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Speaker 2: Well, hey, they are Melly to Jericho melely. This is

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Speaker 2: a big episode. We're talking about Southern Gothic and cat

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Speaker 2: on a hot tin roof, which is a topic very

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Speaker 1: You just said roof.

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Speaker 2: That's how I say it. In Minnesota, I say roof.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like, you can't do this properly.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever lived in the South, have you spent

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Speaker 1: Have you spent time in South at all?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I have. I have been to Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas. Yeh,

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Speaker 2: been to all those places. I've never been to North

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Speaker 2: or South Carolina. But you consider that the south too, right,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I just saw TikTok the other day. That was a

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Speaker 1: and the best reasoning that I've ever heard, because, as

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Speaker 2: I feel like, well, what do you consider the true

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Speaker 1: Dirty South would be anything below? I would say below

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Speaker 2: So you consider Virginia the South.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I do. I do definitely West Virginia.

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Speaker 1: But I would say Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi.

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Speaker 2: It's so weird that Miami's even in that state.

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Speaker 1: Miami is it's like New Orleans. It's like this old

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, well, Millie, we got a lot of Southern

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Speaker 2: I just want to hear what's going on? You know

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so I figured I would do a line

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Speaker 1: Ken on a Hot tin Roof. My one of my

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Speaker 1: That is about it, But stay tuned. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: Alrighty, folks, you are listening to Dear Movies, I Love you.

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Speaker 1: This is a podcast for those who are in a

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Speaker 1: very problematic relationship with films. Maybe there's some you know,

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Speaker 2: But it feels so good, that's right.

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Speaker 1: My name is Millia Chargo.

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Speaker 2: I'm Casey O'Brien, and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this entire episode is the This is like my

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Speaker 1: version of our Purple Rain episode where it's extremely location specific,

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Speaker 2: So Millie, very quickly, I'm deterring us already. I have

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Speaker 2: to know. I have a question for you, Oh boy, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: tell me about your taco bell experiments that you've been conducting.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this I actually have to go back a

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Speaker 2: So this is it's like the Eyes Wide Shut Society.

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Speaker 1: So basically this is an incredible heirloom bean distributor or manufacturer.

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Speaker 1: about you, but I'm still fuck heavy with Taco Bell. Okay, good.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely love it. It's the one I gotta say.

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Speaker 1: Well you know what I mean, Like you're not yeah,

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Speaker 2: Do you think the Bean club president would be mad

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Speaker 1: The takeaway case is eat a cold bean burrito.

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Speaker 2: or this is a movie podcast. And we start every

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you, like a real ask question, what

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Speaker 2: my you know, seventh Samurai type movies as a part

433
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 2: of my studies, you know. But sometimes I just want

434
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: to watch something kind of schlocky and violent and sci fi.

435
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: And I really like sci fi action, big budget movies.

436
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: I love Starship Troopers, So I seek out movies like that. Yeah,

437
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: and Dread was a movie like that that ended up

438
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: on my list because I feel like people have talked

439
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: positively about that movie. It's an Alex Garland penned movie,

440
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: and so that's how I got there.

441
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: See, Yeah, I guess this is an age thing because

442
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this, I'm like, oh, I know Wood Harris.

443
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody else in this movie. I mean,

444
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,239
Speaker 1: I guess I do know domhal Gleason a little bit,

445
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: but it's like to me, I'm like, I have we

446
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: used a joke about this on I saw what she

447
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: did all the time that I have like a complete

448
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: and utter block to movies that were made in the

449
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: two thousands or later. I guess I was just out

450
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: there smoking cigarettes and running the streets.

451
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 2: It was like you were like unfrozen caveman lawyer, yes

452
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 2: of that time, and we've defrosted you and we're educating

453
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: you now.

454
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm like looking at the stuff going like, oh,

455
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: I barely remember what Looper twenty twelve.

456
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I exactly barely remember.

457
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 1: That movie that just came up next to Dread when

458
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: I can.

459
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like I haven't seen that, but yeahah.

460
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm just fascinating.

461
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: That's part of my process. And sometimes I love action movies.

462
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: I love sci fi movies. I mean I love movies.

463
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: I love Paul Verhoven movies. Sure, and I'm always kind

464
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 2: of chasing that high of RoboCop or uh, what's the

465
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: one with Arnold Swartzenegger? Why am I blanking on that one?

466
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: The Total movie?

467
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 2: No Total Recall. I love Total Recall. So I'm kind

468
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 2: of like chasing that high all the time. Okay. Anyways,

469
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 2: there's a movie I thought was good and I want

470
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: to talk about. It's called It's from twenty twenty four, okay,

471
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 2: and it's called Ephis Have you heard about this movie?

472
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: It's a baseball movie, and it is a really low

473
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 2: budget small movie. And here's the kind of synopsis. As

474
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: an imminent construction project looms over their beloved small town

475
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: baseball field, a pair of New England w REC teams

476
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: face off for the last time, Tensions flare up, and

477
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: ceremonial laughs are shared as an era of camaraderie and

478
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: escapism fades into an uncertain future. It's a really good,

479
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: just kind of like slacker baseball movie of these old

480
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: farts playing baseball one last time in their rec leagues.

481
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 2: But it's really slow too. It's like a it's basically

482
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: you're watching an entire base ball game, and it's really interesting.

483
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 2: And structurally it's unlike anything I've ever seen. But it's

484
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: also really funny and silly, and it's just like a

485
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: bunch of old farts yelling at each other and playing baseball.

486
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: And I think you'd really like it, Milly.

487
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,239
Speaker 1: I am I seeing this right that Frederick Wiseman is

488
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: in the cast.

489
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: Frederick Wiseman does like he's like a radio voice that

490
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 2: you hear or twice. So he's not in it.

491
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: Oh god. I was like, oh my god, that would

492
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: be amazing if he was acting in a film.

493
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: No, but it's it's I think you this is like

494
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 2: right up your alley. Oh, I think, Millie. So I

495
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: really enjoyed it. I thought it was really interesting.

496
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: Aphis is spelled e e p h.

497
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: Us yes, and it's a pitch. It's a specific pitch.

498
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: Oh. I see, Yeah, this looks cool. I'm like, I'm

499
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: googling it and gone, damn, this this is going.

500
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: There's actually two guys from Uncut Gems that are in it.

501
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: I see old old guys. Yeah, uh yeah, check it out.

502
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: Great, Athis will do.

503
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: It's great. All right, we really got to move on here.

504
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 2: Let's close it up.

505
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: Oh god, Dusty crusty Milly threw her back out, closing

506
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 4: the diary.

507
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 2: All right, moving on to our main discussion, which is

508
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: Southern Gothic movies and cat on a Hot Tin roof

509
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: from nineteen fifty eight. Did I say it normal that time?

