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Speaker 2: We bring in Vincenzo Goodwill Junior, the third Young Who's

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Speaker 2: Sports Senior NBA writer, host of the Good Word podcast,

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Speaker 2: and Yon Who's sports Ball Don't Lie Sirius XM NBA

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Speaker 2: host as well. He'll be covering the NBA Finals. All right,

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Speaker 2: here's your question. Tom Thibodeaux was fired because dot dot.

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Speaker 3: The New York Knicks wanted to fire.

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Speaker 4: I think we try to make things a lot more complicated.

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Speaker 3: Than they are.

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Speaker 4: If you make the Eastern Conference Finals in a year

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Speaker 4: where nobody expected you to get out of the second round,

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Speaker 4: regardless of the circumstances, and you take out the defending

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Speaker 4: champions in a decisive six game series, and that's not

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Speaker 4: enough for you to keep your job, that meant that

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Speaker 4: nothing was going to enable you to keep your job.

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Speaker 4: You can talk about the Knicks roster and how top

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Speaker 4: heavy they are there second Apron team, and I think

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Speaker 4: that is something Dan that we.

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Speaker 3: Don't talk about as much.

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Speaker 4: When you look at the Phoenix Suns and the Milwaukee Bucks,

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Speaker 4: some of those teams are in those second Aprons, those

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Speaker 4: very sumitive, investment heavy.

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Speaker 3: You know, parts of the CBA. The expectations are championship.

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Speaker 4: And even if the roster doesn't look like a championship,

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Speaker 4: the investment of the money says we expect you to

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Speaker 4: deliver a championship. Now, maybe Tom Thibodeau took this team

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Speaker 4: as far as it can go.

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Speaker 3: If you need a more innovative offensive mind.

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Speaker 4: You know, there was a lot of chemistry issues that

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Speaker 4: looked like between Carl Anthony Townsend Jalen Brunson.

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Speaker 3: But I asked you, Dan, when was the last time.

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Speaker 4: You've seen an NBA champion that had defensive issues at

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Speaker 4: the point of attack with the point guard.

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Speaker 3: And at the reun with the center, and you won

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Speaker 3: a championship.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if God himself could have worked the

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Speaker 4: magic that Tom Thibodeaux was asked to work in these playoffs.

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Speaker 2: So you're saying, then they overachieved with Tom Thibodeau not

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Speaker 2: underachieved in these playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Yes, absolute, I don't look at or I would say

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Speaker 4: this to the fans. Did you know that Landry Shamman

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Speaker 4: and Delon Wright were actually in the NBA when Tom

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Speaker 4: Thibodeau threw them out there?

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Speaker 3: Now you can say Tips.

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Speaker 4: Didn't develop his bench and everything else and depth in

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Speaker 4: today's game wins. When you look at Oklahoma City Thunder,

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Speaker 4: you look at the Indiana Pacers, the two teams playing

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Speaker 4: in the NBA Finals, you are absolutely correct. But when

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Speaker 4: you build a team that says the Keel Bridges, we're

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Speaker 4: going to pay five first round picks for you, and

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Speaker 4: then we bring in ognob before that, and then on

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Speaker 4: the evil training camp we traded for Carl Anthony Towns.

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Speaker 4: You don't have the space to develop a bench. And

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Speaker 4: I know Tiff should have developed a bench better, but

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Speaker 4: I can't think of a coach beam fired because of

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Speaker 4: supplementary players. Now, if you tell me that Jalen brought

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Speaker 4: to the Carl Towns of the Keil Bridges went into

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Speaker 4: a reading individually with Jim Dolan and said, we know

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Speaker 4: what you're thinking.

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Speaker 3: Maybe this isn't the guy that help us move forward. Okay, fine,

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Speaker 3: because this is a totally.

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Speaker 4: Different team than the team tips to Gover all those

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Speaker 4: years ago. It's a much more talented, offensively based team.

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Speaker 4: And maybe that's the reason. But either way, that's what Dan.

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Speaker 4: We won't find out. This punk's of Tony Field will

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Speaker 4: never come out of his shadow. And I'm talking about

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Speaker 4: Leon Road. We never see that man, I will be

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Speaker 4: bald headed or we never see Leon Rose in public again.

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Speaker 3: And let me tell you all, I got a good

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Speaker 3: hairline still. See.

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Speaker 2: I think that if you make a move, you fire

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Speaker 2: a coach or hire a coach, you should get in

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Speaker 2: front of the media. You got the media capital of

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Speaker 2: the world, New York City. You made the move. If

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Speaker 2: I'm a fan, I would like to at least have

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Speaker 2: answers what was it that we didn't get and what

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Speaker 2: are you bringing in? Now? He might show up if

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Speaker 2: they bring in Michael Malone, take a victory lap, and

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Speaker 2: then maybe they don't ask questions about Tom Thibodeau. But

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Speaker 2: you got to get in front of the media here, right, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I'm surprised that Nick fans, well, for one,

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Speaker 4: Nick fans don't like the media.

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Speaker 3: Nobody likes the big bad media.

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Speaker 4: So when the media says, hey, there's a need for

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Speaker 4: public accountability, you know, you can look.

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Speaker 3: At that a lot of different spheres of our world today.

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Speaker 4: Nobody likes the media when and got that accountability is necessary.

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Speaker 4: But let me say to this point, even if you

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Speaker 4: go hiring Michael Malone, what is the difference between Michael

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Speaker 4: Malone and Tom Thibodeau. Wasn't Michael Malone fired in a

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Speaker 4: large part because of his inability to work with the

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Speaker 4: front office to develop young players. Isn't that one of

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Speaker 4: the complaints about Tom Thibodeau. Don't they come from the

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Speaker 4: same New York sort of tree, the tree of NBA coaches.

