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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and it is time here to start of hour number

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Speaker 2: two for the Fantasy Football Focus. And it being Thursday,

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Speaker 2: met let's take a look at the injury report from

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Speaker 2: today around the league. Evan Ingram for the Jaguars with

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Speaker 2: that hamstring still not practicing on Thursday. That does not

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Speaker 2: look promising for him.

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Speaker 3: That's a bigger deal in the real world than people

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Speaker 3: give him credit for. He was the most targeted tight

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Speaker 3: end in the league last year. He's been a safety

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Speaker 3: valve for a team that could use some of these throwers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah they're drowning quick. Yeah, that's troublesome.

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Speaker 2: Tank Bigsby with the shoulder injury limited again on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: at least is limited.

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Speaker 3: He's looked good and he's played well, but they could

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Speaker 3: use him too. Eight ten should not be in every

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Speaker 2: Dalton Schultz with the ankle injury, upgraded to a full

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Speaker 2: participant on Thursday for the Houston Texans.

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Speaker 3: That's he's a quality player.

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Speaker 2: Of course, that is meaningful because you're not gonna like this.

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Speaker 2: Nico Collins with a hamstring was added to the injury

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Speaker 3: And I know Dell's still dealing with some stuff too,

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Speaker 3: So that's certainly one to monitor. Nico is the one

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Speaker 2: If Nico can't play in Dell is his sideline, which

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Speaker 2: he still is. He's not practicing today either, all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden, Dalton Schultz is kind of a sneaky tight

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure Diggs is ready to be you know,

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Speaker 3: high high volume guy for several weeks in a row.

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Speaker 3: One game fine, but not you know, fifteen targets for

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Speaker 2: We do our DFS line up tomorrow, we might want

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Speaker 2: to remember mister Schultz SLTZ.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, makes sense. Who they playing again?

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Speaker 2: They're playing Jacksonville.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I knew it was a good matchup.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Skyler Thompson with the rib injury was limited on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: They don't play till Monday. Did they prefer him over Huntley?

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Speaker 3: And they seem to. They seem to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's been in the system long.

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Speaker 3: I get it. But he doesn't fit the system at

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Speaker 2: Tron Armstead with the concussion miss practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: He's not gonna play them.

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Speaker 2: Well again, they play Monday, yesterday there, Okay, that's a

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Speaker 2: Raheem Mostert was limited in practice on Thursday for them

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Speaker 2: as well, with that chest injury.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's real promising from what I understood.

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Simmons with an elbow injury, was sidelined in practice

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Speaker 2: on Thursday for the Tennessee Titans. That is significant they play.

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Speaker 2: They played Miami this week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in one of the leagues I stream defense every week.

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Speaker 3: I picked them up because they're playing Miami. He is there,

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Speaker 2: He's their best player in a defen He starts to

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Speaker 2: run well, he plays a run well, and he can

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Speaker 2: And if he's not out there, that's only.

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Speaker 3: A few things they've done well. Yeah year right, they're

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Speaker 3: a little toothless. They are actually sweats played. Okay next

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Speaker 3: to him, Yeah, let's see how he holds up.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Jamar Chase with that shoulder injury, had

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Speaker 2: Bijon Robinson with a shoulder injury, was a limited participate

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Speaker 2: definitely worries. I mean, that's a beauty of having an Algier. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Let's say he's fine and you can still beat the

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Speaker 2: But it may be a situation where instead of giving

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I asked you yesterday, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, So Alvin Kamara has the hip

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Speaker 3: I wonder if Hill's shortyard his goal line guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually have Hill in one league and I've Goddard,

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Speaker 2: Yes, we mentioned na Harris practiced in full today. That's

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Speaker 3: He was seeing a sling.

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Speaker 2: just wonder if he needs like a full week. He

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Speaker 3: No, that's up maybe next week.

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Speaker 2: David and Joku return to practice on Thursday with that

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Speaker 2: You trust Watson to throw him the ball?

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Speaker 2: You trust the Browns offensive line to protect them to

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Speaker 2: Lane Johnson, with a concussion, was back practice on Thursday

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Speaker 2: And aj Brown still has that hamstring and he's as

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Speaker 3: Well, I think Josh Satson has one target this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: That's fine, but I think he's losing touches to Foreman.

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Speaker 3: To be starting defensive tackle and starting defensive tackle miss spot.

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Speaker 2: Here's a hamstring. He missed practice on Thursday. So did

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Speaker 3: He's far and away their most important guy of defense.

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Speaker 3: But to be frank, I mean, if Hill and Rankins

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Speaker 3: drafted Chris Jenkins. He must not be ready, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sam Laporta with the ankle injury miss practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't think that one was trending the right direction.

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Speaker 3: What do you do if you're an owner.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he can unless you'll have some kind

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Speaker 3: So I mean you wait to make your decision or

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Speaker 3: pick someone up Saturday. But I'm not hanging by the

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Speaker 2: He's not done much to begin with.

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Speaker 3: No, he hasn't. He's been really disappointing. Him and Kelsey

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Speaker 3: both were being as high picks as they were. Uh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love with the knee injury, practiced in pads on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: Joe Mixon once again with that ankle injury, missed practice

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Speaker 3: I don't trust either, but steals in a better situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it might brake some ties for fantasy if you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, vedas Vita Vea did practice today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Tristan Wurs was limited for them, as was Chris Goblin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're super serious, right Hunter Henry was

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Speaker 3: Trouble without Herber too.

