1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast starts now. Welcome back to 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: another edition of the Round the League Podcast. My name 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: is Dan Hansas, and I am joined by room filled 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: with heroes Chris Westling, Mark Sessler, and Greg Rosenthal. What up, boys, 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: Hey Dan, how's everybody done. Well, we're doing just fine. 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: It's Friday morning, and I guess the hesitation top of 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: the morning to you, well, the hesitation in our voices is, 8 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: let's be honest. This show remains something of an audio 9 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: grab bag. And we were just told by our producer that, uh, 10 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: there's a v I P room we could be recording from, 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: but instead we're here. Don't an audio grab bag? Sounds 12 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: like some great British indie rock band. Start itunds British people. 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: It sounds good. In general, there's nothing really good about 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: it TV, I believe is aging by the day in 15 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: like dog years, trying to figure said he's totally gray. Now, 16 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: he's got a long, bushy white beard. He's gonna figure 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: this out though, and he can't defend himself because I'm 18 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: wearing his headset right now. Yeah, so we're dealing with 19 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: our technical difficulties. You know, we talked about this on 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: Wednesday show and we're working through it. So just bear 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: with us. We have what I like to call a 22 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: great show today, gentlemen. We're going to that's a trope 23 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: in itself. Yeah, we're going to really dig in. Mini 24 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: camps are over, right, there's what is the schedule? It's 25 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: over now, it's all over all. The teams are now 26 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: on a break until training camp starts. Everybody gets a 27 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: month off, not us, I think the RAMS still of 28 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: O T a s. But mini camps are over. The 29 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: RAMS are weird. They do a mini camp, they sign 30 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: everyone at the same time. You know, relax, Rams. By 31 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: the way, you're not special. Oh, by the way, there's 32 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: a RAMS day next week. I was informed on NFL 33 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: a week from today Friday. Watch out for that. Yeah. So, 34 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: but the main point being that, with the exception of 35 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: the precious RAMS, everyone else is taking off a month 36 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: before training camp. So we're gonna now take that opportunity 37 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: now look back on the past two weeks of many 38 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: camps and O t a s and and choose the 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: winners and the losers. So we're gonna go around the 40 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: room a few times and nominate different winners and losers 41 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: purely in the football sense I. We don't want people 42 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: to think that we view player X as a total 43 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: loser as a human, but just you know how the 44 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: last couple of weeks played out. We'll get into that. 45 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: That will be the heart of our show. And none 46 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: of these wins or losses count in the standing, so 47 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: they're losers. But if we call you a loser, you 48 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: still have a chance zero zero. Yeah. And while we're 49 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: on the topic, if you're listening to the podcast right now, 50 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: total winner m But before we get into that, the big, meaty, 51 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: juicy topic, we have the great TV not behind the glass. 52 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: How are you, buddy? What's going on? Fellas? How was 53 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: the feedback? I know you're you're trying to get out 54 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: of the Gold Center's shadow in terms of the news transition. Uh, 55 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: gold Center of course said let's do it, which became iconic. 56 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: Your first one on Wednesday was what was it again? 57 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: Let's go, which you know, middling, middling effort, and also 58 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: the response lukewarm, let's be song yeah, layup line. Yeah. 59 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: So we're gonna now move into the news portion of 60 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: the program and it will be TDS Take two for 61 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: the intro. So let's do some news TV. Let's jump 62 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: right into it. I feel like the pressure was building 63 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: and I don't know, t V, I know in your 64 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: mind maybe you want to uh to edit that because 65 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: but I want you to let the the uncomfortable silence 66 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: hang in the room because TV paused for up to 67 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: five seconds, almost as we all stared at him. He 68 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: collected his thoughts and then delivered his latest phrase, Let's 69 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: just say I had something else in the bag, and 70 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: then the stage is set. I was like, no, I 71 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: want to switch it up, so you know, little alright, 72 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: also known as Jitters the yips Um. Alright, let's do 73 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: some news alright, So we've got into some heated debate 74 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: on Wednesday show about the Jets camp, specifically Michael Vick 75 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: and Gino Smith and whether it is a circus or not. 76 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: Now it's gonna get potentially even more interesting in the 77 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: studio right now, some heat between the Jets and Browns. 78 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: Mark of course, a Browns fan Rex Ryan Jets coaches 79 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: livid at his former as West put it in our 80 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: post First Lieutenant and current Browns coach Mike Patton, who 81 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: recently told a anecdote in a piece by Greg Bodart 82 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 1: of Monday Morning Quarterback in which he revealed that the 83 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: Jets playbook may have ended up in the ends of 84 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: Tom Brady in the New England Patriots. According to Badard's story, 85 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: Petton said that he gave the playbook to Nick Saban, 86 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: the al Obama coach who has mutual friendships with both 87 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: Ryan and Bill Belichick. Of course, and Brady seemed to 88 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: hint at this wedding that the Patriots had gotten their 89 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: hands on it. Rex not happy Ryan's quote during his 90 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: Thursday press conference. I don't understand what he's trying to 91 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: gain by it, Ryan said of Petton. Everyone needs to 92 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: talk to Mike Petton because he's got all the answers. Mark. 93 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: I turned to you your thoughts on this matter. I mean, 94 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: I think if you look at what Rex Ryan did 95 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: when he first came to New York, top order of 96 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: business was to point up a New England, shove it 97 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: right in Belichick's face, and say, not afraid of anyone, 98 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: We're coming at you were the Jets. It's not the 99 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: same thing. But what Petton to me is, so far 100 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: as Cleveland's coach is a guy that doesn't pull punches, 101 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: isn't afraid to pull the curtain back and I I 102 