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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's Matt here and I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: remind you that the new podcast from Liz Feldman and

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Speaker 1: Jesse Klein, Here to Make Friends, is coming out on.

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Speaker 2: Friday, March fourteenth. You gotta check it out.

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Speaker 1: We love Liz, we love Jesse, and we know you're

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Speaker 1: gonna love the pod Here to Make Friends, Friday March fourteenth.

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Speaker 2: Look may oh, I see you my own bow and

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Speaker 2: look over there is that culture Yes, goodness wow, lost

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Speaker 2: culture ding dum, lost culturistas calling.

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Speaker 1: It's tough to be speechless on a day when you

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Speaker 1: have to record a podcast because the art form requires

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Speaker 1: you talk.

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Speaker 3: It feels unfair, like I don't want to be at

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Speaker 3: work right now because I'm very much like transcending existence,

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Speaker 3: like physical space.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's all, it's all really kind of let up to honestly, bo,

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Speaker 2: maybe this has to be the series fantasite of the series.

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Speaker 3: So this is the last episode of Last Coulture. Thank

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Speaker 3: you all so much for the joining.

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Speaker 2: Us all these years. It had to end this way.

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Speaker 2: I will always remember us this way. I always remember

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Speaker 2: us this way.

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Speaker 3: And you started off the show saying speechless too, you're real.

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Speaker 2: We have to say you're rattling them off. Third, let's

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Speaker 2: see we nailed it. We nailed it. This is why

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Speaker 2: don't you see how you feel?

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is one of the most important people

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Speaker 3: to me, one of the most I said this at

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Speaker 3: the Radio City show for us and L fifty, my

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Speaker 3: favorite artist in the world.

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Speaker 2: I left my body. Well we'll talk about this.

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Speaker 3: I left my body because you you said hi, and

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Speaker 3: then you turn around and go wait cheers on stage.

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Speaker 2: Hearing that you guys watched her together was a huge

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Speaker 2: moment for me.

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Speaker 3: Even yeah, for everybody, but I mean, we're we're just

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Speaker 3: so happy she's here.

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Speaker 2: The album Mayhem might be out already.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's out, depending on when this comes out. So

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Speaker 1: you have to have grace, everybody, because we've listened to

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Speaker 1: the album one and a half times where we were

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Speaker 1: brought to a secure location where we were basically told, okay,

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Speaker 1: we're going to listen to this and if we want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a bunker.

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Speaker 3: It was like where they keep all the designated survivors

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Speaker 3: in case of like fallout designated.

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Speaker 2: But it is perfect. We were ecstatic listening to it,

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Speaker 2: and as you all know, at this point, it's brilliant.

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Speaker 2: We think it's our guest best work, which is saying

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Speaker 2: something going to hang a lot.

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Speaker 3: She's a fourteen time Grammy winner, Kademy Award winner, Army

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Speaker 3: Award winner, so many more accolades on top of that. Everyone,

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Speaker 3: please welcome into your ears lady so much.

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Speaker 5: I am so so happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: I have the joy of our lives.

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Speaker 5: I know it's the joy of mine.

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Speaker 6: I was so excited to see you both, and I

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Speaker 6: just want to say also, congratulations to both of you.

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Speaker 6: You are doing such amazing things. It's amazing to watch

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Speaker 6: had an amazing year, and I'm just like really excited

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Speaker 6: to be here. You're also wearing a Joan Era T shirt, killing.

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Speaker 3: Me had I feel like I've only ever like dry

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Speaker 3: cleaned this shirt because I want to preserve it.

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Speaker 5: So I don't think I dry cleaned anything during time.

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Speaker 2: You Sti'll get the bud light on those are Those

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Speaker 2: are being sold at auction in days. You have to

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Speaker 2: tell Gaga about your Joeanne tour experience.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, so you played met Life here. Yes, it

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Speaker 3: was pouring rain.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember.

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Speaker 5: I love a rango.

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Speaker 3: I love a rangehow too, So Diana Ross, I was, oh,

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Speaker 3: because I remember you said the show it's free production exactly.

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Speaker 5: You don't pay for the rain.

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Speaker 3: You don't pay for the rain now and the rain

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Speaker 3: kind of follows you because I feel like Mary the Night.

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Speaker 6: Oh, yes, that was I was. I can't believe that

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Speaker 6: I got away with that. We were exploding cars.

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Speaker 2: You had a roof for the building production value.

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Speaker 6: And it was raining and they were like, you know,

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Speaker 6: and I said.

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Speaker 5: Roll the camera.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna miss it.

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Speaker 3: You had a Vivo interview. This is a throwback to Vivo,

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Speaker 3: and you were just in an amazing APay. You had

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Speaker 6: Well, because you know, when you're putting a music video together,

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Speaker 6: Yes, it was exciting, and then naturally I thought it

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Speaker 2: The transam. Yeah, it was a gorgeous trans am.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I was sick as a dog that City Field show.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what did I say meant like I said,

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Speaker 3: I met city.

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Speaker 5: Field, Okay, but I agreed to Met Life.

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Speaker 2: Because we've also seen you there.

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Speaker 6: Well, but I you know, I when I play shows, like,

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Speaker 1: Course, yeah, you know, I would imagine it's like one

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Speaker 5: We can't do that, nor that is not good.

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Speaker 3: I know we've seen you, Gosh, we've been lucky to

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Speaker 3: Field MetLife. We saw one of the shows a Tony

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Speaker 6: At the sn L fifty concert the other night, I

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Speaker 6: And then I was, you know, walking through the theater

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Speaker 3: Care, absolutely okay. But a comedian doing Who's On First?

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Speaker 3: You've inhabited all of these classics for your entire life.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you were playing rockmanonof at four whatever

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Speaker 6: I have been. I have been, and it's it's but

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Speaker 3: The because something about that concert which we talked to

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Speaker 2: Yes, my mom's boyfriend from high school. Can you believe, Oh.

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Speaker 5: That's some piping hot tea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm from Long Island. He took my mom to prom.

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Speaker 1: And every time I see him now mad he comes

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Speaker 2: He's he's he's the guy. He's the guy.

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Speaker 3: But y'all, reader's Katy's pulp is Finals, Kyle's Kevin Mazer

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Speaker 6: Event I've known him for so long? Can I ask

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Speaker 5: I'm so you know I see him.

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Speaker 6: I feel like, so I heard about Katrina.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you I mean, I know that

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Speaker 5: To just make people happy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to happen. We're recording this before SNL. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we're coming right off of the celebration of the fifty.

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Speaker 3: But I mean when when they told me that they

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be incredible, scream. I scrummed. I just I.

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Speaker 6: To me, Like I say to people, I'm in the

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Speaker 6: percent how I feel about SNL.

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Speaker 5: It's just that it is.

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Speaker 6: It is a night devoted to making people laugh at home,

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Speaker 3: But you literally embodied and capture that. And the last

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Speaker 3: everything the monologue should be. Thank you that's the tone

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Speaker 5: Not that I've done it already, and that's that, you.

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 6: To kind of embody the spirit of a superstar. Because

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Speaker 5: About with you Houston, Wow. And so I love that

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Speaker 6: No, but I so I was thinking always about different people.

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Speaker 6: Take sixteen, I go, I'm gonna try something completely different,

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Speaker 1: I know so many vocal discoveries on this and so

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Speaker 1: many This is crazy to say, because you're always so

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Speaker 1: many different characters in your music which you're you're speaking to,

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: And why?

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Speaker 3: and like zero in on. This is like the real

446
00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,960
Speaker 3: musical taste that she has, and then it would shift

447
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,200
Speaker 3: to like, oh, but then this bitch knows the Great

448
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,520
Speaker 3: American songbook like the Bag and then it's like wait,

449
00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 3: and then she also like she's like the classically trained

450
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 3: pianist and she like fucking knows like all of these.

451
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I didn't want not mean to call you

452
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:58,200
Speaker 2: a bitch. No, you said this, you know what I'm saying.

453
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 7: No, it's like wait, hold on, my soul is on

454
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,160
Speaker 7: my body, this bitch, this bitch, I do, yes, I do,

455
00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 7: thank you, period.

