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Speaker 1: Interesting topic today, something we've actually aunt Man and I

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Speaker 1: we've had other things that we needed to cover because

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Speaker 1: of things going on in the world, and so today

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 1: This spurred from a series of lectures and videos that

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Speaker 1: we came across of MIT predicting the collapse total collapse

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Speaker 1: out in nineteen seventy two. So ant Man and I,

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Speaker 1: you and I started kind of diving into this and thinking,

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Speaker 1: a couple of twofold one, what does this mean for society?

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Speaker 1: And when you see and the reason I see stuff

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Speaker 1: like MIT, you go, these guys are pretty smart. You know,

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Speaker 1: I have I have a couple at our church, both

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Speaker 1: I'm graduated MIT. Really their sons att now brilliant. You know,

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Speaker 3: That's Massachusetts Institute of Technology, right. Yeah, So.

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Speaker 1: MIT predicts through computer modeling, which in nineteen seventy two,

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Speaker 1: before either were born. Yeah, computers had about as much

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Speaker 2: Two, So this is actually a really big deal.

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Speaker 1: You can imagine the guys in the in the rooms,

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Speaker 3: One computer was the size of this room.

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Speaker 1: But what they did was, let me back up. The

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Speaker 1: reason we're discussing it is because it's Mit. We wouldn't

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Speaker 1: just take a random a random guy that's making a prediction.

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Speaker 1: We're kind of looking at if Mit said this in

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, where does that leave us today as

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Speaker 1: we record this in twenty twenty five. And what the

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Speaker 1: computer was doing was modeling different scenarios of civilization, one

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Speaker 1: was like, well then there was like a business as

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Speaker 3: Or without soil, right, or without.

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Speaker 1: Soil, let's run that model collapses in twenty forty you know, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Now let's run a model that maybe there's something else

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Speaker 3: It felt like that almost was the driving force. A

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Speaker 1: Right, So pollution, you know, what if we could fix

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Speaker 1: So that, yeah, so that the it's all doom and gloom,

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Speaker 1: and that's not what this podcast is about. You know

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Speaker 1: You will never say that with one of the unless

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Speaker 1: that's not what this is about. But the MIT study

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Speaker 2: Everyone in the in the world switched to socialism.

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Speaker 1: All we could all get rid of all the rich

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Speaker 1: Even if that was the right answer, communism not everyone's

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Speaker 3: You take the the I can't really can't separate it.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, take take our spiritual thought process

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Speaker 3: out of it, okay? Is that just as humans? This

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Speaker 3: is going to be wrong when I say it. I

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Speaker 3: understand that is that we are resilient. We find a

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Speaker 3: way to get through, and they agree. But I don't

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Speaker 3: think we're resilient on our own. I don't like I'm

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Speaker 3: not resilient because I did something. I'm resilient because the

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Speaker 3: Lord smiled and and and gave me another day to

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Speaker 3: wake up and breathe. So I can't I say, on

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Speaker 3: one hand, I say, let's take that out of it,

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Speaker 3: and you really can't. But if you, if you look

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Speaker 3: at it, I don't know about a collapse like of

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Speaker 3: going back to two billion people versus seven or eight

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Speaker 1: You know, when we started ee apparel. We had no

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Speaker 1: I get that message on my phone. I'll say happy birthday,

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Speaker 1: happy anniversary, whatever personalized message you want me to say

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Speaker 1: to whoever you want me to say it to.

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Speaker 1: Go to cameo dot com slash granger Smith. Well, if

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Speaker 1: we do go back to two billion, you and I

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Speaker 1: are probably dead. I don't know if we're going to

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Speaker 1: make it too, but I don't if we're going to

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Speaker 1: make the percentage. But what we should what we should

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Speaker 1: do now is we'll take this podcast and start heading

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Speaker 1: down a new path of how would a Christian think

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Speaker 1: through these type of things. Now, we're also coming to

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Speaker 1: a head with two matters that we would like to

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Speaker 1: discuss in the future. So you're producing this show, so

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Speaker 1: I'll just in real time, I'll just shoot these out there.

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Speaker 1: Christian nationalism, Okay, we're gonna we want to address this

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Speaker 1: at some some future.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't mean what are the benefits? What are the dangers?

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Speaker 1: And then we had a good discussion with the CEO

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Speaker 1: of Focus on the Family and one of the questions

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Speaker 1: we had we've already recorded this and we're going to

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Speaker 1: ask it to one.

