1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Brooks shotgun snap, they'll drop back into an arching spinal 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: pass at the far side of the ins. Over the 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: several times touchdowns, the font digs impacted throw Cousins under 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: pressure immediately here it's sack today is Smith all over 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins single receiver electing because he stakes takes the 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: hand off, boot legs to his left, gets a block. 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: He looks waits brainbows over the metal head. Second Kevin 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: k the ten receiver emotion Rodgers gets the shotguns nap 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: hands off the Jones block from the garden at the 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: fifty breaks free book a tackle on the sideline courting 12 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: He's at the thirty, the twenty, kiss him good, fine 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: the ten the fine touchdown Aaron Jones, what's up? Everybody? 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to move the six presented by a r P 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: DJ and Bucky with you. Wishing everyone a merry Christmas. 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: Here Buck, we're right on the doorstep of Christmas. Right 17 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: on the doorstep. Happy holidays, however you celebrate. This is 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: a great season, great time to reflect, a great time 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: to be grateful for the things that we've been blessed with. 20 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: And to look forward to and no doubt, and we 21 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: had a really fascinating Monday night football game with uh 22 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: some big time playoff implications with the Green Bay Packers 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: going on the road and knocking off the Minnesota Vikings 24 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: to secure the NFC North title and and keep the 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: Packers hopes alive still in play uh to even get 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: the number one seat in the postseason. So a lot 27 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: on the line for the Packers as they come down 28 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: to this final week of the season, but a huge 29 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: win for them. We're going to talk about that. Uh, 30 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: not only that, buck, but how those teams were constructed. Um. 31 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: And also we had some pretty big news in the 32 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest. Yeah, how about Marshawn Lynch signing with the 33 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. I mean, she mean listen, just just jump 34 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: right into that and talk about that. DJ, Like, I 35 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: think what's interesting. I think what's interesting about this move? UM. 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: I feel like Marshawn Lynch was the guy who gave 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks their identity. As much as they talked 38 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: about the Legion of Bull and those things, I felt 39 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: like this team was kind of built around the Beast 40 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: mode phenomenon, powerfultball, being physical, being a finisher, doing all 41 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: those things. And I think what's interesting, um listening to 42 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll consistently talk about how they need to run 43 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: the football and how that is kind of like how 44 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: they're built on. But a couple of weeks ago, uh 45 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: R and I had a conversation with Brian Schottenheimer talking 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: about playing power football. Well, I think it goes back 47 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: to it's really mucky. More than anything, it's just the mindset, right, 48 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: you know, we want to be a physical football team 49 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: and everything comes off of our running game. When people 50 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: have to worry about our ability to run the football 51 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: behind Wayne Brown and Mikey Potty and and handed to 52 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: Chris Carson and those guys, what it opens up for 53 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: us with the play pass stuff. I mean that you 54 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: understand is is very, very difficult to stop. So look, 55 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: I mean you can just tell the Seattle Seahawks are 56 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: one of the teams that are kind of running counterculture 57 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: International Football League by kind of hanging their hat on 58 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: the running game. And with Marshawn coming back, I don't 59 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: know how much he can give them, but I do 60 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: know those five to seven carries that he would get 61 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: early in the game will kind of be tone setters, 62 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: and I think what he's able to do is kind 63 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 1: of whip the crowd into a frenzy, kind of get 64 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: that defense and everybody charged up seeing twenty four run, 65 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: and then if he gives them anything beyond that, I 66 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: think it's great because I don't think they have serious 67 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: expectations of him being a guy that can carry twenty 68 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: times in the football game. What's your guest book if 69 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: if he left let's say, uh, if he left in 70 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: a double X the last time he was there double XL. 71 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: When Marshawn Lynch comes back in for this game, is 72 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: that still fit? It's gonna be a type fit because 73 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: I saw I saw the cliffs that Tom pell Sero 74 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: had in the article. It's bigger. But I will say 75 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: this about him, and I will liken Marshawn Lynch to 76 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: Jerome bettis like they don't always have to be like 77 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: super swell in in excellent shape to be able to 78 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 1: do what they do. Think the one thing that never 79 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: goes away his footwork. Um for a big guy, he 80 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: had great feat. He could get in and out of 81 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: cuts and he could kind of dance in the hole. 82 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: But I think what they really are looking for. Is 83 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a rock a sledgehammer that can 84 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: come and do some of those things, and for them 85 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: to go and get Robert Turbin. Um that they're just 86 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: still gonna try and throw it in waves. But I 87 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: think it's just the ability to have the big fella 88 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: in the backfield. Maybe some of those four minute drives 89 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: to assaulted away. Um. I just think it's kind of 90 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: getting back to their identity. Yeah, I guess, I don't know. 91 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm just skeptical on this one man to just walk 92 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: right off the street and uh and think he'll be 93 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: able to go in there. I I agree with you 94 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: on the point that get the crowd energized. He'll bring 95 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: a lot of juice to a stadium that already has 96 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: a lot of juice up there in Seattle. Um. But man, 97 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: I look at that matchup and I think Marshawn is 98 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: gonna need a little bit of a runway to get going. 