WEBVTT - Why does music provoke emotion? 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.920 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:07.480 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:16.360 from house Stuff Works dot com? Hey, and welcome to 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.280 the podcast. I'm Josh Clark and with me as always 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:25.120 as Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Uh And this is stuff 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:30.440 you should know the podcast, the Audio Cheesecake Podcast. So 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:32.880 mad at that guy? Oh? Really? Yeah, we'll talk about 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:35.720 him in a minute. It will all become clear. Okay. 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.199 I just took my tooth out for I'm getting the 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:42.360 new one tomorrow finally. Congratulations, Thank god? Are you getting 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:47.160 it after we record? Yeah? So two more episodes will 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:52.800 feature hill Billy Chuck. It's been along, it's been like 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.400 over six or seven months now. I just look back 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.720 at Christmas photos and I had not too. I didn't 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:01.040 realize it was like last year and it almost all 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:09.000 against hill Billy. That's really derogatory, you realize, No, I 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:16.800 love Hillbillies. Okay, Chuck, uh I, I have a revelation 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.600 for you. All right, let's hear it. So. Um. You know, 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:24.160 when you hear music and you look at art, if 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.320 you don't hate art, and you look at it, ah, 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.960 and you you start to feel an emotion, or maybe 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:35.280 a memory is released, or or just just something happens 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:39.520 to you, a change kind of comes over you. What 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:44.920 you're doing is experiencing an emotion that was I guess 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.880 created and encapsulated in a work of art, whether it's 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:53.720 music or something visual or and it was put in 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:55.880 there by the artist for you to come along and 0:01:56.000 --> 0:02:01.440 unlock and then bam, you're feeling some sort of emotion 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:06.800 or whatever. That is possibly the most astounding thing that 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:10.240 humanity has ever figured out how to do. Agreed, Like, 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.000 think about it. It's like when when you're interacting with art, 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.519 you are, in a way interacting with the artist, and 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:21.160 the art is the intermediary. But if you so, you 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.720 kind of understand it on that level. But imagine if 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:27.120 you're you're an alien, an emotionless alien that came down 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.000 and observed this just kind of off to the side. 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.360 It doesn't it makes zero sense whatsoever. This painting is 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:39.400 just the work on canvas, its color and brushstrokes, and yeah, 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.400 but it's it is. If you look at it on 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.840 a on a much more important level, it is a 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:49.640 capsule of emotion and memory. Agreed, And I agree that 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:54.760 that's like astounding when you think about musical notes, like 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:58.760 there's a code inside them almost that taps into these emotions. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:04.560 And I'm already upset because we don't quite know why 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.760 and like why it differs from person to person, and 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.760 it's like I don't think we'll ever know. Yes, you know, 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:13.520 some people can hear something and I think something sounds 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.600 like garbage. Someone else might hear and it might make 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.600 them weep. Okay, I think we do know. I think 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.080 I know, well you should written this article. Well, now 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.640 think about this. I think that we have um certain processes. 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.440 I did write this article smarty pan well one of them. Yes, 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:33.040 So I do think. I think that there's um certain 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.760 processes that our brains are capable of carrying out and 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.480 their emotion based, right, yeah, because think about what our 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:44.640 emotions Chuck. Uh, that's that's one of those hard to 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:48.400 define things there, like what what is the definition? Well, 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.400 it's like it's it's it's some sort of No, Okay, 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:55.080 what's the let me rephrase because that was define is, Chuck? 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.320 What what is the value of an emotion? What's the 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.760 purpose that it serves? Well, I mean some people think 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.800 it from early on it was a means to help 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:10.560 us survive, like fear of the tiger, or contentment with 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.360 the sun on our faces, right, or like around a campfire. 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.640 So okay, I need to stay warm. So you don't 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.000 even have to think that emotion is like your body 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:22.200 thinking for itself in order to survive or achieve its goals. Right. Yeah, 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.040 So our brains are capable of carrying out certain processes 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:32.400 and using things like art and music. It's almost like 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:37.800 exercise for those emotional processes. And when we do this exercise, 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.440 they kind of bulk up, but they bulk up differently 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.320 for different people because we have different experiences. They're all 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.400 along the same lines where you're feeling like things that 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.719 make you happier, things that make you sad, or things 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:55.040 that make you scared. Um, but they're different subjective experiences. 