510
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: Because I usually say roof?

511
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you did say it normal. Were you

512
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: trying to say it normal?

513
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: I was trying to say roof normally? Okay, thank you,

514
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Millie. This was the first time

515
00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: watch for me, and I'm a fan of Southern Gothic movies.

516
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: But I guess and literature. I've read a lot of

517
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: Flannery O'Connor have you. But what do you what in

518
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: your estimation? It doesn't need to be the you know,

519
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: the dictionary definition. What do you make something Southern Gothic?

520
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: So okay without going into a huge history lesson of course.

521
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know you'll forgive me if I'm

522
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: not going to go beat by beat into like the

523
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: entire history of the term, and you know, the literature

524
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: and everything like that, right, So what I consider.

525
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: Lay off, MILLI everybody gets historians back off?

526
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I don't have to be comprehensive. I'm not

527
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: the Encyclopedia Britannica. Okay, to me, Southern Gothic is a tradition.

528
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: It's sort of a vibe. It's a genre. I personally

529
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: think that there's a couple of different, you know, topics

530
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: or sort of recurring themes that pop up because the South,

531
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: as you know, very historical, lots of tragedy, some good

532
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: stuff too, but a lot of you know, big issues

533
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: played out done here. There was like, you know, where

534
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: slavery happened. It's where you know, race riots happened. It's where,

535
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of the South is very

536
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: like it has a lot of you know, darkness mixed

537
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: with the lightness, because the South can also be very

538
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: sunny and warm and friendly. Everybody feels like Southerners are

539
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: super extra friendly and they want to tell you their

540
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: life story every time we talk to him at a

541
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: gas station. It's that kind of vibe. So it's kind

542
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: of like a swirling duality, if you will, kind of

543
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: the way we talked about it in the noir episode

544
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: with you know La, right, La is sunny but dark,

545
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: same thing I think, I think when it comes like

546
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: down to it, if you want to kind of pick

547
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: out a couple of recurring themes that happen within this

548
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: kind of Southern Gothic tradition. You've got obviously big topics

549
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: of class and race and all these like big kind

550
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: of social issues that play into a lot of the stories.

551
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: Right these like Southern Gothic tales, you know a lot

552
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: about outsiders that come in. I mean a lot of

553
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: times it's you know, people who you know. I mean,

554
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: if you think about to Kill a Mockingbird, which I

555
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: feel like is probably the most famous Southern Gothic story

556
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: that has you know, been written at least until this point,

557
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: where you know, if it's not to Kill a Mockingbird,

558
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: it's it's it's in the top three for sure. But

559
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: as we know about to Kill a Mockingbird, it's about

560
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: race and violence and you know, mental illness, and you

561
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: know this kind of these kind of things. It's all

562
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: about the ways in which we treat people who are

563
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: different than us. And I think that that's a common

564
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: theme within Southern Gothic literature and storytelling. You also have

565
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: the kind of idea of the kind of decaying or

566
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: the breaking down of institutions. You think about stories like Streetcard,

567
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: Name Desire, you know, It was read by Tennessee Williams.

568
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: Even if you think about like Belle reeve about this

569
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: like decaying plantation, this you know idea of like things

570
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: are breaking down, right, Marriages are breaking down, people's mental

571
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: states are breaking down. You know, towns are breaking down

572
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: and becoming ghost down. So is there's this kind of

573
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: like recurring decay theme happening in a lot of these stories.

574
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: But also you have this like a lot of times

575
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: it's very darkly humorous, So you've got like, you know,

576
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: dark humor people who are kind of it's like there's

577
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: an irony a lot of times with certain characters, you know,

578
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: people who shouldn't be best friends or best friends, and

579
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: you're like, how is that even possible? You know, thinking

580
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: about like The Heart is a Lonely Hunter that was

581
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: written by Carson McCullers about you know, that sort of

582
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: thing of like two unlikely people hanging out together. There's

583
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: also a lot of times, uh, you know, there's like

584
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: kind of supernatural elements too, like you know, sometimes it's magic,

585
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: sometimes it's kind of fantastical worlds. I mean, I would

586
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: say that the movie Eves by You is like a

587
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: Southern Gothic tale and of course you know about that movie,

588
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: and if you've seen that movie, it's about like magic

589
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: and you know, and like sort of that that kind

590
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: of thing. And so I don't know. I mean, I

591
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of different kind of recurring things

592
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: that are happening. A lot of family strife. That's a

593
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: huge one. That's a huge thing for Tennessee Williams, but

594
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: it's also for Pat Conroy, who is one of my

595
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: favorite Southern Gothic writers. So yeah, I mean, I would

596
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: say there there was I think when it comes to film, right,

597
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: so there was the proliferation of film adaptations that were

598
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: happening kind of in the fifties and sixties in Hollywood, right,

599
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: And if you think about people like William Faulkner and

600
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: Carson McCullers and Flannery O'Connor and Tennessee Williams, you know,

601
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: they were kind of writing stories in like the thirties

602
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: and forties, and so a lot of their work was

603
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: being adapted, like in the fifties and sixties in Hollywood,

604
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: which including kad on a Hot and Roof. But you've

605
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: got stuff like to Kill a Mockingbird. Harper Lee obviously

606
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 1: wrote that in Cold Blood, Truman Capoti and other big

607
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: Southern Gothic writer Flannery O'Connor doing Wise Blood. You know,

608
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: like I said, I mentioned Streetcar, I mentioned The Heartest

609
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: a Lonely Hunter, the Sound and the Fury. I personally,

610
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: like I said, I love Pat Conroy and it's because

611
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: I grew up in South Carolina a little bit when

612
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: I was a child. So I think the Prince of

613
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: Tides and the Great Santini are like like Southern Gothic

614
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: master pieces, if you will so, But I would say

615
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: that there was a golden period, which I feel like

616
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: is in the era of cat On a Hot and Roof.

617
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: There was a kind of stable of actors that were

618
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: appearing in a lot of these Tennessee Williams adaptations, including

619
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: Paul Newman and Elizabeth Taylor.

620
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

621
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: I think when we were kind of talking about Southern Gothic,

622
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I feel like kat On the

623
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: Hotten Roof has to be the anchor film because it

624
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: is the kind of best representation of everything.