99 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you're gonna get it against 100 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: that front. I mean, maybe this is something that helps 101 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: them potentially in the in the first round of the postseason, 102 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: maybe they go on the road to Philadelphia. I don't 103 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: see it. I don't see an impact in this one 104 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: against the fort You know, I don't. I don't know 105 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: if I told you. Just like this kind of goes 106 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: back like Rerumber. John Snyder uh spent the bulk of 107 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: his career under Ron Wolf, and Ron Wolf had a 108 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: philosophy that at the end of every season to bring 109 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: in a vet. To bring in a vet just as 110 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: an insurance policy, just in case, um, when you get 111 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: into the postseason. To me, this is another move where 112 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: John Snyder is saying, like, look, I don't know how 113 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: much Marshawn has left, but just in case, we may 114 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: be able to squeeze a little bit out of we 115 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: get in the jam. Maybe the veteran can give us 116 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 1: one of those vintage performances. I kind of call it, like, look, 117 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm not a Laker fan, but you remember when the 118 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: Lakers have Ron Harper and Ron Harper wo kind of 119 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: sit at the end of the bed. You'll be stretched out. 120 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: He would have the heating fans on the knees and 121 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: then uh, Phil Jackson kind of calling me in. He'ld 122 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: come in and hit two jumpers, didn't get out the game. 123 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: I think this is what Marshawn Lynch is designed to be. 124 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: He's gonna come in, maybe give you five or six carries, 125 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: maybe in a short yard of situation, kind of set 126 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: the table and then the rest of the squad will 127 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: kind of carry them over the threshold. But he is 128 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: just the digit policy, the just in case guy UM 129 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: heading into the postseason, because I do believe they do 130 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: need a little juice, and when you have three running 131 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: backs go, you need someone who kind of knows the system. 132 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: I think it's probably easier to get mar shot up 133 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: to speed than a young guy who's never played. Well. 134 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: This is not something we were gonna talk about, but 135 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: I just got me thinking here for a second. I 136 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: want to pick your brain on this. You haven't been 137 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: on playoff teams, Um, you hear it. I hear both ways, 138 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: And I've been around some teams that were young and 139 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: some teams that were veteran teams. But you hear about 140 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: all the importance of of having been there, done that 141 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: factor on your team versus you also hear people say, 142 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: we don't know any better. We're young, and we don't 143 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: know any better, so just go out there and play 144 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: loose and have fun. Where you come down on that 145 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: in terms of what matters in the postseason. Um I 146 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: think experience matters in the postseason just because, um DJ, 147 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: you've you've been at those games. Like the speed of 148 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: the game is so much different in the playoffs than 149 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: the regular season, and sometimes it takes an older guy 150 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: to kind of look, hey, guys, let's steady it out, 151 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: like we'll we'll adjust to it. And sometimes because they 152 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: play in those games, it's not overwhelming. I actually believe 153 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: that is what happened last year with the Rams with 154 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 1: c J. Anderson and Tied Gurley. C J. Anderson had 155 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: been on that run with the Denver Broncos when they 156 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: went all the way to the Super Bowl, and so 157 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: in each round of the playoff, the speed, the temple in, 158 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: the intensity escalates and if you've been there before, you 159 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: kind of settle in quicker. And so there is a 160 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: value to having a veteran, but it doesn't guarantee anything 161 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: because sometimes young guys are more talented and they're just 162 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: better and so, but I do think coaches like having 163 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: that that veteran, uh kind of in the locker room, 164 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: in the huddle, someone that can kind of be a 165 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: calming influence when you have a bunch of young guys 166 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: on your squad. You know, it's funny because I bring 167 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: that up because I talked to somebody's in Philadelphia and 168 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: they actually brought up this point. They were like, look, yeah, 169 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: we're beat up. We know we're not a perfect team 170 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: or a flaw team. Where they said, look, we get 171 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: into the postseason, We've got a lot of guys with 172 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: a lot of pelts on the wall in the postseason. 173 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: He's you know what I mean, Like, you get in 174 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: there and you start looking at the zach Ertz, the 175 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: Fletcher Cox, the Brandon Grahams, the Malcolm Jenkins, that the Kelsey's, 176 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: Like these guys have been in a lot of postseason situations. 177 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: They've won a championship and the and they believe inside 178 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: that organization that matters. And DJ like to go back 179 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: and I know we we didn't. We we weren't gonna 180 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: go this rout, but let's talk about it. Like I 181 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: believe that was the biggest difference in them knocking off 182 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: the Cowboys on Sunday, Um Malcolm Jenkins played his tail 183 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: off like I was like, man, what happened to Malcolm Jenkins? 184 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: Like he is fired up, he's froth that he is 185 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: running around making plays. Fletcher Cotts showed up and made 186 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: some plays, and so as much as kind of some 187 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: of the no names made plays, you still had a 188 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: bunch of guys who who felt the confetti fault on 189 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: top of them. And I just believe that experience matters. 190 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: And when you get into the postseason, the one thing 191 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: we know, man, all all the records hit reset, everyone 192 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: is O n O, and all you have to do 193 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: is win three to have an opportunity to play for 194 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: the Lombardi. And so if you're the Philadelphia Eagles and 195 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: some of these other teams they have some veterans that 196 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: have kind of been through the fire, it certainly matters. 