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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Elizabeth Dutton Zaren Brunette.

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Speaker 2: I was so waiting to see you.

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Speaker 1: I'm back, baby.

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Speaker 2: Look at you, girl, look at me. So they didn't

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Speaker 2: catch you.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it really well.

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Speaker 2: Since we're not going to talk about it, I have

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Speaker 2: done for you. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I do what. I was out hunting this down.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this is why you were gone.

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Speaker 1: I have a question for you.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're a flip it on me? I doah?

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Speaker 1: Do you like to bring side dishes to life?

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Speaker 2: You know I was happy you were back right up

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Speaker 2: till you started with this. What is the side dish

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Speaker 2: is going to change my life?

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Speaker 1: Okay? I've talked about bad tasting truffles before, and honestly,

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Speaker 1: I cannot remember what the mashup was between the food

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Speaker 1: and the truffles.

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Speaker 2: But when I heard the word truffle, I just think about.

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Speaker 1: Pigs and no, no, no, not those like earthy ones

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Speaker 1: and the chuck a lots oh yeah, with the stuff inside, and.

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Speaker 2: Those aren't the same thing as what you're telling me.

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Speaker 1: No, but one is done. Okay, Well, anyway, so I've

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Speaker 1: got bad news for you. Campbell's soup has made truffles, okay,

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Speaker 1: and they're all side dishes for Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: They should make ones that look like Andy Warhol.

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Speaker 1: Flip it if you still have Thanksgiving stuff in your fridge, pauset.

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Speaker 1: Wait really, well, we're recording this way before was like,

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, I think it's gonna come out after.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so you're talking about like last year's Thanksgiving stuff.

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Speaker 1: I should get of Thanksgiving twenty twenty, which was a

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Speaker 1: weird one because it's like most of us weren't with

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Speaker 1: our family.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: I'd assume Thanksgiving that year.

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Speaker 2: I had a hungry man dinner.

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Speaker 1: That's good. I'm happy for you. So anyway, side dishes

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Speaker 1: coming to life, reanimated, coming at you, yimd. There are

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Speaker 1: six flavors of these soup infused savory chocolate truffles. Oh wow,

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Speaker 1: green bean casserole whatavor? Yeah? It has the umami flavors

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Speaker 1: of the dish by featuring Campbell's cream of mushroom, condensed soup,

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Speaker 1: green beans, and onion infused sea salt in a dark

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Speaker 1: chocolate fudge bon bon.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's enough of that.

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Speaker 1: Bar cheddar mac and cheesegiving. Yeah, it's good. It features

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Speaker 1: Campbell's cheddar cheese soup, triple cream breejolapeno infused white chocolate

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Speaker 1: ganache in a blonde chocolate bonbon, baked corn casserole. Corn

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Speaker 1: It's got corn bread, sweet corn, cream of chicken soup,

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Speaker 1: and a white chocolate bondbon hot honey mashed sweet potatoes.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 1: So that's the perfect balance of sweet and spicy that

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Speaker 1: I And then everything bagel mashed potatoes. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: even know everything bagel mashed everything bagel.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I caught it. But still I'm wondering why.

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Speaker 1: Apple fennel herb stuffing. That's the only one that kind

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Speaker 1: of sounds all right, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: I just want to see if you're listening.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I think if you were to say what sounds

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Speaker 1: a right, I could maybe try the sweet potato one.

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Speaker 2: All right, you say so, but this because you like

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Speaker 2: sweet potato.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, they're just trying to amplify depth and sweet notes.

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Speaker 2: They said they should try a different approach, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, and it said people have mixed feelings about condensed

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Speaker 1: soup in the same bite as dark.

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Speaker 2: Chocolate sug People do one of those.

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Speaker 1: So it's available limited edition thirty five dollars for this

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Speaker 1: box of garbage Future Garbage Philip Ashley Chocolates dot com.

