1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to move the sticks? DJ here? 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: Bucky is uh, he's on the road another All Star game. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: He's at the h b C U Classics, so he's 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: gonna be involved with that broadcast there, which will be 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: on NFL Networks. So hopefully guys will look out for 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: that one. But got we've gotten a Bill here and Bill, 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: how you doing? Man? I'm doing good, you know, excited 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: that everything's uh, you know, getting amped up for us. 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: So the combine the pro days, the draft, so it's 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: a hard time to shine. Yeah, it's the best producer 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: in the business, by the way. And to Bill if 13 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: you don't get to hear him talk very much, but 14 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: we we do talk about him because of really is 15 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: Packer fandom? By the way, are you confident? You confident? Uh? 16 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Rogers coming back? Yeah, I've been confident even last year 17 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: when all the rumors are going on. I think that 18 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: Rogers will be back for sure with Devonte Adams franchise tag, 19 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: so let's go. Yeah, I think I'm with you. I 20 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: think that you will see something get done there and 21 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, we'll be back. We've got a fun show 22 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: for today that We've got Scott Peel, who was a 23 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: three time Super Bowl champion. He's been a general manager 24 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: a couple of different spots. He's really one of the 25 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: bright minds in the NFL and somebody that always enjoy 26 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: catching up with. He's a colleague for us now at 27 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 1: NFL Network and get a chance to visit with him 28 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: about what we can learn from from the rams if anything, 29 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: gonna hear some great stories from his time with the 30 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: Patriots and uh and issue a warning two g MS 31 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: as we head towards free agency, beware of the blank. Uh. 32 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: He's gonna fill in that for us. So a great 33 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: conversation here with Scott Peel. I hope you guys enjoy 34 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: it alright. Excited to have my good buddy Scott Pioli 35 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: joining me right now. Scott is a partner former or 36 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: former NFL GM current analysts with us here at NFL Network. Scott, 37 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: how you doing man, I'm doing great. I'm doing great. 38 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: So we're onto the new season. I know, by the way, 39 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: what was that, what was that moment? Like? Especially with 40 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl teams, you know, how how much time 41 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: did you give yourself to enjoy that versus, oh my gosh, 42 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: the combines in a couple of weeks, you know, DJ, 43 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: it's crazy. So I'll never forget the first Super Bowl, 44 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: super Bowl thirty six. We win, and it's so the 45 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: two thousand one season, but it happens in in February three, 46 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: two thousand two. Um. I can't remember birthdays, but I 47 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: remember the first Super so um, you know. We we 48 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: get on the plane and I'm I'm a mess, you know, 49 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: because I know you know that, you know the drill. 50 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: We had already had the December draft meetings, we had 51 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: already had the post December draft meetings, and we're gonna 52 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: we always had draft meetings in February, right before we 53 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: went to the combine and free agencies coming. So the 54 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: free agent board is set and I look at Bill 55 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: and I say, can we get together, you know, on 56 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: the plane. And as soon as the plane takes off, 57 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: we get together and we went right to work. We 58 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: had to talk about when the meetings were right because 59 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: he's going to give the coaches at off. We're right 60 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: to the calendar. Head coach is gonna have this week off, alright, Bill, 61 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: we have to have this meeting because again DJ, none 62 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: of the coaches have looked at any of the college 63 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: players now, they haven't looked at the free agent players 64 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: unless maybe we played against him during the year. The 65 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: head coach hasn't looked at anything. Bill wasn't in the 66 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: December meetings. He wasn't in the other meetings. Every once 67 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: in a while he'd come up and want to see 68 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: some of the names and stuff, but he hadn't watched tape. 69 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's now the first week in February, 70 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: and no one knows what's what's going on. So you've 71 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: got to have this plan, and along with the plan, 72 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: it's got to be an accelerated plan because free agency 73 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: is getting ready to start. And I remember this to 74 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: DJ was two thousand two, if you remember, that was 75 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: the year that Houston Texans came in the league. So 76 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: we also had to talk expansion. Five guys that we 77 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: were exposed for the expansion draft. So we're sitting there 78 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: and here it wasn't even twelve hours since we'd won 79 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and we're already getting ready to potentially 80 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: say goodbye to guys because we're gonna have to expose them. 81 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: And you know, when you expose players to the expansion draft, UM, 82 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: they feel very unwanted. It's a really awkward kind of situation. 