1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 2: Okay, so first of all, we're on location right now. 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: We are in Oklahoma City. We have been in Oklahoma 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: City for the past couple of days and then we've 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 2: been in Enid. But we wanted to chat with Hannah 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: and Easton because it's been obviously with the fires happening 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. Easton, I know we chat a little bit, 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: but I just we started talking and I'm like, wait, 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: I want people to you know, because people love you 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: as well and they want to hear you know that 11 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: everything's okay. So you evacuated. Are you back in your. 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 3: House or yeah? 13 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 4: So I live near Pasadena, which was part of the 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 4: Eton fire. For people keeping track, there's so many fires 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 4: over Los Angeles, but we were under evacuation warning when 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 4: things got really bad. We were never like ordered to leave, 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 4: but we thought. We just heard all these stories of 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 4: like they put you on evacuation and then like there's traffic, 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 4: no one can get out, and we were, you know, 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 4: people abandoning their cars and stuff. So we, uh, we 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 4: gathered up all the essentials and then we left. We 22 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 4: went down to a friend's house. We were without power 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 4: and without water for like three or four days. And 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 4: then the thing that really freaked me out about this 25 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 4: was that they because they turned off all the power 26 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 4: to like stop you know, if like a power line 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 4: goes down, they premptily cut the power, but like the 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 4: cell towers were down too, so like I didn't have 29 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 4: power at my house, but then I couldn't send a 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 4: text or make a phone call, and I was like, ooh, 31 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 4: this is bad. So yeah, we got out of there, 32 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 4: and then I've been back for a couple of days 33 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 4: now in our house and everything's fine. The fires it's 34 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 4: still not contained as as ever we record this, but 35 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: my house is fine, and like our town is okay. 36 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 4: But so many people, so many friends of ours. I mean, 37 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 4: every everyone in Los Angeles knows somebody that has lost everything. 38 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 4: It's it's insane. The devastation is insane. 39 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: I know, it's so hard to like see like all 40 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: the photos, and I mean it's just and that's like 41 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: to your point, like everyone knows someone that's lost, you know, everything, 42 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: and it's just it's so it's so incredibly sad. I 43 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 2: can't imagine. I mean, it's one of those things where 44 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: it's you know, La. I called La home for almost 45 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: seventeen years, and as much as I was so happy 46 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: to leave Los Angeles, La always had that little special 47 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: place in like people's hearts, because it's just it's a 48 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 2: beautiful it's a it's a dreamer's town, you know, and 49 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: it's like I always love coming back to visit, and so, 50 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: you know, I have I know a few friends that 51 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: have lost their homes, and it's just it's just so sad, 52 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: Like I can't I can't imagine being there. Like I 53 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: remember when we we were there for the fire I 54 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: think it was in twenty and eighteen where it was 55 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: like both sides of the four or five were like 56 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: up and flight, and I remember Mike was headed to 57 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: work and he was like it looks like the world 58 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: was burning down right now, and I remember like seeing 59 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: his car going through the four or five and like 60 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: that was that was probably the biggest fire that I've 61 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: remember being a part of in Los Angeles because it 62 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: did never really hit the valley side when I was there, Like, 63 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 2: so I just can't even imagine. 64 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, the part that intrigues me is because it's like 65 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 5: a real life of apocalypse, isn't it Like when you see 66 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 5: the aerial pictures and you heal, like the peels be cut, 67 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 5: the waters be cut. The better intrigues me is And 68 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 5: it's probably the saddest part is what percent is your 69 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 5: people actually have the insurance for the homes to be 70 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 5: covered the fire? Had your house, would you have had 71 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 5: the insurance to rebuild it? 72 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 4: You know, it's it's, uh, we're afraid our coverage is 73 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 4: getting it dropped, because that's something we've been hearing happy 74 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 4: to people all over the place. And our fire insurance 75 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 4: is so expensive and it's just going up, and it's 76 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 4: going to go up after this. It's uh, it's just 77 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 4: it's one of those things where it's like we basically 78 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 4: live on a volcano at this point, and it's like 79 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 4: it's not just will your house be threatened by a fire, 80 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 4: it's when will it happen? 81 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 6: Now? 82 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 4: I feel so bad for everyone who's homes were down. 83 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 4: Now they have to deal with this with all the insurance. 84 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 4: If they can get a payout, it's going to be 85 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 4: so much work when you're trying to like rebuild your life. 86 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 4: You know, you're staying in a friend's guest room. I 87 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 4: feel lucky and having to like be on the phone 88 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 4: with insurance adjusters, and it's it's every part of this 89 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 4: is heartbreaking and such a mess. I don't know what 90 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: it's gonna happen the insurance. I just don't know. 91 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 3: It's crazy. Can I ask what you took? 92 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 6: You know? 93 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 4: It's funny. We had this conversation my wife and I 94 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 4: a while ago, like what would you take in a fire? 95 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 4: And I said it, I gave her a joke answer, 96 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 4: and then that ended up being the real one, which 97 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 4: is like, we took our passports, and I took a 98 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 4: hard drive that has all our family photos on it. 99 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 4: But I took my we want a People's Choice Award 100 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,679 Speaker 4: for the Scrubbing m Podcast. I took the People's Choice Award, 101 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 4: which ironically would have survived a fire probably it's like 102 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 4: just a big homecom metal. But I took the People's 103 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 4: Choice Award. And then my wife bought me a picture 104 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 4: of doctor Phil as an eminem that was signed by 105 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 4: doctor Phil, and it just makes me laugh. I like 106 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 4: that picture brings me a lot of joy, and I 107 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 4: would be devastated. So I took the People's the doctor 108 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 4: Phil picture and U and now everything else, I was like, 109 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 4: everything else is kind of replaceable, you know, like in 110 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 4: our house. 