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Speaker 3: I feel like they're kind of similar.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they know who they're hiring?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't think they know who they're hiring.

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Speaker 4: I think and I don't necessarily know if you have

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Speaker 4: to know who you're hiring. I don't think this is

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Speaker 4: the case of when the Pistons fired Brig Carlisle in

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Speaker 4: two thousand and three, they knew they had Larry Brown

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Speaker 4: in their back pocket and they want to win the

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Speaker 4: championship the next season to validate it.

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Speaker 3: I don't think this is that. I think they they

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Speaker 3: are walking in this with a relatively open mind.

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Speaker 4: You see the list of guys, even some coaches who

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Speaker 4: are feeling in the contract.

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Speaker 3: They oh Tom Fibodeau thirty million dollars. I will say this,

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Speaker 3: and I'm gonna go back to firing of tips.

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Speaker 4: When you fire a coach for thirty million dollars left

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Speaker 4: on this deal, and you're willing to eat that.

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Speaker 3: It's not just the owner, because I've.

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Speaker 4: Heard three hours before, Hey it's Tom thibberdo say, And

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Speaker 4: someone told me, two people told me inside that building,

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Speaker 4: close to that building, they said, not unless Dolan wants to.

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Speaker 3: So I don't think it was Jim Dolan.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it was just the players in those

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Speaker 4: closed door means. I think they had long made this decision,

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Speaker 4: and I don't think they had necessarily a list of

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Speaker 4: who they had in front of them aposed Donaldist. I

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Speaker 4: think I don't think it's gonna be Jay Ryden. I

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Speaker 4: feel it's gonna be back gunned do or anything like that.

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Speaker 4: I think it's the New York Vicks being the New

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Speaker 2: What about Danny Hurley?

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Speaker 3: Have you seen Danny Hurley on the sideline?

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Speaker 2: I know, I know my job is just to ask

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Speaker 3: Don't want to you don't want to lead the witness.

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Speaker 2: No, No, it's it's something that's unique in this business.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't happen very often where the host just asked the question,

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Speaker 2: doesn't ask answer and then to ask, so what about

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Speaker 2: Danny Hurley.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Danny Hurriley has the sort of temperament.

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Speaker 4: An eighty two game season, the scrutiny of the New

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Speaker 4: the point now where reaching the conference finals is the floor.

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Speaker 4: But it's like that there was the girl always dated

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Speaker 4: and when we first met, she said, the bar is

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Speaker 4: the floor.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to do much. I have to who

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Speaker 3: the bar is a lot higher now for them and

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Speaker 3: how they had to move. So you have to be

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Speaker 3: careful about what type of coach you.

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Speaker 4: Bring in because there's the scrutiny, because it's the dollar impactor,

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Speaker 4: because it's worldwide. Who was maybe Rick Brunson, you know

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Speaker 4: Leon Rose. It's all these different factions inside the building.

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Speaker 4: And again I ask you what championship coach the coach

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Speaker 4: Carl defending the round and Jalen Brunston and being an

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Speaker 4: out right so they get a factor on defense at

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Speaker 4: the point of a touch. I don't and Jalen Brunson

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Speaker 4: at six peaks zero PM. There's so much of a

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Speaker 4: team's offense. If you're talking about a Knicks players not

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Speaker 4: sure what their role is he has so much of

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Speaker 4: a disproportionate value on the offense being run. I don't

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Speaker 4: think they talk about that. He's like James Harten, He's

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Speaker 4: like Luca Naunton and guys around that have a hard

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Speaker 4: time playing. So I don't even offensively. You have the

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Speaker 3: The skame to build a championship team.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Vincent Goodwill, yeaho's sports senior NBA writer, I

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Speaker 2: did laugh. At the end of the year, after they

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Speaker 2: get eliminated, people now start pointing out that Karl Anthony

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Speaker 2: Towns can't play defense, And I'm thinking, did anybody watch

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Speaker 2: him prior to getting to New York. He doesn't play defense.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he tries. That'd be even sadder

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Speaker 2: if he was. If he was actually trying to play defense,

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Speaker 2: I'd rather just go with and I'll use my energy

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Speaker 4: Well, you guys played Princess seventeen days coming in Princes

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Speaker 4: one of Prince's favorite musicians.

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Speaker 3: Well she leave with the bongos. That's what Karl Anthony

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Speaker 4: He's playing defense, he's just back too upside the head

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Speaker 4: and this you know why I did that?

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Speaker 3: And you're right.

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Speaker 4: We saw Carl Towns with Rudy go there in Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: They surrounded him with defensive players. Athony Edwards is a

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Speaker 4: dog on defense. Jay mc damis is a dog on defense.

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Speaker 4: You have to surround him with players at all different

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Speaker 3: He's ten years there.

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Speaker 4: He's a wildly efficient offensive player, a wildly talented offensive player.

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Speaker 3: But also Jalen Brunson.

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Speaker 4: Had a grand total DAN of five assists the Karl

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Speaker 3: Something is not working with the mix with those two.

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Speaker 4: ProAb played his best when Brunson was on the bench,

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Speaker 4: and then when Brunson's on the bench, Probab gets you

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Speaker 4: a file though.

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Speaker 2: All right, NBA Finals, tell me how long? Yeah, that's happening,

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Speaker 2: rumor has it? Do you think the Knicks make the

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Speaker 2: announcement of the next head coach during the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. David Stern was always had a problem.