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Speaker 1: If you want to, if you want to live life

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Speaker 1: on the edge. All right, so that's that is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you that one. That is.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: You got a second that what you nuns? Yeah, doing crimes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I think you do too, So buckle

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Speaker 2: up there, buttercup, because I have got a hot bevy

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Speaker 2: of felonious habit clad nuns. Some on the runs I'm

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Speaker 2: on the make, others on the take all of it

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Speaker 2: though it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Yes, this is ridiculous crime. My podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 4: outrageous capers. Heis and cons It's always ninety nine percent

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Speaker 4: murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Zaren Elizabeth Darren.

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Speaker 2: You went to Catholic school.

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Speaker 1: I sure did.

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Speaker 2: I'm not telling tales inside of school now, specifically you

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Speaker 2: went to a Catholic school run by nuns. Yes, you

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Speaker 2: have a strong affinity for nuns to this day. Right,

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Speaker 2: do you have a favorite nun from school you still

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Speaker 2: think of when you're like, oh.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sister Mary Liz, Sister Mary liz Y, Sister Mary Elizabeth.

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Speaker 1: She was my orchestra instructor.

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Speaker 2: She was bonkers, so she were like miss matching socks

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Speaker 2: and no.

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Speaker 1: She wore those. She had an affinity for the you know,

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Speaker 1: like the novelty headband thing with like the springs and

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Speaker 1: something on the end. Well, she has different ones for

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Speaker 1: different different holidays. Yeah, I like her, Yeah, I really,

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Speaker 1: I dug her. She was fun.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever wonder what she's doing these days?

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Speaker 1: I don't think she's with us anymore.

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Speaker 2: Oh right, she's.

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Speaker 1: Looking down on me, judging.

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Speaker 2: Me with a smile and some springs.

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Speaker 1: Disappointed that I stopped playing the cello.

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Speaker 2: Well you you just put it down because you still alive.

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Speaker 2: You could pick it back in the future. We don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's what I was doing last week.

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Speaker 2: Oh secret news. Well I got good news for you,

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Speaker 2: because today I have stories that are all about nuns

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Speaker 2: doing crime. Nice, all right, Elizabeth. There's one thing I

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Speaker 2: like about Italy. And I should say right up from

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Speaker 2: the start when I say there's one thing I like

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Speaker 2: about Italy, this is one item in a very long list.

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Speaker 2: I have a huge lung that I like about Italy.

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Speaker 2: But the thing I like about Italy is there's a

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Speaker 2: tradition of criminals on the run as nuns hiding out

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Speaker 2: his priests, bishops. It's just so Italian.

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Speaker 1: Nuns on the run baby, exactly.

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Speaker 2: So I found the one story from twenty thirteen of

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Speaker 2: a sixty one year old drug dealer from Calabria who

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Speaker 2: would drive around in his car wearing a priest cassock.

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Speaker 2: That's the traditional tunic, right right. So he'd be selling

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Speaker 2: imported cocaine shipments from France and his idea of laying

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Speaker 2: low is like I'm addressed, like at.

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Speaker 1: The padre sells that French cocaine. So there was another

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Speaker 1: Corse's in Calabria, exactly.

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Speaker 2: You know that place is for real.

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Speaker 1: For that's you know. The greatest living Colabrian ancestry is

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Speaker 1: Sarah tacI.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, your girl, Sarah t Shout out, Sarah, Shout

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Speaker 2: out to Sarah. There was another Sicilian mafio so that

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Speaker 2: I read about named Toto Rena. That's our I I

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Speaker 2: but it looked like it was Toto Rena. His first

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Speaker 2: name is Toto I got that part Toto right. So

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Speaker 2: this cat, he would get gussied up as a priest

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Speaker 2: and go meet with other bosses from the Calabrian mob.

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Speaker 2: It was like his getting around disguise. He's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I got a meet and greet. I'm like, go throw

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Speaker 2: on the frock and then he'd roll and then he'd

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Speaker 2: show up to the meeting still dressed as a priest.

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Speaker 2: So he's sitting there at the big long walnut table

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Speaker 2: whatever with all the other coppos and he's.

