1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Ori and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, Tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware of the thoughts 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: and opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: opinions only and do not reflect those of I Heart Media, 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast AM employees of premier networks, 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: matter for yourself. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light 14 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: with Me Heidi Hollis on me I Heard Radio and 15 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast. They am Sara Normal Podcast Network. Welcome 16 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: to my show. Remember each week this is the place 17 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: you go to when you want to learn and hear 18 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: the latest stories that are going on out there in 19 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: the world. I'm talking about shadow people, big foot, Angela Connors, 20 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: near death experiences, anything and everything. I welcome you the listener, 21 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: to send in your stories, your thoughts, rumors, legends, anything 22 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: and everything. Uh, and go to my main website, which 23 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: is Heidi Hollis dot com. For those of you who 24 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: do not notice all my name, shadow folks dot com 25 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: will also take you there and tell me your stories. 26 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: Tell me all the finer details. I have had a 27 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: salut like an epidemic of people who are just like 28 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: I've got the best story ever. You know, just write 29 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: me and I'll tell you more. Well, what do you 30 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: think that? What do you think that forum is for? 31 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: Not to ask me to request something from you? It 32 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: is bizarre. I mean, people can hear me clearly right 33 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: right and tell me your stories. Tell it right there. 34 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: That's a place. That's a spot. I don't need to 35 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: get hold of you to ask again, No, I hope not. 36 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: Or the one liners. I get a lot of one liners. 37 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: Saw something once, big bird? What do you think I 38 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: actually got that one once? Um? So, I mean, you know, 39 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm not a psychic, though some of my psychic friends 40 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: would say otherwise, but uh, I need to hear it. 41 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: I need to hear the details. And everybody listens to 42 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: this show, they're like those are the best when people 43 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: give the details are the super duper long emails. I know, 44 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: I know, I know, so um yeah, I'm a fan 45 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: of your letters. So send him on in. And you 46 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: know what, guys, I gotta tell you what today is about. Today, 47 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: I have Jesse Marcel coming on the show. If you 48 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: do not know that name, then you don't know UFOs. 49 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: You don't know where it all began with the nineteen 50 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: seven Roswell New Mexico UFO crash and what happened with 51 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: that same name, Jesse Marcel, because that name has been 52 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: passed down through generations. And we have the grandson of 53 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: the Lieutenant Colonel Jesse Marcel on the program today, and wow, 54 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: he's gonna go places that you never ever expected. You 55 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: thought you knew the story, but you really don't, you 56 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: really don't. So yes, we're going to have a conversation 57 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: with him. Really great guy. I have talked to him 58 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: so many times over the years. We kept in touch 59 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: and just always always something new and uh yeah, uh 60 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot to learn yet and still but 61 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: you know what those first segments about. This first segment 62 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: is about talking about whatever and your emails, the outlanged 63 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: corner stuff. Um So, uh I got I got into 64 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: a conversation with somebody today. I gotta tell you, UM, 65 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: always look for me on social media at one Heidi Hollis, 66 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: that's that's me. Put a one in front of my name, 67 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: and uh chat with me. I chat with people all 68 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: the time. I don't be afraid, don't be scored, scared 69 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: scored And people are like, wow, you responded, Yeah, I 70 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: can and I do sometimes. Um So, I got, um, 71 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: I have a conversation with somebody. I have a group 72 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: on Facebook called Paranormal Pledge. That's where you raise your 73 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: right hand. It's where you're going to tell at least 74 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: one other person that you've experienced something out of the ordinary. 75 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: I mean, tired of keeping it to ourselves and we 76 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: gotta grow, we gotta take steps. Okay, so join that 77 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: group if you'd like. I also have the Shadow People 78 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: and hat me an experiencer group there too. But today 79 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: I got into a conversation with somebody who is um really? 80 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: UM asked an interesting question and this is something that 81 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: gets asked every so often, okay, and it was like, so, 82 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: first off, who's here? I'm like, Ariam, Like, what do 83 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: you think if I use a witch a board. What 84 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: do you guys think? I said, don't do it. Don't 85 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: do it? I mean why It's like and then it's like, well, 86 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: what if I have really positive vibes and thoughts like 87 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: shouldn't be okay? No, no, no, no, it's not okay. 88 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: You know. It's like, well, but but what if this? 89 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: And what if that? What if this scenario? And I'm like, 90 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: you know, once again, no, I have had so many 91 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: it's probably in the hundreds now of people who have 92 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: contacted me and said I played with the witch word 93 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: and lo and behold, I got shadow people coming at me. 94 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: I started having nightmares, or hat man came and said 95 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: thank you, you know, or I got this demon speaking 96 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: through I thought it was my sister this whole time, 97 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: but then it threatened me, and then things started moving 98 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: and this and that, and then I've also had, you know, 99 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: like something out of one of those old I don't know, 100 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: teen movies or college kid movies where everybody's playing the 101 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: Wedgi board and somebody dares or says something stupid and 102 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: then bad things happened to them. Yeah, I've had those groups, 103 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: but you know, the one person that something happened bad too, 104 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: and how it followed them for years and they couldn't 105 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: shake it or they felt they had a lot of 106 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: bad luck after that incident. Okay, I mean, I am 107 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: not kidding. These movies come from people like me who 108 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: know how to right well or something. You know, I 109 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: didn't make my stuff up. But you know, there's a 110 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: lot of fictional writers out there who take from reality. 111 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: Look at all the people have ripped off shadow people 112 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: or hat Man. So it's like, what what you know? What? 113 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: Of course, these things are coming from things that might 114 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: have happened. It might have been a rumor somewhere, and 115 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: these people are real it happens to them. Sometimes it's 116 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: it's something that seems innocent, right, but it blows up 117 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: into other things. And so I'm going to share something 118 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: that happened to myself and using a wage aboard as 119 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: a teenager, Yeah, I did, I did. Um. I'm trying 120 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: to remember how I got that wage aboard. Huh, I 121 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. I can't remember. I can't 122 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: remember if it was like gifted to me or something. 