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Speaker 3: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal, Indeed, we do many things

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Speaker 4: So we've got a whole bunch.

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Speaker 1: Of Trump comments about abortion and Israel and immigrants and

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Speaker 1: bloodbaths that will and we've got to break down all

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Speaker 1: general election here. Both of them have Biden and Trump

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Speaker 1: of now son up their nominations and are the presumptive nominees.

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Speaker 4: So get into all of that.

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Speaker 1: We also have some Trump legal news. It seems that

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Speaker 1: his luck on the legal front continues. We're now facing

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Speaker 1: very interesting. We also have Chuck Schumer and netnya who

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Speaker 1: really going to war. Schumer had called for a new

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Speaker 1: government in Israel, Ntnaho responding he is very upset. We

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Speaker 4: And ours will break all of that down for you.

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Speaker 1: We've got some new APAC talking points that are also

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Speaker 1: quite revealing that we can bring to you today as well.

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Speaker 1: And this new Scotus ruling that is quite consequential about

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Speaker 1: here be relevant for the TikTok thing as well.

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Speaker 3: Possibly, Yeah, certainly, it's going to be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Ban's curious to hear what Crystal thinks of this as well.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear what he had to say.

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Speaker 5: It's like fertilization. On fertilization, you so, I took the

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Speaker 2: So he says we have to have the three exceptions.

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Speaker 2: He's talking there about late term abortion. But really what

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Speaker 1: I don't think that this is an issue problem that

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Speaker 1: Even if you had if you had pulled previously, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the late term abortion talking point

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Speaker 2: And then the topics here of national bands and fear,

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Speaker 2: The second topic too, where Trump, again all over the place,

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what he said on Israel.

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Speaker 5: They're very bad for Israel. The Democrats are very bad

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Speaker 5: for Israel. Israel sticks with him. I guess Israel's loyal,

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Speaker 5: Biden is so bad for Israel. They should have never

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Speaker 6: President Biden has been a strong supporter of Israel because

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Speaker 5: If he were, If he were a supportive of Israel,

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Speaker 6: Well, Schumer is of course the top Jewish democrat in Washington,

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Speaker 5: Well, I think maybe he's forgotten it. He doesn't forget it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he dumped Israel. Later on in the interview Crystal,

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Speaker 4: Of course.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the idea that Biden hasn't stood strongly enough with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see, I mean, in theory, in a normal

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Speaker 4: To explain it that way.

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Speaker 2: As we said, it is the official start of the

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Speaker 5: I've seen the humanity, and these humanity. These are bad.

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Speaker 5: These are hardened criminals. Mexico has taken over a period

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Speaker 2: All right, So, Christal, those were the two controversial things

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Speaker 2: the things that he said to go after. But they

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Speaker 2: were so desperate, you know, for the blood bath comment.

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel about it as well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you listen to the whole context, he throws in

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Speaker 1: that thing at the end of leg and that'd be

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Speaker 1: the least of it, you know, which kind of like

446
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Speaker 1: muddles the comments and gives them a little bit of

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Speaker 1: something to stand on of legs.

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Speaker 4: He's talking about the country as all.

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Speaker 1: But obviously, if you're an ordinary person, you're reading those headlines,

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Speaker 1: you hear Trump, you know, says it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a bloodbath if he loses. You're thinking about January sixth,

452
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Speaker 1: you're thinking about political violence. You're not assuming that he was,

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Speaker 1: you know, building up to this with this whole long

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Speaker 1: rant about the auto industry and China taking our jobs,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. So I do think that's very misleading. And

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Speaker 1: you know, we played the comments that he just said

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Speaker 1: about immigrants, which are horrifying and disgusting on their own.

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Speaker 1: So when you mess around with the other comments that

459
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Speaker 1: he made and you muddle, intentionally muddle the meaning of them,

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Speaker 1: it gives you less credibility to talk about the things

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Speaker 1: that he says that, in my opinion, really should be

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Speaker 1: out of bounds, and just to address that drive. And

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Speaker 1: I do think that watching what's unfolding and Gaza has

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Speaker 1: made me perhaps more sensitive to this type of directly

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Speaker 1: dehumanizing language than perhaps I would be otherwise, because we

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Speaker 1: can see in real time what the potential atrocities and

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Speaker 1: results and horrors that unfold when you, you know, routinely dehumanize

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Speaker 1: a group of people. But you know it's fine, as

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Speaker 1: we do to have an argument about what the appropriate

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Speaker 1: immigration policy should be and what that should look like.

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Speaker 4: You shouldn't have to lie to.

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Speaker 1: Do that, which he is lying when he talks about, oh,

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Speaker 1: they're emptying their prisons and paints the entire immigrant migrant

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Speaker 1: population as a bunch of criminals and lunatics. The overwhelm

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Speaker 1: majority of people who are coming here, they're fleeing violence,

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Speaker 1: they're coming for economic reasons against You can debate how

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Speaker 1: many of those individuals have legitimate asylum claims and how

478
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Speaker 1: many should be let in what we should do, but

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't have to rely on lies to make the case.

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Speaker 1: And also you shouldn't have to rely on stoking false

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Speaker 1: fears of this existential threat of you know, this overwhelming

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Speaker 1: wave of criminal migrants in order to make your case either.

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Speaker 1: And so I do think that that is disgusting. I

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Speaker 1: think it's condemnable, and I think it's dangerous.

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Speaker 3: I think it's fair for you to say that.

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Speaker 2: I look, and I'm not going to defend what he said,

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Speaker 2: but I will at least like the political point.

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Speaker 3: What Trump's genius is always is he says the most

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Speaker 3: outrageous thing, and he gets people to say, no, no, no, no, actually,

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Speaker 3: some criminals are whatever, you know.

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Speaker 2: And then now you're actually talking within the frame of

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Speaker 2: migrant criminality and or the murder as you said of

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Speaker 2: Lake and Riley, which is what he was trying to raise.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I personally would like it if people debated things the

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Speaker 2: way that we do here and we can talk about

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Speaker 2: it in a respectful manner. But that's not how politics works, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, Everything is about seizing upon the most outrageous

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Speaker 2: and extreme example and using that in order to cast

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Speaker 2: your enemy. So I mean, personally, what I do think

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Speaker 2: at least is again I'm not defending it, but I

502
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Speaker 2: can only analyze in the politics of this is that

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Speaker 2: if you have a media outrage people being like, hey,

504
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Speaker 2: Trump says like migrants are not people, people are gonna

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Speaker 2: be like, well, hold on a second. You know, if

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Speaker 2: you watch the clip we're talking here about people who

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Speaker 2: are MS thirteen gang members, how you can again, you

508
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Speaker 2: can go and you can analyze and the number of

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Speaker 2: people who actually do commit crime or whatever. But you know,

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Speaker 2: in general, people do feel a certain different way about

511
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Speaker 2: people who are here illegally committing crime versus legal citizens,

512
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Speaker 2: because people are illegally shouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Have been here in the first place. And in general,

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Speaker 3: I think I.

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Speaker 2: Would say probably to his political benefit given the way

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Speaker 2: that people feel about the immigration crisis, regardless of whether

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Speaker 2: you think, well, he's.

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Speaker 4: Telling you to that, that's why he does it. That's

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Speaker 4: why he does it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the political benefit or optics or

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Speaker 1: whether it's good for him or bad for him. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about the morality of it. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: do think it's absolutely condemnable. You know, he catches you

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Speaker 1: in a trap because, on the one hand, if you

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Speaker 1: ignore the things that he is saying, right, if you

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Speaker 1: then that sort of rhetoric and you know, really disgusting,

527
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Speaker 1: dehumanizing rhetoric becomes normalized and almost accepted if you cover

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Speaker 1: it and you talk about it, and you say this

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Speaker 1: is condemnable and we should in fact condemn it, and

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Speaker 1: this shouldn't you know, listen, you have your first speech,

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Speaker 1: First Amendment speech rights, but you know it's decent moral people.

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Speaker 1: We shouldn't be in the business of dehumanizing immigrants. We

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be in the business, as he's also done, of

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Speaker 1: dehumanizing like leftists as vermin. We shouldn't be talking about

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Speaker 1: immigrants using Nazi language, which he doubled down again when

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Speaker 1: that Howard Kurtz interview that we played part of saying yes,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're poisoning the blood of the country, that

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Speaker 1: we shouldn't be doing that. Then you are sort of

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Speaker 1: playing on his turf because now, oh, what are we talking.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about immigration, and.

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Speaker 1: That's the issue where he's strong and where Biden's approval

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Speaker 1: ratings are the lowest. So he does politically catch you

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Speaker 1: in a trap, which, yeah, you're right, that's exactly why

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Speaker 1: he does it. But you also can't ignore the fact

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Speaker 1: that he has some you know, really hard line immigration

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Speaker 1: restrictionists in his circle, and that some of the policies

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Speaker 1: that he implemented last time around, you know which some

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Speaker 1: of them which, by the way, Biden continued, but he

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Speaker 1: is he is at least positioning himself to be even

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Speaker 1: more hardline this time. So it is legitimate to talk

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Speaker 1: about the way the rhetoric informs the actual policy decisions

552
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Speaker 1: as well. But I mean, you're right, Soccer, it is

553
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Speaker 1: definitely like a well laid political trap, and that's precisely

554
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Speaker 1: why he does it.

