1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Hey, guys at Helms here, I'm so glad to be 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: back for season four of Snaffo. Real quick before we 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: start this season, we're tackling even more snaffoos than ever before. 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: How are we doing that? Well, it's one new Snaffo 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: per episode, to be precise, and we're doing it along 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: with some of the funniest and or most interesting people 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: I know in a new weekly format, and you can 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: also watch it on YouTube. You are not gonna want 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: to miss what we've got in store, so stay tuned. 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: Here's episode one. Now. 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: I know why they call it broken arrows, because when 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: you say, you know what, we have thirty two broken arrows, 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, if you say we have thirty two 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: lost nuclear weapons, wait, stop. 15 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: Yes, say again. Euphemisms make hard things a lot easier. Hey, 16 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm at Helm's host of Snaffo, a show about history's 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: greatest screw ups. Today I am joined by two of 18 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: my all time favorite humans on the planet, Angela Kinzie 19 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: and Jenna Fisher. Of course, you know them as Angela 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: Martin and Pam Beasley from the office where we spent 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: many years making each other chuckle both on and off camera. 22 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: These days, they co host the wildly beloved Office Ladies podcast, 23 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: where they deep dive into every episode, every single episode 24 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: of the Office with their very own distinct brand of insight, warmth, 25 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: heart and hilarity. Angela and Jenna. I am so psyched 26 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: you're here, Hi, Ed Hi, Yeah, it's so good to 27 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: see you. 28 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: I'm giving jazz hands right now because we've got video going. Yes, 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: I want to jazz it up a little alight here. 30 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: Let me ask abe a very I think, very pressing 31 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: question that all of our listeners and viewers are probably 32 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: wondering right now, which is how much do you miss 33 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: working with me on a daily basis? 34 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 3: Oh? 35 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: My gosh, I miss the office a lot. I mean 36 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: we spend our days. Our job now is watching the 37 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: show and it always just brings up so many memories 38 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: of working together. 39 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: And you know. 40 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 2: How many bloopers there are. Oh yeah, there's so many 41 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: because we would just laugh all day together. That's what 42 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: we did. 43 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: Ed. 44 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 4: I just miss I miss being silly with you, Like 45 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 4: we would. 46 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 5: Get so silly, like I would walk past you and 47 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 5: we would just make up a new noise like peeling by. 48 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god. It's like all the stuff off camera, 49 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: the life experience of that whole time period, which was 50 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: just had this kind of larger umbrella feeling of like, Wow, 51 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: we're all part of something really great and that's like 52 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: super special. But then we're also having these really mundane, 53 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: lovely mode moments on the set, just talking about each 54 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: other's lives and families, and like, I don't know, just 55 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: the little those little quiet moments are sitting at our 56 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: trailers like waiting for a camera setup or it's like that. 57 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: That's I think something that like fans don't always understand 58 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: is that like our experience of making the show is 59 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: actually this whole tapestry of mundane small moments of just 60 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: experiencing each other. 61 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: I mean it's an intimacy, yeah, you know, of togetherness, 62 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: of constant togetherness. 63 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 64 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: And I think if I could go back and relive 65 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: a moment, like if you know, I got a genie 66 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: in a bottle and I could use a wish, it 67 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: would be to go back and shoot a conference room 68 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: scene all day, because when we would see those on 69 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: the script or on the call sheet and we would 70 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: be like, oh god, we have in the conference room. 71 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 4: Going day all day. 72 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: But those were the days that created the moments you 73 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: were talking about Ed totally, those little laughs, the shares, 74 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: the sweatiness together, all of it. 75 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 5: And because we weren't on a huge lot, you know, 76 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 5: there was no distraction. 77 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 4: You know, people didn't walk off to a commissary. 