123 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: I think it was. And I'm like, huh, what's this, 124 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, trying it out, and I'm like, well, this 125 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: is interesting, you know, and uh I I played it 126 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: with my sister and I took it to school. It's 127 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: for you know, just hanging out playing. I mean, it 128 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: seems silly, but you know, there's a lot of time 129 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: in between classes in high school, and so one of 130 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: the guys just like, you know, saying stupid stuff like 131 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: we're sitting there playing, you know, I mean my friends 132 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like it's spelling things out and somebody 133 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: in the class that, oh, that thing is stupid. You know. 134 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: You know, I dare you to do something or something, 135 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: and I am not kidding you. All the lights went 136 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: out in the high school, all of them, and we all, 137 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: you know, shrieked like whoa, whoa. And he's like, I'm sorry, 138 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: I take it back. I take it back. He's like, 139 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: what's your what's your name? Dude, I'm sorry, And it's 140 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: spelled a name that none of us were familiar with. 141 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: But I know now Beazel bub Yeah. Anybody anybody raise 142 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: your hand if you know that name that that's a demon? Okay, 143 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: really bad one. Um yeah, it's like wow, okay, sorry, dude, apologize. 144 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: You know, I was like I was free, I was 145 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: a bit freaked. I'm like, huts, it's interesting. I grew 146 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: up in a haunted house. You guys gotta understand. Grew 147 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 1: up in a haunted house. And for me and my siblings, 148 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: a movie wasn't a movie unless it was a horror 149 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: movie because it's like therapeutic. So this was like almost 150 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: a therapeutic thing, like, you know, wow, weird things can happen. 151 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: I'm not the only one. We're not the only family 152 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: like I have. These things happened. I mean, it was 153 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: like all kind of a uh, you know, trying to 154 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: find some normalcy. I guess, like this just can't be, 155 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, just us. So So anyways, yeah, so I 156 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: guess I was like, well, I've seen worse at my house. 157 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. Um So anyways, I'll tell 158 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: you this is this is crazy. It's a crazy story. 159 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: So myself and my younger sister were playing with it, 160 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: and I'll never forget what it kind of went off 161 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: the edge of the board and it raised itself up 162 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: and came back on the board. I'm like, whoa did 163 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: you see that? Like it should have got caught, like 164 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: I should have had to take in my finger and 165 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: lifted it put it back on. Know it did it 166 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: by itself, okay. Um. And then this one day we're 167 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: playing with it and we're watching TV at the same time, 168 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: and I'm writing down the letters as they come up 169 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: and not really paying attention, and my sister is like, 170 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, during the commercial, pikes, so let's just say 171 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I got all these scattered letters and 172 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, it doesn't it doesn't spell anything. I don't 173 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: say anything here. And she's like, well, all right, you know, 174 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: and like put her attention back to the TV. And 175 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: I don't know, guys, I don't know why, but I 176 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: kind of leaned back up my chair and I'm looking 177 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: at this scattered lettering. I'm like, what this doesn't And 178 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: then I decided to cross out every other letter and 179 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: it spelled something. It's spelled twisting hair. I'm like, twisting hair. What? 180 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: And I am looking down. I look at my sister. 181 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: I get goose bumps right now. Let me thinking about it. 182 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: She's got her back to me, you know, her head, 183 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: and she's got one hand on the board on the 184 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: planchet and she's twisting her hair. And I said, I'm 185 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: like almost like preventilating I'm going look, look, look it 186 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: spelled its spelled something. She's like, what what what? I'm 187 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: like twisting hair. She's got her finger stuck in her 188 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: in her in her hair, she's twisting. And then the 189 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: board spelled something really quick, stop it. It's like we turned. 190 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: We're like, who is this? It's like your mom. I mean, 191 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: we just froze. We're like, mom, Mom, is this you is? 192 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: It's really you? You know, We're like, oh my gosh, 193 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: oh my gosh. You know, we got so much to 194 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: tell you. And then my sister would always twist her 195 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: hair into knots where my mother had to cut her 196 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: hair out because she would make such nods. So she 197 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: was telling her to stop it, and our mom did 198 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: not engage to have a conversation. No, no, no, She's like, 199 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: this thing. I've only come to tell you. This thing 200 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: is evil. You need to stop up now. Do not 201 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 1: break it, do not burn it. Separate this little moving 202 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: piece with the board and throw it out. Now. I 203 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: love you both. I have to go. And it just 204 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: went goodbye. I mean we just bald, you know. I 205 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: was like, oh my goodness. I had lost my mother 206 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: when I was seven years old, and here I was 207 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,439 Speaker 1: a teenager in high school and just like wow, just 208 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: blew my mind. So um, I had some evil things 209 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: come on that board. But my mother came through after 210 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: all that time to say get rid of it. I 211 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: tell you, I picked it right up, put into carriage bag, 212 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: separated the planchet just as she said, and I was 213 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: done until later and other people had a board. I'm like, 214 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: oh gosh, why, But that's another story. But you know, 215 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: just to put that warning out there, guys, do not 216 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: mass with them because you just do not know what 217 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: will come through your mom or Basil bo the horrible. 218 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: All right, you guys, we're in for a treat. We 219 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: have Jessie Marcel coming up after the break. You are 220 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heinie Hollis, I 221 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: Heart Radio at Coast to Coast they am paranormal podcast network. 222 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: Checker Rocks would be right welcome back. You are listening 223 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the 224 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: high Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a am paranormal 225 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: podcast network. As promise, I have a fabulous guest, Jessie Marcel, 226 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: who was a successful inventor, published author, and public speaker, 227 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: A guiding love of the unknown can be traced back 228 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: to an unconventional childhood where space travel and the possibility 229 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: of extrasolar life, where bedtime stories being His grandfather was 230 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel Jesse Marcel. He was the lead investigator into 231 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: the crash of what he thought was a UFO in 232 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: the deserts of Roswell, New Mexico, in n Jesse Marcel's 233 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: visionary approach to the future is being applied currently to 234 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: aerospace and medical technologies like his current projects Alien Alora, 235 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: dot Com, Airborne Motor Works. He is the Chief Design 236 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: Officer and Halo Cybernetics, the CEO and director and Abstract 237 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: Site Production. So I'd like to welcome Jesse Marcel to 238 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: the program. How are you doing there, Jesse, Oh, I'm fantastic. 239 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: Just another day in paradise from Washington State. A little 240 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: looking out there, went O's a little gray, but it's warm. Well, 241 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you have been somebody I've spoken to several 242 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: times over the years, and uh the record, you are 243 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: Jesse Marcel the third. I mean, your family name just 244 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: keeps growing, and uh, it's it's interesting, you know. I 245 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: was just talking to you just before we were recording 246 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: and and I'm like, don't tell me there's a jesting 247 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: arself the forth Like no, it's like I didn't do 248 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: that too. I'm like, okay, that's okay. It's super confusing, 249 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: it would yes, so tell us you know your background, Um, 250 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: you know it's so rich, but you are always venturing 251 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: into different areas and uh, I'd love for people to 252 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: catch up to what what do this that droup to 253 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: these days when I when I talk about this or 254 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: or you know, the sort of thing, it's like, I 255 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: think that being part of that original family that was 256 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a us so deeply involved in 257 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: Roswell and that kind of thing and the public or 258 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: the talk around the dinner table and that kind of 259 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: thing left me with a very interesting perspective of the 260 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: world around us. And that is basically that you know, 261 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: it's all open. There are no you know, there's no boundaries. 