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Speaker 2: And you know, absolutely, Matt looking at tonight's game that

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Speaker 3: And I've never been a huge Singletary fan, but I'd

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think he's would be a solid a

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Speaker 3: Can't right now, short week, short week, going to New York.

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Speaker 3: I think New York might even win this game.

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Speaker 2: They might you know, they're a big fit dog at home.

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Speaker 3: And I think you know with a what's the old

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Speaker 2: Well, we like that too, running dog at home. Call

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Speaker 3: I would run Daniel Jones a lot. I'd run Singletary

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right now. I mean that entire Giants offense is

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Speaker 3: Neighbors.

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Speaker 2: Really, he's it.

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Speaker 3: Wendell Robinson gets the short targets here and there. They

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Speaker 3: don't have any kind of tight end presence. They don't

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Speaker 3: have a third receiver that's standing out. They're getting them

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Speaker 2: Looking at the captain's chair, Ceedee Lamb is seventeen to seven,

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Speaker 3: That's not terrible. I mean against that really bad run defense.

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Speaker 2: Jake Ferguson is ten to five.

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Speaker 3: I like singletary.

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Speaker 2: He gets targeted a lot. Brandon Cooks is ten two,

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Speaker 2: Rico Daldell nine to six, Ezekiel Elliott nine to three.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Tolbert is eight seven. The Cowboys defense is eighty

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Speaker 2: one hundred, Brandon Aubrey seventy five hundred one, Dell Robinson

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's get targeted.

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Speaker 2: He might have It might be he might have eight

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Speaker 2: But that allows you at seven to two in the

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: He's cheaper than the Cowboys kicker.

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Speaker 3: get the ball. He's going to get the He gets

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you do that, then Lamb is eleven eight,

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Speaker 2: Neighbors is ten eight, Prescott is ten four, Daniel Jones

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Speaker 2: look at it here. We're not going to play it

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Speaker 2: because yeah, just never do well in these games. I

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Speaker 2: see if that gets us all five of those. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't get us all five, that would be let me

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Speaker 2: see you, So let's get so we went ceedee Lamb

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Speaker 3: They're gonna get a million targets.

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Speaker 2: We could still get Singletary.

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Speaker 3: I would definitely want Singletary though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then maybe looking at you wouldn't have either quarterback.

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Speaker 2: You could you could get one of the two quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Which one would you prefer?

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Speaker 2: But Jones is cheaper, That's why I prefer da Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Well even if you want Daniel Jones, it still leads

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Speaker 3: Nobody of note all right, Yeah, so you're better off

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Speaker 3: going because you got twelve thousand left over, So that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd love to avoid their backfield, but if it

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Speaker 2: And how about the Cowboys defense.

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Speaker 3: That a kicker, well you go Aubrey. Yeah, Aubrey is

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Speaker 2: That's a five thousand. That leads you an extra eight

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Speaker 3: That's not bad.

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Speaker 2: I'd Ferguson, all right, and that spends everything. So that

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Speaker 3: You're gonna lock it in, you know it. You're all

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Speaker 3: Maybe that's exactly what you're supposed to play because usually

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Speaker 2: Captain share games, it's like you have money left over.

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Speaker 2: I can't figure end up with some sho there was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I'll lock it?

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Speaker 2: Why not? I'm actually I told I said this earlier.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to watch this game live tonight.

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Speaker 3: Oh I am, just.

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Speaker 2: Because I'm going to have to go through this tape

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Speaker 3: The Cowboys Giants twice. Is that you're your point? Kind

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Speaker 2: Watching the All twenty two is something. Oh yeah different.

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Speaker 2: I'll do that with a Steeler game just because that's

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Speaker 3: I love it they're playing well. I don't love that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so your cheat sheet next week will be five

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Speaker 3: I always start them on Friday, by the way, I

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Speaker 2: I'll have a big breakdown next week that'll drop on

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Speaker 3: That's a great one. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I've gone back and researched some very early games.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was taught as someone born in nineteen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the way it was.

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Speaker 3: That's the way it was.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, that's pretty good, Yeah they were. That's going to

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Speaker 1: At least he's the drive with Dale, Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and I met our good friend there, Bill

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Speaker 2: Barmwell out with another piece today and he has been

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Speaker 2: Debbie Downer on the Steelers for pretty much as long

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Speaker 3: He tends to even joke about it now, No, that's

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Speaker 2: He does now, just because they he's an analytics.

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Speaker 3: Guy, they buck those trends. They defy the analytics more

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Speaker 2: Now he's like, I'm gonna write this and this is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, uh, as he points out here, and

444
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Speaker 2: he's he ranks the three and oh teams, that's what

445
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Speaker 2: you're doing in terms of their staying reading. Yeah, as

446
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,960
Speaker 2: he mentions here, NFL teams that start the season three

447
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,159
Speaker 2: and oh have one foot in the postseason door. Since

448
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 2: he even broke this down a little bit more so

449
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,880
Speaker 2: than what the NFL has done. He goes from two

450
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 2: thousand and two, Okay, since two thousand and two, wonder why.