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Speaker 1: Like, hey, guys, you know what you wear. The get

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Speaker 1: up long enough, they just make you into an honorary priest.

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Speaker 2: Think about it, though it's Italy. An aging priest in Italy,

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Speaker 2: that's about as common as an overall bedecked farmer in

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Speaker 2: like a gas station in Iowa. You're not gonna look twice.

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Speaker 2: It's just like it's an aging priest.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: At those same meetings, there was another mafia boss, total

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Speaker 2: Rena's boss. His name was Bernardo Provenzano, and Bernardo Provenzano

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Speaker 2: he was equally madcap with the frocks and the rosary beads.

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Speaker 2: But this dude was on the lamb for forty three years.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth forty. There was only one photo of him that existed.

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Speaker 2: It was back from like nineteen fifty nine, with some

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Speaker 2: random like mugshot that had been taken, right, so nobody

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Speaker 2: knew what this guy looked like. But he's a mob boss, right,

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Speaker 2: one of the Capo de duta cape And sometimes he'd

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Speaker 2: like to go out unnoticed, right, so he would roll

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Speaker 2: around dressed as a bishop. Okay, yeah, you know what, Okay,

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Speaker 1: He's going one step up. He's like, I'm not just

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Speaker 2: Now, no, no padrino for him, padres exactly. He's like,

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Speaker 2: I'm going whole hog, go for the gusto. Put on

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Speaker 2: the big funny hat. Get me one of them miters

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Speaker 2: with the gold trim. So Bernardo Bernard, that's what he does.

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Speaker 2: And he's out there. It's like the bishop, bishop. Y,

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's actually Italian.

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Speaker 1: Whatever I say that.

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Speaker 2: There it is boom. That's how the Italians do it. So,

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Speaker 2: but this is about nuns. So free out all these

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Speaker 2: padres and bishops. Those are folks of the cloth. I

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Speaker 2: promised you nuns. Yes, step back to America, Elizabeth, and

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Speaker 2: take a look at how our clergy gets to criming.

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Speaker 2: Right now, most of the times they're there are fake

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Speaker 2: priests and nuns, right, But we'll see how some real

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Speaker 2: sisters also get criminal. But first I'm going to talk

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Speaker 2: about some fake nuns, and then later on we'll get

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Speaker 2: into the cloistered nuns who are will become at you

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Speaker 2: sideways like ghost face killer. I'm talking like, yeah, as

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Speaker 2: childish Gambino would say, this is America, so or barbecuelas

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Speaker 2: you preferred, this is a boarbecue.

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Speaker 1: You ready, Elizabeth, I'm always ready.

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Speaker 2: The year is twenty eleven. Just one year earlier, Ben

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Speaker 2: Affleck had started a movie called The Town. In that film,

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Speaker 2: he and Jeremy Renner the human wax statue.

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Speaker 1: He No, didn't he get like run over by a

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Speaker 1: snowplow or.

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Speaker 2: Something, trying to save people. He's a good guy.

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Speaker 1: Don't make fun.

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Speaker 2: He's a really good guy. Yeah, he cannot act, so

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Speaker 2: anyway you ever seen him run? I love to watch

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Speaker 2: him run. In the Marvel end game, the Advengers end game,

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Speaker 2: there's the scene where he's running and it tickles it.

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Speaker 2: I giggle every time you look at him. Now, Tom

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Speaker 2: Cruise running, I'm like that man, can't He's like Michael Johnson,

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Speaker 1: Arms pumping along exactly run straight back.

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Speaker 2: Anyway. So in this film, Jeremy Renner, he's with Ben

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Speaker 2: Affleck and they're playing Boston born and bred bank robbers.

