1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: Come On, Come on, pick up? 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 3: Is anyone there? Listen? 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 2: We broke out of resort jail. 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 3: It wasn't easy. 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: I'm not sure that pool. 7 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 3: Noodles are supposed to. 8 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 2: Be stretched lengthwise like that. And Zaren found out that 9 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: if he coats himself in bacon grease, he can slip 10 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: through just about any tight spot. He got chased by 11 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: a pack of loose emotional support dogs. Put a quick 12 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: dip in the hot tub, clean them right up. We 13 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: also learned that carjacking and airport shuttle is way easier 14 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: than we expected. Good life pro tip there. Anyway, we 15 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: headed down the highway with resort security and hot pursuit. 16 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 2: Some golf carts gave him the slip and pulled the 17 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: airport shuttle. 18 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 3: Into an abandoned barn. 19 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: This is so cool, like Smoky in the Bandit action 20 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 2: enough of that we need to hide out here until 21 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: it cools down so we won't be in today to record. 22 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: Since we're all about that jail break life, now, can 23 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: you run a classic prison escape episode? It's maybe something 24 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: I'll all say. Keep it. 25 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 4: Hey, Elizabeth Dutton, you know it's. 26 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 3: Ridiculous uh yeah, that the dessert called the peach enchilada 27 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 3: does not contain tortillas, but does contain mountain dew. 28 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 4: WHOA, my mind just leaked out of my ear like 29 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 4: warm mountain dew. Yep, that is ridiculous, But I was 30 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 4: thinking of something else. I was thinking of breaking out 31 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 4: of a French prison in a helicopter. 32 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 3: Okay, that's that is definitely ridiculous. 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 4: This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, 34 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 4: heists and cons. It's always ninety murder free and one ridiculous. Okay, 35 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 4: this story takes place overseas in a French prison. Well, 36 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 4: you know, some of the French prisons were over here, 37 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 4: but this one is actually in France. Oh now picture it. 38 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 4: It's a quiet Sunday morning in the tiny town of 39 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 4: Fontaine Tresagner in rural France. A helicopter instructor awaits three 40 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 4: new students at a small flying club. But when his 41 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 4: students arrive, they're actually a trio of well armed commandos 42 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 4: who have AK forty sevens, and they demand the flight 43 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 4: instructor fly them to the Center Penitentiae. Soothe Francillellen. It's 44 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 4: a French prison in nearby Roux or rou Or Roue. Yeah, 45 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 4: it's close in another town with r ea U. Now, 46 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 4: thanks to months of drone surveillance, these commandos know that 47 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 4: there is one spot in this French prison that is 48 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 4: not covered by helicopter netting. So of course this is 49 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 4: the one spot where they land their helicopter and boom. 50 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 4: The masked men dressed all in black, arrive at the 51 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 4: prison around eleven twenty in the morning local time, and 52 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 4: two commandos hop out of the hijack chopper. They carry 53 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 4: with them the aforementioned AK forty seven assault rifles, the 54 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 4: classic and the Insurrectionist, Terrorist and Military adjacent Community the 55 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 4: preferred gun because it doesn't get stuck when you have mud. 56 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 4: But they're going to a French prison. Mud isn't their concern. 57 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 4: They just need to be able to pop off and 58 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 4: scare some folks, so they set off some smoke bombs. 59 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 4: They use a handheld cement grinder and they use that 60 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 4: to cut through the heavy prison doors. Now, one commando, 61 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 4: of course, stays behind with the helicopter because you don't 62 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 4: want that pilot taking off and leaving all of them 63 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 4: in the French prison. So the two commandos work their 64 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 4: way through the prison and they make it to the 65 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 4: visitor's room. Why the visitor's room, because that's where the 66 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 4: masterminded the escape is waiting for them or Adon fighted 67 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 4: my man. Now Fid and his commandos all gather up 68 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 4: and return to the hijacked helicopter and they fly to 69 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 4: go Esse or Gonoce. 70 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: Goodness, there you go. 71 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 4: That one a suburb of Paris or Peerie. It's about 72 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 4: twenty five miles northeast of the city, right, So the 73 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 4: commandos they hop out in this town, what you said, 74 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 4: and they set the pilot free, and then they torch 75 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 4: the helicopter. They burn it. Well, no, this is not 76 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 4: that bad. I mean, it's bad for the guy owns 77 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 4: a helicops wasteful. It is wasteful, Darling's that's very true. 78 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 4: But then they flee the torch helicopter in a black Renault. 79 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 4: They make the clean getaway on the old A four 80 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 4: like it's like basically a freeway in France and has 81 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 4: like you know, roundabouts and stuff. Anyway, they tear off 82 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 4: and they disappear. Next they go and they meet up 83 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 4: with where they have a new car so they can 84 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 4: swap cars. And then this one. Just like with the helicopter, 85 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 4: they torch the Reinault and then they hop into a 86 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 4: white utility van that they have parked in a shopping 87 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 4: mall in all Ni soubois another Parisian suburb. Anyway, the 88 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 4: eyewitnesses spot Rudon Fayid and his team of commandos as 89 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 4: they hop into the white utility van. And this, you know, 90 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 4: in Paris, there's plenty of white utility vans, just like 91 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 4: how there are plenty of white pit cup trucks here 92 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 4: like it's a work vehicle, right, So this is not 93 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 4: going to catch anyone's attention. And just like that, the 94 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 4: forty six year old international thief bank robber par Excellence disappears, 95 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 4: having escaped from a French prison in a helicopter, then 96 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 4: a Renault and then obviously a white van. But this, 97 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 4: mind you, is not the first time Radon Fayid has 98 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 4: escaped from a French prison. 