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Speaker 2: Of these podcasts.

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Speaker 1: But one of the questions that came up in that

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Speaker 1: one that podcast was, or that episode or that segment

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Speaker 1: was with everything we've said, especially with what we're talking

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Speaker 1: about right now, what about the couple out there that's

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Speaker 1: like thinking about having a baby.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you say I.

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Speaker 1: Just listened to this podcast in Granger's saying, there's like

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Speaker 1: a fifty chance that everything's going to collapse by in

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Speaker 1: fifteen years. Do I want to have a baby, And

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Speaker 1: yet he's also saying that part of the problem is

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Speaker 1: not enough people are having baby, right, But do I

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Speaker 1: want to contribute to that problem or do I want

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Speaker 1: bring a baby into this world?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with only.

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Speaker 1: And what in fifteen years that baby's going to see

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Speaker 1: mass extinction of the human race.

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Speaker 2: Death and destruction. That sounds awful.

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Speaker 1: Well, we answered that question already with the CEO of

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Speaker 1: Focus on the Family, Jim Daily. So I don't know

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Speaker 1: when we're going to bring that in or if we

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Speaker 1: go down any of these paths, but regardless, I'll let

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Speaker 1: you lead us. But regardless, let's let's just think about

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Speaker 1: how a Christian would and how the Bible could inform us,

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Speaker 1: because as a non Christian I thought very differently.

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Speaker 2: About these type things. Sure, yeah, And as a Christian.

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Speaker 1: I'm on a completely different spectrum. And one way I

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Speaker 1: would think about it is as a non Christian, I

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Speaker 1: would have been the one all in on the prepping

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Speaker 1: and the homesteading and the getting out of society. Get

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Speaker 1: me in a valley in Colorado, that's not inhabited, and

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Speaker 1: let me get on a completely off the grid, self

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Speaker 1: sustaining farm.

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Speaker 3: A place that looked like that place that you saw

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Speaker 3: in Cuba.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me replicate that place in Cuba in some

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Speaker 1: mountaintown though in the Appalachians, or in the Rockies where

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Speaker 1: we have endless water and game and farming, and let

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Speaker 1: me do that. But as a Christian, I go. I

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Speaker 1: don't leave the people. I can't leave God's people because

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Speaker 1: they're my mission field. And as long as I have

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Speaker 1: breath and a beat in my heart, the Gospel must

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Speaker 1: be spread to the ends of the earth. And if

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Speaker 1: one of the ways, I either get to the end

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Speaker 1: of the earth on an airplane, or I get to

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Speaker 1: the end of the earth because they're coming to me,

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Speaker 1: or I'm on foot, or I'm in a neighbor I'm

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Speaker 1: in a neighborhood. But either way, people must know the gospel,

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Speaker 1: which is God created the world and it was perfect,

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Speaker 1: and we as humans have rebelled against them ever since

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Speaker 1: we broke our relationship in the Garden of Eden, and

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Speaker 1: we could not reconcile ourselves to God. Every other religion

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Speaker 1: says you try to get to God and Christianity says

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Speaker 1: God came to us the incarnate son, the son named Emmanuel,

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Speaker 1: which means God with us. God came into his own

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Speaker 1: creation as a man, is as the son Jesus, to

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Speaker 1: live the life worthy of a sacrifice which he became

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Speaker 1: himself on the cross, died on the cross, was resurrected

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Speaker 1: by the Father, and then looks to the world and says,

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Speaker 1: anyone who believes in me will be forgiven, saved, counted

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Speaker 1: as righteous. No one goes to heaven unless you're righteous, yep.

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Speaker 1: And none of us are righteous. We are bankrupt in

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Speaker 1: that area. Christ looks at mankind to those who follow

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Speaker 1: him through those who trust him, and says, count I

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Speaker 1: credit your bankrupt account with my righteousness, not yours. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to my kingdom, Welcome to Paradise. That is a message

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Speaker 1: that must go out. If I have fifteen years to

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Speaker 1: say it, or if I have this is my last

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Speaker 1: day on earth, or if I live a nice, fruitful

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Speaker 1: life till about eighty eight years old and die of

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Speaker 1: pancreatic cancer. Whatever my future is, I don't know. It's

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Speaker 1: none of my business, but I do know I must,

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Speaker 1: in obedience to our Lord, tell of this good news.

