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Speaker 2: You asked him once about his twenties.

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Speaker 3: To shut you down, Hey, will you get the vision?

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Speaker 4: Who's told you the fuck up loud Thomas, because I mean,

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Speaker 2: I can't have them.

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Speaker 4: But you always complain when we don't have intros.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I don't want to be in the intro. I

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Speaker 2: Be in the intros, a segment like pregame, proving like

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Speaker 3: What they actually feel.

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Speaker 4: That's why we.

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Speaker 1: Created this century to be a foundation of real talk

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Speaker 2: But it is kind of like what men do, and

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Speaker 2: that's what we're going to do today. UFC two eighty five.

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Speaker 4: Baby on Saturday March fourth, the T Mobile Arena and

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Speaker 4: well typically Paradise, Lost of Parts, Nevada, Paradise, Fuck.

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Speaker 4: I'll say one more time, I don't say shown too

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Speaker 4: on Saturday, March fourth in Las Vegas, Nevada. We're also

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Speaker 4: known as Paradise. Maybe maybe the greatest fighter ever returns

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Speaker 4: to maybe just maybe win his second weight class title.

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Speaker 4: And that's a big deal. So we're gonna make it

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Speaker 4: one and talk about it here on the Morning Combat

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Speaker 4: UFC two eighty five pregame preview. That's probably Campbell as

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Speaker 4: always for our pregame guest, the iceman himself, Chuck Mindon

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Speaker 4: Hall and I'm looking for the iceman.

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Speaker 3: Gentlemen, how are we? What are we drinking today for

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Speaker 3: the pregame preview?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have anything yet, but I believe we're

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Speaker 2: Nectar known as Tiger thing.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty good. I'm not gonna drink. But do

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Speaker 4: you have anything for me? I actually do something? What

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Speaker 4: do you have for me here today?

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Speaker 5: Check this out?

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, watermelon with mint vapelling in midvape.

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Speaker 4: What have you been doing with your fist? It looks

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Speaker 4: like you're in like a bar fight. Identify as fist.

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Speaker 4: What's going on here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's been dragging. Those knuckles have been dragging for

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Speaker 4: The King's you know, the God's knuckles drag when the

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Speaker 4: when they know something?

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Speaker 5: Wait, why did you say it was paradise?

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Speaker 4: Is it actually it actually is called paradise that particular

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Speaker 4: portion of the it's very weird prize mobile.

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Speaker 5: Isn't that right there on the strip?

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Speaker 3: Paradise? Yeah, that part is supposed to be paradise?

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Speaker 2: All right, great, David le Ross long look at this?

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Speaker 3: Could Jesus what is that? Wait? Whoa?

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Speaker 3: What is the Persian? Grandfather is all right? Here we go?

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Speaker 2: Oh here, can you put the top back in that?

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Speaker 2: And bang?

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Speaker 3: God can smell the watermelon on this thing.

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Speaker 2: We should toast chuck in our in our coffee mugs.

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Speaker 4: Here, Oh, let's toast together, Alberto, let's toast there.

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Speaker 5: A little stimware.

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Speaker 3: This is good, very not minty, very nice, different raisins

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Speaker 1: But you know it's sweet enough to like like it's manly,

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Speaker 5: You know it is a sweet man. Do you look

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Speaker 3: I just play one on TV a favorite show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Man, like most comedians, I just play one on TV.

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Speaker 1: You know there's only a thousand of us out there.

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Speaker 1: See, hey, we got a big fight card. And it's

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Speaker 1: not just John Jones coming back. He reels you up

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Speaker 2: This alone, this pay per view fight card.

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Speaker 2: Because we have a different we're talking about John. We

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Speaker 3: Trying to get somewhere with this. Where were you good?

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Speaker 3: Where were you going?

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Speaker 5: Real talk? Like mindu, I know where he's going. I'm

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Speaker 4: This is a true story. Paul Craig told you know

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Speaker 4: how Paul Craig paints his face blue. Okay, he's Scottish.

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Speaker 4: Mike Perry suggested it to him.

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Speaker 3: You know, man, I think because we were talking about

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Speaker 3: But there's also something about the passage of time. And

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Speaker 4: No Connor is back, right, but but John being back

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Speaker 4: Curda, you see do you where are you on the

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Speaker 4: idea of the UFC must be like really happy to

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Speaker 4: Something kind of big. Do you feel like the same

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Speaker 1: It's a bigger plus that they lost Francis, but when

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Speaker 1: Is Cyril gone for John Jones in this long awaited

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Speaker 1: Him stepping right back into that even with the time off.

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Speaker 3: I do think that Gone would have been maybe the

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Speaker 2: Central casting style wised.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's why I wanted to see it

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Speaker 2: The goat heavyweight versus the goat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so I mean that that would have

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Speaker 5: That's just how it seems to me.

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Speaker 2: Him into a war when he probably shouldn't have been able.

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Speaker 3: So I think from John Jones's standpoint, he was, you know,

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Speaker 4: You know what, I mean, he's been wanting to come

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Speaker 4: It's just that John's back, like, wait, let's let's let's

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Speaker 3: And then Gone, I mean, Gone was one one round

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Speaker 2: Basically you know, you're a part of the John Jones experience.

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Speaker 1: I'm most excited about to have him back for the

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Speaker 2: Look? John?

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, you know, do I just back myself into a

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Speaker 1: probably fair, but you know, let's hear it. You know,

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Speaker 2: Will probably come back around again pretty quickly. You know,

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Speaker 5: It was great.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I got it, and I got it.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Look, the great ones have a way of defining you know,

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Speaker 2: I look at the romanticism in that major moment, and

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Speaker 1: Now Floyd is a little more perfect in his you know,

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Speaker 1: I want to see if that superpower is still there

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Speaker 1: Three years removed rebuilding his body into a new division, Like,

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Speaker 2: It's in play.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's in play because say what you

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Speaker 1: That dude has all time great follows game plans like intangible.

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Speaker 1: For as bad as some of his key intangibles are

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Speaker 1: I kind of expect him to be exactly who John

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Speaker 3: I wonder when he's making like I didn't I didn't

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Speaker 5: That he's back now.

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Speaker 1: Because it's been drawn out. It's been incredibly drawn out,

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's still it still feels definitely significant, and

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Speaker 4: But he had many here that were five hundred k

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he lived in that era, but he lived.

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Speaker 3: In an air where he like was he the biggest star? No?

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Speaker 4: But he was a consistently delivering one. That's what he

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Speaker 3: He I mean, for a while, I felt like he

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Speaker 2: I celebrated those moments. It would seem during that night week.

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Speaker 3: Yes he did. But I mean, like that's the kind

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Speaker 3: definitely know he's fighting and things like that. I wonder

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Speaker 1: Well does this three years off retrigger the love for

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Speaker 1: at the highest level. He's got two brothers in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Then in general you get my point two brothers I

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Speaker 5: It's one of them gone. Now Arthur's Arthur comes.

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Speaker 1: Like like he's a competitive junction dler still very good much?

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Speaker 3: How much?

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Speaker 2: Luke?

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Speaker 1: I mean you know you've you've Dime Stores psychologized this

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Speaker 5: Do you think so? I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: last push, this is one last let's see what else

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Speaker 2: See, we differ on that completely. We've had this argument.

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Speaker 4: I think he is spiritually reinvigorated. I think the idea

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Speaker 4: can't be any way other than a diminished version of what.

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00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,640
Speaker 3: He's so crazy because this is a tough argument. Anderson's

443
00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,760
Speaker 3: silva for the longest time was always flirting like this

444
00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,359
Speaker 3: could be the end for me, like you might be

445
00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,160
Speaker 3: looking the last It was when he was on top.

446
00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,359
Speaker 3: It was only when he started to lose that you

447
00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,000
Speaker 3: couldn't shake him then at that point, right, like he

448
00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,919
Speaker 3: wanted to keep going and keep going. I don't know

449
00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,920
Speaker 3: John Jones's psychology on this, but he always struck me

450
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,919
Speaker 3: as a guy who needed to be around it, you

451
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,800
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And it'd be interesting to see

452
00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,320
Speaker 3: when he loses, especially if he loses in a very

453
00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,560
Speaker 3: close way or a controversial way, what happens then, you know,

454
00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,600
Speaker 3: because we haven't really seen it, you know what I mean, Like,

455
00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,159
Speaker 3: that's it. He's so I want to be clear with

456
00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:16,639
Speaker 3: some things. I'm not saying he's going to look like

457
00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:17,760
Speaker 3: a garbage version.

458
00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,520
Speaker 4: I don't mean that. In fact, I think it probably win. Well,

459
00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,200
Speaker 4: here's what I'm just trying to say. I've often tried

460
00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,679
Speaker 4: to understand the poor performance relatively speaking, that he had

461
00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,160
Speaker 4: at the end of his last wad, and I've tried

462
00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,240
Speaker 4: to make sense of that. To me, what I think

463
00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,320
Speaker 4: I come down to is that that plus the time off,

464
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,320
Speaker 4: the aging thirty five years old not young, and by

465
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Speaker 4: the way he's been, you know, just all the training,

466
00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,840
Speaker 4: even if he's had intermittent times of a relatively easy lifestyle,

467
00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,440
Speaker 4: and it's still just a lot of wear and tear.

468
00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,840
Speaker 4: If you've been fighting since you were twenty years old

469
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Speaker 4: basically then wrestling prior to.

470
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Speaker 5: That, I.

471
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Speaker 4: Now, I'm now, I'm going to need the people, the

472
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,040
Speaker 4: song as I they come back around again because I've

473
00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:53,960
Speaker 4: also lost a year.

474
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Speaker 2: You were ultimately trying to like, oh, he will still

475
00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:56,440
Speaker 2: look good.

476
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Speaker 3: I just don't.

477
00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,960
Speaker 4: I do think he will look I think winn or Loo,

478
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,479
Speaker 4: We're gonna be like, aha, yes, okay. So you're basically

479
00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,160
Speaker 4: three years off. We can't overlook that. And the fact that, look,

480
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:07,720
Speaker 4: all that adds up.

