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Speaker 1: Bodybags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Imagine if you will, You've

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this his body backs. Joining

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Speaker 1: me today again is my pout Jackie Howard, executive producer

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Speaker 1: of Crime Stories. When Nancy Grace, Jackie, We've been looking

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Speaker 1: at Jared's case now for lord over a year, I guess,

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Speaker 1: And suddenly we've got movement in this case. We do.

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Speaker 1: There has been an arrest made in the murder of

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Speaker 1: Microsoft executive Jared bright Agan. He was killed in front

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Speaker 1: drop off, as you said, his twins to his ex

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Speaker 1: they shared custody. Henry Tannan is accused by police of

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Speaker 1: There is a tire in the roadway again one way street,

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Speaker 1: Where was he shot, what was his wounds and is

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Speaker 1: this went down pretty quickly, Jackie, that he was killed

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Speaker 1: do know is that it was close range and that

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Speaker 1: But he was essentially found deceased immediately outside of the car,

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Speaker 1: the police have said over and over again. And I

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Speaker 1: can tell you a big piece of this that we

434
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: might can safely speculate on. This is probably going to

435
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: be a semi automatic weapon because you've got multiple ejected

436
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: shell casings. Now it's possible that you could have used

437
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: a revolver and you can eject shells from a revolver

438
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: with an ejection rod that you kind of you open

439
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: up the cylinder and you push them out and it

440
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: drops on the ground. But those are becoming fewer and fewer. Nowadays.

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00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: Most people are going to be carrying a semi automatic handgun,

442
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: and so where you have shell casings that are ejected

443
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: out of the side, people need to be very careful

444
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: when you start to talk about the relationship between shell

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00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: casings and say the decedent that is the person that

446
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: has passed away, the homicide victim. Many people will get

447
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: an idea that when you see these ejected shell casings

448
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: it might be an indication of movement of the perpetrator

449
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: as they're firing the weapon. That is a falsehood because

450
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: you can have a distribution of shell casings all over

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00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: the place, particularly on a very solid, hard surface. Remember

452
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: this is on an asphalted surface in a road. So

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00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: when those spent metal casings eject out of that ejection

454
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: port and they hit the ground, it's anybody's guess as

455
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: to where they're going to wind up, and they'll bounce

456
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: all over the place. Even in an individual that stays static,

457
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: that means stands still while they're firing. These spent casings

458
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 1: can bounce all over the place. You can't even there's

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00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: no way to even do the mathematical computation that would

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00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: be involved to try to make a guess at to

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00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: where one casing will land as opposed to another. So

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00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be an indication of movement of the individual,

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00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: whether they were static or moving around. It's just going

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00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: to give you an idea of an approximation as to

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Speaker 1: where the perpetrator was. It sounds as though, based upon

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00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: what the police have said, is that it was perpetrated

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00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: very close to the open car door that Jared had

468
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: had stepped out of. Remember he put his flashers on,

469
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 1: opened the door, and stepped out, and then boom boom.

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00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: So you've got the shell casings that are lying about

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00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: semi automatic we believe, and it will essentially go back

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00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: to a particular weapon. Now here's what the police are

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00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: looking for. Hopefully they can find this weapon because if

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00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: they do and deepen it upon the track of the

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00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: wounds and the rounds that passed into Jared, if they

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00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: recovered any of those rounds whatsoever, they can tie that

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00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: back to the barrel. We've talked a lot about ballistics

478
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: on body backs, so that's certainly something that would help

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00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: us identify the weapon and potentially put it into the

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00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: hand of the person that possessed it at the time

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00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: of this crime. Also, you would begin to look at

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00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: these aforementioned casings that have been spent because they have

483
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: marks on them too. They have extraction marks, to have

484
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: ejector marks. It's soft metal. So as the process is

485
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: happening where that around is being that spent cation is

486
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: being pulled out of the weapon by this force as

487
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: it's flying through the air and just before it's literally

488
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: grabbed within the weapon slid back, and those markings are

489
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: distinctive to that weapon. That's important because not only if

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00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: you get the weapon, you can tie the projectile ballistically

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00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: back to the weapon, but you can look at the

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00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: markings on the casing and tie that back to the

493
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: same weapon. You're not just looking at what's coming out

494
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: of the barrel, You're also looking at what's coming out

495
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: of the ejection port as well, because those are very

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00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: distinctive scientifically. Speaking of scientifically, how about something that we

497
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: kind of take for granted every day and people kind

498
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: of dismiss and don't realize how scientific it really is.

