Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, August nineteenth, and we
Speaker 1: are learning more about the details surrounding the death of
Speaker 1: actress Hayden Penetierre, including who was with her at the
Speaker 1: time of her death. And with this, welcome to this
Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ. This is certainly a big
Speaker 1: point of conversation right now, Robes. A lot of people
Speaker 1: might not be aware of her dating history, recent dating history, tumultuous,
Speaker 1: recent dating history. That guy was there, he was the
Speaker 1: one that plays the call.
Speaker 2: Yes, and this is you mentioned contentious, tumultuous, all of that. Yes,
Speaker 2: this is her on again, off again boyfriend that she
Speaker 2: started seeing pretty much as soon as her relationship with
Speaker 2: her fiance ended and her daughter moved over to Ukraine
Speaker 2: with her ex fiance, she pretty much immediately took up
Speaker 2: with this guy, Brian Hickerson is his name, third seven
Speaker 2: years old. And we're not just saying it was tumultuous.
Speaker 2: It's documented, there was legal action. This man is a
Speaker 2: convicted felon because of domestic violence incidents, and I say
Speaker 2: incidents that are.
Speaker 1: Plural involving Yes, Hayden Panetier, Robes, I wasn't that versed
Speaker 1: on her background with this guy, But as soon as
Speaker 1: she passed, a lot of people started bringing his name up,
Speaker 1: and not in an accusatory way, And we need to
Speaker 1: make sure we say that off the top. There is
Speaker 1: no body police included suggesting that this guy is in
Speaker 1: any way responsible for her death. We need to make
Speaker 1: that clear. No signs, nothing suspicious according to the authorities.
Speaker 1: But Robes, they started talking about him, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people are now surprised to hear they were together
Speaker 1: in South Carolina, which is where he is originally from.
Speaker 2: Exactly because look, it do seem as though and we're
Speaker 2: hearing from her mom, whom she wasn't even on speaking
Speaker 2: terms with at the time of her death, now speaking
Speaker 2: out but speaking out against Brian Hickerson again, not saying
Speaker 2: that he's responsible for her death, but frustrated by her
Speaker 2: daughter's continued involvement with him given all of their history.
Speaker 2: And I imagine, no matter what, mom, you are out there,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't want to think that your daughter was still
Speaker 2: with in a relationship with a man who had beaten
Speaker 2: her viciously violently multiple times.
Speaker 1: Over a couple of years. We're going to get into
Speaker 1: more details on that in the moment, but Also, this
Speaker 1: incident report that is out from the police, just to
Speaker 1: tell you some of the nuggets that are in there,
Speaker 1: does list Brian Hickerson, thirty seven year old white male
Speaker 1: as the complainant. Also witness to is Zach Hickerson. His
Speaker 1: brother was there as well. The official notes from the
Speaker 1: police officer and the reports that he was called for
Speaker 1: a call of a victim unresponsive and said quote ems
Speaker 1: attempted to perform life life saving methods for an extended
Speaker 1: amount of time before they called time of death. This
Speaker 1: was fourteen thirty one hours. The dispatch audio is where
Speaker 1: we get some word of their possible cardiac arrests or
Speaker 1: possible overdose. But still the autopsy has done and we
Speaker 1: do not have an official calls or manner of death.
Speaker 1: Let's get now, Robes to Brian Hickerson, who placed the call.
Speaker 1: You explained she started dating this guy almost immediately in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen after her split from her fiance. But Robes,
Speaker 1: they're dating history and it seemed fairly soon after. Tumult
Speaker 1: is one thing, Robes, violence is another, and this seemed
Speaker 1: to be a violent relationship.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And look, he actually ended up pleading no contest
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one to two counts of injuring a
Speaker 2: romantic partner. He was ordered to forty five days in jail.