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember watching it because it was there was

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Speaker 2: some meaning. I think it was something about MS thirteen.

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Speaker 2: This is the first time I ever did the animal's comment.

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Speaker 2: It was in front of Nancy Pelosi. It sparked this

560
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Speaker 2: whole thing, and I just remember, like, man, they fall,

561
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Speaker 2: They go for it every time. In terms of how

562
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Speaker 2: it generally works out for him on this one, we

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Speaker 2: will see that. By the way, it's possible why that's

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Speaker 2: why the Biden administration decided to seize not necessarily on

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Speaker 2: the migrant comment, but on the quote unquote bloodbath thing,

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Speaker 2: to try and turn it into a thing. Here is

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Speaker 2: a perfect example of how the media ran with it.

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Speaker 2: We have Jensaki, the former Press secretary, on our new

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Speaker 2: MSNBC show, with the Biden campaigns communications director, both of

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Speaker 2: them trying to turn the blood bath thing into a

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Speaker 2: conversation around political violence, which is definitely ground where they

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Speaker 2: have benefited in the past.

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Speaker 3: Here's what they had to say.

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Speaker 10: What I heard was a continuation of the same rhetoric,

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Speaker 10: the same endorsement of political violence that we've seen from

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump four years. As you pointed out, it goes

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Speaker 10: even farther back, right. This is the same guy who,

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Speaker 10: after Nazis marched on Charlottesville and killed a woman, said

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Speaker 10: there were very fine people on both sides. Is the

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Speaker 10: same guy who in twenty twenty told the Proud Boys,

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Speaker 10: a white supremacist group, to stand back and stand by.

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Speaker 10: And now every single day on the stump, he is

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Speaker 10: championing and praising the insurrectionists who he encouraged to violently

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Speaker 10: storm the Capitol and an attempt to overthrow our democracy.

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Speaker 10: So it's not simply one comment. This is exactly who

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump is, and this is exactly the threat that

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Speaker 10: he poses to our democracy every single day. I think

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Speaker 10: the problem for Trump, though, is that the American people

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Speaker 10: saw what happened on January sixth, and they've responded consistently since.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 10: They responded in twenty twenty Twomocrats had the most successful

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Speaker 10: midterm cycle for democratic incumbent since FDR. They continued to

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Speaker 10: respond last year in states like Kentucky, Ohio, and Virginia

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Speaker 10: and the fall elections then, and they're continuing to respond

595
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Speaker 10: right now. That's why we're on our front foot heading

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Speaker 10: into this general election because the American people fundamentally understand

597
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Speaker 10: a what Joe Biden has done to fight on behalf

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Speaker 10: of the American people over the course of the last

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Speaker 10: three years. But they see every single day now the

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Speaker 10: threat that Donald Trump poses if he's able to regain power.

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Speaker 10: He is talking every single day about tearing down the

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Speaker 10: fabric of our democracy and enacting political revenge if he's

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Speaker 10: able to serve on a dictator on day one, as

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Speaker 10: he is promising to do so.

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Speaker 3: That was Michael Tyler.

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Speaker 2: He's the communications director very much trying to turn the

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Speaker 2: blood back, the blood bath thing into a major story.

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Speaker 2: So any and final thoughts here, Crystal in terms of

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Speaker 2: the media handling and all this, well, just.

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Speaker 1: To reiterate, I mean, Trump does talk all the time

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Speaker 1: about how he's going to pardon the people that were

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Speaker 1: there on January says, who we're convicted of crimes or whatever. Really,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to invent a context that didn't exist

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Speaker 1: for the bloodbath comments in order to make the case

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Speaker 1: that he's making there, and it undercuts your credibility in

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Speaker 1: the long run.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's move on to the legal part then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so a few key developments that continue to benefit

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump in his push to not necessarily beat the

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Speaker 1: charges against him, but just delay them until after the election,

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Speaker 1: which has always been his goal. So first we have

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Speaker 1: an update out of Georgio. He can put this up

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Speaker 1: on the screen. So we recall there were a lot

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Speaker 1: of questions about potential conflict of interest after it was

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Speaker 1: revealed that Fanny Willis was having a personal relationship with

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Speaker 1: Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade, whom she had a point in,

627
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Speaker 1: who had also been paid hundreds of thousands of dollars

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Speaker 1: in the context of this prosecution.

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Speaker 4: So basically what a judge.

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Speaker 1: Found here was that the evidence presented did not fully

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Speaker 1: meet the bar of a conflict of interest, but said, nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: and this is you know, my layman's version or re

633
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Speaker 1: of what he had to say, This looks bad enough

634
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Speaker 1: that one of y'all needs to go. So Nathan Wade

635
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Speaker 1: has now resigned, allowing the Fulton County DA Fanny Willis

636
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Speaker 1: to move ahead with this Trump case. This resignation came

637
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Speaker 1: hours after a judge rule that either he or District

638
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Speaker 1: Attorney Fanny Willis had to withdraw from the prosecution of

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Speaker 1: Trump to move forward. Wade tendered his resignation in a

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Speaker 1: letter to Willis. It is still possible to see my

641
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Speaker 1: cat in the background. Both the animals are in here,

642
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Speaker 1: so this could get a little wild, but it is

643
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Speaker 1: still possible that the Trump side could appeal, so this

644
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Speaker 1: could get dragged down either even further. Given sager how

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Speaker 1: bad this all looked, this is perhaps the best result

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Speaker 1: that Fanny Willis could have expected at this point that

647
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't fully rule that it was completely a conflict

648
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Speaker 1: of interest that they would allow it to continue if

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Speaker 1: you just have one or the other of them resigned,

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Speaker 1: so that is you know, indeed where we are with this.

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Speaker 1: But again calls into question when this trial is going

652
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Speaker 1: to get going, when this is going to get moved forward,

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Speaker 1: and is yet another delay in a key case for him.

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Speaker 2: Yes, as you said, so the Trump team can still

655
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Speaker 2: decide whether to appeal this decision or not.

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Speaker 3: It's probably for the benefit.

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Speaker 2: I think that mister Wade has gone big question though

658
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: about whether and what happened to some of that money

659
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Speaker 2: that he was paid by the state, nearly seven hundred

660
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: or so thousand dollars, and then the reimbursement questions that

661
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: surround Fanny Willis herself. Nonetheless, I can't help but think

662
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: you know this is going to be I mean, let's

663
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: say it does go to trial, and assuming it will

664
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Speaker 2: go to trial, at least sometime before the election, you

665
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: were going to hear quite a bit about this from

666
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: the defense in terms of their argument about political prosecution.

667
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: And I don't think you can at least deny that,

668
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of what was going on behind

669
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: the scenes there with her own personal affairs and conduct,

670
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: isn't at least going to factor into the public and

671
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: then the private case where Trump and his lawyers would

672
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: make to a jury about why there should be some

673
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: reasonable doubt into why he was being prosecuted. Another thing

674
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: that happened while you were gone, Crystal, I'm not sure

675
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: if you saw is that the legal charges had been

676
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: dropped or had been forced out by the judge, specifically

677
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: relating to that Jeff phone call, which is the most

678
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: memorable part. Now, remember the lawyers in the DA's office

679
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: said that they were going to regrant jury those charges

680
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: to try and reissue them to fall within the scope

681
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: of RICO and of the case. But a point that

682
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: Ryan and I were trying to make is that if

683
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: you couple this, you have the appeals and then you

684
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: have the regrand jury process that they all have to

685
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: go through. This is months and months and months on end,

686
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: which gets us to the question, and I think a

687
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: reasonable question at this point is this thing even going

688
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: to go to trial before November. I honestly, I would

689
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: probably at this point bet money against it, just because, look,

690
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: you do have the former president. You have all these

691
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: crazy legal questions that have to get resolved at the

692
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: Supreme Court, where even when they're on an expedited timeline,

693
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: it takes forever. Here we have this state law case

694
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: which is a total mess now gone awry, with her

695
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: own personal conduct and with all the appellate and the

696
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: money that they are able to throw at this, they're

697
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: going to try and drag it as long as possible,

698
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: and I honestly think they'll probably.

699
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: Be victorious at least in pushing this particular case, which at.

700
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: The beginning was the strongest against him, one of the

701
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: very strongest actual election cases, not the document's case that

702
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: was against Trump that.

703
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 3: He was facing.

704
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: It caused some of the biggest legal hurdles for him

705
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: because it's a state case.

706
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 4: So I mean there's two pieces there.

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00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: At number one, he can't if he is elected president

708
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: just you know, pardon himself for these charges.

709
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: Because of state. And second, because.

710
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Speaker 1: States are by and large passed.

711
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 4: With running elections.