451
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Speaker 3: You picked that one. That's I don't know, I don't

452
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 3: say it wasn't the seventeen game schedule.

453
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Speaker 2: Then yeah, yeah, But since two thousand and two, eighty

454
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,200
Speaker 2: two of the one hundred and eleven teams that began

455
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Speaker 2: with three straight victories to start the season have advanced

456
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Speaker 2: to the playoffs. Seventy four percent. Wow, Okay, I think

457
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 2: it was seventy five. Since two thousand they.

458
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Speaker 3: Said four and oh or three and oh, three and oh,

459
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Speaker 3: I think it was even lower than that.

460
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Speaker 2: It goes, it goes to eighty four percent if you

461
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Speaker 2: get to four and oh.

462
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

463
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that should he said, as he mentions here,

464
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 2: it should rise even higher with more seasons of a

465
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Speaker 2: fourteen team playoff bracket, which we've only had for a

466
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Speaker 2: few years.

467
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Speaker 3: Now. You're right, it was three and oh, it's seventy

468
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 3: four and is like eighty four percent? Yeah.

469
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Speaker 2: Last year just three teams started the season three and oh.

470
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 2: All three of them made the playoffs. Did the forty

471
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Speaker 2: nine Ers, Dolphins, Eagles. Now, if the season had gone

472
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Speaker 2: like another two weeks, the Eagles wentn't have made it, but.

473
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Speaker 3: No, they were falling apart. But so bit.

474
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Speaker 2: The last time a team started either uh, the last

475
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Speaker 2: time a team started three and oh and missed the

476
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Speaker 2: playoffs was twenty twenty one when both the Broncos and

477
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 2: Panthers did it. They went to combine six and twenty

478
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Speaker 2: two after starting three and oh.

479
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Speaker 3: I wonder if there was big injuries to Cam Newton

480
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 3: or somebody or you know, something that crumbled it.

481
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyways, so he says, let's take a look

482
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Speaker 2: here at the three and oh teams and they're only

483
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Speaker 2: five of them, so it's not like there's a huge no,

484
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Speaker 2: right right, And.

485
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Speaker 3: That's only a three to zero you know, win or

486
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,919
Speaker 3: win list teams. Yeah. Right.

487
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Speaker 2: That's the weird thing about today's NFL, there's so much parody,

488
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 2: is that the Raiders can go into Baltimore and win

489
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 2: and then go get smoked by Carolina the next week.

490
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Speaker 3: Next week.

491
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this is just where it's at. And

492
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 2: to me, that's why that's where I think coaching comes

493
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 2: into play. That you don't have as many peaks and

494
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 2: valleys or highs and lows.

495
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there will be some, I mean, of course,

496
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 3: but it's it's a parody driven league. Yeah, and it's

497
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 3: so many eyes on one game. I was talking about

498
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 3: this all the time too, Like the Yankees or Pirates

499
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 3: or whatever lost ten nothing one day, nobody cares about it.

500
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: A week later, you know, right right, it's forgotten about it.

501
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 2: So the first team here is the Kansas City Chiefs.

502
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: Their wins have come against Baltimore, Cincinnati and Atlanta. Three

503
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: quality wins. Yeah they are. They haven't blown my doors

504
00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: off as this juggernaut though. No, you know they're not

505
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 2: playing their best football. Mahomes has already thrown four interceptions.

506
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 3: He even said the other day, I'm not playing my

507
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: best football. Yeah, and it's obvious he is not.

508
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 2: And as you pointed out in your stats package, which

509
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 2: will drop tomorrow, he's got the lowest A dot in

510
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: the league right now. Again, he had it last year

511
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: and he's got it again this year. This was this year.

512
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: But when they go out and they get Xavier Worthy,

513
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 2: they signed Hollywood Brown. Hollywood Brown hasn't played a downtown

514
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 2: this year.

515
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Speaker 3: But their intentions were to push the ball down the

516
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Speaker 3: field more and it's just not happening.

517
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Speaker 2: No, they're not using worthy in that way. A lot

518
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,880
Speaker 2: of the stuff, even early that you've seen with him

519
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: has been behind the line of scrimmage stuff and things

520
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: of that nature.

521
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, And I reference it though, I mean that's

522
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 3: been one of the trends. Though of the really good

523
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 3: offenses is low a dot.

524
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Speaker 2: Some of it, though, too, is the I don't want

525
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 2: to say he's falling off a cliff, but how many

526
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: times in the past did you see Mahomes kind of

527
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: move around in the pocket by some time and there's

528
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: a twenty yard pass down the field to Kelsey who

529
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: somehow is all standing all by himself.

530
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen none of that this year. I don't

531
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 3: think that he's getting open at the same rate. I

532
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 3: don't think he's creating in the same way. And I

533
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 3: forget who did the breakdown I watched, but direct routes

534
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 3: that used to be Kelsey's are now rices. Yeah, you know,

535
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 3: he's getting old. Yeah, he's thirty five, some other interests

536
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 3: from thirty six next week. I'd be shocked if he's

537
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 3: back next year.

538
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So they're they're they're not playing their

539
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: best football now. The thing about them that people don't

540
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: think about, they're more of a defensive team now than

541
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: they will, absolutely are than they are an offensive team.