99 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 3: Oh it's not. 100 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 4: No, this guy, I want you to be able to 101 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 4: picture him the man. He's not a hardened criminal the 102 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 4: way you might picture an American criminal. This is not 103 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 4: somebody who has come up in the mean streets and 104 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 4: this is his only choice. He chooses crime. He did 105 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 4: come up in a tough neighborhood in a suburb of 106 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 4: France and the town of Creele. It's mostly an immigrant community. 107 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,679 Speaker 4: He is a son of immigrants. But at the same 108 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 4: time he chooses to be a criminal. He has the 109 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 4: talents to have been able to be most anything he 110 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 4: wanted to be with obviously a lot of hard work 111 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 4: and some luck. But Radon Faid chooses crime. He wants 112 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 4: to be a mastermind criminal. His first hero is this guy, 113 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 4: Jacques Messrine, a big time local criminal of the slums 114 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 4: in seventies Paris. That's where his imagination starts. 115 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: So he opts into this. 116 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 4: He wants this. He not only wants it, he basically 117 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 4: wants to become more famous than the big slum criminal 118 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 4: that and when he grew up ran his town. Sure, 119 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 4: He's like, I can pass that guy. 120 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: No sweat, He's way cooler. He's like, I'm way cooler 121 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: than this guy. 122 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 4: I'm a boss, cooler than this guy. 123 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 3: A seventies Paris suburb criminal like mastermind though like a 124 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 3: guy like a mob boss from the sounds kind of cool, right. 125 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 4: We have like small time criminals like Carlosa Jackal independent 126 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 4: people being able to pull off huge international crimes. So 127 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 4: the imagination of criminals has changed in the seventies. 128 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 3: Well, and they're all walking around in like loafers and 129 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: bell bottomed sands, a belt, pants, like polyester and like 130 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: slightly feathered hair exactly, grimaces and like you know, tinted glasses, 131 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: yellow tinted glasses. 132 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 4: Very sensible, turtlenecks. 133 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: Hush, that's what That's what makes the whole thing, that's 134 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: what makes them so menacing is their fashion choices. 135 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: Exactly, a leather jacket and a turtleneck. Oh wow, criminal, 136 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 4: it's just I mean, like formal wear. Criminal. 137 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 3: I just turned my pocketbook over to them. 138 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 4: Take take it, okay, So radon't fight. He's got his 139 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 4: mastermind hero Jacques's mess Riene right, and he's like, I 140 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 4: can beat this guy. So he goes, now, how can 141 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,679 Speaker 4: I train to become a bigger mastermind criminal? What would 142 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 4: you look to if you wanted to become a better criminal? 143 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: Could you get books in the library the Yeah, I 144 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: mean it's not really criminality for dummies? 145 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 4: Criminal? How to rob a bank for dummies? 146 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 3: Criminality poor led dummies. 147 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 4: No, but there is something called Hollywood, which is exactly 148 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 4: that totally is so. Hollywood is just making all kinds 149 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 4: of criminal movies. And during the seventies you have like 150 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 4: a Heyday of crime movies. So and then also in 151 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 4: the eighties when Radlon Fayid is a young man, when 152 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 4: he's a teenager, as he's coming into his own he 153 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 4: has particular the films of Michael Mann. He loves Michael 154 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 4: Mann and if you're not familiar, Michael Manners the director 155 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 4: who did Heat which has one of the most epic 156 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 4: gunfights ever by bank robbers, and that's the type of 157 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 4: crime Radl Fayid has his mind set on. But there 158 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 4: is one big difference. He's not a violent criminal. He 159 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 4: doesn't want to hurt people. He not only doesn't want 160 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 4: to hurt people, he ensures he never hurts people. Now, 161 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 4: this just sets him apart for most of the criminals 162 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 4: of his day because it's easier to get away with 163 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 4: a crime if you have no witnesses. It's easy year 164 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 4: to get away with a large heist if you have 165 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 4: killed the bank manager. Right, He's like no. Now, there's 166 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 4: a couple of reasons why this is. Even though he 167 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 4: is France's pre eminent hold up man bank robber like 168 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 4: like he is the guy. By the early nineties he 169 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 4: has established himself, but mostly it's because he has people 170 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 4: left behind to tell the stories of his crimes. Oh 171 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 4: legend exactly. So the non violence gambit works for him 172 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 4: for years, because one he doesn't have victims to go 173 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 4: to the police insisting to get justice for their murdered brother, father, son, wife, 174 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 4: what have you. Instead, you have people who are thankful 175 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 4: that this folk hero bandit has left them alive and 176 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 4: now they have an interesting story to tell. If anything, 177 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 4: he kind of gifts them with something that makes them special, 178 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 4: and everybody retells these stories, and the legend of Ridon 179 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 4: Faid's spreads well. 180 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: And he's sticking up banks, right, So it's not like 181 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: he's robbing people's homes. 182 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 4: He's not breaking he's going into jewelry shops. He's like 183 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 4: picking up the bank deposit trucks. He's robbing banks. He's 184 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 4: going to the people that have been basically not necessarily 185 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 4: exploiting the French people explicitly, but who the French people 186 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 4: feel they have been exploited by. So they're on the 187 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 4: side of Radon Faid, this criminal and the French in 188 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 4: particular they like their criminals, they like gangsters. They are 189 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 4: particular much like Americans fans of the gangster film. So 190 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 4: Radon Faid starts giving them a taste of it in 191 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 4: the real life and they come to love him. But 192 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 4: the fact that all of his heroes are actual bank 193 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 4: robbers from movies gives him a leg up in terms 194 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 4: of his legend. So he becomes a dedicated student of 195 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 4: Michael Mann. Michael Mann is his criminal bible, right, It's 196 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 4: basically the Willie Dixon to his led Zeppelin fo right. 