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Speaker 1: the latest stories that are going on out there in
Speaker 1: the world. I'm talking about shadow people, big foot, Angela Connors,
Speaker 1: near death experiences, anything and everything. I welcome you the listener,
Speaker 1: to send in your stories, your thoughts, rumors, legends, anything
Speaker 1: and everything. Uh, and go to my main website, which
Speaker 1: is Heidi Hollis dot com. For those of you who
Speaker 1: do not notice all my name, shadow folks dot com
Speaker 1: will also take you there and tell me your stories.
Speaker 1: Tell me all the finer details. I have had a
Speaker 1: salut like an epidemic of people who are just like
Speaker 1: I've got the best story ever. You know, just write
Speaker 1: me and I'll tell you more. Well, what do you
Speaker 1: think that? What do you think that forum is for?
Speaker 1: Not to ask me to request something from you? It
Speaker 1: is bizarre. I mean, people can hear me clearly right
Speaker 1: right and tell me your stories. Tell it right there.
Speaker 1: That's a place. That's a spot. I don't need to
Speaker 1: get hold of you to ask again, No, I hope not.
Speaker 1: Or the one liners. I get a lot of one liners.
Speaker 1: Saw something once, big bird? What do you think I
Speaker 1: actually got that one once? Um? So, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not a psychic, though some of my psychic friends
Speaker 1: would say otherwise, but uh, I need to hear it.
Speaker 1: I need to hear the details. And everybody listens to
Speaker 1: this show, they're like those are the best when people
Speaker 1: give the details are the super duper long emails. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, so um yeah, I'm a fan
Speaker 1: of your letters. So send him on in. And you
Speaker 1: know what, guys, I gotta tell you what today is about. Today,
Speaker 1: I have Jesse Marcel coming on the show. If you
Speaker 1: do not know that name, then you don't know UFOs.
Speaker 1: You don't know where it all began with the nineteen
Speaker 1: seven Roswell New Mexico UFO crash and what happened with
Speaker 1: that same name, Jesse Marcel, because that name has been
Speaker 1: passed down through generations. And we have the grandson of
Speaker 1: the Lieutenant Colonel Jesse Marcel on the program today, and wow,
Speaker 1: he's gonna go places that you never ever expected. You
Speaker 1: thought you knew the story, but you really don't, you
Speaker 1: really don't. So yes, we're going to have a conversation
Speaker 1: with him. Really great guy. I have talked to him
Speaker 1: so many times over the years. We kept in touch
Speaker 1: and just always always something new and uh yeah, uh
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot to learn yet and still but
Speaker 1: you know what those first segments about. This first segment
Speaker 1: is about talking about whatever and your emails, the outlanged
Speaker 1: corner stuff. Um So, uh I got I got into
Speaker 1: a conversation with somebody today. I gotta tell you, UM,
Speaker 1: always look for me on social media at one Heidi Hollis,
Speaker 1: that's that's me. Put a one in front of my name,
Speaker 1: and uh chat with me. I chat with people all
Speaker 1: the time. I don't be afraid, don't be scored, scared
Speaker 1: scored And people are like, wow, you responded, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can and I do sometimes. Um So, I got, um,
Speaker 1: I have a conversation with somebody. I have a group
Speaker 1: on Facebook called Paranormal Pledge. That's where you raise your
Speaker 1: right hand. It's where you're going to tell at least
Speaker 1: one other person that you've experienced something out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1: I mean, tired of keeping it to ourselves and we
Speaker 1: gotta grow, we gotta take steps. Okay, so join that
Speaker 1: group if you'd like. I also have the Shadow People
Speaker 1: and hat me an experiencer group there too. But today
Speaker 1: I got into a conversation with somebody who is um really?
Speaker 1: UM asked an interesting question and this is something that
Speaker 1: gets asked every so often, okay, and it was like, so,
Speaker 1: first off, who's here? I'm like, Ariam, Like, what do
Speaker 1: you think if I use a witch a board. What
Speaker 1: do you guys think? I said, don't do it. Don't
Speaker 1: do it? I mean why It's like and then it's like, well,
Speaker 1: what if I have really positive vibes and thoughts like
Speaker 1: shouldn't be okay? No, no, no, no, it's not okay.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, well, but but what if this?
Speaker 1: And what if that? What if this scenario? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, once again, no, I have had so many
Speaker 1: it's probably in the hundreds now of people who have
Speaker 1: contacted me and said I played with the witch word
Speaker 1: and lo and behold, I got shadow people coming at me.
Speaker 1: I started having nightmares, or hat man came and said
Speaker 1: thank you, you know, or I got this demon speaking
Speaker 1: through I thought it was my sister this whole time,
Speaker 1: but then it threatened me, and then things started moving
Speaker 1: and this and that, and then I've also had, you know,
Speaker 1: like something out of one of those old I don't know,
Speaker 1: teen movies or college kid movies where everybody's playing the
Speaker 1: Wedgi board and somebody dares or says something stupid and
Speaker 1: then bad things happened to them. Yeah, I've had those groups,
Speaker 1: but you know, the one person that something happened bad too,
Speaker 1: and how it followed them for years and they couldn't
Speaker 1: shake it or they felt they had a lot of
Speaker 1: bad luck after that incident. Okay, I mean, I am
Speaker 1: not kidding. These movies come from people like me who
Speaker 1: know how to right well or something. You know, I
Speaker 1: didn't make my stuff up. But you know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of fictional writers out there who take from reality.
Speaker 1: Look at all the people have ripped off shadow people
Speaker 1: or hat Man. So it's like, what what you know? What?
Speaker 1: Of course, these things are coming from things that might
Speaker 1: have happened. It might have been a rumor somewhere, and
Speaker 1: these people are real it happens to them. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: it's something that seems innocent, right, but it blows up
Speaker 1: into other things. And so I'm going to share something
Speaker 1: that happened to myself and using a wage aboard as
Speaker 1: a teenager, Yeah, I did, I did. Um. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to remember how I got that wage aboard. Huh, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. I can't remember. I can't
Speaker 1: remember if it was like gifted to me or something.
Speaker 1: I think it was. And I'm like, huh, what's this,
Speaker 1: you know, trying it out, and I'm like, well, this
Speaker 1: is interesting, you know, and uh I I played it
Speaker 1: with my sister and I took it to school. It's
Speaker 1: for you know, just hanging out playing. I mean, it
Speaker 1: seems silly, but you know, there's a lot of time
Speaker 1: in between classes in high school, and so one of
Speaker 1: the guys just like, you know, saying stupid stuff like
Speaker 1: we're sitting there playing, you know, I mean my friends
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like it's spelling things out and somebody
Speaker 1: in the class that, oh, that thing is stupid. You know.
