Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's Matt here and I just wanted to
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Speaker 2: Look may oh, I see you my own bow and
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Speaker 1: It's tough to be speechless on a day when you
Speaker 1: have to record a podcast because the art form requires
Speaker 1: you talk.
Speaker 3: It feels unfair, like I don't want to be at
Speaker 3: work right now because I'm very much like transcending existence,
Speaker 3: like physical space.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: It's all, it's all really kind of let up to honestly, bo,
Speaker 2: maybe this has to be the series fantasite of the series.
Speaker 3: So this is the last episode of Last Coulture. Thank
Speaker 3: you all so much for the joining.
Speaker 2: Us all these years. It had to end this way.
Speaker 2: I will always remember us this way. I always remember
Speaker 2: us this way.
Speaker 3: And you started off the show saying speechless too, you're real.
Speaker 2: We have to say you're rattling them off. Third, let's
Speaker 2: see we nailed it. We nailed it. This is why
Speaker 2: don't you see how you feel?
Speaker 3: I mean, this is one of the most important people
Speaker 3: to me, one of the most I said this at
Speaker 3: the Radio City show for us and L fifty, my
Speaker 3: favorite artist in the world.
Speaker 2: I left my body. Well we'll talk about this.
Speaker 3: I left my body because you you said hi, and
Speaker 3: then you turn around and go wait cheers on stage.
Speaker 2: Hearing that you guys watched her together was a huge
Speaker 2: moment for me.
Speaker 3: Even yeah, for everybody, but I mean, we're we're just
Speaker 3: so happy she's here.
Speaker 2: The album Mayhem might be out already.
Speaker 1: Oh it's out, depending on when this comes out. So
Speaker 1: you have to have grace, everybody, because we've listened to
Speaker 1: the album one and a half times where we were
Speaker 1: brought to a secure location where we were basically told, okay,
Speaker 1: we're going to listen to this and if we want
Speaker 1: to go back, we listen to parts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a bunker.
Speaker 3: It was like where they keep all the designated survivors
Speaker 3: in case of like fallout designated.
Speaker 2: But it is perfect. We were ecstatic listening to it,
Speaker 2: and as you all know, at this point, it's brilliant.
Speaker 2: We think it's our guest best work, which is saying
Speaker 2: something going to hang a lot.
Speaker 3: She's a fourteen time Grammy winner, Kademy Award winner, Army
Speaker 3: Award winner, so many more accolades on top of that. Everyone,
Speaker 3: please welcome into your ears lady so much.
Speaker 5: I am so so happy to be here.
Speaker 2: I have the joy of our lives.
Speaker 5: I know it's the joy of mine.
Speaker 6: I was so excited to see you both, and I
Speaker 6: just want to say also, congratulations to both of you.
Speaker 6: You are doing such amazing things. It's amazing to watch
Speaker 6: had an amazing year, and I'm just like really excited
Speaker 6: to be here. You're also wearing a Joan Era T shirt, killing.
Speaker 3: Me had I feel like I've only ever like dry
Speaker 3: cleaned this shirt because I want to preserve it.
Speaker 5: So I don't think I dry cleaned anything during time.
Speaker 2: You Sti'll get the bud light on those are Those
Speaker 2: are being sold at auction in days. You have to
Speaker 2: tell Gaga about your Joeanne tour experience.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so you played met Life here. Yes, it
Speaker 3: was pouring rain.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 5: I love a rango.
Speaker 3: I love a rangehow too, So Diana Ross, I was, oh,
Speaker 3: because I remember you said the show it's free production exactly.
Speaker 5: You don't pay for the rain.
Speaker 3: You don't pay for the rain now and the rain
Speaker 3: kind of follows you because I feel like Mary the Night.
Speaker 3: It was the same thing too in the video for that,
Speaker 3: it was like.
Speaker 6: Oh, yes, that was I was. I can't believe that
Speaker 6: I got away with that. We were exploding cars.
Speaker 2: You had a roof for the building production value.
Speaker 6: And it was raining and they were like, you know,
Speaker 6: we have to stop production because it's raining in the cameras,
Speaker 6: and I said.
Speaker 5: Roll the camera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna miss it.
Speaker 3: You had a Vivo interview. This is a throwback to Vivo,
Speaker 3: and you were just in an amazing APay. You had
Speaker 3: sunglasses on. You're telling this antecdote about Marry the Night,
Speaker 3: and at one point you just pull your glasses down
Speaker 3: and go, we got free rain.
Speaker 2: Camera.
Speaker 6: Well, because you know, when you're putting a music video together,
Speaker 6: there's so many things you want to do, I mean,
Speaker 6: and everything is you know, adds to the budget, and
Speaker 6: I'm trying to like weigh what thing is more important
Speaker 6: than the other. And that wasn't actually supposed to be
Speaker 6: a rain scene at all, but then it happened and
Speaker 6: like rain on fire come on.
Speaker 1: So much too much like Universal Studios things happening.
Speaker 6: Yes, it was exciting, and then naturally I thought it
Speaker 6: would be a good idea to hang upside down from
Speaker 6: the sun roof of the car the transam.
Speaker 2: The transam. Yeah, it was a gorgeous trans am.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I was sick as a dog that City Field show.
Speaker 3: I don't know what did I say meant like I said,
Speaker 3: I met city.
Speaker 5: Field, Okay, but I agreed to Met Life.
Speaker 2: Because we've also seen you there.
Speaker 6: Well, but I you know, I when I play shows, like,
Speaker 6: I get so tired on the road that like sometimes
Speaker 6: I forget the venue for which tour of.
Speaker 1: Course, yeah, you know, I would imagine it's like one
Speaker 1: of THO schedules where it's like, you don't want this
Speaker 1: to happen, but you could yell out Barcelona and you no.
Speaker 5: We can't do that, nor that is not good.
Speaker 3: I know we've seen you, Gosh, we've been lucky to
Speaker 3: see you in multiple venues now because it's a city
Speaker 3: Field MetLife. We saw one of the shows a Tony
Speaker 3: at Radio.
Speaker 2: Radio City the last show. We were there, what.
Speaker 5: You know, it's so funny.
Speaker 6: At the sn L fifty concert the other night, I
Speaker 6: was nervous to do Dick in a Box, Yeah, because
Speaker 6: like I feel like, you know, if you're a comedian,
Speaker 6: being asked to do Who's On First is probably like
Speaker 6: really like you know so and to me, Dick in
Speaker 6: a Box with a classic of course. So I was like,
Speaker 6: oh my god, why did I agree to do this?
Speaker 6: And then I was, you know, walking through the theater
Speaker 6: and I remembered that I had been the last time
Speaker 6: i'd been there was with Tony, and I was like,
Speaker 6: you know, Tony would have just said, don't be nervous,
Speaker 6: or if you are nervous, it's because you care, and
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 3: Care, absolutely okay. But a comedian doing Who's On First?
Speaker 3: Is like you It's like it's like you singing laveon
Speaker 3: Rose or something on film. It's like, I feel like
Speaker 3: You've inhabited all of these classics for your entire life.
Speaker 3: I feel like you were playing rockmanonof at four whatever
Speaker 3: the fuck? Like have you been doing this your whole life?
Speaker 6: I have been. I have been, and it's it's but
Speaker 6: I love so much being a part of entertainment, like
Speaker 6: in like the truest sense, I don't mean anymore than
Speaker 6: the thrill of the good old fashioned hard work with
Speaker 6: other actors, other musicians, stage designers, costume makers, makeup artists,
Speaker 6: wig makers, the lighting and like backstage at Arsenal fifty
Speaker 6: was insane. We were all like getting ready to go
Speaker 6: on and then like you know, a human squid would
Speaker 6: walk by, like then the B fifty two s would
Speaker 6: be there, and then you know someone would be getting there,
Speaker 6: you know, wig thrown on and it was just I
Speaker 6: don't know. I think that that's my favorite part of
Speaker 6: show business, right is the show of it all.
Speaker 3: The because something about that concert which we talked to
Speaker 3: Kevin Maser, who, by the way, photographer, Yes, do you
Speaker 3: want to hear something?
Speaker 2: Yes, my mom's boyfriend from high school. Can you believe, Oh.
Speaker 5: That's some piping hot tea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm from Long Island. He took my mom to prom.
Speaker 1: And every time I see him now mad he comes
Speaker 1: over like he's just.
Speaker 2: He's he's he's the guy. He's the guy.
Speaker 3: But y'all, reader's Katy's pulp is Finals, Kyle's Kevin Mazer
Speaker 3: the like live.
Speaker 6: Event I've known him for so long? Can I ask
Speaker 6: your mom in his name Katrina?
Speaker 5: I'm so you know I see him.
Speaker 6: I feel like, so I heard about Katrina.
Speaker 2: I love Katrina. She had an iconic high school name. Yes. Sweet.
Speaker 3: I was checking with him on Sunday. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, Friday, Well, like, what was that about?
Speaker 3: I go you'r you? You go to all of these things, Kevin,
Speaker 3: where does that rank among your nights? And he was like,
Speaker 3: that is one of the top.
Speaker 6: Three first, Yeah, it was one of the greatest nights
Speaker 6: in entertainment. And I heard it took two years to play, yeah,
Speaker 6: And I felt really emotional.
Speaker 5: I like couldn't figure.
Speaker 6: Out exactly what I wanted to say on stage. I
Speaker 6: ultimately decided to shout out Mark Ronson and the Roots
Speaker 6: because Mark and I wrote Shallow together and the Roots
Speaker 6: were playing it with me and I love them so much,
Speaker 6: and I was I almost said, like, and thank you
Speaker 6: to Lauren and SNL because like, thanks for giving me
Speaker 6: a shot on the show years ago, because like SNL
Speaker 6: also helps.
Speaker 5: Break artists and it's a huge deal.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you I mean, I know that
Speaker 6: people know this, but I don't know that they know
Speaker 6: how much it means to the artist when we get
Speaker 6: booked for the show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean to this.
Speaker 6: Day, when I got called to do double duty, double
Speaker 6: do double duty in a couple of weeks, full panic tears.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, so so happy, so elated. I couldn't be
Speaker 6: more proud. It was the thing that I wanted to
Speaker 6: do the most to promote my record and.