83 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we haven't had one in twenty years, so 84 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people are like, expansion draft, What 85 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: the heck is that? But yeah it DJ, it's right 86 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: to work because you've got two and a half months 87 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: before the draft and it's go time. I want to 88 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: I want to stay on the Patriots here for a 89 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: minute before we get to the super Bowl. What we 90 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: saw there and what maybe we can learn from the 91 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: from the Rams and how they accomplished a championship this year, 92 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: but the Patriots UM this last year? Man, it was 93 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: it was an aggressive free agent push with the Patriots 94 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: something you haven't seen very much of. Is that a 95 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: product of just the rookie quarterback contract? Or was this? 96 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: You know? And your I won't, I won't lead the witness. 97 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: You tell me about why you thought we saw such 98 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: an aggressive Here's what's really fascinating, DJ. And And because 99 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: I've listened to that narrative quite a bit, and you know, 100 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: it's funny. Because the Patriots had this long period of success, 101 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 1: people forget what the beginning was like and What people 102 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: don't remember was into thousand one, the off season of 103 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: two thousand one, we signed twenty three free agent players. 104 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: By the time the season ended, nineteen of those players 105 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: were still with us. What was different with the Patriots 106 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: did differently this past year was the amount of money 107 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: that they spent, and it was how they did free agency. 108 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: They went out and got expensive type of free you know, 109 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: expensive free agents. But what we did again, it wasn't 110 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: again when I hear revisions history of how we built 111 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: that team. We had some core players. Yes, we had 112 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: Tye law we had Lawyer Malloy, we had William McGinnis. 113 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: You know, we married into a couple of players. But 114 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: what people forget again you go back to two thousand 115 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: and one that off season, twenty three free agents, I 116 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: mean Mark Edwards, um, Joe Andrews, e. Might Compton. The 117 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: list goes on and on. It's and we had to 118 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: rebuild that very quickly and very differently. So what the 119 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: Patriots did, to me that was interestingly different. It was 120 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: not that they used free agency. It's about how they 121 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: spent in free agency and how they had done that 122 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: and they had to go out and get get players. Um, 123 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: you know, that were that were more expensive that that 124 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: group of twenty three free agents. You know, Larry is 125 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: a Mike Rabele, Roman Fifer. Those guys cost us a 126 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: complete total of two point five million dollars in signing bonuses. 127 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: And again because we were getting players that were free agents, 128 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: but they weren't flashy, sizzled names that they were guys 129 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: that we felt could fit into the system. So that's 130 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: kind of how we did it. I'm glad you mentioned 131 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: that system because one of the things we talked about 132 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: on the podcast yesterday was, you know, we've had the 133 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: McVeigh tree, right with all these coaches coming from and 134 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: if you want to put them under McVeigh or Shanhan whatever, 135 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: a lot of them they're running similar stuff and they 136 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: have similar core beliefs, one of which, like with receivers, 137 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: they want them to all be interchangeable, to be able 138 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: to play all three spots. It's not like the kind 139 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: of the building the basketball team with what other teams 140 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: are trying to do. But my thing was now that 141 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: that McVeigh has been to two of these things and 142 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: one one of them, it's gonna embolden those guys from 143 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: that tree to say, hey, we know what our system is, 144 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: we know that it works at the highest level, so 145 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,559 Speaker 1: we need to bring in players that fit what we do. 146 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: So and some of these new coaches that are going 147 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: into new situations or young coaches at current situations, I 148 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: think we might see some some more movement than we've 149 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: seen in years past because of what what you guys 150 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: did forever, which was, hey, we know what fits us. 151 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: We don't care what you guys like, but this fits us. 152 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: I think this is gonna embolden a lot of coaches 153 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: to say, hey, trust our vision, let's go get the 154 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: guys that fit us. And DJ here. You know, it's 155 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: funny because as you're right, and that's what we did 156 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: in New England. We went out and