197 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: And just look at the New England pages and how 198 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: their experience always gives them a chance to pull off 199 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: the improbable. All to summarize that, it doesn't matter if 200 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: you come in with the Cobra Kaiser, if you're the Karate, 201 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: it's just get into the tournament. Maybe tournament, you got 202 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: a shot the wood. The whole thing that's true, right, 203 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: that matter? Uh, your thoughts last night? What happened with 204 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: the Packers and the Vikings? Okay, man, look thanks, So 205 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: here's the funny thing I think I'm so conditioned to 206 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: see the Packers play a certain way that is so 207 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: odd and unusual to see them in a different way. 208 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say this, and I know many people 209 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: like I know. We we don't take shots at the 210 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: great and Rodgers didn't have his a game, he didn't 211 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: have his fastball working last night. That he just off 212 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: a little bit, that the defense and kind of um 213 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: kind of affected him, harassed him a little bit. But 214 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: what the Packers were able to do. They have been 215 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: able to lean into their running game this year more 216 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: than any of the year in recent history. They have 217 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: been able to really hand the ball off to a 218 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: running back who has been a difference maker, Aaron Jones 219 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 1: twenty three carriers a hundred and fifty four yards to 220 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns. His ability to steady the offense and to 221 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: give them kind of that grinded out effect. It enables 222 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: the Packers to flip styles and to play a different way. 223 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: So often we're used to seeing the New England Pages 224 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: kind of do this. We're not used to seeing the 225 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: Packers say, Hey, you know what, here's what we're gonna do. 226 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: We don't lean in our defense, our running game a 227 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: couple of players from Aaron Rodgers, and we'll win the 228 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: game and we won't worry about what it looks like 229 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: to me. I'll give Matt Lafleur a lot of credit. 230 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know what kind of coach he would be, 231 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: but I give him credit for being able to build 232 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: an offense and build a team that is comfortable winning 233 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: with a few different styles. And I'll flip it over 234 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: to the other side. I went this morning and watched 235 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: all of Kirk Cousins throws in that game Buck, and 236 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: I thought they did a really good job defensively. Number 237 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: one kind of widened out a little bit on the edges. 238 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: He wasn't able to get outside, which is where he 239 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 1: was comfortable. I thought early on in this game. This 240 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: is something I was kind of baffled watching the Chargers 241 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: play really against this Vikings team, as well as the 242 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: Raiders the previous week. When you have teams that want 243 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: to just throw stick routes and it's just three step 244 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: balls gone and you can't, it's tough to get home 245 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: in those situations. If you can't get home, get your 246 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: hands up. And I saw them get three ends up 247 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: early in that game, knock a ball down. Um, they 248 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: kind of smothered this group didn't really show much respect, 249 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: uh to this receiving corner. They got beat over the 250 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: top a couple of times, but man, for the most part, 251 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: buck Um, it was smothering and and anything they caught 252 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: underneath it was rally and tackle. And then once it 253 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: came down to it, it was a Darius Smith one 254 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: on one against Riley Reef and that did not end 255 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: well for the Vikings. Now I didn't end well for 256 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: the Vikings DJ. I think this is one of the 257 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: things that I probably got frustrated on Sunday watching Cowboys 258 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eago game. You talk about everyone living on the 259 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: quick game in the stick rouse. The only way you 260 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: can stop those things you have to um be willing 261 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: to walk up and challenge the wide receivers at the 262 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and hope that you can get early 263 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: rush or get hands up to kind of alter the 264 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: way the ball comes out from the pocket. If you 265 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: sit back in a traditional zone and just hope the 266 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: quarterback is going going to miss. Man like, quarterbacks are 267 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: too good. They're just papercut you all the way down 268 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: the field. And so for the Green Bay Packers to 269 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: play very aggressive at the line of scrimmage against what 270 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: I think is one of the better one to punches 271 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: on the outside and Adam Feeling and Stefan Dix. It 272 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: did show like I mean, maybe a lack of respect 273 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: or maybe a lack of respect for the quarterback. But regardless, 274 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: they knew that they couldn't allow Kirk Cousins to throw 275 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: in rhythm and on and on time to his playmakers. 276 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: They changed it up and they were able to win 277 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: because they went on the outside and then they Snip 278 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: Smith just absolutely dominated the game on the inside, no doubt. 279 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: And Uh, I want to get into, uh how these 280 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: teams were built a little but here We've done this 281 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: on a previous episode. I think we did it on 282 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: what the Niners and the Seahawks. Yes, Um, so looking 283 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: at these two teams, I want to take a little 284 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 1: bit of time here and go through this. So, UM, 285 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: let's start with the quarterbacks. Obviously, the Packers drafting Aaron 286 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: Rodgers when they already had Brett far everybody knows that story. 