1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: On Jason Gibbs alongside and Gribble This is the best 2 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: podcast available, Episode number sixteen. Jeff McDaniel spinning the dials 3 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: behind the little logo there and keeping us on the 4 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: air and putting together a great product in and out 5 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: as we work our way through the Browns off season. 6 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: Coming up on the show today, Brown's rookie defensive tackle 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: Tommy Togi I from the Ohio State University will join us. 8 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: Coming up in just a few minutes, Gribbs. Mandatory Minicamp 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: still on track for the week of June. We're into 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: this next O t A phase though right now, what 11 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: does that mean? I think right now you're in the 12 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: part of the schedule that is supposed to be the 13 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: traditional O T A s however you want to call that. 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams are doing a lot 15 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: of different things that Browns included. UM, So we'll see 16 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: how this evolves over the next couple of weeks. UM. 17 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: But it all builds up to the mandatory mini camp, 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: which is currently scheduled from mid June. Some teams have 19 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: adjusted those dates after negotiations with with players, but uh, 20 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: as far as as we know, it's it's still locked. 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 1: In for that mid June point and that kind of 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: serves as your final bit of football before late July 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: when when the guys get back on the field for 24 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: training camp, and that should look we hope as as 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: normal as as it's ever been. Well, let's get to 26 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, let's hope. So let's let's indeed hope. 27 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: So so that's where we stand. You know, a lot 28 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: of things are happening virtually with this football team. They 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: continue to happen virtually. Good news. We did it a 30 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: year ago virtually and it worked out just fine. We'll 31 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: see how things continue to play out here in the 32 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: coming days and coming weeks as teams work with the 33 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: players to try to figure out some solutions to uh 34 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: to the workouts and some of these other things that 35 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: that I know the players have some concerns about it, 36 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: and frankly, I think the teams have some concerns about 37 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: as well. Most improved position on this team must be 38 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: a position and not a room. Andrew Gribble, So, a 39 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: position but not a room. That is a That is 40 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: a very specific question. So it can't be like the 41 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: defensive line. It can't be linebackers. Yes, And the reason 42 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: why I'm asking the roster pretty close to being set 43 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: in terms of what we're gonna see when training camp 44 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 1: does start. There's gonna be a few moves here and there, 45 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: but for the most part, we know the ninety guys 46 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: that are coming to Maria in late July. Listen, I 47 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: think this one is simple for me, and it only 48 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: took really the injection of one player. But it's really 49 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: a really, really good players. So I'm gonna pick safety, 50 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: and I think that last year, I think it was 51 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: an area where this defense struggled a little bit. I 52 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: don't think you had the consistency you wanted out of 53 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: that position. I don't think that the group made enough 54 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: plays like you want. The kind of safeties are kind 55 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: of your big playmakers, and I just don't think enough 56 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: big plays or made that position. You bring in John Johnson, 57 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: the third, who's one of the best players in the 58 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: NFL at that position, that's in an instant gives you 59 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: some clout there. You bring back an ascending player, and 60 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: Ronnie Harrison, who had a really good year, had a 61 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: couple of injuries that limited him, but you look at 62 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: his history, he usually is on the field for most 63 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: of the season. You expect that next year, and then 64 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: you inject Grant Delpot into that room, which right now 65 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: he's on track to be back for the season. And 66 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you went from a position group 67 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: that with the guys you had last year struggled to 68 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: then hit in the off season where you didn't know 69 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: whoever how many were coming back, and now all of 70 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: a sudden, it's a position that looks pretty set to 71 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: the point where you're now like, how do we get 72 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: three of them on the field when you usually only 73 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: have two? And I think that's a testament to just 74 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: the difference that one guy can make. But John Johnson 75 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: is that guy. I mean, he's he's a He's a 76 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: top bill free agent, a guy that most times would 77 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: not have been a free agent. But the Rams had 78 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: a cap situation, so the Browns benefit and I think 79 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: that room gets a major upgrade because of it. All Right, 80 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: we talk about offense wanting to be run pass. What's 81 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: the way to measure defense? I mean in terms of 82 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 1: you know, defending the past, defending the run. Is it 83 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: fifty fifty, is it's six? Where do you size up 84 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: this defensive