197 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 4: So he's like explaining like how his criminal mind works, 198 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 4: and Faid tries to give some journalists and insights. So 199 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 4: I'm going to quote Radon fayid here forgive my French accent. 200 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 4: Recently journalists asked me, you know you had a big 201 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 4: criminal career and you did it yourself. You are self, 202 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 4: thought I told him, No, I had the technical advisor, 203 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 4: a college teacher, a kind of mentor, and his name 204 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 4: is Michael Mann. 205 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 3: I didn't know that robbed banks. 206 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 4: Yes he did. When he's not harassing kittens, he's robbing 207 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 4: banks and giving me my voice. So Faid finnagels his 208 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 4: way into a screening when Michael Mann is doing it 209 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 4: that Johnny Depp movie Public Enemies, so Public Enemies comes out. 210 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: Johnny Depp is, you know, not over there. Michael Mann 211 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 4: is over there in France and he's doing like a 212 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 4: Q and a Radon Fay says, I got to talk 213 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 4: to my master. He sneaks in and pretends to be 214 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 4: like a film reviewer, a film student, and then he 215 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 4: like raises his hand and he's like, Michael Mann calls 216 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: on him and Radaul Feide stands up in this room 217 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 4: full of pretentious French cinophiles and he says, he's romance, 218 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 4: absolute example of organized crime. Inspired by life, by people, 219 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 4: real facts. He tries to transmit them in his cinema. 220 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 4: I personally, I am a former gangster. Unfortunately I do 221 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 4: not brag about it. I just spent ten years in prison. 222 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 4: I attacked Armored Vance. For twenty years I have known 223 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 4: Michael Mann. I discovered him with thief and with a 224 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 4: bunch of friends. We've watched his films as a bit, 225 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 4: as news reports, as documentaries. And now Michael Mann is 226 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 4: listening to this crazy phantom, the one he's been in 227 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 4: prison for being a real robber, and he's inspired by 228 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 4: Michael Mann, and Michael Man's like, uh, thank you for that. 229 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 4: I don't know how to respond because it was. 230 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: This isn't so much a question but a comment. 231 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 4: It's the classic one. 232 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 3: He gets up and tabs my first time caller, longtime listener. 233 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 4: Now you have to understand, Judo Fight has a sense 234 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 4: of humor that I kind of like about this guy. 235 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 4: So Michael Man is his dude, right, and Michael Mann 236 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 4: has Heat, And like you know, Heat is very much 237 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 4: an iconic movie. But there are other iconic crime movies 238 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 4: from that era. For instance, Point Break. Oh, yes, now 239 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 4: you knew you remember that movie. Captain bigelowis, Now, what's 240 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 4: one of your favorite scenes in that movie? Is it 241 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 4: the bank robbery? 242 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: Sure? 243 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 4: Do you have any favorite bank robbery scenes? 244 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 3: You know what I think my favorite scene in the 245 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: movie is is when Keno says I am an FBI 246 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 3: agent and the Redon would say suit a, Jean do 247 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 3: di s a not bad? The General Dictorate for External Security? Yeah, 248 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 3: or General Dictorate for External Security. I guess they don't 249 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: have a translation for that exterior. 250 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: Ready to put your back into it that day, dude. 251 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 3: I did hard time in high school French and that's 252 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: all I have to show for it. 253 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 4: Well, then I want to apologize to you as well 254 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 4: as the listeners for my French accents. Let me backtrack 255 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 4: about the Catherine Bigelow point break. Yeah, the scene that 256 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 4: he is inspired by from that movie is where they're 257 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 4: wearing the rubber masks for all the presidents, the dead presidents. 258 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 4: So he does that over in France, but he does 259 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 4: it with French leaders. So it's like exactly Jacques Shack 260 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 4: and General Charles Degaull are robbing a French bank. Now. 261 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 4: Now when he's deciding not to imitate Michael Mann or 262 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 4: Catherine Bigelow, there is a third favorite film director of 263 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 4: his from the nineties era Hollywood. No, what criminal director 264 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 4: from nineties era Hollywood? 265 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: Do you think he loves a. 266 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 4: Wrong type of criminal director? I met a director of 267 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 4: crime films, not a director who is a criminal. Yeah, 268 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 4: it's tough, I know, it's Oh it was good. 269 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 3: That was a good time for criminal films, especially like 270 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: indie ones. Who was it? 271 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 4: So in a Reservoir Dogs, he has all the guys 272 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 4: named for colors and they have that big fight about 273 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 4: why I got to be mister pank So it's mister white, 274 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 4: mister pink, mister brown. He does the same thing. He 275 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 4: names his guys after colors. So he's constantly aping these 276 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 4: Hollywood movies and basically making Hollywood reel in a way 277 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 4: that nobody has ever really done. 278 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: It's a cosplay. 279 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 4: It's a cosplay criminal. 280 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 3: Wow. 281 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 4: So imagine now that Radon fight using this like tendency 282 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 4: for theatricality. Also this criminal imagination and a level of 283 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 4: ambition rarely seen in a criminal, because he's not just 284 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 4: going for money. He wants legend, he wants story, he 285 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 4: wants to be remembered, right, So this is very French 286 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 4: if you think about it, it's like, you know, it's 287 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 4: not so much about the money as about the how So, 288 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 4: the next thing he does is he gets too good 289 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 4: at being a criminal. He starts robbing banks all over 290 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 4: the continent. He's robbing banks in Switzerland, he's robbing banks 291 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 4: in France, He's robbing banks anywhere he can that they 292 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 4: have French speaking populous Belgium, He's gonna rob banks there. 