WEBVTT - Make America Sane Again 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.319 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to book a f Daily 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:18.959 with Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks. 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:27.600 You know, yesterday I found myself really just I guess 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:32.600 swimming in nostalgia would be the phrase that I will use. 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.400 And it was because for the first time in five years, 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:41.240 President Obama, former President Obama, went to the White House. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.000 And you know, I will tell you that for me, 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:50.600 the image, the last image that we saw of the 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:58.560 Obama's leaving the White House in twenty seventeen after the 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:04.520 inauguration of Satan to become President of the United States, 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:09.360 was a devastating day. And it was devastating I think 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.600 for you know, tens of millions, if not hundreds of 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:18.680 millions of Americans. Right the idea that we could have 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:26.960 experienced the historic administration eight year term of Barack Obama 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:32.400 to then hand the keys of America to a adamant, 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:40.240 vocal white supremast islamophobe, homophobe, transphobe, misogynist, criminal piece of 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:45.880 shit is what was daunting. And I think that we 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:54.600 spent you know, following that moment of just disbelief. I 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:59.200 think it's taken the last five years for us to 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:03.680 really wrap our minds around what this country has been 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.000 through and what Republicans have taken this country through. And 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.359 what I find so troubling is that it, to me, 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:14.840 is just so fucking obvious how dangerous the Republican Party 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:19.280 has become. It is so obvious to me that we 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:26.080 are dealing with an unhinged cult that has no moral fiber, 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:32.440 that has no value set, that is pretty much using 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:40.840 guerrilla style political warfare in order to stake their claim 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:46.880 to power, that they have no thoughts on relinquishing, whether 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:52.839 it's through election or not. And when I saw Obama, 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.160 you know, standing at the podium in the White House, 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.880 and you know, he was there to discuss the twe 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.320 your anniversary of the Affordable Care Act, and to remind 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:10.040 Americans that when the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare was rolled out, 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:14.880 that there was such opposition because Republicans who were in 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:20.960 the pockets of big farm as are many Democrats, namely 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.240 Kirsten Cinema, who sits in the Senate, but remind you 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.799 she wasn't there at that time, but you know, to 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:35.480 think about the fact that there was such grave opposition 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:40.920 to providing Americans with quality healthcare to set up a 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:48.360 situation where insurance companies, right, we're not able to squeeze 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:53.640 Americans and American families into a position where they would 0:03:53.680 --> 0:04:00.160 have to make a choice between getting healthcare and I'm 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.400 putting food on their table. And I know that we 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.040 say these things, and for a lot of folks it 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:09.160 just sounds like a talking point, but it really isn't. Right. 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:14.360 Like people, more people than not in this country have 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:20.480 gone fucking bankrupt because of medical bills. That if you 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.680 do not have health insurance and something happens to you, 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.240 or you have shitty health insurance and something happens to 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.440 you and you end up in the hospital for an 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:37.080 indiscriminate amount of time, you are fucked, right will you 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:41.240 may have wished that whatever illness, whatever accident took you 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.880 in there, took you all the way the fuck out 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.240 by the time that you come out, and you see 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:50.880 that now you're swimming in six figure debt. Right. So, 0:04:51.680 --> 0:05:00.000 it was a real triumph for America to start slowly 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:05.920 to implement this imperfect policy of the ACA, to begin 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:10.720 to do what other industrialized nations like Canada, our neighbor 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:16.960 above us, has been doing for decades, Right, I had 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:24.560 a conversation recently with a friend of mine who had 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.000 had lived in Canada for several years, had lived and 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:31.880 had worked in Canada, and she said it was mind 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:39.800 blowing that they covered everything. She goes, even acupuncture. She goes, 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:44.360 I was able to go to acupuncture, to get massages, 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:49.520 all of this preventative care. She goes, Yes, those things 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.039 were more expensive, but it was because the government was 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:57.120 paying for them. And like you being able to get 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.919 eight massages a year, right, and sages are not you know, 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.840 we of course in the United States, that's something that 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:10.040 we see as a luxury. But to get that kind 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:13.800 of body work done, to work and allow your blood 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:19.400 to flow better, to loosen your muscles, to move your ligaments, 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:25.280 to stretch your body out right, to create more fluidity, 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:31.479 more nimbleness, prevents a lot of serious injury, prevents the 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:35.600 need for there to be knee surgeries and hip replacements 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:38.240 and all of these things. So it isn't just oh 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.279 my god, because you know what Republicans would say, Oh 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.240 my god, we're going to pay for people to go 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:48.240 to the SPA, because God forbid, our tax dollars go 