Speaker 5: To just make people happy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to happen. We're recording this before SNL. Yes,
Speaker 3: we're coming right off of the celebration of the fifty.
Speaker 3: But I mean when when they told me that they
Speaker 3: both do you for double Duty.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be incredible, scream. I scrummed. I just I.
Speaker 5: Was so excited.
Speaker 6: To me, Like I say to people, I'm in the
Speaker 6: business of making people smile, and that is one hundred
Speaker 6: percent how I feel about SNL.
Speaker 5: It's just that it is.
Speaker 6: It is a night devoted to making people laugh at home,
Speaker 6: and I'm all about it.
Speaker 3: But you literally embodied and capture that. And the last
Speaker 3: time you hosted, which was that like Jazzy Applause cover,
Speaker 3: I still watch. It's like a pitch perfect. It is
Speaker 3: everything the monologue should be. Thank you that's the tone
Speaker 3: for the show. It introduces, not that you needed introduction,
Speaker 3: especially at that time or now, but it's like that
Speaker 3: was the perfect way to build confidence for the audience
Speaker 3: that the show was going to be great.
Speaker 5: It was like such a privilege to do that.
Speaker 6: And I'm a theater kid from New York, so doing
Speaker 6: the SNL monologue is a big it is a huge deal,
Speaker 6: and you know, I just don't I don't know that
Speaker 6: I ever imagined that I would end up doing that.
Speaker 5: I think I had a lot more confidence that.
Speaker 6: I would, you know, just be a songwriter, singer, producer
Speaker 6: for as long as possible.
Speaker 5: But I didn't know that I would get embraced in
Speaker 5: that way.
Speaker 6: And that's what's cool about, you know, hosting and doing
Speaker 6: musical guests too, is being the host the monologue.
Speaker 5: The monologue is separate.
Speaker 6: From being an actor in the skip, absolutely, and then
Speaker 6: that's also separate from being the artist on stage as
Speaker 6: a musical guest. So it's like I get to kind
Speaker 6: of do all the things that I like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just thinking about how like you talk about
Speaker 1: what an amazing moment that is as an artist to
Speaker 1: be asked to do that show and even in Starsborn.
Speaker 1: It's almost like an emotional like moment in the film
Speaker 1: when Ali is told you're doing SNL. It's like that
Speaker 1: and getting a Grammy nomination are both moments for that
Speaker 1: character in that movie. Yes, did anything from that experience
Speaker 1: influence the decision to do Shallow on SNL fifty because
Speaker 1: you have so many songs you could have done, but
Speaker 1: you chose shallow.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 6: First of all, one of the reasons that that was
Speaker 6: included in A Star Is Born is because a lot
Speaker 6: of A Star Is Born was inspired by my real
Speaker 6: life and I worked really really close with Bradley and
Speaker 6: Eric on making sure that, like the story of these
Speaker 6: two musicians felt real. And so that kind of feeling
Speaker 6: around SNL and around a Grammy is that's just like
Speaker 6: how it actually felt.
Speaker 2: Truly important to you, And so that's reflected in that.
Speaker 6: And Shallow to.
Speaker 5: Me is the song I wish I had done on SNL.
Speaker 6: And when Andy and I started talking about doing Dick
Speaker 6: in a Box, he came to me and he said,
Speaker 6: I had this idea that we started off and you
Speaker 6: start with shallow, and I started and it's like, doesn't
Speaker 6: sound good, and then you said, you know, and we
Speaker 6: did the whole thing, and when I watched the rehearsal,
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, like, but now maybe they kind
Speaker 6: of they might want to hear.
Speaker 5: Because we started and.
Speaker 6: It doesn't go. So I thought I thought it would
Speaker 6: be a chance to do that and also to kind
Speaker 6: of put some of my best work forward on a
Speaker 6: show that deserves your best work, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: Like to me, when I see artists perform on SNL,
Speaker 6: like we all try to put our best foot forward,
Speaker 6: and so yeah, I just I wanted it to be
Speaker 6: like a heartwarming moment, hopefully for people at home too.
Speaker 6: I mean, I do lack lots of different things. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm also into the dark arts and the
Speaker 6: portray of pop music, and Shallow is very different than
Speaker 6: a lot of the music I've done in my career.
Speaker 6: But it's an important song to me because it helped
Speaker 6: me to connect with people that otherwise maybe didn't know
Speaker 6: if they could connect with someone like me, like maybe
Speaker 6: they didn't relate to me as much, or maybe they
Speaker 6: didn't know someone like me in high school. So you know,
Speaker 6: Shallow is an important song to me for that reason,
Speaker 6: and it just felt like the right one to do.
Speaker 1: I remember the chromatica ball like that, which was such
Speaker 1: a party. But we went with like fifteen of our friends,
Speaker 1: and when you started Shallow, we all were like checking
Speaker 1: in with each other, like this is really happening, Like
Speaker 1: we're hearing Shallow. It is like a high point of culture.
Speaker 3: Sixty thousand people at Met Life, A hush fell, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like you could hear a pin drop,
Speaker 3: you know. It was just one of those sublime moments.
Speaker 3: And I think I remember like looking up at the
Speaker 3: crowd just being like I was shooting a movie in Charlotte.
Speaker 2: I flew back for that show. I was like I'm
Speaker 2: not missing God, No, I like it was just a
Speaker 2: culmination of like.
Speaker 3: That era which was like kind of was a glorious
Speaker 3: era that got kind of messed up by the pandemic,
Speaker 3: and like it just felt like this victory lap and
Speaker 3: this like culmination of like what everybody wanted to celebrate
Speaker 3: together with you.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 6: It was a really special tour to me. I hadn't
Speaker 6: seen my fans really on tour since I had to
Speaker 6: stop the Joint World tour right and I and I
Speaker 6: was like really not well during that time, and it
Speaker 6: totally broke my heart to have to cancel and that
Speaker 6: that was the That was the second tour that that
Speaker 6: happened on. So I was a little bit nervous about
Speaker 6: going out for CHROMATICA.
Speaker 5: I was like, am I going to be able to
Speaker 5: do it?
Speaker 6: You know? Am I going to be in pain when
Speaker 6: I'm on stage? What's it going to be like? And
Speaker 6: it was amazing. I had the best time. Also, my
Speaker 6: amazing partner Michael was with me. He came with me
Speaker 6: the entire tour. We were together during the prep for
Speaker 6: the tour. We lived in Leeds while we put the toy,
Speaker 6: which is like very funny having a brutalist stage in
Speaker 6: the middle of that music.
Speaker 2: That was incredible, good.
Speaker 6: Thank you, But it was you know, it was special
Speaker 6: and healing and I think in a way it kind
Speaker 6: of set me up for this next time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta say, just hear me talk about being
Speaker 3: in service of the idea of entertainment. I think it
Speaker 3: means to me what I hear is that Like for
Speaker 3: a while, I always thought about you as like someone
Speaker 3: who is perpetually being a student to the concept of fame.
Speaker 3: But I think what it's very quickly become and like
Speaker 3: even sooner than I realized was you are a student
Speaker 3: of entertainment and it's not the same thing, obviously, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 6: I mean I think you're right about Earlier, earlier in
Speaker 6: my career, I was a student of fame and I
Speaker 6: was fascinated with it and it was a part of
Speaker 6: my art and I studied it. I was like, really
Speaker 6: really fascinated with Andy Warh and I tried to sort
Speaker 6: of take the spirit of Warhol into my pop shows,
Speaker 6: like even like the choices of you know, the music
Speaker 6: with the lighting and a you know, a piss yellow
Speaker 6: wig that would have been one of you know, his screenprints.
Speaker 6: Like it was all about this idea that anyone could
Speaker 6: become a star if they if they studied how. But
Speaker 6: the thing that I didn't know what would happen was
Speaker 6: my fans, Like I didn't know who they would be.
Speaker 6: I didn't know how it would make me feel. I
Speaker 6: also did not anticipate. But I'm so glad that I
Speaker 6: did hear the stories of people all over the world.
Speaker 6: I mean I would stop outside my hotel rooms and
Speaker 6: I would talk to fans. I would invite fans backstage
Speaker 6: after the shows. I would play demos fans years before
Speaker 6: I released music, and like, what do you think of this,
Speaker 6: Let's talk about it.
Speaker 5: What's your home life like?
Speaker 6: And they would tell me about their lives, and so
Speaker 6: I've grown up. It's almost been two decades in public.
Speaker 6: It's definitely been two decades for me as a recording artist.
Speaker 6: But I kind of grew up and I changed. I
Speaker 6: was a student of fame, but I ultimately decided that
Speaker 6: the reason I want to do this is to make
Speaker 6: people happy with art. And then like now, I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't know if my fans really know this about
Speaker 6: me now, but I warm up my voice twice a
Speaker 6: day and I practice piano every day, and I am
Speaker 6: like working harder than ever in the dance studio. So
Speaker 6: I like, keep up my chops because to me, that
Speaker 6: hard work is what my fans deserve. And also it's
Speaker 6: to me that's like the privilege of being an artist
Speaker 6: is that you get to work on your craft. And
Speaker 6: I want to be able to say that I'm getting
Speaker 6: better at it.
Speaker 5: Not that I've done it already, and that's that, you.
Speaker 1: Know what We have to talk though about your vocals
Speaker 1: on this new album, Like we we listened to it,
Speaker 1: like we said. I turned to Bobby, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, how do you do it?
Speaker 5: Is?
Speaker 2: It is so.
Speaker 1: Olympic what you do with your voice. And I would
Speaker 1: imagine you said you're warming up twice a day. I
Speaker 1: would imagine your vo whole warm upstore, what like half
Speaker 1: hour long. So you're really in the pocket on this.
Speaker 1: Like the rock vocals that are not easy to do,
Speaker 1: the passion with which you sing. When you're recording and
Speaker 1: you're putting songs like these together, do you go back
Speaker 1: and back and back vocally or how can you do that?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 6: I actually poor poor Andrew and Circuit in the studio
Speaker 6: at Ksofflstein when we were doing vocals, I would sometimes do.