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Speaker 2: Don't take away from the finals. But I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you know this commissioner cares or the Knicks care.

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Speaker 2: But will they hire their head coach by the end

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Speaker 2: of the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if you know, Emperor Stern is much

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Speaker 4: more than authoritarian figure than Adam.

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Speaker 3: Silber, who's a little bit more on the diplomatic side. Right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're assuming that the NBA Finals go longer

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Speaker 4: than five games, but the NBA Finals stretch out for

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Speaker 4: like two weeks, I had to pack like seventy five

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Speaker 4: finals work the problems and stuff to carry here. But

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Speaker 4: to answer your question, Dan, seriously, I wouldn't be surprised

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Speaker 4: if the Knicks. I don't think the Knicks care. You

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Speaker 4: don't think I don't think James Dolan cares. And if

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Speaker 4: we say Leon Rose are don't have to be a

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Speaker 4: time with anything, nobody publicly or maybe even privately when

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Speaker 4: these states come out. But I think if they find

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Speaker 4: I mean, you go ahead and you make the announce,

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Speaker 4: you get it out and whatever Adam.

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Speaker 3: Silk says, they don't care. The league.

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Speaker 3: Hyris Halliburton has a STEVEE.

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Speaker 3: If he can get this Oklahoma City defense mixed up

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Speaker 4: Remember the different Nuggets Nakoli Jokis and he took this

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Speaker 3: And they played all this basketball down the stretch.

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Speaker 4: We've seen the Indiana Pacers have come back victories against

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Speaker 4: The case may be and Rick Carlock is a wizard

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Speaker 4: Hyris Halliverton has to be a monster in this series.

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Speaker 4: The Pacers have to shoot what they shot against the Knicks.

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Speaker 2: And to go back to the Knicks. For this question,

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Speaker 4: he had the stamina to do that, and the words

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Speaker 3: A welcome through that. Do Charl's Oakley and walk him

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Speaker 2: That he's not allowed to walk through. Yeah, he literally

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Speaker 2: But it was it was exciting and intense. It wasn't

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Speaker 4: Well remember specifically go back to nineteen ninety five where

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Speaker 3: To pre scoring. So that was one of those things.

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Speaker 4: And then the Detroit Pistons the forty eight minutes of

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Speaker 3: That's why thirty points. Then it looks a lot different

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Speaker 2: How would Steve Nash be in today's game?

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Speaker 4: If Steve Nasri realized that he had the green like

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Speaker 3: I think he would be.

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Speaker 4: I think the point guards with previous eras when you

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Speaker 4: Those guys would be so much better in today's game,

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Speaker 4: They're getting to the lane and getting layups all day

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Speaker 4: because you have to guard from thirty feet out and

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember coaches would tell me that they had

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Speaker 2: And they said, you know, now you're hurting us that

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 4: He was amazingly efficient and sometimes when you take more

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Speaker 4: so married to, you know, whatever the numbers are that

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Speaker 3: To worry about winning the statistic battle.

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Speaker 4: I don't think Steve Nash was like I think Steve

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Speaker 4: Blast was a hard those competitor. And when you have

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Speaker 2: The playing for what would Barkley be like today?

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Speaker 3: Illegal? Because who's garden him Dan?

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Speaker 6: Who's guarding a six foot six, lightning quick athletic three four.

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Speaker 6: Remember Charles played a lot of three in his latter

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Speaker 3: MVP in nineteen ninety playing a small forward.

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Speaker 4: If you gave Charles Barkley and open the floor, you said,

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Speaker 4: we need fifty for you to night, that's what you got.

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Speaker 4: The only hope is that, Hey, Charles, you got to

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Speaker 3: That's the only question.

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Speaker 2: As Charles has told me many times, as long as

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Speaker 4: Wow Burn, Hey, look there's a play near and deer

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Speaker 2: Well, sometimes, you know, you look at Lebron and I

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Speaker 3: Well, remember that Utah Jazz game six with Chicago was

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Speaker 3: Well I am. I am a detroiter.

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Speaker 2: able to go and enjoy the moment with his family.

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Speaker 2: Have a speech there. I didn't realize Don Cherry was

441
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Speaker 2: not in the Hockey Hall of Fame and he was

442
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Speaker 2: Hockey certainly Hockey Night in Canada. But Johnny butcher gross

443
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Speaker 2: my hockey guy joining us now. But good to talk

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Speaker 2: to you. Thank you for us saying what you said.

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Speaker 2: Obviously it has more weight when you say it in

446
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Speaker 2: the hockey community. But what would be the hold up

447
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Speaker 2: to put both of these men in the Hockey Hall

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Speaker 2: of fame.

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Speaker 8: Well, just adding a sentence to the criteria, Dan, right now,

450
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Speaker 8: the criteria there's a category for sports writers and for

451
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Speaker 8: play by play guys, and that's it.

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Speaker 2: And that was my point.

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Speaker 8: You can change this with eleven words or less play

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Speaker 8: by play or analyst, whatever word you want to use.

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Speaker 8: And obviously Don Cherry and Barry Melrose for thirty years

456
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Speaker 8: were the biggest names in their countries in terms of broadcasters.

457
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Speaker 8: You know, Don Cherry was certainly John Madden, he was

458
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Speaker 8: in that kind of a level. And Barry I get

459
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Speaker 8: emails all the time. I grew up with the game

460
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Speaker 8: in America with Barry Melrose, and both of them went

461
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Speaker 8: from junior hockey to professional hockey, to coaching to broadcasting,

462
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Speaker 8: literally gave their life to the game and to the sports.