found players that 157 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: not only fit us scheme wise systematically, but from a 158 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: makeup standpoint. And you know, I remember when it was 159 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: very early in my career and I would sit in 160 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: some of those meetings and listen to some coaches and 161 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: and scouts and directors, and if a guy didn't fit, 162 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: there's always you know you've been in the million, there's 163 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: that disrespectful talk, Oh that guy sucks. Are this guy's 164 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: And I remember thinking to myself, I learned a really 165 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: important message. I'm gonna digress here. Back when I was 166 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: a graduate assistant Syracuse and and Dick McPherson, God rest 167 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: his soul, one of the greatest men to ever to 168 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: be in this game. We're having a recruiting meeting and 169 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: one of the coaches was was just beating this kid up. 170 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: Oh he's this, he's and just can't do I can't 171 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: do this, can't you can't do and and but but 172 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: also in terminology, that's just inappropriate, right, and and I'll 173 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: never forget Max slams his fist down this and I 174 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: won't say the guy's name. He goes, don't you ever 175 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: say that again. That's somebody's son. You're talking about, that 176 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: someone's brother, you're talking about that could be your son. 177 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: And it was one of those moments again. I now, 178 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: I go years later where now I'm in the NFL, 179 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: and I'm hearing coaches and scouts talk that way, And 180 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: I remember bringing up to Bill at one point in time, 181 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: and it wasn't necessarily like, Hey, just because a guy 182 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: doesn't fit what we do doesn't mean that he stinks. 183 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that he's a bad guy. It's just 184 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: not the right fit. So can you know, why don't 185 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: we all talk in different terms here and talk about 186 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: let's find the guys that let's talk about what they 187 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: can do. And here's the But this is the brilliance 188 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: of Bill b is you give him a player that 189 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: can do something. Again, those that I talked about, those 190 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: twenty three free agents, they could all do at least 191 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: one or two things really well. And then Bill found 192 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: a spot for him and build. You know, he didn't 193 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: have this system that you had to be a part of. 194 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: He would find what you could do within the system. 195 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: And what you're saying with with with Sean, you know, 196 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: as a general manager, as a VP of player personnel, 197 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: whatever whatever, that tyler is the personnel guy. Even if 198 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: the the the struck. Sure the hierarchical structure is that 199 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: of where the GM hires the head coach or the 200 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: head coach, whatever that is, it doesn't matter. As soon 201 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: as the head coach is in place, the personnel department, 202 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: the general manager, everyone needs to become a servant and 203 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: a servant leader to the coaching staff because at the 204 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: end of the day, that's where the players are paying 205 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: attention to. And the personnel department is not only to 206 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: get the physical fit, but to get the makeup fit 207 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: that's going to match the personality of the head coach now, 208 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: and that's why I think, you know, some of these 209 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: coaches coming into new environments and they're gonna say, hey, 210 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: this guy might be really, really talented, but in terms 211 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: of the fit, whether it's schematically or makeup wise, he 212 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: doesn't really fit what we want to do going forward, 213 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: which to me was so much coaching turnover. I think 214 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: that's why we could see an active, a robust trade market. 215 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: And to me, one of the great examples of the 216 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: RAMS is Odell Beckham. Yeah, and people can think what 217 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: they want unless you live with him, and only you 218 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: don't know what he is or who he is, so 219 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: I leave that out of it. But here's what we 220 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: do know. He got there and he was happy and sean, 221 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: and let's have a culture there that he could thrive in. 222 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: So kudos to the Rams, and kudos again, he's a talent. 223 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: He's fitting the right way for now, no doubt. And 224 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: to go back to what you're saying about, um, you 225 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: know having Bill has done such a masterful job of 226 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: being able to take a guy if he does one 227 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: thing and put him in position to do that thing 228 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: very well. We joke about one of my buddies in 229 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: the league and we call it the three Amigos theory, 230 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: which is, if you've seen the three amigos, when he 231 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: comes back to when he comes back, yes, thank you. 232 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: Now when he comes back to the team, can't see me, 233 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: but I know that. Oh you know, it's the whole dance. 