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Speaker 1: dot dot day? The dope Knife, smooth operator side day.

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Speaker 1: just give you these revelations. What the funk you do

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Speaker 1: in your way in the reparations? What is happen? What's

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Speaker 1: up everybody? I've been waiting a month to say this.

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Speaker 1: I am dope Knife and we are waiting on reparations. Carr,

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Speaker 1: you got what's going on? You know what's going I'm

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Speaker 1: back from from you know, much needed rest period. Uh,

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Speaker 1: having a baby's crazy, having its crazy shit. Um, but

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Speaker 1: last night. It's funny like my first day back and

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Speaker 1: a little bit. You've been having to You've been having

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Speaker 1: stir crazy Honestly. People were like, you're kind of mad

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Speaker 1: was running out of stuff to watch on TV. I

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Speaker 1: See anything new? Um, I really, I mean, I'm just

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Speaker 1: I'm like mad. Yeah, that's the thing. I'm like mad,

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Speaker 1: just added the loop with stuff and ever beloved by all. So.

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Speaker 1: I I saw a Watchman the HBO show as well

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Speaker 1: both of those. Oh so good, oh so good. We

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Speaker 1: I mean as far as like all this, I've been,

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Speaker 1: But um, I mean ship, we've been waiting a month.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. Let's get into the first official

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Speaker 1: A minute last week doesn't count. That was that was

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Speaker 1: some stock pilot ship. Yeah, but yeah, this week really

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Speaker 1: talking about UM JR. Polsonaro, who in any ways is

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Speaker 1: He was elected to the presidency in eighteen as a

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Speaker 1: So it's like all this like revolution Mary talking ship

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Speaker 1: I've been talking about you. But like I guess, like

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Speaker 1: a military coup because Trump didn't have the same backing

425
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Speaker 1: of the middle terry in in the United States as

426
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Speaker 1: Boson and choice in for Zil. In Brazil, situation is

427
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: far more precarious since Boson arts office, six thousand military

428
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Speaker 1: personnel have come to occupy positions in the federal government,

429
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Speaker 1: with top Brass strongly representing the presidential cabinet. The risk

430
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Speaker 1: of Altane Police Forces ninety to launch a coup with

431
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: or in place of Balsonaro, it's worth seriously pondering, especially

432
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Speaker 1: since a military cool in Brazil, it's a president. Then

433
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Speaker 1: members of the Brazilian armed forces, supported by the United

434
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Speaker 1: States government, once again talking with people in Latin America,

435
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: overthrew President Joe klar Um. The coupe brought uh to Brazil,

436
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: a military dictatorship politically aligned with the interests of guess

437
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: who's the United States government, and which lasted for twenty

438
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Speaker 1: one years until nineteen five. So this is something so

439
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: like the government has overthrowned democratically elected presidents and till previously,

440
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: in addition to you know, all over Latin America, and

441
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: so there's it's a little more so I think I

442
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: see such a little more serious in here, because like, yeah,

443
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: this ship, like it's easy to imagine because this ship

444
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 1: has happened before the This is the thing that I

445
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 1: disagree with him on and you know, hopefully we can

446
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: talk about this when he comes in the show. Is

447
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: the notion that, okay, that specific event in its in

448
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,880
Speaker 1: and of itself was a threat to democracy and that

449
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: that was the coup attempt to you know what I mean,

450
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: Like like, oh man, we were on the verge of

451
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: that day. Anyone who's saying that that's like hyperbole, it's exaggeration,

452
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: It's it's television. It's like you know, like cable news,

453
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: enter table television at this point, like it's it's too

454
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 1: gin up the ship. But in a way for like

455
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: from somebody like me, you know, I mean, it kind

456
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: of it feels like a straw man because it's not

457
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: that's not the issue. It's what it's indicative of, Like

458
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: it might not be the coup attempt that put us

459
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: on the verge, but it was damn sure a test run,

460
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And it's the next time

461
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Speaker 1: that it happens. I think that time possibly could be

462
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: the one that's like, oh, Man, we're on the verge

463
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: with this one. I mean, consider this, right, do you

464
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: remember when everybody was talking about let's storm area You

465
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: remember when that was going on, and like it never

466
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: really like materialized. Who knows why it never really materialized,

467
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: but I would guess that one of the things in

468
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: the back of everybody's head is, Man, when you're at

469
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: the point that there's a mass group of people that

470
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: are storming Area fifty one, they're just gonna start shooting.