463
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Speaker 8: And it seems just an easy sentence to get people

464
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Speaker 8: like that, or even great hosts like Aron McLain from

465
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Speaker 8: Hockey Night in Canada and all the ones they have

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Speaker 8: up there. And eventually, as as the careers of somebody's

467
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Speaker 8: American analysts and broadcasters, you know Adie Olschuk and and

468
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Speaker 8: you know Ray Ferraro, there's there's no place for them.

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Speaker 8: And it seems like an easy ad. Yeah, I just

470
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Speaker 8: think contributions to the game. Other sports have that pro

471
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Speaker 8: football hands contributions to the game, and maybe you could

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Speaker 8: put it under that umbrella.

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Speaker 2: But I agree, how is Berry going?

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Speaker 8: You know, you don't get better from Parkinson's, Dan, You know,

475
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Speaker 8: thankfully some people are curative cancer, but you don't get

476
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Speaker 8: cured of als or Parkinson's or dementia. So he's living

477
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Speaker 8: in Oxford, Ohio. That's where he met his wife, Cindy,

478
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Speaker 8: when he turned pro and played for the Cincinnati Stingers.

479
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Speaker 8: She was a cheerleader on the team. She grew up

480
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Speaker 8: in Oxford, rural Oxford, where Miami University is located, and

481
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Speaker 8: they decided to move there from Florida to there where

482
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Speaker 8: they had been living, to get some support. Her family

483
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 8: is still there. It's difficult, But Barry's watching the games.

484
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Speaker 8: I texted Cydey Melrose yesterday and said, can you get

485
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Speaker 8: me a Berry prediction for the for the finals? And

486
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Speaker 8: of course, in true Barry fashion, every year it was

487
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Speaker 8: somebody in six. He never said five, never said seven.

488
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Speaker 8: So Barry's got the oilers in six, Dan, what do

489
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Speaker 8: you have? I have the oilers in seven? Thinking, I'm

490
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Speaker 8: sure they're thinking, we fell to this team three to

491
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Speaker 8: oh last year and almost won four games in a row.

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Speaker 8: We're better this year. We have home ice this year.

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Speaker 8: We're gonna get off to a better start this year.

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Speaker 8: We're gonna treat one game one tonight like game seven,

495
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Speaker 8: because you want to play ahead. You don't want to

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Speaker 8: be down oh one to Pedro Martinez.

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Speaker 2: If you have a.

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Speaker 8: Chance, you want to be up one to oh. And

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Speaker 8: they're probably they're the underdog by a smidch, but they

500
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Speaker 8: have the greatest player of their generation. They have another

501
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Speaker 8: great Hall of Famer to be in Leon Dreisidle. They

502
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Speaker 8: have a little more depth. The Zach Hyman injury hurts,

503
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Speaker 8: but overall they're so good on home ice. They have

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Speaker 8: the best player. And as we know Dan, when their

505
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Speaker 8: backs are kind of up against a cliff, up against

506
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Speaker 8: an ocean, and an army never fights harder than when

507
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Speaker 8: their backs up against a cliff or an ocean. This

508
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Speaker 8: team is gonna get in the cap hell fast. They

509
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Speaker 8: have no young players coming. It's almost a do or

510
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Speaker 8: die year. Dry Settle gets a five million dollar raise.

511
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 8: Bouchard gets a five million dollar raise. Next year, McDavid's

512
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Speaker 8: gonna need about an eight million dollar raise after next

513
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Speaker 8: year he's a UFA. This will be the summer of

514
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Speaker 8: his extension. So they sense that, I think, And that's

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Speaker 8: why even though Florida is the best complete team, and

516
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Speaker 8: maybe they're constructed as the perfect team and maybe they're

517
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Speaker 8: gonna win, but I just don't think from a they

518
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Speaker 8: don't quite have that desperation that that Edmonton has. You

519
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 8: can't manufacture then. But also you're carrying the country too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a long long time and I don't

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Speaker 2: think we can overstate the pressure that goes with carring.

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Speaker 2: Not everybody's rooting for Edmonton, I'm sure, as in other

523
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Speaker 2: provinces which you want Canada to bring home the Cup.

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Speaker 8: The last time they won it, Barry Melrose was the

525
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Speaker 8: other coach to bring it back to Barring nineteen ninety three.

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Speaker 8: So you're right, that's a good point. It's been thirty

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Speaker 8: two years, and you're right, it's not quite Toronto or

528
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Speaker 8: Montreal doing it because obviously the big metropolitan areas that

529
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Speaker 8: they're from, and you maybe feel it more like the

530
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Speaker 8: Cubs Red Sox ending their droughts. But still I think

531
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Speaker 8: Canada would come together McDavid scored the overtime winner in

532
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Speaker 8: the Four Nations Otherwise it would have been an amazing

533
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Speaker 8: year for USA Hockey. World Junior just won the World

534
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Speaker 8: Championship for the first time really, so that was a

535
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Speaker 8: big moment for McDavid to win that. That was his

536
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Speaker 8: first best on best, so he hasn't won a trophy,

537
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Speaker 8: a team trophy before that. So since he was like sixteen,

538
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Speaker 8: the guy, you know, it's just going back to junior

539
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Speaker 8: for the eerie otters, so it's time for him to win.

