1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Tex Stile from how stuff Works dot com. Hello again everyone, 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: and welcomes to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Poulette, 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: and I am an editor here at how stuff Works 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: dot Com. Sitting next to me unlike usual, but we'll 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: get any more, and that later is senior writer Jonathan Strickland. 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: The sky is blue and all the leaves are green. 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: My heart's as full as a baked potato. Alright, Yeah, 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,959 Speaker 1: Today is a very special episode of tech Stuff, so 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: special that the only word to describe it is spado winkle. 12 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: So the reason that there is a a special is one, 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: for the first time ever, we are recording outside the 14 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: confines of our Comfy studio, so we're kind of excited 15 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: and frightened. The second is that we are at dragon Con, 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: which is a huge fantasy, science fiction, horror genre fan 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: in convention. And third and fourth we have two special 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: guests with us today. We have Tom Merritt and Veronica Belmont. 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Say Hi, Hi, Hello, you follow direction well? Veronica said, hello, 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: I just want to point out you said specifically to 21 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: say Hill right. Okay, sorry, Tom follows direction exceptionally. Well. 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: We have we have Tom and Veronica, who collectively our 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: Sword and Laser. I have never asked which is which, 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: but um, I know that seriously because Veronica does the 25 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: laser sound effect. Pew p. There we go. I was 26 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: hoping I could get it on here. I wasn't gonna 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: specifically ask. I thought if I was obleek enough, I 28 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: could get it. Um. The So you're here doing Sword 29 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: and Laser as well as some of your other projects. 30 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: Why don't you both introduce yourselves and kind of give 31 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: an overview of all the amazing stuff you guys do. 32 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: Me first, okay, Um, I'm Veronica and I currently co 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: host Texila on Revision three and also Core on the 34 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: PlayStation network and uh in our free time. We are 35 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to have Sword and Laser, which is the 36 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: reason we've come to dragon Con for the past two 37 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: years to do live show here and interview authors and 38 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: it's always been a blast. Yeah. My name is Tom right, 39 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: and now, of course I do Sortain Laser with Veronica, 40 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 1: which is a science fiction fantasy fook club. UH, and 41 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: I also do Tech News Today daily on the Twitter 42 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: network at two thirty Pacific, five thirty Eastern. I do 43 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: Current Geek Weekly with Scott Johnson. I do Forecast with 44 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: Scott Johnson. I do East Meats West, Where We Go 45 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: Chang got like six more with Brian Bridge? Should I 46 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: go on? Keep going? Keep going? Right with Brian brush 47 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: with the SNORB cartoons with Scott Johnson. I think that's it, 48 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: So he thinks all right, and uh so, yeah. We 49 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: we asked Tom and Veronica on the show because we 50 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: were all going to be in the same place at 51 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: the same time, which is unusual, but also because they 52 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: cover Technology Top five on Revision three and Tom will 53 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: just continuously interrupt me for the rest of the show, 54 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,839 Speaker 1: adding in the things that he's forgotten that he does. 55 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: Um No. We we asked them here because they're both 56 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: technology journalists and we wanted to kind of talk about 57 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: what it's like covering technology from a journalism standpoint. Chris 58 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: and I did a video show for a while where 59 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: we covered news, technology, news, and um and so we 60 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: really got kind of a crash course and what it's 61 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: like to cover tech, and that was really a small, 62 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: a tiny show compared to what you guys do, so 63 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: just kind of want to get your thoughts on what 64 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: it's like covering technology. Uh And and if you've had 65 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: experience covering other kinds of topics, what makes it sort 66 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: of unique in that? And from a journalism standpoint, Well, 67 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: it changes so fast. I mean there's new stuff all 68 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: the time, and it can be very difficult to stay 69 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: on top of everything that's happening and changing. And technology 70 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: covers so many different areas as well, whether it's gadgets 71 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: or computers or internet culture and uh, you know, new 72 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: media stuff. It's it's always changing and there's always some 73 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: thing that we have to learn and pay attention to. Yeah, 74 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: and the technology crowd is the smartest crowd of media 75 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: consumers technology and science. You know, folks, they know what 76 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: they're talking about in their field, and you, as a 77 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: reporter often have to know everything about every field. Uh. 78 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: So you're going to get corrected a lot a lot 79 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: because you can't know everything about every topic. But hopefully 80 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: you can know enough to to be able to pass 81 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,239 Speaker 1: along just the good information, kind of sift good from bad. 82 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: Uh And And one thing that Veronica and I both 83 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: got really good on when we did Buzz Out Loud 84 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: at seen It back in the day is using the 85 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: audience to your advantage. Uh, And I know, John, that's 86 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: actually how I got to know you. Was relying on 87 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: you to kind of contribute some facts and stuff that 88 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: you knew from your research and how stuff works. That 89 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: helped us to pass along emails and voicemails to people 90 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: to kind of further explain stuff that maybe we weren't 91 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: able to fully explain in our coverage of it. I 92 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: actually really missed doing a daily show like tom DA's 93 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: Now and like we used to do it buzz out 94 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: loud because it keeps you really sharp, like when you're 95 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: reading stuff every day and you have to be able 96 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: to follow stories throughout the week. You, um, you definitely 97 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: absorb it a lot better than with me and Patrick 98 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: on Texila. UM. We do a lot of computer health 99 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: problems and gadget questions, and we do news at the 100 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: top of the show, but it's not our main focus. 