471
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: I not knowing everything about you know, like I don't

472
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: know the ins and outs of all this stuff and

473
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: how it works. But just me growing up, you know, American,

474
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: but growing up overseas, and just like the pop cultural

475
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: idea of how what I have of how the government works.

476
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: A bunch of people start storming the Capitol buildings, whether

477
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: it's Black Lives matter, whether it's right wingers or whatever.

478
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: If a bunch of people start storming the center of

479
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: American power, I would imagine that the cops would just

480
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: start letting bullets black. Well, that's the thing. So that's

481
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: the thing about the situation that I think it's interesting

482
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: and kind of scary, is that sure? Like, Okay, the

483
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: demonstrations polter I was like arobably come out of the streets. Yeah,

484
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: and they had lost people that anticipated. But if a

485
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: hundred people twenty five thousand people in South a Polo

486
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: all had guns store and you know, started storming capitol

487
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: buildings and the police, even if the police din't joined

488
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: their side, if the police stood by and did nothing,

489
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: which is a little bit of what we saw in

490
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 1: January six, police were like you know taking selfies. Um,

491
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: if they just like you know, kind of turn a

492
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: blind eye so well, that guys could do some serious damage.

493
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: It might not be as many people as you thought,

494
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: but it's enough to fund some shut up countries can

495
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: get de stabilized with like five thousand organisms people. Yeah,

496
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: like let a load a hundred and something. If all

497
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: six thousand people who are in the military who have

498
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: been appointed the government by Boltonaro like you know, just

499
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: did little things like gave somebody their key card to

500
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: give me the elevator to go up to where the

501
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: Supreme Court Justice, you know, his office is, and like

502
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: little things like that, that could be enough rock the

503
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: whole ship. The thing that talking about Bostonaro makes me

504
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: think of it's like it just makes me think of

505
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: the whole concept of you know, it could happen here

506
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: type of type of ship where it's just like if

507
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: this starts happening stuff like the starts happening tomorrow. It's

508
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: just like, what are people really going to do? What

509
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: is the real actual reaction going to be? Like if

510
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: in your town, some Yahoo's just take over the state

511
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: building and the cops don't touch him straight up and

512
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: their life we're in charge. I mean, most people are

513
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: going to tweet about it, you know what I mean.

514
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna make your post like it's sun up and

515
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: then everybody's gonna go to work. This is what That's

516
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: what I'm afraid of, you know what I mean. Like,

517
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm busy right now. So yeah, January s X two

518
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: thousand twenty one, like that was the day I was

519
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: to be sworn in as Commissioner again. And so I'm

520
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: sitting scenes of the Cavil getting stormed on CNN. I'm like, yo,

521
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: is it safe to be like around government buildings right now?

522
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: And my colleagues were like, oh, come on, it's fine,

523
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, because they've never had like lynching threats or

524
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: like someone starting to bring their house out or anything.

525
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: And so they're like, you know, the police will be there,

526
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: you know, they'll be stationed on the rooftops. I'm like,

527
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of them being stationed on

528
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: the rooftops with like, you know, sniper's scope like pointed

529
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: at the city Hall building. Neither neither may feel any better.

530
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: You know, you just reminded me of It's something that

531
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: I talked about literally on the first episode that you

532
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: weren't around. Yeah, but you know who was going in

533
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: and out of Brazil having meetings with Balsinara, right, Bannon,

534
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, and the CIA recently, like recently as

535
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, like Steve, it's suspected the Steve

536
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: Bannon and them are like behind trying to organize this

537
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: whole everybody get out in the streets for Bosonaro thing.