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Speaker 3: Amen, John fifteen sixteen, You did not choose me. I

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Speaker 3: chose you. That's got to make you comfortable, right, that's

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Speaker 2: Compels you. I chose them be obedient into that calling

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Speaker 2: that choosing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, great, what do you have for me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? What what do you have?

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Speaker 1: So I we always think about these things in Matthew

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Speaker 1: twenty four. This is when we talk about the signs

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Speaker 1: of the end of the age, and we see all

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Speaker 1: these things. We see the earthquakes, we see the wars

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Speaker 1: with the rumors of wars, the false prophets arising, we

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Speaker 1: see all things that we've talked about on the on

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Speaker 1: the the podcast when we talk about the end of times,

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Speaker 1: and and and and Jesus's point always in these things

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Speaker 1: is look to Him, Yeah, look to Christ.

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Speaker 2: Be you ready?

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Speaker 1: How how would you be ready? By being equipped with

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Speaker 1: the gospel. Let that gospel that what I just told

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Speaker 1: about God coming into humanity take root in you. And

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Speaker 1: what you said, John fifteen, I chose you. Take take

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Speaker 1: these ideas and let them, let that take roots so

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Speaker 1: deep in you that you fear the Lord. I've been

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Speaker 1: I was talking about this morning in my family worship

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Speaker 1: with my kids about fear of the Lord.

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Speaker 2: The fear of the Lord.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's such an interesting thought because the idea

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Speaker 1: is quite controversial, like why would you.

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Speaker 2: Teach your kids to fear God?

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Speaker 1: The in Proverbs Proverbs one seven, the fear of the

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Speaker 1: Lord is the beginning of knowledge. Fools despise wisdom and instruction.

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Speaker 1: We see, we see all all in the Bible, the

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Speaker 1: fear of the Lord. Well, think of it this way.

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Speaker 1: If you think about teaching your kids the look look

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Speaker 1: in front of you Proverbs one twenty nine. Because they

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Speaker 1: and none would have my counsel and despised all my reproof.

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Speaker 1: have their feel of their own devices the fear.

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Speaker 2: Of the Lord.

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Speaker 1: As we choose the fear of the Lord, it's not

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Speaker 1: like we're I was telling my kids. It's not like

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Speaker 1: we're inventing a fear. We're saying, yeah, go create a

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Speaker 1: fear of God. No, what I was telling my kids

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Speaker 1: is instead, think of it this way you already fear.

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Speaker 1: It's a fear that already exists. Choose whom you will fear?

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Speaker 1: Man are God? And this is easy for kids to

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Speaker 1: understand because they go into school. They think about if

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Speaker 1: they're if they're dressed the right way, if their shoes

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Speaker 1: look fine, or or or what will people think of

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Speaker 1: them when they answer a question in class? These are

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Speaker 1: This is all fear of man and what the Bible

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Speaker 1: talks about with fear of the Lord. This is a

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Speaker 1: reorientation of your fear. I choose to fear the Lord

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Speaker 1: over the already existing fear that I have of what

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Speaker 1: everyone else thinks of me, or what they what they

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Speaker 1: will do to me?

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Speaker 2: Like we'll they hurt me? Would they kill me? Would

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Speaker 2: they throw me in prison?

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Speaker 1: Will they will I not be able to eat because

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Speaker 1: I don't comply fear of man, fear of man, reorient

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Speaker 1: it to fear of God. And when that happens and

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Speaker 1: you hear about the end times, you don't start thinking,

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Speaker 1: I better cock my pistolah, I better go get a

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Speaker 1: little farm off the grid and protect my little bubbles.

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Speaker 2: Instead, you say, Lord, I fear. I don't fear that

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Fear losing food or people thieves coming and stealing what

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Speaker 1: I've protected in my little silo. Instead, Lord, I fear you,

663
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Speaker 1: and so because of that, I look to your word,

664
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Speaker 1: and you say the Gospel must go to all nations.

665
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Speaker 1: So Lord, I trust you, and I want to obey you.

666
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: And because I fear you, not man. Now it's almost

667
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: impossible to have complete loss of fear of man, of course,

668
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: but you want to fear the Lord more, follow him,

669
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Speaker 1: be sanctified by his word, and every day reading the Bible,

670
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Speaker 1: and through that we start to think of this study.