78 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 5: We were just all in this little bubble, this tiny 79 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 5: space where we got to be creative together. It kind 80 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 5: of reminded me a little bit of that energy you 81 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 5: have in your early days with your improv group or 82 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 5: your one act play. Because there was no one else, 83 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 5: there was no shiny object to go off and look at. 84 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 5: It was just us, Like, yeah, I loved it when 85 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 5: you would play your banjo and Creed would bring in 86 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 5: his guitar and we'd hang out in the parking lot. 87 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 3: You know. 88 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's funny you bring up those conference from 89 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: scenes because those were particularly special because most of the 90 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: time we're not all together, right, most of the time 91 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: we're just doing little scenes with like one or two 92 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: other characters, and and that's that's the bulk of our work. 93 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 1: But then the table read was always a special moment. 94 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: Every Tuesday morning was a table read of next week's 95 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: script and or two weeks I forget the timing, but 96 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: then it was one week, there was one week. One week. 97 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: It was less than a week's notice. Yeah, but those 98 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: are the moments. Those and some of those conference room 99 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: scenes were like where everybody's together, like everybody's and those 100 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: had a really special energy, like like a just a 101 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: little buzz to them. And when and like you said, 102 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: when they when they were all day long, that's and 103 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: they get a little dull and they start to slow down. 104 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: Everybody's trying to just hang in there. It's like some 105 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: of the just most human hangout. 106 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: And you had a really unique experience joining the show 107 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: because you actually joined in Stamford, so you didn't start 108 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: off in the dunder Mifflin bullpen of the scrant and 109 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: dunder Mifflin bullpen, and then you came over. What was 110 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: that like for you to kind of like soft launch 111 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: into the show show like you worked with John, you 112 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: worked with Rashida, you worked with Chip. 113 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, well sorry, Jenna, I'll be asking the questions today. 114 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: We were doing No. I love the question. I always 115 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: tell people like that was such a gentle entry for 116 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: us because of exactly what you're saying, Like, you know, 117 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: Rashida and I started at a time when the show 118 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: was hot. It was season three, and and you guys 119 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: had already just kind of like created this incredible thing, 120 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: and so we were intimidated but also felt kind of 121 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: so warmly welcomed, both by the writers and and all 122 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: of you. Everyone's energy was so lovely. That's so sweet. 123 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: It really could have gone the other way. I'm sure 124 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: a lot of other shows there's like more it's more cutthroat, 125 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: or it feels more like the new people like let's 126 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: let them, they have to prove themselves. But I just 127 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: felt so like all of my butterflies and anxiety just 128 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: washed out so quickly because everyone, all of you were 129 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: so lovely right out of the gate, and which is 130 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: a testament to all of you and the vibe that 131 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: got created. 132 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: It was collaborative. It was not competitive totally. There was 133 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: not like a weird like ego competitiveness going on on 134 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: that set, which was so great. 135 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 5: Absolutely, Yeah, it was always you know, we always say 136 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 5: it was a real creative collaboration. From the writer's room 137 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 5: to the crew to the cast, we're all working together 138 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 5: to create a product that we were proud of. And 139 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 5: I think, I mean, I think you feel that when 140 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 5: you watch it, and I think that's why people keep 141 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 5: enjoying it is you're seeing a group of people having 142 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 5: a great time. 143 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: There's a warmth there that's real, and I think that 144 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: comes through the camera. All right, Well, first, this is 145 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: something I ask all of my guests. Is there a 146 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: moment in your own life, a mishap, a misunderstanding, a 147 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: full blown meltdown that would qualify as a snapo. 148 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 4: I when I have one that immediately comes to mind, 149 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 4: what is it? 150 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: Lady? 151 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 5: I had just moved from Indonesia to Dallas, Texas in 152 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 5: the eighties, okay, nineteen eighty four. I had lived in 153 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 5: Jakarta for twelve years. I didn't know what the heck 154 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 5: an American high school vibe was. And I was also 155 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 5: a grade ahead and half my subjects. So I would 156 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 5: go to the junior high for the first four classes. 157 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 4: That my mom would pick me up. 158 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 5: I'd eat lunch in the car driving to the high school. 159 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 5: And I was like, this tiny little thing and this 160 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 5: big high school. I was such an outsider and I 161 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 5: really wanted. 