287 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: Then you have Kirk Cousins. Uh comes over with that 288 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: all fully guaranteed deal. I went back, um and found 289 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: my reports buck on these guys and and Uh, I'm 290 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: gonna pull up a little bit on Aaron Rodgers here. UM, 291 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: my eyesight is not that great and this print is 292 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: so small, but I'll kind of kind of get to 293 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: the to the end of the report here. Where is 294 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: it here? On one second, it's so small. This is 295 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: in like an Excel document, and so this is play 296 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: base Texas text. He was without his leading receivers but 297 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: still didn't throw the ball at the same confidence and 298 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: actually he did on tape while undersize he has all 299 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 1: the tools to be a solid starting quarterback in the NFL. UM. 300 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: You know, I talked early on about how Um led 301 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: the Bears that Uh, within a completion of an undefeated 302 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: regular season, UH completed sixty of his passes, twenty four 303 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: touchdowns eight picks, also at three rushing touchdowns under undersize 304 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: QB extremely productive efficient UM. He completely bought into the 305 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: mechanical fundamentals at Tedford stresses UH clean footwork, holds the 306 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: ball up by his ear. Remember that he ended up 307 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: dropping it down and loosening up a little bit. But 308 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: I think the one thing that kind of stood out 309 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: to me going back through his report, Buck is unless 310 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: you stood next to Aaron Rodgers. You don't real he's 311 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: not a big guy. Man, He is not a big 312 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: guy at all. And uh no, he's not a big 313 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: live live It's funny how you said you went back. 314 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: So I went back and I um highlighted summary from 315 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: report and I just kind of took some notes. And 316 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: the interesting thing when I go back, I looked at 317 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: the grade I gave him. I gave him a seven 318 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: point oh on a scale goes up to eight oh 319 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: and so that is the bottom of the first round grade. 320 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: And in fact, during the West that year, I gave 321 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: h Aaron Rodgers and Alex Mean of the exact same grade. 322 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: I gave both of him seven ohs, so did I. 323 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: And so as they were stacked up, I gave both 324 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: six eights with a very little, very similar grading skill Yeah, 325 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: like and and so they were stacked up like side 326 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: by side, and it was just a matter of preference. 327 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: Um with Aaron Rodgers, Uh, I highlighted like efficient passer, 328 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: consistent rhythm thrower, very systematic, does a great job of 329 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: working through his progressions. He's a distributor. He lets his 330 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: playmaker makes plays. Um, and I actually thought he is 331 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: the perfect West Coast quarterback. In terms of the ball 332 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: comes out, it doesn't waste a lot of time. He 333 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: gets it out. Um. As you noted, he did have 334 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: the ball on the shelf like Tafford had done with 335 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: so many of the quarterbacks. But I talked about him 336 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: being a solid NFL starter and time, um, and I 337 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: think that's what uh kind of similar to what I 338 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: wrote about Alex Smith. And so you know, look, you 339 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: great guys, how you grade him. He was disappointed he 340 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: didn't go at the top. But I think a lot 341 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: of the things that we're seeing in him, um, in 342 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: his hey day, we're a little different. We didn't see 343 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: as much improvisation from Aaron Rodgers as a collegian as 344 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: we have seen him in Green Bay. We knew he 345 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: could move around a little bit, but we didn't know 346 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: he would be this guy that could kind of play 347 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: off platform and make these second reaction throws and that 348 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: would be kind of the basis of the Packers offense. 349 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: I kind of thought he was a guy that a 350 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: get to the top of my drop. I got the 351 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: playmakers is one to three and I play And so 352 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: sometimes it's funny when I see this offense get out 353 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: of sorts because Rogers doesn't necessarily show the discipline to 354 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: kind of work through the progression and just kind of 355 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: let the play work for him. It is so different 356 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: than how I viewed him coming out. How he's improved 357 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: dramatically but also has kind of changed his playing style 358 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: over the years. I wrote in my report, Buck, it 359 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: appears on tape that most of his reads, most of 360 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: his reads are are determined pre snap. He knows where 361 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: to go, he gets it there quickly. He's exceptionally accurate underneath. 362 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: And the USC game completed his first twenty three pass. Yes, 363 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm running games first thirty one of the first twenty 364 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: three completions, three passes were over ten yards, one out 365 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: and two curls. Um. So it was back football out, 366 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,239 Speaker 1: back football out exactly like you described. And the funny thing, 367 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: if you looked at Aaron Rodgers, if you went back 368 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: and watched him at Cow and watched how he plays now, 369 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: you could make the case, other than the fact that 370 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: he was extremely accurate and he's still extremely accurate, mechanically, 371 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: completely different stylistically, how he plays completely different. I mean, 372 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: it's it's a totally different quarterback. It's a different quarterback. 373 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: And so like let's use that to just think about, 374 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: like how we think about quarterbacks. Down we talked about 375 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: the evolution and using our imagination. I don't think my 376 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: imagination would ever allow me to envision and Rodgers to 377 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers that we saw at col evolve into the 378 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: player that he is now in terms of his playing style, 379 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: because he didn't show any flashes of that at Kale, 380 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: that he would be this guy that would run around 381 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: and discount, double check and do all. He didn't do 382 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: any of that, and so look at him. But also 383 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: he had three years to develop on the practice field 384 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 1: before he was forced onto the field. And I know 385 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: that Mike McCarthy really kind of tore down his mechanics 386 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: and kind of built them back up. And so maybe 387 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: that is the deal um as to why his game 388 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: was able to evolve over time because he had more 389 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: time to really work on it in practice as opposed 390 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: to being forced to play and have to deal with 391 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: a harsh scrutiny that comes along with that as well. 392 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Kirk Cousins here. This is 393 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: my Kirk Cousins report, UH three year starter lean frame 394 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: lines up under center in the gun foot quickness in 395 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: this drop avoids false steps, high quick delivery can generate 396 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: the philosophy to make all throws at his best. When 397 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: he gets a good pre snap, Breed hits his back 398 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: foot and gets the ball out. Accuracy is consistent in 399 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: the quick game. Gets in trouble when his first reads 400 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: taken away. He'll either panic or force the ball into 401 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: high traffic areas or freeze up and take bad sacks. 