712
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Speaker 1: The fact that this was a state criminal charges gave

713
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: it some strength where some of the federal charges, especially

714
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Speaker 1: with regard to January sixth, the Jacksmith prosecution there, you know,

715
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: it is a little more of a novel interpretation of

716
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: the law, etc. But I agree with you at this

717
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: point the layser stacking up entirely possible that this one

718
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: doesn't go to trial before November, and the case in

719
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: New York with regards to hush money has now also

720
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: been delayed.

721
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 4: AND's put this up on the screen. So this is weird.

722
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: There was apparently this like last minute massive document jump,

723
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand pages of records that just came into

724
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: play here, and so even the prosecution said, we got

725
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: to delay this thing at least thirty days. So you

726
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: can see the New York Times headline here, judge delays

727
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: Trump's Manhattan trail until at least mid April. The judge

728
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: scheduled hearing from March twenty fifth, the day the trial

729
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: had been scheduled again to consider Donald Trump's requests to

730
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: further delay or dismiss the case. There's a lot of

731
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: questions here about why these documents were so late in coming.

732
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: These tens of thousands of pages of documents came from

733
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Speaker 1: federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York in

734
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. They had investigated the same hush money situation

735
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Speaker 1: with regards to Michael Cohen. That was the investigation that

736
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: led to his guilty please, so they had all this

737
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: relevant stuff. I don't know why it took so long

738
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: for it to be requested or turned over, et cetera.

739
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: But you know, this case, which is the weakest I

740
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: think most people agree, of the cases, and has the

741
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: lowest level of charges felony charge associated with it, it

742
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: looked like it was going to be the first one

743
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: to go. It looked like that was going to start imminently.

744
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: And now big question Marcus, so whether when that one

745
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: begins as well. So even this what's been called like

746
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: the stepchild case, even this one has now been significantly

747
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: pushed back and don't know when it's going to start.

748
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so ridiculous.

749
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: I mean, with all of these cases, it's just the validation.

750
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 2: This is where I almost am sympathetic to the resistance

751
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: libs who are screaming at Merret Garland.

752
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 3: They're like, why don't you indict him?

753
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: I'm like, look, and I have the boast world, world,

754
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 2: why didn't you indict him? Why didn't you indict him

755
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, that's when it was on the

756
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: public's mind. That's when you can resolve this question. They

757
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,959
Speaker 2: didn't resolve that. Whether they waited for three years even

758
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 2: file charges, and even when remember whenever those charges were filed.

759
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: I think you can even go back and look, some

760
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: of us, I know, we even mentioned that, we're like, hey,

761
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: these cases take a long time, Like it's a big

762
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: question mark whether you're going to get this stuff before

763
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 2: the court in November, you're going to prosecute a president,

764
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: specifically the Jack Smith case for example, right, that has

765
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: all these crazy constitutional questions about presidential immunity and what

766
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: does it mean.

767
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: Already had two Supreme Court cases on that question.

768
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: We're going to have even more likely in the future.

769
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: Not to mention Appella cases. Even though there is a

770
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: conviction here in Georgia, it was the same thing they

771
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: took forever. That's where I have to come back to

772
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: the grand jury thing. I mean, do you remember Christal

773
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: when we played the four women of that grand jury?

774
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 3: That was like a year ago.

775
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: That's how long ago that the grand jury process had taken.

776
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: We're still not at a point where the case is

777
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: even thinking about going to trial anytime in the interim,

778
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: and now you have this stormy Daniels like you know,

779
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: the hush money case, same thing, they're running into legal troubles.

780
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: It really does validate a lot of the early criticisms

781
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: there where if they were going to charge them, they

782
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: should have a long time ago, because now not only

783
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: does it look political because it is, but then you know,

784
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: in terms of the legal timeline, you've set this country

785
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: up for a nightmare. What the hell are we going

786
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: to do when this man goes if he is elected

787
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: president elect of the United States and his ass is

788
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 2: on trial, what.

789
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: Are we going to do? I mean, it will be madness,

790
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: literal madness.

791
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: If he's about to go and take the oath of

792
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: office coming from a damn courtroom, or if he's in handcuffs.

793
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean, at this point you're just looking at chaos

794
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: because now, at the earliest you could actually have some

795
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: of these cases unfolding right as people are literally voting.

796
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: So I mean, the delay in pointing Jack Smith to

797
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: me is the most mind boggling. I also don't understand

798
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: why this Georgia prosecution took so long to spin up,

799
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: but you know, state bureaucracy, whatever, who knows why it

800
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: took so long, But that one did as well. And

801
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: then with Jack Smith, you know, on the January sixth stuff,

802
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: we all saw it happen. If you thought there were

803
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: criminal charges, you should have got right on that. The

804
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: document's case a little more understandable because that one was

805
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: unfolding and they had to wait for him to commit

806
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: the crimes and refuse to comply and you know, obstract

807
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: et cetera. Before you could put that case together, but

808
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: it does give credence both to you know, those who said, listen,

809
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: you should have gone after him from the jump, and

810
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: I think also those who say you were waiting to

811
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: see if he was going to run, and then once

812
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: he did, that's when you're like, all right, well, then

813
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: we got to slap the charges on you that it

814
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 1: was like a very directly political decision, which it's hard

815
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: to explain the delay without assuming that that was at

816
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: least part of the calculation that was going on. So

817
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: just to you know, put put a pin on or

818
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: underscore some of the comments you were making about the

819
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: various cases, we pulled this article. You can put this

820
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: up on the screen about the way that delays are

821
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: racking up in all of the different cases. So you've

822
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: got they say neither of Trump's two federal prosecutions in

823
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: Florida and DC are guaranteed for trial this year, in

824
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: part because of his efforts to all the procceins. Well,

825
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: of course he's going to do that. That's obvious, right,

826
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: that's his right to do it too. By the way,

827
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: Georgia election interference trial has not been scheduled. That case

828
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: was rocked Friday by judges ruling, prompting and Special Prosecutor

829
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: Nathan Wade to step aside.

830
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 4: That's what we're just discussing. Trump's trial in Florida.

831
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: That's the document's case had been set for May twentieth,

832
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: but it's been clear for months that date would not hold,

833
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: as the judge has waged multiple challenges to the indictment

834
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: of various evidentiary disputes.

835
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 4: That's the judge, Aileen Cannon.

836
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: Who seems to be sort of most favorable towards him,

837
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: most inclined to hear him out and accede to his

838
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: wishes with regards to delays, they say, we very much

839
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: believe a trial that takes place before the election is

840
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 1: a mistake and should not happen. That's the Trump team.

841
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: The easy solution is to start this trial after the election.

842
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: That's the case they're making there. Trump's DC case, those

843
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: are the ones involving allegations he plotted it over from

844
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election had been seen as the most

845
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: likely one to reach trial first, but that is no

846
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: longer the case. US District Judge Tanya Chutkin had scheduled

847
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: to trial from March fourth, but that was upended by

848
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: Trump appeal contending he was immune from prosecution for official acts.

849
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 4: Take it in the White House.

850
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: That is the piece at the Supreme Court has said

851
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: they are going to take up now. They're going to

852
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: take that up on a somewhat expedited timeline, but that

853
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: is still going to take some significant time. We don't

854
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: know exactly how much to resolve. And then it will

855
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: take a further amount of time after that, as the

856
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: judge has indicated.

857
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 4: To go ahead and schedule the trial start date.

858
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: So you know, in every single instance, he seems to

859
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: be having a lot of success in pushing these trial

860
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: dates back and back and back. And I guess it

861
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: shouldn't be surprised, just knowing the way that our justice

862
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: system works like.

863
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 4: It's not speedy, it does take time.

864
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: There are a lot of appeals, There are a lot

865
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: of objections you can throw up if you want to

866
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: muck up the works, and you know, push things off

867
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: and push things off and push things off. There are

868
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: a lot of avenues, especially if you're a former president

869
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: with you know, a large amount of money to throw

870
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: at these legal challenges. There are a lot of avenues

871
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: you can pursue to try to push things off into

872
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: the future.

873
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 4: So it's what it looks like right now.

874
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: And I do think that perhaps Democrats are starting to

875
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: reckon with the fact that these prosecutions are not going

876
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 1: to save them. They're not going to be the silver

877
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: bullet that perhaps some of them may have imagined that

878
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: they're going to have to actually defeat Donald Trump, and

879
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: so they're seizing on bloodbath comments and whatnot.

880
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 4: To try to make that case.

881
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: Let me tell you DEM's bloodbaths and legal it ain't

882
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: going to save you. At the same time, wanted to

883
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: give everybody an update on the Boeing whistleblower situation. We

884
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: brought everybody the news previously that the major Boeing whistleblower

885
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: in the midst of an investigation into the company, had

886
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: been found dead in an alleged suicide. We are now

887
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: getting some information though, to possibly expand this into a

888
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 2: criminal investigation. Let's put this up there on the screen.

889
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: According to the Boeing whistleblower, a close family friend of

890
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: the job of John Barnett said that he predicted that

891
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: he would wind up dead and that a story would

892
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: surface that he had killed himself. At the time, he

893
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: told his friend not to believe it. He says, quote

894
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: she says, quote I know he did not commit suicide.