162 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 4: To fit in. And I'm a freshman who's moved from Indonesia, 163 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 4: who doesn't know like I'm supposed to get a perm 164 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 4: and wear a bunch of eyeliner. I don't know that. 165 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Texas has a real, real specific high school vibe, 166 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: especially in the eighties. 167 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, eighties Dallas, that's a vibe. 168 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 5: Okay, First class of the day, English class. Super hot 169 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 5: dude behind me, like athletic dude. And I'm at my 170 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 5: desk and my pencil on the desk rolls off to 171 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 5: the right on the ground. I lean over to get it. 172 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 5: I don't calibrate my weight versus the wrap around desk weight. 173 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 5: The whole thing flipped over on me, pinned me to 174 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 5: the ground with my feet a kimbo. And the hottie 175 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 5: dude behind me's like, oh my gosh, go up, And 176 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 5: they were like your arm and I'm like, oh fine, 177 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 5: I'm fine. 178 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm fine, and my arm. 179 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 4: I thought I broke my arm. 180 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 2: Does this story end with the hottie asking you out? 181 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: Because you've also just described like every meat cute and 182 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: a teen movie from the eighties. 183 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you right now those meat cutes 184 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 4: are a lie. 185 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: All right, I do so. 186 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 2: It's it's not a school uh snafu, but it's a 187 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 2: teenage snapo. I had a big crush on one of 188 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: the guys who lived in my neighborhood, and I kind 189 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: of wanted to like just impress him, you know, like 190 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: in that way where you want to peacock a little, 191 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 2: maybe catch their eyes. So I had gotten this like 192 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: new a spree top. Do you remember a spree I 193 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: loved okay, yeah, and loved very proud of it. And 194 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: I had like this special like matching ribbon for my hair. 195 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: So I put this on. And my my idea was 196 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 2: that I'd go out and get the mail so it 197 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: would be a reason for me to like walk out. 198 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: So I timed it out. I like sat and like 199 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: watched him arrive home. And I proudly walked out in 200 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: my spree top and I went, I looked in the 201 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: mailbox like, oh, there's nothing there, but you know, I'm 202 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: really looking as if you know, it's okay, and he is. 203 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 2: He is watching me right like it's I caught his eye. 204 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: I get inside. My mom says, what are you doing? 205 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 2: And I said, oh, nothing, I was just I was 206 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: just going to get the mail. And she said, sweetie, 207 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: you're not wearing any pants. 208 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, that's right, what that's right? I forgot. 209 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: I was so into my spree top that I forgot 210 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: to put on the bottoms of the outfit, y'all. 211 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: Like any bottoms. 212 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: I mean I had on like on these, but I 213 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 2: didn't have on pants on this like long. It was 214 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: not like an Oxford shirt, you know, so it hung 215 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: down even past my underwear. 216 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: Oh this is. 217 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 5: No. 218 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: I was like, I was like Tom Cruise in Risky Business, 219 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: just walking out in my big Oxford with no pants on. 220 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: And then I hid in my house for the next 221 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: four years and never spoke to him again. Oh boy, 222 00:11:59,040 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: that was so embarrassed. 223 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: Those are some major snaffoos, you guys. That's uh, that's 224 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's big stuff. This one might be bigger, 225 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: I hope. So Angela and Jenna, are you ready to 226 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: dive into today's snaffoo. 227 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 5: I'm so excited, so excited, having a sip of my 228 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 5: iced TM right, get ready to get your bad. 229 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: I love a snaffoo, I love you. I love this pod. 230 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: So three of my favorite things are about to happen 231 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 2: all at once, and I love Angela might bfs four things. 232 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: Just an abundance of riches. 233 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 4: Right here it is. 234 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: Today Snaffo takes us aboard the uss Taekwonderoga, a massive 235 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: aircraft carrier stationed off the coast of Japan in nineteen 236 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: sixty five. This thing was built like it was auditioning 237 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: for a Cold War action movie. Tough exterior fighter jets everywhere, 238 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: total mid century badass picture of Don Draper and Maverick 239 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: from Top Gun had a baby and the baby was 240 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: a boat and it like chain smoked all the time, 241 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: Like that's what this, That's what this aircraft carrier was like, 242 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: pure American military swagger. Unfortunately that swagger was about to 243 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: trip into a colossal face plant. So what happened was 244 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: what is what is known in military circles as a 245 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: broken arrow incident. Do either of you know what that 246 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: term means. 