1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing and we have breaking news this 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Wednesday afternoon. Garrett, the Ravens have made their decision on 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: whether they are going to pick up the fifth year 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: options of two stars. The Ravens will be picking up 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: that of Kyle Hamilton, but they will not be picking 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: up the fifth year option for center Tyler Linderbaum. So 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: we're going to break down those decisions and tell you 9 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: why we believe Eric Cossa and the front office have 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: come to those conclusions. So first of all, the best 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: way to know why is to here. It's straight from 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: Eric to Costas. Again, why don't you give us the 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: quote from Eric? 14 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Eric and the statement that he released when 15 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: the Ravens announced the moves this afternoon. Here's the statement. 16 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: We are exercising the fifth year option for Kyle Hamilton 17 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: with the goal of working towards a multi year contract extension. 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: While we will not apply the fifth year option to 19 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: Tyler Linderbaum. It is our intention for him to remain 20 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: a Baltimore Raven long term. So basically, the Ravens think 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: that both of these guys or are cornerstone players who 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: they view here as key pieces of the team for 23 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: the long term future. Yeah, and I really think that 24 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: this comes down to salary cap maneuvering and management more 25 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: than its economics. 26 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: Yes, the desire is there. 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: This today's decision was an economics decision, and really it 28 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: comes down to the value of what those fifth year 29 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: options are. And just to be clear this this is 30 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty six seasons. So now Kyle Hamilton 31 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: will be under contract through twenty twenty five and twenty 32 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: twenty six. Tyler Linerbaum is going into a contract year 33 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, but he could get an extension beforehand. 34 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: Both of them are eligible for contract extensions at any point. 35 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: That could happen tomorrow if the team wanted, if the 36 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: two sides wanted to do that, that's correct. Or again, 37 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: for Hamilton, he's now under contract for two more years 38 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: and this is the final year of Linderbaum's contract. 39 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: So the fifth year option for Kyle Hamilton is eighteen 40 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: point six million. That's what it would cost the Ravens 41 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: under the salary cap in twenty twenty six. For Tyler Linderbaum, however, 42 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: it's twenty it would have been twenty three point four 43 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: million dollars. Now, both those are higher because they're two 44 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 1: time Pro Bowl players, So had they knocked on to 45 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowls, it wouldn't have been so pricey. 46 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: But of course you like that they're good players. 47 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a good problem to have, and also 48 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 2: like you've got to pay more for a good player. 49 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: Right now, the question is, wow, why is Tyler Linnerbaum's 50 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: twenty four or twenty three point four so much higher 51 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: than Hamilton's eighteen point six. That's because centers are lumped 52 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: in with all offensive linemen, including left tackles for example, 53 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: who get. 54 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 3: Paid big, big, big, big, big bucks. 55 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: And that's how they determine these is average contact contract salaries. 56 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: So you know that makes his more costly. 57 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: And I think that's why the Ravens did not pick 58 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: up that fifth year option. So you break this down 59 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: and really, if Tyler Linderbaum's salary of twenty three point 60 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: four million and twenty twenty six, it would have been 61 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: more than five million dollars higher than Creed Humphreys twenty 62 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: twenty six. 63 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 2: So and create Humphrey the Center for the Kansas City 64 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: Chiefs is currently the highest paid center in the league 65 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 2: in terms of annual per year mind. 66 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: Right, So you would have been spending five million dollars 67 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: over that over the highest paid guy. And so I 68 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: think that's really what it boiled down to is market 69 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: price here. And whereas Kyle Hamilton his eighteen point six 70 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 1: million dollars that he is currently slated to earn under 71 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: that fifty year option, if he plays out that fifth 72 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: year option, that would rank the eighth highest salary cap 73 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: number among safeties in twenty twenty six. 74 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: So a much better deal for the Ravens. 75 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, because Kyle Hamilton, I think we'd probably all agree, 76 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: is certainly higher than the eighth best safety. 77 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, right. And so the way that they determine those numbers, 78 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: because both of these players are two time Pro Bowlers, 79 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: they get paid what the franchise tag is at that 80 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: position for the fifth year option. So that's what the 81 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: franchise tag is for those positions, and the franchise tag 82 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: is determined based essentially by the highest average salary of 83 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: the top five player top five paid players at those positions. 