Speaker 1: You know, I dare you to do something or something,
Speaker 1: and I am not kidding you. All the lights went
Speaker 1: out in the high school, all of them, and we all,
Speaker 1: you know, shrieked like whoa, whoa. And he's like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I take it back. I take it back. He's like,
Speaker 1: what's your what's your name? Dude, I'm sorry, And it's
Speaker 1: spelled a name that none of us were familiar with.
Speaker 1: But I know now Beazel bub Yeah. Anybody anybody raise
Speaker 1: your hand if you know that name that that's a demon? Okay,
Speaker 1: really bad one. Um yeah, it's like wow, okay, sorry, dude, apologize.
Speaker 1: You know, I was like I was free, I was
Speaker 1: a bit freaked. I'm like, huts, it's interesting. I grew
Speaker 1: up in a haunted house. You guys gotta understand. Grew
Speaker 1: up in a haunted house. And for me and my siblings,
Speaker 1: a movie wasn't a movie unless it was a horror
Speaker 1: movie because it's like therapeutic. So this was like almost
Speaker 1: a therapeutic thing, like, you know, wow, weird things can happen.
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one. We're not the only family
Speaker 1: like I have. These things happened. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: like all kind of a uh, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: find some normalcy. I guess, like this just can't be,
Speaker 1: you know, just us. So So anyways, yeah, so I
Speaker 1: guess I was like, well, I've seen worse at my house.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. Um So anyways, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you this is this is crazy. It's a crazy story.
Speaker 1: So myself and my younger sister were playing with it,
Speaker 1: and I'll never forget what it kind of went off
Speaker 1: the edge of the board and it raised itself up
Speaker 1: and came back on the board. I'm like, whoa did
Speaker 1: you see that? Like it should have got caught, like
Speaker 1: I should have had to take in my finger and
Speaker 1: lifted it put it back on. Know it did it
Speaker 1: by itself, okay. Um. And then this one day we're
Speaker 1: playing with it and we're watching TV at the same time,
Speaker 1: and I'm writing down the letters as they come up
Speaker 1: and not really paying attention, and my sister is like,
Speaker 1: you know, during the commercial, pikes, so let's just say
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I got all these scattered letters and
Speaker 1: I'm like, it doesn't it doesn't spell anything. I don't
Speaker 1: say anything here. And she's like, well, all right, you know,
Speaker 1: and like put her attention back to the TV. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, guys, I don't know why, but I
Speaker 1: kind of leaned back up my chair and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at this scattered lettering. I'm like, what this doesn't And
Speaker 1: then I decided to cross out every other letter and
Speaker 1: it spelled something. It's spelled twisting hair. I'm like, twisting hair. What?
Speaker 1: And I am looking down. I look at my sister.
Speaker 1: I get goose bumps right now. Let me thinking about it.
Speaker 1: She's got her back to me, you know, her head,
Speaker 1: and she's got one hand on the board on the
Speaker 1: planchet and she's twisting her hair. And I said, I'm
Speaker 1: like almost like preventilating I'm going look, look, look it
Speaker 1: spelled its spelled something. She's like, what what what? I'm
Speaker 1: like twisting hair. She's got her finger stuck in her
Speaker 1: in her in her hair, she's twisting. And then the
Speaker 1: board spelled something really quick, stop it. It's like we turned.
Speaker 1: We're like, who is this? It's like your mom. I mean,
Speaker 1: we just froze. We're like, mom, Mom, is this you is?
Speaker 1: It's really you? You know, We're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. You know, we got so much to
Speaker 1: tell you. And then my sister would always twist her
Speaker 1: hair into knots where my mother had to cut her
Speaker 1: hair out because she would make such nods. So she
Speaker 1: was telling her to stop it, and our mom did
Speaker 1: not engage to have a conversation. No, no, no, She's like,
Speaker 1: this thing. I've only come to tell you. This thing
Speaker 1: is evil. You need to stop up now. Do not
Speaker 1: break it, do not burn it. Separate this little moving
Speaker 1: piece with the board and throw it out. Now. I
Speaker 1: love you both. I have to go. And it just
Speaker 1: went goodbye. I mean we just bald, you know. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my goodness. I had lost my mother
Speaker 1: when I was seven years old, and here I was
Speaker 1: a teenager in high school and just like wow, just
Speaker 1: blew my mind. So um, I had some evil things
Speaker 1: come on that board. But my mother came through after
Speaker 1: all that time to say get rid of it. I
Speaker 1: tell you, I picked it right up, put into carriage bag,
Speaker 1: separated the planchet just as she said, and I was
Speaker 1: done until later and other people had a board. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, why, But that's another story. But you know,
Speaker 1: just to put that warning out there, guys, do not
Speaker 1: mass with them because you just do not know what
Speaker 1: will come through your mom or Basil bo the horrible.
Speaker 1: All right, you guys, we're in for a treat. We
Speaker 1: have Jessie Marcel coming up after the break. You are
Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heinie Hollis, I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio at Coast to Coast they am paranormal podcast network.
Speaker 1: Checker Rocks would be right welcome back. You are listening
Speaker 1: to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the
Speaker 1: high Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a am paranormal
Speaker 1: podcast network. As promise, I have a fabulous guest, Jessie Marcel,
Speaker 1: who was a successful inventor, published author, and public speaker,
Speaker 1: A guiding love of the unknown can be traced back
Speaker 1: to an unconventional childhood where space travel and the possibility
Speaker 1: of extrasolar life, where bedtime stories being His grandfather was
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel Jesse Marcel. He was the lead investigator into
Speaker 1: the crash of what he thought was a UFO in
Speaker 1: the deserts of Roswell, New Mexico, in n Jesse Marcel's
Speaker 1: visionary approach to the future is being applied currently to
Speaker 1: aerospace and medical technologies like his current projects Alien Alora,
Speaker 1: dot Com, Airborne Motor Works. He is the Chief Design
Speaker 1: Officer and Halo Cybernetics, the CEO and director and Abstract
Speaker 1: Site Production. So I'd like to welcome Jesse Marcel to
Speaker 1: the program. How are you doing there, Jesse, Oh, I'm fantastic.