293 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 4: He gets so good that the EU, even though it's 294 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 4: not the EU, then the European the European community starts 295 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 4: to look for him. Entrepole is after him. It is 296 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: like pretty much a matter of time before he's caught. 297 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 4: And he knows this because there's only so many places 298 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 4: a really flamboyant criminal like Rodon Fayid can hide. So 299 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 4: what does he do? Where would you go if you 300 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 4: needed to escape the success you have as a criminal? 301 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 3: Ah man, somewhere where they're just not gonna look for you. 302 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: I get. I mean, that's that's obvious. That's not a 303 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: very smart response. 304 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 4: Well, I mean like Moscow, Antarctica. These are all places 305 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 4: of Buenos Aires. These are places that people probably wouldn't 306 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 4: look for him. But that's not where he goes Fresno, Stockton. Yeah. Instead, 307 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 4: he goes to Israel and he becomes Jewish. 308 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: Oh as easy as that. 309 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 4: He just says, you know what I'm gonna go do. 310 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 4: I'm gonna go become Jewish. 311 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: He declares himself Jewish. 312 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 4: He says, I'm not one of the chosen people. Wow, 313 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 4: God chose me, so it's amazing. He converts to Judaism. 314 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 4: He literally goes to Israel. He starts hanging out the 315 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 4: Orthodox community. He wears a Yamaica, he starts studying like 316 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 4: the Torah, the Talmud, the holy holy liturgies, and just 317 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 4: going to town trying to become Jewish. 318 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 3: Now going to town. 319 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 4: Trying to become Jewish. Now this lasts for a few months, 320 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 4: but by nineteen ninety seven, Fid's like, you know what, 321 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 4: I'm over it. He stops being Jewish. He goes back 322 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,239 Speaker 4: to Europe, goes back to crime. Now do we know 323 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 4: why he wanted to be Jewish? Was it legitimate? Was 324 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 4: he just trying to hide out? Was he trying to 325 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 4: work a scam? We don't know. It's just a part 326 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 4: of the brilliance of his legend. For a short period 327 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 4: of time where don't Fightid was Jewish. 328 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 3: Well, you know, the Lord speaks to everyone in different. 329 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 4: Ways, Yeah, exactly, so he was motivated to a higher calling. 330 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe there was some sort of con that he felt, 331 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 3: you know, because we don't we know details of all 332 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 3: these ridiculous crimes that we talk about. But then I 333 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 3: always like to think about what are the things that 334 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 3: didn't make it public, Like what happened that no one 335 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 3: found out about? So maybe he had some like weird 336 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 3: little con going. 337 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 4: Maybe he fell in love with a woman who was 338 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 4: an Israel and he's like I'll go to Israel become 339 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 4: Jewish and she's like, nah, this is not working. He's like, 340 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be Jewish anymore. That could be No, 341 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 4: I'm not too much of a romantic. 342 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 3: No. I like to imagine that it was like a 343 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: Yentle situation. 344 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 4: So he's trying to pretend he's a Jewish man and 345 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 4: he's actually Jewish woman. 346 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. I just wanted to have you seen Yental, 347 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 3: I think so. I just wanted to say, le one of. 348 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 4: Barbie Straton's best Yeah, was his givat on that one. 349 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 4: So back to my man, we don't fight. Let's put 350 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 4: a pin in that and we'll get back to him 351 00:18:42,640 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 4: after this short break. So my man, Radona fay Aid 352 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 4: has been hanging at in Israel, pretending to be Jewish, 353 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 4: possibly converting, and he's been on the run. He decides 354 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 4: to go back to Europe. He hits back to Switzerland. 355 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 4: Now what do you think he does when he gets 356 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 4: back to Switzerland. 357 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 3: Okay, so he's left the Kibbutz. He's in Switzerland, yep, 358 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 3: opens a bank account, buys. 359 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 4: Chocolate, That's what I would do, but. 360 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 3: Rides the Saint Bernard down the street. 361 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 4: These are all things that are excellent choices, but Radono 362 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 4: Fayid does none of them. He robs a bank. So 363 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 4: he robs a bank, and it doesn't quite go as 364 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 4: how he plans it. Instead, he has to take a 365 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 4: policeman hostage, which is a new thing for him. He 366 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 4: doesn't normally do this, but he's like, uh, you know, 367 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 4: I don't hurt people, So he uses the policeman as 368 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 4: a chit. He's like, if you basically as a hostage. 369 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 4: He goes, if you don't hurt me, I'll let the 370 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 4: policeman go. He lets the policeman go, he doesn't get hurt. 371 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 4: He escapes, but he's now back on the radar of interpal. 372 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 4: It doesn't take them long and like I said, he 373 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 4: is finally captured. His luck is completely turned. He is 374 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 4: arrested for a slew of robberies in France and Belgium 375 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 4: and Switzerland, and he is sentenced to thirty years in 376 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 4: a French penitentiary. He is just twenty six years old. 377 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 3: Twenty six He did all of this. 378 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 4: Before he was twenty six years old. Wow, But he's 379 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 4: a gangster. He's a mobster from way back. As far 380 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 4: as how he views himself. So he does his dime 381 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 4: just like any other mobster would, doesn't say a thing. 