84 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: And so I think when you break it down the 85 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: way you just did, I think it makes sense. And 86 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 2: I also like the honest truth is, I'm just not 87 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: all that concerned about it. 88 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 3: I think it's more. 89 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: Contract maneuvering salary cap management than anything else, because I 90 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: think it's only a matter of time until the tweet 91 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: drops across someone's timeline that says we've worked out a 92 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 2: long term extension with Kyle Hamilton, We've worked out a 93 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: long term extension with Tyler Lindon. 94 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 3: Like, I feel like those. 95 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: Things are going to happen, and Eric said in his 96 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: statement they want to work towards that with both of 97 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: these players, and when the Ravens want to work out 98 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: long term deals with homegrown players, that generally happens. Like 99 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: there's a really good track record of that of them 100 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 2: wanting to do it and then getting it done. Both 101 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: these players seem like they want to be here. I 102 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: just think it's only a matter of time for both 103 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: of these players. 104 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 3: I completely agree with that. 105 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: I think that there's a fairly decent chance that Kyle 106 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: Hamilton probably won't even see that fifth year option, won't 107 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: play under that number because they get a deal done beforehand. 108 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: This does start the clock a little bit more on 109 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: Tyler Linnerbaum getting a deal done with him, as we've 110 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: spoken before on this podcast, I've said I think that 111 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: Lennerbaum Linnerbaum's probably comes before Hamilton's for this exact reason, 112 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: not because they value one player more than the other, 113 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: but because this of this clock they have a little 114 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: bit longer runway with Kyle Hamilton. 115 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: YEP. Now, both of these players were at the very 116 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: first day of voluntary workouts last week, and they talked 117 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: with the media on that day, and both of them 118 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: answered a handful of questions about their contract status and 119 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: whether they had whether they've had talks, and both of 120 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: them basically said they're not pressing the issue, they're not 121 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 2: worried about it, they feel good about their relationship with 122 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: the organization, they have an agent, they let their agent 123 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: handle those things, and so so basically, based on what 124 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 2: we heard from them, neither of them were pressing the 125 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: issue of saying like they were. Look, they were here 126 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: for the start of voluntary offseason workouts, and so neither 127 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: of them were in any sort of public way indicating 128 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: like you need to get this deal done before the season. 129 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: They're not grumbling about their contracts by any stretch of 130 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: the imagination. Exactly exactly the opposite, And they both like 131 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: I'm focused on being a better football player, focus. 132 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: On making a better player, and it's gonna get done. 133 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 2: When it gets done, I'm not worried about it. 134 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: Two genuine guys who aren't just saying that to say 135 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: that also like that's that's just who they are. 136 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 2: And again like they were both here on the start 137 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: of voluntary. 138 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 3: Carol Linnebaum, I'm not sure he ever left the building. 139 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 2: He just sleeps in the locker room. 140 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 3: Video just work it out with some of the other 141 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: iliven I know, I know. 142 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: So all right, let's take a break and when we 143 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: come back, we'll talk about maybe what the framework for 144 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: those extensions could look like for both players. 145 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 2: You're listening to the podcast, We're coming to you from 146 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: the seat Geek Studio. We want to give a shout 147 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: out to our partners at Draft King Sportsbook. They are 148 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 2: an official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draft 149 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: King Sports Book. The Crown is yours. 150 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: So Eric DeCosta made it clear that the Ravens are 151 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: working on these long term extensions with Kyle Hamilton and 152 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum. And the good news is there's already kind 153 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: of a roadmap and we've seen this in years past 154 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson's contract extension right just before that Jalen 155 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: Hurts just what the day or two beforehand before Lamar 156 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: signed his contract, then Lamar becomes the highest fake guy, right. 157 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: So it's with these market resetting contracts it often behooves 158 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: a team to have kind of somebody do it right 159 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: before right, it can at least it can at least help. 160 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: So for Kyle Hamilton, now it depends on do they 161 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: get that extension worked out this offseason or does it 162 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: come next off season before he works out the fifth 163 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: year option. If it were to be done this soft season. 164 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: The most recent big safety contract was signed by Kirby 165 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: Joseph of the Detroit Lions. He became the highest paid 166 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: safety in NFL history, just edging out the next guy, 167 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: right and and so his number average is twenty one 168 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: point two five million dollars per year for Kirby Joseph. 