234 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: So when you go a wappo is coming right and 235 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: they go, what is it that this town does really well? 236 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: And then yet and the lady goes, we can sell, 237 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: You're like that, like, hey, he's a speed rusher, only Scott, 238 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: that's a but he can sell like that's the one 239 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: thing he can do. So we're gonna set him up 240 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: to do that one thing. Right. I'll give you a 241 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: perfect example from the two thousand one season. Our center 242 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: that year was Damien Woody. Yeah, okay, however, what people again, 243 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: I love to listen to people tell their version of 244 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: what our team was. But do you know that every 245 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: time that we went to shotgun, Damien would he moved 246 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: to guard and Mike Compton moved from guard to center 247 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: because wood He couldn't shotgun. Snap. Wow, I didn't. I didn't. 248 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: I did not know that, you know, and he was 249 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: my continent I talked about free agent. He was one 250 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: of the most important free agents that we signed. He 251 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: had started at left tackle, white tackle, left guard, right guard, 252 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: and center. He had started all five offensive lines. One 253 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: of the smartest football players I've ever been around, and 254 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: he was. He had come he had mostly been a 255 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: center in the league, and he would move. They would 256 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: swap because what he couldn't shotgun snap, He could do 257 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: one thing. Now you're hey, the three amigos. Three let's 258 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: make this a reality. Let's make this part of the 259 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: lexicon the football. I love it. Only if we could 260 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: kick it off by doing it wasn't my little buttercup. 261 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: We could do Slo Cup if you'd like. That's a matter. 262 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 1: That's fine. I like this podcast. What else? What else 263 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: do you think? You know? I know a lot of teams, 264 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: a couple of teams I was on. We would always, 265 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: and usually on the pro side, on the pro personnel side, 266 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: we would kind of take the final four teams and 267 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: just try and do a deep dive study and to say, okay, 268 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: what can we learn? Has anything change? Is the league 269 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: going in a different direction. Is there anything you know 270 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: from from this these two super Bowl teams or maybe 271 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: from the final four the playoffs that you think to 272 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: take away that that the rest of the league might 273 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: catch up to. Well, I don't. I don't know for 274 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: learning anything new, I will say this, Um, I don't 275 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: know if it's if, if there's anything new, I mean obviously, Well, 276 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: if you get a quarterback Tom Brady last year, Matthew 277 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: Stafford this year, are you surprised? Are you surprised Scott 278 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: at how I mean really actually bad from the Bengal standpoint, 279 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: offensive line wise, and how I would say mediocre to 280 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: average the Rams offensive line was to have two teams 281 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, I would I was because I 282 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: I I am a big believer in upfront and eventually 283 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 1: but likewise, however, here's what we'll say. They they both 284 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: teams were playing with fire all year. Matthew Stafford got 285 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: hammered a couple of times. Joe Burrow Tennessee nine sacks. 286 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how many hits. I mean, he was 287 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: sacked sacked this year the third most times in a season. 288 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, last year's rookie year right 289 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: before he tours a c L and I was praying 290 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: every week that it wouldn't happen. You know, in those 291 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: first it was nine games plus part of the tenth 292 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: he was leading, leading, getting sacked, and and so we 293 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: saw in this Super Bowl both guys got rolled up 294 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: on and it was this close and I know its 295 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: a podcast and put my fingers really together, um to 296 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: going the wrong way. And here's what I'll say, Um, 297 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: it depends on what you're trying to build. Right, if 298 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: you want to be sustainable, you do have to have 299 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: an offensive line if it's going to be sustainable with 300 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: a really good quarterback. But again, if you're looking for again, 301 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: the Buccaneers were a great example from the standpoint Tommy 302 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: played really really well last year and I think they 303 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: were one of the only one of only a handful 304 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: of teams. Are less than a handful of teams that 305 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: had all five starting offensive lineman for every game. And 306 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: so when the Bucks did it, Now you fast forward 307 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: to this year again, both teams got away with it. 308 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: And you know, you go back last year to the 309 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: Chiefs that you know that was one of their achilles heels. 