382 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 4: He's like, I can do my thirty. Turns out the 383 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 4: French are like, you know, after ten years, man, you 384 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 4: seem to be a changed man. You seem to be 385 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 4: a rehabilitated and they decide to turn him free. So 386 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 4: now Radon Fayid is free. A brilliant man. What has 387 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 4: always been his primary concern movies exactly, the drama of stories, 388 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 4: in the power of legend. So what does he do? 389 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 4: He decides he'll tell his own story. He's like, I 390 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 4: can make a fortune by talking about being a criminal. 391 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 4: I don't need to be a criminal per se. Right, 392 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 4: So he writes a criminal know how book, like basically. 393 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 3: A criminality for le dummies. 394 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 4: Exactly, and he calls it bracieux des cities or grand 395 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 4: balditisme something like that. There you go, just like that, 396 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 4: the banditism So it roughly translates as robber from the 397 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 4: streets to great banditry so exactly. So this story is 398 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 4: like obviously self aggrandizing. He becomes a grand criminal on 399 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 4: the level of like Moriarty, right, so he does. But 400 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 4: the problem is he doesn't have his own Sherlock homes. 401 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 4: He only has all of French police right, but that's 402 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 4: not enough for him. He needs more conflicts. So he 403 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 4: then becomes a hero who can wag his finger at 404 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 4: all French culture as the former criminal who can tell 405 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 4: them where French society has gone wrong. He goes on 406 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 4: TV and becomes this moral scold and he basically because 407 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 4: they're having a problem in the nineties with gangsters people 408 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 4: going around shooting everybody up, he starts telling them that 409 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 4: basically it's the French authority's fault. It's society is to blame. 410 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 4: It is not these young men, it's his society. And 411 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 4: everyone's like, oh, may we, may we, and they all 412 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 4: go crazy for it because it's the lesson that they 413 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 4: want to believe is true. It's not us, it's them, 414 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 4: it's the French authorities. So now what happens. You think 415 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 4: this is gonna go well for Radon Fayid to become 416 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 4: go from criminal to criminal explainer. 417 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 3: Ah, you know, I think that it sounds like it's 418 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 3: so in his blood that he has crafted this so heartily. 419 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: I don't know if he can I don't know if 420 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 3: he can get out of it. 421 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 4: I'll give you a little sneak peek into the mind 422 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 4: of Radon Fayid. If I am telling everyone I'm no 423 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 4: longer a criminal, they will believe it, which clears up 424 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 4: a lot of room for me to be going back 425 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 4: to being a criminal. So it's all a cover. He 426 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 4: is now masterminding crimes because nobody would think that he 427 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 4: would dare become a criminal again. He said, he's not. 428 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 4: It's so important to his identity. He goes right back 429 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 4: to it and masterminds a bank robbery. 430 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 3: So he's doing like TV appearances. He's on like Good 431 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 3: Morning Paris and just talking about the poison of the 432 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 3: state and then he oh, that is brilliant, right. 433 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 4: And he has the book. He has the book out, 434 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 4: so the press is constantly talking about the book. They 435 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 4: have him on. Everybody wants to talk to him. And 436 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 4: he's a charming, ambitious, creative, intelligent man. So he's a 437 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 4: great guest on French TV, sure, and he has that 438 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 4: little bit of dark width that they like, so he 439 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 4: doesn't mind making fun of At the time, Nicholas Sarkozzi, 440 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 4: who was the French president. So we're in twenty eleven right, 441 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 4: and around this time, about Let's say, three days after 442 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 4: he appears on a French TV show raredon Fight, he 443 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 4: gets arrested. Why does he get arrested because his bank 444 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 4: robbery he's a mastermind, goes bad. Like Michael Mann would 445 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 4: be like really excited by how bad it would make 446 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 4: a great movie. Oh no, okay, you're ready for a 447 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 4: short story. Totally okay. It's early in the morning. A 448 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 4: patrol car cruises past a white van and they're like, oh, 449 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 4: look a white van van. It would mean nothing to 450 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 4: these cops except there are two big bullet holes in 451 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 4: the back of the white van that's not supposed to 452 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 4: be in a work van. So the French cops they 453 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 4: pull over and they stop to investigate. Oh what is 454 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 4: going on here with these holes in your van? Right 455 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 4: inside the utility van is a squad of heavily armed, 456 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 4: masked men, all holding Ak forty seven's and wearing balaklava masks. 457 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 4: So they're freaking out. They're like, what are we gonna do? 458 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 4: So the driver just starts pushing into traffic. The cops 459 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 4: are circling around the van on foot, and the driver 460 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 4: just pushes into traffic, hits a car takes off the 461 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,719 Speaker 4: cops go back to their car give chase the heavily 462 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 4: armed men in the back. What do they do? They 463 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 4: do some fast and furious type ish. They push open 464 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 4: the doors and they start spraying AK forty seven's at 465 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 4: the cop cars in traffic. Oh no, right, how insane 466 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 4: is that? So they're driving around on their fast and 467 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 4: furious vibe and the police cars swerving and crashing into cars. 468 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 4: The vanload of mass men escape, so it looks like 469 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 4: everything's fine. Yeah, the getaway driver follows the original plan. 470 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 4: The redn't fight. You created a brilliant plan. It had 471 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 4: a backup car. They go to the backup car. They 472 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 4: exchanged cars. They're like, well, we're not gonna be able 473 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,439 Speaker 4: to rob the bank today. They started driving away. Little 474 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 4: do they know that somebody in the gang must have 475 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 4: snitched because there is a tracker underneath their getaway car, 476 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 4: and when they come up to the freeway to make 477 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 4: their escape, there is a police car waiting for them 478 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 4: on the bridge. 