101 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: So I found myself, you know, getting out of the 102 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: loop a little bit on a lot of the big 103 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: stuff that's going on. And I think I need to 104 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: start listening to tech news today regularly, more regularly, more regularly, 105 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: more like five days a week instead of the four 106 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: I already do. Yeah, Veronica, you just you need to 107 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: listen harder. I know, you have a better job and 108 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 1: pressing stop five minutes, then emailing and then listening another 109 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: five minutes like that. I know. Um. Actually that that 110 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: bringing the whole audience factor into it. That's one of 111 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: the things I found very interesting getting into knowledgy blogging 112 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: and UH and technology podcasting as well as doing the 113 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: video show. UM. You know, as a writer, occasionally we 114 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: would get readers writing in to to comment on on 115 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: the articles we were writing, but that that interaction rapped 116 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: up significantly once we went to blogging and podcasting, and 117 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: so it is interesting. Why don't you talk a little 118 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: bit about what it's like, UH interacting with your audience 119 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: and how I mean to me, that seems like it's 120 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: a really unique thing that podcasters in general and tech 121 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: podcasters specifically get to do that other journalists don't. Necessarily 122 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: they don't experience that well. I think Tom already covered 123 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: it really well and saying that the audience is way 124 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: smarter than we are, and so they're always giving such 125 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: great feedback and such additional information to whatever we're talking about. 126 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: Their indispensable in that way, and correcting us and and 127 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: updating us on stuff that's going on that we may 128 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: have missed. It's it's incredible well and one of the 129 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: things you have to do. And and maybe tech podcasters 130 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: and and bloggers are better at it because they're just 131 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: into technology and they like to to play around with stuff, 132 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: but anybody in any topic can do that, which is 133 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: open up the channels, read some emails on your podcast, 134 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: or respond to someone your bog or uh, you know, 135 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: play some voicemails. So open up a voicemail line or 136 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: just ask for people to record MP three and send 137 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: them as attachments. Once you start including the audience in 138 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: whatever you're doing, more audience members will catch on to 139 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: that and say, oh, I want to contribute to and 140 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: you'll you'll get people who don't, in fact, the vast 141 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: majority don't, but you'll start to develop a crowd that 142 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: you can rely on, and you can separate the trolls 143 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: from the from the people who actually contribute. And then 144 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: now you have a stable of not only experts that 145 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: you can you can use to make your content better, 146 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: but also folks who are going to spread the word 147 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: about your show and say like, hey, I really like 148 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: this because I'm invested in it. That's a great point. Um, 149 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: is there anything about technology in general that that you 150 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: are particularly passionate about? I mean, besides, because as you 151 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: were pointing out Monica, Uh, technology is a huge, huge topic, 152 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of sub topics uh in general. 153 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: For instance, from my own perspective, Uh, the stuff I'm 154 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: really interested in is is despite the fact that I 155 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: work for How Stuff Works and I love writing how 156 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: stuff works articles on how tech works, my real interest 157 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: is kind of on the social impact of technology. But 158 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: I'm just curious if there's something similar or something specific 159 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: that you're really passionate about as far as technology is concerned. 160 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: I like memoristers, memoristers for Mr Merritt. It's it's it's 161 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: a constant battle, both with Molly Wood at Buzz out 162 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: Loud and now with Becky Is, who've tried to stop 163 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: me from including these stories that might bore everyone else. 164 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: We've had requests to do that topic on our show 165 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: and we have not done that yet. It's kind of 166 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: daunting um at quantum computing. Anytime there's a quantum story, 167 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: I get I get sucked in all kinds of astronomy stuff, 168 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: anything with planets, planet finding. I like that, I mean 169 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: I am. I'm passionate about all technology and how it 170 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: works and how people use it and what they use 171 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: it for on the less technological side, but more the 172 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: the use of it, the social use side. Anything about 173 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: copyright technology, copyright law, and what you can do in 174 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: this medium just