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Speaker 2: Let's get to the Fox Says and now every day

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick talking

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Speaker 2: about Shay and how his performance in game two compared

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Speaker 2: with game one.

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Speaker 4: The difference in game two as opposed to Game one.

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Speaker 4: He was more economical with his shooting. And you know,

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Speaker 4: you're taking thirty shots to get to thirty eight points

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Speaker 4: in game one, and you're taking what twenty one shots

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Speaker 4: to get to thirty four points and you throw in

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Speaker 4: eight assists. That's where they're really dangerous. And you had

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Speaker 4: so many players from the bench coming in and contributing.

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Speaker 4: You saw a true okay see performance last night. Now

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Speaker 4: that's one game, but is it habit forming? Does Okay, see,

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Speaker 4: realize we should have won game one. We made a mistake.

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Speaker 4: We can't let this team get any breath of fresh

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Speaker 4: air and think they have a chance to beat us.

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Speaker 4: And you saw that in game one, and they should

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Speaker 4: have known that. If you watch the Pacers when they're

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Speaker 4: down by fifteen, you don't know if they're down by

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about this in the radio shows some.

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Speaker 2: So with Themhart guarding him, them Heart guarding him. In

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Speaker 2: the first game, you know, he was still effective, but

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Speaker 2: it was all from the prumeter and Nemhart is small,

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Speaker 2: gotting close to him, tried to avoid foul trouble, did

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Speaker 2: a really good job. The counter for Oklahoma City was

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Speaker 2: for him to what's called barkley into the post, which

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Speaker 2: And he's a dynamic score in there, not just in

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Speaker 2: bigger and has a great slithering ability to get open,

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Speaker 2: get shots and occasionally get the line. And then you know,

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Speaker 2: when the Pacers doubled him, that's when he got the

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Speaker 2: eight assists. So the Pacers put Nemahard on him, put

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Speaker 2: a point guard on him and got into him. The

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Speaker 2: adjustment game two is to roll him the post and

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Speaker 2: let's see what happens with game three.

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Speaker 3: See what happens at game three.

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Speaker 2: Here's LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox talking about the reason

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers waited so long to sign with the Steelers.

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Speaker 5: I think it's because he got married. I know what

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Speaker 6: I have it on pretty good authority that that's not

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Speaker 6: I don't know if he got married, but that that's

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Speaker 6: not then what was it?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 6: Some personal stuff?

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Speaker 5: You know, he sounds personal to me.

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Speaker 6: You know maybe uh, you know, maybe some people that

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Speaker 5: Okay, listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna put it to you

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Speaker 5: like this, like you're saying it like real gentle and

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Speaker 5: stuff like this. Just say it. How about that you

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Speaker 5: don't have to keep people in the dark about it.

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Speaker 5: If it's getting out to the point of where it's

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Speaker 5: Is he waiting for another team? Is he going to retire? Oh?

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Speaker 5: Somebody said it's personal, Like then you see a wedding

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Speaker 5: if you don't want people speculating about it and you

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Speaker 2: I just don't, you know, do I care a little bit?

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing the pittsburghk new all along exactly when that's

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Speaker 7: Chador Sanders has two things going for him, and don't

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Speaker 7: kid yourself, this is how the league works. The owner

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Speaker 7: of the Cleveland Browns, Jimmy Haslam, is really impulsive. He

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Speaker 7: drafted Johnny Manziel over better quarterbacks. He drafted Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 7: Probably the league's worst contract and in a quarterback room

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Speaker 7: with zero star power except Shadoor Sanders, He's going to

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Speaker 7: get a chance. There's a lot of belief in the

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Speaker 7: the teams, Cleveland finally drafted Shadeur Sanders. He is desperate

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Speaker 7: used to looking at that schedule between week seven and ten,

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Speaker 7: Chaudeur Sanders is going to get a shot here Shaudors

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Speaker 7: on this roster because Jimmy Haslam wanted him on the roster.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I'd say that's fair.

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Speaker 2: I definitely think having the owner believe in you and

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Speaker 2: wanting the attention and whatever. I mean, this is Johnny

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Speaker 2: Creates at least the perception of such dysfunction within the team.

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Speaker 2: And again, remember it's it's one thing to be a

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Speaker 2: little bit dysfunctional. It's another thing to be consecutively disfunctional.

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Speaker 2: And then oh yeah, by the way, you're in a

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Speaker 2: They did resign all their offensive weaponry and they have

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Speaker 2: been really successful recently. So the Bengals are cheap, that

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean they're poorly run. And they haven't been cheap

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Speaker 2: with the guys that they have. That's what the Foxes say.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Doug was watching the NBA Finals game last night.