625
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting you were talking about, you know, like

626
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: the decay of these sort of historical structures in the

627
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: Southern Gothic genre. And I think a lot of the

628
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: characters in Southern Gothic literature are both tangling with their

629
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: own personal conflicts and personal issues that they have with

630
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: people in their family and themselves internally, but they also

631
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: are kind of battling these larger historical traditions which are

632
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: sometimes decaying. And it's like whether they're trying to uphold

633
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: those historical traditions or those historical traditions are crushing them,

634
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: you know. But it's it's kind of something that is

635
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: always it feels like looming. It's kind of this fog

636
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: over all of these all these movies and all these

637
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: books that there's this sort of this, yeah, this historical

638
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 2: weight that everybody is carrying well, and to me, I.

639
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: Feel like there is something to be said for you know,

640
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: a lot of these Southern Gothic writers were queer m

641
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: and they had to. They're writing stories, you know, about outsiders,

642
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: about people who have to like natural desires that are

643
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: being suppressed by family or by you know, church or government.

644
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like that is such a Southern thing. Yeah,

645
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: And I know this because I used to DJ in

646
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: a gay bar for like a decade, where you would like,

647
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: this is something this is the thing, you know, I

648
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: guess the South has a lot of traditions. There's a

649
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: lot of religion here. You can't deny that that is,

650
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, a part of the Southern Gothic literature tradition

651
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: or like some of the influences that pop up with

652
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: writers like Carson McCullers and Truman Capodi.

653
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was a very defined correct way to

654
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: be somebody, like be a person in the South or

655
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: within these Southern Gothic movies and books and stuff. But

656
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: and if you kind of fall out of that very

657
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: narrow pathway, you are an outsider. It's very easy to

658
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: be an outsider, almost.

659
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And I think, I mean just not

660
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,720
Speaker 1: not to talk about myself personally too much, but I

661
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: I mean I grew up in the South. I mean

662
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: I basically have lived in the South since I was

663
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: five years old. I was obviously like a child of immigrants,

664
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: so like two people that didn't learn even from this country.

665
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: And I grew up you know, with like rural South

666
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: Carolina and suburban Georgia basically, and in a lot of ways,

667
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: I think that's why I gravitate towards Southern Gothic literature

668
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: and films and the kind of again the vibe of

669
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: the Southern Gothic, because I feel like I was like

670
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: my own little Southern Gothic character for much of my

671
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: life living here and still do. I mean, you're right

672
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: that it's easy to be an outsider here. I mean

673
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: I when I was like in middle school, in high school,

674
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: I was it was really hard to find even people

675
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: who look like me. And I'm half white, you know

676
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it was like, yeah, there was

677
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: My high school was extremely white, like ninety percent white,

678
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: and it was really like, I think it was hard

679
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: for somebody like me to not feel like an outcast

680
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: because I was just like, oh, I don't my parents

681
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: aren't Baptists, you know, they don't go to the same

682
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: little things that all my my, the neighbors of all

683
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: the white kids go to. They don't have that, you know,

684
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: that sort of like Southern tradition of like, you know,

685
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: whatever it is like making you know, collared greens and

686
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: cornbread and things like that. You know. I grew to

687
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: love all that stuff because I just it's everywhere down here.

688
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, I so I still feel like

689
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: a big weirdo because I do consider myself a Southern person.

690
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: I do have a lot of Southernism in me, even

691
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: though you know, my family moved here, you know, when

692
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: I was a child, and I have all these other

693
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: influences that are like from other parts of the world.

694
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 1: So it's interesting, I mean, and that's I think again,

695
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: like to your I just really do feel like it is.

696
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: It is a tradition of outsiderness and otherness that is

697
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: really interesting, and that's a good way to come into

698
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: a film or a piece of literature.

699
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: So well, let me, do you mind if I do

700
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 2: the Oh yes, yes, please for cat On a Hot

701
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: Tin Roof. So this is from nineteen fifty eight cat

702
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 2: On a Hot ten Roof former football star and current

703
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: day drunk Brick Poult played by Paul Newman. He returns

704
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: home to his somewhat estranged family's Mississippi plantation. He's there

705
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: to celebrate his father's birthday and to hear news on

706
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: his father, Big Daddy, played by burl Ives. He's there

707
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: to hear his cancer diagnosis, So news comes back. Big

708
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: Daddy comes back with Big MoMA and he's apparently healthy,

709
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: so parties on. In the meantime, Let's navigate his recently

710
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: broken ankle. He broke it jumping hurdles at the local

711
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: his former high school while he was drunk, his unhappy

712
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 2: wife Maggie played by Elizabeth Taylor, the most annoying children

713
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: on the planet, the no neck monsters as we alluded

714
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: to earlier, and his newly reinvigorated horny dad. That's all happening.

715
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: It's all one kind of evening. So that's Kat on

716
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 2: a hot tin roof.

717
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I gotta tell you, I know, we have

718
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about with this.

719
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: There's so much. This is a rich tex this is.

720
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: A rich text. So there was a moment where I

721
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: thought maybe I should actually introduce you to. Another Southern

722
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: Gothic tale from the late fifties is a movie called

723
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: The Long Hot Summer Okay, also from nineteen fifty eight,

724
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: also starring Paul Newman. This is a William Faulkner tail

725
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: because there is a character in that movie who is

726
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: played by Orson Wells, Yes, who is basically it's almost

727
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: like Orson Wells is doing a burrel Ives impression, Like

728
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: it's like the big puffy Southern dad guy, yeah, who

729
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: like runs the town and he's like meddling in all

730
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: of his kids' lives. Yeah, and he's like kind of

731
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: you know, basically like ruined. Like you know, he's like

732
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: the guy that's like gonna shut down your small business

733
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: if you fuck with him and his boys type of thing. Yes,

734
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: that kind of like the the sheriff, but not really

735
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: you know, he's like running everything. And so this is

736
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: I feel like a stock character. And there's a lot

737
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: of stock characters in Southern Gothic tradition, and one of

738
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: them is the like really overblown southern dad guy that's

739
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 1: just like me. What she says often the mendacity.

740
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: Yes, did you know what mendacity meant before you on me?

741
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: I'd never heard that word before. But they do define it.

742
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: They're like mendacity pertaining to lies and liars, they like

743
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: say the definition in the movie.

744
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: Well, because essentially that's what the movie is about, is

745
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: like secrets and lies. Right, Yes, Because okay, you've got

746
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: this structure where and I will say, I think we

747
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: should know by now that the production code is very

748
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: well alive in this era. So there is a lot

749
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: that is left out. I mean, obviously the place is

750
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: a lot different than the movie.

751
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: Well, this is what I wanted to get into immediately

752
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: with this is that Tennessee Williams was apparently unhappy with

753
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 2: things they kind of cut out of the movie. Apparently

754
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: the play is much more overtly gay, And I understand that,

755
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: but I also it to me it was fairly obvious

756
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: early on that Paul Newman aka Brick was in love

757
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: with this guy Skipper who had killed himself. He's not

758
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: in the movie. He it's in the pasture, but he

759
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: obviously was in love with him. Yes, And I thought

760
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: the movie did a pretty good job of making that

761
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: fairly obvious while still you know, obeying the rules of

762
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: the time.