481
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,000
Speaker 1: The price he the toll he pays on himself personally

482
00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,600
Speaker 1: outside the cage, you know, parting too much.

483
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:12,560
Speaker 2: All that stuff adds up.

484
00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,119
Speaker 1: But if there's any division change, which could present a

485
00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,919
Speaker 1: potential fountain of youth scenario because of how large the

486
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,520
Speaker 1: gap is from two oh five to heavyweight, where you're

487
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Speaker 1: going up against the guys that are cutting down to

488
00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,239
Speaker 1: two sixty five, is I think, you know, look at

489
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,880
Speaker 1: what Ryan Bader did reinventing himself in belitari at heavyweight.

490
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:31,560
Speaker 1: There is a potential where I don't think any of

491
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,160
Speaker 1: the age or grind elements add especially with the three

492
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:36,959
Speaker 1: year layoff. There is a plus in that of not

493
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,800
Speaker 1: taking damage, of sort of being able to heal mentally

494
00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,640
Speaker 1: and physically, although how much can you hear when you're

495
00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 1: going through a lot of craziness that you cause I

496
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 1: get all that, but you have sort of some of

497
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:47,919
Speaker 1: the fears that I don't like.

498
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 2: You know, I believe what are.

499
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 3: Your fears or John as a competitor.

500
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,239
Speaker 1: And my fears center more on the idea that is

501
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,399
Speaker 1: Cyril Gone. You know, this this this freak sort of

502
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,919
Speaker 1: representing the new age of heavyweight where you're not just

503
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 1: big and you got a big punch. And that's always

504
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 1: because that's always been a big part of the deal.

505
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,320
Speaker 1: Why I've always basically until in Gan.

506
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 2: Who destroyed Steepey to win the title in their rematch,

507
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,479
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's a different type of heavyweight

508
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 2: than we've ever seen. Okay, Gon is like that, but

509
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 2: in a different way.

510
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,919
Speaker 1: So I always thought John can come to heavyweight and

511
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,880
Speaker 1: have the same, if not more success, because guys are

512
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 1: going to be slower. He has a super long reach,

513
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 1: he has a wrestling game where a lot of heavyweight stone.

514
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 1: There's just certain elements there where he's going to look

515
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,399
Speaker 1: like a middleweight in there. The problem here is that

516
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,479
Speaker 1: Cyril Gohan already looks like a middleweight at heavyweight, So

517
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,400
Speaker 1: is that just going to be a more active, more

518
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: dynamic quicker, just better footwork version of John, you know,

519
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: and he's maybe thinking I'm going up against some slow guys,

520
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 1: you know that the same thing I'm thinking here. That's

521
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 1: the type of guy that I wonder if could give

522
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 1: him a lot of trouble in that in terms of performance,

523
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 1: in terms of turning back the three year window, in

524
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 1: terms of all that. John's a gamer, like that's the

525
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 1: one thing we cannot take away from him, love him

526
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 1: or hate him.

527
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,679
Speaker 2: He is a freaking gamer. And I think he's going

528
00:20:59,720 --> 00:20:59,919
Speaker 2: to come.

529
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: I can give a very good version of himself upon

530
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 1: this because and I don't think everybody can.

531
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 2: Very few with this do this at this level.

532
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 5: Basically with the same team.

533
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 3: I mean. So there's been a lot of talk about him.

534
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 4: Trading with him or Suhuda, which he has done, but

535
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 4: his team will tell you that it's still basically the

536
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 4: same people.

537
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 3: It's Brandon Gibson, it's it's wing fairly remarkable, not wa, I'm.

538
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 5: Sorry, it's great Jackson.

539
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,479
Speaker 4: It's been through UH and it's Tusa and this jiu

540
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 4: jitsu coach and UH and then it's Stan Effortein he

541
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 4: brought into bulk Up and yeah, it's been more or

542
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 4: less the same core of people that it kind of

543
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 4: once was.

544
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Speaker 3: I will say that out of all the coaches with uh,

545
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 3: you know, when you look at coaching staffs with a

546
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 3: specific fighter, they have been very consistent and very good

547
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 3: at diagnosing what they're about to face.

548
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 5: And exploiting those weaknesses.

549
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 3: You could probably maybe say GSP with his coaching staff

550
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 3: and all that, but yeah, for Oz, I mean they

551
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 3: they're very good. Yeah, yeah, But I think that John

552
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 3: follows that stuff, and I think that's going to be interesting.

553
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 5: He's not just going to get into a gunfight.

554
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 3: You know. And especially after watching on like kind of

555
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 3: peace Up even even Uh to Vasa, he like four

556
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 3: to one and strikes in the end. I know he

557
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 3: got in some some trouble there, but like it was

558
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 3: like he quadrupled him. Strikes. Always been so weird about

559
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 3: watching him compete.

560
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 4: It's like when you watch John in there as an

561
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 4: athlete making decisions, you're like, God, damn, this guy is

562
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 4: a genius, you know, and then he gets out of

563
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 4: the cage and he's like what the fuck, Like, how

564
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 4: can you still got white around? How can you be Yeah,

565
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 4: it's like how can you be so smart here?

566
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 5: And then like yeah, is it possible.

567
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 4: That you're gonna stroke out right here in front of us,

568
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 4: and I'm not gonna do CPR tiger that coming after

569
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 4: me a little retroactive burn right there.

570
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: Is it possible that that I just got completely bamboozled

571
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: by that? It's very possible.

572
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, A lot.

573
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 2: Of detours were taken, a lot of exits off the

574
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: highway trying to land this plane.

575
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Speaker 4: People talk about the other side of things. If he

576
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 4: wins here and he captures the title, there's sort of

577
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 4: like a this expected ascendency as like confirm all times.

578
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 3: Would you agree with that? Yeah, because I already already agree.

579
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: In fact, that's something that I'm sure you guys have

580
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 3: covered with Morning Combat. But you know, he's sort of

581
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 3: getting absolved to some of his asterisks too in this moment,

582
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 3: and uh, I think that that plays into it. But

583
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 3: if he goes in there and he wins the title,

584
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 3: I think he'd be what the eighth guy to have

585
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 3: it in two divisions something like that.

586
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 5: But you mean total of mm A, yeah, total something

587
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 5: like that.

588
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 3: I was I was looking at that stat at some

589
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: point this week, but there's been four UFC champ champs, right, Yeah,

590
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 3: But I mean just not simultaneous, but just I'm talking

591
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 3: about just guys who have two.

592
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 4: Different yeah, two different class in Casejan could qualify, but

593
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 4: not so.

594
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you have to because he was

595
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 3: already up there, and if you're if you're kind of

596
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 3: I think going up a way too is also meaningful.

597
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: Like going up facing a guy like Gone, I think

598
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 3: it's inevitable, right, especially if he looks like an old

599
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 3: version of John Jones, like the I mean, like the

600
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 3: younger version where he just goes in there, destructive and

601
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: puts him away somehow, you know what I mean.

602
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,719
Speaker 4: I think that that would really speak volumes for him.

603
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 4: We you agreed, right, Like he wins, he's.

604
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's already the goat.

605
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: You could have doubts based on drug use through the years,

606
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: although some of that's getting retroactively clear to a certain degree,

607
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: and you could just I don't know, you could think

608
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: he lost any of those close matches all that, But

609
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he's the goat, and

610
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: if he does this, this is that long awaited finishing

611
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: move in his career. Whereas if he wins this championship,

612
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter to me if he loses the next

613
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: seven heavyweight fights or never fights again, dude. That is

614
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: there's no one else that can top you now, because

615
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: it goes back to all the stuff I'm saying to

616
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 1: sort of pump up about the parts about John that

617
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 1: are just so intangibly rock solid, And it's like gamer

618
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: big moment rises to the occasion, so I get some

619
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: of this fear, like you know, you's my biggest fear,

620
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: And I just wonder, is Gon going to overwhelm him

621
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: in ways we don't know, because Gon really is when

622
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: he's dialed in next level.

623
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: But what about to the idea of the bulk?

624
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: Is there a chance John can come out from three

625
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: years with that added bulk and it just not feel

626
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: the same way, not as quick and getting off of

627
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: his punch.

628
00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 4: It was a video and someone posted to being like,

629
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 4: oh my god, he looks the same and it was

630
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 4: him hitting pads at the Atlanta fight, which is against

631
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 4: for Shot. And about ten years ago, roughly a little

632
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 4: bit later than that, maybe.

633
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 3: Sometime around twenty fourteenth, we were at something.

634
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 5: I was at that all over that one.

635
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: That was the first one I ever filled in.

636
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 5: I remember that at the time.

637
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, and then they had him hitting pads

638
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 4: recently and some of somebody commented to be like, oh,

639
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 4: it's the exact same speed, And if you watched it, it

640
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 4: was like he was like very obviously slower as a heavyweight.

641
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 3: You're like, what the fuck are you looking at?

642
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 5: Yes, he looks see what they want to see?

643
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he did.

644
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 4: I mean he looked fine, he looked he looked mechanically efficient,

645
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 4: and I'm like, obviously a well trained fighter, but he

646
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 4: definitely looked slower.

647
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like, do you have any of.

648
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: Those first trucks, because you know, I think he'll over

649
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: call him any kind of cage rust?

650
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 2: What about the timing or is that.

651
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 5: Mean I do?

652
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's there's some of that for sure.

653
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 3: The other thing is, I mean, he has shown that

654
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: he can take a shot. He doesn't get into many

655
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 3: barn burners, but he you know, the the Gust of

656
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 3: Sun fight where he ate some big shots. He's shown

657
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 3: that he can do that. But this is a different

658
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 3: kind of power. And if he eats a couple of

659
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: those shots, where's he at? Like that would be it's

660
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 3: not a heavy puncher though. It's true, that's true, but

661
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: it's just you know, just heavyweight in general. I'm like,

662
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: we'll see how he kind of handles that if he

663
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: eats those. But the truth of the matter is, man,

664
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 3: he's such a smart fighter in the end that I

665
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 3: kind of always count on him nullifying any danger areas

666
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 3: right away or setting a pattern in a fight, shutting

667
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 3: something down, or then taking it like I could see

668
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 3: him taking it to the ground fairly early, right like

669
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: and just trying to see if he can get it

670
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: done there. I just I think he's that kind of fighter,

671
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 3: So I have those I'm anything can happen. That's part

672
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 3: of what makes it so fascinating him coming back. But

673
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 3: I also it's very simple for me to be like, well, yeah,

674
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 3: but he'll just do this and he'll put it in

675
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 3: his terrain, you know, he'll put it in where he's

676
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: comfortable and dominate the fight that way.