169 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: So, like. 170 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton could certainly reset the market whenever he signs 171 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: his deal, that would not be surprising if he becomes 172 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: the top paid safety in the league. Yea, the twenty 173 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: one point twenty five is the top right now, so 174 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: it would probably be you're looking in the twenty two 175 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: million dollar range if it's done this offseason, and who knows, 176 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: who knows if it's not done this offseason, how much 177 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: would it go up next offseason? 178 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: Who else is due? 179 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: Right, That's all those are the factors probably the Ravens 180 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: are looking at. 181 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly. And so the thing that's interesting when it 182 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: comes to a player like Hamilton is because he is 183 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: now under contract through the next two seasons, there's like this, 184 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: there's this balancing act of hey, let's get the deal 185 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: done in advance, because then the longer you wait, the 186 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: more you end up paying. Versus well, he's on his 187 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: rookie contract right now, so he's at a really good 188 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: team value for this season. 189 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: Scording too overthecap dot Com, Kyle Hamilton's cappit for this 190 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: year's five point one seven million dollars. So you don't 191 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: really like that. That's a very good number for the Ravens. 192 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: You don't really like to give that up because if 193 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: you were to sign a contract extension, sure you can 194 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: move the money around any way you want, but presumably 195 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: as year one cap pit would probably be more than that. 196 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: If he's at signing a contract averaging twenty two million 197 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: dollars per year for example. Yeah, so that wouldn't have 198 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: to necessarily but probably more than five point one. 199 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: Right, And so you know the flip side is is 200 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 2: you wait and that twenty two grows to twenty five 201 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: because other guys get a deal done or whatever. The 202 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: longer you wait, the more than on the more the 203 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: market continues to just accelerate. And so how does that 204 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: affect things? And so that's all part of the calculation. 205 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: Like if I'm look, I don't know, and these conversations 206 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: between agents and the front officer kept very private, so 207 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: like we're not clued into that. But like it wouldn't 208 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: surprise me if Hamilton played out this year and then 209 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 2: got a deal done prior to prior to playing out 210 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: his fifth year option. 211 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 3: Not surprised me at all. 212 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: And like that's what's that has happened in a similar way, 213 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: Like that's basically what happened with Nom Deimatabik. The difference 214 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 2: was the ravens us a franchise tag on Nomdemata Bik, 215 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: but then worked out the extension before he ever played 216 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: under that tag. 217 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit different with Kyle Hamilton 218 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: and Nomdi because Nomdy hadn't really had his breakout season yet. 219 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: I just mean that the yeah, the the year there, 220 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: the franchise tag or the fifth year option is basically 221 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: it makes you feel good because you know he's going 222 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: to be on the team, but then you can still 223 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 2: work towards a long term deal before you ever play 224 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: out that year. 225 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: Completely agree, Yeah, I think that the Ravens and these 226 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: kind of corner stone pieces like Kyle Hamilton and Tyler 227 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: and Baumbat are they're partners, right, and they genuinely want 228 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: to make it work for both sides. And if if 229 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton plays out this year on his five point 230 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: one seven million dollar contract and you're going and he 231 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: has another great year and he's healthy and all those things, 232 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: and you're getting ready to go into that fifth year 233 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: option and he's still that would now let's say he's 234 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: slated to be the tenth highest paid safety in the league, Like, 235 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: it wouldn't surprise me if the Rams like, all right, ay, 236 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: we want to have this guy here long, long term, 237 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: so we don't even want to play in under this 238 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: on this fifth year option contract, and be like, let's 239 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 1: be partners here and make it a more equitable contract, right, 240 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, like we all can acknowledge that you're better, 241 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: way better than the tenth best safety in the league. 242 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: Let's get a deal done, you know that works for 243 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: both sides. Like that's kind of how I envision this. 244 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then i'd say with Linderbaum, like as we 245 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: talked about, there's a little bit more of a it's 246 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: a little bit more expedited because he is now going 247 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 2: into the last year of his contract. He doesn't have 248 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: that fifth year option. So, like, it wouldn't surprise me 249 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: if the Ravens worked out an extension even prior to 250 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: this season because they don't want him to play out 251 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: that contractor then and then you know, go into free agency. 