763
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think, yeah, I think it's probably

764
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: one of the better coded if you will situations, because

765
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: I I don't know, if it's like you would look

766
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: at if you were of today's mind, you would look

767
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: at this movie and be like, what the fuck are

768
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: they talking about? Like, but you know, if you if

769
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: you understand production code and you understand the ways in

770
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: which Hollywood had to like hide the fact that they

771
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: were talking about risk stuff, then you'd be like, Okay,

772
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: it's it's doing a pretty good job of towing that line.

773
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: But most of the Tennessee, Williams stuff was a lot,

774
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 1: a lot nastier than what they the movie was about.

775
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think about like Sweet Bird of Youth,

776
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: and you know, like even Streetcar. There's just a lot

777
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: of stuff that gets taken out of the play that

778
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: and is sort of cleaned up for the movie. But yeah,

779
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the the interesting thing about Paul Newman because

780
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: Paul Newman was not a Southerner, right, isn't he from

781
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: like Massachusetts or something?

782
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: Shaker Of course?

783
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: What am I an idiot? The only reason why I

784
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: know Shaker Heights, so sad to say, is because of

785
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: Paul Newman. But Paul Newman, both in this film and

786
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: in The Long Hot Summer, I feel like nineteen fifty

787
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: eight was his fucking year. Could have been hotter, couldn't

788
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: have been hotter?

789
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 2: Uh, peak peak hotness. It's almost it's again We've talked

790
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 2: about this before, where someone's so hot in a movie

791
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 2: that's inappropriate and should it should be commented on by others?

792
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: The lawn Yeah, of course, yes, yes, he is so

793
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: unbelievably hot. So is Elizabeth Taylor. She looks in They

794
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: both it's incredible. Yeah, firing on all cylinders scorching.

795
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: Scorching on all cylinders. Yeah, this was both their absolute

796
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you know many people be like, oh, actually no,

797
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: it's a place in the sun. No, no, no. Elizabeth

798
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: Taylor as her like fully formed, hot, voluptuous mama self

799
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: is perfect in this movie.

800
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: I think Paul Newman invented abs in this mix, like

801
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: we'd never seen them before.

802
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: Abs as if we've never seen before. But I think

803
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: that the central conflict is is actually an interesting one,

804
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: which is that Elizabeth Taylor aka Maggie the Cat, she

805
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: just wants to fuck her husband. She just is like

806
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: horny for him, and it's like, what's the vibe, dude,

807
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: Like I love you, I worship you, I want to

808
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: like touch those abs, yes, and yet you're drinking yourself

809
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: to death and I don't know what to do.

810
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: I love when she was like, usually when men drink,

811
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: they get less attractive, but you've gotten hotter somehow.

812
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's just like Paul Newman. I mean, wouldn't he

813
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: just like he could. He's the only person alive at

814
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: the time that could be hotter, wasted and bloated, you know,

815
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's just insane. He is sort of like

816
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: his character again, we're gonna talk more about Southern Gothic archetypes.

817
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: He is what I call the bisexual drunk, like a

818
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: guy who is so kind of torn up about the

819
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: fact that he might be attracted to more than one

820
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: gender that he kind.

821
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: Of drinks himself yeah.

822
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: Away when he can, just like if it wasn't for

823
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: his stupid ass southern family putting pressure on him to

824
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: like have kids, which is essentially what they're doing, Like

825
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: like big Daddy, and is that big Daddy, big big.

826
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 2: Papa, Papa, big daddy, Daddy, Mama, big Mama, sister mother,

827
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: brother daddy.

828
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't know all of these little Gooper, yeah, Gooper,

829
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: they're all they all want. Jack Carson plays Cooper right,

830
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: forgot about that. I love Jack Carson, but it's they're

831
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: all just like putting pressure on him and Maggie to

832
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, what's the vibe, y'all ain't fucking and

833
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: having a bunch of kids. Then they're like, what's going

834
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: on here? Why is he drinking himself to death? He

835
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: must be gay? Like why don't you just say it

836
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: so we can ignore you and shun you. I mean,

837
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of like there's a moment where you're just

838
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: going like, well, what are they supposed to do? Like,

839
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: you know, obviously y'all aren't. Y'all ain't cool with this,

840
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: so let's uh, let's stop trying to pressure the truth

841
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: to come out, because it feels like that's a whole

842
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: other Southern Gothic movie is what happens when you get

843
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: shunned by your community and sent away to you know,

844
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: but it's you know, my thing about the Paul Newman

845
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: character is that it feels like that character is a

846
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: Southern Gothic stereotype that's sort of like sexually confused, using

847
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol to like numb the pain kind of thing.

848
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: It's people who are just like so fraught with, you know,

849
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: their own desires that they have to hide them that

850
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: it causes them to be addicts and drinkers. So this

851
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: movie is really just a stage for these two extremely

852
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: hot actors, Elizabeth Taylor Paul Neumann, to just stand in

853
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: a doorway looking hot.

854
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: We're in a bathrobe.

855
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: We're in a bathrobe with one crutch one crutch m h.

856
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: Standing it like, is there anybody who's been hotter in

857
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: a doorway than Elizabeth Taylor? You know, like, yeah, it's

858
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: obviously a play, so the space is contained in the film.

859
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: It's really kind of just a house, right, Yeah, and

860
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: there's just such a like very simple sexuality to it

861
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: because it is like repression.

862
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 5: Right.

863
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hot, people are sweating. We're in an old

864
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: southern house. There's probably no central ac so they're opening

865
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: all the windows. They're putting glasses of ice against their foreheads,

866
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: you know, like this is like again, another part of

867
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: I think what Southern tradition, Southern Gothic tradition is is

868
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: that whole undercurrent of like a sweltering sensuality, heat induced sexuality.

869
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: You know, there's a cat on a hot tin roof,

870
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: can't put the paws down on the hot.

871
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: Tin mm hmmmm. Yeah, and it's raining, there's like a storm,

872
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: so that it does feel very trapped. But I didn't

873
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: feel like it. You know, sometimes when plays are adapted

874
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: into movies, it's like this feels like a play, But

875
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: it didn't feel like that to me.

876
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it does. There's some of his

877
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: stuff that feels a lot more like a play, like uh,

878
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: Suddenly Less So, which I think was the movie she

879
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: made at Like it came out right after Roof. That's

880
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: another Tennessee Williams story. It's kind of famous for. This

881
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: was Montgomery Cliffs, like when he kind of came back

882
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: on the scene after his horrible accident. Yeah, and had

883
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: the facial reconstruction surgery. But it's like another kind of

884
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 1: Southern Gothic tale. I mean that one is wilder. Actually,

885
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: if you want to get down to brass text, that

886
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: story is totally insane and then got sort of cleaned up.