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: kind of believe Patton. I believe his account of things, 103 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: and I don't really I think when you look at 104 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: Rex's reaction in Belichick's it tells me more. Well, I 105 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: don't think that anyone's questioning whether Patton was telling the 106 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: truth to Greg Bdard. I think what more seemed to 107 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: mif Rex and Ryan and Petton were very close at 108 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: one time. We don't know what the relationships is at 109 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: right now, but it seems as if Rex is a 110 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: little miff that this was even put out there, as 111 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: in an anecdote in this otherwise positive piece on Patton, 112 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: and it makes Rex look bad. Well, it might shatter 113 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: the coaching fraternity wall a bit to share this information, 114 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: And I don't think it's a matter of whether it's 115 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: a true story or not. It's whether your friends should 116 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: go around telling that story. It makes Rec look like 117 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: Rex look like a bumbling idiot. Rex tried to make 118 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: the case that it disrespects the Patriots too. It's strange 119 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: to see Rex and Bill Belichick on the same side 120 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: of things, basically saying, look, people have playbooks at the time. 121 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: It's not about knowing the playbook. This is disrespecting Bill 122 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: Belichick and the Patriots' legacy, you know, to say that 123 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: they had unfair advantage. I think it's something. If it's 124 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: just these guys talking at a party or a bar, 125 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: they'd just be giving each other grief about it, and 126 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: it's not that big a deal. I mean, that's what 127 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: happened at this wedding. Basically, Brady is talking with west 128 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: Walker's buddy who was on the Jets staff, and kind 129 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: of just talking trash that they had their playbook, that's 130 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: why they got him. Jonathan Franklin's NFL career appears to 131 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: have reached a sudden conclusion. Packers coach MIKEA. McCarthy announced 132 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: Thursday that the running back won't return for a second 133 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: season with the team due to a neck injury. Surely thereafter, 134 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: Franklin posted on his Twitter page a message where he said, uh, unfortunately, 135 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: this week I had been ruled out for returning for 136 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: the season and returning to play in the NFL. So 137 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: it appears once again the Packers are snake bit here 138 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: with neck injuries and Franklin, who was a fourth round 139 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: pick last year and a promising guy that they kind 140 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: of saw as a change of paceback coming into the 141 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: league with Eddie Lacy is now suddenly out of the picture. 142 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: Kind of a bummer. It's a huge bummer by all accounts. 143 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: He's a likable guy. You interview at him last year 144 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: I did at a rookie event and in l a 145 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: public school, and he couldn't have been a nicer guy. 146 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: I remember talking to him about making the transition, uh 147 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: to Green Bay where there you know, he had never 148 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: been to Wisconsin and seen that many white people before, 149 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: and he kind of it was very good natured about it, 150 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: and it was a you know, it was a guy 151 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: that you wanted to root for. And if you remember 152 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: at that time, Franklin was getting more buzz than Lacey 153 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: initially as a guy that could come in and make 154 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: an instant impact. And of course Lacey became the star 155 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: this year, and now Franklin is out of the picture. 156 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: He was one of those guys going into the draft 157 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: that people thought could be a first second round pick. 158 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: Was sort of a draft nick favorite, had one big 159 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: game for them last year. And it's just crazy how 160 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: this keeps happening to the Packers. This is what the 161 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: third neck injury. Four Beat writer Jason Wildy had a 162 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: list of seven or eight since the year two thousand. 163 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: That doesn't even include Sterling Sharp. In the early to 164 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: mid nineties, Terrence Murphy was the guy that his career 165 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: ended right the second round pick. Finley Ja Michael Finley, 166 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: of course, Nick Collins. One thing it tells me for 167 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: teams that have a dire need like Green Bay did 168 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: at running back last year, was I liked the idea. 169 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: And the Patriots have done this a couple of years 170 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: in the row with certain position groups. Is attacked the 171 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: draft and get multiple running backs because odds are, whether 172 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: it's by injury or just a performance, one of these 173 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: guys aren't gonna work out. If there's a bright side 174 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: for Jonathan Franklin, it's that he's a guy who doesn't 175 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: just identify himself as a football player. He said last 176 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: year last summer. Look, my mission in life is to 177 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: become mayor of Los Angeles. So he might be mayor something. 178 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: All right, come on some leadership, Like he told the 179 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, football does not define us. I love 180 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: the game and I have a passion for it, but 181 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: the game is not just me. I'm more than just 182 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: a game. I feel it's great to show that to everybody. 183 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: It teaches you not to be limited in life. Can 184 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: he get us into the vi I P Room? What 185 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: is his platform for helping podcast in Los Angeles? I 186 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: like this? And if he does run for office, will 187 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: Brett Favre speak on his behalf in a campaign? We'll 188 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: all these things lie ahead moving forward? What is going 189 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: on with no Sean Moreno? The Miami Dolphins running back 190 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: has been taking snaps behind Lamar Miller we knew, but 191 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: also Daniel Thomas and Damian Williams and Orleans Darkwa and 192 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: Mike Jealousy that KILLSSI and Marcus stig Pen, which I 193 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: think that's a made up name. These these are all 194 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: guys that aren't even in the mix. Moreno is not 195 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: even practicing. He was running off to the side. Greg Rosenthal, 196 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: you wrote that it was a site that was invoked 197 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: memories of a late career Albert Haynesworth. What is going 198 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: on with no Sean Moreno? Well, there's one thing about 199 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: city on the bench. There's another if you're being humiliated 200 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: and doing something separate of the rest of your teammates 201 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: that you're not even allowed to practice with them, apparently 202 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: because he's out of shape, Joe Philbin, the coach, and 203 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: Moreno have both alluded to that he wasn't in great 204 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: shape when he showed up. But then Moreno started talking 205 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: about the humidity in Miami that was a difficult transition 206 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: for him. Uh. He also started talking about he needs 207 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: to start working out with a trainer, you know, before 208 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: training camp. He's never done that before. And then a 209 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: report came out that he's got an illness. Just something 210 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: strange is going on here, and I'm wondering if no 211 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: Sean Moreno makes the Dolphins. I've got a theory about 212 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: what's going on here. All right here, he's clearly sabotaging 213 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: this whole effort so he can get back to Denver 214 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: and and be the past catching back for the Broncos. 