111 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: You know, you start to really think about it because 112 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: I even like the album's photo a lot of like 113 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: my old photos are just in the there's somewhere in 114 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: the attic. But it's like I don't have a drive 115 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: that has all the photos on there. 116 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 4: Something that I'm an. I'm a nerd, and I everything's 117 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 4: on a drive and in the cloud because I'm afraid 118 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 4: of like forgetting the drive. So like we're okay photo wise, 119 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 4: I think I know that was a that was a 120 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 4: big thing for a lot of people. You know, you 121 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,679 Speaker 4: have a parent's stuff, you have grandparents stuff. In many cases, 122 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 4: a friend of ours her home burned down and she 123 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 4: was one of the early ones, and she she told us, like, 124 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 4: we didn't know what was happening. We saw firefighters going 125 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 4: up our street. No one told us anything, and then 126 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 4: like we just go outside and see flames. So she 127 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 4: grabbed her wedding dress and that was it, and then 128 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 4: left thinking Wou'd be okay, and then her house burned down, 129 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 4: so all she has is her wedding dress now, and 130 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 4: uh yeah, it's just I mean, there's again, there's so 131 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 4: many stories of that kind of thing. Here in Los Angeles. 132 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 4: It's really crazy. 133 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 5: What's the what's the ken of general Vibe and talk 134 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 5: with then Los Angeles on how it happened. If people 135 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 5: think it was awesome and it was deliberate. 136 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 4: Or it's hard because we don't know. There's been an 137 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 4: arrest or two for like suspected arson for one of them, 138 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 4: I think, but the two the Palsy's fire and eat 139 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 4: and fire like the two biggest ones. They don't know 140 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 4: the source yet, and it's hard. You know, it could 141 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 4: be one. It's one of those things where like someone 142 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 4: throws a cigarette butt out of their window, like that's 143 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 4: all it takes. Or someone camping and they you know, 144 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 4: didn't put the fire out completely. It takes such a 145 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 4: little especially now, I mean everything is we got so 146 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 4: little rain last year. Everything is so dry here. It 147 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 4: really There's also cases of like the strong winds will 148 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 4: blow up a lot of dry brush and they just 149 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 4: like will spark together or they head of rock or something. 150 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 4: It's it's crazy how easily these fires can start. So 151 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: we don't know what if we don't know what it 152 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 4: was yet, if it was our center, if it was 153 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 4: an accident or something like that, but something like that 154 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: saved were our houses and this kind of heartbreaking is 155 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 4: that it didn't reach much further because we had a 156 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 4: really big fire in twenty twenty, like it was like 157 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 4: right outside our door, and that area is still just squorched. 158 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 4: There's nothing to burn. So it got to when it 159 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 4: got to that point, it's like the fires couldn't continue 160 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh cool, We've had so many fires now, 161 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 4: it's just there's just nothing left to burn here, so 162 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 4: we're kind of protected. But yeah, I'm I don't know, 163 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 4: I'm everyone here is like glued to the news and 164 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 4: just constantly refreshing trying to see like updates on everything. 165 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: Well that's the fact that I would feel like it's 166 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 2: just so stressful because like the winds are still you know, 167 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: kicking up at times, and it's like, hen, I know 168 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: you said it wasn't close to you, but it's like, 169 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: you know, I feel like there's just there would just 170 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: be like an anxiety in it all. 171 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean there was at one point 172 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: that Palisades fired. I think this was last Thursday night 173 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: or Friday night, that it got to the ridge and 174 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: threatened to come into the valley, and that just would 175 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: have been a whole other sort of insane. It could 176 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: and would have been another Palisades Like the community is 177 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: so densely populated in the valley that it would have 178 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: been catastrophic, And so luckily that night there weren't a 179 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: ton There wasn't a lot of wind that night, luckily 180 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: compared to when the Palisades fire started, so firefighters were 181 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: able to fight it from the air and stop it 182 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: at the ridge from coming into the valley, which was 183 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: just incredible. And our first responders are absolutely incredible on 184 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: saving people's homes and lives and everything they've done. 185 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 5: But it is. 186 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 1: I am a new parent. I have two children, two 187 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: years old and eight months old, and kind of as 188 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: a parent, there was we had a flare up of 189 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: a smaller fire that kind of happened towards us, and 190 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: I just packed up the kids and left because as 191 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: a new parent, you're just like, what's important is the kids, 192 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: But you're also just like there's so many little memory 193 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: of you know, their footprints and their hospital bands and 194 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: things that like, at the end of the day, you 195 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: will get over eventually, but it's sad and it's scary, 196 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, the fire you mentioned earlier, 197 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: the four or five fire in like twenty eighteen, the 198 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: Getty fire. I looked at Retwood at that time, and 199 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: so I did have to evacuate for that one. But 200 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: the anxiousness, even though we were safer this time, I 201 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: felt more with being a parent and having young kids 202 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: and trying to navigate that and you know, packing everything 203 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: they need and making sure my daughter had formula, you know, 204 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: like those little things, and you know, it's just heartbreaking 205 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: to hear these stories. Our executive producer has a friend 206 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: who his wife gave birth two weeks ago and their 207 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: house burnt down and he couldn't he had to like 208 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: make a choice between grabbing his toddler from preschool or 209 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: like going home to help his wife and two week 210 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: old baby. And so you know, she ended up getting 211 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: out on her her own, but like she wasn't supposed 212 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: to lift anything. She had to evacuate the two dogs, 213 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: the brand new baby, herself. She's still recovering postpartum. So 214 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: you just keep hearing these like tragic, awful stories. And 215 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, just like there's just a heaviness 216 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: in LA for the last week, and everybody's just feeling 217 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: very somber and just just we're just heartbroken for everybody 218 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: affected and just counting ourselves really lucky if we, like myself, 219 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: you know, weren't directly threatened by this fire. 220 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 5: So is it enough to make you guys think of 221 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 5: it moving away from Eli. 222 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: I'm not supposed it would be my husband. 223 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: I'd have to convince, but. 224 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: I mean possibly, Like it's I'm really heartbroken for the 225 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,359 Speaker 1: community of Palisades. The Palisades is such a beautiful community. 226 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 2: It's just they're in December and like, I'm like, I 227 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: love it here. 228 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: It's one of the most beautiful parts of Los Angeles, 229 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: and everybody there it just has like such a community vibe. 230 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: And so it is that isn't even like more of 231 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: the heartbreaking that this whole community just got ripped apart 232 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: and not everybody will be able to rebuild and it's 233 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: never going to be the same. 234 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 3: And I don't know, I. 235 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: Know, I've heard a lot of people whose houses have 236 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: burned down. I was fortunate to be on a podcast 237 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: the other day where we kind of talked with a 238 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: lot of the victims whose houses have burned down, and 239 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: a lot of them want to rebuild. They're like we're here, 240 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: this our community. We're going to rebuild and have a 241 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: very positive outlook. But it's hard to imagine it ever 242 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: kind of being the same. And I do think, I 243 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: do think you will see people moving out of California 244 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: after this one. 245 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, I always it kind of made me say, well, 246 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 2: it made it, didn't kind of it made me so 247 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: when people were saying things like, oh, it's just the 248 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 2: celebrities houses burning down, It's like it's not the case. Yes, 249 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 2: some celebrities houses did burn down, but then also think 250 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: about all the people that are out of work from 251 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: working at those homes too, So it's like it's not 252 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: just the rich and the famous that are houses and 253 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: it's all you know, it's everywhere. It's also I mean 254 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 2: all these all all sorts of people. 255 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 5: It's like you said the other day, is it's the housekeepers, 256 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 5: it's the gardeners, it's the all these people who will 257 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 5: know what can part of this catastrophic tragedy. 258 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 6: I know. 259 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: But switching totally, Well, we're so glad you guys are safe. 260 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: We love you guys very much, and yes, yeah Easton, 261 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: you guys, both you guys all you know, I was 262 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: like you had come to go to Nashville have our house, like, 263 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: if you need the house, go but yes, so it's 264 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: always there for you guys, but we love you and 265 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: switching gears. We're going to take a break and then uh, 266 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: Nick got win that Sandy was on the podcast and 267 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: now he wants essay as well, So take a break 268 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: and then get him on. 269 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 6: Hey you guys, Hey, how are you nice? And meet you? 270 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: Nice to meet you. 271 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: So we're on location right now in Oklahoma, So this 272 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: is not our normal background, but yes, are you in 273 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: Los Angeles. 274 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 6: I'm actually in the desert right now. I have a 275 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 6: place in Lakita outside of Lawa. 276 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 3: Okay, so you're good. 277 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: Then we were just talking to the producers about their 278 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: evacuation and stuff. So your your house is fine and everything. 279 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, my studio that I had last year is gone. 280 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 6: That was in Malibu, but I was out of there, 281 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 6: I guess eight months ago, So awkward timing, but yeah, 282 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 6: it's it's heartbreaking. I mean, I spent the last thirty 283 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 6: years there, so it's it's just I can't. I have 284 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 6: friends and clients and it's so weird to think about 285 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 6: all the places that I've been and spent time are 286 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 6: just decimated. I mean, it's it's unfathomable, Like I don't 287 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 6: even know how to put it into perspective. I was 288 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 6: there last week and it's just like everything I'm doing 289 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 6: now for you know, any art that's sold the next 290 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 6: couple of months, I'm donating. I'm going there next week 291 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 6: to help friends and family just get situated and give 292 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 6: as much as I can, because it's it just it 293 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 6: doesn't make sense. It's hard to believe. 