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.560 That's what I think is going on. I agree, especially 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.400 when you throw memory in there, which we'll get you. Uh, well, 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:04.719 let's go ahead and hit this one study then, um Germans, 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.880 the gentleman's conducted. Uh they found uh, the MafA tribes 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.560 people in Cameroon who had not heard Western music before, 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.280 not a second of it, and they thought, well, this 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.840 is perfect let's play some Western music and see if 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.600 they can match, uh, this music to like an emotion 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.800 like happy or sad. And they did, right, And by 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:29.480 Western music we mean pancho music. I'll bancho. Um. There 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:31.200 was another part of that study I thought was even 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:35.880 more interesting, which is they played altered versions of music 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.720 for them as well, with like threw it out of 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.760 rhythm or made dissonant harmonies. And these people that had 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.240 never heard Western music like didn't appreciate that sound very much. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.760 It in hately triggered like when they heard bad harmonies 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.760 or off rhythm beat, They're like, no, right, So if 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:57.520 there's whatever their word for knowing, if there's not something 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:02.279 universal going on, then um, then they shouldn't have noticed. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.000 Then I'll be a monkey's uncle exactly. So that means 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:09.240 two things that that emotion encoded in music is universal, 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.520 and the ability to distinguish like what's right and what's 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.600 wrong in music is universal too. Then that's what it 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.920 would suggest. Yeah to a certain degree, though, But then 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:21.080 you hear people that like don't understand when they're singing 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.000 off key, and I'm like, how can you not hear that? 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:29.480 Remember the tone deafness? One good overlooked episode anyway, I thought, 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:31.600 I think it's all very interesting. So okay, so we've 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:35.280 got this idea that this this is all universal. Um, 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.800 there's that still doesn't explain what's going on, and there's 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.719 there's different schools of thought. Like anytime there's just something 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.240 really big out there that's not explained, a lot of 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.599 people have some competing ideas. And one of the people 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:50.720 with the competing idea who you're apparently mad at, is 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:56.120 Stephen Pinker, who's a good guy, good, great guy. He 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.560 knows how to like he's a linguist, and yet he 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.320 can rise above the fray of like the sniping that 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:06.240 is so characteristic of that field. Yeah, he's got a mullet, 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.440 really Yeah, he's got kind of a curly per mullet 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.800 a little bit. He's a good guy. Okay, you'd like him, 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.520 But I don't like what he says about music. He 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:20.200 famously said music is auditory cheesecake. Um. His his contention 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:24.640 is basically, music is hollow compared to the language that 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.440 it's based on, right or hearing or hearing, And I 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.160 just I just couldn't disagree more. Well, I think he's 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.080 also saying there's different ways of interpreting what he was saying, Um, 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:39.200 there's it was an accident and evolutionary accident. Um or 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:45.600 it's designed. It's something that's designed to exploit an existing sense. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.840 So like cheesecake, our sense of taste. It's like, we 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:54.160 don't really need cheesecake, and but when you're eating it, 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:56.240 you're like, this is really good, and it's designed to 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:58.320 be like I'm gonna take your sense of taste and 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.520 I'm gonna blow the back of your head out. I 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.680 think people need music and art though okay, well pinker 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.960 would probably contend that's not necessarily the case. That's that's 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:12.280 the explanation is that is that he's saying if if 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.640 that's if if music is just designed to assault the 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:20.080 sense of hearing. Um, it triggers emotions because it's specifically 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.760 targeted to do that. Yeah, simple as that. All right, 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.280 So the other guy or there is another guy, Mark 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:32.040 chang Zi uh cognitive scientists. He thinks that music, Uh, 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:36.439 we associate it with movement, and we can pick up 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:41.240 on movement and empathy, or we express and pick up 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:45.440 on empathy and emotion through visual cues of movement from 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.640 other people. Like if somebody's kind of trudging along. You're like, oh, 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.720 that person is sad. Yeah, yeah, and that makes sense 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.320 because um and this was I thought kind of neat. 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.600 Was this the first article yours? Yeah? When when you 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:01.839 google uh musical now and hidden into Google images, it 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.480 like almost everything you see it shows them like flowing 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.480 and flying and there's movement. Yeah, there's very few, like 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.200 just static shots of musical notes on a scale. And 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.560 even if you looked at a musical scale, you know 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.440 it has a flow and up and down and it 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.280 all is very movement based. Right. He also pointed out 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:25.920 to that, um we use terms about movement to describe music, 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.000 like a movement is a part of a smaller of 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:33.280 a larger composition. Um, or we say like music moves us. Um. So, 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:35.679 I think you did a good job in making the 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.080 case that we associate movement in music, But I don't 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.959 think that necessarily proves his point is larger point, that 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.760 that's how it evokes a motion because it's a stand 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.080 in for human movement. Yeah, but I definitely thought it 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:48.719 was worth note. You know, for sure, it's all of 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:50.880 the things. It's like, that's kind of interesting, But what 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.719 have we proven here, right, Well, there's another camp too, 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:57.760 that that um kind of is the opposite of Pinker's 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:02.400 assertion that um they say that no music and art 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.720 or its own things. Yeah, like it it looks like 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.560 this huge blur of of stuff when you put it 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.520 under an m R. I but that that that process 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:17.240 is its own thing and it's not just an offshoot 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.880 of language or hearing. I think I relate to that 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.560 a little bit. I figured you would. So all right, 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.679 let's let's put music on the back runner for a second. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:31.040 Talk about art visual art. Uh. And I'll go ahead 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.120 and say up front that a painting or a photograph 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.680 I can find like extremely beautiful, but it doesn't move 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:43.000 me emotionally like music or a moving image will like 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:47.640 a you know, a movie or a TV show or 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.440 and then you put music and that moving image together, 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:54.000 and for me, that's like the recipe. That's just when 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:57.000 it goes to blan right, So like when at the 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:01.920 beginning of Bananca to start gueeping on exactly. But other people, 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:03.760 you know, look at a painting and like, I'll find 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.839 a painting gorgeous and beautiful, or a photograph, but other 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.200 people look at a painting and weep. Let's say but 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.800 not me. So it all varies from person to person, right. Um. 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:14.959 The thing that that kind of gets me is that 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.400 because it varies from person to person, I think that 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.720 explains why we have such a wide swath of what 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:28.079 we consider art. You know, why there's so many genres 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.320 of music, because something that might get you might not 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:34.000 get somebody else. Yeah, like the you know, the very bare, 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.080 you know, stark art of like the dot in the 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.720 center of a blank canvas. I don't get it. Well, 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.040 the thing is that's that's you can't poop poo it though, 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:49.679 because abstract art basically proves the idea that art is 0:11:49.720 --> 0:11:54.679 an encapsulation of emotion or emotion encoded for each viewer 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.680 to unlock, and it may do nothing for you, but 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:02.319 it may also trigger some of memory, like that someone's 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:06.520 made it. Just the idea that like something beyond like 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.160 people moving and talking and saying lines and they're being 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:14.640 music in the background, unlocking you know, your emotions. The 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.959 fact that just a dot in the middle of a 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:21.160 white canvas can unlock emotions like, that's it at its 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:26.320 most basic essential form, you know, but it's still does 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:32.439 the trick or performance aren't Yeah, you know, uh, So 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.199 one of the theories is that visual art basically simply 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.440 just taps into these learned emotional cues. And whether it's 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.880 ah a conscious thing or it's subconscious, like the color 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:48.200 red for these weird lines that I see, or a Pollock. 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.000 Maybe you know what that might evoke in different people. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.840 It just Franz Klein for some reason, and I don't 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.480 know why. I don't know poll would be the go to. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.120 But I like that you went somewhere else, the lines 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.720 in disarray, it's not nerving. See. One of the biggest 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:03.640 things I have with visual art, with like a painting, 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.319 is when I go see like a Pollock, I'm more 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:10.280 knocked out by being in the presence of the original work. 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.080 Like it looks cool and I love it and it's gorgeous, 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:17.320 But I think about Pollock in his garage, drunk as 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:21.000 a skunk, you know, dribbling the paint everywhere, and like, 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.199 if I could touch it, I would like connect with that. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.520 If you touched it, you would get tackled by security. 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.800 Or anytime I see the original stuff, I think you mean, 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.280 like when I see the original handwritten lyrics at the 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.480 rock on All Hall of Fame, to like the Jimi 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.400 Hendrix song on a piece of notebook paper. I'm like, man, 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.960 his pencil touched that paper and wrote the wind cries 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:45.280 Mary Wham. There's that's definitely an aspect of it as well. 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.079 I agree, I agree. I don't know how. I wonder 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.439 how that changes things though, you know, is that does 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.400 that add to it or is it distracting? Like does 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.440 fame and celebrity distract us from our emotions? Oh that's 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.680 a good question. I think it enhances it for me. Yeah, yeah, 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.560 because when I had like this hero worship of an 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.080 artist and then I meet them or I see their 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.080 like original works, that's what does it for me. But 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:12.600 it could also be an unknown you know. Um. You 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.520 know that's funny though, because I wanted up say that 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.280 you would be you probably wouldn't have been into disco 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.360 then if you're like all about the artist and you know, 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.400 seeing that something created by you know, the individual, I 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.920 wasn't in the disco right. Um. But that also that 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.840 when I was researching this and reading these articles, that 