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Speaker 8: You look at every great iconic NHL player, Dan, I

541
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Speaker 8: looked at the top twenty scores last night. Only three

542
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Speaker 8: don't have a cup.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 8: Marcel Dion, great player. You guys are all great players,

545
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Speaker 8: but not quite that iconic player. Joe Thornton, Adam Oates,

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Speaker 8: all the others they got it, doesn't It's not there's

547
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Speaker 8: no or any Banks in the NHL, you know, No

548
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 8: Dan Marino, they get it. But he's twenty eight, about

549
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 8: to turn twenty nine, and it's only going to get harder,

550
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Speaker 8: like I said at Edmonton, So there is a bit

551
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Speaker 8: of a fun sports story desperation to it for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I was going to bring that up that

553
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Speaker 2: in the NBA and other sports, certainly quarterbacks, when are

554
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Speaker 2: you gonna win your title? You get to a certain

555
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Speaker 2: point like Luka Doncik he's there. Yeah, Joker was there,

556
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Speaker 2: he won a title. Giannis was there, he won a title.

557
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: Embiid got an MVP. He's not going to win a title.

558
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Speaker 2: Jason Tatum won a title. Once you win the title,

559
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Speaker 2: then we move on to the next guy. It's like, right,

560
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Speaker 2: Colin Montgomery, you know, the best player to never win

561
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Speaker 2: a major. Yeah, you know, we keep waiting for these guys.

562
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Speaker 2: And I wondered with you know, everybody says Connor McDavid's

563
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Speaker 2: best player in the world. Well, the best players in

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Speaker 2: the world win championships.

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Speaker 8: Exactly, and he might go down as the greatest healent

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Speaker 8: ever and so that again, it just doesn't happen in

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Speaker 8: the sport. There were six teams for then there were twelve,

568
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Speaker 8: then there were sixteen. So people got around, they got

569
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Speaker 8: their championship. But for him to be the greatest player

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Speaker 8: in his sport, the most talented, that would be something.

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Speaker 8: So it's something to keep.

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Speaker 3: An eye on.

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Speaker 2: John Butcher Graz ESPN Hockey play by play and host

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Speaker 2: a sports center anchor. You've been there since what ninety six?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, October twenty eighth, nineteen ninety six. We did one

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Speaker 8: sports center together. I know you don't remember it, but

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Speaker 8: I do. It was a six o'clock sports center. I

578
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Speaker 8: was probably nervous doing three sports centers in my life.

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Speaker 2: My first, which.

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Speaker 8: Was was Stuart Scott Grammy Night, nineteen ninety seven. I'll

581
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Speaker 8: never forget it. So my love of music, it's kind

582
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Speaker 8: of cool with fall. It fell on that date and

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Speaker 8: I did a six o'clock with you, and I can't

584
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Speaker 8: even think of the third time.

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Speaker 2: I was nervous, but that was a big deal to me.

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Speaker 2: I've told this story. You were there playing basketball with us, yes,

587
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Speaker 2: when we had these SportsCenter anchors, ESPN News anchors, and

588
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Speaker 2: we're all playing in a place called the Canton, Connecticut,

589
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Speaker 2: the YMCA, and these guys were trying to get me

590
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Speaker 2: to go out forever and play, and I said, nope, nope,

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Speaker 2: I didn't you know, if you let me run up

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Speaker 2: and down and sweat a little bit, I don't want

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Speaker 2: somebody picking me up full court. So what happens, Yep,

594
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Speaker 2: Stuart Scott picks me up full court to start the

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Speaker 2: game mm hmm. And it didn't go well after that,

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Speaker 2: because then it got worse.

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Speaker 8: It did. It got really cleared. I remember this like

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Speaker 8: it was yesterday. I'm like thirty one years old. I

599
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Speaker 8: just got there week. We played our pickup. I had

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Speaker 8: Steve Berthume. I was smart.

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Speaker 2: I knew who to guard.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to check berth you.

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Speaker 2: Say, allowed him, my little friend.

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Speaker 8: And so we cleared the court and then you and

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Speaker 8: Stuart proceeded to play one on one. It is the

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Speaker 8: most violent one on one situation I've ever seen on.

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Speaker 2: A basketball court.

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Speaker 8: It was Stuart wanted it more than you, Dan. He

609
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Speaker 8: did obviously, he was bodying me forearm and then I

610
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Speaker 8: finally it was I talked to Jason Jackson about this occasion.

611
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Speaker 8: He laughs because he said, people don't believe me when

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Speaker 8: I tell that story. And I said to Stuart, I

613
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 8: looked him right in the eye, and I said, where

614
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 8: do you want me to bleep and score on you?

615
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 8: I'm dribbling with my left hand, and I was so

616
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Speaker 8: I like, God, this is the last thing I wanted

617
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Speaker 8: to do, exactly be competitive with all of the other

618
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Speaker 8: co anchors there and turn an ankle. Then you can't golf.

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Speaker 8: That was my reason why I retire. I don't want

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Speaker 8: to turn an ankle and not be able to golf.

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Speaker 2: Well, Stuart undercut me, yes, and I ended up going

622
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Speaker 2: to the emergency room for a chip vertebrae. I still

623
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Speaker 2: had to do Sports Center that night. Yes, always and

624
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: by never apologize never never. It was a flagrant too.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe how competitive we were. Man, that's like

626
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Speaker 2: a different person. I'm just not that person anymore. It's

627
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Speaker 2: it was sad. It was sad. It was I was like,

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Speaker 2: what am I doing? I'm better than this? What are

629
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Speaker 2: we doing? I'm going against Chuck Garfine, I mean, what

630
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: am I doing? I'm better than this? Right, I'm better

631
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Speaker 2: than Yeah, take Dave ressin to his last I'm gonna

632
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Speaker 2: lock up Repson. I am rever. Great to talk to you, John.

633
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Speaker 2: I hope you're doing well. I hope you have a

634
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Speaker 2: great series. Shut out Morango.