456
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,439
Speaker 3: And like, I just think the characters are not so

457
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,159
Speaker 3: much characters as they are the knowledge and this and

458
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 3: being the student of music of entertainment like you embody

459
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 3: all of these things. And so I think with Mayhem,

460
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 3: I think with this album, it's like Bobby was saying

461
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 3: that this is probably the most authentically you album you've

462
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 3: ever put out. That makes me think, well, then there's

463
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 3: something to Gaga being an amalgamation of all these different

464
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 3: things and these genres and these studied, detailed musical exercises.

465
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,679
Speaker 3: I guess, but like, that's who you are because I

466
00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,640
Speaker 3: couldn't boil you down to one thing, and I'm sure

467
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 3: you couldn't either.

468
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 6: No, I mean I am definitely all of these things,

469
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 6: and that that's what Mayhem is.

470
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 5: It's a celebration of all of that.

471
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 6: And you know, it's so funny as you're talking about

472
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 6: this too, I'm like thinking about this moment where Michael

473
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 6: Michael was in the.

474
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 5: Studio every day.

475
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 6: Michael executive produced the record to me, and there was

476
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 6: at one point I was like really into this electro

477
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 6: grunge sound like on Perfect Celebrity. I'm like, I'm like, OK,

478
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 6: We're going to make the whole album and I'm going

479
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 6: to change everything and he and he was like, no,

480
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 6: you are not.

481
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 5: You can't do that, because but he was.

482
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 6: Right, because I am all of the different genres, all

483
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 6: of the different approaches, all the different processes. That's why

484
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 6: it ultimately is mayhem is because if you're stepping really

485
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 6: far back, it like doesn't make sense. But when you

486
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 6: put it all together, it's me and I appreciate you

487
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 6: seeing that in me.

488
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 5: I feel like since the beginning.

489
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 6: Of my career there was always some type of criticism

490
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 6: coming from somewhere of.

491
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 5: Like, but who are you?

492
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 6: You know? And like what is lady Gaga? And can

493
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 6: you explain it to me? And what's your style? And

494
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 6: you know, you know, what's what genre?

495
00:21:58,640 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 5: Really is?

496
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,040
Speaker 2: I call you?

497
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 6: What should I call you?

498
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 2: Like?

499
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 6: What's your what are we supposed to?

500
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 2: What do you really like?

501
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,199
Speaker 6: You know? And I think that first of all, I

502
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 6: was terrified to make a pop record again, and I

503
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 6: decided to do it, and I felt very supported in

504
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 6: doing it by Michael, by my family, by you know,

505
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 6: everyone around me. But feeling like people think you're chaotic?

506
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 6: Is there's something There was a joy in that for

507
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 6: a while, but there was also like a pain in

508
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 6: that too.

509
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 2: Is that what the fear was coming from?

510
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, it's like, especially as a woman, people are like,

511
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 6: you're you're chaos. Like it's kind of like part of

512
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 6: me is like uh huh, you know, and then the

513
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 6: other part of me is like, but what what do

514
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 6: you mean by that?

515
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 2: Right?

516
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 6: And like it's kind of like you're a mess, and

517
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 6: like you're a mess because I can't figure out how

518
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 6: to organize you and I don't know how to think

519
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,439
Speaker 6: about you. And I think what I want my fans

520
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 6: to know is like that's other people's problem, that's not

521
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 6: your problem.

522
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 5: You can be the whole you.

523
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 6: And that was that was a part of this record,

524
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 6: and I felt I felt excited as a female producer too,

525
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,959
Speaker 6: like just doing whatever I wanted when I wanted to

526
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 6: in the way that I heard it. And I'm so happy,

527
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 6: like even before we started that you brought up Killa

528
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 6: because it's like.

529
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: My it's amazing.

530
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 6: Thank you.

531
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: Well, no, you don't even know.

532
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: We heard it twice and we've been like grabbing onto

533
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: that in our brain like this whole album. Let's talk

534
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: about the album like it's like face, melty brain, scratchy heart,

535
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: screamy pop dance with this theme of mortality throughout.

536
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, and I wanted to.

537
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: I know you've said before like you listen to a

538
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: horror you watch a horror movie every night before you

539
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,479
Speaker 1: go to bed. I don't know if you're in that

540
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: zone now. But the theme of death and like dancing

541
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: in the face of it is obviously all over this.

542
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: What I've always wanted to ask you, though, is how

543
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: much are you laughing while you're creating? Like? How much

544
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 1: is joy and humor and laughter a part of your

545
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: creative process when you're making music?

546
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 5: It's all of it? Yeah, it is.

547
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 6: There's a lot of humor on Killa, especially what a

548
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 6: funny record? Yes, right, write a funny mac. I'm like,

549
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 6: not that confident. The person that wrote that record is confident.

550
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 6: But I would say also though that it's like the

551
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,360
Speaker 6: process is a little bit manic, because I also get

552
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 6: really serious, and I know I can be difficult to

553
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 6: work with because like I'm a very warm hearted person,

554
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 6: but when I'm like songwriting, I get like you want

555
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 6: what you want. I'm like, I'm trying to listen to

556
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 6: what I'm hearing and get it out as fast as possible.

557
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 6: But then maybe I'll you know, yeah, the lyric I'm

558
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 6: a killer and boy You're going to die tonight, and

559
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 6: like right, and then that's funny and then that comes out.

560
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 6: But then I get serious again because I'm trying to

561
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 6: figure out if the guitar lick is right, and I'm like, no,

562
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 6: it's not that when it's this windered again, like it's

563
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 6: kind of a Yes, the process is chaotic, and I'm

564
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 6: not also a very linear thinker. I'm very tangentile, and

565
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 6: so some times, if I can't get one part of

566
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 6: the song right, I will need to stay on it

567
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 6: for three days, like a bassline or a guitar riff,

568
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 6: and then other times I will move on from it

569
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 6: and go I'll go like, no, no.

570
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 5: Let's go to the pre chorus.

571
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 2: Now.

572
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 6: You know it's it's sort of it's a very non

573
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 6: linear process, and I love it and I love it,

574
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 6: and I'm so like also appreciative that my partner, like

575
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 6: he you know, the first few years that we were together,

576
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 6: I wasn't in the studio, and when he saw me

577
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 6: start to make music, he was like, oh my god,

578
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 6: I've like, I've never seen you happier and when you're

579
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 6: making music and that and that was I felt very

580
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 6: seen by that. And I think why it is so

581
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 6: important to me is when you grow up in the

582
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 6: public eye, as you know, there's things that people grow

583
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 6: to like about you, but there's things that they don't

584
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 6: know about you, like they don't know that you. That's

585
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 6: like maybe deep in reflection at home working on something.

586
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 6: They know the outward you. So it feels really nice

587
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 6: to be seen by someone for the thing that.

588
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 5: The thing that you do alone that makes.

589
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 6: You special, that's your gift, right, like the thing the

590
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 6: world doesn't see.

591
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think you even alluded to this

592
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: in the Oscar acceptance, where you were just like, this

593
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: is hard work. There are sacrifices that need to be

594
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 3: made to get to this point. Like the reason I'm

595
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 3: on this stage is because I worked so hard. And

596
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: that is the essential thing about you, Lady Gaga, is

597
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 3: that you're like.

598
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 7: You're here.

599
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 5: I love being here. I love it. I love also.

600
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 6: Community, So like being with you and talking with you

601
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 6: and bonding over music is like, this is the thing

602
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 6: I probably missed the most from my time before I

603
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 6: became famous. I did an interview downtown last week, and

604
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 6: I picked the location and I was like, we got

605
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 6: to go to this bar that I used to write

606
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 6: music at, and we did the interview there and I

607
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 6: like cried during the interview talking about all my friends.

608
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 5: Down there and welcome to the Johnson's Nice.

609
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 6: And I went to Like there was a lot of

610
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 6: bars down there that we went to, but that was

611
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 6: just one of them. And I used to go there

612
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 6: during the day like I've got like one o'clock and

613
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 6: like order a you know, paps, blue ribbon and a

614
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 6: shot a whiskey and ride on a napkin. But living

615
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 6: around artists, being around writers, songwriters, comedians, photographers, actors, musicians,

616
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 6: go go dancers, club promoters, you know, we were all

617
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 6: like we were all like our own little group and

618
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 6: we supported each other. And it was actually really hard

619
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 6: to go to Hollywood and do what I was doing

620
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 6: there because it was just not like New York at all,

621
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 6: and I know, you know about New York. And so

622
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 6: this is actually hugely like a deep uh a deep

623
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 6: joy for me to be here because we get to

624
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 6: I get to like do the thing that made like

625
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 6: it's part of who I am.