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00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: And that is the life holihood of video from every angle.

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00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you're going to have houses that are going

501
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: to have doorbell cameras. You're going to have businesses usually

502
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: or going to have some kind of surveillance cameras. So

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00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: we know that it was reported that there was a

504
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: blue truck. How do you think that they pinpointed or

505
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: narrowed down on the truck that it belonged to tennin

506
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: I got one better for you than just simply seeing

507
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: the truck on video. The night of Remember how we

508
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: talked about going out and reconning an area like the

509
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: military wood. What if they were able to put that

510
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: truck out there during the daytime hours where it's passing

511
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: through this area up and down the road searching for

512
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: that choke point as we mentioned, what if they got

513
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: that truck captured on video by rain camp. And look,

514
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how much folks know about this area,

515
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: but this is a high dollar where this took place. Now.

516
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: I know that we made it sound very vacant, and

517
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: it is in this particular area, but up and down

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00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: this road you've got homes that are far nicer than

519
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: anything that I live in very very high end real estate.

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00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: And what do high end real estate owners tend to

521
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: have on their homes, Well, they like security. I don't

522
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: think the police are just simply reliant upon what happened

523
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: that night. They're reliant upon what happened the days leading

524
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: up to this event. They may have gone to all

525
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: of these homes up and down this road and said, well, sir, ma'am,

526
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: can we pull your video footage here? Were looking in

527
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: this case, we want to look back several days. Maybe

528
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: they had an eyewitness, Maybe they saw a strange truck

529
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: that wasn't part of that neighborhood, and somebody came to

530
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: the police and said, you know what, there's been a

531
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: truck that's been driving back and forth through here for

532
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: the past week. We don't know who the guy is,

533
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: but you know, I heard about the description. I didn't

534
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: see it that night, but man truck just like that's

535
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: been driving up and down the road preceding the event.

536
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: So that could be part and parcel of what the

537
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: police are looking for as well, or have identified in

538
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: this particular case, certainly enough to create a search warrant

539
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: perhaps and then finally an arrest warrant in this particular case.

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00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: I think all the things that you've told us about

541
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: today Joe really puts together and solidifies for people how

542
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: long it truly can take to solve a murder case.

543
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we're looking at over a year now before

544
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: an arrest was made in this case, Yes we are.

545
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: And God blessed Cherry's wife to go through what she's

546
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: gone through with these children day in and day out,

547
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: wondering all of his family that have been so united

548
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: in this case. And finally they get this one ray

549
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: of hope here. Because it has been an uphill struggle

550
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of questions that have been asked,

551
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: and that doesn't go to the police don't know what

552
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 1: they're doing. I take exception anytime somebody who says that

553
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: the police are being careful, particularly you know, because the

554
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: word conspiracy has come up in this case. That adds

555
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: a whole nother level of complexity to a case. That

556
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: means that you just don't have one individual that you're

557
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: looking at, You're looking at multiple individuals. So it increases

558
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: it by a specific factor and it makes it very layered.

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00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: You know, we haven't even even touched on certainly. I

560
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: think maybe many of us kind of take it for granted.

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00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: We haven't touched on the fact that the perpetrator may

562
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: have been carrying cell phone with him. What if there

563
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: were text messages that were going back and forth. What

564
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: if he's pinging off the towers. For all I know,

565
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: this individual left their phone at home, But what if,

566
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: just what if they were lying in wait out there

567
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: as Jared is traveling home to go back home to

568
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: his precious family with that precious angel in the backseat,

569
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: and he's sitting out there in those bushes waiting for

570
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: him to come back, and he's got his phone in

571
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: his pocket, and all the while, all the while, they're

572
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: able to tide back to a specific perpetrator, and that

573
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: thing is pinging off of those towers, giving them a

574
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: specific identification and location as to where he was the

575
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: entire time. You brought up to conspiracy again, Joe, So

576
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: let me say it one more time. We are not

577
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: jumping to conclusions. No one has been named as a

578
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: co conspirator in this case. No one has been arrested

579
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: as a co conspirator in this case. So far has

580
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: been Henry Tennan. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is

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00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: body backs