294 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. 295 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: We were kind of talking to the beginning too, and 296 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: I was talking, you know, to Alan, and we was like, 297 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: we all have an la story, whether you live there, 298 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: like I live there from seventeen years, but like even 299 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: you know, people that just go and visit, like everyone 300 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: has a great lay story, so and everyone has a 301 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: tie there, it's in some some way. So it's just 302 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: it's like I've it's so sad, and it's just so sad, 303 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: like I wish I could be there and help, and 304 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: because we have friends there, but you know, I can't 305 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: even imagine all the devastations like being there. 306 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 6: And the animals, the animals especially. That's That's where I'm 307 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 6: going to be focusing my efforts as much as I can. 308 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 6: It's just finding homes and taking in as many animals 309 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 6: as I can. And I have a property out here 310 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 6: that I can have a bunch of dogs and just 311 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 6: you know, there's so many displaced animals and horses, and 312 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 6: it's just yeah, it's it's hard to believe. It's hard 313 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 6: to believe we've actually met. You and I met briefly, Okay, 314 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 6: when you were living in Studio City, I believe, right. 315 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 3: I was always in the city for the most part. 316 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, so you lived, you lived. 317 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: Near a street or not married, Like let's let's back 318 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: down the. 319 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 6: H No, this is when we were. I mean, I'm 320 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 6: forty now, so I think I was in my I 321 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 6: was like twenty one or twenty two. I was working 322 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 6: at a speed shop. There was a speed shop, and 323 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 6: I believe you lived near like as Porsche speed shop. 324 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: Wait, you knew my abusive ex husband. 325 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 6: I did. 326 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: He was the like by the hand car wash. Uh 327 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 2: it was where the porch because he had a Porsche 328 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: and he'd go into the thing that was like right, 329 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 2: it was like right there on in Studio City, like 330 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: up the hill, Oak. 331 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 6: Hill, Yes, yes, yes, yes, So speed gallery was the 332 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 6: shop and you came by a couple of times or 333 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 6: came into that shop, and I met you and I 334 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 6: remember being like, oh, yeah, she's so and so, and 335 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 6: it was in passing. But then I remember you and 336 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 6: watching you rise and I was like, oh, that's great 337 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 6: that I met her briefly. And I just I never 338 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 6: forget a face. 339 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: So it was a small world, so crazy wow what Yeah. 340 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 2: I was like, oh gosh, my were really bad memory. 341 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: So I was like, oh crab, no. 342 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 6: No, no, I mean, it's just it was just it 343 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 6: was funny. I mean, I was whatever it was. It 344 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 6: was a long time ago, but it was It's a 345 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 6: small world, for sure. LA's a small world. 346 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: Well I love the fact that, And I was I'm curious. 347 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you to like, if you 348 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: knew someone was on a show, would you also be like, hey, 349 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: I want to give would you defend because I would defend. 350 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: I would want to try to defend my side. 351 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 6: Yeah. 352 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 5: So I guess I was just saying, there's when did 353 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 5: you did you want to come on? Because we had 354 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 5: Sandy on and you want to be like, okay, I 355 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 5: don't that isn't quite right. I've got I've got my 356 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 5: I've got my sights to the fantia. 357 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that I just I really respected the 358 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 6: guy the way you guys approached it, and I listening 359 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 6: to it, thought that the questions were insightful. And I also, 360 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 6: you know, you guys see an edit, right, you guys 361 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 6: see a portion of what's what's being delivered to the 362 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 6: public as they decide, and we have no creative influence 363 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:17,239 Speaker 6: over which I would never do again. But I just 364 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 6: thought that the way in the cadence in which you 365 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 6: guys carried the interview was interesting and listening to Sandy's 366 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 6: perspective over the past, I mean, we shot this a 367 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 6: year and almost over a year ago, so it's been 368 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 6: some time and kind of the downloads and the rhetoric 369 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 6: that's coming out of it are intriguing to see how 370 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 6: the different cast members react to it. And there are 371 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 6: versions of things that are not quite the way that 372 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 6: I recall. But I just wanted to come on and 373 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 6: you know, have a chat with you guys if you 374 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 6: were open to it. And you also mentioned that you 375 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 6: may have shifted from maybe being on I don't even 376 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 6: want to call teams, but you know, in support of 377 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 6: what I was going through, and then maybe shifted words 378 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 6: what Sandy was going through, and all of us had 379 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 6: our own individual experiences, So I'm not taking away from anybodies, 380 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 6: but I think that I've been more quiet about things 381 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 6: at this point and just kind of letting the dust settle, 382 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 6: and I just wanted to have conversations with people who 383 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 6: were interested. 