215 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: Denver didn't want him. Now we're knowing. Now we're learning 216 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: why Denver refused to pay a guy who had fift 217 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: undred yards and thirteen touchdowns last year, even two and 218 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: a half three million dollars. They're like, no, thanks, we'd 219 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: rather just not have you. And maybe whatever this is, 220 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: maybe that's why. And talk about a guy that doesn't 221 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: fit the mold, playing with Peyton Manning, who asked you 222 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: to work harder than really any quarterback in football. One 223 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: point to five million this year guaranteed for Moreno between 224 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: his signing bonus and his salary, so they would have 225 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: to That's a pretty bad look if you drop a 226 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: guy after giving him a million point to five, but 227 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 1: they'd still save money. They still would have to pay 228 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: him another million point seven five to keep him, so 229 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: I really wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make Are 230 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: we sure that Devon Bess hasn't returned to Miami kidnapped 231 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: No Sean Marino and is on Miami's field and No 232 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: Sean Marino's helmet and jersey, pads, pants and shoes. It's 233 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: probably not the case. I'll watched some Broncos games on 234 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: Game re one last night and I have a prediction. Okay, 235 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning is gonna miss No Sean Marino in the 236 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: passing game. Maybe he maybe he will go back there. 237 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: They I've talked about monte Ball as seeing more work 238 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 1: and doing a better job in the passing game, but 239 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: you're not buying that. I think monte Ball can do 240 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: basic things. No Sean Marino had a mind meld with 241 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. Was Manning would look at all of his 242 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: options and know exactly where Marino was at all times, 243 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: and Marino bailed him out on a lot of third 244 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: downs and a lot of plays where the pocket was 245 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: breaking down. This sets up, though one of the most 246 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: unexplained phenomenons in our entire culture. The year after making 247 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: the leap, making the leap, bump, Lamar Miller, your boy 248 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: top five on the list last year. Maybe he gets 249 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: it just a year later. We were a little premature. 250 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: People talk about that all the time, a phenomenon. T 251 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: J Yates wasn't released by the Houston Texans after all. 252 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 1: Houston reverse course Wednesday and traded the quarterback to the 253 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons. In exchange, the Texans received linebacker Akeep Dent, 254 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: good landing spot for Yates, who now becomes what appears 255 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: to be the clear backup behind Matt Ryan. Um. The 256 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: Falcons also released Dominique Davis on Thursday, so that cleared 257 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: up this situation even more. If Bett Ryan didn't get 258 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: injured last year when he was getting hit on every 259 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: other dropback, he's not gonna get injured this year. It 260 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,359 Speaker 1: doesn't really matter who their backup is. Calling Matt Ryan invincible, 261 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: Al upgraded offensive line, and he's probably safe. He doesn't 262 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: miss games, and that's lucky because t J. Yates is backup. 263 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: Well that if you're Yates, you I could see every 264 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: one of those quarterbacks in Houston getting a start this 265 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: season that has potential to melt into chaotic rivers. And meanwhile, 266 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: this is exactly correct by West. Yates is couch in 267 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: atlant Over. We will never hear from him ever again. 268 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: Have a nice life, Cortfo real entity at this point. 269 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: He has vanished into another world by this way. And 270 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: this was our test of whether we can really take 271 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: a almost in significant news item and quickly just say 272 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: something about it and then move on. We've always wanted 273 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: to do that and try, but we can't. Somehow doubled 274 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: it right there, and somehow that that news item that 275 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: was supposed to be very brief and included a reference 276 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: to chaotic rivers. All right, let's move on, guys. That's 277 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: the news before we get into the winners and losers 278 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: of minicamp. I wanted to just run something by Kevin Patra, 279 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: the great Kevin Patrick, coming at you our Chicago. A 280 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: t L correspondent got back to me, I I think 281 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: I heard some feelings on Wednesday's pot where I called 282 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: Patrick the manliest member of the A t L Podcast. 283 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: Certainly hurt Greg and Mark's feelings because he didn't hurt 284 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: my feeling. It sounded like I wasn't even considering them, 285 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: and I said that he had beaten out West. So 286 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: first of all, I want to apologize that's not how 287 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: I meant it. But I also want to now fill 288 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: you in on what Patra had to say about this, 289 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: because he, uh, he listened. Of course, here's a direct 290 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: quote from Kevin Patrick West and I would be a 291 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: good match. He's got the weight and old man strength, 292 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: but I can take a punch and let him wear 293 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: himself out Mickey Ward style. Copius Bears would also need 294 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: to be consumed first, So you know interesting, I think 295 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: not only am I older, but I have a major 296 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: experience ade on him. Right, Usually that goes handed in. 297 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: But do you mean, oh you mean in the realm 298 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: of fisticuffs. I don't know, physical stamina. I'm not sure 299 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: I would take you over Patra. Keep in mind, I 300 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: have six brothers, that's true. I know nothing of Patra 301 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: in a tavern, you know, in terms of when he 302 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: gets irritated. But I have seen wes uh with lathered 303 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: up to some degree. I wouldn't go near him with 304 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: a fifteen football. I mean, this guy needs his space, 305 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't touch him in a fight, and I 306 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: would want him on my side. If anyone's ever happened 307 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: to upon West in a huck of whose parking lot 308 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: when things are going down, this guy he brings the 309 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: hammer and he doesn't he doesn't let up until it's over. 310 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: So he's an arm of justice. He's gonna fight from 311 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: what's right. That's what I do know about him. All right, 312 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: So good. I just wanted to get that out there, gentlemen, 313 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: Mini camps over except for the precious rams. Let's talk 314 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: about it, winners and losers. Do we want to start 315 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: positive or do we want to start negative? Let's start there, 316 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: Let's start up. Let's give some positives out there. It 317 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: was much harder to find winners than losers. Yeah. Well, 318 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: as the NFL's resident cynic that checks out. I don't 319 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: believe I'm cynical. You don't know, m hmm, what do 320 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: you guys think? I don't know. If cynical is the 321 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: right word, I would say philosophical. Thank you appreciate that. Mark, 322 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: You're a good guy. Browns Why would I need to 323 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: brown knows West. You just said he's the toughest guy 324 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: on the block, potentially tougher than Patrick. Maybe you're afraid 325 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: of him. Well, we weren't even considered. And by the way, 326 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: you know apology necessary for that. I wouldn't consider me either. 327 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: I was considering myself either. That's why I didn't think 328 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: it was offensive. But it seemed to go down the 329 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: wrong way. All right, So let's start with Mark Sessler, 330 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: who has good things to say about everyone at all times, 331 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: So let's start with him. Well, my fire was stolen 332 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: on both of my winning subjects by our news grab 333 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: early in the in the show, But I went Lamar 334 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: Miller because actually wrote in a piece, I don't even 335 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: know what that means. I think wes leyn what he 336 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: saw in Lamar Miller a year ago still holds true. 337 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: And the Dolphins have said that their one goal is 338 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: to get their running backs in space for big plays, 339 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: which is something they didn't do last year, and that 340 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: is ideal for Lamar Miller. And I don't know what's 341 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: gonna happen with with Morino. I'm not that overly concerned 342 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: with his fitness At this point. He's got time to 343 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: fix that up. But I think the Miller is more 344 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: what they want in this offense, and he's gonna have 345 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: that season that Wesley thought he would last year. He's 346 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: in there getting the reps, is proving it. That's my 347 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: first winner. Didn't we give up on Lamar Miller though 348 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: ten weeks until last season or even before that? Prematurely, 349 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: here's this week heemoso people, I don't know. I thought, well, 350 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: I remember you were the biggest Lamar Miller fan, and 351 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: then you remember bringing it up during the podcast as 352 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: the season progressed and you acknowledge that it didn't work out. 353 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 1: Do you think it's going to be a big difference 354 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: this year. I think his biggest weakness was a lack 355 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: of power, and apparently he's bulked up. Joe philbin Is 356 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: addressed this during the off season that he looks more powerful. 357 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: He's told him he needed to be able to break tackles, 358 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: and it looks like this is something he's going to 359 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: be able to do. But I would say that's as 360 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: big as bugaboo. He has to he has to be 361 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: able to break tackles and run inside. Well, what he 362 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: has going for him is the same thing that Bill 363 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: Laser has going for him, and that's that Mike Sherman 364 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: is no longer involved. I think it's additioned by subtraction, 365 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 1: and that whole offense could be better even if Laser 366 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: is just fine. Well and Laser when we talked to him, 367 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: the one thing that he I said, give me the 368 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: one takeaway by your offense. What's the number one thing? 369 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: And he went in the direction I didn't think what 370 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: he said the story of our offensive line. He said, 371 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen from where we were last year to 372 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: this year is going to be the thing that people 373 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: talk about when they talk about the Dolphins. That's better 374 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: for Tannehill and for Miller Westling. Your pick for a winner, 375 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: Let's go to my old hometown of Cincinnati. Offensive coordinator 376 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: Hugh Jackson is a big offseason winner. I love that 377 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: he didn't go the defer to a veteran route. They 378 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: drafted Jeremy Hill immediately put him above Ben Jarvis green 379 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: Ellis who looked frankly like he was on his last 380 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 1: legs last year. And now they have Geo Bernard An 381 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: increased role. One of the things that watching Bengals games, 382 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: I think we all said last year they need to 383 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: get Geo Bernard more involved. The ball moves more when 384 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: he's involved. So now they have him in a better 385 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: power back in Jeremy Hill. So you have those two 386 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: running backs in the backfield. Greg did of making the 387 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: lead piece on Marvin Jones, who whenever I looked at 388 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: went back and watch game rewind all he does is 389 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: make plays. So they've got a j Green who draws 390 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: double teams. Marvin Jones is taking advantage of single teams. 