Speaker 2: Like fifty takes wow.
Speaker 6: And they were very you know, supportive, and it was fine.
Speaker 6: But the reason is because when I'm writing music, I'm
Speaker 6: sometimes imagining someone else is singing it.
Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, because it helps me.
Speaker 6: To kind of embody the spirit of a superstar. Because
Speaker 6: I know I didn't, like always feel very confident as
Speaker 6: a kid, and that stayed with me my whole life.
Speaker 6: So during the writing process when I wrote Born this Way,
Speaker 6: I was actually thinking.
Speaker 5: About with you Houston, Wow. And so I love that
Speaker 5: you knew that.
Speaker 6: No, but I so I was thinking always about different people.
Speaker 6: But then when I get there to sing it, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I could sing this in.
Speaker 5: A lot of different ways. How should I sing it?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 6: Take one, I do it one way. Take two, I
Speaker 6: do it another way. By take eight, I've sunk into
Speaker 6: it differently.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Take sixteen, I go, I'm gonna try something completely different,
Speaker 6: scratch at all. And so I think what you are
Speaker 6: hearing on this album is that I was actually pretty
Speaker 6: pretty bossy actually in the studio about about getting the
Speaker 6: best possible vocal and also pushing myself to do things
Speaker 6: that I've never done on a record before. I don't
Speaker 6: think I sound on this album like I sound on it.
Speaker 1: I know so many vocal discoveries on this and so
Speaker 1: many This is crazy to say, because you're always so
Speaker 1: many different characters in your music which you're you're speaking to,
Speaker 1: but so many more than ever, and new characters.
Speaker 5: That we're hearing, yes, and which character is going to
Speaker 5: tell that story?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And why?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean I remember there was this very early early
Speaker 3: interview of yours where it was for V magazine, and
Speaker 3: it was like you were in like Mario Testino made
Speaker 3: you get all like tanned, and you know, it was
Speaker 3: a very like Testino look and it was incredible. But
Speaker 3: I think it was someone I would think it was
Speaker 3: John Norris. It fuse was asking you about like you
Speaker 3: brought up faith no More. And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is not what I expected Gaga to like love
Speaker 3: and like zero in on. This is like the real
Speaker 3: musical taste that she has, and then it would shift
Speaker 3: to like, oh, but then this bitch knows the Great
Speaker 3: American songbook like the Bag and then it's like wait,
Speaker 3: and then she also like she's like the classically trained
Speaker 3: pianist and she like fucking knows like all of these.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I didn't want not mean to call you
Speaker 2: a bitch. No, you said this, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: No, it's like wait, hold on, my soul is on
Speaker 7: my body, this bitch, this bitch, I do, yes, I do,
Speaker 7: thank you, period.
Speaker 3: And like, I just think the characters are not so
Speaker 3: much characters as they are the knowledge and this and
Speaker 3: being the student of music of entertainment like you embody
Speaker 3: all of these things. And so I think with Mayhem,
Speaker 3: I think with this album, it's like Bobby was saying
Speaker 3: that this is probably the most authentically you album you've
Speaker 3: ever put out. That makes me think, well, then there's
Speaker 3: something to Gaga being an amalgamation of all these different
Speaker 3: things and these genres and these studied, detailed musical exercises.
Speaker 3: I guess, but like, that's who you are because I
Speaker 3: couldn't boil you down to one thing, and I'm sure
Speaker 3: you couldn't either.
Speaker 6: No, I mean I am definitely all of these things,
Speaker 6: and that that's what Mayhem is.
Speaker 5: It's a celebration of all of that.
Speaker 6: And you know, it's so funny as you're talking about
Speaker 6: this too, I'm like thinking about this moment where Michael
Speaker 6: Michael was in the.
Speaker 5: Studio every day.
Speaker 6: Michael executive produced the record to me, and there was
Speaker 6: at one point I was like really into this electro
Speaker 6: grunge sound like on Perfect Celebrity. I'm like, I'm like, OK,
Speaker 6: We're going to make the whole album and I'm going
Speaker 6: to change everything and he and he was like, no,
Speaker 6: you are not.
Speaker 5: You can't do that, because but he was.
Speaker 6: Right, because I am all of the different genres, all
Speaker 6: of the different approaches, all the different processes. That's why
Speaker 6: it ultimately is mayhem is because if you're stepping really
Speaker 6: far back, it like doesn't make sense. But when you
Speaker 6: put it all together, it's me and I appreciate you
Speaker 6: seeing that in me.
Speaker 5: I feel like since the beginning.
Speaker 6: Of my career there was always some type of criticism
Speaker 6: coming from somewhere of.
Speaker 5: Like, but who are you?
Speaker 6: You know? And like what is lady Gaga? And can
Speaker 6: you explain it to me? And what's your style? And
Speaker 6: you know, you know, what's what genre?
Speaker 5: Really is?
Speaker 2: I call you?
Speaker 6: What should I call you?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 6: What's your what are we supposed to?
Speaker 2: What do you really like?
Speaker 6: You know? And I think that first of all, I
Speaker 6: was terrified to make a pop record again, and I
Speaker 6: decided to do it, and I felt very supported in
Speaker 6: doing it by Michael, by my family, by you know,
Speaker 6: everyone around me. But feeling like people think you're chaotic?
Speaker 6: Is there's something There was a joy in that for
Speaker 6: a while, but there was also like a pain in
Speaker 6: that too.
Speaker 2: Is that what the fear was coming from?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, it's like, especially as a woman, people are like,
Speaker 6: you're you're chaos. Like it's kind of like part of
Speaker 6: me is like uh huh, you know, and then the
Speaker 6: other part of me is like, but what what do
Speaker 6: you mean by that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 6: And like it's kind of like you're a mess, and
Speaker 6: like you're a mess because I can't figure out how
Speaker 6: to organize you and I don't know how to think
Speaker 6: about you. And I think what I want my fans
Speaker 6: to know is like that's other people's problem, that's not
Speaker 6: your problem.
Speaker 5: You can be the whole you.
Speaker 6: And that was that was a part of this record,
Speaker 6: and I felt I felt excited as a female producer too,
Speaker 6: like just doing whatever I wanted when I wanted to
Speaker 6: in the way that I heard it. And I'm so happy,
Speaker 6: like even before we started that you brought up Killa
Speaker 6: because it's like.
Speaker 2: My it's amazing.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Well, no, you don't even know.
Speaker 1: We heard it twice and we've been like grabbing onto
Speaker 1: that in our brain like this whole album. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the album like it's like face, melty brain, scratchy heart,
Speaker 1: screamy pop dance with this theme of mortality throughout.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, and I wanted to.
Speaker 1: I know you've said before like you listen to a
Speaker 1: horror you watch a horror movie every night before you
Speaker 1: go to bed. I don't know if you're in that
Speaker 1: zone now. But the theme of death and like dancing
Speaker 1: in the face of it is obviously all over this.
Speaker 1: What I've always wanted to ask you, though, is how
Speaker 1: much are you laughing while you're creating? Like? How much
Speaker 1: is joy and humor and laughter a part of your
Speaker 1: creative process when you're making music?
Speaker 5: It's all of it? Yeah, it is.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of humor on Killa, especially what a
Speaker 6: funny record? Yes, right, write a funny mac. I'm like,
Speaker 6: not that confident. The person that wrote that record is confident.
Speaker 6: But I would say also though that it's like the
Speaker 6: process is a little bit manic, because I also get
Speaker 6: really serious, and I know I can be difficult to
Speaker 6: work with because like I'm a very warm hearted person,
Speaker 6: but when I'm like songwriting, I get like you want
Speaker 6: what you want. I'm like, I'm trying to listen to
Speaker 6: what I'm hearing and get it out as fast as possible.
Speaker 6: But then maybe I'll you know, yeah, the lyric I'm
Speaker 6: a killer and boy You're going to die tonight, and
Speaker 6: like right, and then that's funny and then that comes out.
Speaker 6: But then I get serious again because I'm trying to
Speaker 6: figure out if the guitar lick is right, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 6: it's not that when it's this windered again, like it's
Speaker 6: kind of a Yes, the process is chaotic, and I'm
Speaker 6: not also a very linear thinker. I'm very tangentile, and
Speaker 6: so some times, if I can't get one part of
Speaker 6: the song right, I will need to stay on it
Speaker 6: for three days, like a bassline or a guitar riff,
Speaker 6: and then other times I will move on from it
Speaker 6: and go I'll go like, no, no.
Speaker 5: Let's go to the pre chorus.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: You know it's it's sort of it's a very non
Speaker 6: linear process, and I love it and I love it,
Speaker 6: and I'm so like also appreciative that my partner, like
Speaker 6: he you know, the first few years that we were together,
Speaker 6: I wasn't in the studio, and when he saw me
Speaker 6: start to make music, he was like, oh my god,
Speaker 6: I've like, I've never seen you happier and when you're
Speaker 6: making music and that and that was I felt very
Speaker 6: seen by that. And I think why it is so
Speaker 6: important to me is when you grow up in the
Speaker 6: public eye, as you know, there's things that people grow
Speaker 6: to like about you, but there's things that they don't
Speaker 6: know about you, like they don't know that you. That's
Speaker 6: like maybe deep in reflection at home working on something.
Speaker 6: They know the outward you. So it feels really nice
Speaker 6: to be seen by someone for the thing that.
Speaker 5: The thing that you do alone that makes.
Speaker 6: You special, that's your gift, right, like the thing the
Speaker 6: world doesn't see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think you even alluded to this
Speaker 3: in the Oscar acceptance, where you were just like, this
Speaker 3: is hard work. There are sacrifices that need to be
Speaker 3: made to get to this point. Like the reason I'm
Speaker 3: on this stage is because I worked so hard. And
Speaker 3: that is the essential thing about you, Lady Gaga, is
Speaker 3: that you're like.
Speaker 7: You're here.
Speaker 5: I love being here. I love it. I love also.