895
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: There is no way, and that he had told her

896
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: allegedly quote if anything happens, it is not suicide. She

897
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: says that she has known him for a long time

898
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: over the years, get togethers, etcetera, etcetera, for more than

899
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: thirty years, that she had followed his career, and that

900
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: one day, whenever he needed help and he came to

901
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: see her, they had talked specifically about his upcoming deposition

902
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: in Charleston where he was found dead, and said that

903
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: she after he had filed an extremely damaging complaint, he

904
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: had specifically raised the possibility that he could have been murdered.

905
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: So this is pretty extraordinary testimony there, Crystal. And this

906
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 2: has expanded into major inquiry across the nation as we've

907
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: seen a spate of more recent incidents with Boeing. Would

908
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: just our team put together graphic, let's put it up

909
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: there on the screen. I mean, this is donning. This

910
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 2: is just in the last few months. So it started

911
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: January fifth, after the Alaska Airlines door plug blew out,

912
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: but even just look at you know, the last week

913
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 2: or week and a half or so on March fourth,

914
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: United Airlines an engine burst into flame right after takeoff

915
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: from Houston, forcing an emergency landing.

916
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 3: All of these involved going.

917
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 4: By the way.

918
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: March seventh, a tire fell off Fromancis and San Francisco

919
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: International Airport and returned to the San Francisco Airport. March eighth,

920
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: a plane rolled off the taxiway into the grass during

921
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: its landing. March eleventh, there was a midair hydraulic leak

922
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: which forced takeoff come back to Sydney. March eleventh, there

923
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 2: was a major incident where a number of passengers were injured.

924
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: Latamp Airlines where there was a nose dive in the

925
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: movement of a flight deck seat, and then on March thirteenth,

926
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: a tire blew out taking off from DFW Airport.

927
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 3: Now, some of these.

928
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: May appear more routine, and maybe they're just getting increased scrutiny,

929
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: but nonetheless the scrutiny is well deserved because of the

930
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: current criminal investigation into Bone and now the death of

931
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: this whistleblower who we played previously video of him noting

932
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: all of the problems inside of the Boeing company that

933
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: led to the quality setbacks. Not only that we saw

934
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: in the previous investigation, but now the current investigation to

935
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: what the hell happened with the last airlines Crystal.

936
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 4: It's mighty convenient for Boeing that this man is dead.

937
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: That's true.

938
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 4: That's all I'll say.

939
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: Mighty convenient for them because think of how much they

940
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: have to lose. And John Barnett was very credible. In fact,

941
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: some of the previous allegations that he had made had

942
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: been backed up by investigations. For example, he had said

943
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: that sometimes they would pull hearts that had been deemed nonconforming,

944
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: you know, that were defective in some way.

945
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 4: They would pull parts off.

946
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: Of the scrap heap, and they would install them, and

947
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: lo and behold. When they did an investigation, Boeing was

948
00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: unable to locate dozens of non conforming arts.

949
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 4: That are supposed to be specifically tracked.

950
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: For exactly this reason, we're now seeing with regard to

951
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: the incident of the door plug coming out mid air

952
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: and endangering the lives of every single person on board

953
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: that plane. Oh, the surveillance footage of you know, the

954
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: maintenance that occurred on that is gone.

955
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 4: It's been taped over.

956
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: And oh, somehow we can't locate the records about the

957
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: maintenance that happened with that door plug. So this is

958
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: an incredibly preperious moment for Boeing, for their executives, for

959
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: everyone who has been involved in recent decision making. And

960
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, some of those problems are becoming increasingly manifest

961
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: from a business perspective, put this up on the screensat

962
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: where you really flag this as quite significant. United has said, hey,

963
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: we're out stop making these max tens.

964
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 4: We don't want them right now.

965
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: The plane maker has agreed to build mac nines instead.

966
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: The airline confirms it's in talks to substitute some Airbus

967
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: A three twenty one's instead. So I mean this is

968
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: quickly escalating into a It's already a massive issue for them.

969
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: And because John Barnett had such specific knowledge, because he

970
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: had worked there for so many years, because some of

971
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: his claims had already checked out, I think he in

972
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: particular was a real problem for them, And there needs

973
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: to be a fulsome and independent investigation into the circumstances

974
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:33,479
Speaker 1: surrounding his death.

975
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this also what jumps out to mean from

976
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: reading about Barnett is he loved the company and he

977
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 2: worked there for a long time. He was a whistleblower

978
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: because he was so upset at the cost cutting maneuvers

979
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: that were taking place that he felt was undermining safety

980
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: for the aircraft and for their customers and ultimately for passengers.

981
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: And we know, let's not a RaSE too. This is

982
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: becoming a major business problem already. The United Airlines CEO

983
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: has had to issue like auneral call to all passengers.

984
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 3: He's like, don't worry.

985
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: I know we've had a lot of problems recently. Everything's

986
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: going to be okay. Don't worry about it. Even if

987
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: you're flying on a Boeing aircraft, everything will be fine.

988
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 3: I personally am seen.

989
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 2: I've had friends who've been flying on the seven thirty

990
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: seven Max, nines and tens and you know, posting on

991
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 2: Instagram being like, that's it, everybody, I'll see you later.

992
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 3: I guess this is my last flight.

993
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 2: I mean, this has really entered into the public consciousness

994
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 2: and to the flying public, where previously, I mean, who

995
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: the hellill even knew. Most people don't even know what

996
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: type about aircraft that they're stepping onto. They just get

997
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: on the plane and they go where they're supposed to.

998
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: Anytime you're entering that way in a negative association is

999
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 2: really terrible for your company.

1000
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: The other thing I want to come.

1001
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: Back to is that what this is again is exposed,

1002
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: which we talked about previously, is exactly what Barnett warned about,

1003
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: which is that the Boeing pursuit of shareholder profit has

1004
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: dramatically undermined the performance at a hardware level of the company.

1005
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: Is that they sold off Spirit Aerosystems, which is the

1006
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: supplier that made that door plug. Here's that there was

1007
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: a problem both on the Spirit aero System's side and

1008
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: on the Boeing side in terms of quality checks. We've

1009
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 2: had a complete lack of government regulation where Boeing is

1010
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: allowed to self certify its own planes for safety, which

1011
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: is insane.

1012
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 3: I mean, how can you possibly have assistems like this?

1013
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 3: You know, we were.

1014
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: Thinking Christal, We were like, hey, has the Secretary of Transportation,

1015
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: Pete budage Edge, you know, said or done anything about

1016
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 2: this beyond the cursory No, not really, So where the

1017
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: hell is Pete?

1018
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 3: That's another big question too.

1019
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: That's a constant question for me. He's in power, which

1020
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: is very unfortunate. That's where he is. I also have

1021
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: to highlight this psychotic really truly sociopathic headline from the

1022
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: New York Times about this whole situation. Listen to this

1023
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: is from January thirtieth. But nonetheless, I wanted to highlight

1024
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: the way that these things are thought of. Boeing faces

1025
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: tricky balance between safety and financial performance.

1026
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 4: Tricky balance, right, do we keep people alive or do

1027
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 4: we maximize our shareholder returns? I don't know, so hard

1028
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 4: to say. It's a tricky balance that we have to strike.

1029
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: And of course, the unfortunate reality soccers we see that

1030
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: they were not striking that balance at all. They were

1031
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: moving explicitly in the direction of financial performance. That's how

1032
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: a nicky Haley gets on the board there. You know,

1033
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: Boeing moved a significant part of its airline assembly to

1034
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: South Carolina because of their you know, their right to

1035
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 1: work status and the fact that they were so anti labor.

1036
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: That was a big part of drawing them to the state.

1037
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: That is where John Burnett worked and you know, was

1038
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: observing these failures in terms of safety and making sure

1039
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: that every plane was assembled incredibly precisely, in making sure

1040
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: that it was really safe. And then you're right to

1041
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: point too, also, this isn't this is a Boeing issue.

1042
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: Of course, it is an industry wide issue in a

1043
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: lot of ways, and it is a government regulatory issue

1044
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: because you can't let the fox guard the Henhouse. And

1045
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it happened here over years and for

1046
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: bipartisan administrations. Trump did push through some a further FAA deregulation,

1047
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: but this has been a trend multi decades in the making.

1048
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 4: It is you're right, absolutely insane.

1049
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: That Boeing would be able to self certify the safety

1050
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: of their planes. But that's precisely the way that many

1051
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: of these agencies have the direction that many of these

1052
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: agencies have gone over the neoliberal era where they outsource expertise.

1053
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: They no longer have either the funding or the technical

1054
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: know how to really do these functions themselves, and so

1055
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: they just assume industry is going to be honest, with

1056
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: sometimes completely catastrophic consequences.

1057
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 3: That's right.

1058
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: So huge developments with regards to a war really now

1059
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: between BB Netanyahu of Israel and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer.

1060
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: Schumer had suggested in comments that will show you a

1061
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: portion of in a moment that there should be a

1062
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: new government in Israel, really condemning BB and citing him

1063
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: directly as an obstacle to peace. Bob do take too

1064
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: kindly to this, but he was pressed on those comments

1065
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: on CNN over the weekend.

1066
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to this exchange.