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Speaker 8: My buddy goodie watching high school basketball teammate, loves Dan Patrick.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Bud.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

639
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: WAP let's bring back Robert or let's see if that

641
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: connection is a little bit better. All right. Your reaction

642
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: when you heard that the Knicks had fired Tom Thibodeau, I.

643
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Speaker 9: Was shocked because if you look at what Tom Thibodeau has.

644
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Speaker 10: Done for that team, getting him back to the Eastern

645
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Speaker 10: Conference finals, having a lot of things that are go

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Speaker 10: on with that team, and for them to fire him

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Speaker 10: with such a man up to get into the East compuse,

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Speaker 10: I was just shocked because if you really think about it,

649
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Speaker 10: and if you look at the rossa of the Knicks,

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Speaker 10: they overachieved me.

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Speaker 3: You know they were over achieved.

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Speaker 9: They got a lot of guys that role players playing

653
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Speaker 9: very well in Thibodeau's systems, So I think that's one

654
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Speaker 9: of the things you have to look at. And sometimes

655
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 9: people get confused. So we just beat the NBA champions, Yeah,

656
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 9: you beat them, but you still got other teams that

657
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 9: can play and the paces. Let's be honest, they've coached

658
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 9: very well and they playing better than anybody.

659
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: So I think they should have ran it back.

660
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 9: But it's gonna be hard to find someone to come

661
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 9: in and and and step in his shoes.

662
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: Though, do you have to like your head coach.

663
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: I've never liked any of my head coach No.

664
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 9: Actually, you know, it's so weird that a lot of

665
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 9: people think you have to like your head coaches. I said,

666
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 9: as long as the coach is doing a good job,

667
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 9: I don't think you have to like him. But I

668
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 9: think that has to have some type of respect there.

669
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 9: And if they player, if the coach doesn't respect the players,

670
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 9: I don't think the players are gonna respect the coach.

671
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 9: And I think with this day and age, the way

672
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 9: players and coaches communicate, you know, you should step up

673
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 9: and and have that opportunity to say, yo, coach, I don't

674
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 9: you know, this is how I feel about certain situations.

675
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 9: And I don't know anything about any of those players

676
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 9: that they had. I don't know if anybody has the

677
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 9: you know, the man, I won't say the balls to

678
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 9: step in and say, yo, tip, you know we're playing

679
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 9: too many minutes of this and if tims will listening.

680
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 9: But I think most of the time I make all

681
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 9: that fall on the assistant coaches, because assistant coaches are

682
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 9: the ones that need to step in and grab the

683
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 9: head coach by the ear and make them listen to them.

684
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 9: Because the assistant coaches are closer to the players than

685
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 9: the coaches to the players.

686
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: Did you like Phil Johnson?

687
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 9: I love Phil Jackson, I loved I actually loved all

688
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 9: my coaches love. I love Rudy first, then Pop and

689
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 9: Field was second.

690
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: But Pop likes to yell.

691
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

692
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, So here's a funny story about Pop never yelled

693
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 9: at me. He yelled at me once and everybody looked

694
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 9: at him. He was like, oh, I Don'm not supposed

695
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 9: to yell at Rober Okay, I.

696
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: Forgot Why is he not allowed to yell at you?

697
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 9: For some odd reason, there was a rumor going around

698
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 9: that you cannot yell at me. You yell at me,

699
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 9: you lose me, which is not true because you got

700
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 9: to think about my high coach was a yeller. Sanderson

701
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 9: was definitely a yeller. And so I'm like, I don't

702
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 9: mind yelling. I might tune you out, but you can

703
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 9: yell at me.

704
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: You never wanted to fight a coach though.

705
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 9: No, you know that's my that's my former college teammates.

706
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 9: Free well, I never did anything like that, you know.

707
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 9: You know, here's the thing about you know, in coaches,

708
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 9: I think I've always been and ever get into it.

709
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 9: No man, you know, I'm the greatest guy ever. Man,

710
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 9: everybody loves me. Man, help the teammate. I think about this.

711
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 9: I sacrificed more than any player in the world for

712
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 9: his team to win. Even in college. I let Spree

713
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 9: and James do that thing, and I got to you know,

714
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 9: I got to the Rockets. I let Dream do his

715
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 9: thing and get to Lakes Covi. Shat do you a

716
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 9: thing I sacrificed for you, guys, because at the end

717
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 9: of the day, it's about winning.

718
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: It's about winning.

719
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: How many plays were run specifically for you in your career.

720
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 9: I only had plays run for me when I was

721
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 9: with the Rockets once I got to know you know,

722
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 9: I think it was one time when I was in

723
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 9: the Lakers uniform I had plays ran from that was

724
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 9: when I set a record for most threes made corsectly

725
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,959
Speaker 9: in the game and I was hot, so he rans

726
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 9: some plays for me then and I was ran by

727
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 9: I think Dale Harris was the coach then maybe, yeah,

728
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 9: that's the only time in the last time. You know,

729
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 9: Pop never ran plays for me, even when I was

730
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 9: hot in two thousand and five in that finals, he

731
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 9: didn't run.

732
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: Place with me.

733
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 9: Then I'm like hey, because I'm you know, I'm the

734
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 9: other sacrifice man. You know, the most important thing is winning,

735
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 9: and I never cared about my stats. It's about getting

736
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 9: that dub.

737
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: How upset was a team When David Robinson won the

738
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: league MVP, he.

739
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 9: Was beyond upset, you know. And it's weird because Dream

740
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 9: is not a big talker. And when he said that's

741
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 9: my trophy, you know, back then, and he came out

742
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 9: and pulled out some moves on David Robinson I've never

743
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 9: seen before.