402 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: He lacks poison playmaking ability. When things break down, he 403 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: loses his cool. Needs to improve ability to anticipate on 404 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: intermediate and deep balls. Has arm strength to get the 405 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: ball there, but he waits too long and allows health 406 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: defenders to get involved in the play. Very accurate on 407 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: design rollouts, uh He's good at scoring his shoulders when 408 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: he rolls left, putting the ball in the field. Shoulder 409 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: ball security needs to improve. Had a bad red zone 410 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: pick against Ohio State. Overall, this player has a lot 411 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: of areas to improve in this game, but I do 412 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,479 Speaker 1: like his arm and athletic ability. I can endorse him 413 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: as a potential starter, but has the tools to be 414 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: very capable and dependable. Number two so I was a 415 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: little bit lower on hunt Kirk Cousins than win. But 416 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: I think some of the negatives in there you've seen 417 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: creep up and I think, look, man, I think he 418 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: he is what he is DJ I. I went and 419 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: watched him. I think he played in the Big Ten 420 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: championship game against Russell Wilson. If I'm not mistaken, I 421 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: came here if doing the same side or what everybody. Yeah, 422 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: But I went watch him, and I I did a 423 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: report because I didn't cross check him, but I remember 424 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: looking at him and and I wrote down, look, man, 425 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: solid overall player leader uh connected dots type, doesn't have 426 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: necessarily blue characteristics UM in terms of arm strength and 427 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: arm talent, but does just enough to get the job done. Uh. 428 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: I wrote at the bottom of report, developmental player. A 429 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: guy that could grow into being a starter, but he's 430 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: someone who would need time to grow and develop into 431 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: being a guy that can kind of run an offense 432 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: and run a team. I mean it was nothing. I 433 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: think it like nothing, just very non descriptire was not 434 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: a lot of wild or sizzle factor to him. And 435 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: I think, um, you know when we go back and 436 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: we read our reports on players, and you go back 437 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: and you think, like, look, he came in the fourth 438 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: round pick and I believe us kind of what he was, 439 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: and he played really well for the Redskins in that system. 440 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: And I think, um, the thing that we can learn 441 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: about Kurt is like, man, look, there's a path to 442 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: victory for every player. There's a path to success for 443 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: every player. And I think Kurt has a lane um 444 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: that works for him. I think the offense that he's 445 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: currently playing in really works for him. The stretched boots system, 446 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: getting the ball out using movement, um passes, using some 447 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: drop back but drop back off play action. That's what 448 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: works for him. I do not believe that he is 449 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: a guy that can drop back like traditional straight drop 450 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: backs without the threat of the run and throw at 451 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: forty or fifty times and win on his arm talent alone. 452 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: And so I think when we saw a game like 453 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 1: UM Monday night, we saw a Green Bay package team 454 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 1: that was able to suffocate around, probably because they didn't 455 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: have the running backs necessary to do it. When you 456 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: have to put it all on Kurt and Kurt has 457 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: to win it without that stuff, it's tougher for him 458 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: because I don't know if he's purely talented enough to 459 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: be able to overcome some of those things well. I 460 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: think it's I think it's possible to say this about 461 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 1: Kurt Cousins. You can be a very good player without 462 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: being a playmaker. Yes, And I think that's what he is. 463 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: I think he's a good football player. He is not 464 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: a playmaker. He is not going to create something that 465 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: does not already exist. He is going to paint between 466 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: the lines. Yeah, Like that's how That's how he plays, 467 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: and that's that can be a good thing and a 468 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: bad thing. Look, man, the best way that I could 469 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: describe it in my report, I said, look, he's a 470 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 1: connected dots player. Um uh. As you talk about like 471 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: opening up your coloring book and you just kind of 472 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: paint by numbers for him. I think that's very much 473 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: like it. Like it is when the coach draws up 474 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 1: to play and he says, hey, this is your progression 475 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: one to two to three. If those things fall in order, 476 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: I think he understands that anything that's out of whack, 477 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: anything that forces him to deviate from that normal track, 478 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the ability to do it. And so 479 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: it just puts a lot of almost a stress. It 480 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: puts a premium on the coaching, and it also puts 481 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: a premium on surrounding him with the right weapons where 482 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: those guys can win so he can stay on script. 483 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: But look, you look, he can't change he is who 484 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: he is. I just think you have to know exactly 485 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: what you're dealing with. When you have Kirk Cousins, you 486 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: can win, but you gotta have the right things around 487 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: him and you gotta have the right system in place 488 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: for him to be able to win consistently on. So 489 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: we've talked about the quarterbacks of these teams, how they 490 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: were built. If you look at how the roster is 491 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: constructed as darting their identical the Packers twenty eight of 492 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: their guys drafted, the Vikings thirty of their guys free 493 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: agency and waivers the Packers, the Vikings twenty three. The 494 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: Packers have one trade player on their team via trade. 