1067
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 9: That's what I really want to focus on here is

1068
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 9: Senator Schumer not calling to sort of topple the government,

1069
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 9: but specifically says, when the war winds down, will you

1070
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 9: commit to calling new elections? That's my question, will.

1071
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:29,959
Speaker 7: You Donna two thirds? First of all, what you said

1072
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 7: is wrong. The vast majority of Israelis oppose early elections

1073
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 7: until the war doesn't end. We've just had many polls

1074
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 7: on that. Look a lot of the polls are you

1075
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 7: know are twist L.

1076
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 9: Twelve says Channel twelve says sixty percent of Israelis, but actions.

1077
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 7: Show that's not.

1078
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 3: No.

1079
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 7: I'm afraid that they asked them the question do you

1080
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 7: supported during the war and they said no.

1081
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 9: That's not what he's calling for new elections when the

1082
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 9: war winds down.

1083
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 7: Well, we'll see when we win the war. And until

1084
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 7: we win the war, I think Israelis understand that if

1085
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 7: we were to have elections now before the war is won.

1086
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 7: Resoundedly one, we would have at least six months of

1087
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 7: national paralysis, which means we would lose the war. If

1088
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 7: we don't win the war, we lose the war, and

1089
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 7: that would be not only a defeat for Israel, but

1090
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 7: a defeat for America too, because our victory is your victory.

1091
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 7: We're fighting these barbarians.

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Speaker 9: Commit to new elections when the war wint down.

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00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 7: That everything that we hold dear together.

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00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 9: Will you commit to new elections?

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Speaker 7: I think that's something for the Israeli public to decide.

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Speaker 9: And the reason why the world is shifting in public

1097
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 9: sentiment is the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. Organizations call what

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00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 9: they are seeing near famine in Gaza. So why won't

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Speaker 9: you allow more food trucks to drive through the border

1100
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 9: crossings into Gaza to feed starving civilians while you continue

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00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 9: to take out the terrorists in hamas.

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Speaker 7: Well. Our policy is to do exactly that, and in fact,

1103
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 7: we've been abled our policies do not to have famine,

1104
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 7: but to have the entry of humanitarian support as needed

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00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 7: and as much as is needed.

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Speaker 1: He is such an incredible liar there in that last part.

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00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen that babies and young children are

1108
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: literally starving to death. The toll as we know is

1109
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: now in the dozens. We know there are AID trucks

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00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: lined up. We know even standard Democratic senators like Chris

1111
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: van Holland are calling out Israel for blocking aid. And also,

1112
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: by the way, Van Holland just in some pretty noteworthy

1113
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,479
Speaker 1: comments said it was absolute nonsense the attacks on UNRA,

1114
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: which is the primary aid organization.

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Speaker 4: On the ground.

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Speaker 1: But to get back to the Schumer comments, let me

1117
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: play you a little bit of what Chuck Schumer had

1118
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: said on the floor and what was a very lengthy speech,

1119
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: and then I'll react to what he said and to

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00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: Bebe's response to that, Let's take a listen to Chuck Schumann.

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Speaker 11: Five months into this conflict, it is clear that Israelis

1122
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 11: need to take stock of the situation and ask must

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Speaker 11: we change course at this critical juncture. I believe a

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00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 11: new election is the only way to allow for a

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Speaker 11: healthy and open decision making process about the future of

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00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 11: Israel at a time when so many Israelis have lost

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00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 11: their confidence in the vision and direction of their government.

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Speaker 11: I also believe a majority of the Israeli public will

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00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 11: recognize the need for change, and I believe that holding

1130
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 11: a new election once the war starts to wind down

1131
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 11: would give Israelis an opportunity to express their vision for

1132
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 11: the post war future.

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00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 3: Of course, the.

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00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 11: United States cannot dictate the outcome of an election, nor

1135
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 11: should we try. That is for the Israeli public to decide,

1136
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Speaker 11: so Sager.

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Speaker 1: On the one hand, it's very noteworthy for Chuck Schumer.

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Speaker 4: I believe he is the.

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00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: Most powerful Jewish person in DC elected official in DC,

1140
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: long time staunch pro Israel. You know, he even was

1141
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: against the Obama nuclear deal. For example, he didn't criticize

1142
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: BIB when BB came and gave that speech over the

1143
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: objections of Democrats sort of undermining the Obama administration with

1144
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: regard to their Ronnie and nuclear deal. So it is

1145
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: no doubt extraordinarily noteworthy for him to come out so

1146
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: directly against BB, to cite him as a primary obstacle

1147
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: to peace, to call for new elections after the war.

1148
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: That is a significant and noteworthy shift from Chuck Schumer

1149
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: that I think both reflects the horror of the undeniable

1150
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: humanitarian crisis that is unfolding, and in particular the massive

1151
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: political pressure that has been applied to Democrats to the

1152
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 1: Biden administration, and also the fact that Listen a majority

1153
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: of Jewish Americans want to cease fire. An overwhelming majority

1154
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: of Israelis do want Netnaho gone and think very poorly

1155
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: of him.

1156
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 4: On the other hand, it continues.

1157
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: To be very convenient for Biden and Schumer and other

1158
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: liberal Zionists to just point to Netna who, like, all

1159
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: the problem is just you know, a few bad apples,

1160
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: and if we just got a you know, more quote

1161
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: unquote moderate government in there, everything would be better, everything

1162
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: would be different.

1163
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 4: It's also very convenient to.

1164
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: Just give a speech rather than using the incredible, you know,

1165
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: tools of policy, money and diplomatic leverage in order to

1166
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: actually compel different behavior from the Israeli government. The last thing,

1167
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: and I'll say here is you know, in some ways

1168
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm curious your thoughts on this Sagur. In some ways

1169
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: this really plays into Phoebe's hands because even his you know,

1170
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: potential opposition, Benny Gama, distance himself from these comments because

1171
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: he can go out there and say what he did

1172
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: to Dana Bash even though you know, we laugh at

1173
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: the idea that Israel doesn't try to meddle in our politics,

1174
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: but hey, we're a sovereign country, Like, who are you

1175
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: to tell us what we need to do and how

1176
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: we need to run our government into medal in our

1177
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: domestic political affairs. So those are some of my thoughts.

1178
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 2: What was your reaction, Yeah, I mean I actually think

1179
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: that well, first of all, yeah, I think you're correct

1180
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: in terms of the domestic side. In terms of whether

1181
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: this is actually going to change anything, No, I mean

1182
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: what exactly is happening. Nothing in terms of actual effect

1183
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: on the Netsannahu government in terms of change of policy.

1184
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: That said, in Tel Aviv, I would hope that this

1185
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: actually is a wake up call.

1186
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

1187
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: For example, Barakravid, reporting from Israel, quote Senate Majority leader

1188
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 2: Truck Shumer speech calling for a new government landed like

1189
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: an earthquake, delivering a huge shock to the already tense

1190
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 2: US Israel relationship. He says, specifically, in points to the

1191
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: fact that since Schumer is understood in Israel as one

1192
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: of the great friends of the country, that for him

1193
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: to call for a change in government with seismic But

1194
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 2: what you pointed to is very important about Benny, about

1195
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 2: Gans as well, distancing himself from the comments, and former

1196
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Nef Tally Bennett as well, is that The

1197
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: fact is is that they are all trying to preserve

1198
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: their ability to operate in the way that they whatever

1199
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Speaker 2: they want with us backing. So they're rhetorically trying to

1200
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: shift to this idea of like, hey, how dare you

1201
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: tell us what to do? And it's like, well, you know,

1202
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 2: if we gave you no money, then maybe you would

1203
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: have a point. But whenever, we're the guarantee of your

1204
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 2: security and have been now for decades, and we sell

1205
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: you the vast majority of your weapons, And where.

1206
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 3: Was iron doome invented? Actually?

1207
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: Oh right, Okay, well then no, it is a little

1208
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: bit different, and maybe we can and we should tell

1209
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: you what to do. That's kind of where I take

1210
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 2: issue with where it is politically.

1211
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 3: I think you're right.

1212
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 2: I think this will become the mainstream position of the

1213
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: Democratic Party is like, well BB himself has to go.

1214
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Speaker 2: I do want to say. I mean, it's not like

1215
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: a change in government. I'm not saying everything would change,

1216
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 2: but I think some things would change. I think if

1217
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: gance was you know, for example, I've said this before,

1218
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: I do think a ceasefire would be more likely because

1219
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 2: you wouldn't necessarily have the same political incentive that BB

1220
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 2: does to have the war going. I think actually, perhaps

1221
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 2: most importantly for our purposes, the idea of an expanded

1222
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: war in Lebanon would at least be likely dramatically reduced

1223
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: because there is no direct political incentive at least to

1224
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: continue the war after.

1225
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 3: Any operations in Gaza.

1226
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Speaker 2: So I wouldn't say that there aren't very very big

1227
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Speaker 2: substantive changes that would come as a result. And the

1228
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: problem though is that if we still ultimately are not

1229
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: going to reach for any leverage, then you can rhetorically

1230
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: be against the BB government, but he'll still support the

1231
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,479
Speaker 2: BB government and he's not going to voluntarily resign anytime soon.