262 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: It can't be explored, um and and not not to 263 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: you don't have to really go with the common you know, 264 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: the common denominator though, well rousal was this? Well rousal 265 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: was that you know obviously from where I said, I've 266 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: heard it all, you know, in many variations some are 267 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: very far fetched, some are really close, some are obviously 268 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: um you know right on um. So it gave me 269 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: a perspective on on everything. And as such, I opened 270 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: myself up through my education, through through through college and 271 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Um. I explored a bunch of 272 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: different areas aerospace, ended up by getting involved in statistics sharing. 273 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: I was kind of interested in kind of a philosophical sense, um. 274 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: But all of those led me down to where I'm 275 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: at today, and that's where most of my life on 276 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: an hourly basis is spent really you know, inventing, which 277 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: almost sounds cliche, but I do. I come up with 278 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: the concept, then a prototype, then I do a patent, 279 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: and then I released into a chain of one or 280 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: two different companies and then they go and take off 281 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: with it. So that's my daily life. That's why I do. 282 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: For the most part, I still have. I've still it 283 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: really involved in Roswell, I had. I was given a 284 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: wonderful opportunity this past year to be part of a ceremony, 285 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: a ceremony, excuse me, in Roswell, where I was given 286 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: the little speech when my grandfather was given given a 287 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: star so to speak on their walk of fame. Um 288 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: hit him in Stanton Friedman and his daughters were there. 289 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: It was a really wonderful experience. So again like I 290 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,199 Speaker 1: couldn't have been happy with that. Wow, that's real. That 291 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: is really cool. It did a great job. But that 292 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: sounds like have you been accused of or I don't know, 293 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: hypothesized that. Well, you're so smart, because obviously aliens must 294 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: have had something to do with you and your family. 295 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: I mean, and that's you have these interests and abilities 296 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: that you do. When I started out, what I did is, 297 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,479 Speaker 1: you know, as a kid, it was kind of like 298 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, a flying car, etcetera. And there's there's the 299 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk to even some companies out 300 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: there working on really quad copters almost you sit in 301 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: and you know, pray that you don't crash anyway. So 302 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: there's a lot of that kind of thing. But I 303 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: was taking a different respective. I I'm into sports cars, 304 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I used to do a little 305 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: bit of racing and and I took that excitement and 306 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: then I apolo, Okay, what it would it take to 307 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: get when he used to fly, and to get what 308 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: it was to fly there was It wasn't really a 309 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: propulsion system that would work. You can't really use a 310 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: propeller and a motor which people are trying to make work. 311 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: So I so I went there and created this different 312 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: propulsion system and that was kind of the the starting 313 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: of a lot of what I do now. But um, 314 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's just an interesting world when it 315 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: comes to all this stuff, and it's it's exciting. But 316 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: having said that, it's like when I first when some 317 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: of the designs I had for a flying sports car 318 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: um started hitting you know, different Internet and that kind 319 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: of thing, and I was, I can't tell you how 320 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 1: many people you know said I you know who told 321 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: you how to do this? The aliens telling you do 322 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: you gain this? Is this from Roswell? Is based on 323 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: secret formulas, secret information that you gain from Roswell or 324 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: passed down from your dad or grandfather. And my my 325 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: thing was, well, if it was putting my head from aliens, 326 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'll take it. If that's the 327 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: way it is, I have no idea. Um And unfortunately 328 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: this phase of my life happened after my father had 329 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: passed away. But I can't I can't help. But you know, 330 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: he was part of that that driving force to explore, 331 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: to to uh you know, just to to to to 332 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: ponder the those things that other people might not waste 333 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: any time on. So to look at the excitement for 334 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: for Christmas. It's kind of funny. We grew up and 335 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: I built this book I've read behind. It's called The 336 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: American Scientific and it's a it's a book of experiments 337 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: from the fifties and sixties. Most of them would get 338 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: you in trouble if you try to him to day, 339 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: but uh, but in it were just a host of 340 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: experiments that we did growing up. Like one was, you know, 341 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,239 Speaker 1: my dad built an adam smash in our basement. Uh 342 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: we we I and my brother and with his help 343 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: we were we we built rockets, but not the kind 344 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: that you'd buy in a store. We actually went out 345 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: and got the chemicals and built our own engines. And 346 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: there was a whole story behind, you know, my brother 347 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: losing his eyebrows because of it. You know, just all 348 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: we had all kinds of stuff. But so we were 349 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: never quite the typical. You know, if you in the family, 350 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: we just seem like we're you know, we are typical. 351 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: But you know, later on life had dawned on us 352 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: that not everybody talked about alien life and UFOs and 353 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: and and science and and string theory and as casual conversations. Um, 354 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 1: but that's what it was. But it was a very 355 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: it was very interesting. But it was all those things 356 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,239 Speaker 1: that my my father basically put my head growing up. 357 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: All the stuff. And my grandfather too, I was you 358 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 1: talk about. I was very lucky that I was able 359 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: to spend time on a buy you with him with 360 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: a fishing pole. Um, so I got to learn more 361 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: about him. He was. He was a genius in his 362 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: own right. Um. And it's kind of funny. It's like 363 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: I I now have quite a number of patents out 364 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 1: there and that kind of thing on different technologies I'm 365 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: working on, and then my companies and the But my 366 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: grandfather actually had a patent for doing on the back 367 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: of a television like a like some kind of an 368 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: extension doubling. You know, where you could put you could 369 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: you could run a chord into it, run that chord 370 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: into with something else. I I don't really know what 371 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: the whole thing was about them, but I heard a 372 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: little bit about it. But it's interesting because he actually 373 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: was involved in an inventive process. My dad was involved 374 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: in an inventive process. He was he was working deeply 375 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: into silicon solar cells and a very quite a number 376 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: of years ago. And uh, he would have probably received 377 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: some patents from someone's work, but he didn't realize you 378 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: didn't you know, the process for doing it. But so 379 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: that again, that has kind of probe through our family 380 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: through over the years, so since the very beginning. That's scinating. 