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This 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.800 podcast also contains subject matter which may not be suitable 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:41.760 for everyone. 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:43.960 Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:50.600 News articles once again mentioned the talk about alien spacecraft, 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:55.160 and subsequent articles in national magazines quoted unnamed sources about 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:58.320 things of alien origin flying in Nevada. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:05.200 Nowhere, like a Shiroco in the desert. He was in silhouette. 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.520 He comes forward on the news and says, we are 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:12.759 reverse engineering alien spacecraft at a place called Area fifty one, 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.280 which you haven't heard about, but it's out there in 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:20.399 the Nevada desert, nine flying saucers. And I was part 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.520 of that program. And now I'm worried about my life. 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:27.240 I feel a threat to my personal safety. That's my story. 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:28.679 That's it. 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:35.160 Don The story of Bob Blazar will never go quietly. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:38.760 He described a job, not a moment in the sky, 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:43.840 but a workplace, a schedule, a commute, the chain of command, 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:48.400 he said, or reverse engineering alien spacecraft at a place 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:53.200 you've never heard of. That place was Area fifty one. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:54.040 He says. 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.320 He was hired to work at an area called S four. 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.200 At S four, he says, are flying saucers, technology that 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.160 is seemingly beyond human capability, and overnight. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.560 A classified military test site became a cultural obsession. 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.280 Lazar's story is by any standards, fantastic. 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:12.320 He says. 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.400 He's telling it in order to protect himself. 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.600 So George Knapp was like, who is this? Lazar guide? 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.720 His news people were like, is this true? In this 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.800 I don't know. I'm going to find out. 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.240 This week we've heard the contention of UFO researchers that 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.680 there's a secret government within our government. It's a chilling 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:40.680 scenario with worldwide implications that may have its roots right here. 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:43.560 EREA fifty one. 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:46.360 That mysterious corner of the Nevada test site is no 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.880 longer much of a secret. The fact that secret of 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.280 things go on here is a given even to the 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.800 Soviets who make daily spy flights over the facility to 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:56.240 take a peek at what's going on. 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.440 The question was not just is this true? It was 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.080 who is this guy? 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.440 Very polarizing figure. If people look into the UFO world, 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:08.160 can we believe him? 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.560 Can we not? Does he have a shorted past? Is 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:11.200 he a liar? 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.840 If Lezaara is lying, it's an extraordinary line. And if 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.120 he's telling the truth, it's one of the most important 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:20.440 revelations in human history. 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:21.919 There is no middle ground. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.239 I was thirteen years old. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.200 Then to hear on the radio Bob Tzar's voice and 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.480 George Knapp interviewing him, and that was like my gateway drug. 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:36.800 That's where my curiosity got weaponized. 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.720 Strange stories of lights in the night sky. No one 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:47.160 who's worked a Dreamland has ever publicly acknowledged what so 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:51.000 many people have suspected for years, that alien technology is 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:53.520 being tested and then avaded desert. 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:58.480 It's a very interesting building. 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:03.280 It's got a slope of probably about thirty degrees, which 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:11.520 are hangar doors, nine flying saucers, flying discs of extraterrestrial origin. 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.360 It's there. I saw it. This came from somewhere else. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.159 As a bizarre as it is to believe I know 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:20.320 what the current state of the art is and physics, 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.000 and it can't be done. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.640 He says he was never told exactly what he'd be 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:27.839 working on, but figured it had something to do with 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.599 advanced propulsion. On his first day, he was told to 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.040 read a series of briefings that immediately realized how advanced 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:35.000 the propulsion was. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:41.280 You're like, okay, well is this possibly true. The one 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.920 thing he said that blew my mind was the way 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:48.240 Bob Azar described the propulsion system. 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.400 They run gravity amplifiers. 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:56.200 There's no physical hookup between any of the systems in there. 0:04:57.000 --> 0:05:03.080 They use gravity as a wave, using wave guides like microwaves. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:13.560 Traveling these distances does require a level of technology that 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:15.960 man has not yet achieved, but it has nothing to 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.240 do with flying in a linear mode. Near the beat 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:22.000 of light, we can distort the space time and in 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.440 turn the distance between the point where we are and 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:25.560 the point where we want to be. 