495 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: The Vikings don't have any. But I think what's notable 496 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: we could say about um this area of roster acquisition, 497 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: that there's been a big change there. You knew with 498 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: Ted there in Green Bay, he was not a free 499 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: agent guy. Did not like to me, like to grow 500 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: him up and resign him. And then that's how they 501 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: did it. That's how they replenished their roster and I 502 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: think you've seen a much more aggressive approach and and 503 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: no better example than uh Sa, Darius Smith and Preston 504 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: Smith and the impact that they've had on this defense. Yeah. Look, 505 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: it has been a little deviation in the philosophy, but 506 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: going back, haven't spent three years in Green Bay as 507 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: a player, I can tell you. Part of the reason 508 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: why the philosophy was like that was because there was 509 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: a time in the early nineties where you couldn't get 510 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: players to want to come to Green Bay as a 511 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: free agent. Reggie White was the first UM, big name 512 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: free agent to come to Green Bay and it kind 513 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: of led others to come because, like to be honest, 514 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't a place where um many blacks played or 515 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: many backs. Blacks felt like, oh, I could go and 516 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: do that. And so part of the reason why the 517 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: Packers had a philosophy because if you drafted, developed, resigned them, 518 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: that was the way that you could secure your talent 519 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: and make sure you got it. What Green Bay has grown, 520 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: the city is a little different than it had been 521 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: in the early nineties, and you're seeing more people say, oh, 522 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: I'll go to Green Bay and play because it is 523 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: a very small town field but it's very very easy 524 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: and friendly for the players. And I think what Goody 525 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: has done is he's taken the philosophy that Ron wolf 526 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: at and he's kind of stretched it out a little 527 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: bit because Ron would make an occasional play for a 528 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: free agent. But I think what Goody is doing is like, look, man, 529 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: that's a lot of pressure to say, hey, we're just 530 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: gonna draft our own, sign our own or whatever, because 531 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: it means you have to hit on so many picks 532 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: and it's just impossible to do. So now, let's draft 533 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: what we can and hopefully that nucleus will come out 534 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: of the draft, and then the free agent market will 535 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: allow us to kind of plug and fill in the holes. 536 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: And what we've seen since Goody has taken over, that's 537 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: what they've done. They've done a really good job of 538 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: filling in the holes with god us from the free 539 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: agent market and has really worked out well. This is 540 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: like for both teams, this is the way that you 541 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: have to build a team in a mind there, yes, 542 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: you lean on the draft because it's the most economical way, 543 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: but you also have to go and get the players 544 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: that you need to fill out the rest of your 545 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: roster and when you flip it over back to the 546 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: to the Vikings really really in terms of paying guys 547 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: been really more paying their own guys. I mean Riley Reef, 548 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: Um they went on got him as a free agent. 549 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: But for the most part, you're talking about guys like 550 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: Adam Feeling getting resigned, You're talking about Anthony Barr getting 551 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of money. Um, they had a lot of 552 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: money tied up into that linebacker group, by the way, 553 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: which is one of the better groups, uh in the league. 554 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 1: But it's been a little bit more of of kind 555 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: of take care of your own there and not being 556 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: quite as aggressive, which after seeing what the Packers have done, Uh, 557 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: maybe a Spielman Rick Spielman in this upcoming off season 558 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: might lend himself to be a tad bit more aggressive. Um. 559 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 1: I guess obviously you'd have to say Kirk Cousins was 560 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: the big was there big that that was the big 561 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: Guess I can't leave that one out. So that was 562 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: a big position. Yeah, that is a big get and 563 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: that was the one that they were hoping we pushed 564 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 1: him over the up. It hasn't worked out yet. We'll 565 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: see how it plays out in the postseason. But yeah, 566 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: like the the entire thing for the Packers and the Vikings. 567 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: The Vikings, look, you want to draft to have everything 568 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: in place for when you need that big marquee player. 569 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: They tried to draft a quarterback. They've done it a 570 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: couple of times and it had necessarily worked out Christian 571 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: pond of being the last one that they kind of 572 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: invested in. So they tried to go and get an 573 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: established player like Kirk Cousins, thinking that we got everything 574 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: in place, we just need to put the cherry on 575 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: top of the Sunday. And he's been okay. I mean, 576 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure they expected more for what they pay, but look, 577 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: he's a solid starting quarterback. We'll see. The big thing 578 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: will be he has another Kirk Cousin has another year 579 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: on his deal. How do I how do the Vikings 580 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: attack and approach the quarterback position, because if they're going 581 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: to move on from Kurt at the end of his deal, 582 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: they probably need to draft a quarterback this year so 583 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: they can get them ready to be the starting quarterback 584 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: in one. Uh. It'll be interesting to see how the 585 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: Vikings play this out. But yeah, like both teams of 586 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: built in similar fashion. Uh. They want to draft, they 587 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: want to develop their own and then just add a 588 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: few critical pieces in free agency. They helped him get 589 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: over the top. But we talked about those two general managers, 590 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: goody as as we all call him, Brian Gutikins as 591 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: a kind of a career scout that worked his way 592 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: and climbed up the ladder. UH is doing a nice 593 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: job there with the Green Bay Packers. And then Rick 594 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: Spielman same thing, somebody who really worked his way up 595 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: through UH personnel. Obviously everybody knows about his connection with Chris. 