247 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 4: There was a movie called Broken. 248 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: Erow, Yes there was. Do you know what the movie 249 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: was about? It might get it might help. Okay. 250 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 4: I feel like a guy jumped off the train. 251 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: Maybe that happened in that movie. But a broken arrow 252 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: incident is that's when we lose a nuclear device. Oh 253 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: my god, has happened? Clear device was on the train. Yeah, okay, yeah. 254 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: Okay, whatever, let go, let it go. And I feel 255 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 3: like John Travolta was in that movie. I can't remember 256 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 3: anything else about it. But anyway, the term broken arrow 257 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 3: that refers to any time we lose a nuclear missile 258 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: or a bomb or device of some sort and it happens. 259 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 3: It has happened throughout history numerous like way more than 260 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 3: you want. 261 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 5: To know, I mean, enough times they had to have 262 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 5: a code name for it. 263 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: Well, losing a nuclear weapon sounds completely insane, and it is. 264 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: But part of why I wanted to bring this story 265 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: to you guys in particular, is that it has kind 266 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: of a familiar flavor. Clashing personalities, baffling miscommunication, questionable leadership choices. Basically, 267 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: this is a classic workplace comedy, except. 268 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 4: That Michael Scott was in charge. 269 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And instead of cubicles were on one thousand 270 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: foot warship in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Instead 271 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: of paper jams, we're dealing with hydrogen bombs. On December fifth, 272 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five, just off the coast of Japan's Reyuku Islands, 273 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: US naval officers were running through a routine training exercise 274 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: called the crew cut on the USS taekwonder Roga. An 275 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: A four E Skyhawk, an attack fighter jet, was being 276 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: wheeled into the elevator to be taken up to the 277 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: flight deck, so quick pause, Are you guys nervous flyers? 278 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: I am not, but I will say that for some reason, 279 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: the idea of landing or taking off on an aircraft 280 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: carrier scares the Bejesus out of me. It's like, I 281 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: don't know if it's the tiny runway or just the 282 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: fact that it's surrounded by water, or that it's constantly moving, 283 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: or that there's like thirty people on deck just casually 284 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: waving around glow sticks like it's a rave for fighter jets. 285 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: This is very unchill vibes for me. 286 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 5: Also, like with the short runway, don't they have like 287 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 5: a like a cable that catches the plane and jerks 288 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 5: it back. 289 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 4: I mean, if you need a cable to catch your 290 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 4: plane on a landing, I don't. 291 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: Know what if you missed the cable. 292 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: I got invited to do something like that. There was 293 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: like they invited me to be like in a cockpit 294 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 2: for like a special flying mission thing oo, and I 295 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: was like, I don't need to read anymore. Like this 296 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: is not going to go well for anyone. You're just 297 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: gonna have a lady throwing. 298 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: Up on everyone for this crew cut exercise. The pilot 299 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Douglas Webster was simply supposed to take off, fly 300 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: around for a bit, and then land again, a routine 301 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: drill to practice loading and unloading cargo. But almost immediately 302 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: things went off the rails. As the Skyhawk was being 303 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: positioned on the elevator, it suddenly began rolling backward. The 304 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: crew on the deck started waving frantically, shouting for Webster 305 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: to hit the brakes. A few even ran behind the 306 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: aircraft trying to stop it from rolling. Heroic but not 307 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: exactly realistic. The Skyhawk was one of the Navy's lighter planes, 308 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: but it still had a take off weight of twenty 309 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: four thousand, five hundred pounds, so this was not a 310 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: rogue shopping cart. This is like a tank with wings, basically. Somehow, 311 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: Webster didn't catch on to all the chaos going on 312 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 1: around him, and in a split second, the Skyhawk rolled 313 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: off the side of the carrier, tore through the safety netting, 314 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: and vanished into the ocean. Uh what would you do 315 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: if you're a crew member on this flight deck and 316 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: you're just like standing there watching. 317 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 5: This expletives some cursing who's getting fired? Someone's getting fired? 318 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure I would be like, we got to 319 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: tell somebody. 