677
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: Do you expect John Jones a heavyweight to be a

678
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: consistent finishing threat or only in the right type of strike,

679
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: think a high kick where he catches a guy not

680
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: looking or doesn't see it coming.

681
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. It's God,

682
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: there's so many questions. It is, That's what that's literally

683
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: a part of the backstore. I mean part of the

684
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: whole thing, right, the whole setup. I say, one thing question.

685
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 4: You just can't lose sight of for me, just one though,

686
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 4: there's one thing that you just go back to. Its

687
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: like again, John makes again really questionable decisions in every

688
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 4: area not known as the octagon. But like that fight

689
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 4: against Rayes, you know, he knew it was close, and

690
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 4: maybe he thinks he won again. He did obviously in

691
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 4: terms of the judges, but like he had to know, shit,

692
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 4: that was uncomfortably close.

693
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 5: He hit pause on his whole career.

694
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 4: Now, yes, the pandemic and everything else, the tu multi

695
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 4: his personal life, which by the way, we haven't even

696
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 4: really talked about. That's like a really like insane thing

697
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 4: that it's still going on and only getting worse seemingly

698
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 4: like not getting better. But in general, like in terms

699
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 4: of the physical factors aforementioned, you dropped your vape chief.

700
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I wonder relate to that.

701
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up that dominic grace pointy, incause

702
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: I remembered the last time I got where I was.

703
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 4: I think he took a break and he knew he

704
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 4: had to, and so his sense his sense of timing

705
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 4: about like when to walk away and now a sense

706
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 4: of timing to return. He's only doing that, my best guess,

707
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 4: he's only doing that because he absolutely feels he's ready.

708
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he knows one to hold him and fold them.

709
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: But related to that, you know, we look at did

710
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 1: the division catch up to him physically down the stretch?

711
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why some of those fights were closed.

712
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: But was he fighting in more of a very safe

713
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: GSP like protect your title at all costs. Some of

714
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 1: that is fueled by the rest of the division catching up,

715
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: for sure, and maybe just the grind of John being

716
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: worn out mentally and physically. But like, I don't look

717
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: at those and be like, well, that's who John was

718
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: before the layoffs, So you know how much worse is

719
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: he gonna look now? Dude again, this three years could

720
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: just reactivate that competitiveness that want to train, and some

721
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: of it because of the personal stuff. Luke, I think

722
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: it in a weird way, it's consistently fueled him to

723
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: be a better fighter within the chaos, and maybe that's

724
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: just sort of how he's naturally wired to just take

725
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: the drama and all the stresses of real life pushing

726
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: aside and focus everything he has on this task. But

727
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: in light of all the personal issues in the recent years,

728
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he's coming back for just one or two.

729
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: I think he's coming back to like that's I don't know.

730
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 4: It's just weird to me that this guy's coming back

731
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 4: and it's a really huge fight, and that's great. I mean,

732
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 4: there's plenty of fun things to talk about when you're

733
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 4: talking about John Jones fighting Cyril Gone and a number

734
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 4: of wonderfully awesome dimensions to that contest.

735
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 5: It's great.

736
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: But like if this was any other fighter and their

737
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 4: only grievance was his last one that was in Vegas

738
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 4: where he's you know, headbutting the cop car and there's

739
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 4: this nine one one call and there's kids involved and

740
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 4: there's alleged domestic dispute like that would follow them to

741
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 4: this fight week or this upcoming fight week. Every single day,

742
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 4: every single day you'd hear about it, and you just

743
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 4: really and I know we're entering fight week.

744
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 5: I guess we'll have to see how much it happens.

745
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: But there's been an area word mentioned about it up

746
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: until this point. He's got good footwork of a lot

747
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: of hit yeah yeahs from that sort of thing too.

748
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: I mean, he's always got some red tape, right, Like

749
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: he's always into every fight. I don't know if people

750
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: have just accepted at some point like that he has

751
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: this sort of thing to him. It feels like they

752
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: have to be honest, Like where people he was like, wow,

753
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: he's always in some kind of trouble, you know, right,

754
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 3: and they just.

755
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 5: Kind of let it go because of that.

756
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 1: But that's why, like I always make the many patio comparison,

757
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: but Pacchio stopped knocking dudes out shortly after he you know,

758
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: apologized to his wife, made good, recommitted himself to Christ,

759
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: and sort of became this humanitarian that he is today.

760
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: But he wasn't having that same effect or nastiness inside

761
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: the ring. I think John's got to have the chaos

762
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: in his life to bring out the best of him

763
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: as a fighter, even though I'm not trying to justify

764
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: that or you know, say he doesn't need to clean

765
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: it clean up. Dude, he's one misstep from it all

766
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: falling apart at all times. But damn, does this dude

767
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: have an ability to keep it together? And let's talk

768
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: about his opponent gone, because I just think there's a

769
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: big question based on some quotes that are getting passed around.

770
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: Glad you brought that up. So is is a stated yeah, please.

771
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 4: I'm not sure who the interview was with, but I

772
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 4: saw reproduced by ESPN and other places like The Mac Life.

773
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 4: The basic idea if you haven't seen this quote card

774
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 4: and social media, chuck is he basically like, listen, I'm

775
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 4: this is serial Gone talking. He's like, look, I'm here,

776
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 4: let me held me the phone, so let me read

777
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: the quote to you very quickly. This is him talking

778
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 4: to LA. I'm sure I'm saying that wrong. I'm lazy.

779
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: That's the truth. This is BC also talking. I only

780
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 4: train when a fight is announced. I had my fight

781
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 4: against Taituvasa, barely trained since then, and now I'm back

782
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: at it since the John Jones fight has been announced.

783
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: Is he talking bullshit? Is he telling the truth? Because

784
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 4: here's the truth. That's something that John Jones did for long.

785
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,239
Speaker 4: I was about bringing this up.

786
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: Actually, when we're on Yeah, when we're talking about the

787
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: first gust of some flight, I was like, well, that

788
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 3: sounds like gone now. I mean, it's like whose red

789
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 3: flags do wave a little bit? But at the same time,

790
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: he's being honest and I feel like they're I feel like,

791
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 3: sort of that's the heavyweight I'm not everybody, but I

792
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: feel like that's a heavyweight division. Sometimes, like some of

793
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: these guys, they just kind of get around to training

794
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: when it's absolutely necessary. I'm a little surprised, though, to

795
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: be honest, because he's such an athlete. You've seen him

796
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: like obvious, yeah, dunking, just out there just being athletic

797
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: in general.

798
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 5: Like, uh so, I just kind of assumed that.

799
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: Body ever tends to show you any proof of this

800
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: or is he just kind of trying.

801
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: Jod never looked like anything other than an athlete. He

802
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 4: was skinny, thin, sort of wary. But whereas you know,

803
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 4: to your point, God's a little hulking.

804
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: But gotten is shredded along with the dude.

805
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 4: If you ever met guys like that, like dude, they're

806
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 4: just it's like you're on favorites, Like do they're just

807
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: born that way?

808
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: Bro? They just all they've been. The truth is, though,

809
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: like Gone has looked pretty good every time out has

810
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: any So it's like if he's if this is his

811
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: way of doing things and he's looking good, once he

812
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 3: gets in there and fight night, it only becomes a

813
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: red flag once it becomes a real red flag, you

814
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: know what I mean? And I mean honestly, probably the

815
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: being gone one because he wore down as that fight

816
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: went on, was the only time where maybe you correct

817
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong, you probably watch a lot more

818
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: tape on it, but where I felt like he showed

819
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: that sort of thing where maybe he could have been

820
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: in better condition or something like that.

821
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: Look, is there.

822
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: Any way you can frame Cyril Gun's knockout of taychoy Vasa,

823
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: which became a surprise, like almost.

824
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: Fight of the Air Contenders.

825
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: There's such a weird, one wild war and none of

826
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: us expected it. It became a war. I want to say,

827
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: I think more of what God either didn't do or

828
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: some mistakes he made, although like you can't discount the

829
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: heart of Tuvas he just finds a way of getting

830
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: insight on you. Are there any pluses you think Gon

831
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: pulls from that or could pull from that, rather than

832
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: just looking at that as, oh my god, you almost

833
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: gave it all up and you know, and.

834
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 4: I think he's also got minerals too. I'm not really

835
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: worried about like what kind of competitor he is, to

836
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 4: be honest with.

837
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: You, But do you think he gets even better from

838
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: enduring that?

839
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: Sure, there's no doubt he looks at that. I think that.

840
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're I mean, he says he's lazy,

841
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,239
Speaker 4: and again that could all be trolling, right, you know,

842
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 4: he's actually turning his ass off anyone, right thing, So

843
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 4: who the hell knows, But to the extent that has

844
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 4: any truth to it, yeah, I mean definitely going through

845
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 4: a firefight like that and making out the other side

846
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 4: and getting a great stoppage, and the way he did

847
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 4: again Sweevevas with all those teeps to the gut and

848
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 4: all the body shots like that has to.

849
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: Be really great. He's fighting in Paris, right, but I

850
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: think that that was part of it, like he wanted

851
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: to go in there and put on a show as

852
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: well as when you know, yep, I think he went

853
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: in there with a different mindset.

854
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: But it's interesting we've seen a two different versions of

855
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: Cyril Gun. The one who is in control of the

856
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: fighting looks like the new age heavyweight ready to take

857
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 1: over for the next decade, and then the guy who

858
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: still doesn't have fully developed skills.

859
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: And if you can expose I.

860
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: Said, I wasn't I wasn't like super thrilled with his progression,

861
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 4: and people were like, what the fuck are you talking about.