fascinates me because it all seemed very 175 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: clear until the Internet came along and made it really 176 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: easy to copy everything, uh infinitely, and now we're dealing 177 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: with a whole new set of rules about how anything, 178 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: how this, how this stuff works, right, I mean, there's 179 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: there's just a it's a whole different universe. So you 180 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: have this battle of people who are like, no, physical 181 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: CDs can't be copied and given away, you know, because 182 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: that undermines our business. They didn't actually make that that 183 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: distinction as much when you had to actually physically copy 184 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: a CD by going and buying a really expensive burner 185 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: or paying someone to do it, because people wouldn't really 186 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: do it, so if you gave it away, you kind 187 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: of turn a blind eye. Now that it's infinitely copyable, 188 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: everyone's paying attention and it's unstaff poppable, so it's almost 189 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, the horses and the cows and all the 190 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: chickens and everything I've left the barn. In fact, the 191 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 1: barn burned down and now there's no barn to go 192 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: back to. Mr Barrett, I would like to point out 193 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: that as a Southern boy who grew up on a farm, 194 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: you do not keep the chickens in the barn. But 195 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: that's exactly right, John, What were the chickens doing in 196 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: the barn? I think if we can place, can someone 197 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: answer the chicken and the boy right? Industry needs to 198 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: address that. I'm sure we'll have a listener right in 199 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: and explain to us exactly what those chickens were doing 200 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: in the barn. I'm still grappling with which came first, 201 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: the chicken or the eggs. They figured that out, you guys, 202 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: you work, you should know that. Well, that's science stuff, 203 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: the chicken, anything that we we we have the habit 204 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: of foisting anything that has to do with biology or 205 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: physics over to science. Do you have to go to 206 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: the Foul Stuff podcast? Yes? My answer is a little 207 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: less fancy. Um. I'm really into video games sweet so 208 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: anything video game related I'm instantly drawn to. But also 209 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: on the more esoteric side of that whole culture, which 210 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: is video games, as our video games and how they 211 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: affect society. That's something that I'm really drawn to, How 212 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: how how our society is really changing because of video games, 213 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: and how it's not just the realm of the geeky anymore. 214 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: I mean everyone plays now, from you know, small kids 215 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: to grandparents and you know, middle aged housewives you know 216 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: are playing World of Warcraft and it's totally normal. Alright, 217 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: Desert Island computer or game system? One game? What is it? Well, 218 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: it could it be my gaming PC. It has to 219 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: be one game, one game. Um oh wow, it would 220 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: be World of Warcraft. I'm guessing Mr Merritt would have 221 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: the same answer. Civilization is that because you would miss 222 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: civilization so much and it does violence, that you would 223 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: feel the need to build up some kind of civilizations 224 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: a month. There's no infinite supply of coconuts to sell 225 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: to support very expensive maybe, well, where does the connection 226 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: come from? Exactly? That's text? Oh shoot, all right, just 227 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: a silly question. Since I knew that Veronica was also 228 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: into video games. We actually did two episodes not that 229 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: long ago, in fact, that they published the week coming 230 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: into Dragon Con. Uh, this will publish significantly after Dragon Con, 231 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: but we did two episodes about the rise and fall 232 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: of the Arcade, video game Arcade, and of course the 233 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: video game Crash of three because I was one of 234 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: those fortunate young men to own an Atari twenty and 235 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: a copy of ET. Yeah, so that was that. Um anyway, Yeah, 236 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: so that happened. The next question I had was, I 237 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: don't know if if Veronica, if you've ever had to 238 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: do this. I know that Tom's had to do it, 239 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: and I've done it as well, Chris as as well. 240 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: I don't know whether where this is going, but it's 241 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: a it's a the the insumus a mail thing because okay, 242 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: it's the it's the experience. Well, there's the first bleep 243 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: for the podcast. I think we can leave that in. 244 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: It was probably the no. The question is technology predictions. Yeah, 245 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: we talked about how technology moves very quickly. Um. A 246 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: lot of us have done technology prediction shows, usually at 247 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: the end of the year, to predict what's going to 248 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: come out the next year. Of Veronica, I don't have 249 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: you have you ever done those? I have? Yeah, we 250 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: used to do them on on BOL all the time 251 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: every year for New Year's So Martel's also done forecast 252 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: with Tom also which is his predictions podcast. So with Johnson, 253 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: the question is are there any predictions you made that 254 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: you feel we're essentially spot on? And were there any 255 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: you made that we're about as big a miss as 256 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: you possibly could get? Cheese? Um? Oh, looking back, it's 257 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: gonna be hard to remember, Tom, do you remember anything 258 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: I got right? I know there was one. I feel 259 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: like there was a good one. Let's remember. It's hard 260 