Speaker 2: He served thirteen days behind bars, But as soon as
Speaker 2: last week before her death, he was trying to get
Speaker 2: his record amended. He wanted to expunge or clean up
Speaker 2: his criminal records, so to speak. He was working on
Speaker 2: that and look as a part of his process of
Speaker 2: going through the adjudication of these types of charges.
Speaker 1: He went through AA. He was.
Speaker 2: Not on parole, but he had a probation officer and
Speaker 2: he'd been going back for the last several years, so
Speaker 2: he was supposedly working on himself as well during this
Speaker 2: period of time. But there were multiple reported incidents of
Speaker 2: domestic violence issues beyond just the moment where he was
Speaker 2: actually charged and served those few days in jails for
Speaker 2: Dan Robes two counts.
Speaker 1: He ended up pleading contests too, but I think there
Speaker 1: was eight counts against him for incidents that happened over
Speaker 1: a two year period. This I did not realize Robes,
Speaker 1: this girl was going through hell, I babe, I did not.
Speaker 1: I'd seen some headlines here, but then reading up about
Speaker 1: it today, Robes the incidents that are described the years
Speaker 1: of this going on. Jesus, it's dark, it's sad.
Speaker 2: Your heart literally breaks for her because while all this
Speaker 2: is going on, she has a non existent relationship with
Speaker 2: her mom, and she spoke publicly about it. She wrote
Speaker 2: about it in her memoir, and she even spoke in
Speaker 2: one of the last interviews she gave about her memoir
Speaker 2: that she left a door open, she left a space open.
Speaker 1: She was hopeful that.
Speaker 2: One day she and her mom could have a relationship,
Speaker 2: that they could finally have that relationship she had always wanted.
Speaker 2: She described her mom as being this mamager basically like
Speaker 2: this business manager, and she said at one point she
Speaker 2: asked her, hey, can we no longer work together because
Speaker 2: I kind of just really need you to be my mom.
Speaker 2: And according to Hayden, her mom said to her, you
Speaker 2: owe me, And she realized she meant financially for all
Speaker 2: the hard work and years of dedication she spent to
Speaker 2: fostering and furthering Hayden's career, and that hit her like
Speaker 2: a gut punch.
Speaker 1: She talked about it, so this young lady who's already
Speaker 1: had struggles postpartum addiction, like these are things she had
Speaker 1: talked about openly already she had gone to rehab. We
Speaker 1: saw this stuff happen to her. And now throw into that,
Speaker 1: you're dealing in an industry robes that is even on
Speaker 1: your best day, you're having a bad day. And her
Speaker 1: daughter is living in across the world from her robes
Speaker 1: and so she doesn't have her mother either either, And
Speaker 1: what support system does she have is she's still surrounded
Speaker 1: by the guy who beat her for years. So I
Speaker 1: think that part is shocking, and it's that part is tragic,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what the relationship was, but just
Speaker 1: as a human being, you go, she's in his she
Speaker 1: died with him being the person that was near her,
Speaker 1: this guy. Something about that robes, I can understand that
Speaker 1: sets people off a little bit.
Speaker 2: I agree because when we first heard word and it
Speaker 2: was shocking, and it's frankly still is shocking that she's
Speaker 2: no longer here. But when you imagined the scene, when
Speaker 2: we heard the initial reports that she was found on responsive,
Speaker 2: I just imagine she was alone. I actually did not
Speaker 2: even think for one second there was someone with her.
Speaker 2: And according to the police reports, when they did show
Speaker 2: up to that Greenville apartment, it was the brother Zach
Speaker 2: who answered the door, and they said, you know, we
Speaker 2: got reports of an unresponsive female. He said, yes, my
Speaker 2: brother's girlfriend. He referred to her as his brother's girlfriend,
Speaker 2: not ex girlfriend or friend, but girlfriend. And they also
Speaker 2: noted that it wasn't until they declared her dead because
Speaker 2: they did work on her, they did try to revive her.