542
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: I think that kind of shifted with the Tyreek trade. Yeah,

543
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 3: you know, they developed a lot of those picks. They

544
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 3: went to the defensive players, the McDuffie's of the world,

545
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 3: all those linebackers that are good players. They used a

546
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 3: lot of those extra picks on defense.

547
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 2: Although they're not as deep as linebacker as they were.

548
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 3: No, they had a million of them before.

549
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 2: And you lose a lugitious sneed now like they're.

550
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 3: You had to pick between Jones and Steed.

551
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not. And Jones is now thirty yep, and

552
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 2: he's not a full time player.

553
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 3: No, I mean they're they're not a juggernaut. I mean

554
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 3: they could, they could threepeat. I do think they're in

555
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: the middle of a dynasty. But they have warts. Yeah,

556
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 3: they're not. You've talked to the tackles a lot.

557
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: They're not the unbeatable, No, you know franchise that they

558
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 2: and even Barbell makes noted that. Look, look, this team

559
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: is you know a couple of inches from losing or

560
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 2: potentially losing to the Ravens. They needed a fifty one

561
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: yard field goal to beat the Bengals in the last

562
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 2: second at home in Week two, and then even last week,

563
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: they hadn't needed a pair of red zone stops in

564
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter against the Falcons.

565
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was they were hanging on life there too, And.

566
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 2: That was a situation to me where the Falcons lost

567
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: that game as much as the Chiefs won it. Again,

568
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: you take the points in that situation.

569
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 3: You know.

570
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 2: Raheem Morris is a guy. It's funny. I'm watching the

571
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Speaker 2: game last week at halftime and they had him on

572
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: for an interview and he comes out and he says,

573
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: you know, hey, you know our guys aren't going to blink.

574
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: We're gonna run to it, not not away from it.

575
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 2: And I'm like, those are he stole those right from

576
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin. And I mentioned something about that to Mike

577
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Speaker 2: after his press conference on Tuesday. Goes man, Raheem should

578
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: send me part of his check every week, because you

579
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: know he he coached under tom and they're good friends, right,

580
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: And he said that that you know, there were times

581
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: when when they were in Tampa together because he was

582
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 2: the assistant Rahee Morris was the assistant defensive backs coach.

583
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 2: Tomlin was the defensive backs coach. When Morris would be

584
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 2: running the meeting and Tomlin wouldn't be in the room

585
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: and he would listen in and Morris would be in

586
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: there impersonating Mike Tomlin. Yeah, yeah, so, but he didn't

587
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: learn he didn't learn that part of the game from Tomlin.

588
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 2: How did not lose the game in those situations.

589
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: So back to the Chiefs. I hesitate to do this

590
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 3: because there is an art to winning close games and

591
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 3: the Chiefs are great at Steelers are great at at

592
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 3: their great head coaches. They have a ton of wins,

593
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 3: but they're not far from B and oh and three.

594
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: You know, like we know how this league goes. And

595
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 3: again I don't do that often, but if they row

596
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: in three, it would be like the sky has falling.

597
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: The Chiefs are terrible. And meanwhile, their DVOA would be

598
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: the same, their EPA would be the same, you know.

599
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: The Obviously, the Chiefs have beating Baltimore and Cincinnati, two

600
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 2: quality wins. At least that's what we thought heading into

601
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: the season. I think they'll still end up being there. Yeah,

602
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: I think the Falcons win will be a quality win

603
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 2: as well.

604
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: There's no cream puffs, we know that. Yeah.

605
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: But the Steelers' victories this season, excuse me, have been

606
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: more dominant than Kansas City's.

607
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, they have been. There's no question about that.

608
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: They've controlled the Yeah, they've controlled those games more so

609
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 3: than the Chiefs did in those in those games, and

610
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: two of those games, the games against Baltimore and Cincinnati

611
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 3: were in arrowhead. Yeah, all there's what down was the

612
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: last wire down to the wire.

613
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: So and I get it, As I said, you know,

614
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: when you're a two time defending champion, you're getting everybody's best,

615
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: no question. So you know there's some of that too.

616
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 3: And I'm not worried that Mahomes all of a sudden

617
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: got bad.

618
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: No, I'm not either. But again to our point that

619
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: they're not they're beatable.

620
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: Yeah right. The Bills, like, whatever their payoff is to

621
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: win the Super Bowl, I probably wouldn't put money on

622
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 3: because it's not gonna pay off that great.

623
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: And yeah, you know somebody else could beat them, Yeah yeah,

624
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: and it could be the Bill.

625
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: The Bills are really in a good spot.

626
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: Their three wins have been you know, the Arizona game

627
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: was Yeah, but that was week one. Week one, crazy

628
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: stuff happens. They crushed the jack they crushed the Jags,

629
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: and they blew Miami out of the building and that

630
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 2: was before the two injury.

631
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't blame that at all. No, Allan's the

632
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: MVP right now. I mean, I think it's by a mile.

633
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: And the defense is that's a surprise to me, is

634
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: the defense I thought would Ben would suffer. And they're

635
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: missing some guys. Oh, they're missing some guys and it

636
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: hasn't hurt them, you know. Yeah, they're in a good spot.

637
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: Defensive line is playing well. Allan is distributing the football well.

638
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 3: And the mistakes of drastically this year for him.

639
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: People are talking about justin Fields being playing mistake free football.