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: to remember the prediction because if you're because if you're right, 261 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: then you just feel vindicated for a while and then 262 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: you kind of forget, and if you're wrong, then you 263 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: instantly forget it because you don't want to be like 264 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: That's why a lot of people hate doing prediction shows, 265 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: because you're on record saying something like especially way or 266 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: the other, especially if you do the following year. Yeah, 267 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: we always do Yeah, so that you can kind of 268 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: tally up how you did. I'll give you an example 269 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: of the biggest one I've gotten wrong this year, which 270 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: was that Apple will come out with a tablet, but 271 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: it's it's not gonna go anywhere. As my editor next 272 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: to me holds up his iPad, I got really close 273 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: on the tablet. I said it was going to be 274 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: eight ninety nine, which was the top out price, right uh. 275 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: And I said it was going to come in the summer, 276 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: and came in the spring, but I got close. I 277 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: also said goodbye Palm bought or fold and they got bought. 278 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: And then two years ago I said Android will out 279 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: sell the iPhone. So it's just a couple of years earlier. 280 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: Every year I say something that like our f I 281 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: DA is going to become like the default, like de 282 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: fact a way to pay for things and turn on 283 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: your lights in your house, like with the r f 284 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: I D chip and planted in your arm. That never happens. 285 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: Just I'm just not ready. Yeah, I go to Japan 286 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: a lot for work, and I'm so frustrated by how 287 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: they've got everything down. You just have one card for everything. 288 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: You pay for everything with this one card. You can 289 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: get on the subway with it, you can buy a 290 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: bag of chips with it. And they're starting to get 291 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: that a little bit here, but or with your cell 292 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: phone even but people are scared of it for some reason, 293 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: and they're really terrified of losing their information and having 294 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: their information being floating around, even though it's so close, 295 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: like you have to be pretty close in order for 296 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: the r F i D to work. They there's that 297 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: fear that people have about this kind of technology that's 298 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: really preventing a lot of it from improving our lives 299 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: in a big way. And I feel like people have 300 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: to kind of get over that hurdle of fear in 301 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: order for their lives to really improve. And we've seen 302 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: that with a lot of technology over the years. And 303 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: then you know, people, once they get over that hump, 304 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: they forget about it. They don't worry about it anymore. 305 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: It's just that initial like, oh, I don't know about that. 306 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't think I want that in my house. I'll 307 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: let some strange waiter to take my credit card, but 308 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: I don't want an r F i D on the 309 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: internet like constantly have to, you know, think about it. 310 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it's just that it's 311 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: really the it's really the fact that they don't know 312 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: how how much their information is already out there just 313 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: using traditional payment methods and other ways of communicating. Um, yeah, 314 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: it's I've noticed the same sort of thing. We did 315 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: do an episode about that once several probably more than 316 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: a year ago now, where we talked about the same 317 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: sort of thing. And yeah, years past and we haven't 318 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: seen a huge leap forward since then. So clearly my 319 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: impact as podcast are just I've been waiting to get 320 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: chipped for a really long time. I'm totally I can. 321 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: I can. I can have taught to you over in England. 322 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: I've been talking about it for University of Southampton. Our 323 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: vet does it. I don't know if they would be 324 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: able to help get lost very easily. Does anyone know 325 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: to whom this podcaster belongs? Oh? By the way, I 326 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: didn't mention the one that I got the wrongest of 327 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: all of my predictions, which was the Capple will never 328 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: come out with a phone most wrong. Ever, that's awesome. 329 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: I like it that I'm not the only one who's wrong. Um. 330 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: And and here's this is kind of wrapping up the 331 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: tech journalism thing, and it's it's kind of similar in 332 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: a way to the last question. Um, can you think 333 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: of any story in tech anything that you've covered that 334 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: you that just really surprised you? I mean some stuff 335 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: that you know a lot of the stories that we 336 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: cover tend to be uh confirmation of something that we 337 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: had heard about sometimes a year ahead of time, so 338 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: it ends up just being oh, well, we finally got 339 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: confirmation on this thing we heard about a year ago. 340 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: But can you think of anything that just sort of 341 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: came out of nowhere and really surprised you, positive or negative. 342 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: The first thing that comes to mind is the bird 343 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: dropping the bread in the large hatch collider. That really 344 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: surprised me. Yeah, the Slingbox was was one that kind 345 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: of took me by surprise. It's very rare at the 346 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: Consumer Electronics Show, which happens in Vegas every year in January, 347 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: that you see something you didn't already know was coming. 