887
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: Well it did get cleaned up for the film adaptation,

888
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: but if you read the actual play, you're like, oh god, damn,

889
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: like this is cannibals are involved, what the hell?

890
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: Oh shit?

891
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: But that to me feels a lot more like a play.

892
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,959
Speaker 1: I think it's really Yeah, I just think it's because

893
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: it's in like one small room and the blocking is

894
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: kind of strange. But yeah, kund of hot Roof, I

895
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: think moves a little bit better.

896
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: So well, Millie, something I wanted to ask you about

897
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: the Southern nickname. Do you have anything to talk about

898
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: with this history, because there's some wonderful h Paul Dooman's

899
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: character's name is Brick. How would you like to be

900
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 2: named Brick? What a name, and there's Big Daddy, there's Gooper,

901
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: Big Mama, Skipper Cat. I guess yeah, is this a

902
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: thing in the South that people are Is it a

903
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: nicknaming place it can be?

904
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it's kind of fallen out

905
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: of fashion these days, but I think everybody who was

906
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 1: born and raised in the South has like a cousin

907
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: or an uncle that's called like dirt Leg or some

908
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: shit like you know.

909
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 2: It's like dirt Leg.

910
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: And in fact, if you want to email us at

911
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: Dear Movies at exactly rightmedia dot com, if you got

912
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: a real if you can prove in some way that

913
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: you've got like a relative that has like a crazy

914
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: Southern nickname, like a cbe radio name type of thing,

915
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: let's know.

916
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: I was just so taken aback by Brick. I love

917
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 2: the nickname Brick.

918
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: Can you come up with one for yourself?

919
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,479
Speaker 2: I don't know one for myself. Well, I'm not really

920
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: supposed to give myself a beef beef beef beef uh

921
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 2: beef it be beat beefer. It'd be beefer beefer.

922
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: Up, Brian Hey, go down to the Volunteer fire department,

923
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: go get beefer O'Brien, tell him that is his uncle

924
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: had fallen down on the porch again, and he probably

925
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 1: needs to go get his fake leg this time, because

926
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: he's hopping around on out one leg and you know

927
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: he can't do that. Beefer, come get you, Come get

928
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: your uncle.

929
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 2: What about you, Milly? What's yours? What's yours? Do you

930
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: have one? I guess Jesus.

931
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 1: Christ, No, at least I don't think so, unless somebody's

932
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: calling me something that I don't know about. I don't know, y'all.

933
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of want to be I don't know.

934
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: I think about like cebe radio names. I'd be like

935
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: a Dusty.

936
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 2: Beaver, Dusty Beaver, Dusty Beaver. Yeah, Dusty is great Dusty,

937
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,760
Speaker 2: all right, Dusty, but I would it would.

938
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: Be Dusty dust Ee.

939
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 2: Well. I think the funniest nickname in the movie is

940
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 2: Gooper because his real name in the movie is Cooper

941
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 2: with a C H, but everyone calls him Gooper, which

942
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: is very like appropriate for that character. He is kind

943
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 2: of a goop Gooper.

944
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: The sister woman thing is insane.

945
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: Sister woman, that's what the men, that's what they like

946
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 2: call women that are It's like someone that you're like

947
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: related to basically as a woman.

948
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: Like an antie.

949
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of yeah, antie, Like Paul Newman calls his

950
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: sister in law sister woman, but it's sort of like

951
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 2: insulting a little bit, calling somebody a woman like that,

952
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 2: sister woman.

953
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: The phrase sister woman could also be used in a

954
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 1: more general sense to a ferneral woman who's considered a

955
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: friend or sisterly figure. I see, Oh yeah, I am sure.

956
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: It probably goes back a long, long long time. You

957
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: could be called sister woman. Do I want Burrel Eyes

958
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: to be screaming it at me in reference to me?

959
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: No?

960
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: I think it's all fun and well to be a

961
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 1: sister woman until an old, scary Southern white demon guy

962
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: is screaming it at you.

963
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: Millie. Is there anything else you wanted to touch upon

964
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: with Kat on a hot tin roof?

965
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: No. I will say that this was my early entry

966
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: point into my love for Southern gothicness. I can't tell

967
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: you how personally attached I feel to this genre, this essence,

968
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: this vibe. It's my favorite of all time. Like, in

969
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: terms of if you want to come up with like

970
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: a genre or microgenre that I personally love, it's this.

971
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we still see the Southern Gothic

972
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: tradition like Alive and Well in a movie is like Sinners,

973
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: for example. I mean I would say Sinners is a

974
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: Southern Gothic tale. I mean I mentioned Eves by you.

975
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: But then there's stuff like, I mean, the Prince of Tides.

976
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: Don't even get me started. I went, I did an

977
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: entire bonus episode of I Saw, which did on the

978
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: Prince of Tides and my love for that. But you've

979
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: got stuff like yeah, Angel Heart and you know, Deliverance

980
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: Interview with the Vampire, which I actually mentioned earlier. But

981
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: it was like, there aren't moments of Southern gothicness still

982
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: happening in films, and I love it. And it's like

983
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: the moment it like it connects and clicks with me.

984
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, I love this. I love this vibe.

985
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: I love this tradition. I love the storytelling. So I'm

986
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: glad we got to, you know, pick this, pick this

987
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: movie and chew on this bone for a while.

988
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 2: Me too. It was like such a delight to watch this.

989
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: And like Paul Newman and Elizabeth Taylor, they're so beautiful.

990
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: They don't make movie stars like that anymore. They just

991
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: like they're cut from marble. I mean, they just they visually.

992
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: I was absolutely hypnotized by their presence on screen. One

993
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: thing I will say, I was so disgusted by those

994
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 2: no neck children, particularly when the girl put both her

995
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,439
Speaker 2: hands in the ice cream and Goop was like, why

996
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: don't you wash your hands first before you do that?

997
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 2: And I was like, these are It was a great

998
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: way of setting those characters up because I was like,

999
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: I hate these people. These are the enemy.

1000
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, I think this movie. I mean,

1001
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, I suppose this movie is over fifty years

1002
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: old or is about to be fifty years old.

1003
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: Spoiler alert.

1004
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: Maggie does have a life in her okay, meaning she

1005
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: porked her husband at some point maybe he didn't realize it,

1006
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: but now she got a baby in that belly. However,

1007
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: this entire movie is about how you should not have

1008
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: children and how annoying they are, and how you should never,

1009
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: you know, become the fucking sister in law and brother

1010
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: in law family that runs around unless their kids do

1011
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: discussing things and they're just like doting on the parents

1012
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: in a very fake way in order to get into

1013
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: people's wills and things.