room? I mean, this is tough because defense 85 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: has changed so much in the NFL, like with what 86 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: you view as good, like what, and it's it's almost 87 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: like it's hard to like quantify what's going to make 88 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: a good defense because some of the best defenses don't 89 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: rank all that great and all the best categories, but 90 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: they seem to make plays where it matters. And I 91 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: look at a team like Tampa Bay last year that 92 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: just really got better and better as the season went on. 93 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: And I think ultimately in the NFL, if you want 94 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: to be able to win, to win when it matters, 95 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: and really with what the Browns are facing, I think 96 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: you've just got to be among the best at stopping 97 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: the past because I think if you're maybe not as 98 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: great against the run, but you're still winning games, I 99 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: think you can survive. It's just that you can't be 100 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: picked apart through the air anymore. Because I think the 101 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: teams that truly can limit the pass they're put they're 102 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: setting themselves up for great success. And I think that's 103 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: been a point of emphasis this offseason. You look at 104 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: all the moves the Bronze made defensively, it's it. It 105 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: looks like it's geared to slow down teams through the air. 106 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: The Browns are really good at stopping the run last year, 107 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: and I think it paid off in certain situations, I 108 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: think most notably the game against the Titans. But it's 109 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: the it's being able to slow a team down through 110 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: the air that I just think makes all the difference, 111 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: and I think you can do that, it leads to 112 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: more turnovers, which I think the Browns played great defensive 113 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: games when they were able to force turnovers, but the 114 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: games where they didn't force turnovers, the defense was a problem. 115 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: So it's I think if you can consistently stop the 116 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: past week in a week out, you're setting yourselves up 117 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: to to be in position to win ball games. Yeah. 118 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question, and there's it's a 119 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: little worrisome about what you lost on that defensive line, uh, 120 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: knowing the success you had against the run. But you 121 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: have a lot of guys in the back part that 122 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: can really come up and stop the run, and they're 123 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: known as run stoppers, guys that have played well against 124 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: the run that can also play well against the past. 125 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: You have a lot of young defensive linemen, uh that 126 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: I think training camp is gonna be very interesting to see. 127 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about it. On the defensive tackle spot, 128 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: you know who who's going to step forward to replace, 129 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, to to stalwarts from last year's squad. So 130 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to look at. But it's 131 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: always fascinating because we talk about offense and needing to 132 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: be balanced, but what is balanced on defense? What does 133 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: that look like? And what does that really mean? And um, 134 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think you know, this is a 135 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: past happy league, but you still have to be able 136 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: to stop the run when it matters, especially in a 137 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: close game in the fourth quarter. Yeah, and you look 138 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: back at last year. I mean there was one game 139 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: that stands out in particular that the Browns lost that 140 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: because they weren't stopping the run. And that was the 141 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: Raiders game midway through the season because no one was 142 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: throwing the ball well, but the Raiders kept getting first 143 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: downs on the ground and really just dominate time of possession, 144 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: total plays, all that stuff like that. The Ravens games, 145 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: it's always like, we gotta be better at stop in 146 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 1: the run. But who's stopping the run against the Ravens, 147 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: Like it's it's the players you remember against the Ravens 148 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: that that beat you. Those are through the air. Uh, So, 149 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: I think you've just if you improve the area against 150 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: the past and hold your own as a run defense, 151 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: you don't. I don't think you have to be a 152 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: top ten run defense to be a good defense in 153 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: the league anymore, but just be better against the past 154 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: consistently make it difficult for teams to throw the ball 155 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: like much like Tampa Bay made it difficult for Kansas 156 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: City to do what they want to do in the 157 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I mean, I think that's your key to 158 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: success as a defense and really setting up your offense 159 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: for for the best opportunity because you know you feel 160 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: like you're in good hands of your offense. Is getting 161 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: off the field with your defense and usually getting off 162 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: the field on third downs. That means you're stopping the past. Yeah, 163 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: no question about it. A guy that could be counted 164 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: on to shore up that defensive tackle position is Tommy Togi, 165 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: I the defensive tackle autim Ohio State fourth round pick 166 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: by your Cleveland Browns. He had a few