626
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 5: Right, it's like talking about it all.

627
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 3: We'll talk about your current community, which is like what

628
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: circuitsofhfl Stein, which, by the way, Killa. When I see

629
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: Killa featuring Gufa Stein, I'm like, well, I think I

630
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 3: have an expectation with the song is did not I know?

631
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 6: Then he flipped the script on everyone. Yeah, thank you,

632
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 6: thank you. Kasoffel Stein is very, very talented. He's very specific.

633
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 6: I won't give away any of his secrets of how

634
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 6: he works, but I loved working on that record with him,

635
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 6: and it's so funny. Every time we talk to each other,

636
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 6: we always go like, oh, man, I love this song.

637
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: This song, it's very special.

638
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 5: It's an industrial funk song.

639
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

640
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 6: The only live instrument on it is the.

641
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: Good I was gonna ask you everything electronics.

642
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 6: That's right, that's right, It's it's just really it's so

643
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 6: different for me, and I think there's areas of mayhem

644
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 6: that are the tip of the iceberg of warre. I

645
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 6: might even go next, you know, like that's that was

646
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 6: some of the joy of making the album, was going like,

647
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 6: oh no, I'm not done with this, right, you know

648
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 6: now I have to take this further.

649
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: Talk about sequencing this one, because I feel like that

650
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: was its own process.

651
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 6: It sequencing the album was. I mean, Michael was like

652
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 6: worried about me. He was like, are you okay? And

653
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 6: I said no, Like I just kept listening to the

654
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 6: songs and in every conceivable order, right, because there's there's versions.

655
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 5: It's it's you know, do you do it? But by

656
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 5: BPM that's like the.

657
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 6: Most to me, the most obvious first version is like

658
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 6: for it to feel like one night at a club, right,

659
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 6: And then there's the other version where it's like, okay,

660
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 6: but do you do it based on the story and

661
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 6: like is there a story that I'm telling her? Which

662
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 6: there is, so I I did kind of a mixture

663
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 6: of both of those things. And the album kind of

664
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 6: starts out with like the Devil on your shoulder whispering

665
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 6: to you, like would you like to make some bad

666
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 6: decisions tonight, because like I'll help you, like I can

667
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 6: fix this feeling that you're having. And by the end

668
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 6: of the album, you know you've gone through joy, You've

669
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 6: gone through partying, You've gone through anger. I mean perfect celebrities,

670
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 6: maybe the most angry song I've ever made. Then Vanish

671
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 6: into You is a song about wanting to disappear into someone.

672
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 6: It's a happy love song, but it's also dark. We're

673
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 6: happy just to be alive, and then Killa keeps the

674
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 6: party going, but it's like that it's that moment at

675
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 6: the party when you were like a little numbed out.

676
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: The end your outro, the outros are incredible, Thank you,

677
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: thank you.

678
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 5: I am a very big fan of the outros too.

679
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 6: We actually had a thought to release the outros like

680
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 6: two days before the album just but I don't think

681
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 6: I'm gonna do it.

682
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the hesitation?

683
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, just because I feel like when you hear them

684
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 6: as an actual outro, it's like, then then it's an outro,

685
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 6: but if I give it, then it's a snippet.

686
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 3: But then it's a snippet, and then it kind of

687
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: is decontextualized from the actual work.

688
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

689
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 6: I mean, Kila, you really experience that outro because of

690
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 6: the beginning, like it, I kind of need the beginning Cinderella's.

691
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 5: Got to walk up the stairs before the.

692
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

693
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: The other song that I feel like was like we

694
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: we listened to several times and the build on this

695
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: one is just amazing. But it's so different for you.

696
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: We feel is how bad do you Want Me?

697
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: We love?

698
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 6: Oh my God put that on the album.

699
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: We're so happy you did because it's like throwback you

700
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: for you because it's it's very pop.

701
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: It really very much.

702
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 5: It's like a total hyper pop song.

703
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: I was like, I hear like a high school girl

704
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: singing this like you're you're how bad?

705
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: Do you?

706
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 7: Like?

707
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 4: Yeah?

708
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: Like it just feel you know what I mean?

709
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: Like we can we can see and hear the character

710
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: in this, like tell us about that song.

711
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 6: Okay, So very funny story is Michael and I started

712
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 6: that song at home, but I had I started it

713
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 6: at first, and he heard me singing it and he

714
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 6: walks in from the kitchen and he goes, is that

715
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 6: about me? I was like no, And then he came

716
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 6: on in and we started to like finish it together.

717
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 6: And you know, that song embodies a feeling that I've

718
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 6: had probably my whole life, which is that I always

719
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 6: felt archetyped as the bad girl. And it's why the

720
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 6: lyric is kind of funny. You like my hair, my

721
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 6: ripped up jeans. It's like that's like so stereotypical, like

722
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 6: the girl with ripped jeans is bad, right, So it's

723
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 6: so kind of silly and humorous. So, but but I've

724
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 6: always felt this kind of like I don't know, shame

725
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 6: that I've always been at war with this feeling that

726
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 6: if I am, you know, interested in someone that like

727
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 6: they're actually longing for a good girl, but they're stuck

728
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,239
Speaker 6: with me and I'm who they really want, but like

729
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 6: we're in this like three way relationship and there there's

730
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 6: there's no actual other good girl, but the good girls

731
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 6: like in their head and there, and they're kind of

732
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 6: comparing me the whole time.

733
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: That girl that you like real?

734
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, Oh my god, you we love it what.

735
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. We've been like just texting it to

736
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: each other, like so bad you want me for real? Yeah?

737
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 6: The good girl in your dreams is mad. You're loving me.

738
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 6: I know you wish that she was me? How bad

739
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 6: do you want me? So? Yeah? And I like I

740
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 6: it's so funny too because it's a fun pop song.

741
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 6: But I cried when I read it, like it was like.

742
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 2: My favorite kind of song, emotional pop, Like I have

743
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: a I have a.

744
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 5: I have some voice recordings of it somewhere that I have,

745
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 5: like from the original that yeah, maybe I'll just drop

746
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 5: those one at some point.

747
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: That's that's the tease.

748
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 6: But I also was also not charge I should put

749
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 6: that on the record, and Michael was like, you have to, like,

750
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 6: your fans are going to love that song.

751
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: What was the hesitation around that?

752
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 6: I just I don't know. Sometimes when things are really

753
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 6: super pop I get like, I don't know, I get

754
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 6: a weird reaction.

755
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think that comes from?

756
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 6: I don't know. I felt this way about just dance.

757
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 6: Thank god I didn't listen to myself.

758
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I was going to I was gonna

759
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: ask is it about the prior work? But I think

760
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: there's something about this current team around Mayhem, between Want

761
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: and Circuit and Paris. It's like these are all people

762
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 3: who understand what came before, but are facing and have

763
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: a vision for the future.

764
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 5: For Yes, I mean Andrew.

765
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 6: What was great about working with him is he also

766
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 6: plays a lot of different instruments, and I know how

767
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 6: to write on all those different instruments. So if I

768
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 6: if we were in the studio, I would just be like, okay,

769
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 6: like play the guitar this way, do the bassline this one.

770
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 6: Then we would do it over and over and we

771
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 6: would riff back and forth. Circuit is an amazing musician. Also,

772
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 6: he's also like the fastest producer programmer that I've ever

773
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 6: seen it ever, He's wildly fast.

774
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 5: So he also does amazing analog synth work.

775
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 6: We had like every iconic analog synth possible in the studio.

776
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 6: Andrew also had a mechanic there that was working on

777
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 6: the synth to kind of like bring out the loan

778
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 6: in certain areas and like sort of like tailor the

779
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 6: instruments to be unique for the album and Gasopfelstein, I

780
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 6: will share.

781
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 5: Nothing, Okay. The man is a mystery and I'm gonna

782
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 5: I'm gonna that way. He shall remain.

783
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, also die with a smile. At the end of

784
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: the album. It's this beautiful moment of like, first of all,

785
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 1: the first line being I just woke up from a

786
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: dream really kind of works after what's happened, and then

787
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: it does feel like a beautiful cinematic like credits roll

788
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: the waltz too, which I love.