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:52.240 to preventative care. So that we don't spend our last 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:56.479 days and our last dollars inside of a fucking hospital, 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:02.520 right being held hostage, buy health insurance or medicaid. Right, 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:07.000 So I think that, and I say medicaid because let 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.520 me tell you something, the amount of paperwork that goes 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:14.600 into being able to get basic things covered in the 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.120 United States, like you need to have some type of 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:21.520 law degree and medical degree and accounting degree in order 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:25.880 to be able to understand, whereas in places like Canada, 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:32.040 this shit is just basic, right, Like everyone has healthcare, 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:38.800 everyone has a doctor, Like their medical bills are non 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:44.400 existent there, you know, like you see all of the benefits. 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.640 Healthcare is actually not even a health issue. It is 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:53.400 an economic imperative. And that's what former President Obama was 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.400 saying yesterday at the White House before he passed the 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:01.000 mic over to Biden. But for me, I just want 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.400 to go back to the nostalgia for a moment, because 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:15.120 there is something about Barack Obama that is so endearing, charismatic, 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:20.640 the ability to put people at ease. You know what's 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.720 funny is that I talk to you often, you all 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.960 often about disease, right, and the fact that you know 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:32.559 where does dis ease come from. It comes from not 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:38.960 being at ease, right, dis ease, right, misaligned right, not 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:45.200 at ease in agitation in a state. Right that is 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:49.400 the opposite of ease. And I don't want it to 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:54.800 be lost on people. But the ability that Obama had, 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.920 the skills that he has to be able to orerate 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:04.640 in such a casual way that is both relaxing because 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:10.360 you feel like somebody with sense and charisma and a 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:15.960 personality and strategy and thoughtfulness is at the helm. So 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.360 as I was sitting at my kitchen table watching the 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:25.079 TV behind me, I found myself being nostalgic for the 0:09:25.200 --> 0:09:30.360 feeling that he was conjuring this feeling of ease in 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:35.800 watching the news that I haven't felt in twelve fucking years. 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:41.760 And that's what dawned on me, right, Like I haven't 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:46.040 and I don't know if we have as a nation 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:52.760 felt at ease. And mind you, Obama came into office 0:09:54.240 --> 0:10:00.040 off of like the rise of the tea party, the 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:06.679 collapse of the housing market, riot, coming off of the 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:11.200 Internet bubble burst. Like there was so much at play 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:16.360 when Obama came into office, and so it's not as 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:21.000 if we were in rosy times, but they are nothing 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:27.600 incompared to the catastrophe, to the catastrophic, like consistent catastrophic 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.240 events that we have been dealing with over the past 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:35.040 five fucking years. So I sit here and I was 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:39.200 just like, man, they really need to deploy this man more, 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:47.600 right like, because it hearkens back two better times and 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.439 not the quote unquote better times that the Republicans are 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.680 trying to harken people back to when white people were 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.839 to be feared and were the authority, and men were 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.679 the authority in every single place, and so you needed 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.240 to step off sidewalks and watch what you said for 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:12.120 fear of retribution by the white CIS male authorities. And 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:16.680 so it is. It's not that going back to that 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.640 time make America great again. But I'm like, make America 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.800 fucking sane again, make America at ease again. Make me 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.679 want to believe that this country is filled with possibilities 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.840 instead of problems. The way that I feel right now 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.240 when I'm watching these rockets haul off into space and 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.800 I'm saying, how do I hitch a ride? Do you 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.600 know what I'm saying, Because that's how I'm feeling, not 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.520 only about this country, but about the planet. You had 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:49.559 general General Millie sit before Congress this week as well 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:57.559 to speak on the war in Ukraine. And this comes 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.880 off comes off of what we have seen in Bucha 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:07.920 and what President Zelinski said to the UN that Butcha 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:12.600 is just the beginning, right that if we think that 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:15.880 what we are seeing and what we are hearing about 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:21.400 rape and torture and you know, and and and people 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:27.560 being put into camps and divided from their families, and 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.400 like those that are left like this is why there 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:39.520 has been an international another another international refugee crisis with 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.520 up to three and a half or more than at 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.920 this point three and a half million people fleeing the 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:50.040 Ukraine because of the ship that we just saw in Butcha. 