minutes coming 167 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: off of the practice field after o t a s. 168 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: He joined Gribble and I have a watch and have 169 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: a listen and here on the Bus podcast available episode 170 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: number sixteen. Jay Andrew Gribble, joined by our fourth round 171 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: draft pick and happy to have him. Tommy togy I 172 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: from the Ohio State University in Town. Still here part 173 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: of practice, a much scaled back practice and o t 174 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: a session. Tommy, appreciate a few minutes of your time. 175 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: What have these asked? Probably a week and a half 176 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: two weeks been like for you since you heard your 177 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: name called on the podium. I mean even I mean 178 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: it kind of just like a wheel of emotions. It's 179 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: kind of like exciting and then also a little bit 180 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: of like nerves and all that kind of hit me. 181 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: I mean, once I got up here to Cleveland, kind 182 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: of all the nerves kind of just went away, and 183 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: then just the excitement kind of kicked in, Like it's here. 184 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: It's the moment I've been waiting for pretty much all 185 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: my life. It's like my dream. So I'm just trying 186 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: to stay in the moment, keep my head down and 187 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: keep working and keep focusing. How unique was that opportunity 188 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: at rookie mini camp when there was really such a 189 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: small amount of guys to work with, and how good 190 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: was that one on one instruction you were able to 191 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: get No I was definitely like an advantage just to 192 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: have I mean, I mean there's only a three other 193 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: belonging besides me that we're working with Coach kiff and 194 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: then so I mean just to take advantage of that 195 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: like one on one time, really getting getting the like 196 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: plays down everything and then really getting technique wise down 197 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: and so that just taking full advantage of that one 198 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: on one time with Coach kiff and coach j G. 199 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: All Right, what do you first impression of Coach Kiffen 200 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: and coach j G. I mean, they're great guys. I mean, 201 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: they loved have fun, but then they also I mean 202 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: they love the coach. They're passionate. I know that I 203 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,599 Speaker 1: could tell, like already from the first day I met them, Like, 204 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: they're very passionate about their jobs and about football. I mean, 205 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: they're proud to be the line coaches and I really, 206 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean I'm glad they're excited to be able to 207 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: be coached by them and learn as much as I 208 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: can from them. And I know you guys get did 209 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: some on field work at the the rookie Mini camp, 210 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: But what was some of the off field stuff that 211 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: that was valuable for for you during that during that 212 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: time period? Yeah, So I mean, yeah, so we've had it. Yeah, 213 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: a lot of virtual meetings so far, especially even before 214 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 1: I got out here. We had a virtual meetings before, 215 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: just one on one time pretty much just getting me 216 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: incorporated to like the playbook and all that philosophy of 217 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: their line room and all that. Talking with Tommy Tody, 218 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: our fourth round draft pick out of the Ohio State 219 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: Universe City. Uh. When you take a look at this defense, 220 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: obviously a lot of new faces, not just from the 221 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: draft class side of things, but through free agency and whatnot. 222 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: Have you gotten a chance to talk to a lot 223 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: of the guys on this football team through the virtual meetings? Yeah, 224 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: just kind of briefly everyone. I mean, introduce myself to 225 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: all those guys that are, yeah, part of the squad 226 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: now are in the d line room and they're kind 227 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: of just going over for me since it can't really 228 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: be in person right now, So just a virtual me. 229 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: And so I haven't met him like really, just kind 230 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: of briefly stuff. Talked to him a little bit. A 231 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: guy like Marvin Wilson. Has he been on your radar 232 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: for a while now? I mean, you guys are both 233 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: highly touted defensive line recruits. Mean is that someone you 234 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: you've known it for a while now, Yeah, so I probably. 235 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: I mean I've heard of I've I've never met him 236 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: like tell like now, but I mean I've always heard 237 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: of Marvin Wilson, and I think a lot of people 238 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: knew him just I mean when he did at Florida 239 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: State and everything. But now I've gone to know him 240 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: a little bit more of these past couple of weeks 241 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: and then in meetings on the field stuff, and we're 242 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: getting to know each other pretty well. You're the three 243 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,239 Speaker 1: or four guys that we're working at Rookie Minicamp. We're 244 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: stunning to watch because we know about what you can do, 245 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: especially you know from a strength standpoint and how you're built. 