310 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: Their offensive line was good. They lost in the Super 311 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: Bowl exactly right, So to me, just because you get 312 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: away with something doesn't mean that it's okay. Right. I mean, 313 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: that's one of the stories in the National Football League. 314 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: It's just like just because a player has a bad 315 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: game doesn't mean he's a bad player. Sometimes on the 316 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: flip side, you know, you've got to be careful that 317 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: that you don't allow, you know, current mistakes to become 318 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: the seeds of future defeats. That's a that's a great phrase. 319 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: I was talking with the GM buddy mutual friend, and 320 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: we were talking about just kind of looking at the 321 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: you know, the teams in the Super Bowl, and we 322 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: started talking about the Bengals and he said, look, when 323 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: you really study it and look at it over the 324 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: last ten, fifteen, twenty years, like to have an offensive 325 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: line like this is an aberration, Like it's not. Don't 326 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: don't trick yourself into thinking you can do this. Yeah, right, 327 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: there will always be exceptions, and it's just like it 328 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: was different, but it's similar the the someone hit me 329 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: with this question before the Super Bowl, this is how 330 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: about this new trend in the NFL. The two youngest 331 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: coaches in the history of the game. You know, this 332 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: is a new thing. I'm like, just because something happens 333 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: once or twice doesn't make it a trend. You know, 334 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: go back a year ago and we had to match 335 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: up of the combined to oldest coaches, you know, with 336 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: with Andy Reid and Bruce Areans. So just because something 337 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: happens one time again doesn't make it a trend. It 338 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's okay. You need to not be cynical, 339 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: but always question why, why, why? Why? Why? That's what 340 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: good scouts do. You know, you we grew up in 341 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: a very similar family, scouting family, DJ, So I know 342 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: everything you know because I for those who know, I 343 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: started with the Baltimore Ravens, and Rosie Newsome obviously played 344 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: for coach Belichick and that's that's he worked under coach 345 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: with you, and so he's that's where everything came from. 346 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: So if you kind of look at the success that 347 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: the Ravens, this sustained success that they've had, and you 348 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: look at the Patriots obviously the unmatched success that they've had, 349 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: they speak the same language. We would sit in the 350 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: draft room, Scott, and you know, we we put red 351 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: stars on players, right, so every scout gets chance to 352 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: put their red star on one guy and the Red Star. 353 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: And it was so many times where like I put 354 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: it on Logan Mankins, and it was because the Patriots 355 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: and the Ravens we valued a lot of the same 356 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: qualities and traits in players. Absolutely, And that was because, 357 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: you know, and Ozzie and Phil they all knew because 358 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: Kirk ference was the offensive line coach and Pat Hill 359 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: was the assistant offensive line coach. Pat was coaching Logan 360 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: at Fresno. Say, but it was right. It was the 361 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: same type of guys that you were looking for positionally, 362 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: And you know, DJ, we just missed each other because 363 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: I was there. I was with the Browns when Bill 364 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: was fired, still under contract, so I went. I was 365 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: there for the nineties six draft, the Ray Lewis Jonathan. Yeah, 366 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: there's a funny story. It's a much longer story. But 367 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: one of the greatest leadership moments I've ever seen was 368 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: when Ozzy chose to look at Mr Modal and say, 369 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, Lawrence Phillips wanted Lawrence Phillips exactly right. Mr 370 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: Modal did, and and and thankfully Ozzy did the right thing. 371 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: But you know, it's funny that year, you know, and 372 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: pro personal I was allowed to hire one intern to 373 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: be my my pro slappy as we call him. Yeah, yeah, 374 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: you know it was. It wasn't Da Costa. He was 375 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 1: coaching linebackers at Trinity, but he had grown up with 376 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: one of my college teammates and roommates. He's like, yeah, 377 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: I know this guy, and I dug all the vowels 378 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: in his name, so we brought him in. You guys 379 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: combined for a lot of owls. Yeah, we did the 380 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: league in vowels. Ye, yeah, no doubt. This is gonna 381 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: be interesting off season for them. By the way, they've 382 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: got to figure out, you know, with Lamar and his contract. 