391 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: You've got two good running backs, and you've got two 392 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: quality tight ends in Gresham and Tyler Effort. They've got 393 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: as many weapons as anybody. I mean, also win you're 394 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: Bengals fans getting rid of Jay Gruden. Maybe it's not 395 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: that jiggered and did fine in Cincinnati, but Hugh Jackson 396 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: is almost underrated for what he's done in the pros. 397 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: The Raiders have not been above average in yards gained 398 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: other than two years of the last eleven, and those 399 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: two years were Hugh Jackson's two years. Hugh Jackson led 400 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: a team that had was quarterbacked by Carson Palmer. Bruce 401 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: Gradkowski and I forget who else was splitting time Jason 402 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: Campbell to the top ten. Those were two top ten 403 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: offenses the years. Jason really the only two good years 404 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: of Darren mc Darren mcfan's career and a wildly cunning 405 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: individual because he got the Bengals to trade Carson Palmer 406 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: for a couple of high draft knicks and then gets 407 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: fired and goes to Cincinnati and helps use those drop 408 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: picks to build his offense, which he's now in control of. 409 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: I get what you're saying here with the wink mad genius. 410 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: There's something going on behind the scenes. Let's start with 411 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: my boy Robert Woods. He didn't make it to make 412 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: it the leap, but he's gotta make it to this segment. Yeah. 413 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: I was reading on ESPN dot com Mike Rodeck, who 414 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: does a good job with the Bills. He was saying 415 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: how Mike Williams hasn't really been running with the first team, 416 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: hasn't looked special this offseason. Also pointed out Sammy Watkins 417 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: has had some drops, not really worried about that long term. 418 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: Robert Woods hasn't dropped a pass in all of o 419 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: t a s. He's locked into the starting lineup. He's 420 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 1: got a rapport with EJ. Manuel. The other guys don't 421 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: have sticking with my boy Woods. He hasn't dropped a 422 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: pass in non contact practice. He didn't drop a pass 423 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: all of last year. Asking your four year old son 424 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: in the backyard not to drop a pass while you're 425 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: playing catch? All right, What's what's a wide receiver's foremost job, westling, 426 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: make play, make plays, catch the ball? All in all 427 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: of last year? How many times did Robert Woods drop 428 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: a past sent to him? According to my boss in 429 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: the newsroom earlier this morning, Zero's it that. By the way, 430 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: that wasn't a confirmation of your stat That was West 431 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 1: thrown it back at you, that that came from you, 432 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: and whatever. It's a qualms with Robert Woods hands. I 433 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: believe he has excellent hands and he'll sell his body 434 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: out to make a catch. We made a sandwich bet 435 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: who's gonna lead the Bills in receiving yards? And I'm 436 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: feeling better about it after this say, I have no 437 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: qualms about that proposition. Who do you think I have 438 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: the entire Bill's roster outside of Robert Woods? Also, I 439 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: think it will be Sammy Watkins, I would hope, so 440 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: considering what they gave up for the guy, he'd better 441 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: be making an instant impact. Right. Well, I also get 442 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: a potato salad and the sandwich that sounds awful. Potato 443 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: salad is such a low leverage side dish in my opinion, 444 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 1: what are you really getting? You know what I forgot to. 445 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: I should have told you this upfront, but the original 446 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: proposition was lunch, you should be getting a potato salad anyway. 447 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: By the way, I have to a salad in my 448 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: top five dishes that I do not trust unless I 449 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: know the person who made it, and I don't need 450 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: it anyways. If my negotiating was this bad with all 451 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: of your contracts, this place would just go under, I 452 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: don't know, or else we'd be happy. Man. All right, 453 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: I will throw out another wide receiver, and I think 454 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: West you might disagree with it, but let's roll with 455 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: it and we're gonna stay positive. Ruben Randall, wide receiver 456 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: New York Giants, according to uh NJ dot Com, said 457 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: that he continues to have a strong offseason. That was 458 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: in a report earlier this week. Obviously, this is a 459 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: great situation Randall has has this season got Victor Cruz, 460 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: got Odell Beckham in the mix. Uh. It seems like 461 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: Randall is gonna get plenty of work out wide as 462 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: a as an impact receiver for them. I'm feeling good 463 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: about not just Randall, but this entire Giants offense. You know, 464 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: it's big that you have Eli back and he's working 465 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: with the team after ankle surgery. You have Ben McAdoo 466 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: in an offense coordinator that was kind of overdue with 467 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: Kevin Gilbride, who you know, had his moments with the team, 468 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: but those those days that passed, it seemed by the 469 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: end of last season. This is a team that not 470 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: a lot of people are talking about, despite them being 471 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: the New York Giants. And I think Eli is gonna 472 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: bounce back. I think Ruben Randall is gonna be a 473 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: part of that reason. And I think this offense is 474 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: gonna score points. Reuben Randall also revealed that the coaching 475 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: staff sat him down and basically said, put the fork down, 476 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: Susie Winner, but talk about the Giants. You are always 477 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 1: talking about the Giants. Love the Giants. I think I 478 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: like O'Dell Beckham better than Ruben Randall. I mean, if 479 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,719 Speaker 1: you've listened to Dave Gettleman. The Panthers GM has been 480 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: raving about Odell Beckham, that he was the only wide 481 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: receiver in the draft whom you couldn't question his route running, 482 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: that he is pro ready and every other receiver in 483 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: the draft is not do So what do you let's 484 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: talk over under West Reuben Randall sixty catches, that's a 485 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: good that's a good line right there. I would go 486 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: slightly unders, slightly under seven touchdowns. Mm hmm. I think 487 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: you hit that one on the head. Okay. I think 488 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting that you mentioned that the coaching staff had 489 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: those words for him, because when we when Greg and 490 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: I were in Orlando, Kauughlin would not stop talking about 491 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: Reuben Randalls, a guy that not we think he can 492 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: step He has to step up this season. He has 493 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: to get it done and we haven't seen you know, 494 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: Elis had his issues obviously, but we haven't seen that 495 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: receiving corps fully healthy in a long time. And when 496 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: they were, whether you like Gilbride or not, he was running, running, 497 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: shoots elements with that team, they haven't been able to 498 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: do what they want to