246 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison's built a little differently, but he's still a 247 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: big guy. You got Malie McDowell, who's in nor might 248 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: be one of the biggest men tall wise and at 249 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: a defensive line position I've ever seen. What's it been 250 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: like working with all all of you guys, and you know, 251 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: have you guys got a chance to have a little 252 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: fun and let loose a little bit to get to 253 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: know each other a little bit better. Man, We kind 254 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: of just getting into each other just because we're kind 255 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: of in like that same boat, Like we're all kind 256 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: of so we kind of help each other out to 257 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: like we're all like trying to study to the place, 258 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: get the place right. We want to eat you, like 259 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: all of us to succeed, So we're always trying to 260 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: help each other out if that we care. And Tommy, 261 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: I know you signed your contract last Friday, and just 262 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: seeing the comments on Instagram and things like that, it 263 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: seems like Browns fans are really excited about you being 264 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: with the team. But the factor that you played at 265 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: Ohio State like just kind of takes it to another level. 266 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: What is it like so far being Cleveland Browns player 267 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: that also played at Ohio State and how those two 268 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: kind of go together? But this is great. I mean 269 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: you can see like yeah, just from that like that 270 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: posts and stuff that was also media, like I could 271 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: feel in love from like Ohio State man still carry 272 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: over to some Cleveland Browns fancing and even if they're 273 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: not cluban Browns man, they're still showing love. I mean, 274 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: just I love the state of Ohio, Columbus, Cleveland. Hard 275 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: to be here talking with Tommy Toby, I fourth round 276 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: draft pick out of the Ohio State University. All right, 277 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: best pizza place in Columbus they said, Columbus. Uh, probably 278 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: the best one I had. It's probably a Criatic cost 279 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: That's probably my favorite. You cannot go wrong with that, 280 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: my friends. Yeah, that's probably my favorite. Clover all right, 281 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: is there a go to? And is there another food? 282 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: Is there another go to that that you enjoy down there? Uh? 283 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: The one the other players? I like, they have it 284 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: here to town Hall, like town Hall lives. So the 285 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: town is a good spot. You should go there a 286 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: lot of Columbus And then now that you know, I'll 287 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: go to the one in Cleveland now so yeah, now 288 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: that was another spot. I'll go to a lot with 289 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: my teammates. So and just kind of building off that 290 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: with the Ohio State thing. I mean, what it's been 291 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: early obviously with your talent the Browns, But what is 292 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: Ohio State doing that's getting so many of these guys 293 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: people like you ready for the NFL? And what kind 294 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: of advantage have you kind of felt having gone to 295 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: a program like that. I think it's just a culture 296 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: over there. Coach Day yet, I mean that's been there 297 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: and then Coach Day still like instill. Uh So, I 298 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: mean the culture is different there than anywhere else in 299 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: the country, strength program, the coaches, and then they recruit 300 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: only like a third type of players. I don't think 301 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: everyone I may can play there, And I think that's 302 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: just kind of the mindset you have to have going 303 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: to Ohio State and it's kind of just culture wise. 304 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: You have to put your head down and get to 305 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: work and you might not play your first year. That's 306 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: like kind of the mindset that they developed you to 307 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: the player you and then once you're ready, I mean 308 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: to enter the draft stuff. And where you are? Was 309 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: that the biggest selling point and come into Ohio State? 310 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: I mean you're on Idaho, You're a highly touted player, 311 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: highly recruited player. What what was the selling point from 312 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: Ohio State side of things? Yeah, So those like a 313 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: couple of things. One was coach Johnson on me, best 314 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: delon coach in the country right there. So I wanted 315 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: to be coached by the best. And also, yeah, like 316 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: they're talking to me and said if you come here, 317 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna get challenged, And that's like one thing I 318 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: wanted to prove to myself. I wanted to be challenge challenged, 319 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: myself to go somewhere, uh, I mean from the West coast, 320 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: go somewhere farther east. Giant challenge myself playing wise, and 321 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: then also like schooling wise and all that. Wanted to 322 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: be challenged to be able to go to a program 323 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: where I knew I was going to get better, you know, 324 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: going back to those times, you know, you obviously we 325 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: were a highly regarded recruit for for years before you 326 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: committed to a hive of state. Was it a tough 327 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: decision for you to kind of make that leap and 328 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: go across the country or was that something you had 329 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: to kind of wrestle with leading up to that decision. Yeah, No, 330 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: it definitely was a tough decision just being I mean, 