789
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 6: Thank you. I you know, as a personal choice, I

790
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 6: really wanted the mayhem to end.

791
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,439
Speaker 2: H That's beautiful, you know what.

792
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 6: I mean, Like because Blade of Grass is a beautiful song,

793
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 6: but you don't get the feeling that the mayhem is

794
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 6: over with Blade of Grass. Blade of Grass is a

795
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 6: song about saying I'm gonna spend the rest of my

796
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 6: life with you. But I just want you to know

797
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 6: that now that you've asked me to spend the rest

798
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 6: of my life with you, all I can think about

799
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 6: is how hard it was to get here.

800
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

801
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 6: So I did make the decision that I wanted there

802
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 6: to be a message of hope on the record because

803
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 6: I and like, I don't I feel nervous about speaking

804
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 6: about mental health issues at this stage of my life.

805
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 6: I think only because I talked about them so much

806
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 6: for so many years, and I'm so passionate about mental

807
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 6: health and people getting help.

808
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 5: But I also like, I like deal with my.

809
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 6: Own sort of nerves about people only talking about me

810
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 6: in that way, like I don't want to be defined

811
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 6: by that time in my life. But I will say

812
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 6: that like having personal mayhem and like struggling mentally, that

813
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 6: is a very particular kind of chaos that I hope

814
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 6: that people who do struggle like hear this record and

815
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 6: then know that there's peace at the end of it

816
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 6: and that it can get better, because it truly got

817
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 6: better for me, and I just really wanted that to

818
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 6: be a part of it. And also in working with Bruno,

819
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 6: who like one hundred percent collaborated with me like head

820
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 6: to head, musician to musician, and I'm usually the only

821
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 6: woman in the room when I'm making music, and to

822
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 6: be treated with that kind of respect really meant a

823
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 6: lot to me, and it felt it felt like it

824
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 6: felt like the only way to put a period on

825
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 6: the end of the album, if that makes sense, Like

826
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 6: like that I and also that I'm sure you've heard

827
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 6: the phrase reheating your nachos? Yeah, right, And it was

828
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 6: like I've never heard that, and I was like, what

829
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 6: is this?

830
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: It's running.

831
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I have to say, like, there's something beautiful

832
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 6: in it because I think being a female artist, there

833
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 6: was always pressure on me. What is she going to

834
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 6: do next? How is she going to reinvent herself? How

835
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 6: is she going to change? Well, you know, she's going

836
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 6: to do the same thing forever, and then I would

837
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 6: reinvent myself and I would change and they'd be like,

838
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 6: we wish she was, Like you know, she used to

839
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 6: be right. And I think what I realized making this

840
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 6: album is there is a sound and a style and

841
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 6: a way of creating music that I did come up

842
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 6: with and I'm owning it on this album and it's

843
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 6: it's to me. I did it in a new way.

844
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 6: And I also took myself to musical places that I've

845
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 6: never been to before. And I was a student of music.

846
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 6: But I think it's okay for anyone to own their

847
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 6: own inventions and be like, this is me, and you

848
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 6: know I'm the creator of me.

849
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 5: And a lot of female artists.

850
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 6: We know this that people say, well, that record was

851
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 6: successful because of this producer, that this thing was successful

852
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 6: because of that, and it's not fair to women to

853
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 6: do that. It's women are creators as well. We are

854
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 6: the creators of our lives and it's our vision. And

855
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 6: you know we weren't made. We made ourselves.

856
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 3: I think out of all your albums, this one stands

857
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: as like a true artistic extinement for you. It is

858
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: your your painting with every color on the palette.

859
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: You know.

860
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't think you should ever well, first

861
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: of all, I don't think you will ever be defined

862
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 3: by any of the mental health conversation.

863
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: It's only been helpful to people. You you have.

864
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 3: Literally you've saved my life. I would listen to Marry

865
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: the Night in very dark times. I still do, Oh

866
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: my God, Tuesday night writing at at SNL. Sometimes I'll

867
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: hit that track I gotta Marry the fucking Night because

868
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: it's four am and I got I have.

869
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: A sketch to finish, you know what I mean?

870
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: I do like it's I completely understand this relationship you

871
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: have with the people. The way people talk about your

872
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: life and what you've gone through, it is only enriching

873
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: what the work is.

874
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 6: Truly, thank you, I thanks for sharing that. I'm so

875
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 6: sorry that you go through those times. I think it's,

876
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 6: you know, it's like something I have to work through

877
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 6: because it really was true that for a while. And

878
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 6: I don't know if you can relate to this anyway,

879
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 6: but it's sometimes when you get to that place, talking

880
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 6: about it is the healthiest thing for you, yes, and

881
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 6: like you have to get it out, and if you

882
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 6: don't get it out, you're just living in silence about it,

883
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 6: and it's like the secret that is making you feel

884
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 6: more sick. So yeah, I'm you know, I'm a work

885
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 6: in progress. It's like I'm just you know, I'm not

886
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 6: an authority on anything. Really, I just am a person

887
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 6: and I love making people happy and I hope that

888
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 6: people will put on Mayhem, start to finish and just

889
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 6: have a good time because it's ultimately meant to be

890
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 6: a celebration of you. But I think I did make

891
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 6: it for those that feel like maybe they don't always

892
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 6: know how to make sense of themselves, and I'm saying, like,

893
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 6: that's cool, it's okay, you don't have to make perfect

894
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 6: sense of it.

895
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: That's what the sequence thing is about. In the end,

896
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 2: that's probably why you landed on this order of songs,

897
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: because that's the statement that's right.

898
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: Well, we have the central question of our podcast that

899
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: we ask everybody that we're going to ask of you,

900
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: Lady Yaga, which is what was the culture that made

901
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: you say culture was for me? This can be anything

902
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: from a film you saw that moved you in a

903
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: certain direction, a song and artist, something environmental, if you

904
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: could think I became something close to Lady Yaga, if

905
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: not full on Lady Gaga in this moment.

906
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 5: I have a few different ones.

907
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: I feel like we love that.

908
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 6: I think the one that is the most important to

909
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 6: me is I had gay friends in high school. And

910
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 6: I didn't have a lot of friends in high school.

911
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 6: And I went to an all girls school, which means

912
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 6: that when school was over, I used to walk like

913
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 6: eight blocks away to the boys' school and they weren't

914
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 6: out yet, huh. But we were friends and we would

915
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 6: do the musicals together and I found my people. And

916
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,280
Speaker 6: then later in my career when I started performing out

917
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 6: and I had LGBTQ plus fans. I was like, Oh

918
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 6: that was this is the community that loved me when

919
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 6: I was a child, and this is the community that

920
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 6: I'm meant to be a part of now. And so

921
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 6: I don't think I would be Lady Gaga without the

922
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 6: queer community.

923
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: Wow, you're such an important friend in the life of

924
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: a gay person when you are that person, you know.

925
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: What I mean.

926
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: Like, that's like such a silly way to sequence those words. Sequencing,

927
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: But I'll just never forget my safe spaces when I

928
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: wasn't out, when I was in high school, when I

929
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: felt like I could talk about my influences, talk about

930
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: the music I wanted to talk about, you know, like

931
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: telling all the boys in my school that I liked

932
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: Limp Biscuit and all love to them, but I wanted

933
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: to talk about Christina Aguilera and then finding the girls

934
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: and being like, don't you love the last track? Obvious

935
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: I'm the self titled.

936
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

937
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: Like, it's just like being able to share a language

938
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: and share a humor, and you have grown into such

939
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: a maximum version of that, and it was I mean

940
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: jumping around. We just have to say it was so beautiful,

941
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: and thank you so much for saying what you said

942
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: on the Grammys. But first speaking to our community and

943
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: speaking to the trans community and people that need it

944
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: the most, that.

945
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 5: Was my absolute privilege.

946
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 6: And I promised myself that if I want to Grammy

947
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 6: that night, I was going to say something that was

948
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 6: in support of something that is so so important, which

949
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 6: is to be protective and loving to a community that

950
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 6: is experiencing violence. Yep, it's my privilege to be a

951
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 6: part of this community and it's the language that we

952
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 6: speak to each other. And it's also like, thank you

953
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 6: for teaching me so much about the world. I couldn't

954
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 6: be the person that I am without the stories of

955
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 6: all of the people that I've met and the authenticity

956
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 6: and the realness. Like I have so many gay friends

957
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 6: that like just share with me their truth and that's

958
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 6: a real gift.