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.400 Blazaarre doesn't talk like a storyteller. He talks like someone 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:36.560 describing a machine. Gravity amplifiers, non reactionary propulsion. I mean, 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.599 are they just cool buzzwords or does he actually know 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:40.520 what he's talking about? 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.320 When you have a craft is propelled by something. 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:50.080 Most things are reactionary propulsion rockets to roller skates. You 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:54.440 push something out the back, you move forward. The thing 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.960 that Lazarre said publicly that really struck me. He said, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:02.960 this is a non reactionary PU system. You can move 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.880 through time and space. You can move somewhere without pushing 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.440 something out the back. And I'm like, what does that mean. 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.760 It's like you push your fist into a bed, and 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.640 you've got a bowling ball on that bed, and the 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:17.840 bowling ball falls into the divot where you put your fist, 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:24.400 falling into place. If what he said is true, then 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:29.039 the distance between stars and galaxies no longer matters. Because 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.240 the big argument was, of course there's life out there 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:34.159 in the university. If you had a propulsion system that 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:39.640 negated the entire dilemma you have of distance, time and space, 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:44.960 then there's no boundary that's stopping contact from other civilizations. 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.160 So all these things people see disks in the sky 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:48.800 for thousands of years. 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:50.919 Well, there's a possibility could be true. 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.640 So first time I heard it explained in a way 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.200 that made sense from a point of physics, and I thought, 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:03.040 holy shit. If what he saying is true, then distance 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:08.000 doesn't matter. And if that's true, dude, I got to find. 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:12.040 Out the hardware and technology I was exposed to should 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.640 be placed in the proper hands of the scientific community. 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:16.520 There is physical evidence. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.680 Which proves that there is life elsewhere, and that at 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:20.720 least one form of that life has been here. 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.040 Lazarre says he worked at S four south of Groome Lake, 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:30.680 inside hangers built into the desert. Altogether, he claims to 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.880 have seen nine craft, all different, all beyond human capability. 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:40.760 What Bob Lazar said, then it is imperative that people 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:45.680 try to understand what he meant by that and try 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.600 to figure out for thisselves if he is worthy of 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:49.160 your trust. 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.120 And then the story fractures. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.960 When he came forward, whether you believe it or not, 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.360 the idea was that he he was worried about his 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:06.320 safety and as well being. I know everybody who's with 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.040 him at that time, they don't even like each other anymore. 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.600 Some of them they don't get along. They all agree 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:17.760 on one thing. What Bob said happened happened. He was 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:22.960 temporarily employed trying to reverse engineer these UFOs. Immediately when 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:26.360 he came forward, George Knap tried to dig into these 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.800 claims and say, what can I prove what is real? 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:29.520 What is not real? 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:38.880 Schools deny his education, agencies deny as employment records just disappear. 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.240 Checking out Lazar's credentials proved to be a difficult task. 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.120 He says he earned degrees in physics and electronics, but 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.199 the schools we contacted say they've never heard of him. 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.040 He also said he worked as a physicist at Los 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:55.040 Alamo's National Lab, where he experimented with one of the 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:59.240 world's largest particle beam accelerators, a half mile long behemoth 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.160 capable of generating seven hundred million volts. 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:08.560 Very clearly worked at Los Alamos, because guess why George 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.720 Knapp went there bob led him in. 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:14.000 There's video of that. 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.680 Los Alamos officials told us they had no records of 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:20.880 a Robert Lazar ever working there. They were either mistaken 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.280 or were lying. A nineteen eighty two phone book from 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.720 the lab lists Lazar right there among the other scientists 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.360 and technicians. A nineteen eighty two clipping from the Los 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.040 Alamos newspaper profiled Lazarre and his interest in jet cars. 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.280 It too mentioned his employment at the lab as a physicist. 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.560 At the same time, physical evidence refuses to cooperate with 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:47.880 that denial. Phone books, newspaper clippings, actual video footage from 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:53.240 Los Alamos. This is where the Bob Lazar story becomes 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.600 impossible to hold together in a clean way. 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.920 Obviously worked at Los Alamos. Why did they tell George 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.360 Knapp that he didn't work there? Never worked there? 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:06.000 They don't know what he's talking about. 