862
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: Now we're back at a point where I'm like, well,

863
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: he's telling you he's lazy.

864
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 4: Like there, guys, she could be a reason for why

865
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: the progression is still great, but not where it could be.

866
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: But here's the thing that you just always go up against.

867
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, it would be bad.

868
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 3: Well, by the way, like if he if he loses

869
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: this fight one sidedly right right, you could then say, well,

870
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: the trend was we saw him with Anghanu given and

871
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: then his last fight he almost gets taken out against

872
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: uh toy Vassa. Now he loses, you could actually be like, well, yeah,

873
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 3: that trend's been in play for a minute.

874
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 4: The thing is this, let me just ask yourself this,

875
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 4: if you had to build a fighter to beat John

876
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 4: Jones at heavyweight today, like in your mind, how similar

877
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 4: would they be to what Cyril Gun actually is today.

878
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 4: That's how That's why I pose that there's enough of

879
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 4: a difference between those answers that gives me a little

880
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 4: bit pause, Like part of me.

881
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: Wants to feel like Gon is the easiest matchup of

882
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: the three because he doesn't have like the three meaning

883
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: Stipe or Francis, because he doesn't have overwhelming one punch

884
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 1: power that you have to worry about. And if you're

885
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: part of the allure of John moving up to heavyweight

886
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: is seeing how he reacts to heavyweight power and all

887
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: that that goes with that. But like you can talk

888
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: yourself into that regard, But is there just as likely

889
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: a chance that Gon could wear down Jones and stop

890
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: him in that regard?

891
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, look, do do you feel like this

892
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: is the easiest of.

893
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: The three or potentially the hardest of the three, because

894
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: the other two still have that basic default design of

895
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: John being the longer, quicker, smaller fighter moving up and

896
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: showing us the skill and the movement to outduel you

897
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: against Gon, though you may have to be the chaser

898
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: and the puncher too.

899
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 4: On the feet, I would say, I do think he's

900
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 4: a big challenge for anyone.

901
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: I really believe that it's just every other part.

902
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 5: Of the game.

903
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 4: You're like, on the clinch that's gonna be interesting right now.

904
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 4: To that point, Cyril is very good in the clinch,

905
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 4: But I could see John making it like a more

906
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 4: of a wrestling scenario, and then certainly in the wrestling

907
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 4: itself and then the grappling dude God had left me

908
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 4: wanting against France.

909
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: And like sitting.

910
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 4: I think it was just when he sat, when he

911
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 4: when he sat for that, that that he look.

912
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, what the fuck are we doing?

913
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: He hasked him from proof.

914
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: Since then, I told the story on the post fight show.

915
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 4: I'll remember, like I think my very we're talking two

916
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: thousand and four or something. My very first week of training,

917
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 4: we were playing around and we were doing guard passing

918
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 4: drills and I just sat for one of the legs

919
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 4: for like a straight ankle lock. And my instructor at

920
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 4: the time was uh, Professor Green. He came over and

921
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 4: was like stop. He's like, when you get good enough, yeah,

922
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 4: of course you can sit back for that. Got to

923
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 4: learn how to pass the guard. It's much more important

924
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 4: than some kind of bullshit leg entinglement nonsense.

925
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 3: And that just sort of stuck in my brain.

926
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 4: And when he sat for that, I was like, oh

927
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 4: my god, buddy, that is a very bad mistake.

928
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 3: What are you doing.

929
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, you do that shit against John Jones,

930
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 4: Like the fight's fucking over, Like you can't do that shit.

931
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: So you know, it's like if he just it's what

932
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 3: we said before the matching.

933
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 4: The pairing is like who's at the top, who's ready

934
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 4: to go? We got to get John in there. This

935
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 4: seems like a good one. Let's make it for the title,

936
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 4: and that'll be what it's about. It's not some it's

937
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 4: not some giant ordering of the universe coming together to

938
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 4: give us a very perfect answer to all of life's

939
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 4: heavyweight questions.

940
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 5: What's the bigger pressure on do you think Jones has

941
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 5: to be? Yeah?

942
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cyril's lazy, but I don't think he gives that much.

943
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, though, if he loses this and

944
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: then Jones's era is now heavyweight, I mean he's kind

945
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: of buried, right, like he's going to be buried.

946
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: For Yeah, but it's still heavyweight. You're still one big

947
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: win away. I mean, really, you're always one big win.

948
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: At heavy especially especially given the time. If John loses,

949
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 3: what does that do to his legacy?

950
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: It depends on the level of the loss of his

951
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: kind of decision.

952
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: But it's relatively clear.

953
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: Okay, relatively clear, But could it show you that if

954
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: he recommit, you know, commit continued down the path of

955
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: rebuilding his body, or if he just shored up that

956
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: one part of his game. Like, there are elements to

957
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: this where he loses the decision. You're like, okay, Like, okay,

958
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: let's say he's out Is he against yan as the example, right?

959
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 4: Okay, not beat up but outclassed. A lot of Serial's

960
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: opponents end up not being without class.

961
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: That's when I wonder if whether John looks at the outlet,

962
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: he looks at the field, especially at two of five,

963
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: which is a mess.

964
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 2: It's it's a decently fun mess.

965
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 5: He goes back.

966
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: It depends on how all that time bulking up.

967
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: Let's say he gets schooled at heavyweight but doesn't get

968
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: knocked out and finished, but just feels like, man, I

969
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: don't know if I can do this.

970
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 2: What do you have to get knocked out cold to

971
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: like to beat too?

972
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 4: I think if he gets knocked out cold, he comes

973
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 4: back and gets an immediate rematch. Yeah, I'm talking about

974
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 4: the guy who's like, if he wins, he's greatest of

975
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 4: all time.

976
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 5: If he loses and get an immediatem.

977
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: Is it depends on the success he has and upped

978
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: until the loss, Right, I mean, there's a lot of

979
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: ways this can go.

980
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, in any case, it's fun to think about.

981
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 4: We've been talking about it for forty minutes, and we

982
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 4: can go to the other fight on there are other fights,

983
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 4: let's talk about that comin event.

984
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 5: What a fight this is.

985
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 4: I am so happy about this contest, A women's flyweight

986
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 4: title fight between Valentino Chefchenko and Alexa Grasso.

987
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 5: And again I'll give them credit.

988
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 4: At the beginning of the year, Danias Si grew up

989
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 4: with out of sweet saying it's possible by the end

990
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 4: of the year, you could have four Mexican champions. First

991
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 4: two fought for a title, the first two to one.

992
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 4: Grasso could be the third. How about that? That is incredible.

993
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 4: Didn't we say there's a fourth coming up? Oh yeah,

994
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 4: it'll be her teammate either a al Donna. Yeah, if

995
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 4: she gets the new she gets it, she will actually

996
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 4: be the next champion as well.

997
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: We got four champions, two men.

998
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 4: That is a remarkable moment for the growth of MMA,

999
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 4: and it's been I know that the UFC has said

1000
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 4: this is the real moment though for Mexican MMA, because

1001
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 4: I felt like we were always kind of forcing this

1002
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: issue earlier.

1003
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 5: Yes, you know what I mean. So the UFC had.

1004
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 4: For folks who don't know this, Dana White made this

1005
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 4: clear that when they first bought the UFC at the

1006
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 4: time from Semaphore Entertainment Group SEG, they were like, Okay,

1007
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 4: where do we want to expand let's follow the boxing

1008
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 4: map UK Mexico got to be right because that's where

1009
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 4: all the hardcore fight fans are. But then they found

1010
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 4: out that it's a different map for MMA fans. You

1011
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 4: have to make kind of your own. UK is coming along, right,

1012
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 4: That's that's chugging along in a great way. But Mexico

1013
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 4: has had a real burst of innovation.

1014
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: And Caine got out the same year, right.

1015
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't get out the same year. So to

1016
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,439
Speaker 4: have two champions a potential third, granted, it's an uphill climb.

1017
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 4: I think we can all agree with that. It's an

1018
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 4: uphill climb.

1019
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 5: Uh.

1020
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 4: I just feel like and UC deserves also credit for

1021
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 4: priming the pump and the way that they did in

1022
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: the market and bringing the product there and then putting

1023
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 4: ya ear and putting Brandon Marino on scholarship. In terms

1024
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 4: of the athletes who got to go, Trane Jackson's a

1025
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 4: little bit twenty ten years ago, pretty great moment for

1026
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 4: the sport.

1027
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: It hadn't really occurred to me, to be honest, man, Like,

1028
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 3: that's that is pretty remarkable because they have tried, I

1029
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: feel like to be tapping into that market for a while,

1030
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 3: and uh it always feels a little forced, like they

1031
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: can never get that star. But I mean, now you've

1032
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 3: got a bunch of people, that's true.

1033
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean I just better almost if you have a

1034
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: bunch of different names. I mean one, if you've got

1035
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: one big transcending the sport, that's one thing.

1036
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 5: But and I'll tell you that. Then have you guys

1037
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 5: been to an event down there?

1038
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: I was discovered? Yeah. Next I went to the one

1039
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 3: in Mexico City, which was just like a fight night,

1040
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: the one that Jeremy Stevens fought, yeah year, and it

1041
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 3: was it ended in an ipoke, but the pop he

1042
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: got and Grassa was on that same thing, and so

1043
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: was Aldanna. They were so it was so yeah loud.

1044
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: I mean they were just already heroes in Mexico. So

1045
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 3: if all of that comes to pass, I mean that

1046
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: is going to be a big moment.

1047
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 5: For the US.

1048
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 2: How to sea level chuck dude?

1049
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: Down there? It was actually I had to dodge some

1050
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: beers though, because they stopped that fight and people were

1051
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 3: not happy about that.

1052
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 5: Is that the one where Brendan Fitzgerald got under his desk?

1053
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: Yes, they got I was said right there watching them

1054
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 3: get out of their deayry.

1055
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: Look, there's two things happening at the same time in

1056
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: this division right now.

1057
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 2: Okay, women's flyweight one.

1058
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: The field is catching up with Valentina ever so slowly

1059
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: from Jennifer Maya competing on the.