1232
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: If anything, the longer that this goes, the better off

1233
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 2: it is for him. And that dynamic, I mean, I

1234
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 2: don't know that there is much we can do about

1235
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,479
Speaker 2: that without actually conditioning and changing AID. And when both

1236
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 2: Schumer and Biden have said that that's off the table,

1237
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: than the de facto is basically the same one as Trump,

1238
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 2: where we just support the government.

1239
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's exactly right.

1240
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that nothing would change if

1241
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: you had Benny Gantz running the government, you'd probably have

1242
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: a different coalition. As you said, you know, may not

1243
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: include Ben Gevere or Smotrich some of the most you know,

1244
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: absolute genocidal psychomaniacs that exists. But we also have to

1245
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: reckon with the fact that this war and the way

1246
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: that it has been prosecuted, in all of its horror

1247
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: and brutality, is very popular domestically in Israel. Phoebe's not popular,

1248
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: you know. When he tries to act like he is

1249
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: and like people want him to be there and they

1250
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: don't want elections, that's a lie. And Dana Bash did

1251
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: a good job of catching him in that particular lie,

1252
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: both in saying you're misquoting what Schumer or misunderstanding what

1253
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: Schumer was saying because he specifically said after the war,

1254
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: and also you're you know, misrepresenting what the people of

1255
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: your own country want, because there is an overwhelming majority

1256
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: that wants new elections after the war is through, and

1257
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: there's a good number that want those elections to occur now.

1258
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: But it's not because they think the war has been

1259
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: too brutal. There is some dissent with regard to prioritizing

1260
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: quote unquote destroying Hamas, which we know is impossible and

1261
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: is you know, fanciful and was always wishful thinking from

1262
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: the beginning and the release of the hostages. So there,

1263
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, there are tensions there. And perhaps if you

1264
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: had a Gance who was in charge of the government,

1265
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: had a different coalition, he would be more sympathetic to

1266
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: the hostage families and their allies who prioritize cease fire

1267
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 1: in order to obtain the release of the hostages over

1268
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: continuing the absolute annihilation of the Gaza strip. But what

1269
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: these comments don't reckon with is number one, the fact

1270
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: that we have massive power that we're choosing not to

1271
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: use instead just using these you know, rhetorical flourishes or

1272
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: these leaks to the press or whatever to signal large

1273
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 1: displeasure while not actually doing anything about it. And number

1274
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: two the fact that yeah, domestically in Israel, the war,

1275
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: the prosecution of the war, brutality of the war, the

1276
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: complete annihilation. We know the numbers. It is overwhelmingly popular.

1277
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Speaker 1: So to just pin the way this has gone down

1278
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: on bib in his right wing government, it's very convenient,

1279
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: and I think it allows Democrats a talking point to

1280
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: posture like they care about the humanitarian crisis and they

1281
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: really care about what's happening to civilians in Gaza while

1282
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: not actually doing anything that will change the results. I

1283
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: also want to dig further into this umbrage that bib

1284
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: at Al are taking at the idea, Oh, how dare

1285
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: you meddle in our domestic political polity, our domestic politics.

1286
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 4: We would never do that to you.

1287
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to this is an Israeli government

1288
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: spokesperson Tahl Heinrich making that case to Newsmax.

1289
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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to what she has to say.

1290
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Speaker 12: I'll address what Schumor said there at these statements.

1291
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 4: You know, Israel is a sovereign country.

1292
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 12: Word democracy, this concept where the citizens choose.

1293
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 4: Who leads them the government.

1294
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 12: And right now, in case someone hasn't noticed, we have

1295
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 12: a unity government in place. We don't intervene in American politics,

1296
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 12: and we expect to be treated with the same respect.

1297
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Speaker 12: The unity government and the war cabinet that we have

1298
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 12: in place. Right now, then the Prime Minister who leads

1299
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 12: them really represent what the overwhelming majority of Israelis want

1300
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 12: to see, and that is a total victory over Hamas.

1301
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 12: We want to see all hostages back home. We want

1302
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 12: to see the elimination of this terrorist organization. We want

1303
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 12: to make sure that Goadza will never ever pose a

1304
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Speaker 12: terror threat to us again. You'll remember very well that

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Speaker 12: right after nine to eleven, when Osama bin Laden and

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Speaker 12: radical Islamist attack the United States, the civilized world closed

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Speaker 12: ranks and rallied behind the United States and President George W.

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Speaker 2: Bush.

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Speaker 12: Back then, he said, it's either you're with us or

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Speaker 12: you're with a terrorists. Twenty years later, we asked the

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Speaker 12: same question.

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Speaker 1: I love how she sites that favorably as an example.

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Speaker 1: You know, like we didn't say you should have new elections.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe you should have. Maybe you should have said, well,

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Speaker 1: what you're doing is insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. I mean, by the way, Bebe was

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Speaker 3: a staunch advocate of the war in Iraq. A lot

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Speaker 3: of people forget that.

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Speaker 2: He testified before Congress Act by how we would be

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Speaker 2: greeted as liberators and all that. Of course, because he

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Speaker 2: wants to get us involved in the region, and he

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Speaker 2: wanted us to fight Iran on their behalf. So he's

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Speaker 2: always thinking like fifteen steps ahead. Yes, the idea that

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Speaker 2: these people don't medical on our elections is insane. This

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Speaker 2: is what always drives me crazy about the Israel exception.

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Speaker 2: You know, I know a lot of people who have

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Speaker 2: worked or let's just say, come into contact with the

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Speaker 2: US intelligence agencies, and what they are always briefed on

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Speaker 2: is they're like, listen, in terms of counterintelligence threats, the

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Speaker 2: number one most sophisticated spy agency in Washington is the Mosad.

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Speaker 3: But they never say it publicly. They're always warned.

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Speaker 2: They're like, hey, you know, pretty girls approaching you in

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Speaker 2: bars and all that. It's not just a Russian phenomenon.

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Speaker 2: It's not just a Chinese phenomenon. It's an Israeli phenomena

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Speaker 2: in terms of being spied on. In terms of spyware.

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Speaker 2: We know about Pegasus, we know about Mosad infiltration into

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Speaker 2: our own government. Don't forget and look past that entire

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Pollard incident. But the problem I always find is,

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Speaker 2: you know, we have a huge intelligence penetration in this

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Speaker 2: country of let's say Chinese assets, Russian assets, and these

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Speaker 2: are front page news. I mean recently, there are multiple

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Speaker 2: incidents of Chinese Chinese spies that were working on their

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Speaker 2: behalf either in AI companies, US military. But then whenever

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Speaker 2: it comes to people who are Israeli spies, we had

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Speaker 2: that man Jonathan Pollard, who several presidents considered pardoning because

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Speaker 2: of pressure from the Israeli government, and then after he

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Speaker 2: was released from prison, he's greeted like a hero in

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Speaker 2: Israel and nobody in America. You know, it says anything,

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Speaker 2: even though in terms of the crime, it's exactly the same.

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Speaker 3: So the idea that they.

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Speaker 2: Don't spy on us, that they don't infiltrate us, that

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Speaker 2: they don't meddle in our politics is ludicrous. None of

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Speaker 2: this is anti Semitic. It is just an acknowledgement of reality.

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Speaker 2: You could say it about any other country that has

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Speaker 2: this amount of foreign influence. And yet you know, they

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Speaker 2: try and use that exception, and they're kind of policing

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Speaker 2: of rhetoric to quash a lot of what we're talking

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Speaker 2: about here, Crystal, and to pass you know, things like

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Speaker 2: those BDS legislations or anti Semitism definitions in the state

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Speaker 2: of South Dakota. I don't believe we ever put that

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Speaker 2: in the show because we had so much going on.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a perfect example of like when their

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Speaker 2: ambassadors are literally campaigning at state by state level for

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Speaker 2: BDS legislation which is infringing on the state on the

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Speaker 2: speech of US citizens. How can you not call that

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Speaker 2: meddling in our POWERY imagine if we were going some

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Speaker 2: Israeli prefecture, I don't know what they call it down there,

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Speaker 2: but state, province, whatever, and we're like trying to advocate

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Speaker 2: for local legislation, they would lose it.

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Speaker 3: And you know we should too. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you are more free in America to criticize our

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Speaker 1: own government, as you should be, than you are to

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Speaker 1: criticize the Israeli government. Yes, it's insane, I mean literally codified.

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Speaker 1: And now, especially in South Dakota, they've codified this definition

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Speaker 1: of anti Semitism which includes all sorts of things that

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Speaker 1: are just criticism of the Israeli government. So a Twitter

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Speaker 1: user put together some of the examples of israel influence

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Speaker 1: in American politics. We can put these up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: This is Asaul Rod who pulled these together. She says, quote,

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Speaker 1: we don't intervene in American politics. And here are the headlines.