959
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 5: Like how many people do you mean that don't do that?

960
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: Right? Everybody?

961
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 6: And it's like that can be also not a great

962
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 6: way to move through the world. So to me, this

963
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 6: is my privilege to be a part of it, and

964
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 6: I know I wouldn't be the same, And you know,

965
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 6: I think like born this way for me was It's

966
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 6: like easily my favorite album that I that I ever created.

967
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 6: And what's interesting is the second answer to the question

968
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 6: that you asked me, if I could think of another culture,

969
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 6: it would be that culture of friends on the Lower

970
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 6: East Side and Born this Way was a mixture of

971
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 6: the inspiration of the queer community, my love of the

972
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 6: queer community, as well as like this like techno rock,

973
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 6: electro rock, underground New York metal scene that I was

974
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 6: a part of, So you know, all of those things

975
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 6: like that. Blender is like truly what makes me me

976
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 6: and it still is. And I think this is an

977
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 6: important time for us all to be roll with each

978
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 6: other and ask for what we need from each other.

979
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 3: Well, something about that night where you want the Grammy

980
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: with Bruno That was so impawtful because I was just

981
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 3: watching a home kind of just because a couple of

982
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 3: hours gone by in the show already, and I was

983
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: just like, I guess no one's really addressing what's going

984
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 3: on in like a real important way, and you were.

985
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: You broke the seal on that. And then the immediate

986
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 3: response from the audience and from people at home was

987
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: thank god you said something, so grateful because I will

988
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 3: always think about the way you handled the rumors and

989
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: the way you even talked about it with Anderson Cooper,

990
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 3: which was like, would that be such a bad thing,

991
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: like the fact that you were even talking about this

992
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 3: recently where you're like you had to decide whether or

993
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 3: not you would quote unquote fix the rumor. But how

994
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: would that make someone feel if if they were trans

995
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 3: and why would you inject more shame into that situation?

996
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: Because I think there was some turning point in Lady

997
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: Gaga as an artist who was studying fame, because that's

998
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: a moment where I don't know, we experienced this such

999
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: a smaller scale than you obviously, but it's like, there's

1000
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: nothing more frustrating than someone's saying something about you that

1001
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 3: isn't true and you don't have the opportunity to address

1002
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 3: it or you're not. All you want to say is

1003
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 3: that's not true. But for you to flip that on

1004
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: its head and be like if it were true, who

1005
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 3: fucking cares?

1006
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 1: It?

1007
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: Is huge? Yeah.

1008
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 6: Well, I think that was probably the most responsible I

1009
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 6: ever felt for like the words that were going to

1010
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 6: come out of my mouth at that point, Like I

1011
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 6: really kind of did understand that the way that I

1012
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 6: uh would react to that would I thought be meaningful.

1013
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 5: But to be frank, I didn't think about it for

1014
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 5: very long.

1015
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 6: It no, But seriously, it was outrageous to me that

1016
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 6: it's also kind of a weird thing, like, so, how

1017
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 6: do you feel about these rumors? I'm like, like, what

1018
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 6: do we talk about? What are we talking about? These

1019
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 6: are people's lives, These are people's real lives. And that's

1020
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 6: what makes me so upset about it today is when

1021
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 6: I see when I see people peering down at others

1022
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 6: and making it making it like socially acceptable to peer

1023
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 6: down and to to say that the trans community should

1024
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 6: be treated this way is wrong. It is wrong, It's violent,

1025
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 6: it is everything I hate. It is everything I.

1026
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: Should just go after the most vulnerable people.

1027
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: Yes, that's why community is so important though, because had

1028
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: you not been exposed to community, and had you not

1029
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: like had this understanding of people's humanity, someone may have

1030
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,959
Speaker 1: been put in that situation as like a pop star

1031
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: that's being rocketed to fame and like, you know, aggressively

1032
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: trying to be defined by this thing that the media

1033
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: is like you know inherently saying is like some negative thing.

1034
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: But because you had that exposure to community, and because

1035
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: you knew the reality that these are people's lives, you

1036
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: were able to be in that position and be so

1037
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: gorgeous and responsible.

1038
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: And that's important.

1039
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 6: The blessing is when when I was accepted by the

1040
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 6: queer community. That was the gift to me because then

1041
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 6: I get to learn and get I get to experience

1042
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 6: and have relationships that change my insights. And sometimes you know,

1043
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 6: people ask, you know, how can I do this better?

1044
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 5: Can you explain this to me?

1045
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 6: Like people want to learn more, and I, you know,

1046
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 6: I always have the desire to say, like, be friends

1047
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 6: with more people in the community, Like that's the best.

1048
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 5: The best way to learn is to just be a

1049
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 5: part of the world.

1050
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 2: And it's quite easy. We're all pretty friendly.

1051
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 5: That's right. The best.

1052
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: I mean, you were you were, So you are such

1053
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 3: an important part of that conception for people because I

1054
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: think I had come out of the closet again when

1055
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: born this way, came out because went to conversion therapy

1056
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 3: obviously didn't well, did.

1057
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 2: Not work out.

1058
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 3: I didn't know that, yeah, yeah, And so Mad had

1059
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: come out in college, so we've known each other since college.

1060
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: Matt had come out around the same point. We were

1061
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: both doing comedy. He was in the sketch group. I

1062
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 3: was in the improv group. Born This Way came out

1063
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: the same the single came out the same week as

1064
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: this college comedy festival. We would drive from NYU get

1065
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 3: More to skid More and we were just blasting that

1066
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: song for forty eight straight hours, being wasted, just like

1067
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 3: in some like toolshed.

1068
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: And just like that is and he felt emboldened to

1069
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: come out that weekend.

1070
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 5: That's really special. That's really really special.

1071
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: You're so important. It's a huge swath of people who

1072
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 3: only want the best things for you and for each other.

1073
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 3: And if there is community in this world, it is

1074
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: fully embodied in that sector. But also those people need leadership,

1075
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: and you've always been that leader, culturally, artistically, in so

1076
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: many ways, You've always been that person.

1077
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 6: I appreciate you saying that, but you know what, I

1078
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 6: more than being a leader, I just want to do

1079
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 6: my part, and like I really believe that, like we

1080
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 6: can all do our small part, and then when we

1081
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 6: all do our small part, it like makes a big part.

1082
00:49:54,520 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 6: And I believe that we will continue to show so

1083
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 6: people that are filled with hatred and ignorance that they

1084
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 6: should be looking up to the queer community and following

1085
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 6: and learning about love, learning about grace, learning about kindness.

1086
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 6: I really believe that, and I'm not giving up.

1087
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no. And we know and neither

1088
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: are we. And it's so interesting that the answer that

1089
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: you gave to the question was almost like the very simple,

1090
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: beautiful answer that felt like was coming out in the

1091
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: results of the election and everything is people were just

1092
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: saying one word community. Yeah, look around you, water the flowers, right,

1093
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: build those connections, maybe find new connections.

1094
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 5: That's right.

1095
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: Community, That is really what it's all about. And exposure

1096
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: to the humanity of everybody.

1097
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 5: That's right.

1098
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 6: And I know that it feels important for me to

1099
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 6: say too that yes, I say these things publicly, but

1100
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 6: like it's actually even more important to me that I

1101
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 6: live them in my.

1102
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 2: Life, right, Like that that is the work. Yeah. Yeah.

1103
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: The categoryria is dance or die. The only way forward

1104
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: is to just.

1105
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 3: Is to be joyous and to celebrate each other in

1106
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 3: that way, because like I think Abrika dabra is, like

1107
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 3: my interpretation of it is, it is this duel between it's.

1108
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: Death or love. It's the only alternative.

1109
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 6: There's really only one option in that video, like really

1110
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 6: like she she announces the category, but like you kind

1111
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 6: of know, like, no, we're gonna dance choice for me, Yeah,

1112
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:30,959
Speaker 6: we're gonna dance.

1113
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: Speaking of dance, okay, so we'll be at a Coachella.

1114
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm going weekend one, but when I staw work, he's

1115
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: going to go week in two. I think I may

1116
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: go again. Is there because we're listening.

1117
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: To the album and we're like, oh my god, in

1118
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: the desert this is gonna be insane.