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.160 made me wonder, like, is that a difference, Like there's 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:38.240 a difference between experiencing live music and recorded music? So 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.360 does that was that a distinction between people who are 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:45.720 into disco and people who weren't, an uncomm an unconscious difference, 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.480 although I would argue that the basis in this article 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.800 at least says that the live music thing is about 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.280 being in the same room with people with similar likes, 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:59.160 partially not necessarily, because you can listen to a live 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.600 recording of song and it is like hearing that crowd 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.840 cheers totally different. So maybe it's evoking that. But I'm 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.960 not friends with the people that I can't see on 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:10.840 this recording, you know. Yeah, that's a good point, all right, 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.000 let's get back to it. H uh yeah, the um 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.400 just real quickly. It's also culturally based because you make 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.600 a great point that depending on where you're from, like 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.520 even color can mean something different. Like in Japan, the 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:26.520 color white is associated with death, so melancholy will come out, 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:30.520 whereas black supposedly is in the Western world, something we 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.440 associate with that. So like a snow covered painting like 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:37.200 a Thomas Kincaid would maybe uh, instilled dread in a 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:41.960 Japanese person. That's why he doesn't do very well in Japan. Really. Yeah. Um, 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.080 But then one other thing, Chuck, where the the color 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.440 red those lines and disarray all that those are called 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.600 cognitive antecedents, right right. And you can also make the 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:55.160 case that a change in harmony or pitch or drumming 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.480 or whatever is a cognitive antecedent too, in much the 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:03.760 same way that the composers is changing something, is adding 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.800 something that is taking something away, and that forms a 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:11.240 cognitive antecedent. It's the thing that triggers the emotion. Awesome, 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.920 So should we talk about the brain? Here's where it 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.040 all comes down to science. I knew we were going 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.960 to get to there. At some point, you hear music, 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.600 and well, first of all, they say, it's kind of 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.720 impossible to say, like, you know, we can say we 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.640 have a language center and a center for like movement 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.280 and things like that, but we can't really pinpoint a 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.960 dead center for music in our brain because it's sort 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.920 of all over the place, right, which is kind of awesome, 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.240 I think. But when you first hear a song, let's say, 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:42.880 your frontal lobe is gonna kick in and the temporal 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:47.000 lobe and it's gonna process things like rhythm, pitch, and 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:51.880 melody to kind of get the ball rolling. Um. They 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.080 think it happens in the right hemisphere, but they aren't 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:58.080 quite positive that that's the only place that happens. UM. Personally, 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.280 I think it probably hits the left hand right. It's 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.720 firing all over the place. UM. But it depends on 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.280 a lot of things, Like you said, whether it's live 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:10.639 or recorded, UM, probably whether or not you are a 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.560 professional musician or not, or have any kind of training, 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:16.200 Like you're gonna if you know how to read musical notes. 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.720 When you hear musical note, you're probably going to visualize it. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.000 Whereas like if I hear music like I do not 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:26.800 do that, maybe see colors or um fractals or something, 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.040 depending on whether I'm listening to Pink Floyd or not. 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.760 And then whether or not music has lyrics. If it's 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.480 um as lyrics and you can understand these lyrics, then 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:40.359 you're gonna be processing language through Broca and Wernicke's areas, 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.639 which we've talked about before, Two great areas. What was 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.800 that in We talked a lot about linguists in the 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.359 two areas. There's so many shows. No, man, I have 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.400 such a hard time. It didn't come out very long ago. 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:57.440 I think it was in UH the one on prohibition UH, 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:01.520 and it activates a visual cortex, because you know, when 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.280 you close your eyes and listen to music, you're probably 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.960 gonna visualize something. Well, that would that would lend credence 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.280 to the idea that music is associated with movement. Yeah. Sure, 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.040 as we check movement with our eyes. I see really 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.679 high glossy music videos. When I close my eyes, I 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:20.200 just see money for Nothing over and over and over again. 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:28.600 You see the the day glow in the purple leopards print. Um. 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.639 And it can also trigger the motor cortex, of course, 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.399 because that that's what you start tapping, the hand, tapping 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.560 the feet, bob in the head like in the disco 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.520 episode when he played some of that music. Even though 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:40.920 I don't like that music, it still gets the head 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:44.560 bob and oh it's good music, so you say, and 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.160 activates your motor cort text whether you like it or not. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:51.040 And the Cerebellum, I think is the last one. And 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.920 that's pretty interesting because, um, that means you're like following 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.120 the music and trying to figure out where it's headed 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.520 based on what you've heard before. Yeah, because we love 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:04.480 to keep our ourselves occupied. Sure, Um, that's not the 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.840 last one. There's a medial prefunnal cortex. Yeah, you're right, um. 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:14.000 And that word also is usually pronounced pre frontel um. 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.840 And that one is the one where are that unlocks 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:21.600 our memories? Like the music goes in there as a 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:26.919 key and goes and then all of a sudden you're like, oh, yeah, 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:30.240 what's one of your old old ones? Uh? Hot Blooded? 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.240 What does that gave you? It was I think of 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.440 myself as a little three year old cowboy boots because 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:36.879 that was like the first song I ever knew the 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.000 lyrics too, so I walked around singing hot Blooded. Nice? 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:43.680 How about that? That's pretty good. My big one is um, 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.560 how Deep is Your Love? By the Bgs. It makes 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:48.760 me almost want to cry when I hear it because 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.040 this one day when I was like in the third grade, 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:55.960 that was a bully that was not even picking on me, 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.520 but he just scared the crap out of me on 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.359 the bus one day with his bullying. And I was 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.040 such a little wimpy kid, you know, And I ran 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.400 to my dad's office he was principal, and he wasn't there, 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:09.000 and I was. She was just like, you can wait 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:10.720 for him, and I was like crying, And how Deep 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.159 is Your Love? Was on the on the the Hi 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.600 Fi and Uh, to this day, it just still makes 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.080 me incredibly sad to hear that song. See you like 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.359 this guy, Well, it makes me cry it moves you. 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:24.920 Or like Centerfold by Jake Giles Man that always takes 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:30.159 me to like the skating rink. Yeah immediately, ye good. Um. 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:32.600 So if you want to talk about memory, you should 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.080 go look up. Um have you seen the video on 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:37.720 YouTube I posted about the guy in the nursing home. 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:43.919 I don't follow you on Facebook, jerk. Uh, it's pretty amazing. 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.040 Just go to YouTube and put in man and nursing 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:50.160 home reacts to music. And there was this this old 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:52.959 timer in a nursing home who it showed him before 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:56.400 he listened to anything, and he, you know, it's kinda shaky, 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.480 had a hard time stringing together sentences. And then they 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.600 put these headphones on and played like Cab Calloway and stuff, 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:06.080 and all of a sudden his speech is fluid. Oh dude, 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.760 it's like remarkable and just gut wrenching to see this. Well, 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.719 they were saying that the medial prefrontal cortex is whe 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:16.119 of the last areas to go with alzheimer exactly, So 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.439 you may have trouble with just about everything else, but 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:22.000 music can still unlock memories. That's pretty cool. Yeah, it's awesome. 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.760 It's cognitive vanta stin is uh. And then there was 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:28.040 another study with UM. They studied this woman who had 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:32.280 damaged to her temporal lobe and she couldn't distinguish between 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:35.920 like melodies and things, but she still had the UH 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:37.600 in the in the m r I machine had the 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:41.479 emotional reactions lighting up that you would anticipate with like 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:46.400 quote happy music or sad music. Yeah, pretty amazing. Um. 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:50.159 Again it's like the MafA tribes people. Yeah, so we 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.520 have a pretty good idea that this this that our 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:58.560 brains are being activated these certain regions are right. We've 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.879 seen it in the mr iye that's full of listening 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.440 to music in MR eyes while scientists of studying them 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:08.640 they love that kind of stuff. Um. And so from 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:13.760 that and like that Alzheimer's revelation, we started to realize like, okay, 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:19.600 well maybe we can like artists, um, create music or 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:24.560 art too, um to get you in with the emotions. UM, 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:27.640 maybe we can kind of use this as like a prescription. 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:31.840 And hence music therapy has been born and it's actually 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:44.040 been proven as um what was the UM noun for efficacy? Efficatic? Effective? No, way, 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:48.760 that's a an effect. It's effective. Okay, thanks Chuck, Sure 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:54.919 go ahead, man, something bad just happened to me. Okay. 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:57.680 Well yeah, so music therapy has been born and it's effective. 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:03.480 It's been shown effective, effic had of exactly like uh 0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.920 for instance, Well, they think it grows as we grow 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:11.680 like this, this tie to music and emotion intensifies this 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:15.320 we grow even though they've seen it in little babies. Babies, Yeah, 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:18.440 it starts early, right, Yeah, but like you know, fast 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:20.960 tempos and a major key will tend to make someone 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:23.719 happy and it just you kind of take it for granted, 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:25.919 but like there's stuff going on there to make this happen. 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:30.000 And like minor keys, D minor the saddest of all 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:34.520 keys slow tempo. Is that the Devil's key that's from 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:38.400 spinal tap, but it is it's a very sad key 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:40.719 and minor keys when you hear it, especially as a musician, 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:43.760