384 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure. I mean I found it very 385 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: fascinating because when you know, we'll just like hop right 386 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 2: into it. But when we were watching the show, you 387 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: know what, when you went on there with her, I 388 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 2: was like, you said it exactly like you know, your 389 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: your stage coach, she's Coachella, you know what I mean. 390 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: And you can see that from the very get go. 391 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 2: It's I think she wants to go have some more 392 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: fun and like he's ready to settle down. And so 393 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,719 Speaker 2: a piece of me was like, we see it so clearly, 394 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 2: but it's like, how much of that did you feel 395 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 2: versus what we saw? 396 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 6: Right? I think that you know, what she had mentioned 397 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 6: is true, Like leading into the show, we were not 398 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 6: on good terms. We were kind of in a rocky place, 399 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 6: and I think a lot of that had to do 400 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 6: with exactly what you said. Like I was kind of 401 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 6: in a place where I was ready to settle down, 402 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 6: you know, looking towards having a more mellow, easier life, 403 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 6: moving somewhere outside of California, potentially even more so. Now 404 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 6: I think that makes a lot of sense. But you know, 405 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 6: we had we had to push. We had so much 406 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 6: love and there was so much intensity to the relationship. 407 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 6: And I think that you know what I did, which 408 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 6: was my mistake and I have to look at, is 409 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 6: that I kind of I was very flippant about the experience. 410 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 6: I went in very lighthearted, like this is gonna be fun, 411 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 6: this is gonna be no big deal. We'll both meet 412 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 6: somebody that we connect with and then come back to 413 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 6: each other with new eyes and fresh eyes for the relationship. 414 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 6: And what she did mention with which I totally agree with, 415 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 6: is you don't see what we worked on in our 416 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 6: relationship in those three weeks after she was with JR. 417 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 6: But I do think that, you know, what what people 418 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 6: seem to be missing is that I was going through 419 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 6: a gen and breakup, right, And like, I don't know 420 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 6: how many people have gone through a horrible breakup and 421 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 6: have cameras on them that entire time and during that 422 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 6: breakup have their person be upstairs from you, you know, 423 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 6: living with another person and potentially exploring whatever relationship they had. 424 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 6: And I just it looks the way it looks to me, 425 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 6: and I look back at it, and a lot of 426 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 6: people have different perspectives on it, but it looks like 427 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 6: I'm like trying to pull her out of this situation 428 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 6: and try to like, you know, rip her from the 429 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 6: from the experience. And the thing is that is not 430 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 6: what was going on. What I was doing was purely 431 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 6: experiencing heartache and needing somebody in that moment. And you know, 432 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 6: I got dealt some hands that I don't think other 433 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 6: people got dealt, which was I mean, Mariah did, but 434 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 6: as we found out also she was communicating with Caleb 435 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 6: quite often during the show. And I just don't think 436 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 6: that that experience is something that somebody should be left 437 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 6: alone with. And I think that what you had brought 438 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 6: up during the conversation with Sandy is could I have left, 439 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 6: you know, could I have left that solo experience in 440 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 6: that apartment. I should have, now, whatever the ramifications were 441 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 6: for that, I should have just taken that on the 442 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 6: chain and left and come back then maybe to spend 443 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 6: the time with Sandy. But I kind of put myself 444 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 6: in a position where you know, it was just mentally 445 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 6: completely unhealthy. 446 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 447 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 6: Yeah. 448 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 5: Well, you've mentioned you're gonna you're going through a breakup 449 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 5: and you're feeling that hot heartache on not live TV, 450 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 5: but in front of cameras, and at that point you 451 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 5: think your only happiness lies with being with this person. 452 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,479 Speaker 5: And that's that's a tough scenario in any situation, let 453 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 5: alone with all these cameras around you and knowing that 454 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 5: your your partner, who you think that your happiness lies within, 455 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 5: is in the room with another man who, for me 456 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 5: was like I don't I mean, I don't like to 457 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 5: speak bad, but it was just like a big man 458 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 5: child And I'm like, so I feel you're paying to 459 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 5: do that. And that situation must have been well. 460 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 2: You said you would have like you, you would have 461 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 2: lost it. 462 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 5: There's no there's no way I would have and listened. 463 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 5: I'm not judging you at all. There's no way that 464 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 5: one of two things would have happened with me in 465 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 5: that situation. I would have left, or I'd have been 466 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 5: out at bars every night. 467 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 2: Well, I think you would have beaten somewhere else, ye, or. 468 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 5: The beat of someone, which you can't do on those 469 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 5: cameras there, and you can't do it in general. It 470 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 5: was such a horrible situation for you and I actually 471 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 5: for you, and there was no real like we mentioned 472 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 5: earlier about was a team Nick or team Sandy. I 473 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 5: think the journey of this show takes you where you go, Okay, 474 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 5: maybe it's that person, or maybe I'm I'm kind of 475 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 5: in this person's team, but there's so many different times 476 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 5: where it flips and I just juice to the editing 477 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 5: and what they wanted. So sure, how do they want 478 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 5: to program? 479 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: Like when you were having I mean when I told him, 480 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 2: I was like when we were. When you were watching it, 481 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 2: it's like you were having a guttural like I mean 482 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 2: that everyone has felt that when you've broken up with 483 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: something that you truly love and care about. It's you know, 484 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: it's and it's hard to watch because it's like we 485 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 2: all remember that feeling, right, And I think it's where 486 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: I then said that I switched to like the other 487 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: team was because you know, at some point you're just like, okay, enough, 488 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 2: like I need space. But again we're just seeing from 489 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: the edits of like he won't leave me alone? 