Speaker 6: Community, So like being with you and talking with you
Speaker 6: and bonding over music is like, this is the thing
Speaker 6: I probably missed the most from my time before I
Speaker 6: became famous. I did an interview downtown last week, and
Speaker 6: I picked the location and I was like, we got
Speaker 6: to go to this bar that I used to write
Speaker 6: music at, and we did the interview there and I
Speaker 6: like cried during the interview talking about all my friends.
Speaker 5: Down there and welcome to the Johnson's Nice.
Speaker 6: And I went to Like there was a lot of
Speaker 6: bars down there that we went to, but that was
Speaker 6: just one of them. And I used to go there
Speaker 6: during the day like I've got like one o'clock and
Speaker 6: like order a you know, paps, blue ribbon and a
Speaker 6: shot a whiskey and ride on a napkin. But living
Speaker 6: around artists, being around writers, songwriters, comedians, photographers, actors, musicians,
Speaker 6: go go dancers, club promoters, you know, we were all
Speaker 6: like we were all like our own little group and
Speaker 6: we supported each other. And it was actually really hard
Speaker 6: to go to Hollywood and do what I was doing
Speaker 6: there because it was just not like New York at all,
Speaker 6: and I know, you know about New York. And so
Speaker 6: this is actually hugely like a deep uh a deep
Speaker 6: joy for me to be here because we get to
Speaker 6: I get to like do the thing that made like
Speaker 6: it's part of who I am.
Speaker 5: Right, it's like talking about it all.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about your current community, which is like what
Speaker 3: circuitsofhfl Stein, which, by the way, Killa. When I see
Speaker 3: Killa featuring Gufa Stein, I'm like, well, I think I
Speaker 3: have an expectation with the song is did not I know?
Speaker 6: Then he flipped the script on everyone. Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 6: thank you. Kasoffel Stein is very, very talented. He's very specific.
Speaker 6: I won't give away any of his secrets of how
Speaker 6: he works, but I loved working on that record with him,
Speaker 6: and it's so funny. Every time we talk to each other,
Speaker 6: we always go like, oh, man, I love this song.
Speaker 2: This song, it's very special.
Speaker 5: It's an industrial funk song.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: The only live instrument on it is the.
Speaker 2: Good I was gonna ask you everything electronics.
Speaker 6: That's right, that's right, It's it's just really it's so
Speaker 6: different for me, and I think there's areas of mayhem
Speaker 6: that are the tip of the iceberg of warre. I
Speaker 6: might even go next, you know, like that's that was
Speaker 6: some of the joy of making the album, was going like,
Speaker 6: oh no, I'm not done with this, right, you know
Speaker 6: now I have to take this further.
Speaker 3: Talk about sequencing this one, because I feel like that
Speaker 3: was its own process.
Speaker 6: It sequencing the album was. I mean, Michael was like
Speaker 6: worried about me. He was like, are you okay? And
Speaker 6: I said no, Like I just kept listening to the
Speaker 6: songs and in every conceivable order, right, because there's there's versions.
Speaker 5: It's it's you know, do you do it? But by
Speaker 5: BPM that's like the.
Speaker 6: Most to me, the most obvious first version is like
Speaker 6: for it to feel like one night at a club, right,
Speaker 6: And then there's the other version where it's like, okay,
Speaker 6: but do you do it based on the story and
Speaker 6: like is there a story that I'm telling her? Which
Speaker 6: there is, so I I did kind of a mixture
Speaker 6: of both of those things. And the album kind of
Speaker 6: starts out with like the Devil on your shoulder whispering
Speaker 6: to you, like would you like to make some bad
Speaker 6: decisions tonight, because like I'll help you, like I can
Speaker 6: fix this feeling that you're having. And by the end
Speaker 6: of the album, you know you've gone through joy, You've
Speaker 6: gone through partying, You've gone through anger. I mean perfect celebrities,
Speaker 6: maybe the most angry song I've ever made. Then Vanish
Speaker 6: into You is a song about wanting to disappear into someone.
Speaker 6: It's a happy love song, but it's also dark. We're
Speaker 6: happy just to be alive, and then Killa keeps the
Speaker 6: party going, but it's like that it's that moment at
Speaker 6: the party when you were like a little numbed out.
Speaker 2: The end your outro, the outros are incredible, Thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 5: I am a very big fan of the outros too.
Speaker 6: We actually had a thought to release the outros like
Speaker 6: two days before the album just but I don't think
Speaker 6: I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the hesitation?
Speaker 6: Yeah, just because I feel like when you hear them
Speaker 6: as an actual outro, it's like, then then it's an outro,
Speaker 6: but if I give it, then it's a snippet.
Speaker 3: But then it's a snippet, and then it kind of
Speaker 3: is decontextualized from the actual work.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean, Kila, you really experience that outro because of
Speaker 6: the beginning, like it, I kind of need the beginning Cinderella's.
Speaker 5: Got to walk up the stairs before the.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other song that I feel like was like we
Speaker 1: we listened to several times and the build on this
Speaker 1: one is just amazing. But it's so different for you.
Speaker 1: We feel is how bad do you Want Me?
Speaker 2: We love?
Speaker 6: Oh my God put that on the album.
Speaker 1: We're so happy you did because it's like throwback you
Speaker 1: for you because it's it's very pop.
Speaker 2: It really very much.
Speaker 5: It's like a total hyper pop song.
Speaker 1: I was like, I hear like a high school girl
Speaker 1: singing this like you're you're how bad?
Speaker 4: Do you?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like it just feel you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like we can we can see and hear the character
Speaker 1: in this, like tell us about that song.
Speaker 6: Okay, So very funny story is Michael and I started
Speaker 6: that song at home, but I had I started it
Speaker 6: at first, and he heard me singing it and he
Speaker 6: walks in from the kitchen and he goes, is that
Speaker 6: about me? I was like no, And then he came
Speaker 6: on in and we started to like finish it together.
Speaker 6: And you know, that song embodies a feeling that I've
Speaker 6: had probably my whole life, which is that I always
Speaker 6: felt archetyped as the bad girl. And it's why the
Speaker 6: lyric is kind of funny. You like my hair, my
Speaker 6: ripped up jeans. It's like that's like so stereotypical, like
Speaker 6: the girl with ripped jeans is bad, right, So it's
Speaker 6: so kind of silly and humorous. So, but but I've
Speaker 6: always felt this kind of like I don't know, shame
Speaker 6: that I've always been at war with this feeling that
Speaker 6: if I am, you know, interested in someone that like
Speaker 6: they're actually longing for a good girl, but they're stuck
Speaker 6: with me and I'm who they really want, but like
Speaker 6: we're in this like three way relationship and there there's
Speaker 6: there's no actual other good girl, but the good girls
Speaker 6: like in their head and there, and they're kind of
Speaker 6: comparing me the whole time.
Speaker 2: That girl that you like real?
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, Oh my god, you we love it what.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. We've been like just texting it to
Speaker 2: each other, like so bad you want me for real? Yeah?
Speaker 6: The good girl in your dreams is mad. You're loving me.
Speaker 6: I know you wish that she was me? How bad
Speaker 6: do you want me? So? Yeah? And I like I
Speaker 6: it's so funny too because it's a fun pop song.
Speaker 6: But I cried when I read it, like it was like.
Speaker 2: My favorite kind of song, emotional pop, Like I have
Speaker 2: a I have a.
Speaker 5: I have some voice recordings of it somewhere that I have,
Speaker 5: like from the original that yeah, maybe I'll just drop
Speaker 5: those one at some point.
Speaker 2: That's that's the tease.
Speaker 6: But I also was also not charge I should put
Speaker 6: that on the record, and Michael was like, you have to, like,
Speaker 6: your fans are going to love that song.
Speaker 2: What was the hesitation around that?
Speaker 6: I just I don't know. Sometimes when things are really
Speaker 6: super pop I get like, I don't know, I get
Speaker 6: a weird reaction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think that comes from?
Speaker 6: I don't know. I felt this way about just dance.
Speaker 6: Thank god I didn't listen to myself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I was going to I was gonna
Speaker 3: ask is it about the prior work? But I think
Speaker 3: there's something about this current team around Mayhem, between Want
Speaker 3: and Circuit and Paris. It's like these are all people
Speaker 3: who understand what came before, but are facing and have
Speaker 3: a vision for the future.
Speaker 5: For Yes, I mean Andrew.
Speaker 6: What was great about working with him is he also
Speaker 6: plays a lot of different instruments, and I know how
Speaker 6: to write on all those different instruments. So if I
Speaker 6: if we were in the studio, I would just be like, okay,
Speaker 6: like play the guitar this way, do the bassline this one.
Speaker 6: Then we would do it over and over and we
Speaker 6: would riff back and forth. Circuit is an amazing musician. Also,
Speaker 6: he's also like the fastest producer programmer that I've ever
Speaker 6: seen it ever, He's wildly fast.
Speaker 5: So he also does amazing analog synth work.
Speaker 6: We had like every iconic analog synth possible in the studio.
Speaker 6: Andrew also had a mechanic there that was working on
Speaker 6: the synth to kind of like bring out the loan
Speaker 6: in certain areas and like sort of like tailor the
Speaker 6: instruments to be unique for the album and Gasopfelstein, I
Speaker 6: will share.
Speaker 5: Nothing, Okay. The man is a mystery and I'm gonna
Speaker 5: I'm gonna that way. He shall remain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, also die with a smile. At the end of
Speaker 1: the album. It's this beautiful moment of like, first of all,
Speaker 1: the first line being I just woke up from a
Speaker 1: dream really kind of works after what's happened, and then
Speaker 1: it does feel like a beautiful cinematic like credits roll
Speaker 1: the waltz too, which I love.
Speaker 6: Thank you. I you know, as a personal choice, I
Speaker 6: really wanted the mayhem to end.
Speaker 2: H That's beautiful, you know what.
Speaker 6: I mean, Like because Blade of Grass is a beautiful song,
Speaker 6: but you don't get the feeling that the mayhem is
Speaker 6: over with Blade of Grass. Blade of Grass is a
Speaker 6: song about saying I'm gonna spend the rest of my
Speaker 6: life with you. But I just want you to know
Speaker 6: that now that you've asked me to spend the rest
Speaker 6: of my life with you, all I can think about
Speaker 6: is how hard it was to get here.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 6: So I did make the decision that I wanted there
Speaker 6: to be a message of hope on the record because
Speaker 6: I and like, I don't I feel nervous about speaking
Speaker 6: about mental health issues at this stage of my life.