671
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Speaker 1: And in my team we go, Yah. Maybe that all

672
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Speaker 1: that means for me is that my time is more urgent. Yeah,

673
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: And I have less and less time to do anything

674
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Speaker 1: else that is in self indulgent. For me, going to

675
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Speaker 1: go take a vacation with my wife in a beautiful

676
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: tropical island. That sounds great. I don't know how much

677
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Speaker 1: time I have. I don't know how much time I

678
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Speaker 1: want to waste on myself. Now, I'm not I have

679
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Speaker 1: to be careful with what I'm saying. I'm not saying

680
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: that we should wear ourselves out working, working, working, and

681
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: not not ever take time with our wife that's not

682
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, But I am saying that in every

683
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Speaker 1: decision I make, I want to I want to make

684
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: sure I fear the Lord over. I fear the Lord

685
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: over Elon Musk population implosion, fear the Lord over Bill

686
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: Gates and whatever he's doing. I fear the Lord over Ai.

687
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: I fear the Lord over whatever else that might be

688
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: the next election or the a public murder, or a prosecution,

689
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: or a disease or COVID or what.

690
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: I fear the Lord over.

691
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Speaker 1: All of those things, all of it, and and the man.

692
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Speaker 1: I have no, absolutely no fear of a society collapse, right,

693
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Speaker 1: I don't.

694
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 2: I don't at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And maybe that's maybe that's the hesitation of my

696
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Speaker 3: answer to you.

697
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 2: You keep wanting to say something, and I keep no, no, no.

698
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: I enjoyed listening, But I think to you asked me

699
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: that question, and I feel like I haven't answered it.

700
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 3: But I think that that's where that that I don't

701
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Speaker 3: really I don't really have any fear of it. I don't.

702
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: I don't want to say it doesn't concern me, but

703
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: it doesn't concern with me. With what plans I proceed with, Yeah,

704
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: it doesn't concern with the mission that he has us on.

705
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Speaker 1: It doesn't It doesn't change your death date. That's already

706
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: it's already said, not at all.

707
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 3: Not at all, And that's why it doesn't. That's what

708
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 3: it doesn't you, I think you And that's it feels

709
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 3: like that I was going to say something. Now you're

710
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 3: just hitting on on on thoughts that I've I've had

711
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Speaker 3: as we've continued this conversation, is that that's not my fear,

712
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 3: so I haven't thought that much about it. My fear

713
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 3: is in the Lord and you know, doing his will

714
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 3: and making sure that I'm in you know, waking up

715
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 3: and getting in his word and and uh right, I've

716
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 3: got this Bible that I always use, and it's easy

717
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: for me to understand in LT, but I want to

718
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 3: dig deeper. So I've got an E. S V. That

719
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Speaker 3: I'll read the same passages from to see how they that.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm more concerned about, not not what date

721
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Speaker 3: it is. And oh, we're getting closer to that date

722
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Speaker 3: that m I T said we're going to drop the

723
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Speaker 3: two billion people. So something happens between now and then, Okay, great,

724
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: then that means I'm one day closer to him.

725
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know what's interesting about that is I

726
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Speaker 1: Caleb but cuts my hair at the forum. Yeah, messy

727
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Speaker 1: on it jew okay, And he was sometimes he actually

728
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Speaker 1: watches this podcast in their in their barbershop, which is cool.

729
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: He sent me pictures before of this podcast. But I

730
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: think I think it came up the other day. I

731
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: was going to speak at some conference and he was like,

732
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: does this whole Charlie Kirk thing. Does it make you

733
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: fearful of going out and speaking? Do you think twice?

734
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: And I immediately was like, I don't fear man like that.

735
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: It doesn't change anything from me nothing. I have zero

736
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: fear of that.

737
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Speaker 2: The Lord.

738
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Speaker 1: I trust the Lord will provide and will protect. Now,

739
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: when I left there, I was like, man, I should

740
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Speaker 1: have given more clarity. I spoke so fast, like, no,

741
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: I don't fear, I don't fear man, I should have

742
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: given more clarity in what I mean, because he was like,

743
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, I get it. That's noble of you.

744
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: He didn't say it that way, but but it's kind

745
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: of the whole idea of we could be reckless with

746
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: that idea and just go be careless and get ourselves killed,

747
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, and so I should have given myself more clarity,

748
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: because when I say those things, this is what I mean,

749
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: Hebrews says. The author of Heterbrews says that solid food

750
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: is for the mature, for those who have their powers

751
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.