490 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 6: You know, right, I see that when I watch it back, 491 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 6: it looks that way, and I think that, you know, 492 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 6: I think Sandy was also trying to do a good 493 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 6: job of she was trying to do a job. I 494 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 6: don't she didn't do a good job, but she was 495 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 6: trying to do a job of making sure that I 496 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 6: felt safe in the sense that we were going to 497 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 6: have our time. But the communication felt very cold from 498 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 6: the minute we got there. And you know, I watched again, 499 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 6: I watch Vanessa and Dave leave, I watched Micah and 500 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 6: Chanelle leave, and I see them prioritize their relationship and 501 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 6: my issues with Vanessa. You know that that's a whole 502 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 6: nother story. But the you know, the fact that they 503 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 6: chose their relationship over this experience was kind of like 504 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 6: almost even more throwing fuel on the fire, because I 505 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 6: was watching people choose what they had, whether it worked 506 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 6: out or not, over this thing that was going on 507 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 6: which we signed up for. And again I am not 508 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 6: I'm not here to say that if I if I 509 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 6: had met somebody that I could have spent genuine time 510 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 6: with and had a connection with, I think it would 511 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 6: have been a completely different experience. I still would have 512 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 6: been feeling the heartbreak, but it would have had someone 513 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 6: to vent with and bounce ideas off of and go 514 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 6: through it with. And you know, I think the show 515 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 6: needs to have backup people to, you know, to kind 516 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 6: of make sure this doesn't happen again, because every season 517 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 6: it seems that somebody leaves. This is not an isolated event. 518 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 6: This is different than the last season where people left 519 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 6: before they moved in, but it is you know, it 520 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 6: is a very awkward interaction that you're having with a stranger. Yeah, 521 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 6: you're attracted them, you're willing to move in with them. 522 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 6: But I think what I saw early on was, you know, 523 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 6: and I've got friends, I know guys Like what I 524 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 6: saw how I saw Jr. Moving towards Sandy, it was 525 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 6: it was very uncomfortable and knowing that they were already 526 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 6: in that position kind of physically before they even moved in, 527 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 6: it just it didn't feel good. And I think to 528 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 6: your point, you know, yeah, I decided to grab a 529 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 6: couple couple too many, and that doesn't you know, that's 530 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 6: never going to be a healing method for a heartbreak. 531 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's hard to especially like obviously you 532 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: saw their connection. You see there you see his intentions. 533 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: And then when they in the reunion where they were saying, 534 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: you know, he really just wanted to hall pass, it 535 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 2: kind of showed them where his mind was. And it's 536 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: from the edits, it's hard to not go, there's no 537 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 2: way they didn't sleep together. Like those edits are really tough. 538 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: So that's even you know, and look, I'm not saying 539 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: I don't believe anybody, but like it's just when you 540 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 2: see certain edits, it's really hard to go, wait, what 541 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 2: really happened? You know, But you know that's not for 542 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 2: us to judge or anything like that, but it would 543 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 2: be hard if I watched that edit and I was 544 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: in your shoes and that was like Alan, I would 545 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: have been like you one thousand percent did and you 546 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: can't tell me otherwise because that's you know, what I 547 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 2: felt and saw. So it's like, and to this day, 548 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 2: we would probably still be an argument, like if we 549 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 2: even like got in that situation and I'm like, you 550 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 2: definitely did. 551 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think that kind of leads to 552 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 5: my question that we're, well, what was what was your 553 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 5: thought process to go on there? 554 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 6: Right? 555 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 5: Because I'm thinking if Johnna and I are in that possession, 556 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 5: will be are struggling, and we're like, okay, we'll struggling here. 557 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 5: Let's go in a situation where you may go and 558 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 5: be with a guy for three weeks that might go be. 559 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 3: With it for three weeks. 560 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 5: I just don't know, Like, I'm like, how can that 561 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 5: be healthy? Affects a relationship of effects problems surely, Like. 562 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, surely to have those thoughts mean. 563 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 5: Those means that that's not your person. Surely. 564 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. Sandy and I were 565 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 6: also best friends, and I trusted that we were going 566 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 6: to I was, of course, my heart was was fearful 567 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 6: that I would lose her, But I was also like, 568 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 6: this is somebody who I have spent years with. And 569 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 6: we were off and on again because we weren't in 570 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 6: the right place at certain times, I ended up dating 571 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 6: somebody else. She kind of gave me the ultimatum and 572 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 6: came back wanting me because I was seeing somebody else. 573 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 6: So it's a very ironic circle. But I think that 574 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 6: I was like, this is somebody I completely trust. This 575 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 6: is somebody that I know is going to be great 576 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 6: for this experience. We're both going to show up, you know, 577 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 6: and have a good time with it, and I genuinely 578 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 6: thought we would be able to discuss things by way 579 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 6: of being kind of forced into our face and and 580 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 6: we would grow from it. And what they don't show 581 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 6: you is the Sedona trips were taking, and you know, 582 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 6: the meditation courses were taking, and the therapy that we're 583 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 6: you know, looking to hold space for each other and 584 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 6: all the things that we did to grow. No, they 585 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 6: show me, you know, spiraling out and screaming like a 586 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 6: I don't even know what and you know, I thought 587 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 6: that was a little harsh, but it was real. I 588 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 6: mean it was I mean, how many people go through 589 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 6: these at home, you know, screaming and crying and feeling awful. 