320 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: Have you ever gone to sit down on the toilet 321 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: and your phone's in your pocket and then it falls 322 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: in the toilet? 323 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, version of that. That's never happened to me. 324 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: Thank god, that's never You've never dropped your phone in 325 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: the toilet. No, I never have. 326 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I've done this before. I've never dropped 327 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 2: your phone in a swimming pool or something in a 328 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 2: pool of water. 329 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: But that's different than okay, but every time I go 330 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: into an airport bath like the urinals and an airport, 331 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm just like, I pocket my phone for that exact reason. 332 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: I'm so terrible because if like my phone goes into 333 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: like a public urinal, it's staying there like no, I 334 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: ain't getting it out. It is done, goodbye phone. I 335 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: wonder if if it was, because like when it when 336 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: it falls into the ocean, like it's gone, like it 337 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: ain't you can't see anything. And I just wonder if 338 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: it went through anyone's head to just pull one of 339 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: those like like the the crew on the deck is like, 340 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: where's the plane. Somebody's like what plane? What plane? There 341 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: was no plane. I don't know, there was no plane. 342 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's other planes, but there was no 343 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: plane here here. 344 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 4: Here's the other play. How dare you the confidence? 345 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: You just got to come in with like full the 346 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: confident rebuttal what how dare you? There was a plane 347 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: here two minutes ago? 348 00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: No? 349 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: There? What what I would know? I was to stop. 350 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: So the crew sprang into action, calling nearby ships to 351 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: launch a full search and rescue operation. But it wasn't 352 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: just about finding the beloved Lieutenant Douglas Webster, who was 353 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: still inside the plane. As it's sang, there was, Yeah, 354 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: there's a guy in the plane. 355 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 4: We didn't he was still in the plane, in the plane. 356 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: Thought he was Oh oh no, yeah, oh no, I 357 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: know spoiler alert. He did not make it. Oh he 358 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: was not recovered. That's terrible. 359 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 2: Is he the only was he the only crew member 360 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 2: in the person in the plane. 361 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: Yes, he's the only one who perished. There was also 362 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: something else on board, a one megaton nuclear bomb. Yeah. 363 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: For reference, that's seventy times more powerful than the bomb 364 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: dropped on Hiroshima, which, to put it in under Mifflin terms, 365 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: is like someone misplacing a really important post it note. 366 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: If that post it note could also vaporize the city. 367 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 5: So this whole enormous plane with the super duper nuke 368 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 5: and this poor man just go over the edge. 369 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:19,239 Speaker 1: Yes, they just go right over the edge. And I 370 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: love the term you just said super duper nuke. It 371 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: feels like it. I think that. I believe that's the 372 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: technical s. Yeah, do you guys load the super duper nuke? Oh? Yeah, 373 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: that's ready to go. So a frantic search followed, but tragically, 374 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: neither the pilot nor the aircraft was ever recovered. The 375 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: only thing they found was his helmet, bobbing alone on 376 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: the surface of the ocean, which really sends chills down 377 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 1: your spine. So here's the thing. This was not just 378 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: a casual cruise that the Taekwonder Rogo was on. It 379 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: had just wrapped up combat duty in Vietnam and was 380 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: en route to Japan for some much needed rest and refueling. 381 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: And that's when the inevitable cover up begins. So let's 382 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: break down the optics for a second. The US aircraft 383 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: carrier fresh for war accidentally drops a nuclear bomb just 384 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: off the coast of Japan, a country with let's say, 385 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: a very specific set of feelings about nuclear bombs. This 386 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: is Again, it's nineteen sixty five, so not too much 387 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: time has passed. Oh and just for some added detail, 388 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 1: we had signed a treaty promising we wouldn't bring nukes 389 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: anywhere near Japanese shore. So yeah, this was not going 390 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: to go over. 391 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 5: Well, was the ship more than two hundred nautical miles 392 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 5: off the coastline of Japan? 393 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 2: Oh? 394 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 1: My god, who are you? What kind of is a 395 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: very specific question. 396 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 4: Well, I had just read that. 397 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 5: I just read that every country is responsible and has 398 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 5: ownership of the first two hundred nautical miles off their shoreline. 399 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 5: So if this was within Japan's two hundred nautical miles, 400 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 5: that is a very big breach because you're not an 401 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 5: open ocean. 