348 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: Every year, it's just kind of an iteration previously. So 349 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: last year the big thing was three D TVs, but 350 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: it wasn't the first time we've seen them, and it 351 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: certainly was the first time we've seen TVs, and we've 352 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: been kind of expecting three D. But when Slingbox came out, 353 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: which was two thousand five cees, it was something that 354 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: nobody expected. It was this little company over in the 355 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: Innovations Platform. They were overwhelmed with folks going, Wow, this 356 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: is amazing. Did broadcast your your television over the internet? 357 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: Is that legal? How do you? How do you get 358 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: away with this and it's just this little box, which 359 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: is kind of ugly but amazing because there's no moving 360 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: parts and it's fairly cheap. It was then actually that 361 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: that first model, if you remember, was really gray and boxing. 362 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: You know, they've they've improved it since, but the box 363 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: is a different set top box that game, that's right, 364 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, that was the That's one of the 365 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: ones that I could think of that was certainly nothing 366 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: anyone was prepared to expect, and and and was popular 367 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: and students still is. Yeah. I like I like seeing 368 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: the things that get the big buzz at cs that 369 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: tend to and they tend to fall outside the major 370 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: categories of electronics, because I mean that if you see 371 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: something that's in a major category, you're just oh, this 372 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: is another version of such and such. So I remember 373 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: things like the LG watch phone that wasn't it. Yeah, 374 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: but let people take off the demonstrator's arm, right, there's 375 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: something going on there. For me, it was wireless charging 376 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: like with power Matt. It's such a promising vertical, but 377 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: yet it just doesn't seem to go anywhere. Yeah, I 378 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: think what they need to do is just shoot some 379 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: video of my desk and get a shot of all 380 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: the different wires that I have and then say this 381 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: is why you need this. That g It's two eyes 382 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: how they spell it. Charging system was just announced at 383 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: IFA ember Lynn and they've got Energizer on board, and 384 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: I feel like that that could launch it more into 385 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: the mainstream. You know, it's funny because speaking as a 386 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 1: former Dish Network employee, I had to point that out 387 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: since they inquired Sling. It's, you know, Sling as one 388 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: of those things that I just kept expecting to explode. 389 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: And it's that in TiVo, the TiVo brand itself, and 390 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: it just surprises me. It's like people understand what they are, 391 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: but they don't know the names. They don't even know TiVo. Really, 392 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. I think TiVo has become 393 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: kind of the the standard. I think people everyone knows 394 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: what a TiVo is and how it works. I think 395 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: everyone who doesn't have it knows that. You know, people 396 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: who have one don't have to watch the commercials and 397 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: they can record things when they want to. I think 398 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,959 Speaker 1: that's become pretty That brand has definitely spread to the masses. Um. 399 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I'm biased because I do work in technology. 400 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 1: So everyone I know knows what it is. But my 401 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: parents know what it is, or they at least know 402 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: how a DVR works, and they've heard of a ti 403 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: Vo because now that Comcast has their own DVR box, 404 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: you know, people get those automatically now and they kind 405 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 1: of figure it out and they know that ti Vo 406 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: is in that in that realm um. But sling box 407 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: is definitely kind of surprising to me. I think a 408 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: lot of what's prevented it wouldn't it be like the 409 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: sports situations how they've been getting blackouts. They've they've never 410 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: actually been stopped, they've never been some people threatened and 411 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: saber rattled. But I think the thing with sling is 412 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: they're getting acquired by Dish. Slowed them down for a 413 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: while because they had anytime the company gets acquired, it's 414 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: going to go through a lot of bureaucracy and integration 415 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: and people leave and take knowledge with them and all 416 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: of that um and then Dish wants to integrate it 417 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: into their machines, not integrated into other machines. So you're 418 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: not seeing it being put in, uh to a lot 419 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: of different devices. So yeah, you don't. You don't see 420 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: sling as a household verb the way you hear I'm 421 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: going to TiVo that, whether you're using a TiVo DV 422 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: are not, I don't know if you ever will. I 423 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: don't know if if if that can bust out of it, 424 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: because it may be possible that by the time it 425 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: would get to that TiVo level of growth, will just 426 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: be able to stream everything off the internet. Anyway. Well, 427 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: I think um. One of the things too, is that 428 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: you know for sling, you know, they are ingrained now 429 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: in the dish DVRs, but the TiVo brand as a 430 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: DVR is in the minority. Comparatively, It's in fewer homes 431 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: than everybody else, So it seems like everyone else has 432 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: taken the concept and has taken off, yet TiVo is 433 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: struggling year after