Speaker 2: But when they did declare her dead, that is when
Speaker 2: Hickerson actually showed emotion. Brian Hickerson. They did describe that
Speaker 2: in the police report, but we don't know how it
Speaker 2: got to that point. When it was to something in
Speaker 2: the afternoon, It wasn't even I was thinking when we
Speaker 2: first heard two o'clock, I thought, in the morning, like
Speaker 2: that's when you imagine these types of things happening overnight.
Speaker 2: Someone well, for whatever reason, maybe intentionally or unintentionally, did
Speaker 2: something out of desperation and despair. But in the middle
Speaker 2: of the afternoon, that was shocking to me. And to
Speaker 2: hear she was surrounded or was with two people at
Speaker 2: the time. How does that take place? How does that occur?
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll hear more about that, But that's because I
Speaker 1: wondered that they they were they gone and came back
Speaker 1: and discovered her. Was she asleep and she didn't wake up,
Speaker 1: and they went and checked on what happened? Who knows?
Speaker 2: And according to reports, they had just flown the day
Speaker 2: before from Los Angeles to South Carolina. So it just
Speaker 2: doesn't seem like there was some plan or some intention.
Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know what was going on, but
Speaker 2: we're obviously investigators are looking into figuring out the timeline,
Speaker 2: how things happen, when they happened, what happened, and when
Speaker 2: we get some of those I mean, we got some
Speaker 2: details from the off topsy, but there are still so
Speaker 2: many glaring missing holes as to what happened.
Speaker 1: Which day was this baby that she passed? Was it
Speaker 1: on Sunday?
Speaker 2: It was Sunday at two pm in the afternoon, So
Speaker 2: on Saturday, they traveled from LA to South Carolina, according
Speaker 2: to reports.
Speaker 1: Just so weird. You know, I'm weird like this, bro,
Speaker 1: It's just a weird I don't know, and you know
Speaker 1: I know this, and you know why I know it.
Speaker 1: But when you said two thirty, it triggered this thought.
Speaker 1: She died at two thirty on August the sixteenth. I
Speaker 1: always remember Elvis died at three point thirty on August
Speaker 1: the sixteenth. Wow, forty nine years ago. That's bizarre. It's
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just a weird little so close
Speaker 1: in times. So August sixteenth, they both down the same day,
Speaker 1: and they were both pronounced dead at around the same
Speaker 1: time in the afternoon. He was in Memphis, she's in Greenville,
Speaker 1: South Comeline. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just no, but that is that is a striking
Speaker 2: coincidence within an hour of each other, forty nine years apart.
Speaker 1: Part I don't get this anyway, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that's why you're writ yes, because when you
Speaker 1: said two thirty, I was like, wait a minute this.
Speaker 1: And the reason I know that is because my mom's
Speaker 1: due date with me was August sixteenth, nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 1: That was the day Elvis ended up dying. That's why
Speaker 1: I always know that bit of music history.
Speaker 2: My goodness.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And look, I'm not even sure what was Elvis's cause
Speaker 2: of death was.
Speaker 1: I think it was hard a heart attack, a heart.
Speaker 2: Attack, but it had nothing to do with an overdose.
Speaker 2: It had nothing to do with any complications leading to
Speaker 2: that heart attack.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't remember where there's official cause of
Speaker 1: death was listed as if it was listed as an overdose.
Speaker 1: They might have actually might have been.
Speaker 2: Wow, because this is also a cardiac issue according to police.
Speaker 2: So that's just so also eerily similar. I mean I
Speaker 2: never thought about that, but that Yes, I'm not as
Speaker 2: familiar with the Elvis cause of death and autopsy, but
Speaker 2: that would read and the official statement from the Greenville
Speaker 2: Police Department is this, an autopsy was completed. At autopsy,
Speaker 2: no signs of trauma were discovered that would have contributed
Speaker 2: to the death. The cause and manner of death remained
Speaker 2: pending further investigation and the completion of additional studies. The
Speaker 2: investigation remains active and ongoing. No further details are available
Speaker 2: for release at this time. But yeah, when you start
Speaker 2: to think about what we do know right now and
Speaker 2: what we know about Elvis's death, that is just a
Speaker 2: bizarre coincidence.