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Speaker 1: Quote Republicans invite net Yahoo to address Congress as part

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Speaker 1: of spurning of Obama. Israel's aggressive spying in the US

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Speaker 1: mostly hushed up to your point, Sager John Kerry reminds

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Speaker 1: Congress NETANYAHUO advised US to invade Rock. Oh really, and

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Speaker 1: pro Israel lobbying group APAC secretly pouring millions into defeating

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Speaker 1: progressive Democrats. I believe bb was just featured in a

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Speaker 1: political ad and a Florida campaign. I think I saw

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Speaker 1: a headline something like that. But speaking to APAC specifically,

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Speaker 1: we can put this up on the screen from the

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Speaker 1: American Prospect, they just had this big conference right outside

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Speaker 1: of DC National Harbor, same place that they had the

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Speaker 1: c Pack conference, and American Prospect was able to get

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Speaker 1: in and get their hands on the talking points that

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Speaker 1: APAK was pushing and handing out, and you know, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty astonishing. So first of all, there were massive attendants

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Speaker 1: from a high level American political officials along with BB

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Speaker 1: net Yahoo himself, and Israeli Ambassador of the US Michael Herzog.

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Speaker 1: According to a speaker list, the entire Democratic and Republican

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Speaker 1: leadership in Congress all delivered remarks, including Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell,

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Speaker 1: Kim Jeffries, Mike Johnson, John Fetterman, and Tim Burschett were

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Speaker 1: both in attendance, among other representatives. They go on to

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Speaker 1: say the documents reveal a pack's legislative strategy and the

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Speaker 1: talking points that we use to support an unconditional fourteen

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Speaker 1: billion dollar military funding package that has thus far been

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Speaker 1: held up. They also include numerous positions on aspects of

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Speaker 1: the US response to the war that have not previously

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Speaker 1: been made public, from abolishing the United Nations Relief and

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Speaker 1: Works Agency for Palestine refugees in the Newer East that's

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Speaker 1: unrap to opposing recent restrictions imposed by the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: on Israeli settlers, no mention of a two state solution, surprise, surprise.

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Speaker 1: They also touted their prowess to members as dollar for dollar,

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Speaker 1: the largest contributor to candidates in the twenty twenty two

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Speaker 1: midterm elections. In fact, I think sagre that they cited

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Speaker 1: some of Ryan Grimm's critical reporting of them to prove

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Speaker 1: just how impactful and influential they have been in these

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Speaker 1: election cycles, which I think is pretty undeniable. And they

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Speaker 1: also had a list of lies for people to spread

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Speaker 1: about what's unfolding on the ground in Gaza. In particular,

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Speaker 1: they told members of Congress that quote, Israel is not

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Speaker 1: blocking the delivery of aid to Gaza out and out reply,

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Speaker 1: and that reports that people are starving in Gaza are false.

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Speaker 1: We've all seen the pictures. We've all seen the pictures,

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Speaker 1: and we know that our own government has resorted to

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Speaker 1: these ridiculous, inadequate boondoggles of dropping aid which by the way,

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Speaker 1: killed some Palestinian civilians and building this temporary court pier situation,

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Speaker 1: ridiculous expensive, you know, boondoggles that are going to take

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Speaker 1: that's going to take a while to even come into play.

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Speaker 1: Why because Israel won't just let in the hundreds of

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Speaker 1: AID trucks that are masked at its border. So that's

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Speaker 1: a little bit of what the Israel lobby is up

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Speaker 1: to here just outside of our nation's capital.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's genuinely amusing for them to claim there that

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Speaker 2: they don't meddle in other people's politics, when, as I said,

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Speaker 2: they are one of the biggest meddlers in our own

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Speaker 2: politics and in terms.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, look, you have to give it to them.

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Speaker 2: It does work, and they still have the ability to

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Speaker 2: compel all of those bipartisan politicians to come to their summit.

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Speaker 2: I definitely think, of course, in the long run, I

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Speaker 2: think that they're standing in the US and the change

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Speaker 2: in politics here is something they will have to reckon

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Speaker 2: with but in the interim it is paying dividends for

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Speaker 2: them in their war.

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Speaker 3: So look what canntinue to see and look at it.

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Speaker 2: Next part that we want to go to is about

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court, and this is a pretty impactful ruling

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Speaker 2: we wanted to cover and to actually give people some

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Speaker 2: more insight as there's a number of cases coming down

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Speaker 2: the pipeline now, specifically about social media, about digital rights

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Speaker 2: and democracies, something I really welcome this in particular, let's

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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. Was a ruling

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Speaker 2: that came across the wire on Friday where the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court laid out a new test for determining when actions

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Speaker 2: taken by government employees on social media, such as posting messages,

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Speaker 2: deleting comments, or blocking users, constitutes an official business versus

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Speaker 2: their personal conduct. So what they have decided is that

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Speaker 2: public officials can reconsipts the rules on when public officials

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Speaker 2: can block certain social media users. And what they find

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Speaker 2: specifically is that they have to protect freedom of speech

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Speaker 2: and this specifically also want to retain First Amendment rights

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Speaker 2: for private citizens to be able to engage with their constituents.

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Speaker 2: This particularly came as a result of this case of

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Speaker 2: a Michigan man his name is Kevin Linke, after comments

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Speaker 2: that he had posted to a sport manager's support Huron

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Speaker 2: City manager's Facebook page, which were deleted and his access

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Speaker 2: to the page was blocked entirely. He had criticized the

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Speaker 2: handling of the COVID nineteen pandemic. The person who blocked

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Speaker 2: him said that his personal account, that his account was personal,

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Speaker 2: and that COVID was not.

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Speaker 3: Part of his officials duties.

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Speaker 2: So what they basically ruled, Crystal, and they have come

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Speaker 2: to is that blocking your own constituents is therefore a

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Speaker 2: violation of your public duties. But there are some narrow

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Speaker 2: rules as to where they are set, and I really

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Speaker 2: welcome some of these changes as to how exactly these

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Speaker 2: people who try and mix their public and private life

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Speaker 2: and their accounts and all of that can actually interact

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Speaker 2: with the rest of us when they are imbued with

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Speaker 2: public responsibilities.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it seems like there's still going to be

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Speaker 1: more suits in this direction and more finding of exactly

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Speaker 1: where the line is, because it is a kind of

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Speaker 1: a tricky question. You know, if you've gotten Instagram, that's

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Speaker 1: ninety five percent your dog and your kids, and occasionally

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Speaker 1: you post like a government press release, is that a

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Speaker 1: is that public? Is it your private personal? How do

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Speaker 1: you find where the line is? But I think the

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Speaker 1: fundamental insight here is that these platforms are a critical

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Speaker 1: part of the you know, the digital town square, if

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Speaker 1: you want to call it. That there are huge First

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Speaker 1: Amendment implications in terms of how people are allowed to

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Speaker 1: conduct themselves on the platform, and that public officials have

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Speaker 1: a responsibility, in accordance with the First Amendment to make

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Speaker 1: sure that their own constituents aren't blocked from accessing these

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Speaker 1: official government communications. So I believe the ruling was unanimous.

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Speaker 1: I think it's you know, important. I wonder, and I

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Speaker 1: genuinely wonder. There's a question mark for me whether it

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Speaker 1: could have some implications for the debate and discussion that's

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Speaker 1: going on with regard to TikTok, because part of the

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Speaker 1: question there is also a First Amendment question some legal

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Speaker 1: analysts saying that depending on how this is described and

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Speaker 1: depending on how the government, if a band were to

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Speaker 1: go into effect, how that would be effectuated, that it

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Speaker 1: could also come under legal scrutiny because of First Amendment questions,

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Speaker 1: And so to me, it seems significant that the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court is directly acknowledging that these are important First Amendment

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Speaker 1: concerns that are being considered with regards to social media

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Speaker 1: platforms in particular.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, the crux of the matter really

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Speaker 2: comes down to allowing suits to go through whenever constituents

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Speaker 2: specifically are then blocked by their public officials allowing and

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Speaker 2: setting those rules. What's important also about what you raised,

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Speaker 2: and actually maybe we can cover this later on in

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Speaker 2: the week, is specifically about these First Amendment protections, because

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Speaker 2: what we're really talking about our digital rights is that

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Speaker 2: our digital extension of our current life in the town

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01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 2: square that's all been litigated over the last two hundred

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Speaker 2: years and applying it to this. For example, there's actually

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01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 2: a very important Supreme Court case that is going before

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Speaker 2: the Court today around the Biden administration contacting social media

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01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 2: companies and alleging that misinformation this was around vaccines that

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01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 2: was occurring on the platform. The plaintiffs start bringing a

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01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: case saying that that was a direct violation of free

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01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 2: speech and was specifically meddling in the speech of US

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01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 2: citizens by advocating for this, especially when it was an

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01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 2: official position of the White House, and will remember that

1527
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 2: infamous Jensaki comment that if you're blocked from one place

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01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 2: and you should be blocked everywhere. That could then set

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01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 2: up the rules for where the government is even allowed

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01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 2: to interact with these social media companies.

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01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 3: Sotting you put all these kind of.