1119
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 6: Could you drink some water?

1120
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: Of course?

1121
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 7: Yes?

1122
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: So how long have you been thinking about that performance?

1123
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 6: All night? Every night since I said yes? And also,

1124
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 6: you know, before then, I mean I didn't really get

1125
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 6: a chance to do Coachella the way I wanted to be.

1126
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

1127
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 5: It was great.

1128
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 6: It was actually great for A Star is Born too,

1129
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 6: because Coachella agreed to let us use the stage.

1130
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 5: The movie.

1131
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 6: As you know, making movies and production like having you know,

1132
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 6: places to film is a positive thing. It was great

1133
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 6: for the film. Yeah, I had like three days to

1134
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 6: get ready for it.

1135
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's absurd.

1136
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 6: But for this I am just putting everything that I

1137
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 6: have into it, and I'm really excited and I do

1138
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 6: but I don't want to give anything away because I

1139
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 6: truly want it to be like big, a big surprise.

1140
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: I feel like I have heard you say in recent

1141
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 3: interviews that you have been moving in the direction of

1142
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: something slightly more stripped down, because there was a time

1143
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 3: in your in your career where you know, the set

1144
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 3: pieces would be like unmanageably big, you know what I mean,

1145
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 3: And now you are thinking in terms of sustainability and

1146
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 3: in terms of what I do.

1147
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do think a lot more now about like

1148
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 6: not wasting and not overproducing things, because when I was younger,

1149
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 6: I used to get like so nervous that we would

1150
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 6: like run out of props, you know, or run out,

1151
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 6: or costumes would get ruined, or something wouldn't work well,

1152
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 6: so we would have a backup. But now, you know,

1153
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 6: I have an archive with a lot of like costumes

1154
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 6: from all my previous tours and TV shows, and so

1155
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 6: now I try to reuse those and repurpose them. And

1156
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 6: in the aber Kadabra video, we did some of that

1157
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 6: as well as like the white cape that I'm wearing

1158
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 6: wedding dresses, it was all vintage wedding dresses.

1159
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 2: That's so cool.

1160
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know, I'm trying to Yeah, I'm changing.

1161
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 3: I don't think you need the overproduction obviously, which is

1162
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 3: what you're saying. It's like people will just be fucking

1163
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 3: gagged to see you in any kind of every month

1164
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: stage picture. You know, well about the Radio City show

1165
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: with Tony Bennett's like we were with our friends studio

1166
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 3: and we just the three of us kept saying, she

1167
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 3: just always knows her stage picture, thank you.

1168
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 6: But you know, I do. I do believe when it

1169
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 6: comes to stage performance, and this is probably has to

1170
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 6: do more with me like loving theater so much too,

1171
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 6: is that you can do a lot with like a

1172
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 6: black box theater and a spotlight, and like it's how

1173
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 6: it's lit, it's your pose, it's the way that you

1174
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,919
Speaker 6: say the first line. You know, more adornment and more

1175
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 6: money doesn't necessarily mean better, certainly, you know, it's like

1176
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 6: how you think about it and how you bring it

1177
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 6: to I think simplicity is actually like very very powerful.

1178
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 6: But that also is not indicative necessarily of what Coachella

1179
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 6: will be.

1180
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: So sure. I just brought that up as a maybe a.

1181
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: You were talking on Hot Ones actually about like performing

1182
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: at the Slipper Room way back when which is crazy

1183
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: done shows there, and like I was just thinking to

1184
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: myself when you were talking about that, some of my

1185
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: most formative, memorable like theatrical experiences have been in rooms

1186
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: with like seven or eight other people watching someone create.

1187
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: That's right, when you shouldn't be able to, but yet

1188
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: it is that it is like lighting choices, the way

1189
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: things sound in rooms like that.

1190
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 5: That's right.

1191
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 6: It's the stage. Yeah, it's like the magic of the stage.

1192
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 6: That that's because when you do things like I mean

1193
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 6: there are clubs where people perform right like in the room,

1194
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 6: like on the floor, right, But to me, the context

1195
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 6: change is on a stage.

1196
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 2: You know, you elevate it.

1197
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 6: It's elevated, and you know, like I'm going to see

1198
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 6: a show and there's going to something's going to try

1199
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 6: to move me. And I do find in New York

1200
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 6: actually at some of those downtown clubs that like there

1201
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 6: is immense talent, yes, immense talent, and it's so much

1202
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 6: fun and and I've always like also been so in

1203
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 6: awe of the drag shows in New York.

1204
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,479
Speaker 5: It is un real.

1205
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 6: And I've been watching some of the recreations on top

1206
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 6: of the video and it's just like it's I mean.

1207
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: Jan Jan did it with Yeah, the next day after that.

1208
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: They just it no.

1209
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 6: But also the leasing is perfect on the fort and

1210
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 6: then the hat, and I saw people making like the

1211
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 6: spiked hat out of plastic and then hands sprain painting

1212
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 6: at Cranberry Cranberry.

1213
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: I mean, when you came to drag Race and did

1214
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: that workshop with them, that was just taking it the

1215
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: extra mile. And I think that telegraphed everyone that it

1216
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: is about the details.

1217
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 6: It is.

1218
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like that that is such a of course,

1219
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: it's about so much more than that, but the details

1220
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: do matter. You were so detailed in the way that

1221
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: you walk through with those queens.

1222
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,959
Speaker 6: I mean, I loved being a part of drag Race.

1223
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 6: That was so much fun and also a privilege. I

1224
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 6: loved it so much. I mean I think that I

1225
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 6: have like just the ultimate respect for drag as an

1226
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 6: art form. I also think drag very often does it

1227
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 6: so much better than we do it on red carpets, honestly,

1228
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 6: Like I think it's just on another level.

1229
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, how much of what you do do you think

1230
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: of as drag?

1231
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 5: I mean, that's interesting.

1232
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 6: I probably wouldn't use that word just because I do

1233
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 6: feel like it's a very specific art form that I

1234
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 6: don't like do, but there is to me also a

1235
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 6: drag element in what I'm doing. But I don't think that,

1236
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 6: you know, wigs and makeup and costumes always mean drag.

1237
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 6: I think like it is a very beloved and specific

1238
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 6: art form and but.

1239
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 5: Not no, but certainly not no.

1240
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 6: It's kind of like sometimes people will, you know, you know,

1241
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 6: ask me that, and I just like, it's hard to

1242
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 6: say yes because I would never want to like take

1243
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 6: away from someone that's devoted their life to it.

1244
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: Sure you're coming from a place of respect for what

1245
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 2: they do exactly.

1246
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 3: That's my sort of rationale. Whenever someone's like, what would

1247
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 3: your drag name be, I'm like, I don't know, because

1248
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: I are not I've not thought that far because and

1249
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: I honestly think it's because I love the form so

1250
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 3: much that I'm like, I don't want to insert myself

1251
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 3: in that without earning my chops, without like.

1252
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 5: That's well, if I was going to do it, I

1253
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 5: would have to like step.

1254
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 2: It up, right. So there you go to speak on

1255
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: another art form.

1256
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: Because we went to NYU here you did a semester

1257
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: at CAP twenty one.

1258
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 2: Yes, so we had.

1259
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: A bunch of Friends in Cap twenty one when we

1260
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: were there, and that was like legendary that you had

1261
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: grace that studio for even a second. Is there still

1262
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: a part of you that would do musical theater and

1263
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: like a like a mainstream sense, like would you go

1264
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: and do Broadway?

1265
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: And if so, is there a role?

1266
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 5: I think so? Yes, I think I would love to

1267
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 5: write a musical.

1268
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: Well, of course I think that a new one.

1269
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, a new one. Yeah, yeah, I think that.

1270
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 6: I mean that would give me the ultimate joy of

1271
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 6: like crafting all the music and yes, working with amazing

1272
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 6: writers on developing the story in the script and then

1273
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 6: you know, the stage design and the costumes. Yeah, and

1274
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 6: like maybe i'd be in it too, But you know,

1275
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 6: just like the idea of writing one that sounds really

1276
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 6: I mean, that's I mean.

1277
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: Come on the Cyndy lauper Bag.

1278
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 5: All my albums basically want to be musical.

1279
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 2: You're in the pocket already, so why not.

1280
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to close things off with I don't

1281
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 3: think so, honey. This is where we take one minute

1282
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 3: each to rail against something.