1014
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: Wait, I thought that wasn't actually pregnant, that she was lying.

1015
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: I thought she was pregnant. Am I wrong about it? No?

1016
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 2: I thought she said she was pregnant. And so that's

1017
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 2: why Paul Newman at the end is like, let's fuck

1018
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: to put the baby.

1019
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: Ah, you're right about that. You're right about that.

1020
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: Which I in my notes I did say this is

1021
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: the same ending as Eyes Wide Shut, when Nicole Kidman

1022
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 2: says let's fuck. Paul Newman basically says that to Elizabeth

1023
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: Taylor and it's great, Oh right.

1024
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: Because then Burl Lives is like, yeah, the Magg's got

1025
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: a life in her and she's.

1026
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: Like he he not yet, so not yet. But that

1027
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 2: was a good That was a good way of getting

1028
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 2: Paul Newman to pork her.

1029
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: I should try it sometime, be like I'm pregnant and

1030
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: they're like, are you really? I'm like no, but I'm

1031
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: on to.

1032
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 2: Be well fabulous. I loved it, and thank you Millie

1033
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 2: for bringing this movie to our show and to me personally.

1034
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: Oh, you're so welcome.

1035
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 2: Moving on, we've got film advice where your film advisors

1036
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 2: and we're here to advise you. Millie. I'm gonna play

1037
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 2: a voicemail for you.

1038
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,919
Speaker 6: Okay, hi Millian Casey, this is Jackie from New York.

1039
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 6: I just listened to your episode about the Coppola kids

1040
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 6: and Sophia Coppola was referred to as the ultimate Nepo baby.

1041
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 6: But it just got me thinking about how in recent

1042
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 6: years NEPO babies have gotten such a bad name, and

1043
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 6: it's like become a thing where people are less likely

1044
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 6: to have respect for actors or filmmakers who are Nepo babies.

1045
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 6: And obviously there are so many that are mainstream these days,

1046
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 6: but it almost feels like they try to hide their

1047
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 6: NEPO baby origin since we've all as a society kind

1048
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 6: of turned on them, Whereas in the past it kind

1049
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 6: of felt like it was more interesting or respected if

1050
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 6: a NEPO baby was in a film or made a film.

1051
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 6: It kind of gave it more street cred.

1052
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 5: So I just want to get your take on the

1053
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 5: NEPO babies in film conversation and do you have a

1054
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 5: favorite film in involving a NEPO baby.

1055
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 2: Thank you for this wonderful topic, Jackie, Really, did anything

1056
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 2: come to mind for you?

1057
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know what's so funny. First of all, I'm

1058
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: convinced that Jackie is a NEPO baby, and now I'm

1059
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: trying to figure out whose NEPO baby she is.

1060
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 2: Mmm, you think she's calling in because she wants some

1061
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 2: NEPO baby validation.

1062
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I think she's like, I'm a NEPO baby, and

1063
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: I feel like we're getting a bad rap, and so

1064
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to couch that conversation in a question to

1065
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: a podcast. Listen, I'm here's the thing. I think you're

1066
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: absolutely right. I do think that NEPO babies were celebrated

1067
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: At one point, at least it felt like there was

1068
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: a good, good feelings towards them, and I feel like

1069
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: it still continues. I mean, there are certain NEPO babies,

1070
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: so I feel like, if you wanted to do the

1071
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: like ven diagram thing, I think it's like the hatred

1072
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: for netper babies is in direct proportion to like how

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Speaker 1: annoying they are. So like everybody, I mean, I actually

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Speaker 1: know people that love Chet Hanks, but most everybody hate

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Speaker 1: Chet Hanks for being an idiot or whatever. Then there's

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Speaker 1: people like Wyatt Russell, who is Kurt Russell, and Goldie

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Speaker 1: hans Child who thrives. I feel like without was pretty much, no,

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Speaker 1: no smoke.

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Speaker 2: I think I think the thing is it's like I

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Speaker 2: think neple babies are being too sensitive and they're calling

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Speaker 2: too much attention to it because whenever somebody asks the

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Speaker 2: Nepple baby like, oh, do you think it was easier

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Speaker 2: to make it because you're a Nepple baby, they freak out. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They should just be like, yeah it was.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I feel like, if as the

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Speaker 1: NEPO baby, you are unfortunate position, you can't be like

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Speaker 1: too good. I feel like, if you can come across

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Speaker 1: this total normal person, we love you. If you seem

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01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: special or protected or extra rich an extra fancy in

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Speaker 1: any way, you're getting that hate. That's just the way

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Speaker 1: it is.

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01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: So one of my favorite modern NEPO babies. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you uh follow his TikTok, but Jason Ritter,

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Speaker 1: you know Jason Ridder. Yes, I like Jason Riddle, John

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Speaker 1: Ritter's son. I find him very charming. He's extremely funny.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen him like doing the fan dancing like

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Speaker 1: he know, Oh my god, dude, I send it to

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Speaker 1: like every person I know. He does these like dances.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's in his living room. Then he decided

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Speaker 1: that he wanted to learn how to use a fan

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Speaker 1: in a dance, and interesting, I was laughing my fucking

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Speaker 1: ass off. I thought it was so funny. And he's

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Speaker 1: married to Melanie Lensky, who is beautiful, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she seems awesome too. They seem like an

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Speaker 2: amazing couple.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you just have to own it. I

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Speaker 2: think NEPO babies they ain't going away, you know. And

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Speaker 2: I think once they own it is the thing. If

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Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, it was easier for me, and then

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Speaker 2: it goes I feel like the topic goes away and

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Speaker 2: people don't care. But who is a favorite NEPO baby

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Speaker 2: of mine? You know, she's like the ultimate NEPO baby.

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Speaker 2: But I just enjoy her Maya Hawk. I find her

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Speaker 2: kind of charming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's cute.

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Speaker 2: I was like when she's in stuff and I think

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Speaker 2: she's cute.

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Speaker 1: Hey, she going back to our earlier conversation, she played

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Speaker 1: Flannaire O'Connor, so she did. Yeah, she was in a movie.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that with her dad.

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Speaker 1: It was about Flannerio O'Connor. So there we go.

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Speaker 2: I uh, but yeah, I don't really have anything else.

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Speaker 2: My dad hates NEPO babies and has been on this

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Speaker 2: beat much longer than the recent outrage that has come.