Speaker 1: Just another day in paradise from Washington State. A little
Speaker 1: looking out there, went O's a little gray, but it's warm. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you have been somebody I've spoken to several
Speaker 1: times over the years, and uh the record, you are
Speaker 1: Jesse Marcel the third. I mean, your family name just
Speaker 1: keeps growing, and uh, it's it's interesting, you know. I
Speaker 1: was just talking to you just before we were recording
Speaker 1: and and I'm like, don't tell me there's a jesting
Speaker 1: arself the forth Like no, it's like I didn't do
Speaker 1: that too. I'm like, okay, that's okay. It's super confusing,
Speaker 1: it would yes, so tell us you know your background, Um,
Speaker 1: you know it's so rich, but you are always venturing
Speaker 1: into different areas and uh, I'd love for people to
Speaker 1: catch up to what what do this that droup to
Speaker 1: these days when I when I talk about this or
Speaker 1: or you know, the sort of thing, it's like, I
Speaker 1: think that being part of that original family that was
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a us so deeply involved in
Speaker 1: Roswell and that kind of thing and the public or
Speaker 1: the talk around the dinner table and that kind of
Speaker 1: thing left me with a very interesting perspective of the
Speaker 1: world around us. And that is basically that you know,
Speaker 1: it's all open. There are no you know, there's no boundaries.
Speaker 1: It can't be explored, um and and not not to
Speaker 1: you don't have to really go with the common you know,
Speaker 1: the common denominator though, well rousal was this? Well rousal
Speaker 1: was that you know obviously from where I said, I've
Speaker 1: heard it all, you know, in many variations some are
Speaker 1: very far fetched, some are really close, some are obviously
Speaker 1: um you know right on um. So it gave me
Speaker 1: a perspective on on everything. And as such, I opened
Speaker 1: myself up through my education, through through through college and
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Um. I explored a bunch of
Speaker 1: different areas aerospace, ended up by getting involved in statistics sharing.
Speaker 1: I was kind of interested in kind of a philosophical sense, um.
Speaker 1: But all of those led me down to where I'm
Speaker 1: at today, and that's where most of my life on
Speaker 1: an hourly basis is spent really you know, inventing, which
Speaker 1: almost sounds cliche, but I do. I come up with
Speaker 1: the concept, then a prototype, then I do a patent,
Speaker 1: and then I released into a chain of one or
Speaker 1: two different companies and then they go and take off
Speaker 1: with it. So that's my daily life. That's why I do.
Speaker 1: For the most part, I still have. I've still it
Speaker 1: really involved in Roswell, I had. I was given a
Speaker 1: wonderful opportunity this past year to be part of a ceremony,
Speaker 1: a ceremony, excuse me, in Roswell, where I was given
Speaker 1: the little speech when my grandfather was given given a
Speaker 1: star so to speak on their walk of fame. Um
Speaker 1: hit him in Stanton Friedman and his daughters were there.
Speaker 1: It was a really wonderful experience. So again like I
Speaker 1: couldn't have been happy with that. Wow, that's real. That
Speaker 1: is really cool. It did a great job. But that
Speaker 1: sounds like have you been accused of or I don't know,
Speaker 1: hypothesized that. Well, you're so smart, because obviously aliens must
Speaker 1: have had something to do with you and your family.
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's you have these interests and abilities
Speaker 1: that you do. When I started out, what I did is,
Speaker 1: you know, as a kid, it was kind of like
Speaker 1: you know, a flying car, etcetera. And there's there's the
Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk to even some companies out
Speaker 1: there working on really quad copters almost you sit in
Speaker 1: and you know, pray that you don't crash anyway. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of that kind of thing. But I
Speaker 1: was taking a different respective. I I'm into sports cars,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I used to do a little
Speaker 1: bit of racing and and I took that excitement and
Speaker 1: then I apolo, Okay, what it would it take to
Speaker 1: get when he used to fly, and to get what
Speaker 1: it was to fly there was It wasn't really a
Speaker 1: propulsion system that would work. You can't really use a
Speaker 1: propeller and a motor which people are trying to make work.
Speaker 1: So I so I went there and created this different
Speaker 1: propulsion system and that was kind of the the starting
Speaker 1: of a lot of what I do now. But um,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's just an interesting world when it
Speaker 1: comes to all this stuff, and it's it's exciting. But
Speaker 1: having said that, it's like when I first when some
Speaker 1: of the designs I had for a flying sports car
Speaker 1: um started hitting you know, different Internet and that kind
Speaker 1: of thing, and I was, I can't tell you how
Speaker 1: many people you know said I you know who told
Speaker 1: you how to do this? The aliens telling you do
Speaker 1: you gain this? Is this from Roswell? Is based on
Speaker 1: secret formulas, secret information that you gain from Roswell or
Speaker 1: passed down from your dad or grandfather. And my my
Speaker 1: thing was, well, if it was putting my head from aliens,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'll take it. If that's the
Speaker 1: way it is, I have no idea. Um And unfortunately
Speaker 1: this phase of my life happened after my father had
Speaker 1: passed away. But I can't I can't help. But you know,
Speaker 1: he was part of that that driving force to explore,
Speaker 1: to to uh you know, just to to to to
Speaker 1: ponder the those things that other people might not waste
Speaker 1: any time on. So to look at the excitement for
Speaker 1: for Christmas. It's kind of funny. We grew up and
Speaker 1: I built this book I've read behind. It's called The
Speaker 1: American Scientific and it's a it's a book of experiments
Speaker 1: from the fifties and sixties. Most of them would get
Speaker 1: you in trouble if you try to him to day,
Speaker 1: but uh, but in it were just a host of
Speaker 1: experiments that we did growing up. Like one was, you know,
Speaker 1: my dad built an adam smash in our basement. Uh
Speaker 1: we we I and my brother and with his help
Speaker 1: we were we we built rockets, but not the kind
Speaker 1: that you'd buy in a store. We actually went out
Speaker 1: and got the chemicals and built our own engines. And
Speaker 1: there was a whole story behind, you know, my brother
Speaker 1: losing his eyebrows because of it. You know, just all
Speaker 1: we had all kinds of stuff. But so we were
Speaker 1: never quite the typical. You know, if you in the family,
Speaker 1: we just seem like we're you know, we are typical.
Speaker 1: But you know, later on life had dawned on us
Speaker 1: that not everybody talked about alien life and UFOs and
Speaker 1: and and science and and string theory and as casual conversations. Um,
Speaker 1: but that's what it was. But it was a very
Speaker 1: it was very interesting. But it was all those things
Speaker 1: that my my father basically put my head growing up.