640
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: I think it's a even bigger or as big as

641
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: surprise that Josh Allen is playing that way.

642
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean he always makes up for it

643
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: or close to it. I mean, but he is valuing

644
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: the football. It's the best he's looked, which is really

645
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,719
Speaker 3: saying something absolutely. Then you get to the Steelers. So

646
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: he has the Steelers as his third team on here

647
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: in he's ranking them.

648
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously the wins at Atlanta, at Denver, and then

649
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 2: the Chargers at home. And here's what he is as

650
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: someone who predicted the Steelers would decline for the third

651
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 2: consecutive season. Let's just say things aren't going well. Mike

652
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: Tomlin's team is off to a great start, leading this

653
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: league in scoring defense. It's already two games up on

654
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: the rest of the AFC North. I feel the same

655
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: way about my prediction that Doug Peterson feels about the Jaguars.

656
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: Everything is on the table. We're just not very good

657
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: right now.

658
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: Again, he's making fun of himself because they buck his

659
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: type of trends.

660
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Speaker 2: Yeah, is what the Steelers are doing sustainable? Of course not.

661
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Speaker 2: But when has that ever mattered? On one level? They

662
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: had benefited from playing a slate of limited quarterbacks. E

663
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins wasn't fully healthy in the season opener and

664
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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert was dealing with a high ankle sprain even

665
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Speaker 2: before he was forced to leave Sunday's game. Those two

666
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: veteran good players. Yeah, those two veterans. Sandwich bo Nicks,

667
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Speaker 2: a rookie who's still feeling his way into running an

668
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Speaker 2: NFL offense. If you argue that all three of those

669
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Speaker 2: quarterbacks have looked better against other opponents than they have

670
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Speaker 2: against the Steelers. Though you would be right that I was.

671
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Speaker 3: About say yeah the following week, though, Knicks goes down

672
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Speaker 3: and tears tap. But right, right, you know an Atlanta's

673
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Speaker 3: oh line looks like a good old line except when

674
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Speaker 3: they play Steelers, right. And I know there's some visuals

675
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Speaker 3: out there of Cousins kind of favoring his legs and things,

676
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Speaker 3: but I don't know that he miraculously healed in seven days.

677
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Speaker 2: Oh, you know, right, Tomlin's defense is thriving by winning

678
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: in places every defense wants to win. Third down in

679
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 2: red zone, the Steelers are allowed their opponents to convert

680
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: on just twenty one point nine percent of the red

681
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: zones or third downs, the best rate for any team. Likewise,

682
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: they have allowed just one touchdown and six red zone

683
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: trips in a league in which offenses are converting fifty

684
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Speaker 2: two percent of their red zone trips into touchdowns. The

685
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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh defense has held opponents to a seventeen percent success

686
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: rate on four rays in side to twenty. Now, somebody asked.

687
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Speaker 3: Me today on YouTube, which again last questions on YouTube,

688
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Speaker 3: I'll look stuff up. If I don't know the answer

689
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: will find out to compare the two thousand and eight

690
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: Steelers defense with this one in terms of they wanted

691
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 3: the time of possession stuff, because the time of possession.

692
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Speaker 2: The Steelers are killing it in time of possession right now.

693
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Speaker 3: They're second the league. Right.

694
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Speaker 2: But I looked at those two stats, in particular.

695
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Speaker 3: Red zone and third down. Coach Ice talks about money

696
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Speaker 3: downs third downs.

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Speaker 2: That two thousand and eight defense finished it. I think

698
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: it was thirty two percent, which is pretty good. You

699
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: take that and the red zone defense thirty three percent

700
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Speaker 2: they allowed that year.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

702
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Speaker 2: Okay, so right now this team is playing better than that.

703
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: Is that sustainable? It's probably going to balance of them. Sure,

704
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: they'll get worse, but I think the offense is going

705
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: to get better, continue to get better as we get

706
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Speaker 2: the end of.

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Speaker 3: This as well. I think I think we all predicted this.

708
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Speaker 3: I mean, I actually thought Wilson would be the starter,

709
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: but I I we a lot of people that I've

710
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: been on the air with thought the O line is

711
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 3: going to take some time. It's not the most dynamic

712
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: group of pass catchers. That's going to take a little

713
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Speaker 3: time too. And you got a new system with a

714
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Speaker 3: new quarterback. I mean, you have a lot of new starters.

715
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Speaker 2: Last season, the best third down defense in terms of

716
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: conversion rate was the Cleveland at twenty nine point one percent.

717
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: What's the Steelers, I know, twenty one point I'm sorr

718
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: they were at twenty nine point one percent. Cleveland, the

719
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Speaker 2: Steelers at twenty one point nine.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So if you're the best you should be

721
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Speaker 3: in that neighborhood.

722
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Speaker 2: It's not going to get that. It's not going to

723
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Speaker 2: get that much worse or better or worse, I should say,

724
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Speaker 2: than twenty one point nine. I think I think that

725
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Speaker 2: is sustainable. That's maybe not quite to that level.

726
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Speaker 3: But I mean, of course you'd take it if it's

727
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 3: like they finished the season twenty.

728
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, it'd be awesome. Number one right,

729
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: last season, the best red zone defense was the Titans

730
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Speaker 2: at thirty seven point seven percent.