402 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it was well within Japanese jurisdiction. It 403 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: was a very bad look, and so, of course, to 404 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: avoid the bad look, the Navy tried to cover it up. 405 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: They zipped it up, tight lipped. But as we all know, 406 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: military secrets have a way of slinking into the public zeitgeist. Eventually, 407 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: you guys, are you guys good secret keepers? Are you trustworthy? 408 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: It up? Walk it up? Yeah? 409 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: But not, this is not a secret I could keep. Yeah, 410 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 2: I would be a whistleblower. I'm good at keeping your 411 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 2: secrets or Angela's secrets, or friends and family secrets, my 412 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 2: own secrets, but. 413 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm not going to keep. 414 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: Your we lost a nuclear weapon in the ocean secret 415 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: for you if you're the military, like I'm going to 416 00:22:55,480 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: be the lady who is writing a report on that. 417 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: The Navy was spectacularly or perhaps frighteningly able to conceal 418 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: this incident for over fifteen years. It wasn't until nineteen 419 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: eighty one that the Pentagon disclosed the incident. The Washington 420 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: Post reported about it in a mere three sentences buried 421 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: in a nuclear accidents report. However, the folks at the 422 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: Pentagon also did not bother explaining the details of where 423 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: exactly the bomb was. They first stated that the bomb 424 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: was more than five hundred miles from land, vague much. 425 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: They also assured everyone that the bomb posed no danger 426 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: since it was sixteen thousand feet underwater. But in nineteen 427 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: eighty nine, the environmental group green Peace, alongside naval expert 428 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: William Arkin, exposed more naval documents revealing that the bomb 429 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: was dropped only seventy miles off the coast of the 430 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: Ryuku islands as a posed to the five hundred they 431 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: had said before. They also pointed out that this incident 432 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: violated Japan's strict anti nuclear policies and exposed some serious 433 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: Navy secrets about nuclear weapons in Vietnam. With no other choice, 434 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: the Pentagon finally admitted the whole truth about this gigantic 435 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: snafu in a statement that same year, in nineteen eighty nine. 436 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 2: Did this create a diplomatic issue for the United States 437 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: and the Japanese government? 438 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, in nineteen eighty nine. 439 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. It feels like these international incidents are 440 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: there's always some measure of just sort of posturing of 441 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: like we have to respond this way because protocol demands 442 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: it of us, and so we must make these statements, 443 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: and we must say these things, and we must say 444 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: that we're outraged, and then the US must respond with 445 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: their diplomatic explanation and acceptance of responsibility. It's like it's 446 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: so choreographed, all these things. It's very wild how it 447 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: all were out. And then I always wonder, like does 448 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: anyone actually take this personally? If like Japan is expressing outrage, 449 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: Like how dare they? Is there any like Japanese official 450 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: who's like genuinely pissed, like at a personal level, or 451 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: is it just sort of like grand institutional emotion. 452 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 4: I'm also curious what happens to a nuclear a super. 453 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: Dupe nuke, super duper nuke, a. 454 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 5: Super duper nuke. Does it get pressurized? How deep was 455 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 5: the water seventy miles off? 456 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: This is a great question, and Greenpeace had a lot 457 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: to say about this, Okay, So when the Pentagon admitted 458 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: this in nineteen eighty nine, they were actually responding to 459 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: an article in Newsweek, and then Japanese papers picked up 460 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: the story, which of course caused quite a stir throughout 461 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: Japan itself. Rightfully so, though the Pentagon confirmed that the 462 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: bomb would not be harmful, it hadn't been armed, and 463 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: you have to go through a whole bevy of procedural 464 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: elements to actually arm it. It was still sixteen thousand 465 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: feet underwater decaying, which meant it might eventually break down 466 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: and start to emit serious pollutants. Yet US spokespersons claimed 467 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: this wouldn't cause any harm to the natural world. Either way, 468 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: it was safe to say they were in the hot seat, 469 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: at least as hot as the nuclear material inside that bomb. 470 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: Shall we say so. While many were rightfully mad about 471 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: the big KerPlunk more or outraged because in fact the 472 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: ship shouldn't have had the bomb on it in the 473 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: first place. Yes, at the time of the incident, Japan 474 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: had a ban on nuclear weapons, and there was apparently 475 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 