Speaker 1: All the stuff. And my grandfather too, I was you
Speaker 1: talk about. I was very lucky that I was able
Speaker 1: to spend time on a buy you with him with
Speaker 1: a fishing pole. Um, so I got to learn more
Speaker 1: about him. He was. He was a genius in his
Speaker 1: own right. Um. And it's kind of funny. It's like
Speaker 1: I I now have quite a number of patents out
Speaker 1: there and that kind of thing on different technologies I'm
Speaker 1: working on, and then my companies and the But my
Speaker 1: grandfather actually had a patent for doing on the back
Speaker 1: of a television like a like some kind of an
Speaker 1: extension doubling. You know, where you could put you could
Speaker 1: you could run a chord into it, run that chord
Speaker 1: into with something else. I I don't really know what
Speaker 1: the whole thing was about them, but I heard a
Speaker 1: little bit about it. But it's interesting because he actually
Speaker 1: was involved in an inventive process. My dad was involved
Speaker 1: in an inventive process. He was he was working deeply
Speaker 1: into silicon solar cells and a very quite a number
Speaker 1: of years ago. And uh, he would have probably received
Speaker 1: some patents from someone's work, but he didn't realize you
Speaker 1: didn't you know, the process for doing it. But so
Speaker 1: that again, that has kind of probe through our family
Speaker 1: through over the years, so since the very beginning. That's scinating.
Speaker 1: And it's even your grandfather, that's that's really cool because
Speaker 1: I mean here he was in the military. My father
Speaker 1: was also he worked for NORAD and he invented things,
Speaker 1: but it went under the guys of the military. However,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's unsung heroes. I think, well,
Speaker 1: it's like my grandfather was a TV repair man back
Speaker 1: in the day, way young he got there's he he
Speaker 1: got in trouble because a few pennies you'd get together.
Speaker 1: We're doing whatever. You'd be whatever you could do as
Speaker 1: a small child back in that in that era, to
Speaker 1: get some money, you go and buy components, radio components
Speaker 1: and build radios in a barn. And he was always
Speaker 1: apparently getting in trouble because he was wasting his money
Speaker 1: on this kind of stuff and why are you you know,
Speaker 1: doing any of that kind of stuff. But obviously it's
Speaker 1: it kind of paid off. Yeah my goodness. So yeah,
Speaker 1: not not typical at all, but you know, there's there
Speaker 1: is a pattern with people who are inventors of an
Speaker 1: extreme sort where they say, you know, I wake up
Speaker 1: and I felt like I downloaded this over the night
Speaker 1: or something. It's like I don't know where it's coming from,
Speaker 1: but they almost feel like there is an outer source
Speaker 1: sometimes for some of their way out their ideas and
Speaker 1: how to do it. I mean, do you feel like
Speaker 1: you get a download or you just like visualize and
Speaker 1: it's coming from a deeper place or I mean coming
Speaker 1: from a deeper place. It's it's like sometimes I'll be
Speaker 1: working on something and it'll just be bothering me and
Speaker 1: I can't figure it out. I can't figure it out,
Speaker 1: and I go to sleep and next morning it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: that was obvious, and then I can and I can
Speaker 1: do it. And that happens over and over again. So
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's coming from like some kind of
Speaker 1: a RESTful subconscious state of some kind, or if it's
Speaker 1: you know, there's all there. There's so many. You know,
Speaker 1: you go out there and and you know was there
Speaker 1: you know with Roswell, what was passed out? Obviously, information, story, folklore,
Speaker 1: all that kind of thing has passed out. What you know,
Speaker 1: my family, hell the stuff was was there actually some
Speaker 1: kind of a transference of some kind? I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: who knows. There's nothing to say that happened. There's nothing
Speaker 1: to say it didn't happen. It's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: do believe whatever you want, but it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know that I'm blessed with with a certain clarity
Speaker 1: um that that a lot of that some people don't have.
Speaker 1: And it's somethings, but everybody's like that in some way.
Speaker 1: But some things are are are are simple and clear
Speaker 1: as day, and other people they have no idea how
Speaker 1: that even works. So what you know, whatever it is
Speaker 1: that makes up the human intelligence and all these different
Speaker 1: experiences and the physiology. But you know, I was lucky.
Speaker 1: I think I got I got a good mixture of
Speaker 1: of of a little bit of this, a little bit
Speaker 1: that in my and as we talked before the show,
Speaker 1: was like and my my son is a rock star genius,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's just it's just interesting how that
Speaker 1: kind of passes through. I mean, I'm a credible daughter too,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to say that. But he is.
Speaker 1: He's just like he is. He's so far beyond what
Speaker 1: what you know. It's just interesting because I the things
Speaker 1: he does are are like he's he's going he just
Speaker 1: got a scholar have to go to a stem school
Speaker 1: to for ai And I was, I was, I was
Speaker 1: joking with him. I said, you realize you're already working
Speaker 1: far beyond what they're going to educate you with. Is
Speaker 1: he yeah, but you know, let's do it. It's it's true,
Speaker 1: it is it's it's like, it's like he's and I
Speaker 1: put him in the same class as my father. My
Speaker 1: father was an absolute genius. I had geniuses tell me
Speaker 1: how my dad was an absolute genius who is always
Speaker 1: a nice team here and I'll say that that, I'll
Speaker 1: say that my son is not same. Well, anywhere we're
Speaker 1: gonna get to the next break, you know we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: We're just some cheek swabs in the whole family. See
Speaker 1: how alien you guys are. Alight? All right, you guys,
Speaker 1: you're listening to Dark becomes Light with me, Heidi Hollis
Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a
Speaker 1: am para Normal's podcast network. A welcome back. You are
Speaker 1: listening to Darker Comes Light with me Idy Hollis on
Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio Coast to Coast a um para
Speaker 1: normal podcast network. I have Jessie Marcel and wow, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you don't know that name, you should. I mean
Speaker 1: I would say how you wouldn't. Um he is the
Speaker 1: third in the family with the same name. But you
Speaker 1: know the Roswell stuff, I mean, absolutely notorious for it.
Speaker 1: But you've got a big life, Jesse, and you've got
Speaker 1: a lot of brains flown through the family. But you've
Speaker 1: also experienced some super strange things and I would love
Speaker 1: to dive into that, so please do share. You've been
Speaker 1: dealing with the paranormal as well. Huh. I have, and
Speaker 1: it's it's never been uncomfortable, but it's it's an interesting
Speaker 1: thing and it's and it's something I completely believe that
Speaker 1: maybe exactly how it happens. But we were we we
Speaker 1: we lived in a place out of classy, Montana and
Speaker 1: um end up my my dad and by buying a
Speaker 1: house in Helena, Montana and uh, he that the house
Speaker 1: was interesting. It was actually an old It was owned
Speaker 1: by the Catholic Church and it was actually the dorm
Speaker 1: room for the Catholic Church for quite a number of years.