Speaker 6: I think only because I talked about them so much
Speaker 6: for so many years, and I'm so passionate about mental
Speaker 6: health and people getting help.
Speaker 5: But I also like, I like deal with my.
Speaker 6: Own sort of nerves about people only talking about me
Speaker 6: in that way, like I don't want to be defined
Speaker 6: by that time in my life. But I will say
Speaker 6: that like having personal mayhem and like struggling mentally, that
Speaker 6: is a very particular kind of chaos that I hope
Speaker 6: that people who do struggle like hear this record and
Speaker 6: then know that there's peace at the end of it
Speaker 6: and that it can get better, because it truly got
Speaker 6: better for me, and I just really wanted that to
Speaker 6: be a part of it. And also in working with Bruno,
Speaker 6: who like one hundred percent collaborated with me like head
Speaker 6: to head, musician to musician, and I'm usually the only
Speaker 6: woman in the room when I'm making music, and to
Speaker 6: be treated with that kind of respect really meant a
Speaker 6: lot to me, and it felt it felt like it
Speaker 6: felt like the only way to put a period on
Speaker 6: the end of the album, if that makes sense, Like
Speaker 6: like that I and also that I'm sure you've heard
Speaker 6: the phrase reheating your nachos? Yeah, right, And it was
Speaker 6: like I've never heard that, and I was like, what
Speaker 6: is this?
Speaker 2: It's running.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I have to say, like, there's something beautiful
Speaker 6: in it because I think being a female artist, there
Speaker 6: was always pressure on me. What is she going to
Speaker 6: do next? How is she going to reinvent herself? How
Speaker 6: is she going to change? Well, you know, she's going
Speaker 6: to do the same thing forever, and then I would
Speaker 6: reinvent myself and I would change and they'd be like,
Speaker 6: we wish she was, Like you know, she used to
Speaker 6: be right. And I think what I realized making this
Speaker 6: album is there is a sound and a style and
Speaker 6: a way of creating music that I did come up
Speaker 6: with and I'm owning it on this album and it's
Speaker 6: it's to me. I did it in a new way.
Speaker 6: And I also took myself to musical places that I've
Speaker 6: never been to before. And I was a student of music.
Speaker 6: But I think it's okay for anyone to own their
Speaker 6: own inventions and be like, this is me, and you
Speaker 6: know I'm the creator of me.
Speaker 5: And a lot of female artists.
Speaker 6: We know this that people say, well, that record was
Speaker 6: successful because of this producer, that this thing was successful
Speaker 6: because of that, and it's not fair to women to
Speaker 6: do that. It's women are creators as well. We are
Speaker 6: the creators of our lives and it's our vision. And
Speaker 6: you know we weren't made. We made ourselves.
Speaker 3: I think out of all your albums, this one stands
Speaker 3: as like a true artistic extinement for you. It is
Speaker 3: your your painting with every color on the palette.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't think you should ever well, first
Speaker 3: of all, I don't think you will ever be defined
Speaker 3: by any of the mental health conversation.
Speaker 2: It's only been helpful to people. You you have.
Speaker 3: Literally you've saved my life. I would listen to Marry
Speaker 3: the Night in very dark times. I still do, Oh
Speaker 3: my God, Tuesday night writing at at SNL. Sometimes I'll
Speaker 3: hit that track I gotta Marry the fucking Night because
Speaker 3: it's four am and I got I have.
Speaker 2: A sketch to finish, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I do like it's I completely understand this relationship you
Speaker 3: have with the people. The way people talk about your
Speaker 3: life and what you've gone through, it is only enriching
Speaker 3: what the work is.
Speaker 6: Truly, thank you, I thanks for sharing that. I'm so
Speaker 6: sorry that you go through those times. I think it's,
Speaker 6: you know, it's like something I have to work through
Speaker 6: because it really was true that for a while. And
Speaker 6: I don't know if you can relate to this anyway,
Speaker 6: but it's sometimes when you get to that place, talking
Speaker 6: about it is the healthiest thing for you, yes, and
Speaker 6: like you have to get it out, and if you
Speaker 6: don't get it out, you're just living in silence about it,
Speaker 6: and it's like the secret that is making you feel
Speaker 6: more sick. So yeah, I'm you know, I'm a work
Speaker 6: in progress. It's like I'm just you know, I'm not
Speaker 6: an authority on anything. Really, I just am a person
Speaker 6: and I love making people happy and I hope that
Speaker 6: people will put on Mayhem, start to finish and just
Speaker 6: have a good time because it's ultimately meant to be
Speaker 6: a celebration of you. But I think I did make
Speaker 6: it for those that feel like maybe they don't always
Speaker 6: know how to make sense of themselves, and I'm saying, like,
Speaker 6: that's cool, it's okay, you don't have to make perfect
Speaker 6: sense of it.
Speaker 2: That's what the sequence thing is about. In the end,
Speaker 2: that's probably why you landed on this order of songs,
Speaker 2: because that's the statement that's right.
Speaker 1: Well, we have the central question of our podcast that
Speaker 1: we ask everybody that we're going to ask of you,
Speaker 1: Lady Yaga, which is what was the culture that made
Speaker 1: you say culture was for me? This can be anything
Speaker 1: from a film you saw that moved you in a
Speaker 1: certain direction, a song and artist, something environmental, if you
Speaker 1: could think I became something close to Lady Yaga, if
Speaker 1: not full on Lady Gaga in this moment.
Speaker 5: I have a few different ones.
Speaker 2: I feel like we love that.
Speaker 6: I think the one that is the most important to
Speaker 6: me is I had gay friends in high school. And
Speaker 6: I didn't have a lot of friends in high school.
Speaker 6: And I went to an all girls school, which means
Speaker 6: that when school was over, I used to walk like
Speaker 6: eight blocks away to the boys' school and they weren't
Speaker 6: out yet, huh. But we were friends and we would
Speaker 6: do the musicals together and I found my people. And
Speaker 6: then later in my career when I started performing out
Speaker 6: and I had LGBTQ plus fans. I was like, Oh
Speaker 6: that was this is the community that loved me when
Speaker 6: I was a child, and this is the community that
Speaker 6: I'm meant to be a part of now. And so
Speaker 6: I don't think I would be Lady Gaga without the
Speaker 6: queer community.
Speaker 1: Wow, you're such an important friend in the life of
Speaker 1: a gay person when you are that person, you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, that's like such a silly way to sequence those words. Sequencing,
Speaker 1: But I'll just never forget my safe spaces when I
Speaker 1: wasn't out, when I was in high school, when I
Speaker 1: felt like I could talk about my influences, talk about
Speaker 1: the music I wanted to talk about, you know, like
Speaker 1: telling all the boys in my school that I liked
Speaker 1: Limp Biscuit and all love to them, but I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about Christina Aguilera and then finding the girls
Speaker 1: and being like, don't you love the last track? Obvious
Speaker 1: I'm the self titled.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, it's just like being able to share a language
Speaker 1: and share a humor, and you have grown into such
Speaker 1: a maximum version of that, and it was I mean
Speaker 1: jumping around. We just have to say it was so beautiful,
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for saying what you said
Speaker 1: on the Grammys. But first speaking to our community and
Speaker 1: speaking to the trans community and people that need it
Speaker 1: the most, that.
Speaker 5: Was my absolute privilege.
Speaker 6: And I promised myself that if I want to Grammy
Speaker 6: that night, I was going to say something that was
Speaker 6: in support of something that is so so important, which
Speaker 6: is to be protective and loving to a community that
Speaker 6: is experiencing violence. Yep, it's my privilege to be a
Speaker 6: part of this community and it's the language that we
Speaker 6: speak to each other. And it's also like, thank you
Speaker 6: for teaching me so much about the world. I couldn't
Speaker 6: be the person that I am without the stories of
Speaker 6: all of the people that I've met and the authenticity
Speaker 6: and the realness. Like I have so many gay friends
Speaker 6: that like just share with me their truth and that's
Speaker 6: a real gift.
Speaker 5: Like how many people do you mean that don't do that?
Speaker 2: Right? Everybody?
Speaker 6: And it's like that can be also not a great
Speaker 6: way to move through the world. So to me, this
Speaker 6: is my privilege to be a part of it, and
Speaker 6: I know I wouldn't be the same, And you know,
Speaker 6: I think like born this way for me was It's
Speaker 6: like easily my favorite album that I that I ever created.
Speaker 6: And what's interesting is the second answer to the question
Speaker 6: that you asked me, if I could think of another culture,
Speaker 6: it would be that culture of friends on the Lower
Speaker 6: East Side and Born this Way was a mixture of
Speaker 6: the inspiration of the queer community, my love of the
Speaker 6: queer community, as well as like this like techno rock,
Speaker 6: electro rock, underground New York metal scene that I was
Speaker 6: a part of, So you know, all of those things
Speaker 6: like that. Blender is like truly what makes me me
Speaker 6: and it still is. And I think this is an
Speaker 6: important time for us all to be roll with each
Speaker 6: other and ask for what we need from each other.
Speaker 3: Well, something about that night where you want the Grammy
Speaker 3: with Bruno That was so impawtful because I was just
Speaker 3: watching a home kind of just because a couple of
Speaker 3: hours gone by in the show already, and I was
Speaker 3: just like, I guess no one's really addressing what's going
Speaker 3: on in like a real important way, and you were.
Speaker 3: You broke the seal on that. And then the immediate
Speaker 3: response from the audience and from people at home was
Speaker 3: thank god you said something, so grateful because I will
Speaker 3: always think about the way you handled the rumors and
Speaker 3: the way you even talked about it with Anderson Cooper,
Speaker 3: which was like, would that be such a bad thing,
Speaker 3: like the fact that you were even talking about this
Speaker 3: recently where you're like you had to decide whether or
Speaker 3: not you would quote unquote fix the rumor. But how
Speaker 3: would that make someone feel if if they were trans
Speaker 3: and why would you inject more shame into that situation?