538
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: They were literally trying to recreate the January sixth thing

539
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: down there. So there're a lot of trouble you. We're

540
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble you. I mean, I guess it's

541
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: the consensus is Bossonaro is probably worse than Trump. But

542
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: not only is it not by a lot, but it's

543
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: purely a matter of circumstance. Yeah, you know, what I'm saying. Yeah,

544
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: some in some ways worse. Actually, I think, honestly think

545
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: in every way worse. This dude seems like really like

546
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: a lot worse to call him the really Trump is

547
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: the Balsonaro of of the North of North America. Another

548
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: key differences. I feel like Balsonaro believes in something. And

549
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna you're gonna kind of get a sense of

550
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: this when we get the music discussion. Yeah, Trump is

551
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: like a money in power dude. Like it's like like

552
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: literally like Trump could be a rapper. Like that's just considered.

553
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: What do you in power? That's it. So let's turn

554
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about the rappers in the

555
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: Brazilian rappers that fun with Bosnarrow and we got a

556
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: couple of the don't but we'll be we'll be back

557
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: with that after the joke. Alright, we are crazy. I'm sorry.

558
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: I didn't want to cut you off. I'm so stoked

559
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: for this discussion today because this is just wild to me,

560
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: some of some of these some of these rappers. Man, Now,

561
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: we are a politics hip hop show, so you know,

562
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: we always got to bring it back to the hip

563
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: hop angle of things, and to do that we're gonna

564
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: be diving into some of the hip hop that's going

565
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: on in Brazil currently amidst all of this Balsnaro right

566
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: wing coup fears and blah blah blah blah. Now, where

567
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: this is going to kind of take a turn is

568
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: there is a whole lot of self described right wing

569
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: rappers in Brazil. It's not dominating the scene, it's not

570
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: in the majority thing. It's not like what Brazilian hip

571
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: hop is like, but it's enough of a niche market

572
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: that Balsonaro has found use in it as propaganda. Yeah,

573
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: they got recordings that sample features that feature samples from

574
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: the president's speeches, lyrics that exalt the dictatorship and torturers

575
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: like Carlos at Ustra and shout outs to people that

576
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: the dude that sort of like was bolsonar Guru l Carvoglio.

577
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: So like they like so they like really incorporate, like

578
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: they get into very specific details about why they support

579
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, and like historical figures of the right

580
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: wing and Birnt Hill as well. So let's check out

581
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: this first cat. How do you say this, louise Um

582
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: is The song is called my Son Will be a Boston,

583
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: Boston Arrista in a Boston Balsa arista. I'm assuming it

584
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: is kind of like a name for a Balsonaro supporter, Like, yeah,

585
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: all right, let's check this out. Stuff, Like the hook goes. Um,

586
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: when my son will is born, he will follow his

587
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: father's footsteps. Um, his first birds will be Petismo, which

588
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: is like PET is like the Workers Party, which is

589
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: like the left wing in Brazil. So pet will be

590
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: no more. And then in the opening lines of the

591
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: first verse, that's just crazy to me, Uh, my son

592
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: will be right wing, a many anti communist. He's gonna

593
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: learn when he's young to be a capitalist. Will dress

594
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: up by Ustra, who was a torturer under the military dictatorship,

595
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: and be a fan of boll Scenaro. When he's at school.

596
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: To his friends, he'll be an oppressive motherfucker. Yeah, I

597
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: mean it straight up. It's just like starting to people

598
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: oppressed people. He'll dress up like a torturer. Um. I

599
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: think comparing like the PT, which to my understanding is

600
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: like a liberal party in Brazil, but like not the

601
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: communist by any means. And so you also see this

602
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: trend of like anything that's even remote the left wing

603
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: is communism, you know that rhetoric being spewed also by

604
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: the right in Brazil. All in America, you can just

605
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: lump in anything anything that like fringey guys don't like.

606
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: You can just lump everything into that for them to

607
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: just label it his left wing. Oh you don't like gays,

608
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: you don't like feminism, or you don't like black people,

609
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: you don't like you don't like the environment, or not

610
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: even you don't like the environment. You're too lazy to

611
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: do anything to help out the environment. All right, let's

612
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: just lump that all that's all left wing, and we

613
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: hate that. We're against it, every aspect of it. So

614
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: he goes on to say, I think it's really interesting.