331 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people underestimate how like 332 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: how much pressure it is, like these high school recruits 333 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: kind of go through. There's like so many coaches trying 334 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: to talk to you every day, and now you just 335 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: feel with that so much pressure. So I mean that's 336 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: kind of ye, just that pressure, but also I mean 337 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: I was excited to be blessed to be able to 338 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: be in that position. But yeah, just kind of going 339 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: back and forth with my family leading on my family 340 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: and praying and all that, and then ultimately, yeah, I 341 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: made the right decision, all right. Your father professional rugby 342 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: player in Samoa, older brother t J. Played defensive tackle 343 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: at Carroll College, and your maternal grandfather football and basketball player. 344 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: Between the four of you, who's the best athlete? I'll 345 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: think right now, I say myself right now. My brother 346 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: always has challenge me here and there with stuff. I mean, 347 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: we have fun with it. We still when we played 348 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: basketball every once in a while, played football like right 349 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: around and everything. We do a lot of stuff my 350 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: family because my family is really competitive, so get to 351 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: have fun with those things. Did you try to play 352 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: rugby at all? Did you want to do that or 353 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: was that even possible? Yeah? So it wasn't really big 354 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: back in Idaho like we play it like when we 355 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: go vissed in my cousins and stuff on my dad's 356 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: side and the family. We we played a couple of 357 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: times and stuff like that, but I didn't really get 358 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: big into it just because yeah, it wasn't really I 359 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: mean popular, yeah where I was from, and there wasn't 360 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: like lead stuff. Talking with Tommy Togi, I fourth round 361 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: draft pick out of the Ohio State university, same high schools, 362 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: Taysom hill Am, I correct on this, Yeah, same, My 363 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: school is tail nine year difference obviously from an age standpoint. 364 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: But he did he come back? Has he come back 365 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: at all when you were there? Or Yeah? So I 366 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,239 Speaker 1: think I only like may him. I think I've met 367 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: him once and and maybe like talk to him twice 368 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: on like a call call or whatever. But yeah, I've 369 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: only met him like once in person. And then just 370 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: what what? What? What about the culture there in Idaho 371 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: kind of helped you get to this point? Was it was? It? Is? It? 372 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: Maybe underrated in terms of a football state or places 373 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: to become a great football player. What do you tell 374 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: me about that? Yeah, I think it is a little 375 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: under right, and just from a football maybe a lot 376 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: of people, I don't know. There's a good athletes all 377 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: over the country. Don't matter in small town, big town, 378 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: big city, don't matter. But I think it's underestimated and 379 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 1: everything like that. But I think you can find players 380 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: here anywhere. All right, we'll get you out of here. 381 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: With this video game standpoint, if you could play Call 382 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: of Duty or Madden, you're stuck out an island. You 383 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: only can pick one video game. What are you picking. 384 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: I'm hearing you're a gamer, so that's why. Yeah, I 385 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: think I have to do a call duty just because 386 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: there's different types of modes I can play with that 387 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: more than Madden will have the even though I mean 388 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: this next year, man, I will be my first time 389 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: being in it, and I would be kind of cool. 390 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: So I mean, be tough decision, but I think I 391 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: have to go a call due because I can still 392 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: on my headset play with my my friends and family 393 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: like that. Tell me really quick, tell me about the 394 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: T shirt you wore when you you signed officially at 395 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: the Browns. I know a lot of people didn't do that. 396 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: It's a dragon ball Z T shirt. It's like dragon 397 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: ball Z Super is that one with that one's like 398 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: basically that series is called. So that was kind of 399 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: I know, it's kind of funny to see like all 400 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: the people that were commented just on my T shirt 401 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: that I wore, So it was kind of cool. And 402 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: you know, Miles is obviously a big fan as well. Yeah, 403 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: I've heard about that's a big anime fan. That's fantastic. 404 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: This has been great. Appreciate it if you if you 405 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: get some downtime, I don't think. Did you go to 406 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: see your point last weekend? No, you must go to 407 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: see your point. Do you like roller coasters? Do you 408 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: like heights? Yeah? And I do like roller coasters. Off 409 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: to check that out, all right, is the roller coast 410 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: capital of the world. You gotta you gotta go in, 411 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: you gotta check that off. You get a little downtime. 