731
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Speaker 3: And you said the Steelers are like thirty three at.

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Speaker 2: Seventeen percent seventeen thirty two thousand and eight, they were

733
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Speaker 2: thirty three percent, So that is due.

734
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Speaker 3: They're not going to stay at seventeen No, that's yeah,

735
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Speaker 3: But again I think they got some stiffer tests coming up.

736
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I also, but I also think that the offense,

737
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Speaker 2: Like again when people talk about while they only scored

738
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Speaker 2: twenty points last week, they could add twenty seven pretty easily.

739
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Speaker 2: They would have, you know, they would have had two

740
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: or three shots from the from the one, yeah, as

741
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: the clock ran out. But there's no sense in doing that.

742
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: Like Bob Labriolo, of course, it was our guest yesterday,

743
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: I was asked on asked and answered, why didn't the

744
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Speaker 2: Steelers punch that in? All right, so let's say they

745
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: line up and punch that in, but Naujee Harris gets

746
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: hurt on it while they're doing it, or game Zach

747
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: Frazier gets hurt on that play instead of taking a

748
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: knee there you get one of your guy. One of

749
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: your guys gets hurt on a play at the goal line.

750
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Speaker 2: What did you do that for?

751
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know the game was one?

752
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was over.

753
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 3: Why bother kicking off again? Or why you know risk

754
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: any anything? Crazy? Yeah? Yeah. So I also bet I

755
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 3: know it's even in three games, but they'll score on

756
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: defense or special teams this year. Yeah, I mean, I'll

757
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: bet everything I have at least once.

758
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: Justin Fields has a three point one percent interception rate

759
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 2: over three seasons with the Bears. He's at one point

760
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: three percent with the Steelers, and even that one was

761
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 2: kind of fluky.

762
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Speaker 3: Right, it wasn't a bad throw. Now, one of my

763
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 3: favorite PFS things is turnover worthy plays.

764
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Speaker 2: He's got one. He has none, oh none, Yeah.

765
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Speaker 3: Him and Aaron Rodgers of zero because they did not

766
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Speaker 3: deem that or any other that didn't get picked turnover worthy.

767
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Speaker 2: The other thing I agree with that he is doing better.

768
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: He had a twelve point three percent sack rate in Chicago.

769
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Speaker 2: This season, he's at seven point four. Yeah, he's getting

770
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Speaker 2: the ball out, he's not holding it. You know, he's

771
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: he's he's playing winning football.

772
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking for it here. There's okay. So whereas

773
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 3: he used to okay, When you combine his sack and

774
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: interception percentage those three years he was in Chicago, he

775
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: was the worst in the league. Thirteen to two point

776
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 3: two percent of his dropbacks ended up in a sack

777
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 3: or an intersect, negative place, negative place, sack or interception.

778
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: This year, he's tied for Mahomes. It's seven point seven.

779
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: It's tenth best in the league in terms of negative plays.

780
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: Here's the tenth best in the league. This year where

781
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: historically he's been the worst.

782
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: And that, to me, Matt has been something that they

783
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 2: have done this year offensively, Like the Steelers right now

784
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: are averaging two point nine yards per rushing play on

785
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: first down, which is not good.

786
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 3: No, no, that needs to get better.

787
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: Right on second down, they're averaging four point seven yards

788
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: per rushing attempt. Really, what they've done, though, is even

789
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: though it's only two point nine yards on first down,

790
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: they've consistently gotten.

791
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: Second and sevens. Not the end of the world, yeah, right.

792
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: Right right, Even second and eight or second and nine,

793
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: you're at least in a situation where it's not second

794
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: and twelve, yes, or second and eleven, And that's where

795
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 2: they were running into issues in previous seasons.

796
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: So success rate is a very common metric now in

797
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: the NFL. And what they do is success rate is

798
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Speaker 3: if you get four yards on first down, that is

799
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: a successful play. Because second and six every offensive coordinator, yeah,

800
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: I'll live a second and six. And then on second

801
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: down if you get half of the to go, if

802
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 3: it's second and ten, you got to get at least

803
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: five yards of team a successful play, or if it's

804
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: second and one, you gotta get or second and two.

805
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: You have to get a yard So three yards on

806
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 3: first down isn't great, but it's also not It doesn't

807
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 3: kill you successful either. You know, second and seven verse

808
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: second and six doesn't change your play calls.

809
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: Second and eleven is a different world. Second eleven you're

810
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: probably throwing the ball.

811
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and second and you can still run it him

812
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: and you get stuffed at the line of scrimmage as

813
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 3: a problem. I mean, positive yardage on first down isn't perfect,

814
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 3: but it's not the end all be all either.

815
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: It Ideally, if when you get into third down, you

816
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: want it to be third and six or less.

817
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: Yes, like third down success rate is you just have

818
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: to convert it, no matter if it's third and thirteen,

819
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: third and one, whatever. Was it a successful player or not.

820
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 3: But I get the first down. That one's easy, you know, right, that.

821
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: One's easy to judge. But you know they're staying out

822
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: of those situations where they are getting in penalties aside

823
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: in the second and eleven, second and twelve. Yeah, yeah,

824
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: it's it's all stuff that's still manageable.

825
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: Still manageable, right, And I think and you're not asking

826
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 3: field to be superman.