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Speaker 2: You ever see the film that certainly did? Okay, now

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Speaker 2: you know in that one they pretend to be nuns, correct, right,

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Speaker 2: well nuns was a ghoulish faces right right right right,

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Speaker 2: big guns. Now, if we know anything about criminals, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: we they love to imitate movies. Oh so some jerks

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Speaker 2: they saw Ben Affleck dolled up as a bank robbing

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Speaker 2: nun and they were like, I want to do that,

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Speaker 2: and then they did it. They did exactly that, and

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Speaker 2: they very unwisely tried to imitate Ben Affleck's film career. Now, look, people,

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Speaker 2: there's only one Ben Affleck. Are sad prince of the modernity,

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Speaker 2: and you ain't him, people, so set aside. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: You are? Not Ben Affleck. Oh damn it, you're not

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Speaker 2: at the drive through. No, you are in a bank

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's been a long morning. You just want to

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Speaker 2: That's when you see it, the semi automatic weapon being

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Speaker 1: Going on, And I'm listening to A and W and

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, gun in the face, Like what is that?

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Speaker 1: How dare you?

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Speaker 2: This is America? So the wildest part is the woman

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Speaker 1: Oh that is pretty wide, right or other?

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Speaker 2: She looks like a nun anyway, The heavily armed woman

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Speaker 1: The nun's habit. Oh yeah, most of them don't wear

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Speaker 1: Where they like short dresses, all sexy.

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Speaker 2: Nuts sexy, none like the little leg and some like

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Speaker 1: Because A and W was the greatest anyway, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the other fake nun is a man in a habit.

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Speaker 2: He jumps up onto the teller's counter. He starts waving

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Speaker 3: And you know this is.

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Speaker 2: Called a takeover style robbery. You watch enough movies to

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Speaker 2: There are only two employees working in the bank, the

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Speaker 1: I am so proud of me.

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Speaker 2: Now before three minutes have passed, with Nike Duffel, bag

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Speaker 2: Double doors shoved open, they slam shut. You watch the

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Speaker 2: You continue to record as they get into their getaway

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Speaker 2: the pair of bank robbing nuns just got away with,

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a hall for a bank job, totally. You

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Speaker 2: That you have. You know, the captain looks at you,

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Speaker 2: You turn away and you just listen to Lana del

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Speaker 2: Rey and think about clown College. Now, days later, thanks

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Speaker 2: to your surreptitious recording, the FBI they bust these phony nuns.

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Speaker 1: Is ruined, and who did that?

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's what you say to yourself. That's why.

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Speaker 2: Personally, when I was reading this story, right, when a

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Speaker 2: I don't know how it plays out.

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Speaker 1: We'd have to ask.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll well, Elizabeth, that was a little bit of

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Speaker 2: and we're back. Hello, so I promised you two nuns

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Speaker 1: Yes you did you ready?

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Speaker 2: Of course, PARTI local law enforcement. These two nuns were

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Speaker 2: actually amateur bank robbers, but once looking to turn pro

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Speaker 2: you say, on August twenty eighth, twenty seventeen, these women

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Speaker 2: they walked into a branch of Citizens Bank in Tannersville, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: Both of the women were dressed quote in head to

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Speaker 1: And these were actual nuns.

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Speaker 2: Well no, but do you remember what a wimple was?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I had to look this up because I was like,

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Speaker 2: sure that's the like head draping the scarf that a

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Speaker 2: They referred to the women in the hijab. And anyway,

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Speaker 1: It goes over and then also like for the.

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Speaker 2: Hair and for the hair hair exactly, so they were

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Speaker 2: They're rock and full nun drip. It's about noon local time.

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Speaker 2: One weird thing was both of the nuns were wearing

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Speaker 2: They prefer exactly hit. So these two nuns, they walk

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Speaker 2: and they do they get in line all right. Now,

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Speaker 2: Once they walked up to the cashier's window and they

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Speaker 1: This is America exactly, this is a barbecue.

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Speaker 2: This is a robber. So anyway, with gun and face

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Speaker 2: bank teller, they stall right. One of the nuns watches

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Speaker 2: for emphasis. Somehow this Pocono Township bank teller stalls them

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Speaker 2: is able to trigger the bank's alarm. The two bank

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: What they do get, though, is the attention of the FBI. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: because yeah, two nuns robbing a bank. They're like, fi is, like,

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Speaker 2: I'll take that one, Like I never get a fun one.