615
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: So he goes on to say he's gonna tell us

616
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: friends that he's a far he's the far right. He's

617
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna tell them that in in reality, uh, Nazism,

618
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: the left wing or the Nazis effectively, and he's going

619
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,919
Speaker 1: to treat everyone equal, independent of race. So it's like, oh,

620
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm extremely right wing. I treat everyone the same no

621
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: matter what color you are. The Nazis and the left

622
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: sing people like it just seems so like didn't past

623
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: the inherent contradictions. Didn't he just say his son's going

624
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: to be an oppressive motherfucker's exactly. It's like bro same song,

625
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: like literally thirty seconds ago, I heard you say you

626
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: don't want to be like putting your boots on people's

627
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: neck like your ustra or wherever this guy's name is.

628
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: All right, we got the other guy. Um he is

629
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: a rapper, Papa Mike from Bellow horizonte Yeah. Uh so

630
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: he's another die hard Baldinestra bosarist kind of Balson balson

631
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: Arista Bosonarista, with songs such as a letter to Balstonaro,

632
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: let's check that out of that's just getting okay. Songs

633
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: like that. They derived the president's opponents as coke heads

634
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: and stoner's and warrens of communists and doctrination in the

635
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: school system in media. So in the the video, it's

636
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: got like uh Hammerson sickles flying around like oh, you

637
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: better watch out. Like in the background they call out

638
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: there's like a picture of like Karl Marks for a

639
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: second and like warning that, oh it's coming for your

640
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: kids and ship like that, um, which all seems kind

641
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: of silly, but then there's another there's another right wing wrapper.

642
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: He's evangelical. Sim's Elvis, and he sort of like breaks

643
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: it down in a way that like a similar to

644
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: arguments i've heard um by like Trump people, like, uh,

645
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: well not really, but I guess like not Trump people

646
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: per se, but like conservatives that I know that like

647
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: cast out on left wing people in the United States.

648
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: So pretty much he he hasn't identified as a Bolshonarista,

649
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: but like he is very conservative, and he said that, um,

650
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: the left is a villa Madelena, which is sort of

651
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: like you know, the Champagne Socialists of Brooklyn don't get this.

652
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: They've never seen a body splayed out on the ground.

653
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: If they've never seen a coffin, it's because they're dog

654
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: If they've ever seen a confidence, because their dog died

655
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: or the the granddad died of old days. So pretty much

656
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 1: saying that, like, you know, he personally is right wing

657
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: because he grew up so tough that the only left

658
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: wing people that like he sees in the media or

659
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: whatever are like, you know, more well to do folks

660
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: that haven't actually under you know, undergone oppression, and so

661
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: you see, I feel like you here in the United

662
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: States as well a lot of people that are strong

663
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: supporters of capitalism, strong supporters of like a more conservative

664
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: economic agenda, because they picture the left as just like

665
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: very privileged, well to do folks that have no idea

666
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: what reality is. Like well, I mean, you know, like

667
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: I understand, I understand. I understand it in the sense

668
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: of the information is in my ear and I understand

669
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: the logic that they're using and drive those conclusions. But

670
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: it's like, at the end of the day, it's like, man,

671
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: I grew up. I grew up rough, so I hate

672
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: gay people. It's not anything that I'm trying to entertain,

673
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's like that it

674
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: was like it was about it a little losing or

675
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: that who is that guy? The oh my god, yeah yeah,

676
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: time flies. I totally forgotten without who thing like, oh

677
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just I grew up rough. I didn't

678
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: understand and I wasn't supposed to like fucking hate gays.

679
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: Like here's the thing that I'm interested in asking you about,

680
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: because talking about this it's like, maybe you know, tell

681
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: me if I'm like just being too dismissive. But I

682
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: feel like this Brazilian right wing stuff. It definitely has

683
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: like a personal figure attached to it, because in a

684
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: lot of cases they're actually talking about Bosonaro and stuff

685
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: like that. But if you strip it away and it's

686
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: just them rapping about having these like right wing, ultra

687
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: capitalistic you know what I mean, ideology, is it really

688
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: that that far removed from what's going on here? Going

689
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: on here in a lot of ways. I mean, I

690
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: guess it's just more explicitly like ideologically aligned. That's why.