752
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: You know, we've said on this podcast many times that training,

753
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: in many ways comes right here from the Bible, all

754
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: scriptures breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof,

755
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Speaker 1: for training and righteousness, that the Man of God may

756
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Speaker 1: be complete equipped for every good work. And so in

757
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: order to train our discernment, we live in the scriptures

758
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Speaker 1: every day and we're trained, and that grows our discernment

759
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: of good from evil, so that I'm at a conference

760
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Speaker 1: one day and they say, hey, Grangeer, we want you

761
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: to speak, and I go, I just felt evil. I

762
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: felt something here. My power of my powers of discernment

763
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: have been trained to distinguish good from evil, trained from

764
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Speaker 1: the word of God. So when I say I trust

765
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Speaker 1: the Lord, I'm not saying that in a flipant. I

766
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: don't care. I'll just go anywhere I'll be. I'll walk

767
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: into a line of fire and just well, it's a

768
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Speaker 1: fly by me. I don't care the Lord, pretend it's

769
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Speaker 1: not what I'm saying. I'm saying. The more and more

770
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Speaker 1: I'm trained in my discernment, the more I could trust

771
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: that the Lord will go Stop, don't do that, don't

772
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: walk in that room this man, don't trust this man.

773
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: Don't take this event. Stay in your seat, don't say

774
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: a word. Speak now now, don't speak all those things

775
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: that the Spirit gives you, these promptings when you go

776
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: I feel an evil presence here. I think I'm going

777
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: to go home, or I think I'm going to say something,

778
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: or I think I'm gonna keep my mouth closed right now.

779
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: These are This is discernment that we get from the

780
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit through training in his word. That's what's promised

781
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: to a Christian, and we can gain more and more

782
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: of that discernment.

783
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: So that's what I mean.

784
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Speaker 1: That's what I meant to Caleb when I said that, sure,

785
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: I don't care, I trust the Lord. What I mean

786
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: is I know the Holy Spirit will start guiding me.

787
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: I could still deceive myself. That's why being alongside other

788
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: believers who have a similar trained discernment is so important.

789
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Speaker 3: Well, and you also know that, just like previous episodes

790
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 3: that we talked about of this podcast, that the Holy

791
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: Spirit does lead you into a place that you get shot.

792
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: You already know, yeah, that was your day, that was

793
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 3: your time. That's exactly and this leads to something so much,

794
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,479
Speaker 3: so much bigger and so much. It leads to something else,

795
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: not just to the end of Grangersmith's life. The end.

796
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: Oh it's over. That's not how it ends.

797
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.

798
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one day I will meet my end. As

799
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Speaker 1: Elisha in the Bible was, you know, a healer of

800
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Speaker 1: so many and then one day the Bible says he

801
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: caught the illness of which he was to die.

802
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 3: Yep.

803
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: So sometimes you catch the illness that was always meant

804
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: to get you, or the bullet that was always meant

805
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: to get you. Yeah, this is the way it was

806
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: always going to end. But up until that point, you

807
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: gain this discernment of this feels evil. I'm going to

808
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: walk away from this or I've you know, when when

809
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: the first day I met Travis, I met him and

810
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: everything in me was like, go with him, yep, go

811
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: with him, He's mine. I felt that I didn't I

812
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: didn't hear a magical voice. I didn't. I just felt

813
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: go with him. He's mine. He's mine, like in other words,

814
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: he's good, right. And the more we are trained in

815
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: this word, the more we could discern these type things. Yeah,

816
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: so that would be the encouragement of whatever you hear

817
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: from m I t Or or Elon Musk or the

818
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: President of the United States. We need to be trained

819
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: every day in the Word of God. We need to

820
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: have a we need to have some kind of disciplined

821
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: system way of moving through scripture. Do you have your

822
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: you have your finger about forty.

823
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Speaker 3: Yeah, right now, just what you said, I think Matthew

824
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 3: twenty four thirty six. I want to get your translation

825
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: over there too. However, no one knows the day or

826
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Speaker 3: the hour when these things will happen, not even the

827
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 3: angels in heaven, nor the son Jesus himself. Only only

828
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: the Father knows.

829
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Speaker 2: Yeah what versus that.

830
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 3: That's Matthew twenty four thirty six.