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Speaker 2: But yeah boom. So what do the FEDS do? They

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Speaker 2: it does, right, So the Philadelphia FBI Field office they

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Speaker 2: post a photo the bank robbing nuns and in full habit, wimple,

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Speaker 2: dark sunglasses. This is what they look like.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, right, do they make those themselves? Did they

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Speaker 1: go to like the nun supplies store?

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Speaker 2: I think they went actually to like a non supplied store.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen one of those? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Dude, my friends and my friend Derek and I the

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Speaker 1: Are a ton of them in Rome, ye, like when

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well for all the nuns who are shopping and

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Speaker 1: Some fresh like special tourist outfits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So they go back and they're like, sister Agnes, where

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Speaker 1: did you get that? I went to Rome? Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: I wear red.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: So with the FBI after these two bank robbing nuns,

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Speaker 2: they double down, Elizabeth, because just like the Blues Brothers,

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Speaker 2: they're on a mission from God. So what do they do?

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Speaker 2: One month later, on September twenty seventh, they walk in

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Speaker 2: spent their savings bank and they asked to open an account. Now,

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Speaker 2: it'll start siding with them, like hey, my girls. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: they stick to their plan. They ask to open an account.

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Speaker 2: The bank manager comes over to help them. The bank

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Speaker 2: robbing nuns whip the gun out one of them. Mind you,

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Speaker 2: I read in the news stories they had gone with

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Speaker 2: a blue hood job and a face mask. So that

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Speaker 2: was like, yeah, but I think they meant once again

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Speaker 2: like the wimple and the habit. Yeah, but they anyway,

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Speaker 2: they mentioned as a blue hit job. Boom, So she

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Speaker 2: whips out her handgun points in the bank manager's face

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Speaker 2: while the other nun demands money for the bank teller.

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Speaker 2: This time they get money right. In fact, they get

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Speaker 2: so much they get greedy because the following Sunday they

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, on a Sunday.

435
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Speaker 2: I guess I thought that was odd too, But they're like,

436
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,679
Speaker 2: maybe we'll be able to, you know, do better in

437
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:59,119
Speaker 2: New Jersey than we do, Pa Elizabeth. They did not. Yeah,

438
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 2: so again so they went with the same thing for

439
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:01,640
Speaker 2: the teen Neck.

440
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 1: Did they fail because the bank was closed?

441
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 2: They get that like, oh, we should know better. So

442
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,679
Speaker 2: the Teenck bank robbery. One nun she rocked traditional all black,

443
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 2: while the other went with a statement orange a job

444
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 2: by now they're orange orange. Yeah, they have an emo

445
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 2: worked out.

446
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,840
Speaker 1: She like duck huntingers.

447
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know that's what I thought.

448
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 2: So they asked to open a new account. The manager

449
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 2: comes over, out comes the pistol. They make demands for cash.

450
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 2: The nuns though, before they really get a chance to

451
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,680
Speaker 2: get any money, one of the bank tellers had recognized

452
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Speaker 2: them while they were waiting in line to talk to

453
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Speaker 2: the manager, so they called the cops. The cops show up.

454
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 2: The nuns get scared off, they make it dash for it.

455
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 2: They don't get far. They get caught while they're fleeing.

456
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 2: So turns out these are not real nuns. So, oh surprise.

457
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 2: It was a twenty year old named Swahalis Pedrasa Rodriguez,

458
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 2: and she received a fifteen month prison sentence from her

459
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: time her co defendant, who I'm assuming is the mastermind

460
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Speaker 2: aka the mother superior of this two non operation, just

461
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Speaker 2: based on the punishment she got. So keno Aris she

462
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 2: caught a thirty seven month sentence for this. Yeah, so,

463
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 2: but enough fake nuns pretend priests. You ready for the

464
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 2: real thing?

465
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 4: Oh?