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:13.160 We called Los Alamos again. An exasperated official told us 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:17.440 he still had no records on Lazarre. EG and G, 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.080 which is where Lazarre says he was interviewed for the 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:24.280 job at S four, also has no records. It's as 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.040 if someone has made him disappear. 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:30.600 Well, they're trying to make me a non person. 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.360 They explain, you called where, well, the schools that I 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.960 went to, the hospital that was born at past job, 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.240 and essentially nothing comes up with my name in it. 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.640 He smiles, but out of futility, knowing the whole thing 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:53.680 must sound ridiculous. According to Lazarre, his employer was the 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.640 United States Navy. He says he and other government employees 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.440 would gather near EG and G flight to Groom Lake. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.200 Very few people would get into a bus with blacked 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.960 out or no windows and drive to S four. It 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.559 took a while, Azar says before he actually saw one 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.320 of the flying discs. However, there were hints everywhere. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.040 They had a poster and it looked like a commercial poster, 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.280 almost like it was lithographed and you could buy it 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.360 at a kmart or something. But they were all over 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.560 the place, and it had the disc that I coined 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:23.720 the term the sport Model. 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:29.000 The sport model his name for the craft stashed in 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:30.000 the desert. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:32.680 When I was let in. 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.160 It was the first time I saw the Sport Model 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.000 in the hangar, sitting down, and I was told they 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:40.560 could have walked me in the front door, but they 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.360 purposely wanted to walk me by it. I was still 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.040 not to say anything and just keep my eyes forward 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:49.360 and walk past the disk into the office area. As 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:50.760 I went by it, I just kind of stuck my 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:54.600 hands on it, just to run it alongside the thing. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.880 And after that I got to see it. I actually 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:03.160 left off the ground and operate. The hangars are all 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:07.120 connected together and there are large bay doors between each one, 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:11.920 and there were nine total that I saw, each one 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:12.640 being different. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.680 Security it asked four was oppressive, Lazarre says, and his 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.720 superiors used fear and intimidation almost as a brainwashing tool. 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:28.040 Did everything but physically hurt me. Put a gun gear. 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:32.800 Head, Yeah, guards there with them, sixteens and guys slamming 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.920 their finger into my chest, screaming in my ear, some 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:36.199 people pointing weapons at me. 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:38.560 It's not a good place to work. 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:46.400 Either he lied about parts of his background or someone 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:48.160 tried very hard to erase him. 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.120 Paul, I've just presented to you is true, and the 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.360 government is keeping this a secret. How can I make 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:58.320 a video telling you about it? Well, the bottom line 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.400 is if there are any repercussis from making this video, well, 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.559 it simply confirm that what I told you is true. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.040 So what you do with this information is up to you. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.720 What's going on up there could be the most important 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:20.360 event in history. You're talking about contact, physical physical contact 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:26.560 and proof from another system, another planet, another intelligence. That's 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:32.560 got to be the biggest event in history period. I 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.319 am telling the truth. I've tried to prove that. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:42.320 Not every detail is perfect. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:47.239 So the question becomes, does one false truth or unresolved 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.360 mystery collapse this story? 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:50.000 Altogether? 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:56.880 We have people ostensibly with credentials who are frauds. And 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:02.559 who have blommed on to pop culture. Robert Scott Lazarre, 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.680 supposedly a nuclear physicist with a master's and physics from MIT, 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:12.000 a master in electronics from cal Tech, who supposedly worked 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:18.559 at Area fifty one back engineering flying saucers. I did 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.360 a lot of checking on Bob. I tried to meet 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.840 with them twice. I was supposed to on one occasion, 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:27.040 and he didn't go along. I checked at MIT, I 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:32.160 checked at cal Tech. Neither one ever heard of him. Well, 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.800 but the government wiped his records clean. As the response. 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.160 I talked to the legal counsel at MIT. 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:40.920 No way to do that. 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.440 I talked with the guy who has the. 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:47.360 Degrees, the commencement lists and all that sort of thing. 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:52.880 No mention of Lazarre. None of the yearbooks show Lazar 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.640 for a master's degree. You need a thesis. I talked 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.480 to the guy who holds those No Lazarre item there. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:03.360 And the story goes on and on beyond that, and 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.520 I got people telling me, well, I don't see why 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:10.520 you don't believe him. He seemed so sincere. Sincerity is 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:12.600 not a check on truth. 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.120 So if you go back in his history and he 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:24.280 talks about going to college. There's no record of him 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:28.640 being at this college. How is that? So, what is 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:30.160 the explanation for that? 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:33.080 So let's open this up so your audience understands. So 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.680 now we're going to like one of the points of contention. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:40.000 One of the first things George Knapp couldn't confirm was 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.960 Bob Azar's education history. There are certain things he couldn't 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.960 ever prove. Doesn't mean they didn't happen, just George couldn't 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.840 prove him so in the first report, because I cannot 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:56.160 verify his claimed educational roles what he said that he had. 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:02.200 So it leaves you with one of three options. Either 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:07.160 Bob a Zart lied about his educational history. That doesn't 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.400 negate the fact that he did work at Los Alamos, 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.160 and doesn't negate the fact of what we now know 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:15.320 about his employment out at the test range area fifty one. 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.680 That's version one. Okay, I'll accept that. If that's true. 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.720 Already you've got one thing cool. Does it make the 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.160 difference for me? It's a part of it. Maybe I 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.640 just want to know he's he a liar? What is 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.320 the value of that to you? Maybe you're trying to 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:31.680 figure out if he's a liar. 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.800 Well, it's like if you're on trial and this person 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:42.080 had a history of lying about this, the defense would use. 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:47.560 That that's evidence. You know, you look at the idea 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.040 of well, what's the other options. 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:52.200 The other option is that back in the eighties or 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.320 eighty nine, when things were not as digital as they 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:59.680 are now, could you and would you scrub elements of 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.000 his educational background? 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.920 Okay, I could see some of that happening. So then 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:07.200 the third option is. 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:16.320 What if Bob Blazar hasn't told us everything? What if 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.919 he did have education at those schools he claimed, but 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.439 he was maybe protecting a little bit the exact nature 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:28.840 of that education. That's something that maybe Bob can talk 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.640 about if he ever wants to. But that's a third 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.440 option and want people to keep on the table. When 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.560 you bring up one aspect of the Bob Blazar case 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:38.960 that is on your mind, you have to assign it 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:41.200 a value, like how important is that if we already 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:42.600 know he worked at Area fifty one and we have 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.119 some proof of that, like I have people that testified 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.679 they saw him there, So then you have to assign 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.200 a value to that. How much value does that one 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:56.000 thing have you? It gave you three possibilities. Maybe we 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.240 don't know the full story. 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.719 That's how I would write the ship for you. 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:05.080 The educational background of Bob Bazaar is that maybe there's 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:08.840 something that we don't fully understand yet, or he's lying, 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:13.800 or they scribed it a sign of value to that. 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.879 Just keep an open mind. If I found out he 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:22.560 was lying, I would have already said so, and I could. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.320 Swallow the pill that if he came forward and said, hey, man, 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.800 I lie about this, think he's more credible if he 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.720 told me though, But just to. 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:35.560 Be fundamentally clear, my understanding, like my belief, I guess 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.080 my direct knowledge is that Bob Azar is telling you 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:44.560 how it is, and there's probably more to hear from him. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:47.600 The other thing I think you should consider, if there's 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:52.680 tons of evidence in the favor of Bob having experienced 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:56.040 what he said he did. We can't dismiss all of 0:18:56.080 --> 0:19:00.000 that based upon a few things that are unlooped for you. 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:05.040 Don't discount there is a mountain of evidence. The other 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:09.240 thing you can reconcile is that it is possible that 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:13.160 someone like Bob Bazaar is the perfect person to bring 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:18.760 into a program Rocket guy. He's a pirate. If you 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:20.480 want to this credit, Bob, you can do it. 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.359 The bottom line is some things add up, some things 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.680 do not, and there's no one explanation that covers all 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.560 of it, at least in a clean way. So instead 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.399 of arguing about Bob Blazar as a person, let's widen 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:38.200 the frame. The deeper question is about how we decide 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:42.320 what counts as knowledge, what do we accept as evidence, 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.520 and how much uncertainty are we willing to take before 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:47.280 we stop looking. 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.439 More than a dozen agents serving federal search warrants Tatan is. 