year to to do it. Although you're 434 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: right it is that you know the name brand to 435 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: consider the xerox when it's usually a good thing. I 436 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: should point out that I actually do hear sling used 437 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: as a verb, but not in that context, but my 438 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: wife uses it quite a few times, like I'm going 439 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: to sling this dog at you. That actually is said, 440 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: what more often than I prefer to no no Jack 441 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: resal terrier. Um, So we're gonna kind of transition now 442 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: over to the the whole technology uh sci fi fantasy 443 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: genre fan then diagram, which is almost a circle. Um. 444 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: So you guys are here in part to to talk 445 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: to do an episode of Sword and Laser. So you're 446 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: both a big fans of the science fiction and fantasy genres. Um, 447 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask a really silly question, why do you 448 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: think there is that big crossover between people who are 449 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: really enthusiastic about technology and people who are really big 450 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: fans of science fiction and fantasy. Now, granted it's not 451 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: like a one to one thing, but it does seem 452 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: to be the general rule. I think science fiction definitely 453 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: makes sense. I mean just because it's it's future thought. 454 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: It's thinking about science what's possible in the future, Like 455 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: where is our world going? Well, how is the technology 456 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: we used today going to evolve? You know, five hundred 457 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: a thousand, two thousand and years from now? Where where 458 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: is our world going to be? And I think that 459 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 1: draws a lot of people in and and get some 460 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: excited about the tech that's out today too, because they're like, oh, 461 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: that's almost just like the thing I read in that book. 462 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: Ten years ago. It's so cool, it's really happening fantasy. 463 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why would like that. Yeah, 464 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: I still don't know why they grouped them together. In 465 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: some bookstores. A lot of them have finally stopped that, 466 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: where you've got the fantasy section in the science fiction section. 467 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: But I remember growing up they were always grouped together 468 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: because they were so small there. I mean, there was 469 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: a time when they were very, very niche, and that's 470 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: definitely changing over the years. It's becoming a lot more acceptable. 471 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you see things like Firefly and Battlestore Galactica 472 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: and and big sci fi or fantasy shows really exploding 473 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: on TV. Particularly excited about the Game of Thrones, the 474 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: Song of Fire and Ice series coming to HBO, and 475 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: hopefully that will take off in the same way that 476 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: a lot of the other HBO shows have taken off 477 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: in the past. And but I'm not sure why why 478 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: they do get lumped together. It is kind of an 479 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: interesting question. Having been a bookstore employee, I think I 480 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: have a little insight in the classification because it's imaginative fiction. 481 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: You have your romance section, which is not based on reality, 482 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: but it's usually based in some sort of similar to 483 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: reality situation, horror same way, mysteries same way. Historical FICI 484 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: and obviously based on history, but science fiction and fantasy 485 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: and even thinks they get put in there that aren't either, 486 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: Like Philip K. Dick's The Man in the High Castle 487 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: is not science fiction or fantasy, it's alternate history. Uh, 488 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: They're all imaginative fiction. It's like, we're not in our 489 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: world anymore. We're either in the future or we're in 490 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: some alternate world or some totally different reality where you 491 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: know dragon. Maybe maybe it's an escapism thing. Yeah, yeah, 492 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: I think so. Um, and people who like technology, like 493 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: to think creatively, like like to imagine, they you know, 494 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: people who are into that have that creative aspect to them. Uh. 495 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: And and I don't know why the escapism crosses over necessarily, 496 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: but maybe it's just it's part of that creativity as well. Yeah. 497 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like it's arbitrary because people like 498 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: Neil Stevenson I see in the irregular fiction not in 499 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: a genre fiction category, and I'm thinking, are you know 500 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: reading through? And I'm thinking, what are you kidding? There's 501 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: plenty of science fiction in here. There's plenty of fantasy 502 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: in here, just reading anathem right now, and I'm thinking, 503 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: you know, this is kind of strange that you would 504 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: include this and not include some of the other things 505 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: that I've seen, you know, in the fantasy and science 506 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: fiction category. So it just, you know, I think it 507 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: sort of depends on who's organizing it and how Kurt 508 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: Vonnegut go in sci fi fantasy by all rights, but 509 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: he's a real author, he's a he's a he's classic, 510 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: he's literature, And there's a little bit of prejudice there 511 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: that sci fi and fantasy, you know, is frivolous, even 512 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: though there's great works of literature in sci fi and fantasy, 513 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: they have to sort of elevate it out of that, 514 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: like Thomas Pinchin for instance. Yeah, I do find that 515 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: I've seen that happen too. I remember taking creative writing 516 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: course and my teacher, my father is a science fiction author, 517 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: but he also teaches at a college, and uh so 518 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: this teacher was a colleague of my father's. Um I 519 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: never took one of my father's classes, but this the teacher, 520 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: knowing my father, who writes science fiction, came to me 521 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: and in this creative writing class, and now Jonathan, I 522 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: want to make sure that when you have a writing assignment, 523 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: you write a real story. And I won't repeat what 524 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: I thought. I think you should know. I can't. I 525 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: don't want to make Tyler have to bleep something out later. 