596 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 1: There's brother Chris, but really two guys that are very 597 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: well respected by the scouts around the league, and two 598 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: guys are doing a really good job with their with 599 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: their organizations. Yeah, you know, and I think the thing 600 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: that that we could talk about in terms of looking 601 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: at both of their backgrounds um Brian Rutkas comes from 602 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: a college scouting background. He was a lifelong scout. He's 603 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: a guy that did most of the work on the 604 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: road like you and I did, working UM in the 605 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: college game, which is evaluating prospects, setting up boards, trying 606 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,160 Speaker 1: to project what a player will be at the next 607 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: level from the college ranks. Spielman has some of that 608 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: experience a couple of years as a college scout. Then 609 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: he kind of mixed his experience in Detroit as a 610 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 1: college and pro scout, and then from then on he's 611 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: been on the pro side. And you and I like, 612 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: we could talk about the differences, but to go from 613 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: college scouting to pro scouting. When you're scouting college it 614 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: is apples to oranges because you're projecting what an apple 615 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 1: can be as an orange. When you are a pro scout, 616 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 1: it is orange the orange. It's just a matter of 617 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how they fit and what may 618 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: happen is because of those experiences, you may see them 619 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: lean a certain way when it comes to philosophical like 620 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: the way you figure out how you want to build 621 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: your team. Um. It's interesting though that Brian Gutukis has 622 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: been more active in free agency because you would think, 623 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 1: based on all of that experience in the college world 624 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: that he would feel like the strengths his strimps would 625 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: be a less draft and develop it. So it says 626 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: a lot to him that he's like, maybe let's go 627 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: to the other way. No doubt to me. Pro Scott 628 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: and we used to always joke was just something you 629 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: could do if you just go buy the football cards 630 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: US and not telling you who the good players are. Um, 631 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: it's not that hard. But uh uh. The thing about 632 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: the pro side is it's more about allocation of resources, 633 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: you know what, assessing the proper value for players in 634 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: terms of who you want to pay and where you 635 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: want to spend your money. But for the most part, 636 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: it's it is oranges to oranges, you know, if they 637 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: can play or not. College wise, you're projecting, it's much 638 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: more difficult. Um that's why I think. I obviously like 639 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: somebody has a well rounded background I think to run 640 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: your organization. But given the choice of having somebody with 641 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: experience in one or the other, I would lean towards 642 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: somebody in college because, um that that's going to lead 643 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: you into the draft, which is the lifeblood if any 644 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: organization in my opinion. So both those guys have experienced 645 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: in that area. We look at coaches Buck just just 646 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: quickly here the Fleur. You've got the young, kind of bright, 647 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: up and coming coach, and then you've got Zimmer on 648 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: the other side. Uh, defensive guy. Obviously, I've been around forever. 649 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: It's just really shows you that to me, it's not 650 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: about necessarily um, the exs and ohs, while the floor 651 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: is is very well versed and the exs and os 652 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: and Zimmer is one of the best defensive mind in football. 653 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: You're trying to find the best leader, and I think 654 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: both these guys do it differently, but they've proven that 655 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: they're very h They're very solid in that area. Yeah, 656 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: I think they have done it in different ways, but 657 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: both have proven to be solid. And I had the 658 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: biggest concerns about Matt Lafleur in the at the outside 659 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: at the outset, just because look, man, he he hadn't 660 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: been in charge of the room, but for really one 661 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: year he was offensive coordinated for Tennessee Titans. And it's 662 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: less to do about X and os and more do 663 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: about hey, can he lead a group? In some of 664 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: the reports that you heard out of places where you've been, hey, 665 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: look man, he's kind of introvert, not necessarily a forceful leader. 666 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: So you wondered how his personality would work, uh in 667 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: front of the team, specifically, how would he worked with 668 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. But he has done a really good job 669 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: of being able to take Aaron and handle the personality, 670 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,959 Speaker 1: give Aaron what he needs, leads and some of what 671 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: he wants offensively while still building this team in a 672 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,479 Speaker 1: way that you have to be constructed to win your 673 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: division and really to compete with the top teams in 674 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: the NFC. So that's a credit to him. He also 675 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: inherited a team that I felt like still had a 676 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: solid foundation in place, even though Mike McCartney had struggled 677 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: at the end of his tenure, I still felt like 678 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: there was some intriguing weapons. He had a quarterback in place, 679 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: he has some young guys and Aaron Jones are running 680 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: back in place, had Davante Adams. But he has definitely 681 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: done a really good job of getting this team to 682 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: the next level. And also his hires, retaining Mike Petton, 683 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: so there was continuity on defense. Probably a smart hire 684 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: because now when you come in, you only have to 685 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: worry about revamping one side of the ball, not both 686 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: sides of the ball. And so it is worked for them, 687 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: And so give him credit for having a vision for 688 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: how this team would play out and forgetting this team 689 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: to play to his vision. I think it's it's interesting 690 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: when you look at the contrast here the fleur young 691 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: offensive coach. Um. He has a veteran established defensive coordinator 692 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: Mike Petton, who was around for a long time with 693 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: the Baltimore Raven has been around forever, very well respected. 