691
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. It's like like like yeah, and

692
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: that in that popa mic song, he's like yo, like

693
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: you know, Bostonaro's out in the streets with the rifle

694
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 1: or whatever, like praising that he's you know, flexible right

695
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: to bear arms and he he and he brings it

696
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: back to if I'm not mistaken, or maybe it's all

697
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: of this is like brings it back to you, like, oh,

698
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: the right to bear arms specifically, like tying it back

699
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: to like a thing that's enshrined in long you know,

700
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: through the Constitution, etcetera. But like in regular regular rap

701
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: music in Nited States, probably in Brazil as well, people

702
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 1: talk about the flex about having guns all the time

703
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: without making explicitly political, even though ultimately it is. I

704
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: mean that's what the show is about, revealing how all

705
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: these things are like, you know, secretly ideological and so yeah,

706
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: I mean I see what you're saying about. I mean

707
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: getting into when we were talking about the COVID vaccine

708
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: and like that cultural shift of like things being self centered.

709
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: It's about me and that lack of community, you know

710
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, community concern and stuff like that. I mean,

711
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: that's the sort of thing where it's like I when

712
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: I listened to hip hop, it's like I try to

713
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: strip it of the context and just focus on what

714
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: the music and the words themselves are accomplishing. And it's like, yeah,

715
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, I mean, you know, obviously

716
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: there's exceptions to every rule and ship like that, but

717
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of cases where you're just

718
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: hearing stuff drone and drone and drone, and it's like

719
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: for a cat like me, it's like, man, is this

720
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,720
Speaker 1: brought to you by the Koch Brothers? Like what then

721
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: am I listening to? You know what I mean, Like,

722
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: really what am I listen about? It's like a prager,

723
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: you like rant with a beat to it. You know

724
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 1: about the virtues of capitalism. It's like, you know, you're right, though,

725
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: what else we've got? What else they've gotten? Okay, So

726
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: now we're gonna switch over to some of the cats

727
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: who are antipe, anti ball Scenaro. So let's check out

728
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: the first homie Black Alien with his track how I Surround. Sorry.

729
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: So the title of the song is how my how

730
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: My saw Okay, yeah, which means never will never well

731
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: be never well. Let's check out. Let's check this out

732
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: real quick. Yeah. So the hook for that one is, um,

733
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: what he's saying is what I really think is that

734
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: presidents are temporary. Baby, good music is forever, and these

735
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: losers never will be. And this is him talking about

736
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: the right wing and Balsonara and them uh. In an interview,

737
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: he said, I can't waste the valuable instrument that is

738
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: wrapped and not talk to the people, to young people,

739
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: mainly here in Brazil, an obnoxiously stupid country that doesn't

740
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: educate people. Team half the people voted for this deadbeat

741
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: out of ignorance. Damn, just call you gotta you gotta

742
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: tell it. As Rap steps up the ladder into the

743
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: mainstream of Brazilian music, fight the power songs have been

744
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: sharing more space on the radio and there streaming airwaves,

745
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: on the streaming airwaves instead of music about love and sex.

746
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: So that's good. That's good. At least everyone's like or

747
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: at least, for the most part, a lot of them

748
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: are not. Just you know, because whether you're gonna be

749
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: right wing in your art or left wing in your

750
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: art or down the middle or whatever. I can't stand

751
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: the agnostic approach to ship, Like I'm just like, oh,

752
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm just not into politics. Yeah, I'm ignoring the world.

753
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: I don't, you know, none of that should happen. Like

754
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: I was, I was watching some reading something. We're like

755
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: the dudes from Metallica. We're talking about Yeah, man, we're

756
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: not political. We're just trying to have fun. I'm like, yo,

757
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: what what Yeah, dollar dollar bills, man, people's dolla bills.

758
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: I love that ship, which is inherently ideological if you like, oh,

759
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: we're trying to have fun, We're trying to make stack

760
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: paper like whatever. Like uh huh, you know, I think

761
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: that's informed by ideology. Desert sand Brown. Sure, but last

762
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Okay. The last one is by set to

763
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: a Prohibito song called prima vera fascista or fascist spring.