Speaker 3: Because I think there was some turning point in Lady
Speaker 3: Gaga as an artist who was studying fame, because that's
Speaker 3: a moment where I don't know, we experienced this such
Speaker 3: a smaller scale than you obviously, but it's like, there's
Speaker 3: nothing more frustrating than someone's saying something about you that
Speaker 3: isn't true and you don't have the opportunity to address
Speaker 3: it or you're not. All you want to say is
Speaker 3: that's not true. But for you to flip that on
Speaker 3: its head and be like if it were true, who
Speaker 3: fucking cares?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: Is huge? Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, I think that was probably the most responsible I
Speaker 6: ever felt for like the words that were going to
Speaker 6: come out of my mouth at that point, Like I
Speaker 6: really kind of did understand that the way that I
Speaker 6: uh would react to that would I thought be meaningful.
Speaker 5: But to be frank, I didn't think about it for
Speaker 5: very long.
Speaker 6: It no, But seriously, it was outrageous to me that
Speaker 6: it's also kind of a weird thing, like, so, how
Speaker 6: do you feel about these rumors? I'm like, like, what
Speaker 6: do we talk about? What are we talking about? These
Speaker 6: are people's lives, These are people's real lives. And that's
Speaker 6: what makes me so upset about it today is when
Speaker 6: I see when I see people peering down at others
Speaker 6: and making it making it like socially acceptable to peer
Speaker 6: down and to to say that the trans community should
Speaker 6: be treated this way is wrong. It is wrong, It's violent,
Speaker 6: it is everything I hate. It is everything I.
Speaker 2: Should just go after the most vulnerable people.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's why community is so important though, because had
Speaker 1: you not been exposed to community, and had you not
Speaker 1: like had this understanding of people's humanity, someone may have
Speaker 1: been put in that situation as like a pop star
Speaker 1: that's being rocketed to fame and like, you know, aggressively
Speaker 1: trying to be defined by this thing that the media
Speaker 1: is like you know inherently saying is like some negative thing.
Speaker 1: But because you had that exposure to community, and because
Speaker 1: you knew the reality that these are people's lives, you
Speaker 1: were able to be in that position and be so
Speaker 1: gorgeous and responsible.
Speaker 2: And that's important.
Speaker 6: The blessing is when when I was accepted by the
Speaker 6: queer community. That was the gift to me because then
Speaker 6: I get to learn and get I get to experience
Speaker 6: and have relationships that change my insights. And sometimes you know,
Speaker 6: people ask, you know, how can I do this better?
Speaker 5: Can you explain this to me?
Speaker 6: Like people want to learn more, and I, you know,
Speaker 6: I always have the desire to say, like, be friends
Speaker 6: with more people in the community, Like that's the best.
Speaker 5: The best way to learn is to just be a
Speaker 5: part of the world.
Speaker 2: And it's quite easy. We're all pretty friendly.
Speaker 5: That's right. The best.
Speaker 3: I mean, you were you were, So you are such
Speaker 3: an important part of that conception for people because I
Speaker 3: think I had come out of the closet again when
Speaker 3: born this way, came out because went to conversion therapy
Speaker 3: obviously didn't well, did.
Speaker 2: Not work out.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that, yeah, yeah, And so Mad had
Speaker 3: come out in college, so we've known each other since college.
Speaker 3: Matt had come out around the same point. We were
Speaker 3: both doing comedy. He was in the sketch group. I
Speaker 3: was in the improv group. Born This Way came out
Speaker 3: the same the single came out the same week as
Speaker 3: this college comedy festival. We would drive from NYU get
Speaker 3: More to skid More and we were just blasting that
Speaker 3: song for forty eight straight hours, being wasted, just like
Speaker 3: in some like toolshed.
Speaker 1: And just like that is and he felt emboldened to
Speaker 1: come out that weekend.
Speaker 5: That's really special. That's really really special.
Speaker 3: You're so important. It's a huge swath of people who
Speaker 3: only want the best things for you and for each other.
Speaker 3: And if there is community in this world, it is
Speaker 3: fully embodied in that sector. But also those people need leadership,
Speaker 3: and you've always been that leader, culturally, artistically, in so
Speaker 3: many ways, You've always been that person.
Speaker 6: I appreciate you saying that, but you know what, I
Speaker 6: more than being a leader, I just want to do
Speaker 6: my part, and like I really believe that, like we
Speaker 6: can all do our small part, and then when we
Speaker 6: all do our small part, it like makes a big part.
Speaker 6: And I believe that we will continue to show so
Speaker 6: people that are filled with hatred and ignorance that they
Speaker 6: should be looking up to the queer community and following
Speaker 6: and learning about love, learning about grace, learning about kindness.
Speaker 6: I really believe that, and I'm not giving up.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no. And we know and neither
Speaker 1: are we. And it's so interesting that the answer that
Speaker 1: you gave to the question was almost like the very simple,
Speaker 1: beautiful answer that felt like was coming out in the
Speaker 1: results of the election and everything is people were just
Speaker 1: saying one word community. Yeah, look around you, water the flowers, right,
Speaker 1: build those connections, maybe find new connections.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 1: Community, That is really what it's all about. And exposure
Speaker 1: to the humanity of everybody.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 6: And I know that it feels important for me to
Speaker 6: say too that yes, I say these things publicly, but
Speaker 6: like it's actually even more important to me that I
Speaker 6: live them in my.
Speaker 2: Life, right, Like that that is the work. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The categoryria is dance or die. The only way forward
Speaker 2: is to just.
Speaker 3: Is to be joyous and to celebrate each other in
Speaker 3: that way, because like I think Abrika dabra is, like
Speaker 3: my interpretation of it is, it is this duel between it's.
Speaker 2: Death or love. It's the only alternative.
Speaker 6: There's really only one option in that video, like really
Speaker 6: like she she announces the category, but like you kind
Speaker 6: of know, like, no, we're gonna dance choice for me, Yeah,
Speaker 6: we're gonna dance.
Speaker 1: Speaking of dance, okay, so we'll be at a Coachella.
Speaker 1: I'm going weekend one, but when I staw work, he's
Speaker 1: going to go week in two. I think I may
Speaker 1: go again. Is there because we're listening.
Speaker 2: To the album and we're like, oh my god, in
Speaker 2: the desert this is gonna be insane.
Speaker 6: Could you drink some water?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 2: So how long have you been thinking about that performance?
Speaker 6: All night? Every night since I said yes? And also,
Speaker 6: you know, before then, I mean I didn't really get
Speaker 6: a chance to do Coachella the way I wanted to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: It was great.
Speaker 6: It was actually great for A Star is Born too,
Speaker 6: because Coachella agreed to let us use the stage.
Speaker 5: The movie.
Speaker 6: As you know, making movies and production like having you know,
Speaker 6: places to film is a positive thing. It was great
Speaker 6: for the film. Yeah, I had like three days to
Speaker 6: get ready for it.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's absurd.
Speaker 6: But for this I am just putting everything that I
Speaker 6: have into it, and I'm really excited and I do
Speaker 6: but I don't want to give anything away because I
Speaker 6: truly want it to be like big, a big surprise.
Speaker 3: I feel like I have heard you say in recent
Speaker 3: interviews that you have been moving in the direction of
Speaker 3: something slightly more stripped down, because there was a time
Speaker 3: in your in your career where you know, the set
Speaker 3: pieces would be like unmanageably big, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: And now you are thinking in terms of sustainability and
Speaker 3: in terms of what I do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do think a lot more now about like
Speaker 6: not wasting and not overproducing things, because when I was younger,
Speaker 6: I used to get like so nervous that we would
Speaker 6: like run out of props, you know, or run out,
Speaker 6: or costumes would get ruined, or something wouldn't work well,
Speaker 6: so we would have a backup. But now, you know,
Speaker 6: I have an archive with a lot of like costumes
Speaker 6: from all my previous tours and TV shows, and so
Speaker 6: now I try to reuse those and repurpose them. And
Speaker 6: in the aber Kadabra video, we did some of that
Speaker 6: as well as like the white cape that I'm wearing
Speaker 6: wedding dresses, it was all vintage wedding dresses.
Speaker 2: That's so cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know, I'm trying to Yeah, I'm changing.
Speaker 3: I don't think you need the overproduction obviously, which is
Speaker 3: what you're saying. It's like people will just be fucking
Speaker 3: gagged to see you in any kind of every month
Speaker 3: stage picture. You know, well about the Radio City show
Speaker 3: with Tony Bennett's like we were with our friends studio
Speaker 3: and we just the three of us kept saying, she
Speaker 3: just always knows her stage picture, thank you.
Speaker 6: But you know, I do. I do believe when it
Speaker 6: comes to stage performance, and this is probably has to
Speaker 6: do more with me like loving theater so much too,
Speaker 6: is that you can do a lot with like a
Speaker 6: black box theater and a spotlight, and like it's how
Speaker 6: it's lit, it's your pose, it's the way that you
Speaker 6: say the first line. You know, more adornment and more
Speaker 6: money doesn't necessarily mean better, certainly, you know, it's like
Speaker 6: how you think about it and how you bring it
Speaker 6: to I think simplicity is actually like very very powerful.
Speaker 6: But that also is not indicative necessarily of what Coachella
Speaker 6: will be.
Speaker 2: So sure. I just brought that up as a maybe a.
Speaker 1: You were talking on Hot Ones actually about like performing
Speaker 1: at the Slipper Room way back when which is crazy
Speaker 1: done shows there, and like I was just thinking to
Speaker 1: myself when you were talking about that, some of my
Speaker 1: most formative, memorable like theatrical experiences have been in rooms
Speaker 1: with like seven or eight other people watching someone create.
Speaker 1: That's right, when you shouldn't be able to, but yet
Speaker 1: it is that it is like lighting choices, the way
Speaker 1: things sound in rooms like that.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 6: It's the stage. Yeah, it's like the magic of the stage.