383 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: By the way, Lamar which brings me this interesting nugget, 384 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: the fact that he's his own agent. Did you ever 385 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: deal with players that were their own agent one time? Um, well, 386 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: that's not true. So officially, Teddy Bruski, who had Brad 387 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: Blank and Brad Blank had represented him. But it was 388 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: Teddy's last deal, I think, and um, you know, Brad 389 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: was still his advisor, but Teddy wanted to negotiate with me, 390 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: so Teddy and I did his last deal. Um. But 391 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: I also know in one of Brady's extensions, the first 392 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: big one, um don yee was his agent, and Don 393 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: and I were you know, at Loggerheads and this was gosh, 394 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: it was the year that Manning had gone to this 395 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: astronomical fourteen million dollars and I think Drew Brees deal 396 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: was thirteen and a half meeting average a year. And 397 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: we were like trying to keep this team together and 398 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: we had a ceiling and we were just at this 399 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 1: standstill and Brady came into my office, closed the door 400 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: and said, we gotta get this done. I'm like, Tommy, 401 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: we can't have this conversation. Tommy, Don's still your age, 402 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: and He's like, come on, man. Yeah. So there were 403 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: a couple of times, um, not a whole lot, but 404 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: a couple of times. You know, I remember, like you know, 405 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: Carl Banks, it was pretty transparent, Um, but like what 406 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 1: what was it? What? I'm just curious when that, like, 407 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: how do you argue against their number to their face? 408 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: Like that to me, would like the Lamar thing seems 409 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: to be so challenging when he says, hey, I want 410 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: Josh Allen's deal or Josh Allen's deal plus, and then 411 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,959 Speaker 1: you know, you inevitably could get to the point where like, well, 412 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: we're not gonna pay you what they paid Josh Allen, 413 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: it's it gets awkward, and I remember with Brady. With 414 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: Brady it wasn't because here's the thing. I think, if 415 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: there's a respectful relationship, just like there was with with 416 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: with Bruce Ki, you you get in there and say, listen, 417 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: if we're gonna talk business, we have to compartmentalize things. 418 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: And unfortunately we're gonna talk business. And people say, oh, 419 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: it's not personal, it's business. Well it's always exactly when 420 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: you're talking about someone's money, it's it's but you know, 421 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: here's the thing is, I had negotiated my own contracts. 422 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: I never had an agent, so I had to negotiate 423 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: my contract directly with Robert Kraft and Jonathan Craft. I 424 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: had to negotiate it, you know with Bill back when 425 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: I was a slappy with the Browns. You know, you 426 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: go through those experiences and you learn that you just 427 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: need to treat those conversations with absolute respect and that 428 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: you understand the rules of engagement and and say, I 429 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 1: remember saying Brew, you know there might be some uncomfortable 430 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: things said. Here. Let's just understand. Let's preface this with 431 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: I love you, Okay, I love you, and I respect you. 432 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: And now we're talking business. And and if I crossed 433 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: this line and I'm a jerk, you need to let 434 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: me know if I'm being a jerk, because it's not 435 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: going to be intentional. And that was I remember the 436 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: same thing with Brady when when he got himself involved. 437 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: That was, you know, that was just weird because he 438 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: had an agent and you're not allowed to do it. 439 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: And he's like, you know, I don't care. I just 440 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: want to get this done. Which I'm sure Don loved 441 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: that phone call. By the way, Hey, tom has it 442 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: gone well? I just left Scott's office? You what, No, 443 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 1: here's what he did. Tommy said, in the meeting, we 444 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: were talking to me. He was talking numbers. Where are 445 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: you guys? He says, get down on the phone. I'm like, Tommy, 446 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: we're not doing this. We're not doing this. He guys, 447 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: get down on the He dials down and hey Tommy, Ary, Hey, Tommy, 448 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: how you doing. Let's go on and and and he goes, 449 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Hey, I'm up here in Scott's office. 450 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: Oh boy, pregnant. Pause. It was very pregnant. It was 451 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: very long labor um. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was interesting, 452 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: It really was. And but you know, the deal got done, 453 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: the money got agreed to. But you know, I respect 454 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: Don so much. Don was a friend, is a friend, 455 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: and I respect at him. And it wasn't necessarily fair 456 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: the way it happened. But I know this man. When 457 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,959 Speaker 1: we got down to the language part of the contract 458 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: that took weeks, we agreed to the money and he says, okay, 459 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: here we go. Now that language is going to be 460 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: and and it was. It was. It was one of 461 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: those things where and I I mean this, I respect 462 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: Don so much. It it got weird, but it got 463 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: done and everyone was happy in the end, and and 464 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: and it was yeah, yeah, yeah, I the process could 465 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: have been better, right, the process could have been better. 