do. I think the coordinator 499 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: switch is interesting. All right, let's talk some losers, and 500 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: again not losers in the human sense, but losers in 501 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: mini camp O t a s. The last couple of weeks, 502 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: We'll start with you, Mark Sessler. I am going to 503 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: shift into loser in the human sense, because the chance 504 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: to play in the NFL is obviously something that no 505 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: one's gonna get to do except the total cream of 506 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: the crop. But if you're Kyle Orton, what you can 507 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: do is decide I'm sitting on a multimillion dollar deal, 508 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: but I just don't care enough, and I care so 509 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: little that I'm going to sabotage my teammates and force 510 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: them to be one snap away from Brandon Weed and 511 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: being your starting quarterback with by the way, Tony Romo 512 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: in ill shape. I don't like the guy's attitude. I 513 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: think he's not been clear from the start in terms 514 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: of if you want to get out of this, let 515 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: the Cowboys know and get this situation figured out half 516 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: a year ago or right at the end of the 517 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: season so they have a chance to go out and 518 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: draft someone or get a real backup. Now they're in 519 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: peril and that team is not have any inches to 520 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: give up there on the cusp of being a three 521 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: win team. If Romo goes down, well that's that. First 522 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: of all, that's not Kyle Orton's problem because and care 523 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: with what's going on with the Cowboys if he's intending 524 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: to retire. My second point, I want to bring up 525 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: a parallel to Mark Sessler. Earlier in your career, before 526 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: you started working in the NFL, you worked at a 527 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: mid upper tier investment firm of some kind. Is that 528 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: about right accurate enough? I'm not sure which one. You 529 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: had a nice job, and you did you did the 530 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: job well, and you had an opportunity to move up 531 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: in the job and build a real career for yourself, 532 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: and you walked away one day because you said I'm 533 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 1: not into it, And you walked away from good money, 534 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: potentially in a secure career because you wanted to do 535 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: something else. Would you be called a loser for that? 536 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: I did that to come to the NFL. Well, okay, 537 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: but that's a different NFL we're talking about. Modif Coward 538 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: has his version of a different NFL in that previous employment, 539 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: which sounds good, well, good for him. I'm not saying 540 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: it can't make the choice. In that job, I served 541 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: villainous people driving around and cream colored porches. I had 542 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: nothing to do with that lifestyle. Orton is leaving tighten it, 543 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: locker room capsized. I don't like the whole way it's 544 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: gone down. Here's the problem. Kyle Orton is a bond 545 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: vivant in the body of an NFL quarterback. If this 546 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: was the late sixties, he'd be done. Meredith, why is that? 547 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: And myself a little more? If you North was forty, 548 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: or if you're familiar with any of the old Monday 549 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: night football tales, Don Meredith was among the biggest partiers 550 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: in NFL history many he owned many cream colored porsches. 551 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: So I mean, what, Kyle Orton, what do you think 552 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: of the human form? Like, I'm not going to get 553 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: in the way of this whole mark or anything. I 554 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: enjoy watching it. I'd love to bring the two of 555 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: them together and see if they can squash it. But 556 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: for right now, they're working things out. I think he'd 557 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: be fun to hang out with. Don't get me wrong, 558 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: I don't think I won't, but I don't. But from 559 00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: this angle, this specific angle, I've made myself clear. Rights losers. Yeah, 560 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: I at least these people will seem like they're they're 561 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: probably nice people, but Houston Texans fans, I'm not truly, 562 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: but look, you're a Texans fan. You've got an established 563 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: mediocrity in a mysterious mediocrity in your quarterback corps. In 564 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: my world, I would much rather have a mysterious mediocrity 565 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: playing quarterback than it established mediocrity. They're gonna have Ryan Fitzpatrick, 566 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: owner of a three fifty lifetime winning percentage, as their 567 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: quarterback and their best player in franchise history, has basically 568 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: said all offseason, I don't want to be associated with 569 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: this franchise anymore. So you're called a great offseason for 570 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: the Houston Texans fans. It's an important distinction. You're saying. 571 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: It's or they're losers, but not because of something they did. 572 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: It's something that's being done to them. So they're not 573 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: really losers. They're more like fools if you go back. 574 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. That was totally that Texans owner when 575 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: they fired Kubiak and talked about what was ahead, boldly 576 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: talked about the Texans as a team still knocking on 577 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl door that was about to make a 578 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: bold new move, change things up, to make some tweaks 579 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: and get right back into the playoff front. That cannot 580 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: be what he envisioned many months ago. The fact that 581 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: he's got Ryan Fitzpatrick saddled at his starter at this 582 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: point couldn't agree more with the West. I feel bad 583 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: for that fan base. With all due respect to owners 584 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: who pay for this podcast and everything else that's going 585 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: on right now. One thing about when they make those 586 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: assertations or proclamations about a team, I don't know if 587 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: they quite really know about the true structure of the team. 588 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: So when Bob McNair said that he thought the Texans 589 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: last year's two and fourteen was a pump in the road, 590 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure he quite understood the problems at the 591 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: franchise face standpoint silver lying it's the off season. There 592 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: really are no winners and losers. Like we've said, this 593 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: scoreboard hasn't happened. If Jadevion Clowney is what some people 594 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: think he is and he gets healthy and gets healthy, 595 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: that's another band thing. I mean, the number one pick 596 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: in the draft, that hernia surgery. But if January Jadevion 597 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: Clowny has double digit sacks and looks like a matchup 598 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,719 Speaker 1: nightmare for all offensive linement for the next decade. I 599 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: think Texas fans will say, all right, that was worth 600 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: the trade off to watch Ryan Fitzpatrick. They were historically unlucky. 