381 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: And it's even your grandfather, that's that's really cool because 382 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: I mean here he was in the military. My father 383 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: was also he worked for NORAD and he invented things, 384 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: but it went under the guys of the military. However, 385 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's unsung heroes. I think, well, 386 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: it's like my grandfather was a TV repair man back 387 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: in the day, way young he got there's he he 388 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: got in trouble because a few pennies you'd get together. 389 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: We're doing whatever. You'd be whatever you could do as 390 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: a small child back in that in that era, to 391 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: get some money, you go and buy components, radio components 392 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: and build radios in a barn. And he was always 393 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: apparently getting in trouble because he was wasting his money 394 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: on this kind of stuff and why are you you know, 395 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: doing any of that kind of stuff. But obviously it's 396 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: it kind of paid off. Yeah my goodness. So yeah, 397 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: not not typical at all, but you know, there's there 398 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: is a pattern with people who are inventors of an 399 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: extreme sort where they say, you know, I wake up 400 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: and I felt like I downloaded this over the night 401 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: or something. It's like I don't know where it's coming from, 402 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: but they almost feel like there is an outer source 403 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: sometimes for some of their way out their ideas and 404 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: how to do it. I mean, do you feel like 405 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: you get a download or you just like visualize and 406 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: it's coming from a deeper place or I mean coming 407 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: from a deeper place. It's it's like sometimes I'll be 408 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: working on something and it'll just be bothering me and 409 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: I can't figure it out. I can't figure it out, 410 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: and I go to sleep and next morning it's like, wow, 411 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,239 Speaker 1: that was obvious, and then I can and I can 412 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 1: do it. And that happens over and over again. So 413 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: you know, whether it's coming from like some kind of 414 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: a RESTful subconscious state of some kind, or if it's 415 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: you know, there's all there. There's so many. You know, 416 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: you go out there and and you know was there 417 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: you know with Roswell, what was passed out? Obviously, information, story, folklore, 418 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: all that kind of thing has passed out. What you know, 419 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: my family, hell the stuff was was there actually some 420 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: kind of a transference of some kind? I mean, you know, 421 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 1: who knows. There's nothing to say that happened. There's nothing 422 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: to say it didn't happen. It's kind of like, you know, 423 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: do believe whatever you want, but it's like, I don't know. 424 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: I know that I'm blessed with with a certain clarity 425 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: um that that a lot of that some people don't have. 426 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: And it's somethings, but everybody's like that in some way. 427 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: But some things are are are are simple and clear 428 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: as day, and other people they have no idea how 429 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: that even works. So what you know, whatever it is 430 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: that makes up the human intelligence and all these different 431 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: experiences and the physiology. But you know, I was lucky. 432 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: I think I got I got a good mixture of 433 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: of of a little bit of this, a little bit 434 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: that in my and as we talked before the show, 435 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: was like and my my son is a rock star genius, 436 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: and it's just it's just it's just interesting how that 437 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 1: kind of passes through. I mean, I'm a credible daughter too, 438 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: but I don't want to say that. But he is. 439 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: He's just like he is. He's so far beyond what 440 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: what you know. It's just interesting because I the things 441 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: he does are are like he's he's going he just 442 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: got a scholar have to go to a stem school 443 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: to for ai And I was, I was, I was 444 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: joking with him. I said, you realize you're already working 445 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: far beyond what they're going to educate you with. Is 446 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: he yeah, but you know, let's do it. It's it's true, 447 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: it is it's it's like, it's like he's and I 448 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: put him in the same class as my father. My 449 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: father was an absolute genius. I had geniuses tell me 450 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: how my dad was an absolute genius who is always 451 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: a nice team here and I'll say that that, I'll 452 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: say that my son is not same. Well, anywhere we're 453 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: gonna get to the next break, you know we're gonna do. 454 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: We're just some cheek swabs in the whole family. See 455 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: how alien you guys are. Alight? All right, you guys, 456 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: you're listening to Dark becomes Light with me, Heidi Hollis 457 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a 458 00:25:41,920 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: am para Normal's podcast network. A welcome back. You are 459 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: listening to Darker Comes Light with me Idy Hollis on 460 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio Coast to Coast a um para 461 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: normal podcast network. I have Jessie Marcel and wow, I mean, 462 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: if you don't know that name, you should. I mean 463 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: I would say how you wouldn't. Um he is the 464 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: third in the family with the same name. But you 465 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: know the Roswell stuff, I mean, absolutely notorious for it. 466 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: But you've got a big life, Jesse, and you've got 467 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: a lot of brains flown through the family. But you've 468 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: also experienced some super strange things and I would love 469 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: to dive into that, so please do share. You've been 470 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: dealing with the paranormal as well. Huh. I have, and 471 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: it's it's never been uncomfortable, but it's it's an interesting 472 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: thing and it's and it's something I completely believe that 473 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: maybe exactly how it happens. But we were we we 474 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: we lived in a place out of classy, Montana and 475 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: um end up my my dad and by buying a 476 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: house in Helena, Montana and uh, he that the house 477 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: was interesting. It was actually an old It was owned 478 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: by the Catholic Church and it was actually the dorm 479 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: room for the Catholic Church for quite a number of years. 