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Speaker 8: I'm thinking, Richard Jefferson's not very good at this. It's

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Speaker 8: Richard Jefferson Doris Burke, it's just not working. And maybe

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Speaker 8: ESPN should not just put like first timers into the

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Speaker 8: Richard Jefferson. It reminds me of the Jason Witten team

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Speaker 8: with Booger and Tessitour. It's just things just don't sound right.

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Speaker 8: They're not working well. But anyways, Richard Jefferson is anti content,

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Speaker 8: which means he's anti me. I like content. Richard Jefferson doesn't.

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Speaker 8: This is what he said about the anonymous poll that

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Speaker 8: deemed Tyrese Haliburton is the most overrated player in the NBA.

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Speaker 3: Forget the vote.

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Speaker 6: I've never liked anonymous sources in any situation.

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Speaker 3: If you want to hide and my thing, if.

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Speaker 9: You want to talk about Tyrese Haliburton.

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Speaker 8: In that moment, then stay it with your chest.

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Speaker 6: Don't give me a hidden player that wants to say something.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 8: You and I have talked about the anonymous sources and

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Speaker 8: historically how things would never have been revealed without anonymous sources.

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Speaker 8: I'm not even going there. It's like, to me, what

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Speaker 8: annoys me about him in this moment is he's anti content.

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Speaker 8: Without the anonymous poll, we don't get this content. And frankly,

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Speaker 8: maybe Tyrese Haliburton isn't motivated to do magical things this postseason,

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Speaker 8: so he's thinking that if the Atlantic or I'm sorry,

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Speaker 8: have never gotten the Tyrese Haliburton on the motivation kick

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Speaker 8: everyone else's asked tour Richard Jefferson's anti content. I hate that.

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Speaker 2: This is a real thing that I think executive issues

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Speaker 2: because I understand I got a head coaching job without

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Speaker 2: it is different. The point is, whether it's coaching or

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Speaker 2: Now Doris has a lot of it, and she's experienced

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Speaker 2: And it's a different role. And what happens is when

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Speaker 3: But what happens is.

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Speaker 2: If you don't go through the years of build up,

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Speaker 2: you don't get the feedback that you need as a broadcaster. Right,

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Speaker 2: as curmudgeon. Okay, but those are two guys. Mark Jackson

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Speaker 2: the reason that Doris is going to be out is

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Speaker 2: it's ESPN's call. Those companies only make these moves and

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Speaker 7: She just was.

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Speaker 2: You know, it was the because you remember, as you

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Speaker 8: All that's true, And like Tom Brady is seems like

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Speaker 2: But no, I do not think you'll be particularly good

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Speaker 8: I don't know if you're aware of this, but there

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Speaker 8: Do not share them because it empowers people that makes

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Speaker 8: offered up this about Angel Reeves this past weekend.

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Speaker 11: Angel I'm just going to get straight to it. You

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Speaker 11: garbage time. And tickets were going for three dollars tonight.

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Speaker 12: Three dollars is actually a fair price because everyone knows

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Speaker 12: without Kitlyn Clark, nobody cared about tonight's game. Kitlyn Clark

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Speaker 12: But I don't sell tickets, I sell victimhood. So the

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Speaker 8: Oh man, I'd so good. I dare you to watch

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Speaker 8: That's on you to do your work now. You need

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Speaker 2: So what's the annoying part? People that complain about the

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Speaker 8: People that say you shouldn't share it because it empowers

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Speaker 2: If you thought that was real though, you're part of

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Speaker 3: Have I have one more. I have one more. This

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Speaker 2: We were good friends and then he got up set

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Speaker 3: I I don't. I don't know how anybody could ever

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Speaker 2: But I have to tell you, the every time you

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Speaker 3: It's just annoying.

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Speaker 2: Like last night was a twenty five point game. It

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Speaker 2: All that said, every foul is do, let's review it.

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Speaker 2: Every foul is out, Let's review it. And the worst

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Speaker 1: Why are we doing this? Why do I because we can?

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Speaker 8: Shaq was on the Kelsey Brothers podcast recently.

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Speaker 10: And I'm still taking notes by how you've did it.

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Speaker 1: You gotta get me on the on the on the.

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Speaker 3: DJ booth man.

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Speaker 10: You gotta teach me, teach me your ways. Dog, I

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Speaker 10: got you, I got you what you got. And you

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Speaker 10: know it's crazy you opening up with your girlfriend. Bro,

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Speaker 10: you'll be a fucking start. Ten minutes, ten minutes, hyping

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Speaker 2: So good, so good. There are parts of Shack which

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Speaker 2: are great. There are parts of Shack which are really frustrating.

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Speaker 2: That's a great one. Why could we play for you?

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Speaker 2: Because we can't. That's it for the end the Modus Podcast.

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