526 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: But it was yeah, I I I thought that's really 527 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: unusual because you think of some of the great writers, 528 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: especially some who were like like orwell, if you think 529 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: of I mean now, granted, yeah, you can draw so 530 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: many parallels to things that have actually happened to stuff 531 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: that was in that book, and or you know, Brave 532 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: New World World, yeah, or Our Fair Knight for one. 533 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm naming all the dystopian novels called Orange and Maids Tale, um. 534 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, these are all these are all books that 535 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: you can't you could never argue are not literature. I 536 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: mean they're they're they've definitely shaped thought and opinion, and 537 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,640 Speaker 1: they've moved people in ways that that any book that 538 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: is specifically designated literature has done before. So well, yeah, 539 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: especially when you're reading something like I I just finished 540 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: Rics and Creek for example, market at Wood, and it's 541 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: it's great because you it actually makes you think, like 542 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: where is our society going? Like what are we doing wrong? 543 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: What's what are the potential disasters that could have occur, 544 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: you know, based on our use of technology and our 545 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: use of um, you know, medicine and changing the world 546 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: and in very you know, specific ways, and it makes 547 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: you think, It makes you wonder, like like, how we 548 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: could you know, potentially affect things going forward. There's a 549 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: little bit of an overlap whether you're playing a video game, 550 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: whether you're hacking some code, whether you're troubleshooting your your computer, 551 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: of where is this owing? Like you were saying, how 552 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: do I how do I make it to the castle 553 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: and save the princess? How do I? How do I 554 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: track down that that short that's making this happen? How 555 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: do I get around this firewall? And when you're reading 556 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: science fiction and fantasy, you're engaging that same part of 557 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: your brain, like how do I work around this thing 558 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: that is different from reality? And you make the same 559 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: argument for mystery novels as well, but it's more challenging 560 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: and more outside of the box. Yeah, more outside of 561 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: your normal experience in a science fiction or fantasy novel. 562 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: So maybe that's sort of why there's that overlap. I 563 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: hate it when people ask me like why don't you 564 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: read a real fiction book, you know, can you just 565 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: not read like a sci fire fantasy book for once, 566 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: like George orwell oh wait, like yeah right, yeah, yeah. 567 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: It definitely hits close to home for me. But that's 568 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: probably because, you know, since my dad's still still writing 569 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: science fiction, although now he's right to get under different pseudonyms, 570 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: which is interesting. Yeah, I'll just say that if you 571 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: if you happen across a young adult no vole for 572 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: he wrote Twilight, didn't he wanted? I want? I wanted 573 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: to explain the body glitter. Okay, we're just gonna drop 574 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: that UM Club show dot com, So so really quickly, 575 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: can you name some of your your favorite authors or 576 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: favorite novels that that you think are something that you 577 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: would go to again and again, or even if you 578 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: would never read it again, something that you thought was 579 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: particularly well written that you think every fan should should 580 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: read at some point. Um, this is a little maybe 581 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: a little outside genre, I'm not sure, but um, Watership 582 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: Down is probably one of the first books that really 583 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: drew me into the world of you know, it's fantasy 584 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: in a way, just because it's you know, that really 585 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: changed that book really changed my life and and probably 586 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: also anything by Tad Williams. I read the Dragon Bone 587 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: Chair trilogy was the first real fantasy series I ever read, 588 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: and I was hooked after that. I was like, wow, 589 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: this is a big book and there's three of them, 590 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: and I just read this for the entire summer and 591 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: it was fantastic, excellent. Yeah. Uh yeah. The Bedrock novels 592 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: uh form for me, and probably most people have read 593 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: these if they're self respecting geeks or nerds. But Hitchhiker's 594 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: Guide to the Galaxy. I actually remember where I was 595 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: when I bought it for the first time and and 596 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: reading it as I was reading it as we were 597 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: taking my sister up to college in the car. It 598 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: was the book I had bought for the long car ride. Uh, 599 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: And I just read it over and over and over again. 600 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: After that was a long car ride, that long of 601 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: a book I read. Um. Yeah, and then uh, the 602 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings trilogy. Definitely, what were you laughing about? 