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:56.880 So you see this, General Millie says before Congress, I 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:03.640 have never seen in my four decades of service a 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:09.840 time when when the world has been this dangerous, that 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.120 we are looking at a threat to Europe that we 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.559 have not seen on levels since World War Two. And 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:18.640 He's like, and let us be clear that I'm not 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:24.040 just talking about the threats that Europe can sustain. I'm 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.280 talking about the fact that what is happening is a 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:33.560 threat to the United States and national security. So then 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:41.600 I think to myself self, if we are living in 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:48.720 nuclear times, okay, if we are living in nuclear times, 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:55.240 you have the general saying that the world has never 0:13:55.320 --> 0:14:01.679 been this unstable since World War Two, But you have 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:10.520 an entire American news outlet, Fox News that has hosts 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:17.439 that are promoting Kremlin talking points and telling us, don't 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.480 believe your lying eyes, but believe the lion ass words 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.200 that are coming out of my mouth, and that these 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:29.560 are doctored videos and they're fake, even though our own 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:34.680 satellites and satellites around the world are like, no, no, no, no, 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.359 this is not anybody's doctored anything. This is not staged. 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:44.880 This is Russian war crimes. Right. If we all know 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.280 this to be true, what are we going to do 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:51.560 about it? Meaning that the world is once again coming 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:56.960 together this week to decide on more sanctions, more economic sensions, 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.600 shutting down any use by any Russians, event the American 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:05.000 dollars that they are holding anywhere, We are shutting down 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:11.640 their ability to trade. Right Germany, which Germans rely a 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:16.880 lot on the wheat and the oil that comes from Russia, 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.120 and they're getting ready to sanction that. No new businesses, 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.080 no new friends like you know they're drake up in 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:32.040 this bitch. And so what I'm saying is de escalation 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:37.360 does not look like it is happening. And while we 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:43.760 can continue now forty plus days into this war where 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:47.240 we have all in forty days, if you look at 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:53.480 a split screen picture of Zelinsky in February, and you 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.960 look at a picture of him now, it looks like 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:00.560 these last forty days look like forty years on this 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:04.800 man's face. And so I say that not as like 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:09.160 a joke or a plug, but the devastation that has 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:13.720 already been caused is sees no sign of de escalating. 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.880 What it seems as if is if Russian aggression and 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:26.240 criminality is growing, what is the world going to do 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:36.360 about it? Again? Are we just trying to avoid the 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:46.120 inevitable Putin is not going to stop? And when Biden 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.280 said a couple of weeks ago, when the White House 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.560 wanted to walk back what he said, when they should 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:55.680 have just fucking stood by it, is this motherfucker needs 0:16:55.680 --> 0:17:00.160 to be removed. And I'm not just talking about from office. 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:05.560 And if the world knows that, and world leaders know that, 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:11.800 are we waiting for the execution of six millions of 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:16.320 six million. Is that the number right before the world 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.720 decides to get involved in a ward that is inevitable 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.600 that they are going to have to get involved in 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:31.120 in order to secure Europe and minimize the threats towards 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:35.680 the United States? Like, what is the game that we're 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:40.120 playing right now? That's honestly the question that I have 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.040 because there's no way that you watch this ship and 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.000 you say to yourself, oh, yeah, we'll get them in court. 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.640 Because I'm saying, how many these are not just corpses, 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.919 These are not just like, these are people's loved ones. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:18:00.359 These are grandmothers and friends and cousins and five others 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:06.760 and sisters that are being slaughtered coming from the store 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:14.879 with groceries, being tortured and raped. So how do we 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:19.040 sit back for How long do we sit back and 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:23.679 take no military action when in fact, all we do 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:28.240 it's talk talk, talk, talk about our big, bad military, 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.360 if it's so big and bad, and we're all about 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:35.560 protecting democracy except for when it's under threat in our 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.359 own country and we know that eventually we're going to 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.600 have to get involved. How many lives are we willing 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:50.640 to watch be stolen before action is actually taken? This 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.359 is the thing that I want to understand, and I 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:58.800 also want to understand why this admin ministration, excuse me, 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:03.280 this administration refuses to connect the dots between what is 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.240 happening in Ukraine at the hands of Putin and what 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:11.159 Republicans want to happen in the United States. Why it 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.159 is so difficult not to also put a target on 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.720 the back of the Tucker Carlson's of the world and 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.359 the Fox News is and how they are an extension 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.639 and an arm of the Kremlin and Putin in the 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:27.840 United States that he never had before, but thanks to 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.879 Donald Trump and Trumpism, he found his way in after 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:40.480 motherfucking decades. So how do we not tie these things 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:44.920 together to create the campaign that is necessary to wage 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:49.440 against Republicans so that we don't lose in mid terms? 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:52.600 Because here's what I'm saying, folks, And I said this 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.240 on Twitter yesterday, and I've said it on TikTok, and 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:58.560 I'll continue to say it until I'm blue in the face. 