831
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, did you hear the story of that that man,

832
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: that man that was predicting the end of the the

833
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: the rapture was going to happen. This is like, uh,

834
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Speaker 1: the most recent one September twenty third September twenty third,

835
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Speaker 1: the rapture is gonna happen. I think this guy's like

836
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: an Africa or something like a I guess he was

837
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Speaker 1: a prominent pastor because there were thousands of people outside

838
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: like looking.

839
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: Up at the sky waiting to be taken, waiting to

840
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: be raptured. You know, well as we right as we

841
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 3: record this, right now, it's Yom Kapoor, the day of atonement.

842
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: And that was the feast of trumpets.

843
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: That was yes.

844
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Speaker 1: And so he was saying, like all over social media,

845
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: which is so ridiculous to think about being on TikTok

846
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: and saying these things. But you said, the Lord told me.

847
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Speaker 1: That's why just a few seconds ago I was hesitant

848
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: to say. The Lord didn't speak to me to say

849
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: go with him. I just felt it in the in

850
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: the discernment within me. This man said the Lord spoke

851
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Speaker 1: to him and sayd September twenty third, I'm a rapture

852
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: of the people. And so he's guard going all over

853
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 1: the all over the news saying this, and then what happened.

854
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: They didn't leave the earth. Everyone stayed there.

855
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Speaker 3: Well that's that's what I Then, I'm concerned with a

856
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 3: pastor who says stuff like that, because it says in

857
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: Matthew read your verse that Matthew says, not even the

858
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 3: sun knows this. However, no one knows the day or

859
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 3: the hour when they these things will happen, not even

860
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: the angels. These dudes hang out with him, all around

861
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 3: him all day, singing praises to his name. They don't know.

862
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 3: And the son doesn't know. Only the father and you.

863
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you, didn't say that. Didn't say and you,

864
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Speaker 3: or and a pastor in Africa or whatever it is this, No,

865
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Speaker 3: only the father knows only that's one, one single, not

866
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Speaker 3: a pastor in Africa. They didn't say any it didn't

867
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Speaker 3: didn't mind. That's why I ask you to read yours too.

868
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 3: Just make sure that it wasn't in the ESV that way.

869
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Speaker 3: This is twenty four to thirty six. Matthew twenty four

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Speaker 3: to thirty six said, I did. That's that's comforting to

871
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 3: me though. So comforting is that, Okay, you don't worry

872
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: about it. And I think you understand this more when

873
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: you have kids, is he have Hey, don't worry about it.

874
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Speaker 3: I'll let you know when we get there. Are we

875
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 3: there yet? I'll let you know when we get there,

876
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 3: stop worrying about it. Play your Nintendo switch, play on

877
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 3: your right. I don't know, but stop asking me. Yeah,

878
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: so I'll know when we get there, and I'll tell

879
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Speaker 3: you so.

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00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: Speaking of children, and for the you know, the comment

881
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: that should anybody even have a baby? You know, if

882
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: if this all these predictions are right, and I'm not

883
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: saying that they are, We're just saying you and I

884
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: are saying from a human perspective, outside of the sovereignty

885
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: and providence of God, we could look at these models

886
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: and go, yeah, I can see, yeah, fifty to fifty,

887
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: we've got fifteen years last, that's the way things are heading. Sure,

888
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: nobody wants to have a baby. AI is about to

889
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: take over everything. It looks like, yeah, it looks like

890
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 1: maybe we got fifteen years until we dip down about

891
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: six billion people. Why would we have a baby. Well,

892
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: then we go to the most famous part of the

893
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: Book of Esther. That's which is just a beautiful, what

894
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: a beautiful, little tiny book.

895
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Speaker 2: It's ten short chapters.

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Speaker 1: If anyone wants to read the Book of Esther, it's

897
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Speaker 1: right before the Book of Job and the Bible, and

898
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Speaker 1: it is just such an encouragement. The book of Esther

899
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: does not mention the word or a name of God

900
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: at all. It never mentions prayer or the law of

901
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: God at all. Esther chapter what I'm going to go

902
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: to actually the most famous part, which is chapter four.

903
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: But it's ten short, very short chapters. No God, no prayers,

904
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: but it's still all that stuff is implied because it's

905
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: a story about God's people, and I don't I want

906
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: people to read it to hear the story from themselves.