Speaker 1: And we're talking. It was actually it was built in
Speaker 1: the eighteen nineties, so it was an older place, three
Speaker 1: story and matching, huge crystal chandeliers and all this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. And we moved in. It was always fun,
Speaker 1: it was exciting, and it was it was by some
Speaker 1: silver baron. It was like, there's a lot of history
Speaker 1: from the house. And we move in there and we
Speaker 1: started noticing some odd things, you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: having conversations with somebody and having a painting on the
Speaker 1: wall fly off, just just walk by, boom, sitting in uh,
Speaker 1: just different discussions, hearing odd noises and footsteps and and
Speaker 1: and have you. Um. And you know, as kids were
Speaker 1: kind of like, well, let's have a seance and see
Speaker 1: what happened. So I had some very close friends and
Speaker 1: brother and sister were you guys. It sounds like a
Speaker 1: setup from the beginning with the with the church having
Speaker 1: owned it crystal three floors eight nineties, and then you
Speaker 1: guys pushed out with the seance I'm like, I'm surprised
Speaker 1: you're not possessed right now, but okay, I just couldn't
Speaker 1: hold it anymore, like this is a set up. Of
Speaker 1: course he was going to be haunted. But now, okay, Jesse, sure,
Speaker 1: let's let's hear this well that the house was owned
Speaker 1: by the Tatum that you know back and that they
Speaker 1: had it built. And this is Tatum died by she
Speaker 1: was hit and run over by a carriage in front
Speaker 1: of the house. And this is like the very if
Speaker 1: I'm right, for the very early nine hundreds, and so
Speaker 1: there was a precedence that somebody passed away in the
Speaker 1: area of the house anyway, But back to it, so
Speaker 1: we're a lot of strange things happening. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: they could be explained away, and maybe they couldn't. And
Speaker 1: we were we were in and uh in our in
Speaker 1: our one of the there's like three Foundli was on
Speaker 1: the first floor and we're in there talking and I
Speaker 1: think we're referenced I lost my my mother the young age,
Speaker 1: and we wanted, uh, you know, it's kind of like
Speaker 1: a Sunds kind of like is anybody listening whatever? And
Speaker 1: then all at once, every one of the you know,
Speaker 1: the around the windows. Everything flew up in that kind
Speaker 1: of thing, just like it was like what the heck.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like it was scary, but it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how I explain this one away. Um,
Speaker 1: So there was that kind of thing. And and I
Speaker 1: remember there was one when when when a very good
Speaker 1: friend of mine sgain you can't have a very close
Speaker 1: friend of mine. And Troy Berry and all these people
Speaker 1: are all good friends of mine, high school friends, and
Speaker 1: we're all we we got some movies to come back,
Speaker 1: and everybody's crashed out the house. We're all on the
Speaker 1: second floor, and so I go turn off all the lights.
Speaker 1: All lights run up prop on the third floor, which
Speaker 1: is the ballroom, and all kinds of things, really interesting place.
Speaker 1: And so I turn all the lights off, and you know,
Speaker 1: do the usual place, brush my teeth whatever, and I
Speaker 1: go down. And and then then also you can just bang,
Speaker 1: bang bang upstairs, you know, very loud, you know, no
Speaker 1: no question, there's a lot a lot of noise and
Speaker 1: stuff going on above us. So I I leave my
Speaker 1: bedroom and I go out, and I look upstairs, and
Speaker 1: all lighter back on again. So I actually go in
Speaker 1: and I wake up my dad, and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I think somebody's now because there was a third story,
Speaker 1: like this little tiny perch up there that you could
Speaker 1: get on and get into the house. You know, it
Speaker 1: would be very difficult to get to, but I figured
Speaker 1: that's what happened, and and I woke him up, and
Speaker 1: he was and he was like, no, no, no, you're
Speaker 1: just hearing blah bah blah bla like oh, okay, they
Speaker 1: heard it too, And so he went upstairs and and
Speaker 1: looked around, and he came back and says, there is
Speaker 1: nothing up there, and turned the lights back off, and everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody laid down again across around, like, you know, staring
Speaker 1: at the ceiling. At this point, it was enough that
Speaker 1: you know there's something really to this. And then there's
Speaker 1: a lot more stories that I'm kind of I'm touching
Speaker 1: the fringes of it. And we had a friend who's
Speaker 1: my good friend of my dad. He was a very
Speaker 1: tough military sergeant. Um. Not an incredibly nice guy, but
Speaker 1: you know, just tough. And they said, well, I'm going
Speaker 1: to stay up there. You know, I've heard about this stuff,
Speaker 1: you guys talking. I'm gonna stay up there. The next morning,
Speaker 1: he comes down Sarah's and says, nobody stay the night
Speaker 1: up there. Ever, don't do it. And and he was
Speaker 1: like with out question there was not it is is
Speaker 1: that you do not do that. You do not go
Speaker 1: up there and and spend the night. And that's all
Speaker 1: I know about it. Whether it was just kind of
Speaker 1: playing with it or not, but he seemed pretty bit
Speaker 1: serious about it. And so so we grew up with
Speaker 1: that in the house. And there was there was other
Speaker 1: things like I had a couple of of half sisters
Speaker 1: my father read married a wonderful one and in their
Speaker 1: room and in my you know, like there one and
Speaker 1: two or two and three years old, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And they came and then and then one morning they said, yeah,
Speaker 1: what one of one of my one of them had
Speaker 1: had some problems, she had some night terrors, that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. And Mrs Potatum as they called her, you know,
Speaker 1: because actually Mrs Tatum, but they're a little little little kids,
Speaker 1: they call her Miss Potatum, was there and she consold
Speaker 1: them so they they are as little as little girls,
Speaker 1: had no problems with it at all. In fact, she
Speaker 1: was a positive presidents presence. She helped calm down and
Speaker 1: do all these things. So that so again we had
Speaker 1: no there was no We just you know, kind of
Speaker 1: we shared the house with this whatever it was, and
Speaker 1: that was it, and it wasn't you know. We always
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting. And I think my sister Denise
Speaker 1: found this out from the front row. You can look
Speaker 1: up from the road that run in front of the house.