744
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: It was amazing, that Dream shake.

745
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 9: You know, you think about the footwork and his ability

746
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 9: to get guys to be in a popcorn machine and

747
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 9: get them off their feet. He was just fantastic. You know,

748
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 9: one of the greatest players I ever played with.

749
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: Didn't he smack uh Vernon? Maxwell? Did he smack Vernon?

750
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 9: Do you know that happened a year before I got out? Okay,

751
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 9: you know, I'm that calm that comes in and calms

752
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 9: everybody down so there's no smacking of people.

753
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: Then would Kobe be able to play? And obviously with

754
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: the talent, but you know, he was kind of a

755
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 2: bully like you had, like Michael Jordan, like you got

756
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 2: to keep up with me. Would that work in today's

757
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: NBA with these players.

758
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 9: I think it would because you think about if you

759
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 9: come to a team and this is how it's done,

760
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 9: you kind of fall into that mold and the culture.

761
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 9: You know, you might have a couple of guys that

762
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 9: might not fall in line, but if you winning, you

763
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 9: know that's the bottom line, you know, And you think

764
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 9: about you look at all the cultures that you have

765
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 9: that are created on each team. You think about the

766
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 9: OKAC culture, how they're like, oh, we're gonna have each

767
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 9: other's back regardless. You think about the Indiana's culture we're

768
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 9: gonna play team nobody's bigger than the ABC A D.

769
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 9: And you think about the culture in New York or

770
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 9: so this is it is on these six guys are

771
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 9: going to play and that's it. I think you become

772
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 9: you adapt to it. And I think a lot of guys,

773
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 9: when you come into organization that let you be a

774
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 9: little bit more free, that's when you're not able to

775
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 9: adapt because this is all you know. You have blinders

776
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 9: on and say, oh, this is we didn't do this here,

777
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 9: we didn't do this there. So I think they'd be fine,

778
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 9: especially when you're Kobe, you know he's a leader. He's

779
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 9: gonna make you, you know, follow follow tosa. I think

780
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 9: he'd been fine.

781
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: You think he could have could have gotten a hundred

782
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: points in again.

783
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 9: No, No, I think eighty one was just stretching on

784
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 9: a hundred points because it gets to a point where

785
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 9: you know, you gotta miss some shocks and guys get jealous,

786
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 9: like yo, man, I know you scoring them, but let

787
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 9: me get some love too.

788
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 3: But I don't.

789
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 9: I don't think he would have been if it went

790
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 9: into overtime. He probably could have.

791
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you don't want to interrupt his flow. If

792
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 2: you if he's got like seventy something, you don't go, hey,

793
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: come on, how about I get a shot or something?

794
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: What?

795
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 9: No, but after a while, you think, if I'm the coach,

796
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 9: that's the historical thing that's about to happen.

797
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: Right, it ain't happening on my watch.

798
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 9: We're gonna triple team him as soon as he You're

799
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 9: gonna have some guy face guard him, don't let him

800
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 9: cat So you you know, thinking nobody ever wants to

801
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 9: have a historical mark like that selling them because you

802
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 9: can in a trivia question, who was the head coach?

803
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, allow Kobe Bryant to have one hundred points.

804
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, Robert or a Lakers analyst for Spectrum Sportsnet,

805
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 2: seven time NBA champ, all right, what would you do

806
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: if you're the Lakers in the off season. What's the

807
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: one thing that has to happen.

808
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 3: They?

809
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 9: Of course, they gotta get some size. I think that's

810
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 9: the biggest key that I gotta get some size. And

811
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 9: then they gotta get you know, some people behind that

812
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 9: bench to grab JJ and say, Yo, this ain't working.

813
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 9: And I think a lot of times we look at

814
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 9: the head coach and we blame him for some things,

815
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 9: and we blame the players the teams, but I blame

816
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 9: I always blame the assistant coaches because assistant coaches need

817
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 9: to have the coaches here and they see things that

818
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 9: the head coach don't see sometimes and like, Yo, this

819
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 9: ain't working. We needn't need to do this and that.

820
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 9: And I think that's the main key. You know, I

821
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 9: love the coaching staff that they have, but it's JJ

822
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 9: willing to, you know, listen to his staff and trust

823
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 9: his staff, because sometimes when you come in as a

824
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 9: new coach, you say, oh it's God, I got to

825
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 9: do it my way. I gotta do it this way

826
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 9: because I'm the head coach.

827
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: I need to do this.

828
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 9: And I think sometimes it takes a village, you know,

829
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 9: instead of you know, a guy saying, Oh, I need

830
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 9: to do this way because my head is on the line.

831
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but how should Luca take that? Hey, you're fat,

832
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 2: you're overweight. And people now say this openly as opposed

833
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: to maybe somebody said it to him privately. And I

834
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: don't know him, but I don't know. I don't know

835
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: what would motivate him because it feels like people are

836
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: embarrassing him by saying this.

837
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, and it's so weird that people talk about his weight,

838
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 9: but yet he's still giving people thirty points. I don't

839
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 9: I tell people I don't care about his weight. You

840
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 9: need to get him in a gym, teach him how

841
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 9: to play defense.

842
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: You know.

843
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 9: That's the thing, because you can give someone forty points,

844
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 9: but if you're giving up thirty five on the other end,

845
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 9: those forty points don't mean anything.

846
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: Wait, you think that you could make Luca a good

847
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: defensive player.

848
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 9: Yes, you can, you know, because it's about wanting to.