480 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: And we're talking. It was actually it was built in 481 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: the eighteen nineties, so it was an older place, three 482 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: story and matching, huge crystal chandeliers and all this kind 483 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: of stuff. And we moved in. It was always fun, 484 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: it was exciting, and it was it was by some 485 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: silver baron. It was like, there's a lot of history 486 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: from the house. And we move in there and we 487 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: started noticing some odd things, you know, like you know, 488 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: having conversations with somebody and having a painting on the 489 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: wall fly off, just just walk by, boom, sitting in uh, 490 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: just different discussions, hearing odd noises and footsteps and and 491 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: and have you. Um. And you know, as kids were 492 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: kind of like, well, let's have a seance and see 493 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: what happened. So I had some very close friends and 494 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: brother and sister were you guys. It sounds like a 495 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: setup from the beginning with the with the church having 496 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: owned it crystal three floors eight nineties, and then you 497 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: guys pushed out with the seance I'm like, I'm surprised 498 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: you're not possessed right now, but okay, I just couldn't 499 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: hold it anymore, like this is a set up. Of 500 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: course he was going to be haunted. But now, okay, Jesse, sure, 501 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: let's let's hear this well that the house was owned 502 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: by the Tatum that you know back and that they 503 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: had it built. And this is Tatum died by she 504 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: was hit and run over by a carriage in front 505 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: of the house. And this is like the very if 506 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm right, for the very early nine hundreds, and so 507 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: there was a precedence that somebody passed away in the 508 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: area of the house anyway, But back to it, so 509 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: we're a lot of strange things happening. You know, maybe 510 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: they could be explained away, and maybe they couldn't. And 511 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: we were we were in and uh in our in 512 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: our one of the there's like three Foundli was on 513 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: the first floor and we're in there talking and I 514 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: think we're referenced I lost my my mother the young age, 515 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: and we wanted, uh, you know, it's kind of like 516 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: a Sunds kind of like is anybody listening whatever? And 517 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: then all at once, every one of the you know, 518 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: the around the windows. Everything flew up in that kind 519 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: of thing, just like it was like what the heck. 520 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: And it wasn't like it was scary, but it was like, 521 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how I explain this one away. Um, 522 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: So there was that kind of thing. And and I 523 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: remember there was one when when when a very good 524 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: friend of mine sgain you can't have a very close 525 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: friend of mine. And Troy Berry and all these people 526 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: are all good friends of mine, high school friends, and 527 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: we're all we we got some movies to come back, 528 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: and everybody's crashed out the house. We're all on the 529 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: second floor, and so I go turn off all the lights. 530 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: All lights run up prop on the third floor, which 531 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: is the ballroom, and all kinds of things, really interesting place. 532 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: And so I turn all the lights off, and you know, 533 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: do the usual place, brush my teeth whatever, and I 534 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: go down. And and then then also you can just bang, 535 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: bang bang upstairs, you know, very loud, you know, no 536 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: no question, there's a lot a lot of noise and 537 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: stuff going on above us. So I I leave my 538 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: bedroom and I go out, and I look upstairs, and 539 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: all lighter back on again. So I actually go in 540 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: and I wake up my dad, and I said, you know, 541 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: I think somebody's now because there was a third story, 542 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: like this little tiny perch up there that you could 543 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: get on and get into the house. You know, it 544 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: would be very difficult to get to, but I figured 545 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: that's what happened, and and I woke him up, and 546 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: he was and he was like, no, no, no, you're 547 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: just hearing blah bah blah bla like oh, okay, they 548 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: heard it too, And so he went upstairs and and 549 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: looked around, and he came back and says, there is 550 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: nothing up there, and turned the lights back off, and everybody, 551 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: everybody laid down again across around, like, you know, staring 552 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: at the ceiling. At this point, it was enough that 553 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: you know there's something really to this. And then there's 554 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: a lot more stories that I'm kind of I'm touching 555 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: the fringes of it. And we had a friend who's 556 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: my good friend of my dad. He was a very 557 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: tough military sergeant. Um. Not an incredibly nice guy, but 558 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, just tough. And they said, well, I'm going 559 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: to stay up there. You know, I've heard about this stuff, 560 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: you guys talking. I'm gonna stay up there. The next morning, 561 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: he comes down Sarah's and says, nobody stay the night 562 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: up there. Ever, don't do it. And and he was 563 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: like with out question there was not it is is 564 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: that you do not do that. You do not go 565 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: up there and and spend the night. And that's all 566 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: I know about it. Whether it was just kind of 567 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: playing with it or not, but he seemed pretty bit 568 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: serious about it. And so so we grew up with 569 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: that in the house. And there was there was other 570 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: things like I had a couple of of half sisters 571 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,479 Speaker 1: my father read married a wonderful one and in their 572 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: room and in my you know, like there one and 573 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: two or two and three years old, that kind of thing. 574 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: And they came and then and then one morning they said, yeah, 575 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: what one of one of my one of them had 576 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: had some problems, she had some night terrors, that kind 577 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: of stuff. And Mrs Potatum as they called her, you know, 578 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: because actually Mrs Tatum, but they're a little little little kids, 579 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: they call her Miss Potatum, was there and she consold 580 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: them so they they are as little as little girls, 581 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: had no problems with it at all. In fact, she 582 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: was a positive presidents presence. She helped calm down and 583 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: do all these things. So that so again we had 584 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: no there was no We just you know, kind of 585 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: we shared the house with this whatever it was, and 586 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: that was it, and it wasn't you know. We always 587 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: thought it was interesting. And I think my sister Denise 588 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: found this out from the front row. You can look 589 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: up from the road that run in front of the house. 590 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: You could look up on the third story and there's 591 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: this little window. And we realized that there is no 592 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: room behind that window. And it turns out there's a 593 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: little there was a room behind this window, but it 594 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: was completely it was completely covered over. So it was 595 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: always one of those mysteries like should we go up 596 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: the chainsaw and get to it? But he never did. 597 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean it was interesting and I 598 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: like I said, I I I have no you know, 599 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: being that close to it, there was there's something to it, 600 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: you know, and you know, like, okay, I think about science. 601 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: What does that mean? You know, is there as souls 602 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: or ghosts? Is there is there? You know, move one 603 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: step out of more of the fringe and into the 604 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: idea like well, you know maybe you know that you 605 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: know I thought is that you know, there's different different 606 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: you know, multiverse. I do believe in that. My father 607 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: always talked about how you know, if you looked at 608 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: an electronic as a universe, there's an infinite number of 609 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: universes larger than you, an infinite number of smaller you. 610 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: Just it's like a mirror um and that maybe there's 611 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: a crossover between you know, different universes and for some reason, 612 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: for a moment, there's there's like a connection or something 613 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: like that. But you know who, no ray knows what 614 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: it was. But all I know is with that house, 615 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: there was something going on. And I've never been in 616 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: another house there was anything like it, you know. And 617 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm not about to hurt the value of it from 618 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: people on it now, but it was definitely strange. Well, 619 