694 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: Then you flip it over, you've got Zimmer been around 695 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: forever on the defensive side of the old veteran his 696 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, the young Kevin Stefanski, young fresh ideas kind 697 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: of some new school way of thinking. They're You're always 698 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: trying to find that balance, and I think if you 699 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: find yourself on the staff of the with all young dudes, 700 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: that's not necessarily a good thing. You find yourself on 701 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: the staff with all old dudes, don't necessarily think that's 702 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: a good thing. I think you have that balance of 703 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: that energy and the fresh, the young ideas versus the 704 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: tried and true, the stabilizing forces of the older coaches. 705 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: And I think both these groups have a good mix. Yeah, 706 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: I think I think that's important. I think, um, the 707 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: diversity that you speak about on the staff, young and old, 708 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: a mix of experience, guys coming from different thing because 709 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: ultimately you want to have a melting pot in terms 710 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: of a think tank where you have different ideas that 711 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: are able to kind of balance out the team and 712 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: enables you to kind of live in a few different 713 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: worlds while still maintaining like the identity of the team. 714 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: And I do believe Green Bay needed an infusion of 715 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: youth and energy for Matt Lafleur. And even though he 716 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: may be a little more introverted, that that youth, that 717 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: that young exuberance probably shows out and practices and the 718 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,719 Speaker 1: meetings and those things. For Mike Zamer, he's kind of 719 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: like the dad, the steadying hand, the one that can 720 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: kind of challenge and get on players, um while picking 721 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: them up. And then you think about Stefanski on offense 722 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: being the young idea guy. But remember he did a 723 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: great job of surrounding Stevanski with Gary Kubiak, who is 724 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: the master of the system that they're doing. So now 725 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 1: you always can go to the wise old elder and 726 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: get wisdom and asked a well what do you think 727 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: about this? And so I do believe it works. And 728 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 1: I think all coaches, particularly UM those who are trying 729 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: to do these rebuilds on the fly, all coaches should 730 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: lean to some mentors and some guys and have a 731 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: mix of experience because it only makes the team better 732 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: when you have um a diverse group at the front 733 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: of the room, no doubt. Uh, you bring up a 734 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: great point there. Um, all right, Buck, I think we're 735 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: I think we're about done. Man, anything else you want 736 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: to add before we get out of here? No, that 737 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: was pretty cool man. Like DJ, I know, like we've 738 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: talked about from a philosophical standpoint, um, building a team. 739 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: If we were ever to build a team, the best 740 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: way to do it is to build it to win 741 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: your division. And when I look at these teams, I 742 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: think they're definitely not only built to play in the 743 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: NFC North. Both teams are built to win the NFC 744 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: North because you gotta contend with quarterbacks. You need to 745 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: be able to control the ball, so running is a key, 746 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: and you have to have the right components on defense. 747 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: And when I look at these teams, they have pass rushers, 748 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: they have corners, and they have fast guys at the 749 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: second level that can make plays. That is why both 750 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: of these teams were able to ballot it out for 751 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: the NFC North crown. There you go, and that crown 752 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: will go to the Green Bay Packers. We'll see both 753 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: these teams in the postseason, though, Uh, their dreams of 754 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: a championship very much still alive. All right, that's gonna 755 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: do it for us. I want to miss you. Wish 756 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: you guys a merry Christmas, Happy holidays. Um, thank you 757 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 1: so much for checking us out out. We got a 758 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: great episode coming next week. I think we tease that previously, 759 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: but we've got that coming up next week, which is 760 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 1: going to be a compilation of the best sound we're 761 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: able to gather from talking to all these coaches that 762 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: we've talked to this year, which is gonna be phenomenal. 763 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna really enjoy that. We've got another 764 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: episode coming up on Thursday where we're gonna take a 765 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: look at some big NFL matchups as well as the 766 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,799 Speaker 1: college football playoff and what to expect there. So be 767 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: on the lookout for that buck. Merry Christmas, man, I 768 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: hope you have a wonderful, wonderful holiday. Uh what do 769 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: we what do we want for Christmas this year? Do 770 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: you have anything on your wish list? No? I don't 771 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: you know. Just just health, that's all we want. Does 772 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: everybody to be health? You want my family, merrors to 773 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: be take care of everybody. Just everybody to continue to 774 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: live frosts. That's it. There we go from your lips 775 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: to God's ears. All right, let's uh, let's get out here. 776 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening. For download. You 777 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: want to thank the bal Uh for producing, putting all 778 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: this together for us each and every week. Very thankful 779 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: for him and the job that he does. That's gonna 780 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 1: do it for us. Thank you guys so much for listening. 781 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: To Move the Sticks presented by A r P