601 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: They just need to get a little luckier. To win 602 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: seven games this year in that terrible division would not 603 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: be that surprising. Give us a loser. Well, let's go 604 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: with the obvious choice. I'll come buying a couple. The 605 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: Cardinals and the Cowboys both lost dynamic inside linebackers for 606 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: the season. You know, we can talk who didn't look 607 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: good on the field. These are real problems that are 608 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: going to completely change their seasons. Daryl Washington we think 609 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: of as one of the most underrated players in the league. 610 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: Shan Lee is one of the best inside linebackers in 611 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: football too. Both of those defense already looked like they 612 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: had problems. Rather sorry, the Cowboys defense already looked like 613 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: it had a big problem him. The Cardinals I think 614 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: will be okay, But these are major hits for the 615 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: off season. This is basically the worst things that can 616 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: happen to you in the off season. It happens to 617 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: a couple of teams each year. This year is the 618 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: Cowboys and the Cardinals. You know, Greg came in and 619 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: it looked like around the newsroom he had rekindled and 620 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: made a September romance with Carson Palmer. So I went 621 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: and watched some Carson Palmer film yesterday, and I watched 622 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: the Colts game, and honestly, it was one of the 623 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: best games by any quarterback all year. That's what I'm saying. 624 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: And then I watched some other games, but I saw 625 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: enough in that one game to kind of rethink what 626 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: I thought of Carson Palmer. This could have been the 627 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: team of a TS. This can still be the team. 628 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: It can't be the A T L because here's why. 629 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: Darryl Washington, one of the one of the first four, 630 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: one of their top four players in the team, Carlos 631 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: dans just pretend he wasn't there to begin with. Carlos Dansby, 632 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: one of the best inside linebackers in football last year. 633 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: Tyrone Matthew won't be on the field until October. Probably 634 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: of their top players will not be on They're not 635 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: going to be exciting to watch next man. Um, that's 636 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: what they said. It's not the healthiest team in the NFL. 637 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: They've still got a lot of dynamic players. They don't 638 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: excite me and to throw them out because they're inside 639 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: linebackers are hurt. Come on, it's going to be a 640 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: hard man to turn when it comes to the team 641 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: of a t L. You're gonna have to really, I 642 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: told you I am more going to bring it in 643 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: this thing. You guys have been doing this for fifteen 644 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: or twenty years because I don't have a team. I 645 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: always picked my own team every year. This feels like 646 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: having an argument with you know, maybe a previous girlfriend, 647 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: where you realize, at some point in the middle of 648 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: this three week debate, if you don't essentially just agree 649 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: you it's not gonna go well and you just agree 650 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: this is really the team of West. Is that it's 651 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: really what it is. Hey, look, I have a list 652 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: of teams that it will be acceptable, and it is 653 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: a team of one. And yeah, we're gonna block some 654 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: of those forget the team of West. Yeah, you gotta 655 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: play ball West or it's gonna get dirty. This isn't 656 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: This isn't a I don't know what you would call autocracy. No, 657 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: I have a list of teams. I'm not I'm not 658 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: saying it has to be the Steelers. Alright, more loser talk. 659 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys lost Jason Hatcher to the um Washington 660 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: Redskins in the off season, and at the time it 661 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: seemed like maybe a questionable move by the Redskins, and 662 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: now it really does. This is a guy in the 663 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 1: wrong side of thirty that had some passing this knee 664 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 1: issues and now he went under the knife for author 665 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: scopic knee surgery. They say he's out four to six weeks, 666 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: which would mean he'd be back in plenty of time 667 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: for the season, but who knows how this stuff really 668 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: works out. And it's just once again the Redskins seemed 669 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: to be failing over and over again in free agency 670 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: and not making smart decisions. And you know, although this 671 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily tied into what happened on the field in general, 672 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: it was not a great week for the Redskins with 673 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: this name change thing going on again, and you have 674 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: some the government getting involved on some level, and you 675 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: have to imagine that that name name change or the 676 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: issue with the name is starting to creep into obviously 677 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: the organization, it's a distraction at this point, but at 678 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: what point does it become an issue for the players 679 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: who were probably asked about it all the time. So 680 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: I can't imagine the Redskins were bummed to see this 681 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: week come to an end. You made a good point 682 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: about the Redskins decisions. Who is making the decisions for 683 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: this team? Do you think when it comes down to 684 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: core personnel moves, because Bruce Allen j Gruden? Is it? 685 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: I think it's Jay Gruden or is it San Diego's 686 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: old general manager who we sat next to you on 687 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: an airplane. I think he is rolling the dice on 688 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,439 Speaker 1: some of these moves. I don't think it's Bruce Allen, 689 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: who has very little personnel experience. It's I think it's 690 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: Jake Gruden. He's running teams before he's been in the NFL. 691 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: He was not only the GM of his Arena League team, 692 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: he was the president. I mean we can say, oh, 693 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: that's the Arena League. You try to run a professional 694 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: football league team, and there's a lot that goes into 695 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: and Jay Gruden has a third experience. To me, I 696 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: bet he is the guy pulling the string. And if 697 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: let's say Jason Hatcher ends up getting some swelling on 698 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: the knee midway through training camp and he ends up 699 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 1: going on short m I are it becomes a whole 700 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: situation who's getting to the quarterback for the Redskins? And 701 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: how is that defense going to get better? And Ryan Carrogan, 702 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: do you do you believe that that Hatcher's job? That's 703 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: this is why I was kind of scratching my head 704 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: at the signing. Anyway, he should be a three technique 705 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: nose tackle and they're gonna play him at defensive end. 706 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: In Jim Haslet's defense, the defensive ends aren't pass rushers. 