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01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 2: Things together, what I think is important is that it

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01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 2: really just gets to the idea that we do have

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01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 2: rights as citizens on these companies, that the companies themselves

1535
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 2: are now it's being taken out of their house. It

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01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 2: never really should have been there in the first place,

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01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 2: and it has then entering the public sphere to which

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01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 2: we can have a commonly held understanding that is not

1539
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 2: just up to some idiot in Menlo Park, and so

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01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,919
Speaker 2: what I am allowed to say and not and especially

1541
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 2: when we're interacting here when you think about it too,

1542
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 2: in the COVID context, this is a man who is

1543
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 2: under a lockdown, who is protesting against his government's handling,

1544
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 2: specifically local government's handling of the COVID pandemic. Well, he

1545
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 2: was under a lockdown, so how else was he allowed

1546
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 2: to make his speech hurt? He's not like he couldn't

1547
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 2: go out into a public without a mask, and actually

1548
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 2: say something. So that's when it becomes really critical for

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01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 2: the ability to voice dissent. And that's where I think

1550
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 2: a lot of this comes down to. I also would

1551
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 2: be remiss if we didn't mention our own Ryan Grimm.

1552
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen. We were

1553
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 2: all trying to determine whether we're blocked by public officials.

1554
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 2: We're not actually sure because you never necessarily know who

1555
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 2: you're blocked by unless you go and look. But Ryan

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01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 2: is actually blocked by Congressman Richie Torres. So as he

1557
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 2: says here, yo, Richie Torres, a Supreme court says this

1558
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 2: is unconstitutional. Not quite, although we would definitely support We

1559
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 2: would definitely support a lawsuit there if it were to

1560
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,759
Speaker 2: go through, to try and force Richiet Torres to unblock

1561
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,879
Speaker 2: him and then deal with Ryan's some critical questions.

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01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 3: Anything else you want to say on this, Yeah.

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01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 1: Ritchie Torurus is kind of notorious for blocking anyone who criticizes,

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01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:22,679
Speaker 1: so no surprise, Ryan is not a constituent of Richie Torres.

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01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 1: I have no doubt that Richie Torres has plenty of

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01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: his own constituents blocked, so he may want to look

1567
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: into that before he faces a lawsuit. Given this new precedent,

1568
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 1: I just want to say, on a practical note for

1569
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: Twitter users out there, I never block anyone. If someone's

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01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: annoying me, I just mute them. It's such a much

1571
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: better function. They don't know they're muted. You know, you

1572
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: don't give them that like ego boost of realizing that

1573
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: they got under your skin enough that you actually blocked them.

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01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: So I guess we'll have to wait for the Supreme

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01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: Court hearings on whether muting your constituents is also a

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01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: violation of the first event.

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01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's a great point.

1578
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,879
Speaker 2: Actually, here I'm trying to see if I've ever blocked anyone,

1579
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 2: so according to yeah, no, I have not blocked anybody,

1580
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 2: according to my according to my Twitter blocked accounts. As

1581
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 2: you said, if I click on muted accounts, there's a

1582
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 2: hell of a lot of accounts of people.

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01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 3: Who I have muted.

1584
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 2: Mostly people will wait, please debate me or somebody who's annoying.

1585
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,440
Speaker 2: But that's it. So I agree with you. Public officials

1586
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:24,799
Speaker 2: establish a Crystal and Sager standard.

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01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 3: Just mute them.

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01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 2: Then you don't even have to interact with them, and

1589
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 2: they can waste their life, you know, replying to you

1590
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 2: and trying to ruin that, you know, trying to poison

1591
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 2: your headspace, and you won't even know about it.

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01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 3: So anyways, there you.

1593
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 4: Go, All right, saga, what are you looking at?

1594
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 2: COVID has had many long lasting impacts on American society

1595
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 2: that we haven't yet fully grappled with, from learning loss

1596
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 2: as a result of school closures to the enduring effect

1597
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 2: of hybrid work with white collar workers. But my personal

1598
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 2: favorite subject really is the vast internal migration that has

1599
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 2: taken place in the US over the last three years,

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01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 2: which is going to completely redefine the America of the future.

1601
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 2: From our coatomy are demographics and our electoral map, every

1602
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 2: new release of census data tells us that a vast

1603
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 2: internal migration not seen since the days of World War

1604
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 2: II is taking place with really not that much paying

1605
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 2: attention at the national level. New really released data from

1606
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 2: the Census Bureau at a county by county level presents

1607
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 2: a stunning picture of how people with the ability and

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01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:22,480
Speaker 2: means are fleeing.

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01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 3: Different parts of the country.

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01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 2: For others, of the top ten counties in the United

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01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 2: States that experience annual numeric growth in twenty twenty three,

1612
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 2: a stunning eight are in the state of Texas.

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01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,640
Speaker 3: The other two are Arizona and Florida.

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01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 2: Especially noteworthy is that the Arizona county is Maricopa, which

1615
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 2: was the largest and so critical in the last election.

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01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 2: In Florida's Polpe County ranked at number five. Where are

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01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 2: these people coming from? It's also a clear though when

1618
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 2: you take a look at where the largest outflows are happening.

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01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 2: The county which lost the single most amount of people

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01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:56,480
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three was Los Angeles County in California,

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01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 2: followed up quickly by Kings Queens and Bronx County in

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01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 2: New York State, and then Cook County in Illinois. In

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01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 2: other words, La New York City, Metro Chicago, Philadelphia County

1624
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 2: the city of Philadelphia next on the list at number four,

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01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 2: then Wayne County, Michigan where Detroit was finally San Diego.

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01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 3: Are you sensing a theme.

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01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 2: You got major cities that have high levels of crime,

1628
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 2: housing affordability, and in metropolitan areas that are losing hundreds

1629
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 2: of thousands of people now on top of the hundreds

1630
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 2: of thousands already lost. That confirms the twenty twenty one

1631
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty two trend of net migration loss from

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01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 2: the northeast and the Midwest, with people heading in droves

1633
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 2: to the south and the west. The overall migration center

1634
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 2: of the gravity. Center of gravity of this country is

1635
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 2: rapidly moving away from the coast and much more into

1636
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,720
Speaker 2: the heartland, into the sun belt. Specifically, Florida has experienced

1637
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:50,640
Speaker 2: stunning growth. The Census actually says ninety six percent of

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01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 2: Florida's sixty seven counties had population growth in just one

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01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,559
Speaker 2: year from twenty twenty two to twenty twenty three. Similar

1640
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 2: percentages actually experience in Idaho and in the state of Tennessee.

1641
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 2: Population loss from major metropolitan areas to Florida and Texas

1642
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,759
Speaker 2: plus smaller states like Idaho and Tennessee is significantly changing

1643
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: already the politics in those states.

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01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 3: We've seen this happen.

1645
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 2: For example, in the state of Georgia, you hat a

1646
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 2: former red state that is now fully purple, showing major

1647
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:17,799
Speaker 2: metro growth in the city of Atlanta. Florida and Texas

1648
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 2: remain solidly read but with very different red coalitions of

1649
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 2: voters that are delivering these victories. And same thing in Arizona,

1650
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 2: which has become fully purple. What really I see from

1651
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 2: the map is not just a rejection of the ultra

1652
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 2: blue metropolis model, but it is one of hope that

1653
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 2: I always try and highlight in these monologues. A lot

1654
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 2: of this just comes down to the cost of living, housing,

1655
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 2: and accessibility to.

1656
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 3: The American dream.

1657
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 2: I don't think it's an accident when you overlay a

1658
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 2: housing heat map on the most expensive places to live

1659
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 2: in the US, they almost exactly one to one match

1660
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,759
Speaker 2: up with the places that are losing the most amount

1661
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 2: of people. Cost of living is a math problem that

1662
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 2: people are not willing to put up with anymore, especially

1663
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 2: in places where much of their quality of life was

1664
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 2: eroded by crime. The story of just simply being able

1665
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 2: to live and be safe is so basic that should

1666
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 2: be accessible to everyone, Which is where I'm really going

1667
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 2: to end this on the same note I always do.

1668
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 2: I'm genuinely happy for friends and others who have been

1669
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 2: able to leave major cities for the Sun Belt or

1670
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 2: for the West and.

1671
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:16,799
Speaker 3: They have a better life. We also can't forget.

1672
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 2: About the people who are already there, or those who

1673
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 2: are just too poor or who lack flexibility to move.

1674
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 2: The single best policy we can't pursue is optionality.

1675
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 3: And affordability.

1676
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 2: It's the best way to ensure that those who don't

1677
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,839
Speaker 2: want to stay are priced out of their own homes,

1678
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 2: and those who want to leave can do so without

1679
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 2: it being zero sum for where they're going. The current

1680
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 2: Hodgepod system is unfortunately not working for everyone as it should.

1681
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 2: People often think that policies of the past, like vast

1682
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 2: migration under the Home Seat Act and Western expansion is

1683
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 2: no longer possible, but the complete and the rapid shift

1684
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 2: already and where people are living just with flexible and

1685
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 2: hybrid work shows that, combined with technological change, a potentially

1686
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:58,759
Speaker 2: even bigger shift inward and downward is in America's future.

1687
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 2: I know I do this monologuvery so x months Crystal,

1688
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 2: but I mean, and.

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01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:04,000
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1690
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1691
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