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: it's fascinating well with your mind and uh, you know, 620 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: and you're understanding this connection between all these different things 621 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: like there there's obviously something going on in this world 622 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: that allows us to know that there's aliens, there's other presences, 623 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: and and there's interdimensionals. But I have it under good 624 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: authority and understanding that even our government of course has 625 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: that understanding. And they have and I'm going to suggest 626 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: you maybe try this once and and and something for 627 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: all of us to use, like a super advanced e 628 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: v P like electronic phenomenon type of machine that the 629 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: government uses to listen to all of the in betweens, 630 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: like they will go to a location with these certain 631 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: machines and listen. So I bet you and your genius 632 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: children could really come up with the NEATST thing. So 633 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm planning that seed and I'm taking credit for it 634 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: and let me know how it goes. That is an 635 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: interesting I've never thought about it, but I have about 636 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: three and three ideas coming in my mind right now 637 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: how to do something like that. So I'll definitely explore 638 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: that and share whatever. Right I I do tend to 639 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: look at things a little bit differently for whatever reason, 640 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, but just crazy. But I 641 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: would really, I'd be all about it because if it 642 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: I know somebody that's that's created some things along those lines. 643 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: But you know, it's like there's always limitations, but every 644 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: new one he makes it's a little bit better. But 645 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 1: you know you're into all this type of thing, I mean, 646 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: so why not I want to see what you could 647 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: come up with. Make it purple, please, Like, Okay, I'm 648 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: all right down right now, it has to be purple. 649 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: I have somebody else wanted me to build a flying 650 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: car with feathers on it, so why not feathers? Even yeah, 651 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: I swear it's like, you know, when I heard that 652 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: they were doing that, like so they know who else 653 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: could make a better, you know, type of listening device. 654 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: But the government with all with no limits with their budget. 655 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: But you've got the mind of no, how so hey, 656 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: I'm I can't wait. I can't wait. What thing that happened? 657 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: I don't think it's out of the out of the 658 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: box for me to say it, but we I do 659 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: have some patents around some interesting propulsion systems, and the 660 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: government stepped in actually, and I had to sign releases 661 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: saying that I did not I did not work for 662 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: NASA or the Department of Energy or a couple other institutions. 663 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: So it was interesting. That's not supposed to happen, but 664 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: they're there. They basically froze it. I signed some paperwork 665 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: and then they released it. But it was interesting for 666 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: one thing, you know, as far as big brother but 667 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call our government, is that you know, 668 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: you think that you're these patents go into a dark 669 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: box and it's it's this and you're protected. It's like, 670 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's people are people are watching that 671 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: stuff carefully within within our government anyway, just because there's 672 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: no way they would have known what was in some 673 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: of these patents unless they're reading them. So it is interesting. 674 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: It's not there's nothing that spectacular that I really care 675 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: that they're reading them. It's just you know, protection and 676 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: company stuff. But but it was interesting, and I was 677 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: kind of given this that it was actually kind of 678 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: where there's a badge of honor because that is not 679 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: what happens, and he's really have something. I'm thinking, oh good, 680 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: that's good. So anyway, so yeah, it's like on again, 681 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: off again. But um, but no, that's there is there is, 682 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: and I it's you know, in this whole thing. I was. 683 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 1: I was very lucky. I met the best woman. You know, 684 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: I've been married now for oh gosh, why do I 685 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: have to say how long? A long time? And and 686 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: and and she did she she she was she she 687 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: um believe in some of this stuff, that paranormal, the 688 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 1: you know, the all all that and you know that thing. 689 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,280 Speaker 1: And then and then she got married into the Roswell story. 690 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: And now she's as big a part of it as 691 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: anybody else's Patricia. But she didn't off the house. This 692 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: is awesome. No, she didn't. She didn't run screaming away, 693 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: which he probably should have, but she didn't. But it's 694 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: all it's so it's yeah, so it's it's it's it's 695 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: truly a family thing, and it's and and and it's it's. 696 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: I always try to tell people because they my sister 697 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: takes a different, different look at it. But my grandfather 698 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: was actually very very amazed at you know, all the people, 699 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: and he happened to be that one. It was the 700 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: right place at the right time, So I think that 701 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: had the right steps to make something up it. So yeah, 702 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it was burdensome in a lot of 703 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: ways to him, you know, back to Roswell, but at 704 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: the end of the day, he thought he was lucky. 705 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: So so it is so because some people say, oh, 706 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: there isn't horrible. Yeah, I'm sure there was parts, and 707 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: there was parts you know that some score your crew. 708 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: But but at the end of the last days of 709 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: life by I think that that's the kind of stuff 710 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: that I hang my head on us. And he was 711 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: very problem that's awesome. Well, we gotta get to our 712 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: next break. You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes 713 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,360 Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 714 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast am para normal podcast Network. Welcome back. 715 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 716 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 717 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: a m para normal podcast network. So Jesse, my goodness, 718 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,160 Speaker 1: you have so much and so many wild understandings that 719 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: I have just find amazing. But you're also involved in 720 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: certain kind of artifact. Can you tell us a little 721 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: bit about that? Yeah, if I can give a broad 722 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: story to start out with, I've been contacted by various 723 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: governments around the world because they have crash sites of 724 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: a questionable forgins I guess the right word, and I've 725 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: been asked to compare and contrast the debris they have 726 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,719 Speaker 1: from whatever it was to what I understand that the 727 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: roswell stuff was. You know, that wasn't the material wasn't 728 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 1: like this or was like that. It's always been of interest, 729 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: and I've had some great conversations and a lot of 730 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: times with their version of their air force, that kind 731 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 1: of thing that does this, but but I've never actually 732 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: gone out like once in Argentina. I didn't go down there, 733 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: but I I really should. You know, there's all these 734 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: different things coming on TV now about finding ancient artifacts. 735 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: Ebers was ancient Aliens and uh in. One of those 736 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: people was Philip Coppins. He was in the very beginning 737 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: he had I did a documentary together a while ago 738 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: and before he passed unfortunately, um I spent about decade now, 739 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: so I've been kind of on the fringe of all 740 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 1: of that about getting down and he's he's an Egyptologist. 