764
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: Do you watch you feel? Um? And the song is

765
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: in the um and the tradition of Brazil's rap Nacio

766
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: now um, which is traditionally stood out as the cultural

767
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: voice of the fazilas and the peripheries throughout Brazila, the

768
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: favelas and brazila sort of like the hood, like the

769
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: you know, the inner inner city slumps and stuff like that.

770
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: Um boson Naro's unprecedented statements again black Brazilians was hatred

771
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: of the poor, the lgbt UH community and lactics of

772
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: all stripes have sort of boards the unity among these people,

773
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: um um, which is where like did in songs like

774
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: pretty very if actually stay here in which Um said

775
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: to a probibito, is that who's does the song? Hold

776
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: on a second, let me make sure it says it's

777
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: produced by that person. I wonder if that was the

778
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: rapper on it. It's it's it's a channel. It's like

779
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: thinks like a YouTube channel or like a SoundCloud channel.

780
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: So so the wrapper here UM talks about idolizing a fascist,

781
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: supporting torture and the people manipulated. I want to put

782
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: you in power I'm the civil war. I'm not afraid

783
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: of your dictatorship. And if someone has to die, let

784
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: it be you. Um some fucking five ship. Um. Your

785
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: homophobia doesn't make you more of a man. Tell him

786
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 1: son you had. Our sexuality is fragile. Your ignorance contaminates.

787
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: The sickness is in massacres, fascism, mrs spreading virus. Information

788
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: is secure and wraps the vaccine. God damn, wow, there's

789
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: so many levels to a called him out for his

790
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: Cohen is information that doesn't allergy about fascism, spread of

791
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: the virus. Information is the cure. Rapp is the next scene.

792
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: So that's so ill. Oh my god. I mean, considering

793
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: that this song is from he didn't even know. He

794
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: didn't even know, he didn't even know that was prophetic

795
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: to the futube. Bro, that's what we call off the dome. Ladies,

796
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm a little scared of this cat like how like

797
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: how you know? So that is what we got for

798
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: the music discussion and for the episode today, as it were,

799
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: So it's so good to have you back. Yet it's

800
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: good to be back. We got lots of great things

801
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: coming up, hopefully just as you're excited to dive into

802
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: some of these topics. Sided to some of these topics.

803
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: Apparently there are some anti Bolsonora protests coming up this weekend,

804
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: and so Alan So truly, who is a writer, researcher

805
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: and translator based in Um, think sal Paulo Um is

806
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: interesting coming on next week to just talk about the

807
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, sort of like a little more on this topic,

808
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: a little more in depth from his perspective on the

809
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: ground in Brazil. So touch on that and lots of

810
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 1: other good stuff in the weeks to come. So thanks

811
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: for tuning in. Gonna be back, missed y'all. Well, you

812
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: know we can't just let you get away that easy,

813
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: since I held it down at the opening a Joel,

814
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: Let's put her through the ringer, Let's get a beat,

815
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: Franco Bars, Let's get it. Let's exclusive. Ha ha ha

816
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: ha January almost a year were being hunking down and

817
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: aking aptomen, perpetually talking out and acting Nazia, leaving men

818
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: than on the crusted Silahasha bit of finding out, not

819
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: that I sucked around, although I found it out before

820
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: already knew what was the bus about? But what about

821
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: the bus? I wondered, if a one and how much

822
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: it allowed the possibility that could be a mother. Now

823
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: that I picked up to function, now enough to try

824
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: to run to town, but still struck. He has a

825
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: clusterfuck and so I shut it down, that is, and

826
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 1: felt ultras down a little. The thump pronounced a little

827
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: hot be something. I was all, let's have my job,

828
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: practically struck the ground as that's suddenly they really loved

829
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: the job. Shout out the baby a sun more, not

830
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: just twenty six one. It's good to be bad. He

831
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm dope. Nice Homelyn, go Franca. We are waiting on reparations.

832
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Speaker 1: See you all next week. Waitning on reparations to the

833
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,920
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834
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Speaker 1: check out the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever

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