1: an unspoken agreement between the two world powers. Japanese officials 476 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: would intentionally not ask the US ships what they were carrying, 477 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: and the US wouldn't volunteer any info either. It was 478 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: one of those sort of like don't ask, don't tell 479 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: kinds of situations. So what happened exactly? The incident fueled 480 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: further questions about the use of nuclear weaponry and US 481 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: combat via diplomatic inquiry from Japan. It also called into 482 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: question how we adhere to certain protocols and standards for safety, 483 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: especially when it involves high powered weapons and moving planes 484 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: around aircraft carriers. Plus, you know, it solidified the long 485 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,959 Speaker 1: standing tradition of lying to the American public. Since nineteen 486 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: fifty there have somehow been a whopping thirty two broken 487 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: arrow incidents. This includes theft wait wait yeah, raising one. 488 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 4: Thirty two, Super Dupe Nookes. 489 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: Super Gone, super Duper Knookers thirty two nuclear weapons. 490 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 4: Oi Oi. 491 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: Now I know why they call it broken arrows, because 492 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,719 Speaker 2: when you say, you know what, we have thirty two 493 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 2: broken arrows, you're like, oh, if you say we have 494 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 2: thirty two lost nuclear weapons? 495 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: Wait stop, what say again? Euphemisms make hard things a 496 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: lot easier? Oh man, yeah, yeah, yeah, thirty two. 497 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 4: That's why Greg called all of our talking heads candy bags. 498 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: You know, I forgot that. 499 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 5: He said that he all always felt bad giving us 500 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 5: pages and pages of extra monologues, so he was like, 501 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 5: I'll name them something fun, So we named them candy bags. 502 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: I loved those. I loved doing those talking heads and 503 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: like coming up with like new rifts and like the 504 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: candy bag alts, like all the different versions of our 505 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: talking heads, Like just it was like getting a window 506 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: into the writer's brains. I just remember loving the math 507 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: of those jokes and like always trying to think about 508 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: how to heighten them and they'd have to kick me 509 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: out of those talking heads. 510 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: But to your point, naming all the extra work a 511 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 2: candy bag, it's a trick, definitely made it go down easier. 512 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: And also calling all our screw ups bloopers makes them 513 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: sound fun too, Like, Oh that was a blooper, Like, 514 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: that's just a broken arrow. I mean even the word 515 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: snaffoo is kind of fun. 516 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: Snaffoooo guys, it's just a snaffoos see whoopsie boozy. 517 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 518 00:28:54,040 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: So these thirty two broken arrow incidents include theft, accidental debt, nation, 519 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: and just straight up loss like the one that rolled 520 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: off the back of the tekonder Roga. 521 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know like which one bothers me the most. 522 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's that we lost some that 523 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 2: they were stolen or accidentally detonated, like they're all three 524 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 2: of those. 525 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: I don't know which ones worse. I feel like theft 526 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: is the scariest. Theft, Yeah I do too. But the 527 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: next time you're feeling clumsy for dropping something, just remember 528 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: that the US Navy dropped an entire hydrogen bomb into 529 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: the ocean and then kicked sand over it for fifteen 530 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: years and they got away with it. So the lesson here, 531 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: guys is lie, if you mess up, lie about it, 532 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: because then fifteen years will go by. That's the lesson, 533 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: that's the take away, and fifteen years will go by, 534 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: and then it's like nobody really gets in trouble. There's 535 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of saber rattling and like people get 536 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: like the like governments get mad and exchange sort of 537 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: diplomatic you know, zingers at each other, but it's not 538 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: really like a thing. So yeah, I guess that's the lesson. 539 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: Do you think there are any other valuable lessons here? Guys? 540 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 5: I think there's a second part to that. It would 541 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 5: be lie plus time, give it time. 542 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: Lie for a long with your life. What you're saying 543 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: is hold your lives deep inside of you for for 544 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: a really long time. Hold those secrets, not other people's secrets, 545 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: your secrets, Hold them deep, let them devour you from 546 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: the inside. Such a positive message, I know, But in 547 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: all serious is there any like positive takeaway here? Like, 548 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: is there is there a way to frame this or 549 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: look at this that gives us a good lesson? Yeah? 550 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, greenpeace, Amen, thank you. I love it. 551 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: Way to stand for something and hold people accountable. Like, 552 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: thank goodness you're around, because maybe we would have never known, 553 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: right because they seem like they were really sounding the 554 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: alarm on this. 555 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: Yep, they were pissed, yeah about all this stuff. 