707 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 1: The outside linebackers are. So I think it's a little 708 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: like I never really understood that signing to begin. In 709 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: Jim Hazlet's defense, you give up four d plus yards 710 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,959 Speaker 1: a game. This is one of the most fascinating teams. 711 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: I will never support them for the team of around 712 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: the league. But that abundantly clear. If we were making 713 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: a list of teams that I feel I could have 714 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,720 Speaker 1: the biggest range of the worst season possible to the best. 715 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,799 Speaker 1: The Redskins are near the top of that. I could 716 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: see them being great if everything goes right, and I 717 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: could see them being three and thirteen. Okay, we have 718 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,399 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes left, so why don't we kind 719 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: of go around the table and make maybe a quick 720 00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: case a winner or a loser of both. You can 721 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: knock out a cup well if you want, and we'll 722 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: try to get through this and get everybody out on 723 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: the table. So this is what I call and I 724 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: invented the start of the lightning rod. If I had 725 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,320 Speaker 1: known that, I wouldn't have mentioned Robert would so early. 726 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 1: That would have just tried to sneak because that's seen 727 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: on the kid. That was kind of a joke. All right, 728 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: this is what they call the quote lightning round Mark 729 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: gonna go quickly. I like what Mike Petton has done. 730 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: I think right out of the gate first press conference 731 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: at the Combine hold on first press conference, had to 732 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 1: defend the fact that the team wanted Jim Harbor Moore 733 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 1: shot it right back in everyone's face. Has handled Johnny 734 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: Manzel everything else very well. Go Westley. I've got a 735 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: quick winner, Derek Carr, quick loser, Michael Vick. Derek Carr. 736 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: Because last night I did a little exercise, I ranked 737 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 1: one through thirty two, which expected starting quarterback I would 738 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,399 Speaker 1: like to have at the helm of my team. Matt 739 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: Shop was number thirty two, just a head of Chad Henny. 740 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: Derek Carr has looked good. Uh in training camp has 741 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: already bypassed Matt mcgoy for the number two roles, putting 742 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: pressure on shop Mike Vick because of what I said 743 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: yesterday about the regret scale, he clearly wishes he had 744 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: signed with another team. By the way, I changed Storty 745 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: to diapers last night. Right Winner, I'm gonna go Teddy Bridgewater. 746 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: It's always tough to figure out what positive reviews matter 747 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: what don't. Just using my spidy sense reading between the lines, 748 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: I think they're really excited about Bridgewater and he's going 749 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: to be the best rookie quarterback this year. And then 750 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a couple of losers. Jermichael Finn. 751 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: We'll have time for one loser. Will go on one 752 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: more time. We thought he'd be back this year, Jamichael Finley, 753 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,360 Speaker 1: he's not in another winner US, No more o t s, 754 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: no more mini camps. I'm out. You should have saved 755 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: that for the last one. One more time. I told 756 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,279 Speaker 1: you I gotta winner. Michael Floyd. I predict you will 757 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: be the Cardinals leading receiver this year. Lara Fitzjald become 758 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: the second banana. Their loser, Zach Stacy st Louis Rams 759 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,479 Speaker 1: running back. What does that guy have to do together 760 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: a starting running back job. Everything that Trey Mason said 761 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: was true, that he's not been guaranteed the spot. Stacy 762 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,919 Speaker 1: has a starting running back Mark loser bent Tate thought 763 00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,720 Speaker 1: he was going to be a lead back for this team. 764 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: Fin it is out right now. I think at this 765 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: point he's lucky if he's even leading his team and carries. 766 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: Come December, West, I blew my water on the last 767 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: when he told me to go one or two. Greg, 768 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 1: we're the winners because this segment is over the speed round. 769 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: We won. That's it. That's it, all right, we'll stop, 770 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: We'll stop. I had I had more, West, You don't 771 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: have some more? Just makes him up. Bill Lazer loves him. 772 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 1: Chris Johnson unnecessarily raising expectations saying you can still rush 773 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: for two thousand yards and then also comparing himself to 774 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,359 Speaker 1: a jailed rapper named Lil Boosey. Don't do that, bro 775 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: West the gold standard. Wow, that's mean. Well England lost 776 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 1: on Thursday. Yeah, that's true. I thought you're saying because 777 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: he couldn't hang out with us as a person behind 778 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: not behind the glasses laughing. I don't know's t winner 779 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 1: Winner in the big Seed, in the big chair. He's 780 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: definitely up in his game. Finally, last but not least, 781 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: Gregg Ros it's all the Boss. He's got nothing. That's 782 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: all lightening around over winner, Mark Sessler one. I don't know. 783 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: There was no point system wins. All right, that's it 784 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: for today's show. We will be back on Monday with 785 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: another week of action. There will be no action on 786 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: the field, but we never rest and that's what we do. Mark, 787 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: you or will be heading on vacation, so we will 788 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: just push on without you in. You're gonna phone it 789 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: in on my phone in. I might call into the show. 790 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: I like that. We'll see maybe not all right, so 791 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: Mark might phone it in On Monday. We'll all be 792 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 1: in the dark dungeon here secondary studio until then. This 793 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,240 Speaker 1: is Dan Hansons signing off for The Mailman, The Sizzler, 794 00:41:46,480 --> 00:42:02,760 Speaker 1: The Boss and take Date behind the Glass sp