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Speaker 2: My dad has always always whenever an actor was in something,

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Speaker 2: he's like, you know, their dad was like the head

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Speaker 2: of the studio, did you know their their mom is

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01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: so and so he would he was really outraged by Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I think it depends on on the

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01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: obnoxiousness of the person. Yes, you know, And also I

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Speaker 1: got to admit I think it also is the obnoxiousness

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Speaker 1: of the parent. Like if the parent, I'll just say that,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say a family, the land, this family, That's

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Speaker 1: all I'll say. But but then there's NEPO babies that

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Speaker 1: you forget, our actual neo babies, Like, besides Jason Ritter,

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Speaker 1: I feel like one of my other favorite NEPO babies

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Speaker 1: is Amanda Plumber. Did you realize that her dad was

1141
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: Christopher Plumber?

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Speaker 2: I did not even know, and she did.

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01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, who would have thought? I was like, oh, yeah,

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01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: she's like one of the most interesting, weirdest actresses ever

1145
01:06:56,040 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: makes the weirdest, most amazing shit and her dad also

1146
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: did cool shit and was it acting? So I mean,

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01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: you know, like.

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01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 2: The Internet has really made it more difficult for these

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01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 2: nipple babies to kind of hide. All right, well, thank you, Jackie.

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Speaker 2: Great question. Really appreciate that. Okay, here's the next one.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna read this to you. A million short films, Hi,

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Speaker 2: a million Casey. Lately, I've been enjoying the lower commitment

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Speaker 2: of watching a fifteen to thirty minute short film on canopy.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any recommendations of short films or places

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Speaker 2: to see more of them outside of film festivals?

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Speaker 1: Thanks?

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Speaker 2: Ryan. The short film is great. It is a great

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Speaker 2: and underappreciated genre of film medium, and it is unique

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Speaker 2: to itself. It is different from a feature film. It's

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Speaker 2: not just you know, so I love short films.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I like them too. Most film festivals

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Speaker 1: have a short session, so that's to me. One of

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Speaker 1: the best places to see short is that film festivals.

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Speaker 3: M H.

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Speaker 1: I also thank YouTube and Vimeo. Vimeo is another great

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Speaker 1: place to see shorts, even though Vimeo is kind of strange.

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01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know what happened with that app.

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Speaker 1: I feel like they're they're soft quitting or something. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what.

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Speaker 2: It does feel like that it feels like they're going away. Yeah,

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01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 2: but I wanted to say, there's a bunch of great

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Speaker 2: short films. Speaking of the movie Friendship, directed by that

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Speaker 2: director Andrew DeYoung that he made with Kate Berlant and

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Speaker 2: John Early. Yeah, and in particular, they made a movie

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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, a short film called Rachel, which is

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Speaker 2: based on a true story that happened to John Early

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01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 2: and Kate Berlant, where there is a party and a

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01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 2: woman shows up who everyone assumes was invited or his

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01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 2: friends with somebody, and slowly they realize no one knows

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Speaker 2: this woman.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

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01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 2: It's really great and it's kind of tense and kind

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01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 2: of scary and weird and very relatable. And so you

1184
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 2: can just google that. Rachel is the name of it.

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01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: That's one of my favorites.

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Speaker 1: There's actually a short film festival here in Atlanta. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it I think is happening in the summer. I

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01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 1: think it's in June. But it's basically, like, yeah, an

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Speaker 1: entire film festival. It's called Atlanta Shorts Fest, So I

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Speaker 1: mean there, but I will say, well, literally every time

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01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,759
Speaker 1: I've ever seen great shorts, it's been at a film festival.

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01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 1: So you know, and a lot of times they'll be online,

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01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: so like you can, you know, either buy a ticket

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01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: for an entire shorts festival run or whatever. But it's cool.

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Speaker 1: It's a great place to see stuff. And like I said, oh,

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. It's on Criterion Channel. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, I would say it's that's probably the best

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Speaker 1: place to stream shorts beyond like I said, YouTube and

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Speaker 1: Vimeo and that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: So absolutely lots of great stuff on there. Yeah, short films.

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Speaker 2: I just watched Asparagus, the short anim film by Susan Pitt.

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01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 2: I believe that's still on the Criterion Channel. But that's

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01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 2: another really good short film. Yeah, uh okay, next questions, Brian,

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Speaker 2: last one, Thanks Brian. Thanks Brian. Hi Millian Casey. I've

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01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 2: been loving the podcast. I had a quick question about

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01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 2: letterbox tracking. Do you only log movies as you watch

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01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 2: them or have you gone back and list movies that

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01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 2: you know you've seen in the past as quote unquote watched.

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01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 2: I know this is a bit of a silly question,

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01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 2: but I was just curious as to what your letterboxed

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01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 2: methods are. Thanks Caro. I love this type of question too.

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01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: It's like the rules of letterboxed for people are fascinating.

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01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 2: Do you have a rule or way you do thinks?

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01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I log them as I watch them, and

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01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: I think it's because, quite frankly, I've seen a lot

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01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: of movies and there's no fucking way in hell I'm

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01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: gonna go back and like log them all.

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01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 2: Like I'm just like Millie's seen a movie or two. People.

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01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I've seen a lot. I will do

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01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: the thing though, if I've watched a movie again and

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01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 1: I did not log it obviously, then I'll say that

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01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:12,799
Speaker 1: I've watched it already.

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01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll smash that I've watched repeat watched. Yes, But I.

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01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: Don't like go back into my film diaries from you know,

1225
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: middle school and ad movies. I just feel like I've

1226
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: played that game before where I've used a website to

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01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: be very meticulous about cataloging things, and then that website

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01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 1: goes away in like a couple of years, right, Like

1229
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: I used to get really obsessive at O City about Flicker.

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01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: Do you remember Flicker? So I used to put all

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01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 1: my photos on Flicker. I used to tag everything, put

1232
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 1: all the metadata properly, make sure everything is in the

1233
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: label and the way that this show was gone. I mean,

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01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: it's like, I haven't Flicker is probably no longer a

1235
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: company period. But it's so I was like, you know what,

1236
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 1: but none of this stuff lasts.

1237
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 2: So I'm not.

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01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: Gonna like get too crazy about it. But if I'm

1239
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 1: thinking about it, I'll do it.

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01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 2: What about you, I yeah, I would never. Like you said,

1241
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 2: there's too much of life where I've seen the movies

1242
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 2: and it's like, what am I supposed to do is

1243
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 2: spend a half an hour every day sitting in silence

1244
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 2: trying to think of all the movies I've seen in

1245
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,320
Speaker 2: my life, and you know, log down. That seems unpleasant

1246
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 2: to me, So I just log the movie when I

1247
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 2: watch the movie. Also, I always do a little review.