556 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, we were pissed. They were not going to let 557 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: this just be swept under the rug. 558 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: It is hard to believe, Like, despite what the Pentagon said, 559 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: It's like, it's hard to believe that a nuclear missile 560 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: just decaying on the bottom of the ocean is like 561 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: completely harmless. It's kind of hard to believe. It doesn't 562 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: make any logical sense. 563 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 5: I mean, what is that going to do to the 564 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 5: ocean and the ecosystem around it. 565 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: It's probably gonna kill a couple of starfish. 566 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 5: It's going to take out a few coral reefs. I 567 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,719 Speaker 5: would also say that what is leaking there. I'm not 568 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 5: saying it's this one nuke, but there are all these 569 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 5: studies about what's in our fish. 570 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: There's like all kinds of scary heavy metals in the fish. 571 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: I mean, would you take a dirty penny and put 572 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: it in a glass of water and let it sit 573 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 2: overnight and then drink that glass of water the next day? 574 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: You wouldn't? You wouldn't. 575 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: I mean, come on, it's doing something down there for sure. 576 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: Can I just bring us back, bring us back. 577 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 4: Our little callback here. 578 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 5: I think instead of broke instead of broken arrow, they 579 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 5: should be called a dirty penny, Thank you. 580 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: Gel, I like you got some dirty pennies to account for, 581 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: you guys. Yeah, that's right. Now, tell me what you 582 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: guys are up to and what we need to look 583 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: out for you. What's next on Office, Ladies? How many 584 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: episodes have you done and how many are left? 585 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 2: By the way, Well, we have watched every episode of 586 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: the Office, and we have given you all the behind 587 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 2: the scenes details and trivia that we have collected from 588 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 2: cast and crew members for every single episode. And we 589 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: still have new episodes coming out every Wednesday. 590 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: Amazing. 591 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 5: We have our whole Office rewatch library that is playing 592 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 5: on and on Wednesdays. We have all new material, all 593 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 5: new fun stuff, diving deeper into the world of the 594 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 5: Office and our best friendship. It's super fun. Come hang 595 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 5: out with us. 596 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love to you kidding me, Jenna, Tell them 597 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: about your playte tell me about your play. 598 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 2: I am doing a play at the Goodman Theater in 599 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 2: Chicago called Ashland Avenue. It's a world premiere written by 600 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 2: Lee Kirk. 601 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: You might have heard of it. 602 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, my husband married to the writer. 603 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: No big one. 604 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: That's sooch and starts previews on September sixth, and it 605 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,959 Speaker 2: opens on September fifteenth, And you can get tickets at 606 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 2: Goodmantheater dot org. I'm really excited. This will be my 607 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 2: first time back on stage in about eight years, and 608 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 2: you know, theater is my first love, so I'm really excited. 609 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: That is so cool, Jenna, I'm so excited for you 610 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: and Lee. That is just awesome. Thank you. 611 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 2: And this is the Goodman Theater's one hundredth year, so 612 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 2: this is their centennial season and we'll be kicking it. 613 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: Off with Ashland Avenue. No big deal. 614 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 2: No big deal though, And Angella Angela's got some fun 615 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 2: news as well. 616 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 4: I do. So you know ed. 617 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 5: My husband's a chef and a baker and he's self 618 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 5: taught and he's really big about getting the family in 619 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 5: the kitchen and cooking together and baking together, and that 620 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 5: the kitchen is the heart of our home. 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I'm excited to 630 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: tell you about my book coming out in another year 631 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: called Supernooper Noker not true. Hey, you guys are the 632 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: best and I am just so so high happy to 633 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: see you and hang out with you a little bit. 634 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 1: Every time I get a chance to see you. It's 635 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: just the best. Thanks for coming on. Ah, Thanks you 636 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: You're awesome. We love you. Snappho is a production of 637 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: iHeart Podcasts and Snapoo Media, a partnership between Film Nation 638 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: Entertainment and Pacific Electric Picture Company. Our post production studio 639 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 1: is Gilded Audio. 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