466 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: You got, you got, we need to be all right. 467 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,239 Speaker 1: Last question that I'm gonna let you run. You've been 468 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: so generous with your time. This is this is getting 469 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: ready to head into free agency. We've talked about you 470 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: know some of the key moves that that you've made 471 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: really at all your stops and you know a bunch 472 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: of them that have led to the championship level football. 473 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: If and you live by the water where they have 474 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: warning signs, right, you know, the tide and the us 475 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: and have shark whatever they've got. Yeah, they've got the one. 476 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: So what would you would you give GMS a free 477 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: piece of information on just hey, be aware of what 478 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: as we head into free agency, be aware of not 479 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: being able to serve your coaching staff and the franchise. 480 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: Put yourself and your feelings. You need to have feelings, beliefs, 481 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: strength of opinion. But everything you do in player acquisition 482 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: serve the greater good and because to me, that's that's 483 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: what you're doing. And I mean it. You know I 484 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: said it before DJ Lead as a servant. Your job 485 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: as a general manager is to serve everybody else and 486 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: to put the team together with the not only the 487 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: good players, but the right players that match. So that 488 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: that would be I don't know if that was the 489 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: right answer or a meaning like the answer to the question, 490 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: but be a servant man. That's great. That is great advice, 491 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: something to think about as we had to words free agency. 492 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: And again I'm gonna keep banging this drum. I think 493 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: we see a lot of movement this offseason. I think 494 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: a lot of these coaches are in new situations and 495 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna have inherit some talent. But they're gonna say 496 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: this talent is they're talented, but they don't match. Yeah. 497 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: And the other thing I'll say this DJ. The reason 498 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: I think you're right, we're seeing this new thing where 499 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: players are more empowered than they've ever been and they're 500 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: forcing the hands of of I don't want to say 501 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: of ownership, of leadership of what it is. So it's 502 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: it's gonna be an interesting combination. Looking forward to a 503 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: fun off season. But Man, I always enjoy our conversations, 504 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: whether we're doing podcasts or just catching up in person, 505 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: are on the phone, you are. You're the best man. 506 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: I appreciate all your time. Today we need to do 507 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: more of Thanks brother, be well, thanks man. All right, 508 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: that was always great to catch up with Scott. I 509 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: hope you guys are able to take something from that. 510 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: I mean to me, the servant leadership and the alignment 511 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: organizationally is huge. UM. As a general manager, you can't 512 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: get married to past decisions. It's all about the future. UM. 513 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: If you have guys that have talent but they don't fit, 514 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 1: and you've got a staff in there that that UH 515 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: needs other you know, other skills at those positions, I 516 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: think you've got to kind of swallow your pride a 517 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: little bit, make the adjustments, and uh see if you 518 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: can't put the best roster out there that fits what 519 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: your current coaching staff is looking for. I think that's 520 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: great advice. Um, really a fascinating conversation there with Scott Peel. 521 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: You enjoy it? To Bill, what do you think? Man? Yeah? 522 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it a lot. And Scott's a guy you know, 523 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: I looked up to even when I was in college 524 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: and I would email him getting advice about scouting. So 525 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: he's built the Patriots up, and it's a guy I 526 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: always looked up to. And you know, it's great, A 527 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: great conversation. I took a lot away from it. Yeah, 528 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 1: no doubt I enjoyed it as well. We'll have Bucky 529 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: back on Thursday. We're gonna really start jumping into the 530 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: draft now. Been cranking a bunch of these players. I'm 531 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: gonna finish up the defensive lineman. I'll have all the 532 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: defensive lineman and going to the combine done here by 533 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: the time we get to the next podcast. So maybe 534 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: we we dig in talk some of these pass rushers, 535 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: which it is a a really deep town in a 536 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: group in this upcoming draft. We'll get that on Thursday, 537 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: amongst some other things. So I hope you guys have 538 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I'll look forward to being back with you 539 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: on Thursday. We'll see you next time right here on. 540 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: Move the sticks.