1060
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 3: Ground somebody that they think is going to beat her.

1061
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: Right, so, Tyler Santo's getting a disputed swet decision loss

1062
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: that could have gone either way. Now you got a

1063
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: Marion Blanche for Manon Faro. Tatiano Suarez is coming back

1064
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: like it's just across the board. This division's decent Again.

1065
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: Is Grosso a legit threat to the title or is

1066
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: it more of those other ladies that we're talking about here?

1067
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 5: Gotta be the other ones?

1068
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 4: Right, Grosso has put together a great run, She has

1069
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 4: earned this opportunity.

1070
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: She is I think a threat worth you know, certainly

1071
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 3: taking seriously.

1072
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 4: But it just again, if you had to build a fighter, yeah,

1073
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 4: beat Chevchenko, that's how much Does it look like Grosso.

1074
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: A little bit? Some of the boxing, some of the

1075
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: great foot will.

1076
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 2: They got to be physical to be a good grappler.

1077
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 4: They have to be they have to have they have

1078
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 4: to be honestly, this is why. And Grassow kind of

1079
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 4: gets after it.

1080
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: But Blanchfield gets right in your Blanchfield would be right

1081
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: in your fat. That's why people are already like you know,

1082
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: and this is you know, you get ahead of yourself.

1083
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: You think Blanchefield, my god, that would be a nightmare.

1084
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 3: And it would be a fascinating matchup if it happens

1085
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: with chef Chenko right, for the reason, she's young, she's invincible,

1086
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: feels in vincibles, she's underfeet like all those things. But

1087
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: the fight, the way she fights, whereas Grasso, I mean

1088
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 3: her fit with Macy Barber, for instance, like she didn't

1089
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 3: know takedown attempts her last one?

1090
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 5: Is it a rouge? How do you pounce her name?

1091
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: Rouge?

1092
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 4: She liked her on one Yeah, on one of the

1093
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 4: judges scorecards, she won fifty forty five, right.

1094
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 3: And I mean so, But the way that she's winning

1095
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 3: is the way that I don't think she can beat

1096
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: Valentina this way. The way that Santos was able to

1097
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: compete was what has a bunch of takedowns and oh yeah,

1098
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 3: got the got the It was like she po nine

1099
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: minutes of control or something like nearly yeah, And I mean,

1100
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: I just don't see how Grasscow gets that done.

1101
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 4: You know, it doesn't have huge power like onroj Androge

1102
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 4: lost to Chefchenko.

1103
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 5: But you're like, what's her threat? Big power?

1104
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, that's a thing Grasslow doesn't have that.

1105
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 4: She has really clean boxing, good footwork. She obviously did

1106
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 4: beat I think she either knocked out or something. She

1107
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 4: finished off Joanne Wood right in the fight prior to

1108
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 4: the last one, so she got some finishing ability.

1109
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 5: I knocked it off again.

1110
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: But that's nature's way of telling you just.

1111
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 4: But nothing but nothing that's that makes you like, oh,

1112
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: she's a great fit to beat.

1113
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: I have a very important question about Chevchenko for you.

1114
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: Okay, I can say this on cameras nothing nothing weird.

1115
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 5: Become the tweets at me.

1116
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: The rumors of her demise at thirty four, if that's

1117
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: even a thing. Is it more situational and opponent based

1118
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: on what we just talked about tylist onto a specific

1119
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: advantage on the ground and her size, or is it

1120
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: overall or is it just that the Jessica ike Chikji

1121
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: and Lauren Murphy class is not as good as this

1122
00:43:58,520 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: new class?

1123
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: Like what is it? What's to hev Chenkin.

1124
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: I think that's true. I think that the previous class.

1125
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 3: I mean you look at Jessica I and I mean,

1126
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 3: I mean Chikegan is good. But again I think that

1127
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 3: you're talking about a different class. You look at the

1128
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: ones like you just mentioned Tatiana Sorez. I mean I

1129
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: had her, you know by now, if she's not missing time,

1130
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: she would have been a champion.

1131
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 5: I think she was.

1132
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 4: They were calling her the female Yah books forgetting, and

1133
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, they forget.

1134
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 3: That's another one that you're just like, man, that's just crazy.

1135
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 3: That division is shaping up. But those types of fighters,

1136
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: the way that they win is just such a dictation

1137
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: of wills, you know, like especially when you're talking about

1138
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: Blanchfeld and like this last fight, it's fascinating.

1139
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 5: Man.

1140
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 3: If Valentine is able to now navigate that, I would

1141
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 3: have no problem saying that she's the goat and the

1142
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: women's MMA right like it's right now people still talk

1143
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: about Amanda Unas and all this. But if she's able

1144
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 3: to navigate this field coming at her or about to

1145
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: come at her.

1146
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: What he's saying right now, people is that Valentina doesn't

1147
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: necessarily need a third fight with Amanda and a victory

1148
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: to surpass Amanda all time. She just needs to run

1149
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: the course in her own de at one, two five, Luke,

1150
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: interesting take. She has seven defenses right now? Which is

1151
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: the women's UFC record? What's the the overall record? Is

1152
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: it eleven by DJ? I believe it's eleven by DJ?

1153
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 3: Yes?

1154
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 5: I think so.

1155
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: So you're saying, essentially, if she clears out this class,

1156
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: she'll have the record for most title defenses.

1157
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: She may be the is she the she a female goat?

1158
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: If that happens.

1159
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 5: You like that argument?

1160
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: What's that shake you like from strike Force instead strike Force?

1161
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1162
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 4: I wouldn't call her a Strike Force veteran, much like

1163
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 4: jay or bolscenario, not a Strike Force Yes, yes, yes, yes,

1164
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 4: I'll say this.

1165
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: I was talking about its resilient striker, the woman who

1166
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 3: just went into UH pro wrestling, who was with Belatore.

1167
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: I thought you were talking about her.

1168
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 7: Oh oh yeah, you're talking about Yes, yes, they's talking

1169
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 7: about Okay, all right, I.

1170
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: Will say this.

1171
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: I can see a scenario where the fight could be

1172
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 4: like a little bit like what we got from Holloway

1173
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 4: and Edgar, where the scores are lopsided fifty forty five.

1174
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 4: But it's like, you know, it was relatively competitive like that.

1175
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 4: It wasn't a blowout. It's like each round was close,

1176
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 4: but one was just better. With Grassholme, yeah, they strike

1177
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 4: it out and they just box it out on the

1178
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 4: feet where she gets her legs chopped up and she

1179
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 4: eats a big shop.

1180
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: But you know, Grasslo's tough and she's gonna make It's interesting.

1181
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: Though Grosso's considered a very good boxer in the women's game,

1182
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: that's the true thing. She's got good head movement, she

1183
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 1: seems to put her punches together well. But chef Chenko

1184
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: from middle distance is just a marksman, you know what

1185
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean?

1186
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: She just is.

1187
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 3: I mean, look what she has more weapons in different ranges.

1188
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: Look what she did a Holly Holm for example, just

1189
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: completely control the distance and shut her down.

1190
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 4: She was also whatd she she She arm barred Julianna Painya.

1191
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: What I'm basically saying is that even though Grosso has

1192
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: this strength that's pretty damn good. I think Valentine is

1193
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: just better in that strength to begin with.

1194
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:52,479
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.

1195
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 3: I think she plays Grassow's strength, plays into Valentina's strength.

1196
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 5: That's why it's harder stink.

1197
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it just feels a little it feels

1198
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 4: like the the UFC equivalent of this is not quite true,

1199
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 4: because again I do think she earned it.

1200
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it feels the terminology never conveys exactly what

1201
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 3: you want to convey.

1202
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 4: It feels a little bit like a mandatory in boxing, right,

1203
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 4: something that were like the person became the mandatory because

1204
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 4: they be all the people that were supposed to You're

1205
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 4: not making this because you actually think that Schevchenko is

1206
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 4: you know, gonna lose. But if this person earned the opportunity,

1207
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 4: you're the champion. You have to defend it, right, that's

1208
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 4: the responsibility. Let's see what happens.

1209
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: Right, it would feel and obviously I'm not trying to

1210
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: create like a rooting interest, but it would feel a

1211
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 3: little anti climatic, even though it would be a huge

1212
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: moment from Mexico. Like we just said, but if Grasso

1213
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: wins and you take out somebody that we're having these

1214
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 3: discussions about being the goat and those potential matchups that

1215
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: we were just talking about, meaning what they could and

1216
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: all this, it would be kind of anti climatic, I

1217
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: guess right like that would be. I think that, well,

1218
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 3: now that you have Blanchefield who made her her case

1219
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: with Andrage, and you got Tasiana there, you want to

1220
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: be those fights, and then you want the stakes to

1221
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 3: be as high as they can for those fights.

1222
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: KGB once said, so unsatisfying all night long.

1223
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 6: Chick, chick, chick, Give that man pay him.

1224
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 5: He beats me straight that recently.

1225
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy hung out in more Turkish bath houses

1226
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: than you and Doug Crosby combine.

1227
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 5: The Rounders is a is a great is a great,

1228
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 5: great movie.

1229
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 3: I love it.

1230
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: And by the way, that little mite hold up that

1231
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: one holds up that little.

1232
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: Mini Era, which also had good will hunting at the Matrix,

1233
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: that couple of year run there in the mid to late.

1234
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 5: Ninetiesty seven ninety nine, Half.

1235
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: Baked Fight Club. I mean that run of there was

1236
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: pretty some badass movies.

1237
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: And that Titanic, well, yeah he had it for a minute.

1238
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 5: I had to go see the I was dinning heir

1239
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 5: all the time.

1240
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 4: Who made me go watch the re release of Dirty

1241
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 4: Dancing oh man, oh god, god.

1242
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 3: I fucking hate it.

1243
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: Did you have the time of your life, Luke? Yeah?

1244
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: No, I did not have to do my life.

1245
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 5: I wanted to fucking die corner.

1246
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 4: Nevertheless, I don't have a whole lot to say about

1247
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 4: that fight, but I think the card in general is

1248
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 4: a pretty great.