590 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 6: I've done it before and breakups, but there hasn't been 591 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 6: a freaking camera on me. And you know, I just 592 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 6: I went for it, and it was it was something 593 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 6: that I look back on and I feel like, oddly 594 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 6: it was a nice mirror for me to look at 595 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 6: because I recognize that, you know, there's there's a way 596 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 6: to handle things that as I've been doing now and 597 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 6: you know, pouring myself into healthy activities and healthy mental 598 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 6: practices and you know, getting myself into a space where 599 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 6: I'm centered and grounded, and that was not that was 600 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 6: not the condition for that I should have left while 601 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 6: I was in, you know, my own apartment. For sure. 602 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 5: One of my favorite parts of the show was, and 603 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 5: that all would make it would always make me laugh, 604 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 5: was when the camera would zoom men in your eyes 605 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 5: on your reactions to stuff. 606 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 6: I don't have my emotions. 607 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 5: It was a humorous reaction or a passive aggression like 608 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 5: it was. It was just hilarious and that would make 609 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 5: me chuckle every episode, and I wonder how he's going 610 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 5: to react, and then the camera with zoom mentally good, yeah, good. 611 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: Like the Ji reactions or it's like fantastic too. So 612 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: what did you actually expect to happen? Like what did 613 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: you want? And would you like what, like truly like 614 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 2: in your heart of hearts? Like what And was there 615 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 2: a piece of you that like if there was a 616 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: girl that was there that was ready and that you 617 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: were super attractive to. Do you think someone could have, 618 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 2: you know, pulled you away from Sandy in that moment too. 619 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 6: I don't think that anybody would have pulled me away 620 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 6: from Sandy, but I do think that as I'd experienced 621 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 6: in the relationship, before when she felt that I was 622 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 6: being drawn to somebody else and this is not okay. 623 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 6: We were broken up at that point. But when she 624 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 6: knew that I was dating somebody else and my interest 625 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 6: was there, she came forward and was ready to fix 626 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 6: and challenge some of the things that I needed from 627 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 6: her and look at things in herself. And I think 628 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 6: she's doing that. I honestly do think she's growing a 629 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 6: lot through this experience. I really do. I do think 630 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 6: that it showed us very you know, clearly that we 631 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 6: are not the right couple for each other. But I 632 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 6: was hopeful that we would be able to experience or 633 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 6: support each other through whatever was going to occur. And 634 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 6: some other things happened in my life unfortunately while I 635 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 6: was filming the show that were really really difficult. A 636 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 6: very very dear friend of mine who I had some 637 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 6: significant investments with for a long period of time, which 638 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 6: she explained a little bit of it. I'm sure she 639 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 6: doesn't want to, you know, air out all my private stuff, 640 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 6: but he did me real bad, and I found out 641 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 6: the same night that I went to the house, So 642 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 6: like that whole day was just was just real bad 643 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 6: on so many levels. And I don't think she understood 644 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 6: the severity of what was going on back home, So 645 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 6: you know, it's I think that I was hopeful that 646 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 6: regardless of what ended up happening, that we would find 647 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 6: a way to kind of like to come to each 648 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 6: other in a way that we would experience something else 649 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 6: and then come back and say, is this something else 650 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 6: worth leaving the relationship or is it something that we 651 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 6: missed in each other and we can build and grow 652 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 6: from there. But I didn't get to spend time with anyone, 653 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 6: so I don't know, you know, I have no idea. 654 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 2: Post show or the reunion. You said you're with someone, 655 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: Are you still with someone? 656 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 6: Yeah? Yeah, I am. Yeah. 657 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's great, you're happy. 658 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 6: I'm very happy. Stagecoach Jez, She's yeah. She's in health 659 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 6: and wellness, she's in functional medicine. She's also just the 660 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 6: way we communicate is there's a method called I mago. 661 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys are familiar with it. 662 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 6: It's it's kind of a way of mirroring each other's 663 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 6: ideas about the conversation, so you reiterate to each other 664 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 6: what you're saying in the moment, and we do a 665 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 6: lot of that mirror work, and it's it's been incredibly helpful. 