Speaker 1: His official was, yes, it was cardiac arrest. I remember
Speaker 1: that part. But yes, they found all kinds of prescription
Speaker 1: prescription drugs in his system, and they think all that
Speaker 1: you certainly contributed. I don't know, I just said it
Speaker 1: a minute.
Speaker 2: That sounds that is familiar, literally exactly what they are
Speaker 2: saying about Hayden's death right now, Like actually almost forbade
Speaker 2: them the same robes.
Speaker 1: I want to get to this before we take a
Speaker 1: little bit of a pause to two quotes from Hayden
Speaker 1: Penetier about her relationship with this guy. The first one
Speaker 1: here robes she gave after he was arrested for domestic violence.
Speaker 1: And there are things here that jumped out at me.
Speaker 1: And then there's a follow up to that one that
Speaker 1: certainly will jump out as well. And this I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what this tells us about where her head was
Speaker 1: through all this, but the first one was yes, after
Speaker 1: he was arrested, I think in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: The first time, yes, she said, I am coming forward
Speaker 2: with the truth about what happened to me, with the
Speaker 2: hope that my story will empower others in abusive relationships
Speaker 2: to get the help they need and deserve. I'm prepared
Speaker 2: to do my part to make sure this man never
Speaker 2: hurts anyone again. I'm grateful for my support system, which
Speaker 2: helped me find the courage to regain my voice and
Speaker 2: my life. So yes, she obviously turned him in. She's
Speaker 2: the reason why he was arrested and served a small
Speaker 2: amount of time.
Speaker 1: A strong statement the aerobes make sure this man never
Speaker 1: hurts anyone again. It is what she said about Brian Hickerson,
Speaker 1: who's called police to say she was unresponsive. This is
Speaker 1: the guy that was supposed to call and help save her.
Speaker 1: This guy she's talking about so far five years ago, okay,
Speaker 1: so follow up then to just four years ago. What
Speaker 1: she said robes what she said to People magazine about
Speaker 1: him in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: She said, none of it is okay, and I want
Speaker 2: to make sure that everybody knows that. But I am
Speaker 2: open to people who are willing to get help and
Speaker 2: make amends. He's gone to treatment and done his time,
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to live in a place of forgiveness.
Speaker 2: That was her explanation, I would imagine for continuing a
Speaker 2: relationship with him once he got out of prison, she
Speaker 2: saw him turning his life around, or at least attempting
Speaker 2: to saying he was sorry.
Speaker 1: But it does.
Speaker 2: It's difficult to get your head around the fact that,
Speaker 2: given that history, that he was there with her in
Speaker 2: the role of boyfriend. At least we believe, according to
Speaker 2: what his brother told police. At the time of her
Speaker 2: untimely death, she was just thirty six years old.
Speaker 1: Stay here, we're going to share one more quote from her.
Speaker 1: This is something she shared in a recent interview, and
Speaker 1: I guess you could call it, I guess part three
Speaker 1: of the quotes we've shared, and this one certainly gives
Speaker 1: us more insight to maybe where that relationship was. And
Speaker 1: also we'll let you hear from her mom, who also
Speaker 1: shared how she feels about the boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. We are getting
Speaker 2: a lot of new details, some new information, and frankly,
Speaker 2: some real insight into what may have happened to Hayden
Speaker 2: Pennetier who died shockingly on Sunday at two thirty one PM,
Speaker 2: and we've just found out that her on again, off again.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to describe this. Brian Hickerson,
Speaker 2: her boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Did domestic violent boyfriend correct?
Speaker 2: That is, I was going to say something to that extent,
Speaker 2: and I thought it.
Speaker 1: Was actually correct.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was too harsh, but no, that is exactly
Speaker 2: what he was, even at the time of her death.