741 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: He was, you know, all these things and studied the 742 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: actuality that you know, old old ancient um ruins, that 743 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,799 Speaker 1: kind of thing, and I've i've I've never really been 744 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: involved in that, you know. Really I started with Roswell 745 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: and people told me about their stories. That was about 746 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: it recently in the last year anyway, So people got 747 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: hold of me, and you know, that led to some 748 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: interesting conversations and I'm told they have these ancient artifacts 749 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, that sounds interesting, but 750 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,280 Speaker 1: I was I was a little bit uh you know, hesitant, 751 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: and said, yeah, you know, I know there's lots of 752 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: stuff out there, you know, and unfortunately there's a lot 753 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: of you know, there's obviously a lot of figs and 754 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. It's like, it's like and I'm 755 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: my life is a crazy busy right now, and it 756 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: just kind of came down. It's like, well, no, we 757 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: this is real. And at first I was a little 758 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: bit on the edge. But the more I got to 759 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: talk to the people that directly involved in it, I 760 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,720 Speaker 1: realized there weren't you know, new UFO people. They weren't 761 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: you know, they weren't that there. They were just regular 762 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: people that had an experience and it happened to be 763 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: kind of like my grandfather, the right place at the 764 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: right time. Anyway, this um so you can you know, 765 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: They said, can we send you pictures? I said, yeah, 766 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: you can't, I said, you know, unfortunately, that doesn't mean 767 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 1: a whole lot anymore. I mean, I can you can 768 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: send pictures and and and they have a lot of 769 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,360 Speaker 1: legal paper prinds. That's you know, that's fine, But I 770 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: really don't know what I can do other than say 771 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: that looks amazing to me. They were willing to put 772 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: their reputations on the line and actually sent me some 773 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: sent me a piece and they're gonna send me some 774 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: more pieces to be investigated, UM and that and that's 775 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,520 Speaker 1: all for age. UM. You know, there's there's a quite 776 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: a number different test for doing on them. It's really 777 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,839 Speaker 1: turned out to be quite interesting. The more I talked 778 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,919 Speaker 1: to him, the more I realized the story from them 779 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 1: is is that as far as where these came from, 780 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 1: it makes sense. And if you actually look at the objects, 781 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: it's it's it's I mean, they're tens of thousands of 782 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 1: years old and they definitely have an influence from you know, 783 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 1: our our alien brethren, um, and how they looked at them. 784 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,719 Speaker 1: So it's not And now it's just a matter of 785 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: me of going through I I need. I'm going through 786 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 1: and getting them on the very very beginning of this. 787 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,319 Speaker 1: I have some some partners in it. They're wonderful I wanted. 788 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: His name is Dan Hallie, and I work with him 789 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 1: on He's he's actually he's a homicide detective and he's 790 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: bringing his forensic expertise into the picture about how to 791 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: how to get this and took a very signed hypic 792 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: and very carefully measured way to to look at this. 793 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,840 Speaker 1: So if it is real, we want to be without 794 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: question that's real versus if it's faith, lots a little 795 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 1: easier to approve. If that was the case, interesting you 796 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: call it alien brethren, but could it be lost technology potentially? 797 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 1: I mean, well, this, this, this, these are old jade pieces, 798 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: um that are that in my opinion, they have been 799 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: carved by some civilization that have that that definitely they 800 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: see aliens the same way we do. Um. So, so 801 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: it's it's not so much you know, I kind of 802 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: look at it as as that they crossed their beliefs 803 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: with their sky gods, you know, rain gods, and they 804 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: intermixed those with alien symbology that kind of thing. So 805 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: it's there's definitely a mixture there. And if it's you know, 806 00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 1: anything more than a thousand years old less, long before 807 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: anybody you know talked about you know so much, you know, 808 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: way you talked about a graze or you know, any 809 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,439 Speaker 1: of these kind of whatever people want to call them. 810 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,520 Speaker 1: But it's it's definitely has an influence that has the history. 811 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: If for instance, that this is a fake, it's it's 812 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: it's interesting because it brings in it has from the 813 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: right time frame for where the images came from from 814 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: their carvings on it that kind of thing. And I'm 815 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 1: told that they're into the thousands of these. So so 816 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a it's a it's very interesting. 817 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:25,400 Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, so far I have nothing. 818 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have really proof either way, but 819 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 1: I've definitely slanted the word. This looks very interesting. And 820 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: at the very least, it was done long before we 821 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: had the pyramids, the different pyramids, you know, those kind 822 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: of things, And you look at it that way, and 823 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: it's kind of like you kind of go through this 824 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: in your mind because you know, I did talk to 825 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: the people and I found out it's kind of a 826 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,880 Speaker 1: hot topic among archaeologists, and it's and it's more like 827 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 1: out to say that you're you're just crazy. It's like 828 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: that can't be you know, my research shows that couldn't 829 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 1: have happened, so therefore it didn't happen. And or on 830 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: the flip side of that, well, you know, hey, you're nobody. 831 00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: How how in the world did you end up with 832 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: this in your lap when I should be the one 833 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: doing this, you know those kind of things. I get 834 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,320 Speaker 1: this kind of stuff like, oh whatever, um, but for 835 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: my limited scope, and I'm not an archaeologist. I have 836 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: no education, and that for my my limited knowledge of it. 837 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: And then and is that it looks very interesting. A 838 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 1: couple of people that have held and touched it they 839 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,280 Speaker 1: feel the same way. And so we're looking, we're building 840 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: a team around it, and and uh and getting the 841 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: right you know, it's a slower path that we're getting 842 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: the right people, because I want to if if this 843 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: is real, it's it's like ancient aliens on steroids, because 844 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: it's it's not just it's not just it's not just 845 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,359 Speaker 1: talking and you know, and and photographs and this it's 846 00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 1: actually hands on, you know, it's it's actually here. Pick 847 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,640 Speaker 1: it up, you know, what do you So there's all 848 00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 1: kinds of very interesting things about it. I mean, it's 849 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: it's actually it's it's incredibly fascinating and and and and 850 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,839 Speaker 1: just just a sheer size of half the debris there 851 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,239 Speaker 1: are they are the artifacts where we want to call them. 852 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,080 Speaker 1: I'm some of them are thousands of pounds, you know, 853 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 1: I'm I'm told so I'm actually personally seen them. But 854 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: there are thousands of pounds like and what I have, 855 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 1: I mean, they're not small even like it's not like 856 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: a little something dangles on the end of a necklace. No, 857 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 1: this is the biggest a suitcase. I'm so so it is. 858 