907
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: But I'll just kind of butt into chapter four. They're

908
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: the people of God, the Jews are about to be

909
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: wiped out, and by by a corrupt adviser of the king. Basically,

910
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 1: Esther is a is a beautiful woman who has taken

911
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: the place of a queen. The king has taken favor

912
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: to her and loves her and will basically do anything

913
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: that she desires. He will give or do for her.

914
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: So when they find out that the people of God

915
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: the Jews, are going to be wiped out, she's thinking,

916
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: should I escape? Should I get out of here? Should

917
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: I should I flee? Should I go warn everybody? Should

918
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: I should I kill the king?

919
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: What should I do?

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Speaker 1: She's asking all these questions, and Mordecai, who's with her, says,

921
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: we'll go to the chapter four, we'll start at twelve.

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00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: And they told Mordecai what Esther had said. Then Mordecai

923
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: had told them they're they're, they're going back and forth

924
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: through mediators told them to reply to Esther. Do not

925
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: think to yourself that in the King's palace you will

926
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: escape any more than the other Jews, For if you

927
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: keep silent at this time, relief and deliverance will arise

928
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: for the Jews from another place, basically saying, you can

929
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: keep silent, God's gonna save his people regardless. God knows

930
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: his people, he will save them regardless. But you and

931
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: your father's house will perish. And here's the key. And

932
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: who knows whether you have not come to this, to

933
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: the kingdom for such a time as this man. Okay, Esther,

934
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: you could flee, you'll probably be killed. God's gonna save

935
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: his people anyway. But what if you are the way

936
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 1: that God's going to save them? What if you're here

937
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: for this reason? You could advise the King's he's got

938
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: your ear, he listens to you. You could say whatever

939
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: you want. Now, granted, God's going to.

940
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 2: Save his people. You might die.

941
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: But what if it's you, Esther, What if what if

942
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: you're here for this reason to save God's people, The

943
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: Lord will use you in this position that he gave

944
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: you to save all the people.

945
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: And this has happened many times.

946
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 3: In the bottle.

947
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: God used Daniel for the same purpose. A lot of

948
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: people came in for one purpose. And so to think

949
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: that the society is collapsing, oh no, Mit predicts that

950
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: they're so smart. And Massachusetts, what are we gonna do?

951
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: We're not the first society to think that. We are

952
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: far from the first society to think it might all

953
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: be over in about fifteen years.

954
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: That is not new.

955
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: Our problems with AI and society collapsing, they might seem

956
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: like they're huge problems, but they're unique to us and

957
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: they're relative to our life. But back here here in

958
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: the days of Esther, there was there were more problems,

959
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: and they thought everything was going to and all the

960
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: people are going to die. And when Daniel got taken

961
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: to the exiles, to the as an exile to the

962
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: Babylonians and the North got taken to Syria, the Assyrians,

963
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: everyone thought at that time society is collapsing. And Mordecai says, rightly,

964
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: who knows if you've not come to the kingdom for

965
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: such a time as this. That's the same to all

966
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: the listeners right.

967
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 3: Now I was talking about earlier. They didn't. They only

968
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: had a couple of variables. Right. One variable they didn't

969
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: think about in that seventy two to twenty forty or

970
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 3: twenty sixty, and it halfened in twenty forty was a

971
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 3: butt god. They didn't have a butt god variable. Psalm

972
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 3: thirty three, verse ten. The Lord frustrates the plans of

973
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 3: the nations and towards all of their schemes. But the

974
00:54:55,400 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 3: Lord's plans stand firm forever. They fact, they didn't factor

975
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 3: God into any of that. That's why I say it's

976
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty. Do does God come in the middle

977
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 3: of that and say no, I want it to go

978
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 3: a little longer. Then it goes longer. Maybe he comes

979
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 3: in the middle of that and goes, no, now's the time.

980
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 3: Then now's the time, amen? And I like that.

981
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 2: I do too.

982
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: I think that's a good way in this conversation. So

983
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: in the future Christian nationalism discussion.

984
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 4: Yep, let's all about that. Define it. What is it

985
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 4: Jim Daily are you one? And then CEO of Focus

986
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 4: on the Family. That's great converce. We'll build the conversations

987
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 4: around those two. Bud, There's so much to talk about.

988
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 4: We could talk for hours.

989
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but until then, we'll see y'alle. Thank you so

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00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: much for hanging out with me on this episode of

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Speaker 1: the Grangersmith Podcast.

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