Speaker 1: You could look up on the third story and there's
Speaker 1: this little window. And we realized that there is no
Speaker 1: room behind that window. And it turns out there's a
Speaker 1: little there was a room behind this window, but it
Speaker 1: was completely it was completely covered over. So it was
Speaker 1: always one of those mysteries like should we go up
Speaker 1: the chainsaw and get to it? But he never did.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean it was interesting and I
Speaker 1: like I said, I I I have no you know,
Speaker 1: being that close to it, there was there's something to it,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, like, okay, I think about science.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? You know, is there as souls
Speaker 1: or ghosts? Is there is there? You know, move one
Speaker 1: step out of more of the fringe and into the
Speaker 1: idea like well, you know maybe you know that you
Speaker 1: know I thought is that you know, there's different different
Speaker 1: you know, multiverse. I do believe in that. My father
Speaker 1: always talked about how you know, if you looked at
Speaker 1: an electronic as a universe, there's an infinite number of
Speaker 1: universes larger than you, an infinite number of smaller you.
Speaker 1: Just it's like a mirror um and that maybe there's
Speaker 1: a crossover between you know, different universes and for some reason,
Speaker 1: for a moment, there's there's like a connection or something
Speaker 1: like that. But you know who, no ray knows what
Speaker 1: it was. But all I know is with that house,
Speaker 1: there was something going on. And I've never been in
Speaker 1: another house there was anything like it, you know. And
Speaker 1: I'm not about to hurt the value of it from
Speaker 1: people on it now, but it was definitely strange. Well,
Speaker 1: it's fascinating well with your mind and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and you're understanding this connection between all these different things
Speaker 1: like there there's obviously something going on in this world
Speaker 1: that allows us to know that there's aliens, there's other presences,
Speaker 1: and and there's interdimensionals. But I have it under good
Speaker 1: authority and understanding that even our government of course has
Speaker 1: that understanding. And they have and I'm going to suggest
Speaker 1: you maybe try this once and and and something for
Speaker 1: all of us to use, like a super advanced e
Speaker 1: v P like electronic phenomenon type of machine that the
Speaker 1: government uses to listen to all of the in betweens,
Speaker 1: like they will go to a location with these certain
Speaker 1: machines and listen. So I bet you and your genius
Speaker 1: children could really come up with the NEATST thing. So
Speaker 1: I'm planning that seed and I'm taking credit for it
Speaker 1: and let me know how it goes. That is an
Speaker 1: interesting I've never thought about it, but I have about
Speaker 1: three and three ideas coming in my mind right now
Speaker 1: how to do something like that. So I'll definitely explore
Speaker 1: that and share whatever. Right I I do tend to
Speaker 1: look at things a little bit differently for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, but just crazy. But I
Speaker 1: would really, I'd be all about it because if it
Speaker 1: I know somebody that's that's created some things along those lines.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like there's always limitations, but every
Speaker 1: new one he makes it's a little bit better. But
Speaker 1: you know you're into all this type of thing, I mean,
Speaker 1: so why not I want to see what you could
Speaker 1: come up with. Make it purple, please, Like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: all right down right now, it has to be purple.
Speaker 1: I have somebody else wanted me to build a flying
Speaker 1: car with feathers on it, so why not feathers? Even yeah,
Speaker 1: I swear it's like, you know, when I heard that
Speaker 1: they were doing that, like so they know who else
Speaker 1: could make a better, you know, type of listening device.
Speaker 1: But the government with all with no limits with their budget.
Speaker 1: But you've got the mind of no, how so hey,
Speaker 1: I'm I can't wait. I can't wait. What thing that happened?
Speaker 1: I don't think it's out of the out of the
Speaker 1: box for me to say it, but we I do
Speaker 1: have some patents around some interesting propulsion systems, and the
Speaker 1: government stepped in actually, and I had to sign releases
Speaker 1: saying that I did not I did not work for
Speaker 1: NASA or the Department of Energy or a couple other institutions.
Speaker 1: So it was interesting. That's not supposed to happen, but
Speaker 1: they're there. They basically froze it. I signed some paperwork
Speaker 1: and then they released it. But it was interesting for
Speaker 1: one thing, you know, as far as big brother but
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call our government, is that you know,
Speaker 1: you think that you're these patents go into a dark
Speaker 1: box and it's it's this and you're protected. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's people are people are watching that
Speaker 1: stuff carefully within within our government anyway, just because there's
Speaker 1: no way they would have known what was in some
Speaker 1: of these patents unless they're reading them. So it is interesting.
Speaker 1: It's not there's nothing that spectacular that I really care
Speaker 1: that they're reading them. It's just you know, protection and
Speaker 1: company stuff. But but it was interesting, and I was
Speaker 1: kind of given this that it was actually kind of
Speaker 1: where there's a badge of honor because that is not
Speaker 1: what happens, and he's really have something. I'm thinking, oh good,
Speaker 1: that's good. So anyway, so yeah, it's like on again,
Speaker 1: off again. But um, but no, that's there is there is,
Speaker 1: and I it's you know, in this whole thing. I was.
Speaker 1: I was very lucky. I met the best woman. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been married now for oh gosh, why do I
Speaker 1: have to say how long? A long time? And and
Speaker 1: and and she did she she she was she she
Speaker 1: um believe in some of this stuff, that paranormal, the
Speaker 1: you know, the all all that and you know that thing.
Speaker 1: And then and then she got married into the Roswell story.
Speaker 1: And now she's as big a part of it as
Speaker 1: anybody else's Patricia. But she didn't off the house. This
Speaker 1: is awesome. No, she didn't. She didn't run screaming away,
Speaker 1: which he probably should have, but she didn't. But it's
Speaker 1: all it's so it's yeah, so it's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: truly a family thing, and it's and and and it's it's.
Speaker 1: I always try to tell people because they my sister
Speaker 1: takes a different, different look at it. But my grandfather
Speaker 1: was actually very very amazed at you know, all the people,
Speaker 1: and he happened to be that one. It was the
Speaker 1: right place at the right time, So I think that
Speaker 1: had the right steps to make something up it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it was burdensome in a lot of
Speaker 1: ways to him, you know, back to Roswell, but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, he thought he was lucky.
Speaker 1: So so it is so because some people say, oh,
Speaker 1: there isn't horrible. Yeah, I'm sure there was parts, and
Speaker 1: there was parts you know that some score your crew.
Speaker 1: But but at the end of the last days of
Speaker 1: life by I think that that's the kind of stuff
Speaker 1: that I hang my head on us. And he was
Speaker 1: very problem that's awesome. Well, we gotta get to our
Speaker 1: next break. You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes
Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio
Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast am para normal podcast Network. Welcome back.
Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi
Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast
Speaker 1: a m para normal podcast network. So Jesse, my goodness,
Speaker 1: you have so much and so many wild understandings that
Speaker 1: I have just find amazing. But you're also involved in
Speaker 1: certain kind of artifact. Can you tell us a little
Speaker 1: bit about that? Yeah, if I can give a broad
Speaker 1: story to start out with, I've been contacted by various
Speaker 1: governments around the world because they have crash sites of
Speaker 1: a questionable forgins I guess the right word, and I've
Speaker 1: been asked to compare and contrast the debris they have
Speaker 1: from whatever it was to what I understand that the
Speaker 1: roswell stuff was. You know, that wasn't the material wasn't
Speaker 1: like this or was like that. It's always been of interest,
Speaker 1: and I've had some great conversations and a lot of
Speaker 1: times with their version of their air force, that kind
Speaker 1: of thing that does this, but but I've never actually
Speaker 1: gone out like once in Argentina. I didn't go down there,
Speaker 1: but I I really should. You know, there's all these
Speaker 1: different things coming on TV now about finding ancient artifacts.
Speaker 1: Ebers was ancient Aliens and uh in. One of those
Speaker 1: people was Philip Coppins. He was in the very beginning
Speaker 1: he had I did a documentary together a while ago
Speaker 1: and before he passed unfortunately, um I spent about decade now,
Speaker 1: so I've been kind of on the fringe of all
Speaker 1: of that about getting down and he's he's an Egyptologist.
Speaker 1: He was, you know, all these things and studied the
Speaker 1: actuality that you know, old old ancient um ruins, that
Speaker 1: kind of thing, and I've i've I've never really been
Speaker 1: involved in that, you know. Really I started with Roswell
Speaker 1: and people told me about their stories. That was about
Speaker 1: it recently in the last year anyway, So people got
Speaker 1: hold of me, and you know, that led to some
Speaker 1: interesting conversations and I'm told they have these ancient artifacts
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, that sounds interesting, but
Speaker 1: I was I was a little bit uh you know, hesitant,
Speaker 1: and said, yeah, you know, I know there's lots of
Speaker 1: stuff out there, you know, and unfortunately there's a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, there's obviously a lot of figs and
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. It's like, it's like and I'm
Speaker 1: my life is a crazy busy right now, and it
Speaker 1: just kind of came down. It's like, well, no, we
Speaker 1: this is real. And at first I was a little
Speaker 1: bit on the edge. But the more I got to
Speaker 1: talk to the people that directly involved in it, I
Speaker 1: realized there weren't you know, new UFO people. They weren't
Speaker 1: you know, they weren't that there. They were just regular
Speaker 1: people that had an experience and it happened to be
Speaker 1: kind of like my grandfather, the right place at the
Speaker 1: right time. Anyway, this um so you can you know,
Speaker 1: They said, can we send you pictures? I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't, I said, you know, unfortunately, that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: a whole lot anymore. I mean, I can you can
Speaker 1: send pictures and and and they have a lot of
Speaker 1: legal paper prinds. That's you know, that's fine, But I
Speaker 1: really don't know what I can do other than say
Speaker 1: that looks amazing to me. They were willing to put
Speaker 1: their reputations on the line and actually sent me some
Speaker 1: sent me a piece and they're gonna send me some
Speaker 1: more pieces to be investigated, UM and that and that's
Speaker 1: all for age. UM. You know, there's there's a quite
Speaker 1: a number different test for doing on them. It's really
Speaker 1: turned out to be quite interesting. The more I talked
Speaker 1: to him, the more I realized the story from them
Speaker 1: is is that as far as where these came from,
Speaker 1: it makes sense. And if you actually look at the objects,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's I mean, they're tens of thousands of
Speaker 1: years old and they definitely have an influence from you know,
Speaker 1: our our alien brethren, um, and how they looked at them.
Speaker 1: So it's not And now it's just a matter of
Speaker 1: me of going through I I need. I'm going through
Speaker 1: and getting them on the very very beginning of this.
Speaker 1: I have some some partners in it. They're wonderful I wanted.
Speaker 1: His name is Dan Hallie, and I work with him
Speaker 1: on He's he's actually he's a homicide detective and he's
Speaker 1: bringing his forensic expertise into the picture about how to
Speaker 1: how to get this and took a very signed hypic
Speaker 1: and very carefully measured way to to look at this.
Speaker 1: So if it is real, we want to be without
Speaker 1: question that's real versus if it's faith, lots a little
Speaker 1: easier to approve. If that was the case, interesting you
Speaker 1: call it alien brethren, but could it be lost technology potentially?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, this, this, this, these are old jade pieces,
Speaker 1: um that are that in my opinion, they have been
Speaker 1: carved by some civilization that have that that definitely they
Speaker 1: see aliens the same way we do. Um. So, so
Speaker 1: it's it's not so much you know, I kind of
Speaker 1: look at it as as that they crossed their beliefs
Speaker 1: with their sky gods, you know, rain gods, and they
Speaker 1: intermixed those with alien symbology that kind of thing. So
Speaker 1: it's there's definitely a mixture there. And if it's you know,
Speaker 1: anything more than a thousand years old less, long before
Speaker 1: anybody you know talked about you know so much, you know,
Speaker 1: way you talked about a graze or you know, any
Speaker 1: of these kind of whatever people want to call them.
Speaker 1: But it's it's definitely has an influence that has the history.
Speaker 1: If for instance, that this is a fake, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's interesting because it brings in it has from the
Speaker 1: right time frame for where the images came from from
Speaker 1: their carvings on it that kind of thing. And I'm
Speaker 1: told that they're into the thousands of these. So so
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a it's a it's very interesting.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, so far I have nothing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have really proof either way, but
Speaker 1: I've definitely slanted the word. This looks very interesting. And
Speaker 1: at the very least, it was done long before we
Speaker 1: had the pyramids, the different pyramids, you know, those kind
Speaker 1: of things, And you look at it that way, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like you kind of go through this
Speaker 1: in your mind because you know, I did talk to
Speaker 1: the people and I found out it's kind of a
Speaker 1: hot topic among archaeologists, and it's and it's more like
Speaker 1: out to say that you're you're just crazy. It's like
Speaker 1: that can't be you know, my research shows that couldn't
Speaker 1: have happened, so therefore it didn't happen. And or on
Speaker 1: the flip side of that, well, you know, hey, you're nobody.