Speaker 6: That that's because when you do things like I mean
Speaker 6: there are clubs where people perform right like in the room,
Speaker 6: like on the floor, right, But to me, the context
Speaker 6: change is on a stage.
Speaker 2: You know, you elevate it.
Speaker 6: It's elevated, and you know, like I'm going to see
Speaker 6: a show and there's going to something's going to try
Speaker 6: to move me. And I do find in New York
Speaker 6: actually at some of those downtown clubs that like there
Speaker 6: is immense talent, yes, immense talent, and it's so much
Speaker 6: fun and and I've always like also been so in
Speaker 6: awe of the drag shows in New York.
Speaker 5: It is un real.
Speaker 6: And I've been watching some of the recreations on top
Speaker 6: of the video and it's just like it's I mean.
Speaker 3: Jan Jan did it with Yeah, the next day after that.
Speaker 2: They just it no.
Speaker 6: But also the leasing is perfect on the fort and
Speaker 6: then the hat, and I saw people making like the
Speaker 6: spiked hat out of plastic and then hands sprain painting
Speaker 6: at Cranberry Cranberry.
Speaker 1: I mean, when you came to drag Race and did
Speaker 1: that workshop with them, that was just taking it the
Speaker 1: extra mile. And I think that telegraphed everyone that it
Speaker 1: is about the details.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 1: I mean, like that that is such a of course,
Speaker 1: it's about so much more than that, but the details
Speaker 1: do matter. You were so detailed in the way that
Speaker 1: you walk through with those queens.
Speaker 6: I mean, I loved being a part of drag Race.
Speaker 6: That was so much fun and also a privilege. I
Speaker 6: loved it so much. I mean I think that I
Speaker 6: have like just the ultimate respect for drag as an
Speaker 6: art form. I also think drag very often does it
Speaker 6: so much better than we do it on red carpets, honestly,
Speaker 6: Like I think it's just on another level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how much of what you do do you think
Speaker 2: of as drag?
Speaker 5: I mean, that's interesting.
Speaker 6: I probably wouldn't use that word just because I do
Speaker 6: feel like it's a very specific art form that I
Speaker 6: don't like do, but there is to me also a
Speaker 6: drag element in what I'm doing. But I don't think that,
Speaker 6: you know, wigs and makeup and costumes always mean drag.
Speaker 6: I think like it is a very beloved and specific
Speaker 6: art form and but.
Speaker 5: Not no, but certainly not no.
Speaker 6: It's kind of like sometimes people will, you know, you know,
Speaker 6: ask me that, and I just like, it's hard to
Speaker 6: say yes because I would never want to like take
Speaker 6: away from someone that's devoted their life to it.
Speaker 2: Sure you're coming from a place of respect for what
Speaker 2: they do exactly.
Speaker 3: That's my sort of rationale. Whenever someone's like, what would
Speaker 3: your drag name be, I'm like, I don't know, because
Speaker 3: I are not I've not thought that far because and
Speaker 3: I honestly think it's because I love the form so
Speaker 3: much that I'm like, I don't want to insert myself
Speaker 3: in that without earning my chops, without like.
Speaker 5: That's well, if I was going to do it, I
Speaker 5: would have to like step.
Speaker 2: It up, right. So there you go to speak on
Speaker 2: another art form.
Speaker 1: Because we went to NYU here you did a semester
Speaker 1: at CAP twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yes, so we had.
Speaker 1: A bunch of Friends in Cap twenty one when we
Speaker 1: were there, and that was like legendary that you had
Speaker 1: grace that studio for even a second. Is there still
Speaker 1: a part of you that would do musical theater and
Speaker 1: like a like a mainstream sense, like would you go
Speaker 1: and do Broadway?
Speaker 2: And if so, is there a role?
Speaker 5: I think so? Yes, I think I would love to
Speaker 5: write a musical.
Speaker 2: Well, of course I think that a new one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a new one. Yeah, yeah, I think that.
Speaker 6: I mean that would give me the ultimate joy of
Speaker 6: like crafting all the music and yes, working with amazing
Speaker 6: writers on developing the story in the script and then
Speaker 6: you know, the stage design and the costumes. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: like maybe i'd be in it too, But you know,
Speaker 6: just like the idea of writing one that sounds really
Speaker 6: I mean, that's I mean.
Speaker 2: Come on the Cyndy lauper Bag.
Speaker 5: All my albums basically want to be musical.
Speaker 2: You're in the pocket already, so why not.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to close things off with I don't
Speaker 3: think so, honey. This is where we take one minute
Speaker 3: each to rail against something.
Speaker 2: Trying to think of there's anything else I want to
Speaker 2: ask you? I know, I know I have one more thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so you you talk about when you do
Speaker 1: films your commitment to that and like your I.
Speaker 2: Don't know if you have you described yourself as method? Yes?
Speaker 6: No, probably that sounds like something I would say, yeah,
Speaker 6: embarrassingly remembering.
Speaker 2: Yes, nobody.
Speaker 1: I want to know, because your performances are so brilliant.
Speaker 1: I mean you would start. I saw Stars five times
Speaker 1: opening weekends.
Speaker 2: I love House of Gucci.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I wonder have you approached acting now
Speaker 1: in a way that you can feel is is sustainable?
Speaker 1: Or how do you feel when you are approaching a
Speaker 1: role now in terms of what you've learned and what
Speaker 1: you've done Because you've done such incredible stuff.
Speaker 6: I think, thank you. I think that I love making films.
Speaker 6: I love being an actor. It's been a privilege working
Speaker 6: with such amazing actors and actresses in like every film
Speaker 6: that I've been a part of. I learned a lot
Speaker 6: working with Joaquin actually, like it was a very very
Speaker 6: enriching experience. I would say, I don't know that it's acting.
Speaker 6: You're really feeling it when you're doing it, and it's real.
Speaker 6: So I would say the thing I've learned the most
Speaker 6: is like to put yourself fully in the moment and
Speaker 6: to really be in it, you know, as if it
Speaker 6: was real life, and that it is a performance, but
Speaker 6: that it's not pretend, right, you know, I was actually
Speaker 6: working with It's really turned as I was working with
Speaker 6: my niece on something related wicked. Oh she sings, and
Speaker 6: I was talking to her about, you know, thinking of
Speaker 6: a moment in her life where it made her want
Speaker 6: to to cry because she felt so changed inside. And
Speaker 6: what I want to say about acting is is it's
Speaker 6: not far from singing. You know that you you have
Speaker 6: to go to a place where you're really truly connecting
Speaker 6: to what you're saying. Yeah, And it's it's not just
Speaker 6: about the words on their own, it's about like the
Speaker 6: human being behind it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But when you when you play characters that go through
Speaker 1: so like such harrowing stuff. Yeah, yeah, do you think
Speaker 1: that going forward? Like I don't know if you have
Speaker 1: anything on the books or whatever, but would you ever
Speaker 1: do because you love comedy so much? Like does the
Speaker 1: lightness appeal to you in terms of that work?
Speaker 5: It does?
Speaker 6: It actually does. Michael's always like, can.
Speaker 1: You please heart absolutely pushing yourself?
Speaker 6: Yes, I would love to do a more lighthearted film.
Speaker 6: I would, but I I you know, I love the
Speaker 6: dark stuff too, Yes, me, Yeah, that is.
Speaker 5: My Yeah, it's maham.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm like a pretty soft person that adores intensity,
Speaker 6: So I don't really know where that comes from. I
Speaker 6: always thought it was funny when I was making this
Speaker 6: album because like I would, you know, like I'm at home,
Speaker 6: like making breakfast for me and Michael, and then go
Speaker 6: to the studio and I'm like kind of soft spoken
Speaker 6: and like just being myself and then like the music
Speaker 6: was so hard and it doesn't really make a lot
Speaker 6: of sense, But you know, I guess that's the way
Speaker 6: that I deal with myself. It's like the way I
Speaker 6: deal with my anger. It's the way that I deal
Speaker 6: with my intense feelings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, got it.
Speaker 1: God, we just love you it all like just anyway,
Speaker 1: we this is amazing having your hair. But we're going
Speaker 1: to do our silly little segment now. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: And I guess I'll start it out. I do have something.
Speaker 1: Last night I sort of was like I had nervous energy,
Speaker 1: so I was like, I want to take myself on
Speaker 1: a YouTube wormhole that I've never experienced.
Speaker 2: Before. I want a new educational experience, and I got one.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to learn. This is Matt Rogers. I don't
Speaker 3: think so. Many's time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. People don't respect elephants. You
Speaker 1: don't understand how complicated their communication is.
Speaker 2: This is a fact.
Speaker 1: Elephants can communicate from miles away with each other without
Speaker 1: seeing each other. They speak, and it is speaking at
Speaker 1: a decibel that is so low. Do you understand. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. You understand they you can't be
Speaker 1: heard by the human ear, but they are always speaking.
Speaker 1: Elephants have processes they go through for their grief. They
Speaker 1: honor their debt, dirty sex. They will walk in succession
Speaker 1: and grieve, and there is different ways of communicating. They're
Speaker 1: in a matriarchal society. People don't know that.
Speaker 2: And get this.
Speaker 1: It's not just mom, it's mom and all her friends
Speaker 1: raising a child community aunties.
Speaker 2: If the aunties, it's the friends.
Speaker 1: They will mimic what it is to feel a child,
Speaker 1: even if they're not feeding it, just to give the
Speaker 1: child comfort.
Speaker 2: Elephants are unbelievable. They are not just gorgeous, and think
Speaker 2: about their trunks that is amazing. Can you do something
Speaker 2: like that? I don't think so, Hony, that's.
Speaker 1: One man, get on my level when it comes to
Speaker 1: you to at this point. I've never been so connected
Speaker 1: to the animal world. And you know, sometimes I fear animals.
Speaker 1: Yes you do, just the wild ones. But the elephants
Speaker 1: are important.
Speaker 2: But these elephants. Have you ever really gotten into elephant dead?
Speaker 5: Over that rant? That was?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: Have you been to Africa to see them? Yes, you're healthy?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, no, thank you so much. I just
Speaker 2: wanted to give them their shine because and I actually
Speaker 2: almost came in here today. I you know, I changed
Speaker 2: my outfit six times Gaga and landed in a white polo,
Speaker 2: but I was gonna wear a red sweatshirt with a
Speaker 2: panda on it.