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:04.000 These are not a normal election times. We are not 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:09.040 headed into normal campaign times. We are dealing with an 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:13.640 unhinged white supremacist cult that has told us that when 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.199 they take power, they are going to impeach the current 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:20.280 president of the United States on whatever fucking grounds that 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:22.840 they make up, and then they are going after their 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:27.280 political enemies, from Hillary Clinton to Barack Obama and anyone 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:31.160 that gets in their way, they will lock them up 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.520 and throw away the key. And if you think that 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.600 I am fucking kidding that, listen to the things that 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.239 are coming out of the mouths of Lindsey Graham and 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:46.440 Ted Cruz and Mitch McConnell. They are playing for fucking keeps. 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.359 And if Democrats don't begin to connect the dots between 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.199 what is happening abroad and what is happening here and 0:20:55.280 --> 0:21:02.919 what is happening globally, we're going to be fucked. I 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:06.879 get into a deeper conversation about this and what it 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:10.679 is that we see as the Republican strategy and what 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.760 it is that Democrats can do with the time that 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.880 we have left to combat it with my friend, our 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:21.720 in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzo. That conversation is coming 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:27.919 up next, folks. As always, you know that when it 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.960 is Wednesday, we have one man, one doctor that is 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:33.040 in the chair with us on Will Gay f and 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:37.080 that is doctor Jonathan Metsol, our in house doctor and 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:44.040 the author of Dying of Whiteness Jonathan Really interesting news 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:47.879 this week to open us up is it is a 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:51.840 twelve year anniversary of the Affordable Care Act and for 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:57.600 the first time in five years, President Obama. Former President 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:01.600 Obama found himself at the White House House with President 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:07.320 Biden and with Vice President Kamala Harris to talk about 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:11.080 the Affordable Care Act and that when he left office, 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:14.840 twenty million people had been able to get insurance that 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:18.280 had not been able to get insurance before. That number 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:22.160 is now up to thirty million Americans. He also made 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:25.760 mention of the fact that over the time that the 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:30.840 Affordable Care Act was being pushed, that there was absolute 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:36.520 Republican opposition. Republicans tried and failed over sixty times to 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:39.680 get rid of Obamacare. They did nothing while they had 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:45.440 the White House under Donald Trump to make any gains 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:49.960 or to try and repeal Obamacare. What are your thoughts, 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:55.280 particularly after if we had not had Obamacare. I'll ask 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:59.760 this first, if we had not had Obamacare, what would 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:04.639 have been the ramifications of that during a global health pandemic? 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:08.840 Because I think that we don't talk enough, and particularly 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:11.840 at a time when Democrats need to really be looking 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:16.800 for wins and looking for conversation to offer with regard 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:19.199 to what they have done. Where do you think we 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:23.640 would have been as a country in twenty twenty till 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:28.440 now if Obama Care hadn't of past and we were 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:31.960 met with COVID nineteen. Well, I think it's important to 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:35.720 note that actually the Trump administration tried to destroy the 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:39.480 Affordable Cact three months into the pandemic, and so that's 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:43.919 not a hypothetical question. The Trump administration filed a brief 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:48.439 for a case in June twenty twenty that basically, just 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:52.480 to quote that brief, the entire Affordable CARECT must fall. 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:56.080 So they tried to destroy the Affordable COCT within four 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:59.840 or five months of the pandemic starting. And the other 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:02.520 thing that the Trump administration did was they didn't expand 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:06.399 medicaid in Red states as the pandemic really hit. And 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:11.040 so that's that's not a hypothetical scenario. Really. I guess 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:13.400 the flip side question I ask is how much better 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:15.920 shape would we have been if we would have expanded 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:18.800 medicaid across the entire country when the pandemic hit? And 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:20.560 I can tell you we'd been in much better shape 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.040 than we are when we are now, because it's not 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:26.440 just about medical treatment and access to medicine. The Affordable 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:30.840 Care Act also helps with medical bankruptcies, prescription drug costs, 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:35.000 preventative care, public health, all these other factors. And so 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:37.760 you know, I did a piece and I'll tweet it 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.600 out after we have this conversation. When when Trump was 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:42.879 trying to kill the ACA in June twenty twenty, I 0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:45.760 wrote a piece for US News and what I said is, 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:49.600 just look at the rate of uninsurance before the Affordable 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:53.920 Care Act for non white Americans. And the data was incredible, 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:59.639 like the number of Latino African American and particularly a 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:05.359 bi Americans, like it's unimaginable now because of the Affordable Coact, 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:10.359 that there were like forty percent of entire demographic populations 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:13.040 that didn't have health insurance at the time. And so 0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:16.840 what the Affordable Charact did first and foremost was it 0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:20.800 cut the rate of uninsurance in half or more for 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:26.399 minoritized populations and low income populations, and particularly in Blue states. 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:30.840 And so really the Affordable Coact has been on one 0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:34.560 hand of resounding success if you look at Blue states, 0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:40.120 but it's also really only half the story because really 0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:43.640 for a healthcare network to work, it's got to cover everybody, 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:47.840 and the GOP never let that happen, you know, and 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:53.040 talk to us, Jonathan two, Because again I find that 0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:58.400 the pushback that Democrats tried, I guess at the campaign 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:03.320 that Democrats tried to age as a pushback to Republicans 0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:08.520 inventing stories like death panels, inventing stories you know that 0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:11.960 that essentially were the basis of part of your book, right, 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:16.160 which is that white people were willing to not get 0:26:16.200 --> 0:26:20.840 themselves healthcare so long as like the black and brown 0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.560 people down the street, we're not going to be able 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.280 to get healthcare that they were. I mean, this is 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:29.359 this is the the was the idea around you know, 0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:33.600 integrating public swimming pools, right, it's um, we would rather 0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:35.840 our kids not swim and drain the pools that all 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:37.960 of our all of our country clubs and in all 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:42.240 of our neighborhoods as opposed to integrating them. And so 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:47.440 can you talk a bit about how the Republicans were 0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:50.040 able like what were some of the messaging, what was 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:53.679 some of the messagings that they continue to use that 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:58.640 get people to vote against their own healthcare even during 0:26:58.640 --> 0:27:01.280 a fucking pandemic. Yeah, well they're There are two parts 0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:04.639 answers to that. Of course, my entire book was about 0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.200 the It was about the second part of that question, 0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:10.080 which is, in other words, if you're if you're a 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.520 Republican strategist in the South, you all you have to 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:16.560 say are three things. Um, this is government intrusion number one. 0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:20.560 This is um, this is an assault on your own 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:24.040 freedoms and liberties number two. And black people are going 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.000 to cut in front of you inline and take resources 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:27.800 that are meant for you. You You say those three things 0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:30.560 and you get people to not wear pants basically, I mean, 0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:35.000 you just say you know it. Yes. And so that's 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:36.840 what we saw when we were doing research on the 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:39.000 Affordable character on the ground at the time, at the 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.160 time that it rolled out. The first couple of months, 0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:43.320 everybody was for it. I mean, we interviewed all these 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:46.280 conservatives who were like, man, I'm finally getting some help 0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:48.760 paying for prescription drugs and stuff like that. Like people 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:52.040 were really for it, and then they started saying those 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:54.560 three things. You remember, when ACA rolled out, there was 0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:59.000 the Obama African which doctor posters and stuff like that, 0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:05.000 and they'd creeping Uncle Sam with a speculum in the room, 0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.119 you know, doing a guyo exam on your wife and 0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:10.399 all these kind of things. And within three months, people 0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:13.280 who were supporting it, we just watched it happened like 0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:16.119 a SlowMo car wreck, you know. Um, we watched people 0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:18.680 turn and say, oh my god, this is government intrusion 0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:22.080 into my life and it's taking away freedoms and liberties. 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.280 And I think black people are going to come in 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:25.760 front of me in line and take resources that are 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:27.600 meant for me. Like it's it's just like it's like 0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:31.320 catnip in a way. And so it was just weird 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:34.840 to watch to watch that happen. Right, People supported it 0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:37.600 and then they were told not to and then they didn't. 0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.160 So that's part of it. But the flip side, of course, 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:42.200 is the other thing we always talk about here, which 0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:44.240 is that Democrats don't know the Democrats know how to 0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:48.560 play politics, right, and so just to say hey, this 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:50.880 is great, Look we're helping you all those kind of things, 0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:54.120 feel good, come by all that great, you know, Biden 0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:58.240 Obama reunion tour great. But I mean if we were Republicans, 0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:01.080 we would be turning this and it's on its head 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:03.720 right now, you know, Republicans want to kill your They 0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:06.160 want to kill your fucking grandmother, you know, you know, 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:09.120 like the Republicans are trying to kill your grandmother, or 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:11.840 the Republicans are trying to kill white people by taking 0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:14.400 away the affordable I like, you know, play some politics 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:17.200 with this stuff. Don't just message the field good stuff, 0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:20.360 um and so to development. But Jonathan, I want to 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.360 I want to go to I want to go back 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.160 to the three points that you laid out, because this 0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:29.640 is what Republicans apply to every issue, all right, right, 0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:34.560 so it's so so let's let's just reiterate it again. 0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:38.800 You said first, right, all Republican strategies have to do 0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:42.400