Speaker 1: How how in the world did you end up with
Speaker 1: this in your lap when I should be the one
Speaker 1: doing this, you know those kind of things. I get
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff like, oh whatever, um, but for
Speaker 1: my limited scope, and I'm not an archaeologist. I have
Speaker 1: no education, and that for my my limited knowledge of it.
Speaker 1: And then and is that it looks very interesting. A
Speaker 1: couple of people that have held and touched it they
Speaker 1: feel the same way. And so we're looking, we're building
Speaker 1: a team around it, and and uh and getting the
Speaker 1: right you know, it's a slower path that we're getting
Speaker 1: the right people, because I want to if if this
Speaker 1: is real, it's it's like ancient aliens on steroids, because
Speaker 1: it's it's not just it's not just it's not just
Speaker 1: talking and you know, and and photographs and this it's
Speaker 1: actually hands on, you know, it's it's actually here. Pick
Speaker 1: it up, you know, what do you So there's all
Speaker 1: kinds of very interesting things about it. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's actually it's it's incredibly fascinating and and and and
Speaker 1: just just a sheer size of half the debris there
Speaker 1: are they are the artifacts where we want to call them.
Speaker 1: I'm some of them are thousands of pounds, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm told so I'm actually personally seen them. But
Speaker 1: there are thousands of pounds like and what I have,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not small even like it's not like
Speaker 1: a little something dangles on the end of a necklace. No,
Speaker 1: this is the biggest a suitcase. I'm so so it is.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting. I'm being very careful because I want
Speaker 1: to go. I want to get I want to do
Speaker 1: it the right way. We're doing all the science behind
Speaker 1: all the forensics, like the the glue that holds certain
Speaker 1: stones on. You know, as it turnout it was it
Speaker 1: was something that was created twenty years ago or is
Speaker 1: it something that was actually used back you know that
Speaker 1: we or you know what's holding the thing together. You
Speaker 1: know those kind of things. There's lots of interesting stones
Speaker 1: in it um and just those kind of things as
Speaker 1: parts of it UM. So yeah, it's just going through
Speaker 1: that whole thing, trying not to get I hate to
Speaker 1: say it's I'm trying not to get too excited about it,
Speaker 1: which I'm having a hard time and not getting really
Speaker 1: excited about it. But it's it's very you know, I
Speaker 1: need to get to the point where I'm it's like
Speaker 1: it's irrefutable forensic science behind it that had been refuted
Speaker 1: by opinion, because right now it's all opinion. And then
Speaker 1: and go to those next steps. The idea. What these
Speaker 1: folks want is they want it brought to the world.
Speaker 1: They want it. They want to let everybody know that
Speaker 1: that we were working with some kind of ancient aliens
Speaker 1: civilizations tens of thousands of years ago. They're sending this
Speaker 1: stuff to me. They're doing it all. You know, they're
Speaker 1: they're they're going well beyond putting a lot of trust
Speaker 1: to me with this stuff. And and so far everything
Speaker 1: they've done has come out to be you know, as
Speaker 1: far as their interaction with me and what what they've said,
Speaker 1: they're going to do what they do, um and so
Speaker 1: it's it's it's very inspiring. It's like, you know, if
Speaker 1: it was set up as being something that wasn't true,
Speaker 1: they would have done what they've done. So it leads
Speaker 1: me to believe at least one thing is what they
Speaker 1: believe of what they have is what they're saying, and
Speaker 1: it has been tested before, so it's not the first
Speaker 1: time around either. So it's intriguing. And uh, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get all all of science going and that kind of
Speaker 1: thing and that. And I said, it's it's fascinating to
Speaker 1: be hands on because you know, you see stuff in
Speaker 1: books and stuff, but actually to have it to hold
Speaker 1: your hands is a different experience. Uh so it might
Speaker 1: move people out of this more doubtful, questionable sense into
Speaker 1: this other reality of like it's here already, and you know,
Speaker 1: I can't help but to think that that's part of
Speaker 1: the reason why our government finally decided to shed a
Speaker 1: little bit of light on these topics, because people are
Speaker 1: coming forward with some interesting things, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we've had things for a long time. I mean, but
Speaker 1: I love that you carrying that same family name, are
Speaker 1: bringing us out of the nineteen forties, uh ufo debate
Speaker 1: into it's in my hands people, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: testing it and I've got to know how to do it.
Speaker 1: I love it so wow. So I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you think about this thought when when people say, you know,
Speaker 1: our our ancient ancestors, like we're all Atlanteans and we
Speaker 1: learned these things before, and we're kind of talking to
Speaker 1: our higher selves, like you kind of get these downloads
Speaker 1: of these you know, how to do things, how to
Speaker 1: how to invent certain things. I mean, are these are
Speaker 1: our ancient selves that are you know, kind of sending
Speaker 1: us a message through time. It's kind of kind of
Speaker 1: wild and out there, But I sometimes wonder about the
Speaker 1: truth of that. It's one of those things that that
Speaker 1: you would be if you said absolutely either way, then
Speaker 1: I would you know that that would be right, and
Speaker 1: saying that's not true would be a mistake as well,
Speaker 1: because you know the same thing, you know, where we
Speaker 1: came from our ore down to the level of where
Speaker 1: our our genetic imprinting is our DNA, and that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. Things are definitely passed from you know, passed
Speaker 1: from lifetime to lifetime, experience to experience. You know, we
Speaker 1: all came out of stars of the chemicals and make
Speaker 1: up us and our our our planets and are our
Speaker 1: existence and our understanding existence. And to say that there
Speaker 1: isn't a connection, how can there not be? There has
Speaker 1: to be, you know, even in the simplest sense of
Speaker 1: how my dad like tomatoes and for some reason I
Speaker 1: like tomatoes, you know, is that it just you know,
Speaker 1: take that out a thousand times. So so I'm thinking
Speaker 1: that that we're not influenced by other things that are
Speaker 1: beyond our comprehension. We've got to get ourselves running. Can
Speaker 1: you throw outlee how people can get a hold of
Speaker 1: you or your books? Do you want to get through
Speaker 1: I work with a company called Alien Lure dot com.
Speaker 1: We have a little a little website up and we
Speaker 1: have you know, books and and we did an anniversary
Speaker 1: coin for Roswell, which is kind of fun to do,
Speaker 1: and so we have some stuff on there and it
Speaker 1: has contact information. Awesome. Thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: on the show today, Jessie Marcelis is great. Thank you
Speaker 1: well everybody, we have come to the bottom of another
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