Speaker 1: And I just because they're my next target, I was like,
Speaker 1: I need to find out what's happening with them.
Speaker 2: There's a lot.
Speaker 1: And by the way, elephants, when they say they never forget,
Speaker 1: they really don't. And that's why it's so important to
Speaker 1: keep them safe because when they are attacked or they
Speaker 1: have a trauma family member attacked, the trauma lives in
Speaker 1: them forever, Oh my god, and they remember it and
Speaker 1: they won't go places where they look. It is so sad,
Speaker 1: but it's but the knowledge will will embolden us to
Speaker 1: protect them.
Speaker 5: Thank you for your service to the other. That was
Speaker 5: so beautiful.
Speaker 2: I just care for them so much and they're so
Speaker 2: tender and emotional. Absolutely yeah. Okay, So with that bow
Speaker 2: do you have an I don't think so, honey. Okay,
Speaker 2: wonderful to hear. I love when that is true. This
Speaker 2: is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey. It's times
Speaker 2: is now. I don't think so, honey. Hot ones. You
Speaker 2: made Lady Gaga crme and you're gonna give this woman
Speaker 2: to bomb. I've had it.
Speaker 3: I had the privilege quote unquote of tasting to bomb
Speaker 3: and it is battery acid, rancid stuff. Just kidding, Sean Evans,
Speaker 3: we love you, Love everybody. One of the funnest things
Speaker 3: I've done personally. You were champ. It was it did
Speaker 3: not feel right to make you suffer in that way
Speaker 3: while you were trying to talk about the album, while
Speaker 3: you were trying to talk about your career.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 3: We need to put respect on Lady Gaga's time in
Speaker 3: her promotional bag. I guess she needs you can't be
Speaker 3: making this woman chomp on plant based wings. I think
Speaker 3: fifteen acad to do it off camera? Just sayd Sean,
Speaker 3: how about this? Say before we recorded, we had Lady
Speaker 3: Gaga try these wings five second. You're not gonna put
Speaker 3: the indignity of her sweating and crying and you know,
Speaker 3: chugging down milk on film for you. That's not for
Speaker 3: Some things are too precious and that's one of them.
Speaker 3: And that's when Boon Yang said, fuck your show. No,
Speaker 3: it's the format so that we can do.
Speaker 2: No. But you were amazing. You were incredible on it.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, what.
Speaker 1: Was the process? I was what you you're still in
Speaker 1: You're still absorbing that?
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 5: I can't it. These are like, this is amazing. No, yes,
Speaker 5: speaking from the heart, it's it's special.
Speaker 2: You've blown away, But I don't think so, honey. It
Speaker 2: is so funny. You're gonna be great. You're gonna be great.
Speaker 1: It's not harder than hot ones. Okay, I mean but
Speaker 1: hot ones. Was it a good experience?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, dding it was spicy. It was spicy. But
Speaker 2: do you and you you do spicy?
Speaker 5: I do I do do spicy?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean what I thought was funny was that I
Speaker 6: did like seven and they were sort of fine, and
Speaker 6: then eight out of noe, Like what a sneak attack, though, like,
Speaker 6: at least let me know a four and six totally
Speaker 6: is gonna get that.
Speaker 2: Have you seen the show?
Speaker 5: No, of course I had, just like I don't know
Speaker 5: if I've seen like, you know, thirty episodes.
Speaker 2: But watching from home, you're like, oh, like, I guess
Speaker 2: it's a linear I.
Speaker 5: Thought it would be.
Speaker 6: I kept laughing at myself because I was like, it's like,
Speaker 6: not actually a contest.
Speaker 4: It's not it's not like, am I winning, but like
Speaker 4: if you get to the end, you win, and you
Speaker 4: will do win, you will. I love that you totally forgot.
Speaker 4: You were so in the heat of the moment literally
Speaker 4: that you forgot to promote the album.
Speaker 2: You were like, oh yeah, you were like, oh that
Speaker 2: was fun. What am I here to do? That was amazing.
Speaker 3: That was one of my favorite episodes, and I again
Speaker 3: purely ingested that is one of the favorite, my favorite
Speaker 3: things I've ever done.
Speaker 2: He's got to do it. I'll do it one day.
Speaker 2: You got to do it. I'm manifesting it. It's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: But he really what we're doing the verses we're doing.
Speaker 2: We're doing verses Matt and are gonna do the one
Speaker 2: where you face where that is a game of contest
Speaker 2: where you face off against each other, but he's gonna wain. Well,
Speaker 2: I think it's so sweet.
Speaker 3: Is that he mirrors you, Is that he'll drink if
Speaker 3: you drink, He eats the wings the same the same
Speaker 3: time that you do.
Speaker 2: I think that's lovely. I mean, he was really nice.
Speaker 2: He's so nice, really nice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was so sweet, and I just I was
Speaker 6: expecting more spicy until until and then until I was
Speaker 6: praying for it to stop.
Speaker 2: Until you pray. Yeah, absolutely, Well, anyway, I just had
Speaker 2: to put take them to task, and it's it's now
Speaker 2: time for years. If you'd like to do one, you're
Speaker 2: going to do it.
Speaker 5: So afraid this is going to backfire.
Speaker 2: No it's not.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I don't think so honey. Then the
Speaker 1: thing and then you just kind of let it go,
Speaker 1: let it go. One minute goes by fast. This is
Speaker 1: lady gagas. I don't think so honey that sentence and
Speaker 1: her time starts now.
Speaker 5: Basically, I don't think so honey that you guys are
Speaker 5: putting me on the spot.
Speaker 2: To do this. I don't think so.
Speaker 6: I don't like to rant. I hate ranting, I hate
Speaker 6: confronting people. Good, super uncomfortable. Right now I'm shaking seriously.
Speaker 6: I like would love to just like go on stage
Speaker 6: and sing and change my outfits and pick my wigs
Speaker 6: and write songs and make albums and go on tours.
Speaker 5: But I do not want to rant about anything. It
Speaker 5: is so scary to me. I feel scared. I want
Speaker 5: to cry. I love you so much, but I don't
Speaker 5: think so that you're putting me on this spot. I
Speaker 5: Ca'm not just gonna.
Speaker 6: Do whatever you say, whatever you ask me to do it.
Speaker 5: When you tell me to do things, it makes me
Speaker 5: want to cry.
Speaker 6: It makes me it's sick.
Speaker 2: We shouldn't have done that. We shouldn't have done that.
Speaker 6: I love you so much, and also I don't think so.
Speaker 5: Don't you ever put me on the spot ever again.
Speaker 2: But I love doing this time seconds.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much you're having me here.
Speaker 6: But please, please, please don't make me get angry about
Speaker 6: anything in public.
Speaker 5: Oh and that's one man, lady.
Speaker 1: God honest hot ones you should have gotten rid of
Speaker 1: or hot sauce lost coach, we should have not done.
Speaker 3: I mean we have to where the show's done, where
Speaker 3: this is the last episode ever, this is in how
Speaker 3: can we beat this?
Speaker 5: Funny?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? If you have to ask? God? Go,
Speaker 2: you're b your with me? Did you break in a sweat? I?
Speaker 5: Yes, I you know what I like to plan. I
Speaker 5: know I'm stick a control freak. I like to plan everything.
Speaker 2: I like to know every we the team they were
Speaker 2: told about. I don't think what's at it?
Speaker 5: I know?
Speaker 4: And I panicked then and now we're so sorry, but
Speaker 4: you're okay at a real level.
Speaker 1: You crushed it. So there you go. You know, all
Speaker 1: the best Adam thinks to honeys have been the one
Speaker 1: that kind of drags us, dragged us. Yeah, truly, the
Speaker 1: people who come after us tend to succeed. So well done,
Speaker 1: Thank you, very well done.
Speaker 5: Think I got like my voice got very high and loud.
Speaker 2: You're warmed up? Now? Have you already know? You haven't
Speaker 2: done it yet?
Speaker 5: Night yet?
Speaker 1: Even on days when you don't perform, you do your
Speaker 1: warm up. Yes, Yeah, it's fun, right, yeah, it's.
Speaker 6: It's grounding and then and like then sometimes yeah, okay,
Speaker 6: I can't give too much away.
Speaker 5: I can't give too much away.
Speaker 6: I'm in like the danger zone with Coachello, where like
Speaker 6: it's going to start slipping sand.
Speaker 3: Totally because it's it's it's getting closer, it's happening you.
Speaker 3: You're seeing the visuals. We cannot fucking wait. It's going
Speaker 3: to be amazing.
Speaker 2: We're coming.
Speaker 6: We will take care of you.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I'm coming weekin too.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be but I will go again because I
Speaker 1: have to be there with him to watch it.
Speaker 2: I'm not missing this for the fucking world.
Speaker 1: So literally, what it was was we had w I
Speaker 1: had tickets for the first weekend, and he was like,
Speaker 1: I'll just come Sunday, and on the odds.
Speaker 2: I'm working because I'm working on Saturday, famously, on the
Speaker 2: odds that she's performing on Sunday night, I'll just come
Speaker 2: the Friday announcement. We love it. You're going to kick
Speaker 2: off the weekend so incredibly well. But I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: now I'll go back the second weekend so that I
Speaker 2: get to go. Friend Mayhem is at March seventh's that's
Speaker 2: right two days after my birthday. By the way, this
Speaker 2: kicked off Pisce season in the best. Wow. Yes, it's
Speaker 2: February nineteenth, deep in the Fields. This is really really
Speaker 2: good stuff. Yeah, thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me. I loved this
Speaker 6: so much. I love you both so much. Thanks for
Speaker 6: being so kind to me. And it was such a
Speaker 6: nice hang too. It was, it really was.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I hope that we can do it again without microphones.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we'll get rid of these things. We love that.
Speaker 2: We do end every episode with a song killer, a
Speaker 2: killer tonight, killer killer, killer killer, Oh my god, listen
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 5: Bye.
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