1249
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: Who should fight next for the title against the winner

1250
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: of chev Chenko Blanchfield?

1251
00:48:58,560 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: Right?

1252
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: I think, what about she's ranked two? See, that is

1253
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: the that is the that is hard.

1254
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: What about time less? She's ranked one?

1255
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 5: No, she needs to get another fight.

1256
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: You think she needs to pay her coaches or you're

1257
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: not get into that.

1258
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: It's all alleged. We'll have to see. I'll let the

1259
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 3: courts decide.

1260
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: Okay, Like like the IVY, it's all alleged.

1261
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 5: Right again, the bigger fight would be Blanchefield.

1262
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: When you when you accept an opponent switch with like

1263
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 3: seven days. Notice, I'm sure you guys are already talked

1264
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 3: about this, but when you accept that from your perspective

1265
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: and do that, I mean, come.

1266
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: On, she's Jersey tough.

1267
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 5: I know you have to have like a supreme Oh yeah, confidence.

1268
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 4: She hasn't unnatural models it off like with relative ease almost,

1269
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 4: I mean.

1270
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 2: I don't understand that, Like it's but again then again,

1271
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: like I don't know.

1272
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: Some kids just whatever sport they pick, by age eight

1273
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: or nine, they're like, I'm going to be in the

1274
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: Olympics and they get there. Maybe it's just one of

1275
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: those just mentalities that.

1276
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: Just hasn't been there for that division, Like there hasn't

1277
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 3: been that person that you're like, you circle me and

1278
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: say watch out as soon as they get to Chefchenko.

1279
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 5: That's that.

1280
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 4: This feels like the the bookend of Schefchenko beating the

1281
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 4: early stage of the women's flyway division, right, yeah, if

1282
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 4: she wins, obviously it would be the first. Okay, you

1283
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 4: you went through that early period. Here's the second wave

1284
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 4: and two point zero looks a lot.

1285
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: That's three straight dis mantlings for no, there's one fighting

1286
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: between it's Aldridge.

1287
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: Did she dismantle her too? I mean, this is this

1288
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: is a run.

1289
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 3: Right now from the room service diaries first Yeah, Efect,

1290
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, it's very effectual. It is all right.

1291
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 2: Also, this card's great. Can you get any other one?

1292
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 3: How about this one?

1293
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 4: How about Shavcott Rochmanov undefeated? I think seventeen wins, seventeen finishes, undefeated.

1294
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 4: All he has stoppages in every one of his fights.

1295
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: Below was very early to that one, very early, the.

1296
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: Biggest source of his MMA heart ons admit it rightfully

1297
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: so though rightfully so.

1298
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 3: Take it on Jeff Neil.

1299
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 4: Jeff Neil, by the way, just coming up that wind

1300
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 4: of her Luk where he looked fucking cool.

1301
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: He's a hammer again.

1302
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 4: He's figured, he put it back together, he's got his

1303
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 4: life in order, and I mean a little bit of

1304
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 4: some issues there, but he looked like he's a suitable competitor.

1305
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 4: But but Chuck, yeah, old Chavi Jovcott, he's looking like

1306
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 4: the real deal Holyfield?

1307
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 5: Is he not? He is man?

1308
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 3: And I know we have talked about him before and

1309
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 3: and I've said this before, there are certain guys that

1310
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 3: have that inevitable thing to them, and he was definitely

1311
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: the guy in that division to me pretty early on

1312
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: where I was like, watch out for this guy. And

1313
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: I feel like this is the fight right like where

1314
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 3: people are going to be watching this card. You're going

1315
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: against the guy I think who accommodate him a little

1316
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: bit and the type of fight that would showcase his skills.

1317
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 3: So I think it's going to be a fun one.

1318
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 3: It's definitely the bang for your buck on the pay

1319
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: per view like this, You're like, you get a guy

1320
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 3: who's literally making that move and Bonnickel right like, so

1321
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 3: you get a couple of guys like this who are

1322
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 3: in that space, but like Bonnicchol has a little ways

1323
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 3: to go. But shopcot Man, I mean to me, he's

1324
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 3: a future champion. So this is the first step, right,

1325
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 3: you see all right over there? Yeah, sorry, what you see?

1326
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 3: I don't have to I'll tell you off camera.

1327
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 4: I know someone who has trained with like sarr yuki

1328
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 4: In and a bunch of other hammers and Rockamanov and

1329
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 4: all those guys out of that area in various points,

1330
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 4: and they told me that by far, by far, of

1331
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 4: all the hammers right now in the UFC, Rockamanov is

1332
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 4: the most talented.

1333
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, damn. And I came from like a very credible source.

1334
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: I mean, Islam's pretty talented.

1335
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 3: Well, we're talking about the up and come ones, not

1336
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 3: the ones who already, not.

1337
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: The ones that not the Usman's not the ones who

1338
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: are there are not the ones.

1339
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 4: Who already they are the ones who are like some

1340
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 4: of the younger guys BC, do you have my level

1341
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 4: of like to me, it's this question of like, which

1342
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 4: way is Rockmano gonna win?

1343
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: Right, because the deal is there that Jeff Neil is

1344
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: like kind of the perfect challenge right now, and he's

1345
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: he's reborn physically and mentally, and that not got a

1346
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: luk is what you want to be coming off of.

1347
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: And he had a harder and split decision with Ponzinibbio

1348
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: before that. But despite all the layoffs, injuries, in some

1349
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: of the missteps in his own life, like, this is

1350
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: the perfect challenge and he might get sliced up.

1351
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: I mean, this just.

1352
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: Might be an inevitable one sided dismantling. And that's the

1353
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 1: lurd to see how not how good, how great is Shafka,

1354
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, I mean at the same way, like Drew,

1355
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: how many times we see a prospect's wheels fall off

1356
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: in the most unexpected way? Roman Off the heavyweight, Did

1357
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: you see him getting guests out there? No, it happens. No,

1358
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: not to this guy, Not to this guy. Because there's

1359
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: a next level craft. There's a poise that feels almost scary.

1360
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: There's an understanding of the game inside of him in

1361
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: a next an ability to execute that's like damn.

1362
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 3: He fights not with like a crazy aggression.

1363
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 4: But when you watch the far from the beginning till

1364
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 4: the end, and you go back and like for what

1365
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 4: I've done, Like when you go back and review, like

1366
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 4: what path he takes? He fights with such intention. Yeah,

1367
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 4: Now he may set a trap to do it. It may

1368
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 4: take us some time to pull it off, like a

1369
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 4: round or round or two, but he'll do it.

1370
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 3: And it's that you can just tell.

1371
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 4: He just brings the fight like a crocodile, just grabs

1372
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 4: and then drags you under. He knows exactly where he's

1373
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 4: taking you, exactly what his objective is, and he.

1374
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 3: Just it's the poison, the sense of purpose. You know,

1375
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 3: some guys like they're banging their chest as they're going

1376
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: through and you're like, I don't know, he's just kind

1377
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 3: of quietly doing it, like it's just that's who he is, man,

1378
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 3: And I think those things. Yeah, it's so it's kind

1379
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 3: of crazy. This one would be a lot of fun, man,

1380
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 3: because I think that, you know, Jeff Neil is a

1381
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: guy who will go at him, you know, so I

1382
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: think you could see a little bit of a danger

1383
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 3: for a minute maybe, but it'd be fun to see

1384
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 3: how how he handles it.

1385
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 4: Now, if he beats Jeff Neil in the way that

1386
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 4: we think he might, Jeff Neil, of course, is a

1387
00:53:59,000 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 4: knockout threat.

1388
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 5: He is well is not some scrub, that's not.

1389
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 2: Oh, he can fight a high pace, he can drag

1390
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: you in.

1391
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 4: He's he's a he's a very I mean, this is

1392
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 4: this is Rockmanov, given who he has beaten stepping up

1393
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 4: to be quite clear. But if you see, if he

1394
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 4: wins in the way that we assume and we don't

1395
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 4: want to get too far of ourselves and we're not

1396
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 4: seeing the answer is next. But then you do have

1397
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 4: to start thinking, Okay, where does he go against the

1398
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 4: top five because he's not four from a title at that.

1399
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 2: Point, right, and nobody's gonna want him, That's the truth.

1400
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna go out of their way.

1401
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: I mean, is anyone can anyone get in trouble and

1402
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: they get forced to fight them? Like, who the hell

1403
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: is Colby gonna fight? Right?

1404
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 3: Like?

1405
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 2: Who the hell?

1406
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 3: You know?

1407
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: So does that inevitably just pair up together?

1408
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1409
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 2: But either way it's like, is he gonna fill the gap?

1410
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: Is he going to fill the role where Hamza was

1411
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: Hamzad seemed inevitable as a monster challenge for the title,

1412
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: and now after the missing of weight and everything's going on,

1413
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: he looks like he might be going to middleway here,

1414
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: So does that open a major door following the trilogy

1415
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: of Usman Versus Edwards? And then obviously you've got a

1416
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: couple guys in between who are deserving. Dude, he's he's

1417
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: not going to cut the line in front of them,

1418
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: but he's going to be in the same conversation with it.

1419
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 4: Nguy man, It's not for a little while, So we'll

1420
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 4: have to see what happens, because I think what I

1421
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 4: believe what I saw was that Hamsa Chamaiav's not going

1422
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 4: to come back to after Ramadan, so late April write

1423
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 4: something like that. Yeah, but I guess we'll have to

1424
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 4: see what happens when Gilbert Burns fights for Hey Masitol.

1425
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 4: I expect Gilbert to win that, and they've been training

1426
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 4: partners in the past. A shot caught Gilbert Burns fight.

1427
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 4: Oh man, oh lord, buddy, you are talking about.

1428
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 3: Well, all of those A lot of those matchups that

1429
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 3: he could have in the top five would be fun

1430
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 3: to contemplate.

1431
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 5: Yes, you know, I don't know.

1432
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 3: I mean, this is just like we were talking about

1433
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 3: the other division, but like this one has some real

1434
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 3: monsters coming up too. And also if you include Chamaiov right, like,

1435
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 3: if you're still including him in this conversation, it's pretty nutty. Man.