Speaker 2: And you can see in her statements about him and
Speaker 2: what happened, how she went from saying I demand justice
Speaker 2: and I'm going to make sure he never hurts anyone
Speaker 2: again to saying I'm a forgiving person. I'm here to
Speaker 2: acknowledge that people can change and become better people. And
Speaker 2: then this most recent interview, she was.
Speaker 1: In an interview on a podcast robe and she was
Speaker 1: sharing journal entries from her time, I guess, and things
Speaker 1: about Brian Hickerson. And so that's why I kind of
Speaker 1: did him in sequence and robes you see here. I mean,
Speaker 1: just what she was going through, what her heart was
Speaker 1: going through, with her head. I mean, this.
Speaker 2: Sounds like she really loved this guy, even though he
Speaker 2: physically and I would imagine emotionally abused her for many
Speaker 2: many years. And I feel like this next quote, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: will probably resonate with a lot of women, with a
Speaker 2: lot of women out there, she said, I desperately wanted
Speaker 2: to make him a better person. I wanted to fix him.
Speaker 2: I'm a really strong person at my core, and anyone
Speaker 2: who knows me was shocked that I would ever allow
Speaker 2: anything like this to happen. That is such I just
Speaker 2: got chills. That is such a common response from women
Speaker 2: who have been abused. They on the outside look like strong,
Speaker 2: kick ass independent women, and not that they aren't, but
Speaker 2: somehow there's this vulnerability when you love someone, when you
Speaker 2: want someone to love you, this desire to forgive, to
Speaker 2: assume the best, to hope they've changed. I think so
Speaker 2: many women can absolutely relate with that feeling.
Speaker 1: And that's where she was and those things you list
Speaker 1: that makes you make you feel loved and you hope
Speaker 1: for this and that. But Robes, the other thing that
Speaker 1: factors in is a lot of these women do see
Speaker 1: genuine good and there are good traits or can be
Speaker 1: good traits, and a guy who also raises his hand
Speaker 1: a woman is trying to balance that out right. He
Speaker 1: had two bad days out of this month, but hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna focus on those twenty eight good days and
Speaker 1: not the two in which he injured me. What was
Speaker 1: she dealing with, Robes? Do we go back to twenty
Speaker 1: that from twenty twenty one saying I am gonna make
Speaker 1: sure I'm sharing my story. He should never hurt anybody
Speaker 1: to him being the one there to potentially save her.
Speaker 1: She had him in her life still in that intimate way. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's going through and the forgiveness
Speaker 1: and all that. Can that happen? I guess yes, Robes,
Speaker 1: I would like to hope it could. And if she
Speaker 1: accepted it then she accepted it. Robes. But this guy
Speaker 1: clearly had been bad news in her life.
Speaker 2: Yes, and we are hearing now for the first time
Speaker 2: directly from Hayden's own mother, and again like so this
Speaker 2: was Look we've detailed before, and I think anyone who
Speaker 2: has looked into Hayden's life, No, she was a child actress.
Speaker 2: When we say a child actress, she started performing or
Speaker 2: being paid as an actor, starting at eight months old.
Speaker 2: And if you look at her long list of contributions
Speaker 2: to the acting world, I mean they just it never stopped.
Speaker 2: She was a working actress from eight months on. This
Speaker 2: wasn't just a one off. She was in multiple commercials,
Speaker 2: TV shows, movies, and it continued. And who was behind
Speaker 2: the scenes the entire time managing her career her mother?
Speaker 1: Was she a like a successful long running actress soap operas?
Speaker 1: Does she have like a starring role? Her mother?
Speaker 2: Her mom wasn't did something on so she I'm not
Speaker 2: that familiar with her career, but she was an actress.