1283
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 2: Trying to think of there's anything else I want to

1284
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: ask you? I know, I know I have one more thing.

1285
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so you you talk about when you do

1286
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: films your commitment to that and like your I.

1287
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 2: Don't know if you have you described yourself as method? Yes?

1288
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 6: No, probably that sounds like something I would say, yeah,

1289
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 6: embarrassingly remembering.

1290
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 2: Yes, nobody.

1291
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: I want to know, because your performances are so brilliant.

1292
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: I mean you would start. I saw Stars five times

1293
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: opening weekends.

1294
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: I love House of Gucci.

1295
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I wonder have you approached acting now

1296
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: in a way that you can feel is is sustainable?

1297
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: Or how do you feel when you are approaching a

1298
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: role now in terms of what you've learned and what

1299
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: you've done Because you've done such incredible stuff.

1300
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 6: I think, thank you. I think that I love making films.

1301
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 6: I love being an actor. It's been a privilege working

1302
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 6: with such amazing actors and actresses in like every film

1303
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 6: that I've been a part of. I learned a lot

1304
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 6: working with Joaquin actually, like it was a very very

1305
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 6: enriching experience. I would say, I don't know that it's acting.

1306
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 6: You're really feeling it when you're doing it, and it's real.

1307
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 6: So I would say the thing I've learned the most

1308
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 6: is like to put yourself fully in the moment and

1309
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 6: to really be in it, you know, as if it

1310
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 6: was real life, and that it is a performance, but

1311
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 6: that it's not pretend, right, you know, I was actually

1312
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 6: working with It's really turned as I was working with

1313
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 6: my niece on something related wicked. Oh she sings, and

1314
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 6: I was talking to her about, you know, thinking of

1315
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 6: a moment in her life where it made her want

1316
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 6: to to cry because she felt so changed inside. And

1317
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 6: what I want to say about acting is is it's

1318
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 6: not far from singing. You know that you you have

1319
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 6: to go to a place where you're really truly connecting

1320
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 6: to what you're saying. Yeah, And it's it's not just

1321
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 6: about the words on their own, it's about like the

1322
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 6: human being behind it.

1323
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: Right.

1324
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: But when you when you play characters that go through

1325
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 1: so like such harrowing stuff. Yeah, yeah, do you think

1326
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: that going forward? Like I don't know if you have

1327
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: anything on the books or whatever, but would you ever

1328
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: do because you love comedy so much? Like does the

1329
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: lightness appeal to you in terms of that work?

1330
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 5: It does?

1331
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 6: It actually does. Michael's always like, can.

1332
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: You please heart absolutely pushing yourself?

1333
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 6: Yes, I would love to do a more lighthearted film.

1334
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 6: I would, but I I you know, I love the

1335
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 6: dark stuff too, Yes, me, Yeah, that is.

1336
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 5: My Yeah, it's maham.

1337
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: You know.

1338
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm like a pretty soft person that adores intensity,

1339
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 6: So I don't really know where that comes from. I

1340
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 6: always thought it was funny when I was making this

1341
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 6: album because like I would, you know, like I'm at home,

1342
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 6: like making breakfast for me and Michael, and then go

1343
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 6: to the studio and I'm like kind of soft spoken

1344
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 6: and like just being myself and then like the music

1345
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 6: was so hard and it doesn't really make a lot

1346
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 6: of sense, But you know, I guess that's the way

1347
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 6: that I deal with myself. It's like the way I

1348
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 6: deal with my anger. It's the way that I deal

1349
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 6: with my intense feelings.

1350
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, got it.

1351
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: God, we just love you it all like just anyway,

1352
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:51,280
Speaker 1: we this is amazing having your hair. But we're going

1353
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: to do our silly little segment now. I don't think so, honey,

1354
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: And I guess I'll start it out. I do have something.

1355
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: Last night I sort of was like I had nervous energy,

1356
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: so I was like, I want to take myself on

1357
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: a YouTube wormhole that I've never experienced.

1358
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 2: Before. I want a new educational experience, and I got one.

1359
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 3: I'm excited to learn. This is Matt Rogers. I don't

1360
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 3: think so. Many's time starts now.

1361
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. People don't respect elephants. You

1362
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: don't understand how complicated their communication is.

1363
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: This is a fact.

1364
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: Elephants can communicate from miles away with each other without

1365
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: seeing each other. They speak, and it is speaking at

1366
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: a decibel that is so low. Do you understand. I

1367
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. You understand they you can't be

1368
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: heard by the human ear, but they are always speaking.

1369
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: Elephants have processes they go through for their grief. They

1370
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 1: honor their debt, dirty sex. They will walk in succession

1371
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: and grieve, and there is different ways of communicating. They're

1372
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: in a matriarchal society. People don't know that.

1373
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 2: And get this.

1374
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: It's not just mom, it's mom and all her friends

1375
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: raising a child community aunties.

1376
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: If the aunties, it's the friends.

1377
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: They will mimic what it is to feel a child,

1378
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: even if they're not feeding it, just to give the

1379
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: child comfort.

1380
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 2: Elephants are unbelievable. They are not just gorgeous, and think

1381
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 2: about their trunks that is amazing. Can you do something

1382
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: like that? I don't think so, Hony, that's.

1383
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: One man, get on my level when it comes to

1384
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: you to at this point. I've never been so connected

1385
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: to the animal world. And you know, sometimes I fear animals.

1386
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: Yes you do, just the wild ones. But the elephants

1387
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: are important.

1388
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 2: But these elephants. Have you ever really gotten into elephant dead?

1389
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 5: Over that rant? That was?

1390
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 6: No?

1391
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 2: Have you been to Africa to see them? Yes, you're healthy?

1392
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god, no, thank you so much. I just

1393
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 2: wanted to give them their shine because and I actually

1394
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 2: almost came in here today. I you know, I changed

1395
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: my outfit six times Gaga and landed in a white polo,

1396
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 2: but I was gonna wear a red sweatshirt with a

1397
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: panda on it.

1398
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: And I just because they're my next target, I was like,

1399
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: I need to find out what's happening with them.

1400
01:04:59,120 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: There's a lot.

1401
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: And by the way, elephants, when they say they never forget,

1402
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: they really don't. And that's why it's so important to

1403
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: keep them safe because when they are attacked or they

1404
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: have a trauma family member attacked, the trauma lives in

1405
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: them forever, Oh my god, and they remember it and

1406
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: they won't go places where they look. It is so sad,

1407
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: but it's but the knowledge will will embolden us to

1408
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: protect them.

1409
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 5: Thank you for your service to the other. That was

1410
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 5: so beautiful.

1411
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 2: I just care for them so much and they're so

1412
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 2: tender and emotional. Absolutely yeah. Okay, So with that bow

1413
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 2: do you have an I don't think so, honey. Okay,

1414
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 2: wonderful to hear. I love when that is true. This

1415
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey. It's times

1416
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 2: is now. I don't think so, honey. Hot ones. You

1417
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:46,439
Speaker 2: made Lady Gaga crme and you're gonna give this woman

1418
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 2: to bomb. I've had it.

1419
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 3: I had the privilege quote unquote of tasting to bomb

1420
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 3: and it is battery acid, rancid stuff. Just kidding, Sean Evans,

1421
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 3: we love you, Love everybody. One of the funnest things

1422
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 3: I've done personally. You were champ. It was it did

1423
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 3: not feel right to make you suffer in that way

1424
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 3: while you were trying to talk about the album, while

1425
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 3: you were trying to talk about your career.

1426
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 2: I can't.

1427
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 3: We need to put respect on Lady Gaga's time in

1428
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 3: her promotional bag. I guess she needs you can't be

1429
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 3: making this woman chomp on plant based wings. I think

1430
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 3: fifteen acad to do it off camera? Just sayd Sean,

1431
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 3: how about this? Say before we recorded, we had Lady

1432
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 3: Gaga try these wings five second. You're not gonna put

1433
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 3: the indignity of her sweating and crying and you know,

1434
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 3: chugging down milk on film for you. That's not for

1435
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 3: Some things are too precious and that's one of them.

1436
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 3: And that's when Boon Yang said, fuck your show. No,

1437
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 3: it's the format so that we can do.

1438
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 2: No. But you were amazing. You were incredible on it.

1439
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 5: Oh my god, what.