412 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: I know it's days are few and far between, but uh, 413 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: and there's some really good pizza places here in town 414 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: as well. We'll get you up to speed on those 415 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: a little bit later. Appreciate a few minutes of your time. 416 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: Good luck with everything, and we hope to talk with 417 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: you again soon. All the best and continued success. Man. Congratulations, 418 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: thank you, thanks for having me. Thanks to Tommy togy 419 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: I for a few minutes of his time. Very busy, 420 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: he's got a lot being thrown at him, a lot 421 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 1: being expected of the young man from the Ohio State University. Gribbs, 422 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: Your takeaways from one Tommy Togi. Yeah, I mean I 423 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: think he it seems he's got a full grasp of 424 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: the situation he's entering. And and you asked earlier about 425 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: what's the most improved position on the roster and outmost safety, clearly, 426 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: defensive tackle is the one that experienced the most change. 427 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: And I think that he is at the center of 428 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: that change. And you wonder what was going through his 429 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: head he gets drafted. He's like, Wow, I'm joining the 430 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: team with only four defensive tackles and then to keep 431 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: adding guys to the him and it's all of a sudden, 432 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: like wow, you know this is gonna I'm not just 433 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: a draft pick that's gonna get on the field. I 434 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: gotta earn my way onto it. And you know he's 435 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: he's experienced that at Ohio State, which I think is 436 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: a good thing that he knows that. You know, you're 437 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: entering a situation where there's a lot of talent around you. 438 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: So but I do think he has an opportunity to 439 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: to play and I think he fits that mold of 440 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: what we were just talking about defensively with you know, 441 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: he can he can do a little bit of both 442 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: as a defensive tackle. He's not just a run stop 443 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: or not just a pass rusher at that position, so 444 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: he could fit them old versatility wise of what this 445 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: team wants at that position. Yeah, it's just and I 446 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: mentioned it to him, but like three different guys, three 447 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: different body types, and Malee McDonell, Tommy togy I, and 448 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: Marvin Wilson, three different guys in the way that they 449 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: suit up and play the game and just fascinating to 450 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: watch them. That those guys were fun to watch at 451 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: rookie minicamp just to see how big they are and 452 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: the different pro which is that they took to everything. 453 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: And it's gonna be fascinating to see how those three 454 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: work out when training camp starts. Yeah, unfortunately for them, 455 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: they got three guys in there they could get a 456 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: little breather between the drills. I mean, they were the 457 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: most crowded bunch out there. I mean I think that 458 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: and that's just gonna be the norm moving forward. But 459 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: you mentioned the body types thing. It seems like when 460 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: you look at this group, the only one that's maybe 461 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: known as a notorious run stuffer, the big, huge, big 462 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: defensive tackle is is a guy like Andrew Billings and 463 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: and we haven't even seen what what he looks like 464 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: now after a year away from football, but definitely a 465 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: shift if you could see in the and what maybe 466 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: the team is looking for at that position. Yeah, we 467 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: thank him for a few minutes of his time. I 468 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on a couple other things 469 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: around the league, as it pertains to to post draft. 470 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: Did you see the Jags draft board and how certain 471 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: things weren't blocked out overreaction by us in the media 472 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: or I you know, I did it. I saw it, 473 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: and I don't. It's probably an overreaction because I don't 474 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: know if we have a fair understanding of what those 475 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: numbers mean. I think because I think, you know, a 476 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, I think we got let in 477 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: the draft room media wise, and you look around it's stuff, 478 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: and you think you know what they mean, but then 479 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: it was explained to you and you're like, oh, that 480 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: means something completely different than what I thought what I 481 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: assumed it was. So I'm not going to overreact to 482 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: any of these. And also, it's all these guys are drafted. 483 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: It's Hay in the barn at this point, so it's 484 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's definitely less intriguing. I do want 485 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: to know, if I guess what Trevor Lawrence was an eight, 486 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: I want to know what a ten looks like, because 487 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: I thought that that was the as sure of a 488 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: he was, as sure of a thing as we've seen 489 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: in a long time. So that that means if if 490 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: if Trevor Lawrence really is an eight, and that's what 491 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: it's supposed to mean, then NFL team's great players like 492 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: that professor nightmare professor you had in college that wasn't 493 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: given as to anyone. I think that I had a 494 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: few of those still angry that by the way, too, 495 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: you know Jalen Waddle having the same grade as Trevor Lawrence, 496 