849
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 9: You know, He's never had to because he's always had

850
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 9: people behind him. Near racist mistakes you think about now,

851
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 9: there was no ad, no center, nobody, racist mistakes in

852
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 9: LA he getting blown by, you know.

853
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 3: They getting layups. Yeah.

854
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 9: You know, if you if you watch stretches of games

855
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 9: where Luca's just stayed in front because he's a big body.

856
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 9: He the defenders that I mean, the offenser puayers are

857
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 9: bouncing off him. Just stay in front, and I think

858
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 9: that is the key. And I think also he needs

859
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 9: to want to play defense because so many times he

860
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 9: saves his energy for the offensive end. I tell people

861
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 9: all that if you can move your feet and get

862
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 9: past and blow by people, that means you have some

863
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 9: fast twitch muscles. You can move pretty fast, so there's

864
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 9: no reason you cannot play better defense. On the other

865
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 9: it's just you just gotta want to.

866
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 3: And I don't think.

867
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 9: I think a lot of times he doesn't want to.

868
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 9: He rather just point.

869
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: Okay.

870
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: That means that you think Karl Anthony Towns could be

871
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: an inadequate defender.

872
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 9: I think with Carl, you know, people always talk about

873
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 9: lucas in shape. You know, if you look at car

874
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Speaker 9: and I think he could get in better shape. You know,

875
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Speaker 9: he's very top heavy, and I think he could get

876
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Speaker 9: in better shape and he can, you know, even though

877
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Speaker 9: he has some big dogs anywhere, it's like what size

878
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 9: twenty one shoe? But I think he can move his

879
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 9: feet because if you watch him offensive, he can move fast.

880
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Speaker 3: You just gotta want to.

881
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Speaker 9: And Carl Anthon's problem is his problem is he does

882
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 9: a lot of silly files.

883
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he had and he you.

884
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 9: Know, when he sets the screen, he's he puts his

885
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 9: hip out and things like that. He just has to

886
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 9: learn how to curtail those files and be more streamlined

887
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 9: with his movements and just be smarter. So I think

888
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Speaker 9: he'll be fine defensively.

889
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Speaker 2: Okay, she's style, Yeah, like they lead with defense.

890
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Speaker 3: Yes.

891
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: Do you believe the defense still wins championships in the NBA?

892
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: Of course?

893
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Speaker 9: And the thing why if OKC wins this is gonna

894
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 9: you know Negate all those people who go out and like, oh,

895
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 9: threes are the way to win. That's not Shake Gives's game.

896
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 9: He will do it three every nine and then. But

897
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 9: it's about getting buckets, and Shake Gibbs knows how to

898
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 9: get buckets. That's either from the mid range or from

899
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Speaker 9: the free throw out. But on the flip side of

900
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Speaker 9: you think about what Hartenstein and Caruso and to me,

901
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 9: one of the best defensive players in the game. Lou

902
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 9: Dork are doing for that team is amazing. And and

903
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 9: if you go back at the history of the NBA,

904
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Speaker 9: even you go back to the Splash Brothers and the

905
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 9: way they shot threes, they were top five defensively, and

906
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 9: so people sometimes forget, like, oh, they get mesmerized by

907
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 9: the offense.

908
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Speaker 3: But these teams are also good defensively.

909
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 9: And they can lock you down, you know, the Jalen Williams,

910
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 9: they're very good.

911
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 3: And if you look at this.

912
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Speaker 9: Team, there's usually somebody on the team that's, you know,

913
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Speaker 9: bad defensively.

914
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Speaker 3: There's no one. Okay, see it's bad defensively.

915
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Speaker 2: What are the posters behind you over your right shoulder?

916
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 9: Those are posters of I had a guy that did

917
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 9: He did a painting of every championship I have. And

918
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 9: what it is is it's a moment from each game.

919
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Speaker 3: I kind of I so, I kind of it's kind

920
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Speaker 3: of old my eyes.

921
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Speaker 2: To me, I thought it was other players you played against.

922
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Speaker 2: Those are those are all you? Okay?

923
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 9: It's two Rockets, three Lakers, and two Spurs, And it's

924
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 9: like it's a three point shot and each one has

925
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Speaker 9: a part of I can walk over there, let you

926
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Speaker 9: see him if you like.

927
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Speaker 2: But so if you can, I know you've got time

928
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Speaker 2: constraints here. So all right.

929
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Speaker 9: Yeah, so it's kind of I got a guy named

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00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 9: Opie Otis Dad. I've been known for like since I

931
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Speaker 9: got in the NBA. So it's just like Knicks Finals,

932
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Speaker 9: Orlando's Finals, Pacers Finals of course, Sixers, New Jersey Pistons,

933
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Speaker 9: and in Cleveland, and each one has like the most

934
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Speaker 9: famous shot I made against Lakers. He does this thing

935
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Speaker 9: called ghosting where you can put like a little ghosting

936
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Speaker 9: thing in it.

937
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Speaker 2: So it's just me, Hey, you earned it. I like

938
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Speaker 2: you lost track of one of the matchups there. You've

939
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Speaker 2: won so many championships, like oh, New Jersey, Yeah that

940
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: was New Jersey.

941
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Speaker 9: You always forget about the people you sweep, Like you

942
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 9: know that team that had Penny and Shock.

943
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Speaker 3: I forget the name of that team.

944
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Speaker 2: Wow. Great to talk to you again. It's always Robert.

945
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Speaker 3: Great to talk to YouTube.

946
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Speaker 4: Man.

947
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Speaker 3: I appreciate you

948
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Speaker 2: Man, that's Robert ri