252 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: Well, we mentioned the contract comp for Kyle Hamilton and 253 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,239 Speaker 1: Kirby Joseph. Well, there's also kind of a roadmap potentially 254 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: for an extension with Tyler Linderbaum. So Cam Jurgens of 255 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles just recently reached a sixty eight million 256 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: dollar four year deal at averages seventeen million dollars per 257 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: year with the Eagles. He's in the same draft class, 258 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two class, as Tyler Linderbaum. So that 259 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: put Cam Jurgens one million dollars in terms of average 260 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: salary per year below Creed Humphrey of the Chiefs. So 261 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: I would expect that Tyler Linderbaum's probably in that seventeen 262 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: to maybe nineteen if used to become the highest paid 263 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: center and reset the market somewhere in that range is 264 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: what I would expect for Tyler Linderbaum. 265 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like, as you mentioned with the Jalen Hurts 266 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson example, when you have a deal of a 267 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: somewhat comparable player in place, like basically a re a 268 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 2: market resetting deal, then that often the next market resetting 269 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: deal is kind of like, Okay, I want one dollar 270 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: more than that guy, you know, and like, and we've 271 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: seen that with players from other teams to wide receiver 272 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: cornerback like that that's how it goes. And so like, 273 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: if you have that framework in place, then you know 274 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 2: that you're what you're working towards. And I think it's 275 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: only like it wouldn't surprise me if it happens at 276 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: any point for Linderbaum or Hamilton, And I think that, 277 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 2: like again, I think it all just comes down to 278 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: the salary cap management and then putting yourself in position 279 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: where you can just work towards those long term deals. 280 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: Well, when it had the Ravens picked up the fifth 281 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: year option for Tyler Linderbaum, he and his agent could 282 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: have been like, you know what, now, we don't want 283 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: to sign a contract extension yet because I want to 284 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: I want to make the twenty three you know in 285 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty twenty three million, you know, like it might 286 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: have the fifth year option could have potentially been more 287 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: enticing to them than necessarily working out a long term deal. 288 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: Then they could have been like, I'm gonna play it 289 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: out in the fifth year and then we'll get that 290 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: contract done. 291 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: But I'm gonna be like. 292 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: Way higher, way above the average per year of the 293 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: highest paid center for twenty twenty six. Right, So like 294 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: it almost by not picking up the fifth year option 295 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: almost makes the likelihood and I think the negotiations towards 296 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: a long term deal on both sides more likely. 297 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's it's hard to say with everybody's 298 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 2: motivation is because some players like it's always interesting. Some 299 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: players have the attitude of like I like the for 300 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: I always remember when Judah was here and he played 301 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: under the franchise tag and he was like, this is 302 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: the most money I've ever made in my life, and 303 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 2: like this is guaranteed for one year, guaranteed, Like it's great, 304 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: and like you've seen that with like Kirk Cousins as 305 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 2: an example, like that has done like the franchise tag 306 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: and the one year deals, and other players want the 307 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: long term security and so like there's pros and cons 308 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: each way. Ye, and it's hard to know exactly like 309 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: for what player, what is like the motivating factor what 310 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: they really want. But yeah, I think it's just I 311 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: think as a matter of time. 312 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: To me, today's news was a the Ravens had to 313 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: make a decision on this your option. There was a 314 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: deadline tomorrow's deadline exactly. But it's kind of it's a 315 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: bus decision that doesn't actually change the operation here, you 316 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it doesn't change the outlook 317 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: on this whole contract extension future for Kyle Hamilton and Tylan. 318 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, they had to make a decision. You have to 319 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: make a decision check yes or no. And we all 320 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: know what we're working towards here, yep. And so I 321 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: think that like I'm with you on that one hundred percent. 322 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, you can always reads at the 323 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net and we have 324 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: a special treat for you coming up next. General Manager 325 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: Eric DaCosta is going to join us to break down 326 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: this year's draft. We always get some really great insights 327 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: from him when he has you know, you take a 328 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: breather take. Although he's been working out this fifth year contract, 329 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: so they might have known this for a while, so 330 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: you know, take a few days off to kind of 331 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: let it settle in, and then he sits down with 332 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: us as he has in years past to kind of 333 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: get into the nitty gritty of the draft. So really 334 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: excited for that one. Make sure you tune in, make 335 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: sure subscribed, leave us a rating and review. 336 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening.