1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, baby, is this an emergency trade for us? 2 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 2: It is? You bet, it's the time of season. I'm 3 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: tas mellis with me. It's a man in the middle 4 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 2: of Trey Krby heo, heo. It's an ao in the 5 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: question form, a little bit. 6 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 3: Of a question because yeah, this is titled an emergency podcast, 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 3: but tass, this is more like an urgent podcast to me. 8 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 3: The difference between going to the emergency room or going 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 3: to urgent care, Like, we can't really wait till Thursday 10 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 3: on this one. But it also isn't worth firing up 11 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: everything for an emergency podcast, nor making a whole day 12 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: of it. So this is an urgent podcast as far 13 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: as I'm concerned, and a might go down in history. 14 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 3: Is our shortest standalone episode. I don't know how many 15 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: thoughts you have on Jordan Pool and CJ McCollum, but 16 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear. 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: It's a great description of what this is urgent because 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: it's a trade in a bad way, discussion in a 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 2: bad way, so it's you know, urgent slash emergency. I 20 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: could see this trade being in an er for sure, 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: because I'm a little confused as to what this is, 22 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: so let's break it down. The big names. Jordan Poole 23 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: going to New Orleans along with Sadik Bay and a 24 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 2: number forty pick in this draft. Going the other way, 25 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: CJ McCollum, Kelly Olinik and a future second round pick. 26 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: So no monstrous names that are really going to change 27 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: what these two teams are next year. But if they 28 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: do trade, change anything trade, it's probably in a negative way. 29 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: So I'll let you start. Give me your thoughts on 30 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: these two teams exchanging mainly Pool for McCallum. 31 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of trading very similar players, just of different ages. 32 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: I guess start from it. On the Washington side, CJ. 33 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: McCollum has come closer to make you an all star team, 34 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: I think than Jordan Pool. The Pool does have a championship. 35 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: I think we're seeing with the Wizards with this trade 36 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 3: with Chris Middleton trade during the middle of last season, 37 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 3: with bringing in Marcus Smart the middle of last season, 38 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: the same way they brought in Broggeden at the beginning 39 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 3: of the year. I think what we're seeing in Washington 40 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: is veteranizing, right. They're bringing in these good veteran guys. 41 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 3: Chris Middleton is a winner, Marcus Smart is a gritty 42 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 3: defensive player. 43 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: CJ. 44 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 3: McCollum is a great locker room guy to get around 45 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 3: in an absolute bucket as well. Even Kelly Olynnok kind 46 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 3: of fits the mold of a guy that their youngsters 47 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 3: can really learn from. Furthermore, these contracts are all lining 48 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 3: up nicely for the end of the twenty five twenty 49 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: six season, so we're talking about next year. The Wizards 50 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 3: are gonna have a ton of cap space. I think 51 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: Katz was projecting something like one hundred plus million dollars 52 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 3: in cast spaces. They have very few deals on the 53 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 3: books after this coming season, so this is pretty similar 54 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: to that for the Wizards. They're getting off Jordan Poole's 55 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 3: contract one year early, getting a similar style player in CJ. McCollum, 56 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: a guy who can score without the ball and who 57 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: thrives with the ball. Surely, like with Middleton, like with 58 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: Marcus Smart, they've got to be hoping that these guys 59 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: are able to recoup some value maybe at the trade deadline, 60 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: and bring in some more assets for trades and future 61 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 3: stuff for the Wizards. I assume that's the thinking here, 62 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: because it seems like a lateral move. If we're talking 63 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 3: about CJ McCollum and Jordan Poole. I don't know, thirty 64 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: four years at the beginning of next season for CJ. 65 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: And twenty six years old only for Jordan Poole. So definitely, 66 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: the Wizards are getting a little bit older. You know, 67 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: they've been at the bottom of the East Conference for 68 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 3: a few seasons now. They want to at least start 69 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: putting the building blocks of becoming a real team going forward, 70 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 3: So I understand the move from their part. 71 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: CJ. 72 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 3: McCollum definitely a more steady, veteran presence than Jordan Poole. 73 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: Though once we get into the New Orleans side of things, 74 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: you're gonna be disappointed because I'm on Jordan Poole island, buddy. 75 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess that's why a lot of people 76 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: here in the stream team are asking what are the 77 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: Wizards doing in that they're getting older, as you said, 78 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: and getting rid of the guy who's definitely got If 79 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: you're gonna talk about potential, the more potential to have 80 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: a long NBA career in Jordan Poole, and just to 81 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 2: have more years because he's way younger. That being said, 82 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: I created a banner for this show that says, what 83 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: are the Pelicans doing? And there it is because I'm 84 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: confused obviously. For for me, the Wizards are just getting 85 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: rid of Jordan Poole, sunk cost, get out of here. 86 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: They had a two year experiment, it did not go well, 87 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: and I just find it difficult for the Pelicans to 88 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: really think that this is going to help their locker 89 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: room help who they are I again, more potential, sure, 90 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 2: but really you're taking on a longer deal, arguably a 91 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: worse player. I know Jordan Poole is extremely talented, but 92 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: sEH mccollm at least got it done. I'm just I'm 93 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: not sure. I think it's a longer deal. And see, 94 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: and Jordan Poole just has not had a good two years. 95 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: And so that's the confusing part for me. It was 96 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 2: a short experiment. And for them to say, the Wizards 97 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 2: to say, this guy's getting paid, you know, around thirty three, 98 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 2: thirty one and thirty four million dollars, that's not a 99 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: lot in today's NBA guaranteed money. And for them to 100 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: say no, thank you, that means they are done with 101 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: the Jordan Poole experiment completely. And so that's just a 102 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: terrible sign a terrible sign for the Pelicans because I 103 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: just don't think that this was a smart move by 104 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: their new front office saying we're given a shot on 105 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: Jordan Pool to change who we are. Really, I mean, 106 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: the last year a ton of injuries. They won actually 107 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: forty nine games the year before that. But do they 108 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: think they're just going to turn this thing around with 109 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: Pool and Sadik Bay who now their front office, Joe 110 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: Dumars and Troy Weaver. I understand why Troy Weaver is 111 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: doing this. He loves Sadik Bay. And did he draft Bay? 112 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: He did? He did? He drafted him in Joy. Here 113 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: there is a Troy Weaver Sadik Bay loop here. Troy 114 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: Weaver got him in Detroit, then he trade him to Atlanta. 115 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: Then he was a senior advisor in Washington. He signed 116 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: him in Washington, helped out there, and now is Jim's 117 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: the Pelicans come on back, baby. So it's a wild loop. 118 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: I think those two guys Pool and Sadik Bay just 119 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: aren't going to add A time. I was here in Atlanta. 120 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: I know you were trade to to watch Sadik Bay 121 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 2: they give up five second round picks for and he 122 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: really just is unable to stay in front of anybody defensively. 123 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: He's just lost on that end, and so we're going 124 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: to see a lot of that in New Orleans. He's 125 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: not going to help out there, and so I just 126 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: think this is a risk that you you're I guess 127 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: you're taking because you think you can turn Jordan Pool around. 128 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: I really don't get what the idea is. Wouldn't you 129 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: rather have the freedom of one year and one year 130 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: to be able to say we got some cap space. 131 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: Now they have to take on the thirty one and 132 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: thirty four million dollars in two years along with two 133 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: years of Sadik Bay, which is way cheaper. It's tiny. 134 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: It's like six and a half and seven million instead 135 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 2: of an expiring CJ. McCollum and an expiring Kelly Olinik 136 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: at thirteen. So that's forty three million dollars that you 137 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: could have expiring. Instead, here we go. We're going to 138 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: Jordan Poole era, And that's kind of confusing to me. 139 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: But I could be I could be deemed an idiot 140 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: because Jordan Poole could relive I suppose what he did 141 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: in a better environment with Golden State. But I just 142 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: don't see that happening in New Orleans where they're already 143 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: amidst all these problems. It doesn't seem like they got 144 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 2: it together, so it doesn't seem like Jordan Poole's gonna 145 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: come fix it. 146 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 3: I don't think cap space means a lot for the Pelicans. 147 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: They're not a free agency destination and they've got more 148 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 3: problems to figure out than what free agents they're bringing in. 149 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 3: Are they keeping guyon Williamson? You know, it's one extra 150 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: year of contract, And for the Wizards, they value the 151 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: cap space. I don't know that they're gonna sign anybody 152 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 3: either or just maybe get used for leverage. Personally, I'm 153 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: taking Jordan Poole over CJ. McCollum at this point in 154 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 3: their career. He's eight years younger. Pool is coming off 155 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 3: a season where he had career highs and points, assists, 156 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: steals three point percentage. I'm not saying he's a great 157 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: veteran leader, but he wasn't a joke this season? Correct, Yeah, okay, 158 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 3: but I mean yeah, but how often are the Pelicans 159 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 3: actually doing anything in the Western Conference with CJ. McCollum 160 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 3: leading the way. This guy has always hurt and he 161 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 3: has taken a step back. He's at the end of 162 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: his career, where at least Pool maybe he can get 163 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: a little bit of rehabilitation down in New Orleans. I 164 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: do not love the fit with de Jonte Murray and 165 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: Zion Williamson. Sadiq Bay doesn't really factor into things for me. 166 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 3: He's like, at best a third wing for this Pelicans team. 167 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 168 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 3: I don't mind rolling the dice on Pool. I still 169 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 3: think he's a talented player. There are not a lot 170 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: of us here on Pool Island, but I like the 171 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: way he plays with the ball. I think he's a 172 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 3: good shooter off the ball as well. One extra year 173 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 3: of contract, for sure, that's gonna be interesting for the Pelicans, 174 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: But I don't know. I thought Pool was actually pretty 175 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 3: decent for the Wizards last season, even though the Wizards 176 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 3: didn't do literally anything in the Eastern Conference, literally the 177 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: worst team. But I like the way he plays. I 178 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 3: like the highlights for Jordan Poole. He's a big cat guy, 179 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: so I think that's got kind of nice as well. 180 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: This to me, people were saying it on Twitter, it 181 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: felt like everybody else was making trades. So these teams 182 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: are like that seems pretty cool, let's get it on 183 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: the trade game, and maybe they were just getting bored. 184 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 3: I don't know, but I think it's kind of I 185 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 3: wouldn't call it a win win or a lose lose, 186 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: kind of a what what for both teams. But if 187 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 3: you're talking player for player, give me Pool over CJ McCollum. 188 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: That's I think what a lot of people are feeling too. 189 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: This guy obviously can drop forty and no one would 190 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: be surprised. Sadiq Ba has dropped fifty in this league 191 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 2: and that was a special special day. It's more I 192 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: think a long term view that the Pelicans should be 193 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: taking Dumars Weaver coming to this front office and they 194 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: make the choice to go with these guys have who 195 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: have two years guaranteed, rather than being able to see 196 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: what they've got this year and be able to trade 197 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: these expiring deals and then move on next year. As 198 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: they move on from CJ mccollumck who is a great 199 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: locker room guy, and would move on from Kelly Olinik again, 200 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 2: a great locker room guy who they've traded for Pool 201 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: and Bay who are not in general. I mean, I 202 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: am a Jordan Pool fan. I wanted to see what 203 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 2: he did in Washington. Came off the bench for a 204 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: while for Brian Keith, and things were all right in 205 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: year number one and year number two. He obviously scored 206 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 2: and did those things, but it just seemed like the 207 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 2: chemistry that he and Kyle Kuzma to start the season, 208 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: and the young guys who came in obviously did fairly well, 209 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: but they got rid of Kuzma, I believe, because things 210 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: were tending to fall apart there a little bit. And 211 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: I think that's why the Warriors or excuse me that 212 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 2: Wizard said we're ready to move on from the Pool era, 213 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: and I said warriors because I was thinking of what 214 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 2: the Warriors had to attach to Pool to get him 215 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: to Washington. And they attached the first round pick, So 216 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: Washington's got to be pretty excited that all they had 217 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: to attached was a four pick to get him to 218 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 2: New Orleans. I'm interested to see what he can do there, 219 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: but I just I am a little bit not worried 220 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: worries to the wrong word. I mean, I will be 221 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: watching it as a spectator just to see how those 222 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: guys in the locker room get along. Are they going 223 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: to be able to jive together. That's that's something to 224 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 2: me I do not expect in New Orleans. 225 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 3: Who's the leader for the Pelicans. 226 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 2: It's a great question. Probably the guy who doesn't play Zion. 227 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: I guess. 228 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the problem is that their main guy is 229 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: unreliable at this point. Even Dejontay Murray was out of 230 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 3: the lineup for the majority of last season, broke his 231 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 3: hand in Game one against the Bulls, came back and 232 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: got hurt once again. So yeah, maybe if Pool is 233 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 3: the number one guy, the number one veteran there, it's 234 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: not going perfectly. But if he's the third guy, I 235 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 3: don't think it's all that bad, and who knows if 236 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: he's able to steady his game. I think this could 237 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 3: end up being decent for New Orleans to turn CJ 238 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: McCollum and expiring contract. You're not getting anything better for 239 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 3: CJ McCollum at this point in his career. He's got 240 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 3: such a big deal. There's not a lot of players 241 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 3: that match up to him salary wise. I don't think 242 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 3: anybody's gonna trade a first round pick for him. I 243 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 3: might be proven wrong at the deadline, because surely the 244 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: Wizards would trade him in the future. If if somebody 245 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 3: is going to give up a first round pick at 246 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 3: the trade deadline. But I kind of think this is 247 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: just odd for both teams. I mean c J. McCollum 248 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: to Jordan Poole, there's just such similar guys, you know, 249 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 3: like you don't want them to be your number one 250 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 3: ball handler, but they can be in a pinch if 251 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: some guys are out of the lineup. You don't necessarily 252 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 3: want them to be your leading scorer, but there are 253 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 3: gonna be nights when either of them are leading scorers. 254 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 3: That's just weird. I think maybe the biggest, like the 255 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 3: biggest secondary piece is Kelly Olinock. The shooting is gonna 256 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: probably help the Wizards, though you know, Kelly Olinock has 257 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: been traded to a lot of different teams and everybody's 258 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: always like, oh, that shooting is gonna help, and guess what, 259 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: it never really helps that much. The guys a backup man, 260 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: but he can help on the inside. The Wizards have 261 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: ball handlers already in Middleton, Bub Carrington, Marcus Smart, So 262 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 3: I don't necessarily know how CJ. Fits in there, But 263 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 3: it was the same with Jordan Poole. How does he 264 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 3: fit in there? I don't know, just interesting stuff. Sometimes 265 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 3: you just got to trade guards. 266 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you trade a guard here in CJ. McCollum, 267 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: who's I think the vice president of the NBA PA 268 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: along with Kelly Olinik, as you said, who's very old 269 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: and he can pass the ball and he'll do that 270 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: for all the young guys in Washington. But unfortunately he's 271 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: kind of slow on the defensive end. So he'll be 272 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: a guy really, you know, a poor man's Isaiah Hartenstein. 273 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: I suppose who just will'd be giving it everywhere and 274 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: just getting the young guys involved. I think I would 275 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 2: just rather take that one year experiment of those two 276 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: guys versus the two year experiment of what they have 277 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: in New Orleans and guys who are injured, plus a 278 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: pool experiment in a very very tough Western conference. So 279 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure Dumars and Weavers are saying, this guy is talented, 280 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: we can get him in here, maybe we can change 281 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: it up. But there's just there's too many working parts, 282 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 2: there's too many variables in that New Orleans soccer room 283 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: to be excited about. So I'm impressed that we got 284 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: to fifteen minutes or so. You know, I think it's 285 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: pretty equivalent to what we did when Cam Reddish was traded. 286 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: I think I'm guessing. 287 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 3: That was an emergency podcast cam Reddish, who was even 288 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: traded for. 289 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: To Knicks to Knicks. Yeah, it was a first round pick, 290 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: I think. I think it was Charlotte's first round pick 291 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: that the Knicks had that was going went to Atlanta, 292 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: I think. And that's it. There's no other guys to 293 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: talk about. 294 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 3: There wasn't even another guy in the trade that we 295 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 3: did an emergency podcast for. That must have been a 296 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: slow trade season. 297 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: Wasn't there a Kevin Knox involved? Maybe maybe maybe a 298 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: Kevin Knox involved. So I'm impressed we got to fifteen minutes? 299 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: Is there is there? Is there? One last thing? Is 300 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: there a chance that either one of these teams sniffs 301 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 2: a plan? I mean you'd probably think, I. 302 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: Mean, New Orleans is a lot closer than Washington is. 303 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 3: New Orleans has a guy who can be a top 304 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: five player in the NBA if he's healthy and motivated 305 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: every single night. Zion is unstoppable when he plays, and 306 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: he's got shooting outside of him with Pool and all 307 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: the different wings they have in Trey Murphy in Herb Jones. 308 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: Assuming these guys both stick around though they've been in 309 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: trade talks. But uh, I mean New Orleans is a 310 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: lot closer to making any sort of postseason appearance than 311 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: the Wizards are. The Wizards one eighteen games last year, 312 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: and that was an improvement on fifteen wins. 313 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's the East baby, they won fifteen the 314 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: East baby. Yeah, yeah, they went fifteen two years ago. 315 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: And now CJ McCollum could be bouncing this team up 316 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 2: even higher than what they did last year, which was eighteen. 317 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they could win. I think right now 318 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 3: the Wizards could win up to twenty three games. Pretty 319 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 3: exciting times in Washington. It does kind of indicate to 320 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 3: me maybe they're looking at Ace Bailey, you know, just 321 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 3: somebody to come in and take a whole bunch of shots. 322 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,719 Speaker 3: He's looking for kind of like a star making place 323 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 3: where there's not a lot of names in front of 324 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 3: him who are going to be getting all the touches. 325 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 3: I mean, CJ's a high usage guy, but he is 326 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: more of a sidekick kind of player than Pool sometimes 327 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: wants to be the lead dog for sure. So maybe 328 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 3: this means they're looking at Ace Bailey going forward. I 329 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 3: don't know. To me, this is all table setting for 330 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: the Wizards on their draft picks, and then certainly going 331 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 3: into the trade deadline, they'll be active with all these 332 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 3: vets who might have more value to contending teams. And 333 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 3: then of course they're going to be very active in 334 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 3: the free agency market in twenty twenty six. 335 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 2: A quick circle back, it was Kevin Knox with a 336 00:17:55,359 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: first round pick for Camradish and Solomon Hill and a 337 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: second round pick. Now that first round pick I don't 338 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: think it conveyed at all because it was conditional. So 339 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: really was Kevin Knox for Camradish essentially, Thanks Esh for 340 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: the heads up here, and I guess there was guys 341 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 2: involved that we talked about. We probably talked about Solomon Hill. 342 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 2: I mean he started playoff. 343 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 3: Games, so he hurt Lebron at one point in time. 344 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 2: Good callback, great callback. All right, We will likely be 345 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: back Thursday in the studio to talk about the first 346 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: night of the draft, barring any other emergency podcasts which 347 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 2: are required like this one. But for now, Clipper bros. 348 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 3: You heard it here first. Have a great time, turn up, 349 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 3: Love you guys awesome, thanks for joining us, and remember 350 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 3: urgent podcasts are the new emergency Podcast. 351 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 2: They're so hot right now. Talk to you guys soon.