1440
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: Was the process? I was what you you're still in

1441
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: You're still absorbing that?

1442
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 6: I know.

1443
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 5: I can't it. These are like, this is amazing. No, yes,

1444
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 5: speaking from the heart, it's it's special.

1445
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 2: You've blown away, But I don't think so, honey. It

1446
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 2: is so funny. You're gonna be great. You're gonna be great.

1447
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: It's not harder than hot ones. Okay, I mean but

1448
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: hot ones. Was it a good experience?

1449
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, dding it was spicy. It was spicy. But

1450
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 2: do you and you you do spicy?

1451
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 5: I do I do do spicy?

1452
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:27,959
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1453
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 6: I mean what I thought was funny was that I

1454
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 6: did like seven and they were sort of fine, and

1455
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 6: then eight out of noe, Like what a sneak attack, though, like,

1456
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 6: at least let me know a four and six totally

1457
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 6: is gonna get that.

1458
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:41,479
Speaker 2: Have you seen the show?

1459
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 5: No, of course I had, just like I don't know

1460
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 5: if I've seen like, you know, thirty episodes.

1461
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 2: But watching from home, you're like, oh, like, I guess

1462
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 2: it's a linear I.

1463
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 5: Thought it would be.

1464
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 6: I kept laughing at myself because I was like, it's like,

1465
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 6: not actually a contest.

1466
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 4: It's not it's not like, am I winning, but like

1467
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 4: if you get to the end, you win, and you

1468
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 4: will do win, you will. I love that you totally forgot.

1469
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 4: You were so in the heat of the moment literally

1470
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 4: that you forgot to promote the album.

1471
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 2: You were like, oh yeah, you were like, oh that

1472
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 2: was fun. What am I here to do? That was amazing.

1473
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 3: That was one of my favorite episodes, and I again

1474
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 3: purely ingested that is one of the favorite, my favorite

1475
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 3: things I've ever done.

1476
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 2: He's got to do it. I'll do it one day.

1477
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: You got to do it. I'm manifesting it. It's gonna happen.

1478
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 2: But he really what we're doing the verses we're doing.

1479
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 2: We're doing verses Matt and are gonna do the one

1480
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 2: where you face where that is a game of contest

1481
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 2: where you face off against each other, but he's gonna wain. Well,

1482
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 2: I think it's so sweet.

1483
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 3: Is that he mirrors you, Is that he'll drink if

1484
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 3: you drink, He eats the wings the same the same

1485
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 3: time that you do.

1486
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: I think that's lovely. I mean, he was really nice.

1487
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 2: He's so nice, really nice.

1488
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was so sweet, and I just I was

1489
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 6: expecting more spicy until until and then until I was

1490
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 6: praying for it to stop.

1491
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 2: Until you pray. Yeah, absolutely, Well, anyway, I just had

1492
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 2: to put take them to task, and it's it's now

1493
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 2: time for years. If you'd like to do one, you're

1494
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 2: going to do it.

1495
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 5: So afraid this is going to backfire.

1496
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 2: No it's not.

1497
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I don't think so honey. Then the

1498
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: thing and then you just kind of let it go,

1499
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 1: let it go. One minute goes by fast. This is

1500
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: lady gagas. I don't think so honey that sentence and

1501
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 1: her time starts now.

1502
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 5: Basically, I don't think so honey that you guys are

1503
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 5: putting me on the spot.

1504
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 2: To do this. I don't think so.

1505
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 6: I don't like to rant. I hate ranting, I hate

1506
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:23,879
Speaker 6: confronting people. Good, super uncomfortable. Right now I'm shaking seriously.

1507
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 6: I like would love to just like go on stage

1508
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 6: and sing and change my outfits and pick my wigs

1509
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 6: and write songs and make albums and go on tours.

1510
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 5: But I do not want to rant about anything. It

1511
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 5: is so scary to me. I feel scared. I want

1512
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 5: to cry. I love you so much, but I don't

1513
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 5: think so that you're putting me on this spot. I

1514
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 5: Ca'm not just gonna.

1515
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 6: Do whatever you say, whatever you ask me to do it.

1516
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 5: When you tell me to do things, it makes me

1517
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 5: want to cry.

1518
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 6: It makes me it's sick.

1519
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 2: We shouldn't have done that. We shouldn't have done that.

1520
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 6: I love you so much, and also I don't think so.

1521
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 5: Don't you ever put me on the spot ever again.

1522
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 2: But I love doing this time seconds.

1523
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 5: Thank you so much you're having me here.

1524
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 6: But please, please, please don't make me get angry about

1525
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 6: anything in public.

1526
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 5: Oh and that's one man, lady.

1527
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: God honest hot ones you should have gotten rid of

1528
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: or hot sauce lost coach, we should have not done.

1529
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 3: I mean we have to where the show's done, where

1530
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 3: this is the last episode ever, this is in how

1531
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 3: can we beat this?

1532
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 5: Funny?

1533
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:21,480
Speaker 6: Yes?

1534
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? If you have to ask? God? Go,

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Speaker 2: you're b your with me? Did you break in a sweat? I?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I you know what I like to plan. I

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01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 5: know I'm stick a control freak. I like to plan everything.

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Speaker 2: I like to know every we the team they were

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Speaker 2: told about. I don't think what's at it?

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Speaker 5: I know?

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01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 4: And I panicked then and now we're so sorry, but

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Speaker 4: you're okay at a real level.

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Speaker 1: You crushed it. So there you go. You know, all

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Speaker 1: the best Adam thinks to honeys have been the one

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01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: that kind of drags us, dragged us. Yeah, truly, the

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01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: people who come after us tend to succeed. So well done,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, very well done.

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Speaker 5: Think I got like my voice got very high and loud.

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Speaker 2: You're warmed up? Now? Have you already know? You haven't

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01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 2: done it yet?

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Speaker 5: Night yet?

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Speaker 1: Even on days when you don't perform, you do your

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01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: warm up. Yes, Yeah, it's fun, right, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 6: It's grounding and then and like then sometimes yeah, okay,

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Speaker 6: I can't give too much away.

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Speaker 5: I can't give too much away.

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Speaker 6: I'm in like the danger zone with Coachello, where like

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Speaker 6: it's going to start slipping sand.

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Speaker 3: Totally because it's it's it's getting closer, it's happening you.

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Speaker 3: You're seeing the visuals. We cannot fucking wait. It's going

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01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 3: to be amazing.

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Speaker 2: We're coming.

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Speaker 6: We will take care of you.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I'm coming weekin too.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be but I will go again because I

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Speaker 1: have to be there with him to watch it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not missing this for the fucking world.

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Speaker 1: So literally, what it was was we had w I

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Speaker 1: had tickets for the first weekend, and he was like,

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Speaker 1: I'll just come Sunday, and on the odds.

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Speaker 2: I'm working because I'm working on Saturday, famously, on the

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Speaker 2: odds that she's performing on Sunday night, I'll just come

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Speaker 2: the Friday announcement. We love it. You're going to kick

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01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: off the weekend so incredibly well. But I was like, Okay,

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01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 2: now I'll go back the second weekend so that I

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01:11:56,560 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 2: get to go. Friend Mayhem is at March seventh's that's

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Speaker 2: right two days after my birthday. By the way, this

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01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 2: kicked off Pisce season in the best. Wow. Yes, it's

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Speaker 2: February nineteenth, deep in the Fields. This is really really

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Speaker 2: good stuff. Yeah, thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me. I loved this

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01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 6: so much. I love you both so much. Thanks for

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01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,560
Speaker 6: being so kind to me. And it was such a

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01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:20,120
Speaker 6: nice hang too. It was, it really was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I hope that we can do it again without microphones.

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01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:24,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we'll get rid of these things. We love that.

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01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 2: We do end every episode with a song killer, a

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Speaker 2: killer tonight, killer killer, killer killer, Oh my god, listen

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Speaker 2: to me.

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01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 5: Bye.

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01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 2: Last Culture Resis is the production by Will Ferrell's Big

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01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 2: Money Players and My Heart Radio.

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01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rodgers and Bowen Yang,

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01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: executive produced by Ada Hosby.

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01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 3: And produced by Becker Ramos. Editing mixed by Doug bab

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01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,759
Speaker 3: and Anik for board and our music is by Henry

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Speaker 3: Kamerski