666 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 6: I learned it years ago in like a kind of 667 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 6: like a hippie to be you know, you retreat, and 668 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 6: we've been implementing it a lot. And it's crazy because you, 669 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 6: instead of reacting to the something that your partner says, 670 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,959 Speaker 6: you actually just have to mirror it and ask if 671 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 6: they're complete. So you're processing what they're saying completely before 672 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 6: you have a rebuttal to it or whatever, you know, 673 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 6: childhood stuff that comes up. And it's it's been it's 674 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 6: been quite impactful, and we are very happy. We are 675 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 6: still long distance ish, which is challenging, but I think 676 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 6: that'll shift in the next few months for sure. 677 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 3: I love that. 678 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,959 Speaker 2: I'm kind of slump semi back to the edit. What 679 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 2: what did you think when they did the edit of 680 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 2: when JR said the thing about the Hall Pass. 681 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 6: I mean, nothing really surprised me about JR, to be 682 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 6: honest with you, like I I think he's great for TV, 683 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 6: and you know, I think that's that's where you know 684 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,719 Speaker 6: he was. I think that's where his mindset was during it. 685 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 6: I don't think that, you know, especially after talking to 686 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 6: Zana and seeing you know what she experienced with him. 687 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 6: I think that they were definitely on different pages going 688 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 6: into it. I think he was hamming it up and 689 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 6: saying things and playing his part. I don't know him personally, 690 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 6: but I will say that the interactions with him that 691 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 6: I've had post show have been nothing but you know, 692 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 6: kind and gracious. And he even came up to me 693 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 6: and apologized and said, you know, look, Mandon man, like 694 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 6: I don't know you, but I also thought that you 695 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 6: were one of the guys that outside of this I'd 696 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 6: be friends with. It just so happened that I was, 697 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 6: you know, partnered with your person. And I think that's 698 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 6: really awkward for anybody. It would have been, you know, 699 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 6: it would have been interesting to see. I think part 700 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 6: of what I regret is that I didn't just kind 701 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 6: of step back and let them fully go for the 702 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 6: EXPERI sperience, because I was contacting Sandy, and I mean 703 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 6: everyone was contacting everyone. Anybody that says they weren't talking 704 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 6: to their partner on that show is you know, it's 705 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 6: just not true. Still think I don't. I I don't 706 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 6: think that sucks. I mean, she has sworn up down 707 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 6: left right now. I don't. I don't believe that they 708 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 6: did because I believe that I and if they did 709 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 6: or didn't, I don't really know if it matters, Like 710 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 6: it's it's we're done now. I mean watching it back, 711 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 6: I had been, so we went through a pretty hard breakup, 712 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 6: even post show, and I was I had moved on 713 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 6: from it at that point completely, So watching it back 714 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 6: was honestly like watching a movie. I just was. Obviously 715 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 6: it hurt. It still hurts to see, you know, your 716 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 6: person that going through something like that, but I don't 717 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 6: think it would have changed anything. And I'm actually great 718 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 6: full that we broke up because had we been together 719 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 6: and stayed together and I had to watch that back 720 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 6: while we were together, Like, come on, that would have 721 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 6: been given. Can you imagine if passed you to marry me, 722 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 6: if things went well and she said yes, and we 723 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 6: had to watch that, Like that's not something your relationship 724 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 6: could stay out? 725 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 3: How does a relationship work? 726 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 6: You know? 727 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 2: Back to your things insane. On a side note, where 728 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 2: are you selling your art? Because when you were going 729 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 2: through that downward spiral, when you were painting, I really 730 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 2: like that piece of art was painting. 731 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, so directly, I have a website 732 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 6: but those two pieces that I did on the show, 733 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 6: so like that, which I'm not surprised, I guess, but 734 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 6: I will I can you know, I'll send you guys 735 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 6: some information and my availability. And I've got a lot 736 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 6: more pieces that have come out lately, some some stuff 737 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 6: that's it's pretty cool and yeah, so I sell directly 738 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 6: through my website. I have a gallery that I work 739 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 6: with out in the desert, have a gallery I work 740 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 6: with in La although I don't know right now, but 741 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 6: I will definitely set you guys up to buy if 742 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 6: you're interested. 743 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 3: Awesomely love that. 744 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 2: And then what do you think, what's the one thing 745 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 2: that you're like, you like justice for Nick, like with 746 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 2: the edit, Like, is there one thing where like this 747 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 2: is what I want people to know because they saw 748 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:17,440 Speaker 2: something different. 749 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 6: I just I think I would like people to know me, 750 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 6: you know. I think it's it's you you get this 751 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 6: version of And that's the thing about you know, I 752 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 6: never thought in my a million years, I thought of 753 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 6: anything I would do scripted. I never thought I would 754 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 6: do a reality show. You know. It's so and I 755 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 6: think as you being in the industry and knowing like you, 756 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 6: you have to have some sort of creative control and 757 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 6: for me, especially as an artist, like I'm not going 758 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 6: to give up my creative control at the end of 759 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 6: finishing a piece, you know. So it's it's wild I 760 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 6: think that. Oh man, it's it's just so hard to 761 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 6: look back and look at yourself and like know that 762 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 6: they've kind of taken the worst version of you. And 763 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 6: I just hope the more people are interested in having 764 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 6: a conversation with me about who I really am, what 765 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 6: I'm about, and you know, it's it's not what you see, 766 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 6: It's really not. It's it couldn't be a further departure. 767 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 3: I love that. 768 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 2: Well, Nick, thanks for coming on. We really appreciate you. 769 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 6: And thank you for having me everything with. 770 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 2: Your relationship and we hope you guys have lots of 771 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 2: babies and. 772 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 6: That you want so thank you. 773 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 3: I knows a good look