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: It's very interesting. I'm being very careful because I want 859 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 1: to go. I want to get I want to do 860 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,439 Speaker 1: it the right way. We're doing all the science behind 861 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,880 Speaker 1: all the forensics, like the the glue that holds certain 862 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 1: stones on. You know, as it turnout it was it 863 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,440 Speaker 1: was something that was created twenty years ago or is 864 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: it something that was actually used back you know that 865 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,880 Speaker 1: we or you know what's holding the thing together. You 866 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,720 Speaker 1: know those kind of things. There's lots of interesting stones 867 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,399 Speaker 1: in it um and just those kind of things as 868 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: parts of it UM. So yeah, it's just going through 869 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: that whole thing, trying not to get I hate to 870 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: say it's I'm trying not to get too excited about it, 871 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: which I'm having a hard time and not getting really 872 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 1: excited about it. But it's it's very you know, I 873 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: need to get to the point where I'm it's like 874 00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 1: it's irrefutable forensic science behind it that had been refuted 875 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: by opinion, because right now it's all opinion. And then 876 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 1: and go to those next steps. The idea. What these 877 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: folks want is they want it brought to the world. 878 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,360 Speaker 1: They want it. They want to let everybody know that 879 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,080 Speaker 1: that we were working with some kind of ancient aliens 880 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 1: civilizations tens of thousands of years ago. They're sending this 881 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 1: stuff to me. They're doing it all. You know, they're 882 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,399 Speaker 1: they're they're going well beyond putting a lot of trust 883 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,120 Speaker 1: to me with this stuff. And and so far everything 884 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: they've done has come out to be you know, as 885 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 1: far as their interaction with me and what what they've said, 886 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 1: they're going to do what they do, um and so 887 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 1: it's it's it's very inspiring. It's like, you know, if 888 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,600 Speaker 1: it was set up as being something that wasn't true, 889 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: they would have done what they've done. So it leads 890 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: me to believe at least one thing is what they 891 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,840 Speaker 1: believe of what they have is what they're saying, and 892 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: it has been tested before, so it's not the first 893 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 1: time around either. So it's intriguing. And uh, we're gonna 894 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: get all all of science going and that kind of 895 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 1: thing and that. And I said, it's it's fascinating to 896 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,360 Speaker 1: be hands on because you know, you see stuff in 897 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 1: books and stuff, but actually to have it to hold 898 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: your hands is a different experience. Uh so it might 899 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:10,280 Speaker 1: move people out of this more doubtful, questionable sense into 900 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: this other reality of like it's here already, and you know, 901 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: I can't help but to think that that's part of 902 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,080 Speaker 1: the reason why our government finally decided to shed a 903 00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 1: little bit of light on these topics, because people are 904 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: coming forward with some interesting things, and uh, you know, 905 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: we've had things for a long time. I mean, but 906 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,239 Speaker 1: I love that you carrying that same family name, are 907 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 1: bringing us out of the nineteen forties, uh ufo debate 908 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,960 Speaker 1: into it's in my hands people, you know, and I'm 909 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: testing it and I've got to know how to do it. 910 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,319 Speaker 1: I love it so wow. So I mean, what do 911 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: you think about this thought when when people say, you know, 912 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 1: our our ancient ancestors, like we're all Atlanteans and we 913 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 1: learned these things before, and we're kind of talking to 914 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,320 Speaker 1: our higher selves, like you kind of get these downloads 915 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 1: of these you know, how to do things, how to 916 00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,480 Speaker 1: how to invent certain things. I mean, are these are 917 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 1: our ancient selves that are you know, kind of sending 918 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 1: us a message through time. It's kind of kind of 919 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: wild and out there, But I sometimes wonder about the 920 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,399 Speaker 1: truth of that. It's one of those things that that 921 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,279 Speaker 1: you would be if you said absolutely either way, then 922 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,920 Speaker 1: I would you know that that would be right, and 923 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,799 Speaker 1: saying that's not true would be a mistake as well, 924 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 1: because you know the same thing, you know, where we 925 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 1: came from our ore down to the level of where 926 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 1: our our genetic imprinting is our DNA, and that kind 927 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,360 Speaker 1: of thing. Things are definitely passed from you know, passed 928 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 1: from lifetime to lifetime, experience to experience. You know, we 929 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,000 Speaker 1: all came out of stars of the chemicals and make 930 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: up us and our our our planets and are our 931 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 1: existence and our understanding existence. And to say that there 932 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,640 Speaker 1: isn't a connection, how can there not be? There has 933 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 1: to be, you know, even in the simplest sense of 934 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: how my dad like tomatoes and for some reason I 935 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 1: like tomatoes, you know, is that it just you know, 936 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 1: take that out a thousand times. So so I'm thinking 937 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 1: that that we're not influenced by other things that are 938 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:11,960 Speaker 1: beyond our comprehension. We've got to get ourselves running. Can 939 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,400 Speaker 1: you throw outlee how people can get a hold of 940 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 1: you or your books? Do you want to get through 941 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,959 Speaker 1: I work with a company called Alien Lure dot com. 942 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 1: We have a little a little website up and we 943 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,359 Speaker 1: have you know, books and and we did an anniversary 944 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 1: coin for Roswell, which is kind of fun to do, 945 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:27,920 Speaker 1: and so we have some stuff on there and it 946 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: has contact information. Awesome. Thank you so much for coming 947 00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: on the show today, Jessie Marcelis is great. Thank you 948 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,280 Speaker 1: well everybody, we have come to the bottom of another 949 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,799 Speaker 1: fabulous program. I hope you enjoyed yourself. Don't forget to 950 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,160 Speaker 1: go to Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot 951 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,799 Speaker 1: com and tell me your stories, tell me what's on 952 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: your mind, and follow me on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook at 953 00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: one Heidi Hollie TikTok same Okay, just put a one 954 00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,359 Speaker 1: in front of my name and reach out somebody. What's 955 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,359 Speaker 1: going on out there? Do not be shy. Give me 956 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: all your details. If you do, send me a messenger. 957 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,360 Speaker 1: If you do, write me through my website, and also 958 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 1: go to the Outlanders Comic dot com and follow me 959 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: at the Outlanders Comic on Instagram. A paranormal comic strip 960 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:22,160 Speaker 1: that has all your favorites big foot like monsters, shadow people, aliens, hanno, 961 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: you know the drill well, you know what I have 962 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: to say. I had a blast today and I learned 963 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: so much. I hope to see you guys here next 964 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 1: Friday as usual. All right, you have been listening to 965 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,879 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Life with me Heidi Hollis on I Heart 966 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast, a AM paranormal podcast network. 967 00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:57,719 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Stay safe, everybody, goodbye. Well, 968 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,719 Speaker 1: if you liked this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait 969 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,319 Speaker 1: till you hear the next one. You've been listening to 970 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:07,600 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal podcast Network. 971 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:10,759 Speaker 1: H