466
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 2: Yes, nuns who get wicked with it like Anthony Keatis

467
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,360
Speaker 2: in Ice Cube. Oh yeah, I don't know. I got

468
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 2: fun to say that. Tell me. So this is the

469
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 2: tale of a band of rebellious Carmelite nuns versus the

470
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Speaker 2: Bishop of fort Worth. Oh, yes, me, Mother Teresa Agnus Gerlock.

471
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Speaker 2: She was a He is the forty three year old

472
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Speaker 2: prioress of the Discoused Carmelite Nuns of the Monastery of

473
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Speaker 2: the Most Holy Trinity in Arlington, Texas. Oh good, yes,

474
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Speaker 2: Now this Mother Teresa. I'm just gonna call her mother

475
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,920
Speaker 2: Girlock so you don't picture the wrong woman. Okay, all right,

476
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 2: so mother Girlock. She joined the Karmelite Nuns when she

477
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: was a teenager, very devout young woman. She sought out

478
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Speaker 2: the customs, the comforts one finds in convent life. The Kramelites.

479
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 2: If you are unfamiliar, I had to look some of

480
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 2: this stuff up.

481
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Speaker 1: There.

482
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 2: An ancient order started as Hermits that later became an

483
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Speaker 2: order of nuns, or also had an order of Nuns

484
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Speaker 2: or an order of there's an order of nuns, which

485
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: is why they are known as the Order of the

486
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Speaker 2: Brothers of the Blessed Virgin Mary of Mount Carmel, and

487
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Speaker 2: the nuns are known as the Discalsed Caramelite Nuns. Now,

488
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: if you're wondering what discalt means, it basically means shoeless

489
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 2: or barefoot. Oh yeah, but they wear sandals. They can

490
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 2: also wear refer to sandals like open toad shoes would work.

491
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,959
Speaker 2: I guess they're like the bergenstock clad hermit nuts.

492
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Speaker 1: They don't wear those easy spirit soft souls. That like

493
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: old nurse shoes. That most nuns wearing.

494
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 2: Those navy blue numbers. I can see that soul. So

495
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: these these hermit nuns right, their order had been founded

496
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: by male hermits in the twelfth century and the caves

497
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Speaker 2: of Mount Carmel. Do you know the caves? You know

498
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: Mount Carmel. It's uh, it was in what was then

499
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: known as the Crusader States. We know it as Israel.

500
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Speaker 1: Is it next to the big rock Candy Mountain?

501
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: Good? Guess the history of the Carmelites. It's a little

502
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: bit hazy. I looked it up. Most of their history

503
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: has been lost in time, but they did keep the

504
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 2: hermetic traditions of the original founding brothers. Are the Carmelite nuns.

505
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: They are cloister I was gonna ask you, yes.

506
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: Hidden away from the world. Theirs is a life of quiet,

507
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: contemplation and prayer, seclusion from secular life. So back to

508
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: Mother Gerlock the very devout. In December twenty twenty, Mother Girlock,

509
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: she had a seizure right, and it took her a

510
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 2: little while to recover. During that time, she was being

511
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 2: heavily medicated. Now, while she's under all this heavy medication,

512
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: she confessed to a priest and to the nun who's

513
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: caring for her, that she thinks that she's broken her vows. Right,

514
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: so she confessed to them that she's sinned before God.

515
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 2: She admitted to the priest and to her fellow nun

516
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 2: that she committed a sexual sin with a priest.

517
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Speaker 1: Oh yanks.

518
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now when I hear this, I'm thinking, bye, sister,

519
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: you're in a good spot. I mean, Mother Girlock, Come on,

520
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 2: the church has a specific answer for this. You pray

521
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 2: yes for forgiveness, maybe say a few hail Mary's boom

522
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: boom boom. Done. Deal right, you're good, get right with

523
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 2: your soul.

524
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 3: Right.

525
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,400
Speaker 2: But no, that's not how this works in this story, Elizabeth.

526
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: Because the priest, he decides this is a big deal,

527
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 2: so he's gonna have to do something about this. So

528
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 2: what does he do? He tells someone, but not just anyone.