603 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: Look at you? Yeah, I just revealed some thing that 604 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going to explain to the fans. But if 605 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: you throw his shoulder fire, you can read it a 606 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: picture of Gollum on his arm. It's amazing. Actually, no, 607 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: it's true story, true story my my parents when they 608 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: were cleaning out my room and long after I had left, 609 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: had come across a drawing I made at age four 610 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: because it said so on the drawing of Gollum and 611 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: the Ring age four. Cute. Yeah, you were doing from 612 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: the start. I was doing start And then I keep 613 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: reading Dune, the Dune series, again and again and again, 614 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: so I don't know I'll stop. Oh yeah, I mean 615 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: some of my favor authors. I'm still a big Tad 616 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: Williams fan. I read pretty much everything he comes out with. 617 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: I love Robin Hobb and her like the Farst Year 618 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: trilogy and The Assassin's Apprentice. Um, let's see who else, 619 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: there's so many. I'm really into Patrick Rothfus right now. 620 00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: And the Name of the Wind is one of my 621 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: written new books that's come out from an author in 622 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: a long time. It was his first full novel and 623 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: it's just incredible. And the second book is coming out 624 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: next year. And there's just so many good authors out 625 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: right now, Like you know, it's it's hard to pick 626 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: and it's hard to read everything, and and I'm on 627 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: good Reads and I just keep adding books to my 628 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: to read list and just kind of never ends. I'd 629 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: be remiss if I didn't mention that I love every mad, crazy, 630 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: insane word of Philip K. Dick that he ever wrote down. 631 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 1: We can kind of see how Tom and I are are. 632 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm definitely more on the stored side of things, like 633 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,719 Speaker 1: fantasy is definitely my what's really closest to my heart. 634 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: But that's what's great about doing the show with Ernic 635 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: because I get exposed to these books that I would 636 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: never have bothered to pick up before, like George rr. 637 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: Martin My life less rich if she had not made 638 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: me read that, and I just tore through everything he 639 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: wrote and wouldn't mind if he put out the next book. Yes, 640 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: please put out the next book, George. Although he's not 641 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: my please put out You're not r B boy. If 642 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: I could tell you all the listener mail we get 643 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: from George rr Martin, Can I ask a quick yes, 644 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: how is the audience different for Sword and Laser versus 645 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: the tech journalism that you've done, Because I would imagine 646 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: that the audience would be completely different in the way 647 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: they react to you and interact with you. Um, not 648 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: not so much. We do actually have a lot of 649 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: overlap between listeners of viewers of Texila and people who 650 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: watched Sword and Laser, but through good Reads we also 651 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: get a lot of really hardcore sci fi fantasy fans 652 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: and just coming to conventions like this where we meet 653 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: people for the first time and tell them about the show. 654 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: In the book club, um, you know, they get brought 655 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: in they don't know or other works sometimes and they're 656 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: very very passionate about the authors that they follow, and 657 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: you can kind of feel that when they're talking about 658 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: them in the forums and you're like, Wow, you guys 659 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: know stuff about this that you're You're finding things in 660 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: these books that we're reading that I would have never noticed, 661 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: and it just makes the reading experience so much more 662 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: rich to have that input from everyone. I think what's 663 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: interesting about Sort and Laser two is that there is 664 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 1: a lot more talking to each other in the audience 665 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: than there is in a lot of our other shows 666 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: that are a lot of the other shows that I do, 667 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: where it's the audience will talk to each other, but 668 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: they will also talk mostly to the show, not necessarily 669 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: to me, but you know, to what's been said on 670 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 1: the show. We're almost peripheral. Yeah, with sworton Laser. The 671 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: podcast is just one voice amongst the huge discussion going on. Interesting. Thanks, 672 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: that's great. Um, well, we're over time, so we're going 673 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: to wrap this up. I want to thank both Tom 674 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: and Veronica for joining us. That was wonderful, especially considering 675 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: that you're both on West Coast time and we're recording 676 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: this at nine in the morning, so it feels like 677 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: six am and we have coffee. Thank you very much. 678 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: Thank you for the coffee. So thank you for joining us. 679 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: Why don't you close out by telling us where where 680 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: people can find you if they are not aware of 681 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: the stuff you're doing already. Okay, my blog is at 682 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: Veronica Balmont dot com. You can follow me on Twitter 683 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,320 Speaker 1: at Veronica and um texta law on Revision three Texila 684 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: dot com, Core on the PlayStation Network, and Sword and 685 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: Laser is at Sword and Laser dot com and all 686 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: my stuff is at tom Merritt dot com. To our 687 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: two teeth excellent. Well, thanks again, guys, and thank you 688 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,759 Speaker 1: to all your listeners out there, and we will talk 689 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: to you again really soon. 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