1436
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 4: So a credit to Jeff Neil for taking a fight that,

1437
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 4: by the way, nobody wanted.

1438
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 3: And if he wins, dude, you're talking seriously. I mean also,

1439
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: like that.

1440
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 4: Would be that'd be the best stretch of wins in

1441
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 4: his career, even with the tough one over Ponzinibbio, Ponzinibbio,

1442
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 4: after Luke, after Rockmanov, that would be a remarkable stretch

1443
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 4: for Jeff Neil.

1444
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 2: You have to knock him out to win or is

1445
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 2: there a scenario?

1446
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 4: Probably, Yeah, it's hard to imagine he's going to control

1447
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 4: position and all that kind of shit with him. That's

1448
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 4: that seems deeply unlikely.

1449
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: But that's just one of the tasty appetizers on this guy.

1450
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 4: Yes it is, BC will go right back to you.

1451
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 4: He is filling in for Dan Hooker who had to

1452
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 4: be removed. But Teyoh Gamrot fresh off the laws to

1453
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 4: Banil Daryush.

1454
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,240
Speaker 3: Although it was you know, it was a hard fallt loss.

1455
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 4: Take it on Jalen Turner, who is I'm trying to

1456
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 4: think of the right word for Jaialen Turner, but it's

1457
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 4: something like terrifying.

1458
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, terrifying, aggressively dangerous.

1459
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 4: Here's why he's so dangerous. Ready to make many reasons,

1460
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 4: but here's a great one. He is a tall fighter

1461
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 4: who fights tall, who uses length when he wants or

1462
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 4: up close a differential between me to chin levels. Like,

1463
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 4: he understands his leverages and his lengths and uses them appropriately,

1464
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 4: which makes him terrified.

1465
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: If Gamut does Gamrot things, he can still win this

1466
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: even though I love this matchup, But does Gamroth need

1467
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: to develop an extra gear to truly become a threat

1468
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: for the Crown? I don't know, man, I mean, he's

1469
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: still looked pretty good. I just feel like, you know,

1470
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: he's still putting it together.

1471
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 3: But he's still very good coming off of what just

1472
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 3: the one loss as all these which could have gone

1473
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 3: either way. It could have gone either way. It's funny

1474
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 3: how that happens. A guy loses a close fight and

1475
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: people started like start to push him aside. To me,

1476
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 3: he's still I mean, I could see him winning this fight,

1477
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 3: you know what. I mean, like, to me, this is

1478
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 3: a winnable fight for him. But again, dude, you mentioned

1479
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 3: these fights. It kind of has the same appeal you

1480
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 3: know some of these others like, uh, you have guys

1481
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 3: that I think will contend, you know, I think Jayalen

1482
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 3: Turner will contend at some point, right, So this is

1483
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 3: just fun. It's fun to contemplate Gamrock too, man. I mean,

1484
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 3: I feel like he's just how old is he? He's

1485
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 3: still fairly thirty one, oh, a little older than I thought. Yeah,

1486
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 3: I got it open here he's he's thirty two, but

1487
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 3: I screwed up. He had the close win over starting

1488
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 3: a game. Yes, and it was the Beanil Diryschi.

1489
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 4: Oh that's right, that's right, where got Both of those

1490
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 4: were close, but Dirry's clearly better and then he was

1491
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 4: kind of edging it out over so you cank.

1492
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 3: Like, he does need to throw, he does need to

1493
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 3: go for his scrambling and his wrestling next level.

1494
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 4: But like Logan story we talked about with Bellator, just

1495
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 4: not enough punishment, not enough just hammering guys into the.

1496
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 3: Into the canvas.

1497
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 4: That's been one thing that's been a bit of an

1498
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 4: issue for him and against Jalen Turner, It's like, well,

1499
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 4: on the feet, that's a real bad fight, right, But

1500
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 4: on the ground, Turner could be those guys who have

1501
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 4: long leverages if you don't know how to fight using

1502
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 4: them on the ground, that could be like a real

1503
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 4: bad place to be tall.

1504
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: Actually, dude, five in a row for the tarantula. All

1505
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: five by stoppage, three by submission. So the danger is heavy.

1506
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: I mean that, run through it, run through it.

1507
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: Joshua Quby all Kebayo rock Weaver was a submission. He

1508
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: had stopped Joshua by punches, euros medik he said no

1509
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: euroshmetic rare naked choke. He stopped Jamie Malarkey in round

1510
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: two with punches, and then he guillotine Riddell in the

1511
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: first round forty five seconds.

1512
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 5: That was yeah. Yeah, he's on a great run. He's

1513
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:55,959
Speaker 5: on a great run.

1514
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 4: The only question is how's he going to deal with

1515
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 4: the scrambling in the attacks of a guy like Amro

1516
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 4: who is just utterly different than Dan Hooker, just completely different.

1517
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 5: It's a better fight. It's a much better I find

1518
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 5: though it is. Yes, it's a tougher fight.

1519
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 3: I don't mean to like obviously, Dan Hooker's in a

1520
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 3: different spot in his career. But now you put in

1521
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 3: a guy who you know has like real imminent he

1522
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: could imminently affect the title pishure, you know what I mean?

1523
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 5: I feel like that's always a little bit better.

1524
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: But hey, Dan Hooker is a project of reinvention. Often

1525
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 1: would you recommend an IV for him to turn things around?

1526
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1527
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: Too soon to work on into the material.

1528
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 5: I don't think it's too soon, right, Jesus take the wheel.

1529
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is, when you know, when John

1530
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: Stark shot three of eighteen in game six, you know

1531
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: against the Rockets or game seven, did he stop trying Luke?

1532
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: Did he stop trying to you know.

1533
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 5: Keept shooting?

1534
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 4: I mean, the team lost, but you know, well, if

1535
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 4: he went three for sixteen, he definitely didn't stop. He

1536
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 4: just didn't he our last, but not least on this

1537
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 4: main card. How about this one? And this is one

1538
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 4: thing that we did not do a lot of on

1539
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 4: our twenty twenty three preview, which you know we're just

1540
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 4: talking about anyway. But Bo Nickel Bow Nickel in the

1541
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 4: role he's to play. He takes on Jamie Pickett's first

1542
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 4: UFC fight. It was supposed to happen in a couple

1543
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 4: of months ago. It pushed it back to here he

1544
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 4: opens the main card. Yeah, you know, Jamie Pickets about

1545
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 4: to catch a beating, Like, oh yeah, it seems like

1546
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 4: a nice guy, but he's being fed to the lions here.

1547
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 5: I mean, what is the upside for for for Bonnicchol?

1548
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: Here?

1549
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, does this feel like the Aaron

1550
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: Peako arrives all over again? Like in terms of the

1551
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 1: momentum and the feeling of like the moment is now?

1552
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 4: It's no, because Aaron Pico didn't have any MMA fights

1553
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 4: when he made his debut in New York.

1554
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was so well known in all the sports.

1555
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: Pro debut but all the sports of his discipline, he

1556
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: was so well known, and there was that hype when

1557
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: you have seen.

1558
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 3: Bo Nicol make the transition. He is fucking these bits.

1559
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: And then then then what does this feel like right now?

1560
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: Because it feels special.

1561
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 3: It feels like that feels special, And I think part

1562
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 3: of it is just he's a Polish personality. He's been

1563
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 3: through so many spotlights already a thousand times. He's already

1564
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 3: won three what three national times titles and like you

1565
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 3: saw him the way he comported on the Contender series,

1566
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 3: just he's already polished. He feels like he's already Yeah,

1567
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 3: it's like he's everything about him seems like he's a

1568
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 3: veteran and he believes in himself, and you know, he

1569
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 3: is kind of a playing the game from elevation. Even

1570
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 3: as he's picking his shots and stuff, he just has

1571
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 3: all it's all upside. So I feel like if he

1572
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 3: goes in there and does it, he's going to know

1573
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 3: exactly how to handle it and parlay it into the

1574
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 3: next thing. And that's always what the Conmorc Gregor school

1575
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,959
Speaker 3: was right, Like you keep planting seeds, you escalate the stakes. Yeah,

1576
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 3: keep going. I mean, tell odds makers that they're stupid,

1577
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 3: you know, like for for making you only a minus

1578
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 3: twelve hundred or whatever it is. You know, like favorite,

1579
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like he plays the game

1580
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 3: the whole way. He speaks to everybody.

1581
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,479
Speaker 4: If the UFC plays it right and keeps him active

1582
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 4: and he keeps doing the bow Nickel show, he can

1583
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 4: have four fights by the end of that year and

1584
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 4: being a that's what they should be different.

1585
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 3: Dude.

1586
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 2: Before his pro debut, he was talking about put me

1587
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: in there with the champ out of Sonia before the

1588
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 2: upset obviously, but still like he was like already publicly

1589
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: talking about it.

1590
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 3: I mean, if they put him against that, yeah, but

1591
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 3: they all do.

1592
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 4: Like Roll Ross's Junior is like I'm gonna be Banty

1593
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 4: champion in a year, and it's like I doubt that.

1594
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 5: I doubt that Ross Junior was thirteen.

1595
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 3: By the way, last time John Jones finished an opponent.

1596
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, well that sort out.

1597
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 5: That's been a minute, That's all I'm trying to.

1598
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 4: Say in any case, So, like I get the youthful

1599
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 4: exuberance is the thing that he was there, but like

1600
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 4: given his just given his track record in folk style

1601
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 4: and then what he did on the Contender, oh my god,

1602
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 4: it was frightening to watch him.

1603
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 3: It was these guys up, well, he knows and who

1604
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 3: trains with guys too, you know, like his training party tea.

1605
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 3: So I mean, but he knows the minute he gets

1606
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 3: you into his world, you're in trouble. And that's a

1607
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 3: great confidence to have, right, been asking a guy by

1608
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 3: way that for a long time, Like for guys that

1609
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 3: were just there, this dude is like, right, ask her

1610
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 3: who can punch your right exactly. That's why I'm trying

1611
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 3: to say, like there aren't a lot of weaknesses yet,

1612
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 3: I mean that have been identified, but his sublime area

1613
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 3: is the place he's going to take.