479 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, this is like out of a Michael 480 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 3: Man film. 481 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 4: Right. So the mass men, still dressed in their camouflage, 482 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 4: bulletproof vests and their ball of clavius, they basically start 483 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 4: shooting the heck out of that cop car. They tear, 484 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 4: they shoot up. There is a young male cop and 485 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 4: a young female cop. They're both shot up. The window 486 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 4: explodes in just a symphony of glass and light and 487 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 4: the female cop her name is ale Fouquet something like that. 488 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 4: She is a mother to a young child, and within 489 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 4: hours of this interaction she is pronounced dead. Her partner 490 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 4: to Tiri or what is it theory Tiri Morou He 491 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 4: is hitting the chest. He survives, but with Fouquet passed away, 492 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 4: she becomes the first female metropolitan police officer in Paris 493 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 4: to be killed in the line of duty. 494 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 3: That's horrible. So she's our one percent, one percent. 495 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 4: Yes, her death shocks the Parisian culture. They're not used 496 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 4: to this military style of violence, so used to this 497 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 4: in movies, but now Radon Fay, it has made it 498 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 4: a real life thing. And it's tragic when the blood 499 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 4: actually hits the sidewalk in the streets. 500 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,239 Speaker 3: Well, and I feel like he wouldn't sign off on 501 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 3: this sort of think. This is like he's got crew members. 502 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 4: They messed up and that moment of fear ruins everything. 503 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 4: So Nicholas Sarkozy, he takes his shooting super personal. He's like, no, 504 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 4: this is not the excepting out of my France. Pardon, 505 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 4: apologies to all the French. He launches a nationwide man hunt, right, 506 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 4: and he's going to bring justice to these criminals and 507 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 4: bring these criminals to justice. Now do you think it 508 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 4: takes long for him to find any of these people? 509 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 3: No? I think that they put the hammer down. 510 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 4: That same night, the police arrest one of the suspects. Wow, 511 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 4: that same night, Malik Kier. And when they get to 512 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 4: Malik Kyder's hideout, they discover assault rifles, they discover grenades, 513 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 4: they discovered the same balaklava masks that the gunmen were 514 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 4: wearing in the van. They didn't get rid of them. 515 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 4: So now they've got DNA for. 516 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 3: The whole crew. 517 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 4: Boom, they're all done. 518 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 3: Wow. 519 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 4: So Bradon Fayid here's on the news that he is 520 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 4: now a person of interest, a suspect in this crime. 521 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 4: He disappears, he goes on the run. He is not 522 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 4: going back to prison. He doesn't care about being embarrassed 523 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 4: at all that but he is not going back to prison, 524 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 4: not because because I remember he had time left on 525 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 4: his sentence. He was released on good behavior. And being 526 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 4: a changed man. They will tack that back on. He's 527 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 4: going to be looking at a thirty year stretch at 528 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 4: least because of his pro violation. It's going to be 529 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 4: a guarantee. And masterminding a bank job I think is 530 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 4: a pro violate. 531 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 3: I think so. 532 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 4: On June eighth, twenty eleven, he is finally captured after 533 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 4: being on the run for six months. For six months 534 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 4: he was able to avoid capture, but of course he's captured. Yeah, 535 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 4: and this now brings our story full circle. Our French 536 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 4: Robin Hood is going to a prison, a prison where 537 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 4: a helicopter will come in and free him. Well, I'll 538 00:28:48,240 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 4: get right back to that after this break. So, Elizabeth 539 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 4: Radon fightd you like him? You don't like him? 540 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 3: You know? I do? I do. He's got moxie. 541 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 4: So what about him do you like? 542 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 3: I like the fact that he is clever. I like 543 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 3: the fact that he goes out with the intention of 544 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 3: being nonviolent in this and he's entertaining. He's an entertaining criminal. 545 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 4: Like, how can you not like him? 546 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? 547 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 4: Right, So the French authorities kind of have the same stance. 548 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 4: So radon't fight. He's recaptured after being on the run 549 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 4: for six months. There's been this whole media circus, but 550 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 4: he's this famous former criminal. Turns out that's not the case. 551 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 4: He's been scolding French society. Apparently that doesn't necessarily work 552 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 4: because he's still the criminal. Nicholas Arcozzi has been embarrassed 553 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 4: by him, and now Nicholas Sarkozy gets to punish him. 554 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 4: So everything is started to rebalance out for the most part. Right, Well, 555 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 4: he goes back to prison and what does he do 556 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 4: in prison? Starts plotting on an escape. 557 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 3: Sure, he's like the El Chapo, the exact scape artist. 558 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 4: So on April thirteenth, twenty thirteen, Radon Fayed's wife shows 559 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 4: up for a visit at the detention facility in Lil, 560 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 4: France where he is being held. I've been to little 561 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 4: to lovely little town in great museums, but I can't 562 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 4: imagine being in a prison there. It just doesn't feel 563 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 4: like a prison town. They'd be like being in a 564 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 4: prison in Montreal. 565 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 3: There's prisons there too. 566 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure it just seems like a town where 567 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 4: you don't want to be in prison. It's like it's 568 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 4: too nice. Yeah, so Faid he needs to get out 569 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 4: of this prison, So what is he gonna do. He 570 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 4: uses a bomb to blow up a heavy prison door. 571 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 4: He then uses more bombs and keeps blowing up prison 572 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 4: doors until he's finally worked his way out. So he 573 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 4: takes a gun that's a fake gun, and he uses 574 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 4: that to get four prison guards hostage. He uses the 575 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 4: prison guards as a cover and then they all make 576 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 4: their way out of prison. 