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: Waddle is a hell of a player, Like, I mean, 497 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: maybe that's maybe you're not factoring in position, Like maybe 498 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle is just as good as a wide receiver 499 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: as Trevor Lawrences as a quarterback. Like there's so many things, 500 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: and honestly, it could mean something completely different that that 501 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with their abilities at all, and 502 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: it's just it's a it's strange. But clearly we we 503 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: know how these shows are vetted, uh internally from our 504 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: things that if they were uncomfortable with these numbers getting out, 505 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: then they would have certainly blocked them. So clearly they 506 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: were comfortable with with those seeing the light of day. Alright, 507 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: what first year head coach quarterback Combo will have more 508 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: success this season Urban Meyer with Trevor Lawrence or Robert 509 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: Salo with Zach Wilson. Man. This is a tough one 510 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: because it's like, I think I believe more in Robert 511 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: Salo the coach than I do Urban at the NFL level, 512 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: But I'd certainly believe way more in Trevor Lawrence than 513 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: I do in Zack Wilson. So I'm gonna lean on 514 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: the guy that's actually on the field. So I'm I'll 515 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: buy all the Trevor Lawrence stock if it's still at 516 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: a at a good price, just because I think he's 517 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: He's probably got better playmakers around him in Jacksonville this 518 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: year with I mean, they draft a running back, which 519 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: you can quibble with that as a long term strategy 520 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: all you want, but short term, he immediately gets a 521 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: great running back that can help him out. They've got 522 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: good wide receivers that they've added in Jacksonville. I think 523 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: the Jets as an offense are probably year away from 524 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: from being something you you want to reckon with in 525 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: the a f C. So I think the jackson Jaguars 526 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: are probably I think both teams are gonna stink, but 527 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: I think the Jackal is gonna have a better offense. 528 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: Probably this that the team that they're drafting first and 529 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: second for a reason. They're drafting quarterbacks for a reason. 530 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: It's not your one where they're gonna take off from 531 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: a win loss perspective. But I like, I'll take the 532 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: guy that was the prize prospect for these years. I'll 533 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: bet on him. Gotcha, Julio Jones? Where is he playing? 534 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: Week one? I guess not Atlanta. I mean, I guess 535 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: that's the that's the one. Guess. I mean Atlanta has 536 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 1: I've I've read that they don't want to trade him 537 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: in the NFC that I mean, come on, like, just 538 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: take the best offer you can. I mean, it's it's football. 539 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: It's not like a baseball you're playing. These are twenty 540 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: two sometimes a year, and I think you gotta take 541 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: the best offer. But I guess if they're looking for 542 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: a first round pick, which is seems like a big ask, 543 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: I guess. But I'll just say he's going to be 544 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: playing for a major contender because I think if I'm 545 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: a team that you know, is in a position to 546 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,919 Speaker 1: even afford Julio and have a need at wide receiver, 547 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: you know that maybe the first round pick doesn't sound 548 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: as bad because you're like, well, we're gonna be picking 549 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: thirty one or third, you know, you hope you're picking later. 550 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: To begin with, I liked the thought of San Francisco. 551 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: I mean that that that was some something that was 552 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: intriguing to me. You've got the Shanahan connection there as well. 553 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: I think the forty Niners could get better at wide receiver. 554 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: I think that's the best fit. Now that the team 555 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to see him with is like the 556 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: Chiefs or something like that, that's I'd be happy, but 557 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: let's encourage the Falcons to keep him in the NFC. 558 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 1: I think that that was that That's what I'm trying 559 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: to get at this because there's some contenders in the 560 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: a f C. I don't want to see Julio Jones 561 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: on because even though his long term situation might not 562 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: be the best from a contract standpoint, the guy can 563 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: still play and and he's someone that can really upgrade 564 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: an offense immediately. Uh if he if he's able to 565 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: join him this season, Yeah, no question. The Chargers were 566 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: the team that came to my mind, just because I 567 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: know how much salary kept. Yeah, I mean, that's a 568 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: that's a great combination him with Keenan Allen, Justin Herbert. 569 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: I mean that's a loaded offense and that's I mean, 570 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: that's the team that was probably not as bad as 571 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: the record indicated was last year and it's poised to 572 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: be an immediate contender this year and a team that 573 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: I was not excited to see the brown schedule next year. 574 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: I mean, there there's someone that's a dangerous believe it's 575 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: week five game the Browns have. I mean, that's that's 576 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: no gimme. 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