Speaker 2: But no, Hayden obviously was the star. And it was
Speaker 2: almost Look we see this all the time where you've
Speaker 2: got the stage mom and the mom whose career didn't
Speaker 2: make it to where she wanted it to go. And
Speaker 2: so she relives her lost fame or her what she
Speaker 2: wanted for herself, and she she puts it into her daughter,
Speaker 2: and she pushes her daughter, and she supports her daughter
Speaker 2: to follow her dream. And that does seem like this
Speaker 2: is what happened in this case, not that Hayden didn't
Speaker 2: want to be an actress, not that Hayden wasn't a
Speaker 2: phenomenal actress. I think everyone who's worked with her, and
Speaker 2: certainly who have enjoyed her shows and her movies would
Speaker 2: agree she was a talented young woman. But no one
Speaker 2: decides if they want to be an actress at eight
Speaker 2: months old. No one decides at five that they want
Speaker 2: to keep acting. No, the mom is was the fuel
Speaker 2: behind the catalyst and the fuel behind her career period.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just saw, I didn't I just make sure
Speaker 1: I didn't miss she was some star and some show
Speaker 1: I didn't watch.
Speaker 2: Into seventeen now, But then, yes, it's so sad to
Speaker 2: see someone who was that invested in her daughter's career
Speaker 2: to no longer be a part of her daughter's life.
Speaker 1: How long did you get a sense of how long
Speaker 1: it's been years? Oh?
Speaker 2: It's been it's been quite some time, I believe. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've seen pictures of them throughout the years, but it
Speaker 2: seems like it had been several several years, and certainly
Speaker 2: this past May, when she went on her book tour
Speaker 2: and started speaking about what was in her book, she
Speaker 2: made it very clear that she and her mom were
Speaker 2: no longer on speaking to terms sucks, totally sucks. And yes,
Speaker 2: her mom did speak to NBC News over the phone,
Speaker 2: and we have some quotes from that interview where we
Speaker 2: hear from her saying, this person in her life that
Speaker 2: we have been trying to get rid of for quite
Speaker 2: some time was with her at her death, and that
Speaker 2: was Brian Hickerson. And when she says we, she mean
Speaker 2: she and her dad, Hayden's dad's skip, which by the way,
Speaker 2: she apparently had a very close relationship with. So look,
Speaker 2: we talk about who she had in her life, who
Speaker 2: could have supported her, who was well intentioned and had
Speaker 2: her best interest at heart. Her father, at least, she
Speaker 2: had him in her life even at the end. They
Speaker 2: never they remained close by all accounts, but her mom
Speaker 2: went on to say, I think Hayden was an amazingly
Speaker 2: talented person in so many departments. And I think young
Speaker 2: people who grow up in the entertainment industry, it is
Speaker 2: a struggle, and it's a very challenging industry, and it's
Speaker 2: not unusual for them to sadly find the wrong path.
Speaker 2: I think it becomes very difficult to be true to yourself,
Speaker 2: and I think Hayden sadly lost her way, and I
Speaker 2: wish it were different. I wish she had stayed true
Speaker 2: to herself because she had many incredible attributes.
Speaker 1: Thought that was so cold. I was just about to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: she could really use her mom.
Speaker 2: She only talked about her talent and her career.
Speaker 1: Now my sweet baby girl.
Speaker 2: And what she pred like. It wasn't about who she was,
Speaker 2: it was about what she did. I just that statement,
Speaker 2: right there was fairly chilling to me.
Speaker 1: Well, it shows, yes, they didn't have their relationship. She
Speaker 1: spoke of her not as a child, my baby, my
Speaker 1: little baby. She spoke of her as exactly what you
Speaker 1: called her. Right. She was a commodity. She was the
Speaker 1: thing living vicariously, is what they.
Speaker 2: Say, right, Yes, yes, and that I mean, I just
Speaker 2: thought that was one of the most bizarre comments you
Speaker 2: could make in the days after a tragic death of
Speaker 2: your thirty six year old daughter.