1614
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: Remember when you were a kid in like your younger

1615
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: cousin who was like a female, would have like our

1616
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: eighth grade graduation party.

1617
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 2: Or some bullshit.

1618
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 3: You remember when it was like that For me, we had.

1619
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: To go to it and then but like the good

1620
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: thing that would happen is like a pickup game would

1621
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: break out in the driveway hoop, you know what I mean.

1622
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: It'd be like this weird like three on three or

1623
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: four on four of like an old guy and like

1624
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: a kids and like you.

1625
01:02:57,800 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 2: Know, just be like a weird mix.

1626
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: But dude, your Magic Johnson in that game, you're doing

1627
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: like all video game moves, going around.

1628
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: The back like high five.

1629
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: And that's what bon Nichols looked like cutting through this

1630
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: this Contender series.

1631
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 3: So it's like.

1632
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: It's I don't know, like when was the last time

1633
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: I felt this Hamza first couple of fights, very early pandemic,

1634
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: like oh shit, someone's someone's fruit and enjoy in the competition,

1635
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: just slicing it right through them.

1636
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 5: Although he just seems.

1637
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 4: Like came Velaska is through heavyweight in his early run. Yeah,

1638
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 4: he was terrifying.

1639
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 3: It's his handling of his station though, too. It's just

1640
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 3: how he's handling himself. Yeah, like you could tell he's

1641
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 3: playing the game and he's doing it just right. And

1642
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,439
Speaker 3: I think that's what goes like. So when you're talking

1643
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 3: about a potential star, I think he's got that arf.

1644
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 4: He guy's been talking to local media, you know, since

1645
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 4: he was in middle school, right.

1646
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 2: But how's his how's his boxing? And how's his chin?

1647
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:49,040
Speaker 2: Do we know any?

1648
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 4: Well, we don't know much because he doesn't get pushed,

1649
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 4: so there is a ton of unanswered.

1650
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 3: It won't be the way in which he looks good

1651
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 3: so far everywhere.

1652
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 4: And this is the other part too, the way he

1653
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 4: quickly chains attacks together, specially from different dimensions, punching into

1654
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 4: triangles and everything else.

1655
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 3: Like it's just quick.

1656
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:08,959
Speaker 4: Everything is fast, hard nosed, delivered with authority. It's like, fuck, dude,

1657
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 4: take it easy like he is. Everything is so razor sharp. Yeah, yeah,

1658
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 4: you're right, dude. How does he look after two rounds

1659
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 4: of you fumbling that tiger thick all over your balls?

1660
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 5: I don't know, but.

1661
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 2: Haven't spilled the drop of this, Okay, except for the.

1662
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 5: One you just cleaned up right worse dam gonna catch that?

1663
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 3: He?

1664
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he won't be the story John Jones, Winner

1665
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,479
Speaker 1: Lose will be the story come out of this card.

1666
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: But if he gets a quick and effortless finish, you can't.

1667
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: How do you slow roll him? Can you slow roll them?

1668
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1669
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 4: No, The only question is what guys will agree to fight?

1670
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 4: So he wants he doesn't want to slow roll. No,

1671
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 4: he wants to go right into the big fights. But

1672
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 4: if the UFC's smart, I would just let him, because

1673
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 4: I think the appeal for him is big enough right

1674
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 4: now for him to go through a couple of Jordan

1675
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 4: Levitz right like that type. Just build him up a

1676
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 4: little bit, you know what I mean.

1677
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: Joseph Gordon Lovett five hundred Days of Summer underrated like

1678
01:04:58,520 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: rom com movie.

1679
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does this, he does this.

1680
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 5: I have to check it out.

1681
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 3: How's the tiger thick?

1682
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 5: You fucking pretty good?

1683
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 3: He's drinking more than you have.

1684
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do have to.

1685
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: We have another shoot after this, so I've got a

1686
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,800
Speaker 1: sip it or I'd be a little sloppy, but I can't.

1687
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 2: I can't talk bad about it.

1688
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm not a whiskey guy in it, and you know

1689
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: it burns me a little, Luke.

1690
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 2: It's like having VD in your chest popcaf BacT.

1691
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 5: Like having venereal disease in your chest.

1692
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 2: Burns, it burns, you know.

1693
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 3: All right? Well on that now it sounds like he's

1694
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 3: drinking enough at least, all right.

1695
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: Quickly, Cody Garbrent's back in the prelim featured about on ESPN,

1696
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: and it's back at bantamweight. He has lost one four

1697
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: or five four by by stoppage.

1698
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 5: It's tough.

1699
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: What do we what do we feel about the where

1700
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: he's in, the winnability the only fight he didn't get fucked?

1701
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 2: What's it malarkey? No, no, no, no, no, it's sorry,

1702
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 2: it's it's Trevon Jones bandam. Wait about he?

1703
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: He went the distance against Rob font dig Gardbrandt, but

1704
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: he got to stop by everybody else outside of the

1705
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: one finish against us on Where is he?

1706
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 2: Where?

1707
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: Like?

1708
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: Where is Cody right now?

1709
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1710
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 4: It's probably a similar place to Derek Louis Snow what

1711
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 4: am I saying?

1712
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 5: Rays to Dominic Race? Oh, probably a similar place to that,

1713
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 5: I think you.

1714
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 3: I think there are probably some irresolvable issues. That's what

1715
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 3: it seems like to me. It's weird with him. I

1716
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 3: mean it's actually that's a pretty similar thing. I think

1717
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 3: that the UFC would really banked on Garbrandt being a guy,

1718
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 3: especially after Dominant Cruise, because it all fell apart after

1719
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 3: the Dominant Cruse bewitchery that he showed us where he

1720
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 3: went in there and just schooled him. He was incredible

1721
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 3: and it was like the Dila Shaw thing. Yes, and

1722
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 3: it's like, for whatever reason though, from that point on,

1723
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just like vertigo right, just didn't get right. Yeah.

1724
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 3: And every time you see him now kind of bite

1725
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 3: down and start to throw, it's like that WinCE moment.

1726
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 5: You're like, oh boy, here we go.

1727
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 3: Because he keeps getting caught right away and the types

1728
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 3: of exchanges. I mean, I don't know how this one

1729
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 3: to goes. I feel like they're giving him a guy.

1730
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 3: I think that the US Trevin is coming off of

1731
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 3: like three losses himself. I mean, they're trying to get

1732
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 3: him a get right fight, but.

1733
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't survive much more.

1734
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 3: This might be this m.

1735
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 4: Even if he wins this, which he might, you know,

1736
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 4: is realistically building back at flyweight or bantam weight. Does

1737
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 4: it seem realistic to anybody? Doesn't seem very realistic to me. No,

1738
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 4: it doesn't not happen. I mean, I already it's a

1739
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 4: few fights ago. Man, I mean, you're just I don't

1740
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 4: know what it is. You've talked to him like, it's

1741
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 4: just he's a nice guy. He's a nice guy.

1742
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 5: But something went wrong there. I don't know what it was, man.

1743
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 3: I just don't think he I think he had a

1744
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 3: style where when he could knuckle guys into the dirt

1745
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:38,919
Speaker 3: without really paying for his chin.

1746
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 4: He was just happy to do it. But you have

1747
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 4: to correct the mistakes right way. He never really built

1748
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 4: in defensive sensibility.

1749
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: He just looked like a different fighter against Cruiz, like

1750
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: the ability to carry out a game plan, stay disciplined.

1751
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 4: Coaches they'll tell you that they had a good game

1752
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 4: plan for that one that he followed. In that sense,

1753
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 4: then he just has not been.

1754
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 2: You can see that he gets lured.

1755
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 3: Munno's fight wasn't a page Munis when a. I think

1756
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 3: they were trying to be patient and immediately he got

1757
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 3: hit with something. Then you could just see it in

1758
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 3: his eyes, like I'm going to take his head off,

1759
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 3: and then as soon as he did that.

1760
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 5: It was like bam, he was He is a hard hitter,

1761
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 5: so that go. Well.

1762
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I mean I just feel like, you know,

1763
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 4: he might be to win here. It' certainly possible, but

1764
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 4: I just don't believe a reformation project is there?

1765
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 2: Is there a second life as a as a wrestler

1766
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 2: first leaning into that and getting away more from the

1767
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 2: I'm coming out there to throw big and eat big.

1768
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 3: And if that's the only question he could answer, I couldn't.

1769
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 5: And that's it right in that sense. A bad one.

1770
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 2: Chase that high sea right.

1771
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 5: Chase that high seat, break run that pipe?

1772
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 3: All right, Chuck. Where can folks find your work? I

1773
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 3: think that's it. At the myth to dot com m

1774
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 3: I t H. I do some writing there. I do

1775
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 3: a podcast with your boy Ariol Howane over at the

1776
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 3: Ringer MVA, Cheryl too and Pizza Carroll. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1777
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 3: hey see he's gonna like that because he thinks you're

1778
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 3: he I don't know what.

1779
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: Can I get a ten second talk on Derek Brunson

1780
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 1: versus kas Yes, very quickly, there's.

1781
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 2: A good another good middleweight prelim about.

1782
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 4: It Dricks takes a lot of risks he does. He's

1783
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 4: like a big lumbering at a lot of liberties. Derek

1784
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 4: Brunson might, it's hard to see, hard to say.

1785
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 2: Do we know if he's back on the Cisco blonde hair.

1786
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 5: No, No, it's a good question.

1787
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 3: I do not.

1788
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 2: Blonde Brunson has like, yeah, he's got a higher ceiling.

1789
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 5: That's true. He has looked better with the blonde hair. Brian,

1790
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 5: anything you want.

1791
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 8: To plug, I mean, I can't say that all loud, right,

1792
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 8: all right, he didn't say anyone on that note.

1793
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 3: That's Brian Campbell, check Hall on Luke Thomas.

1794
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 4: This has been your UFC two eighty five pre game

1795
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 4: preview for Morning Combat.

1796
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Speaker 5: Enjoy the fights, fuckers,