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.960 Now chief investigator George Knapp now with the exclusive story. 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:58.920 Secrecy has always been paramount. 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.320 That Area fifty one, a once obscure outpost in then 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.080 about a desert that might be the world's best known 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:05.960 secret base. 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:13.560 He was pulled into court in crazy ways, pulled into 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.040 court for setting up a security system for a brothel. 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:20.600 Bob had a crazy life. And when you talk about 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.440 discrediting the messenger so that you can discredit the message, 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:27.840 that's where it gets sticky. Just because you can discredit 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.640 somebody from what a moral standpoint, doesn't mean what they're 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:39.119 saying ain't true. You should be disturbed by certain lacks 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.560 of information in the Bob Blazar report, in what he 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:47.359 has reported to us, it would make logical sense for 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.240 you to be a little bit like, well, wait a second, there, 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:54.080 Wait a second there. I was trying to catch Bob 0:20:54.080 --> 0:21:00.159 Bazar and a lie absolutely every day from my own knowledge, 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:07.400 and I'm sorry to report bizarre has never ever been disingenuously, 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:08.920 not even disingenuous. 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:10.160 You gave me acceit to everything. 0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:13.359 Thirty years ago. 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:17.200 Today, KLAS aired a live interview with an anonymous man 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.439 who made some really astonishing claims. He alleged that the 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:24.320 US military was secretly studying alien technology out of the 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.360 Nevada Desert area fifty one. 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:28.359 A lot has. 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.359 Changed in the decades since Bob Blazar first told this 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:35.000 wild story. The Pentagon recently admitted that it really has 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.159 been secretly studying UFOs, and then it wanted to figure 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:40.320 out and duplicate that technology. 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:45.479 Pentagon officials reluctantly admitted to The New York Times that 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:50.240 the military has secretly studied UFO incidents in parts of 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:55.880 it might figure out the technology. 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:02.600 It is what it is, But ultimately I wasn't there. 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:08.359 I don't know for a fact that everything he saw 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.560 was what he thinks it was the mysterious case of 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:14.560 Bob Blazar. He's a hell of a guy, a really 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:20.600 good person, and that's more important to me than flying saucers. 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:37.840 The bottom line is some things add up, some things 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.119 do not, and there's no one explanation that covers all 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:44.040 of it, at least in a clean way. So instead 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.840 of arguing about Bob Blazar as a person, let's widen 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:50.680 the frame. The deeper question is about how we decide 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:54.760 what counts as knowledge, what do we accept as evidence, 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:59.000 and how much uncertainty are we willing to take before 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:02.119 we stop looking To help do that, I wanted to 0:23:02.160 --> 0:23:05.359 bring in two minds who approached this problem from a 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:11.680 very different angle, not as whistleblowers or journalists, but as thinkers, 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:15.520 scientists who are less interested in answers than in frameworks. 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:19.399 That brings us to Gary Nolan, who you heard briefly 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:22.840 in episode one in the Legendary Jacques Valet. 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:37.159 It's like the end of that lessons and now you 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:41.320 need to get a job, and you need to get money, 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:46.880 and you get to invest in structures, which is what 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:56.080 doctor Nolan is leading. And that's possible now because I 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:59.639 think in part because of people like me writing those books, 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:04.560 and those books getting attention through the web. On a 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:09.080 number of people know the basic facts, you know, the 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:12.879 basic data, and a number of people have started to 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:18.440 do their own investigations. And if you have a computer today, 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:24.120 you can build a professional level catalog and you can 0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.119 do your own statistics. If you're no statistics, you know, 0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:30.280 you don't need to wait for somebody to give you 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:36.439 authorization to do that. That has changed the audience. It's 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:41.080 made it a lot larger, and it has changed the 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:46.000 level of professionalism that you can apply to them. The 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:51.040 mystery goes through phases, and every phase is taken up 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:55.879 by the media and then forgotten and then reboard some 0:24:56.080 --> 0:25:00.160 other way. So I've seen all these different waves of 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:07.480 of interest along the way. Then it became international. Today 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:11.240 most of the information suddenly that I get or the 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:17.120 people here get is through the web. Now everybody can 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:20.080 be in contact know what's going on in other countries. 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:26.320 I think we're at a point of major transition. 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:27.679 You know. 0:25:27.760 --> 0:25:32.320 The media has driven that. You know, once you have television, 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:37.879 then people have access to a larger audience. Before it 0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:40.840