Speaker 1: That headline I talked about in a variety was it variety? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How Hollywood failed Hayden panetier. As more things are coming out,
Speaker 1: I'm learning more. I'm like, you can add this person
Speaker 1: to the list. You can add this person to the
Speaker 1: list that failed this young lady.
Speaker 2: And yet it's so interesting to hear that kind of cold,
Speaker 2: industry sounding response from her own mother, I will say,
Speaker 2: and I think it's fair to point out it feels
Speaker 2: like every single person who worked with Hayden had nothing
Speaker 2: but beautiful things to say about her. And even even
Speaker 2: her ex fiance, who was raising her daughter, gave a
Speaker 2: beautiful tribute to her on Instagram, and I actually just
Speaker 2: wanted to read a little bit of it because this,
Speaker 2: to me, spoke of love. Even though they were no
Speaker 2: longer together, I still felt his love for her, he said.
Speaker 2: The announcement of Hayden's tragic death saddens me deeply. She
Speaker 2: left this world far too soon. Hayden was, although no
Speaker 2: longer my partner, an important part of my life and
Speaker 2: the mother of our daughter Kaya. She built an incredible
Speaker 2: career through immense talent while also facing the darker sides
Speaker 2: of a very demanding industry. Nothing will erase the times
Speaker 2: we shared or the place she had in our lives.
Speaker 2: To our daughter, Kaya, I will always speak of her
Speaker 2: mother with respect and make sure she remembers the person
Speaker 2: she was. I extend my deepest condolences to Hayden's parents,
Speaker 2: her friends, and her fans who are also grieving today.
Speaker 2: Young and talented people like Hayden should not leave this
Speaker 2: world so soon. Yes for privacy, and he thanked everyone
Speaker 2: who gave their condolences. But I thought that was a
Speaker 2: very beautiful tribute to someone who I'm sure had a
Speaker 2: contentious relationship with her.
Speaker 1: Okay, Roaps, we've talked about three people in her life,
Speaker 1: a mom, her boyfriend, and her ex fiance the ex
Speaker 1: fiance who lost her to this current boyfriend. Of those
Speaker 1: three people we talked about, the one you would think
Speaker 1: that would have less of a glowing, loving statement would
Speaker 1: be who X And that's a damn shame and tells
Speaker 1: you maybe how things were going. Roades would symbolize what
Speaker 1: was going on in her life that he is the
Speaker 1: one that's close to her that has to put out
Speaker 1: the loving statement, not Mama, and not the guy who
Speaker 1: found her, not the guy who was with her, because
Speaker 1: he was the guy who was beating her for two years.
Speaker 1: That's a tough, tough, tough stuff and a tough life.
Speaker 1: Look up at the screen and life, smile and she
Speaker 1: is awesome in the screen movies and all this. We
Speaker 1: just don't know what these people are going through. We
Speaker 1: don't pease Christ, we don't.
Speaker 2: And I think maybe the only silver lining is something
Speaker 2: that her mom did say, and a lot of people
Speaker 2: have referenced. She lost her younger brother tragically to an
Speaker 2: enlarged heart. He was twenty eight years old. This was
Speaker 2: just back in twenty twenty three, and he was her
Speaker 2: only sibling and by her account and all accounts, they
Speaker 2: were extremely close. And so her mom said, what gives
Speaker 2: her piece is knowing that they are together now, the
Speaker 2: two of them, And that is perhaps maybe the only
Speaker 2: way you can look at it, because there's nothing that
Speaker 2: gives anybody a lot of peace or comfort given what
Speaker 2: we're learning about Hayden's death and frankly for recent life,
Speaker 2: we wish.
Speaker 1: All the people who loved her and knew her the
Speaker 1: very best.
Speaker 2: But certainly everyone is grieving and a lot of people
Speaker 2: are waiting for more answers as to how and why
Speaker 2: she died and without everyone. We always appreciate you listening
Speaker 2: to us. I may need robot alongside t J.
Speaker 1: Holmes. We'll talk soon.