577 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 3: Where was he giving these bombs? 578 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 4: He The suspicion is his wife brought them in when 579 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 4: she visited, but there is no proof of that. It 580 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 4: could have been he got it from a guard or 581 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 4: inmate who don't fight. His lawyer insists that his wife 582 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 4: had nothing to do with it. It was purely coincidental 583 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 4: that she happened to be there on the day that 584 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 4: he broke out and happened to be seeing him at 585 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 4: the time he was breaking up. Such as all purely coincidental. Yeah, 586 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 4: you have to be French to understand this. 587 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 3: Okay. 588 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 4: So once they're free of the prison walls, Fayid, who's 589 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 4: staying true to his mo he doesn't hurt anyone. He 590 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 4: lets one cop go, they go a little further, he 591 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 4: lets another cop go, and then finally, once he lines 592 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 4: up with his Basically, I don't want to say is coworkers. 593 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 3: Basically is the teammates criminals. 594 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 4: They decide to release the final two hostages and they 595 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 4: take off. Now for the next six weeks, he does 596 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 4: whatever he wants. He is free as a bird, right, 597 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 4: he's wearing a wig when he wants to go out 598 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 4: and gets some Chaco latmelk, you know. But this does 599 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 4: last long because eventually somebody catches up on the fact 600 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 4: there's this really strange man and this cheap motel who 601 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 4: doesn't seem to mind the price of anything and should 602 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 4: be somewhere else, and it becomes an issue. The police 603 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 4: show up at they surround the flophouse motel. They rush 604 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 4: in and a team in all black, armed and ready 605 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 4: for war, approach the hotel room and where is redont fight? 606 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 4: Right there waiting with a stunned face. How did you 607 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 4: catch me? 608 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 3: Did they rip his wig off? His fright wig? 609 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 4: You wouldn't have couped me. It weren't for you, meadling children. 610 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 4: So they catch him, unguarded, flat footed, totally unaware, and 611 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 4: he's like I can't help but being pressed because he's 612 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 4: redn't fight, He's like full of himself. He doesn't think 613 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 4: he's going anywhere because he knows he's not going to 614 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 4: be held if he can help it. Right, But now 615 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 4: he has to go to a trial because he's held 616 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 4: on the bad bank job that he has avoided. That's 617 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 4: a separate crime. He has to be tried for that. 618 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 4: So he goes into a trial. Now, what do you 619 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 4: think you're going to use as a legal defense if 620 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 4: you were Doon Faid and you weren't at the crime, 621 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 4: it wasn't me. There you go. So his legal defense 622 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 4: is also a charm offensive. So he basically tries to 623 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 4: win over the jury by being so French and so 624 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 4: unsufferably a full hero that only they could love him. 625 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 4: How could they hit him? 626 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 3: Did he bad his eyelashes at them? And his charm offensive? 627 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 3: Does that? Would that all work on the French? I 628 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 3: feel like we have notions about other countries here in 629 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 3: the States, and we, you know, give them characteristics and 630 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 3: perhaps they don't have or that not everybody has. 631 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 4: I think we also we forget about the effects of 632 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 4: classism on French culture. That if depending on who's in 633 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 4: this jury, you're gonna have a very different opinion. I 634 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 4: think of how they view him. 635 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that's very true. 636 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 4: So he tells the jury at one point in his trial, 637 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 4: I may not be a Robin Hood, I'm not the hero, 638 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 4: but I never killed him. They want so hey, he's 639 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 4: basically making his case, which is, look, I'm a folk hero, 640 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 4: I'm a legend. I'm not fatal. The French are like, oh, 641 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 4: that's good, he's all fair, all fair. Now. Meanwhile, this 642 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 4: is the kind of dude who gives three hour monologues 643 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 4: in court. Radon fight he could on the stand and 644 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 4: gave a three hour monologue explaining why it was that 645 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 4: he was in this court room. 646 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 3: This is when the people who are super stoked to 647 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 3: be on that jury are like starting to doubt how 648 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 3: there's their own stokage. 649 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 4: Yes, and also they think sometimes those types of charm 650 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 4: offensive can back up all of your forward progress because 651 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 4: people start getting mad that their ass is still in 652 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 4: that seat. 653 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. Three hours of a monologue is not charming, you 654 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 3: know what, it is ridiculous. 655 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 4: So Radon fight amidst his jurors that if they find 656 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 4: him guilty, he'll just attempt to escape again, He's like, look, 657 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 4: I'm gonna say it like it is. I am not 658 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 4: going to allow to be held. But then he tells them, 659 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 4: but hey, but is written yet? So French, so French. 660 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 4: So what do you think the jury does? Do you 661 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 4: think they go guilty, innocent or hung trial? 662 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 3: Hell, I don't know, jury, I don't know. 663 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 4: They say guilty. He has found guilty to return to prison, 664 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 4: and good to his word, he escapes French prison in 665 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 4: a helicopter. 666 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 3: Wow, well nothing was written and this is where we 667 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 3: came in. Yeah, that's right. 