827
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: No, you're not doing that, and I think Arthur Smith,

828
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: to me, is a coordinator who's willing to stick with

829
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: oh stuff doesn't He doesn't panic on if it's second

830
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: and eight, well we still run the ball. We get

831
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 2: four yards here, it's third.

832
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: And four, we'll be happy about in the fourth quarter.

833
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So that's I think that's a big part

834
00:37:59,640 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 2: of it.

835
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 3: And I do think his run game will get better

836
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: to your point too, Yeah, maybe the three yard runs

837
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:05,479
Speaker 3: become a four yard run.

838
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Then they have the Seahawks here. The Seahawks have

839
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: beaten Denver, New England. Miami really haven't done that great,

840
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: not a good slate of teams. And his final team

841
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: on here is Minnesota beating the Giants San Francisco and Houston.

842
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: They've got maybe the two most impressive wins.

843
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 3: Of that and they've been very impressive. I mean, we're

844
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 3: nitpicking here with perfect teams and record wise.

845
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, but anyways, that's the Bill Barmall list. We talked

846
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: a lot about the Steelers there.

847
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, just being Steeler Nation Radio. That's what we do

848
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 3: around here.

849
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break. When we return,

850
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: We're expected to be joined by Steelers outside linebacker Nick Herbig.

851
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Speaker 2: We'll do that right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

853
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

854
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: And welcome back, am Dale Lolly. He is the Matt

856
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: Williamson and our guest on the phone line calling in here.

857
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: Much appreciated is Steelers outside linebacker Nick Herbig. Nick, how

858
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: you doing today?

859
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 4: I'm awesome. Thank you guys for having me.

860
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: We appreciate you dropping by, and especially on the eve

861
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 2: of your first NFL star Does that hit you yet?

862
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 4: Not really? Man, Honestly, I uh, I just try to

863
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 4: go into every game, uh, you know, with my mind right,

864
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 4: body right, and we'll see what happens. So, you know,

865
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 4: definitely a blessing. I don't want to see what happens.

866
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: You got the the Wisconsin front starting this week with

867
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: you and Keanu and TJ out there, it's gonna be

868
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: quite a badger type of day.

869
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, what can I see? Man? Where? Everywhere?

870
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Speaker 3: TJ's obviously been a huge influence on you. I mean,

871
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 3: is that somebody you've just learned a ton from and

872
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 3: look up to quite a bit?

873
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 4: Yeah? I wouldn't say I look up to him, because

874
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: he's probably gonna to tease me about saying that. No,

875
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 4: I definitely, I definitely do. Look I definitely do look

876
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 4: up to him. Man. He taught me so much, you know,

877
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 4: especially like even Alex too, you know, TJ, Alex Denzel,

878
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 4: you know, coach coach Martin. He he's believed in me

879
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 4: since the day I stepped foot in the building. So

880
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 4: I have nothing but respect for those guys and just

881
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: what they've done for me and helped develop me as

882
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: young playing this league.

883
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: Now, you go out last week against the Chargers and

884
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 2: you pick up two sacks in a very limited amount

885
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: of playing time. There, Nick, you're setting the bar pretty

886
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: high for yourself to go out there and do that.

887
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: But I'm sure you have those same expectations of yourself.

888
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I feel like I would be doing

889
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 4: myself a disservice if I didn't have expectations high, you know,

890
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 4: because then what what are you trained for? What do

891
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 4: you work your whole life for?

892
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: You know?

893
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 4: So, But I mean, at the end of the day,

894
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 4: it's it's not about me or my individual players or

895
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 4: my goals.

896
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: I just want to win, man, Nick, guy gotta ask

897
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 3: Kyle's your brother, Nate do and his recovery coming along

898
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 3: well in good spirits all that stuff.

899
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, I honestly think he'll be back stronger

900
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,439
Speaker 4: than he ever was good. You know, like that old saying,

901
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 4: what doesn't care, he makes you stronger. So I'm excited

902
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 4: for him. You know, it's just something that he's never

903
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 4: had to really go through, so you know, it's a

904
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 4: little bump in the road, but I know he'll he'll

905
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 4: come back stronger.

906
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: He's gonna be.

907
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: He's a happy, go lucky guy and is always in

908
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: a good mood, but when you're hurt like this, I'm

909
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: sure it's there's some times now where he's maybe a

910
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: little bit grouchy, especially during football season right once we're

911
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 2: out there.

912
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how people get the happy, go

913
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 4: lucky guy because I only know him as grouchy.

914
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 2: Well, he's got to get, you know, the big brother.

915
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: He's gotta you know, play that off on you a

916
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: little bit.

917
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 3: But we were talking off the air and Dale mentioned

918
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 3: that your family moved from Hawaii to Wisconsin. While you

919
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 3: guys are there, are they in Pittsburgh too? Now?

920
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 4: I mean they visit here and there, okay, but not

921
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 4: not really like how I was in college. You know,

922
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 4: that was the back It's kind of crazy to think

923
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 4: about that whole dynamic during college, but not anymore.

924
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, COVID allowed your mom and dad to to move

925
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: to Madison to watch you play your final year there.

926
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: That had to be pretty cool to Uh you were

927
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: actually you were living in the house with them.

928
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 4: Right, yeah. Uh they was living downstairs and I was

929
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 4: living upstairs.

930
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 3: That kind of you can't get away with much when

931
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: when mom and dad are downstairs.

932
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: That kind of makes it a little tough.

933
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean in a way though, now that I

934
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: look at it, it's like I felt like it kind

935
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 4: of helped me because it just made me lock in

936
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 4: even more. You know, No, it didn't really have time

937
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,479
Speaker 4: to be going house parties, you.

938
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

939
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I've heard Madison's kind of a crazy place

940
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: for that kind of stuff, So that's that might be

941
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: a good thing when you when you look at this,

942
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: this this Steelers defense, I know, Mike tom and uses

943
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 2: the next man up. He's used that basically since day

944
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: one here. What kind of pressure does that put on

945
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: on a guy when you're stepping into the line. But

946
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 2: particularly when you're stepping into the lineup on the number

947
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: one defense in the league.

948
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Alex is a heck of a player. Man,

949
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 4: He's a heck of a guy too. I have nothing

950
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 4: but respect for that guy and then what he's done

951
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh and what he'll continued to do throughout his career.

952
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 4: But you know, I'm just super thankful and blessed that,

953
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 4: you know, I'm able to be in this position and

954
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 4: be that guy that Picky count on step in, you know,

955
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 4: and and not let that playing level drop off any bad.

956
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: Alex certainly is a heck of a player, and you

957
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: know his absence will be missed without question, but it

958
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: is a great opportunity for you, and I can't wait

959
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: to see you on a more regular basis. But most

960
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 3: excited about watching a little more the Marvin Leal too.

961
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: I mean, his transition on the outside has been really interesting.

962
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: How's that going? Yeah, Yeah, he.

963
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 4: Has all the wells, he's has the size everything, you know,

964
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 4: and he he's coming in a new position out for him. Uh,

965
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 4: and I think he's making that transition. Well, you know,

966
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: I'm excited to see him get some more snaps as well.

967
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 3: Well.

968
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully and this is no knock on you. Hopefully

969
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 2: Alex is back sooner or later than than later here,

970
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: but certainly a big opportunity for you on Sunday against

971
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: the Indianapolis Colts. Have you looked at a lot of

972
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 2: tape on uh on this quarterback, Anthony Richardson. He might

973
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: be bigger than you.

974
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a he's a good player, man, He's he's solid,

975
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 4: he's athletic. Yeah, like you said, he's big, he can

976
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 4: throw the ball, has a rocket.

977
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 3: And run it. You know.

978
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 4: I think that's just so on of the games trending

979
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 4: nowadays to all these dual threat quarterbacks.

980
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 3: So TJ and Alex rarely swap sides. I mean they

981
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: stay on left and right. But when you were the

982
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: number three guy, you have to fill in for both.

983
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: Do you have a preference or you have different strategies

984
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: coming from one side or the other.

985
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you. I mean, I think it's in

986
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 4: every position in football, oh, whether it's received for corner,

987
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,919
Speaker 4: d line, mindbacker, Like every you're gonna play the left

988
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 4: side different than you play the right side. You know,

989
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 4: your body is just built that way. You know, sometime

990
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 4: you can do different things on the left side that

991
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 4: you can do on the right side, So kind of

992
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: just figuring that out and you know, kind of finding

993
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 4: your niche and the well.

994
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: It looks like you it looks like you've found that

995
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: niche pretty well. You've gotten sacks off of both sides

996
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: that throughout the preseason as well. So yeah, you look

997
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: like there's three of you out there, So we'll let

998
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: you go here. We appreciate you calling in.

999
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 4: Uh.

1000
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: That is Nick herbig Steelers outside linebacker. He'll make his

1001
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: first career start on Sunday against the Indianapolis Colts. Really

1002
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 2: good stuff there from Nick. We appreciate him calling in

1003
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: and uh, have a good have a good game on Sunday.

1004
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: Nick, Thank you guys. So Ghosteelers.

1005
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: Matt, that's going to do it for the show today.

1006
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great Colin. I think he's set up

1007
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 3: to have a really good game. Can't wait to see

1008
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: more of him and le Al but in Heismith won't

1009
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: be out all that long. It sounds like, so what

1010
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: a strong position group that is.

1011
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. It's strong and deep and as

1012
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: we said, he might be the best number three in

1013
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 2: the league and would start for a lot of teams

1014
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: across the league. The one thing I do wonder though, Matt,

1015
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: what this does for the special teams unit, because.

1016
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 3: He's a big snap eater there.

1017
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he eats a lot of innings on special teams.

1018
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: Is pretty good at that.

1019
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna pay attention. I wonder if maybe a

1020
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 3: guy like.

1021
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: The guy I talked to yesterday's for All Edmonds gets

1022
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: a hat because of that.

1023
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 3: Because of that, yeah, to be useful. Interesting how they

1024
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: build that puzzle on game day.

1025
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, But as I mentioned, that's going to do

1026
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Speaker 2: it for our show today. So for my partner Matt Williamson,

1027
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Speaker 2: for Justin Miller here on site keeping us on the air,

1028
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 2: for Tyler vitt Meyer, keeping us alive on the video

1029
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Speaker 2: as much as they can right now, I'm Dale Lolly.

1030
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: We appreciate you listening to this edition to the Rive

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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network,