1248
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 2: I always do a little I always I use usually

1249
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 2: just one sentence because it helps me remember the movie

1250
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 2: and I feel like I'm participating in the app as

1251
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 2: it's properly created in that way.

1252
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 1: I lah, I'm super inconsistent about that. I think the

1253
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 1: only time I review sething is when I'm absolutely stirred.

1254
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 2: Stirred.

1255
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I can't do it for everything. I don't

1256
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: even rate everything. Like sometimes I'm like, yeah, I don't

1257
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: want to write that because a lot of times it's like,

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01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: I don't even want to get into it, guys, I

1259
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 1: don't even want to get into it. I was like, Oh,

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01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: I saw fucking whatever, like solo, What do we want

1261
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: me to do? Log it in view it?

1262
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 2: Come on, I saw Barbie and I have opinions about it.

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01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 2: You just know that people are going to comment. That's

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01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 2: the problem. Yeah.

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01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: I didn't rate review Sinners. I did not rate review

1266
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: Under the Cherry Moon, so but I did review Friendship

1267
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: and I rated Heat, so I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I forgot to put Heat. I forgot to put that.

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01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 2: I watched Heat again. Come on, well, we got to

1270
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 2: get back on there. Well. Thank you to everybody who

1271
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 2: has written in for film advice. I hope your lives

1272
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 2: are better because of the advice we've given you, and

1273
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 2: I hope you're leading healthier, more positive existences because of

1274
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 2: the gifts we've given you. If you want us to

1275
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 2: answer your questions in the future, please write in it

1276
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 2: Dear Movies at a technicallyrightmedia dot com. We love it. Well, Millie,

1277
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 2: We're at the end of our show. Okay, the name

1278
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: of our show is dear Movies. I love you and

1279
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 2: we're at the end of it. Yeah, and we need

1280
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 2: employees picks for people.

1281
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ, do.

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01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 2: You have a employees pick for the people?

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Speaker 1: Oh? My god, I named so many that I love.

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Speaker 1: I know, Oh Jesus Christ. Okay, So I mean I've

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Speaker 1: pretty much laid out my absolute faves. I laid out

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Speaker 1: Cana Houghton, Roof Suddenly last summer long hot summer, Prince

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Speaker 1: of Tides. I'm gonna say this is a Southern Gothic

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Speaker 1: tale and it's a movie from nineteen fifty five, and

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Speaker 1: it's called The Knight of the Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Fabulous. I would consider that feels like a Southern Gothic movie.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, simply from the inclusion of a Southern

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Speaker 1: preacher type and children in peril, I feel like, and

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Speaker 1: just the horror elements and the fantastical, you know, like

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Speaker 1: the sort of scenes of the underwater scenes and stuff.

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Speaker 1: And it's in black and white, and again it's like

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Speaker 1: about religion and yeah, and thievery and and and crimes.

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Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, you absolutely must see it.

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Speaker 1: It's like not an option.

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Speaker 2: It's such an interesting movie. It feels so expertly crafted.

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Speaker 2: But that is the director Charles Lawton's only movie.

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Speaker 1: Charles Locker was The Hunchback, among other things. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: played doctor Moreau I feel like at some point or

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Speaker 1: doctor Moreau type of character. He's wonderful and was married

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Speaker 1: to had a relationship with Elsa Lancaster who was the

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Speaker 1: Brider Frankenstein, and maybe they were like they maybe had

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Speaker 1: a little bisexuality in them too, Like it.

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Speaker 2: Feels like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're kind of like a real modern couple

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Speaker 1: for the time.

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Speaker 2: Very cool. Uh, my recommendation my employees picks is a

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine film called Wise Blood directed by John Houston,

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Speaker 2: based on the Flannery O'Connor book Wise Blood. This is

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Speaker 2: a strange movie and book, but it deals it's a

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Speaker 2: Southern Gothic tale, you know, it deals with kind of

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Speaker 2: corrupt preachers and there's there's not there. It feels like

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Speaker 2: there's sort of a fantastical element to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it's kind of Brad Dort character

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Speaker 1: feels a little like Mitcham and not of the Hunter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's like that weird, overblown Southern preacher guy vibe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but I don't know, this movie feels like

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Speaker 2: no other movie I've ever seen, and wise Blood, I

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Speaker 2: don't really want to talk. Just go see it. It's

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Speaker 2: really good.

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Speaker 1: I have to say, the name Asa, which is the

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Speaker 1: name of Harry Dean Stan's character in wise Blood, is

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Speaker 1: a very Southern name.

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Speaker 2: To me, Asa, I'm interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of Asa Candler, who was basically like the

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Speaker 1: businessman that created coke O. The Candler.

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Speaker 2: ASA's Bagels is our local bagel shop. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 2: my favorite.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Asa is to me, it feels like a

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Speaker 1: very Southern name.

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Speaker 2: Very good. All right, Mellie, that's the end of our show.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe it? Wow?

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Speaker 1: had a film gripe in a while.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, please, you want to talk about next week?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. I feel like this is a topic

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Speaker 2: in a movie that you hate and are not excited about, but.

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Speaker 1: I've never ever seen it. I know, I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: your movie. What the fuck?

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Speaker 2: We're talking about nineties camp movies and the movie Heavyweights

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Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety five, and I'm really excited. I think

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Speaker 2: nineties camp movies is like a specific genre and kind

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Speaker 2: of a feel, and maybe we'll get even and get

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Speaker 2: into salute your shorts and you know, camp culture bugjuice.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's just a lot. I feel like Camp

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Speaker 2: was really in in the nineties and Heavyweights is one

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Speaker 2: of my faves from that time, so I can't wait

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Speaker 2: to well, I can't wait for you to watch it. Man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I feel like this is obviously like

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Speaker 1: a peek into your brain once again, which I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to do. I've never seen Heavyweights. By the time Heavyweights

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Speaker 1: came out, I was fully smoking cigarettes and do an acid,

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Speaker 1: so I was like, of course, kind of past the

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Speaker 1: Camp era, but I can't wait to go back. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to see this. I mean, Ben Stiller looks insane.

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Speaker 2: It was written by Judd Apatow, and it is a

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Speaker 2: movie that there's no way in hell they would I

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Speaker 2: hate when people say this, but there is no way

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Speaker 2: they would make this today for children. It's a Disney movie. Wow.

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Speaker 2: And uh yeah, I'm curious to This is kind of

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Speaker 2: a nostalgia bomb, if I'm being honest. Okay, but I'm

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Speaker 2: excited to talk about it to get into it. That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Thanks again. I'm glad we got to do

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Speaker 1: this Southern episode.

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Speaker 2: Me too. It was invigorating for me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for listening and we'll see y'all later.

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Speaker 2: Bye Sister Woman, Bye Beefer O'Brien.

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