668 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 4: He had promised them and then he gave them an 669 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 4: even bigger one. Last one's like with bombs this time. 670 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 4: He's like, we're not going to repeat the same. 671 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 3: There's a certain elegance to the helicopter and the one 672 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 3: spot where the anti helicopter netting did they run out 673 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 3: of funding for the netting and we're like, you know, 674 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 3: it's kind off to the side or like was the 675 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 3: guy who was supposed to put it up just like. 676 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 4: He just measured it wrong and it made it one spot. 677 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 3: You know, he didn't measure twice cut once classic machine 678 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 3: eyeballed it. 679 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 4: And then he had like a big square and he's 680 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 4: like a man, well it looks good, guys. No helicopter could. 681 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 3: Land, you would do that anyway. We're overly cautious, you guys. 682 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 4: He painted himself into a corner. 683 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 3: Of course. I wonder if he lost his job. 684 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 4: Actually I do not know that was Let's just say 685 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 4: he didn't, because I would hate for him to lose 686 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 4: his job exactly because of Dad's excellence, you know, I mean, 687 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 4: like he it's not so much. I mean he had 688 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 4: the drones flying over the prison for weeks. Sure so. 689 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 3: But I also kind of I'll endorse someone losing their 690 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 3: job in the criminal justice system, like as a corrections officer, because. 691 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 4: I'll endorse it because I want them to not have that. 692 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 3: I want them to not have I want that to 693 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 3: not be a job. 694 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, I'm with you all there. Okay, So how 695 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 4: would you escape from your French prison? 696 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,439 Speaker 3: I would. I would be a really good person who 697 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 3: just like to get like what they call a trustee job. 698 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 3: So they're like, she's so well behaved, she's she's you know, 699 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 3: she got her act together, and I would work my 700 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 3: way to be able to work in like the prison baker, 701 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 3: and you know, i'd wow them with my breads and confections. 702 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 3: But then I'm also perfecting baking a giant baguette, And 703 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 3: so I'd bake about like three or four of these 704 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 3: giant bagettes like human and then one of com sized bagettes, 705 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 3: and I would hollow one of them out and sneak 706 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,280 Speaker 3: myself into it. But I'd also be constructing a giant 707 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 3: paper bag and a giant bicycle with a giant basket 708 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 3: on the front. And so then I load myself into 709 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 3: the bagette in the basket, so it just looks like 710 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 3: a giant's bike with baguettes. And they then what happens 711 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 3: is they don't think that's weird. They just, like all 712 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 3: all the prison employees, think they're hallucinating that something's wrong 713 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 3: with them, that we must have eaten some sort of 714 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 3: like mushroom spores or bad cheese. And in their panic, 715 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 3: then I, you know, as they wheel off this oddity 716 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 3: of this giant bike with giant bag attes. I'm in 717 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 3: one of the bag ats, and then as they wheel 718 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 3: it out, I tip it and I fall, and then 719 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 3: I sneak out. I roll out of the bag at 720 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 3: and run into the woods. 721 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 4: I like it, and I live. 722 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 3: Among the wolves, the French wolves, the French wolves. 723 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 4: I like, that's a that's a great plan. Hit you up. 724 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 3: I've put a lot of thought into this. I have 725 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 3: diagrams if you want to look at them, measurements for 726 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:41,840 Speaker 3: flower and yeast. 727 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 4: I think I would just wait for the French national 728 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 4: soccer team to be playing in some major tournament, and 729 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 4: I would just walk out the front door. 730 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because everything would come to. 731 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 4: Us exactly, no one be paying attention. So that is 732 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 4: the basic story of my Man Radon Fad and he 733 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,760 Speaker 4: like comes up as possibly one of the most epic 734 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 4: movie inspired criminals of all time. But as a Frenchman, 735 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 4: it's even more so impressive because, like, I don't know, 736 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 4: it seems like kind of more of an American thing 737 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 4: to go like full Mickey Mallory, I'm gonna be inspired 738 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 4: by the movies, and like, you know, that just seems American. 739 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 4: I don't know why, but it seems like the French 740 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 4: would be more inspired by like Jerry Lewis, Jerry Lewis 741 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 4: in literature exactly, or the literature of Jerry Lewis, ah, 742 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 4: the great literature of Jerry Lewis. So my Man, the 743 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 4: forty six year old crime legend is now currently ben 744 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 4: returned to a maximum security French prison, after being caught 745 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 4: for the third time, the French Justice Minister Nicole Bellube. 746 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 4: He told europe One Radio quote, We're going to put 747 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 4: them in a high security facility where he will be 748 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 4: watched extremely closely. So that's the promise, but we gotta 749 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 4: believe ra don't fay. He's got to stay at least 750 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 4: one step ahead of him. So we'll see if he's 751 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 4: free once again, we'll tell you about it and it 752 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 4: won't be a surprise, but it'll be hard for me 753 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,879 Speaker 4: not to root for this folk hero. Same So what's 754 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 4: our ridiculous takeaway here? 755 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 3: I think that if you're gonna if you're gonna do something, 756 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 3: you gotta go all in and make it interesting. 757 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 4: Oh I like that. I think my ridiculous takeaway for 758 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 4: him is pick a good film director stick to us. 759 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 4: For me, it'd be Billy. 760 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 3: Wilder, The Crimes of Billy Wilder. 761 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 4: If I'm gonna become a criminal, I'm gonna use Billy 762 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 4: Wilder's playbook cross Dressing, runaway to Miami, get involved with 763 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,720 Speaker 4: the gangsters. That's my that's my score. 764 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:34,879 Speaker 3: Well done, Thank you. 765 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 4: Well, thank you for joining us. 766 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 3: I'm zaraen Burnette and I'm Elizabeth Dutton. 767 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 4: You're gonna find us online at Ridiculous Crime on both 768 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 4: Twitter and Instagram. 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