529
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: He tells his boss. And who is his boss? The

530
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: Bishop of fort Worth, Michael Olson.

531
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so he confesses to his.

532
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 2: Boss or yeah, I guess so it would be a

533
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 2: confession in this case, all right. So he goes and

534
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 2: he goes with the update of like, oh, hey, you

535
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: know one of the sisters at the convent, she's a

536
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 2: section with the priest.

537
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: And he's like what, oh, so it's not the guy who.

538
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: Was no, no, no, no no, not that it was

539
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 2: a priest. She confessed to a priest who'd come to

540
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 2: basically give a dumass. So he basically rided her out right.

541
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: And this is where it gets weird because Bishop Olsen

542
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: he doesn't hear about this confession until earlier this year

543
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: in April twenty twenty three. Okay, Mother Gerlock's og confession

544
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 2: was back in twenty twenty. So after this priest apparently

545
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: waited the appropriate three years to pass, then he's got

546
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: me go take it to my boss. So the bishop

547
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: before it worth, he springs into action. On April twenty

548
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: fourth of this year, he motored out to the convent

549
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: because as soon as hears about sexing with priests, he's

550
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: like what, So.

551
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: He hops in the ca black that was donated to them.

552
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 2: Totally by the dealership exactly. So he goes out to

553
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: the convent to speak with this sinfully sexy nun and

554
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: he's not alone, right, he brings with him an investigation team,

555
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: all right, so that he brings with him a second priest,

556
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 2: who've got an old priest and a young priest. Like

557
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: it's an exorcism.

558
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: It's like at the beginning of a joke.

559
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, the two priests walk into a bar, but the

560
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: forensic tech experts and that's the other part. They had

561
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: a forensic tech edge.

562
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: When you say it's an investigated team, I like to

563
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: imagine it's a like a local news like the Channel fire.

564
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: They're all priests and.

565
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, so they he is a tech forensic tech experts.

566
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 2: When he's not holding the boom mic, he's there to

567
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: examine the iPads, the phones, the laptops. Right, oh wow. Yeah,

568
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: it's like they're the mafia and the bishop's going to

569
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 2: be like a Rumpel detective is getting after him.

570
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 5: Yeah.

571
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: So this bishop before it worth, he shows up with

572
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 2: this crack investigation team to get to the bottom of

573
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: the rumors of the sex. Having none, he demands to

574
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Speaker 2: be led into the cloistered convent because he's a man.

575
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: He's not supposed to be let in here, doesn't matter,

576
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Speaker 2: he's a bishop. He doesn't even phone ahead to tell

577
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: me he's coming. Nothing, He just demands to be let

578
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: in the convent. He also says he wants the sister's

579
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: laptop or cell phone iPad. The nuns gracefully they oblige

580
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: the bishop before it worth right. The bishop interrogates Mother

581
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: Gerlock about all the sex having. She confesses to her

582
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: bishop that she did indeed have sex with a priest.

583
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: But this is the key. The bishop doesn't understand her

584
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 2: usage of the word sex, so she clarifies that she

585
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: and the priest were sexting with a t as in,

586
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: they had sexual exchanges over the phone and the iPad, right,

587
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: but they were never actually together in person. Okay, So

588
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: this raises an immediate question that the Catechism is kind

589
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: of slow to answer. The question is this is sexting

590
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 2: considered physical sex in the eyes of the Lord, because also,

591
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 2: remember a nun is married to Jesus, cheating on Jesus

592
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 2: or no?

593
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: Hum?

594
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: Hm, wow, what's your call? I think Jesus is cool

595
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: with it?

596
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 6: Come on, he's known to forgive so not to ma. Yeah,

597
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 6: like this is going on like I've sinned in my heart?

598
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 6: Like how much different is that? And his girlfriend was

599
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 6: a sex worker. I gotta think he's kind of flexible

600
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 6: on some stuff.

601
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I think if we're all honest, we know

602
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: that she violated the rules.

603
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. I honestly I had not talk around it.

604
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: But you know, but I.

605
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: Thought if it was, if it wasn't Jesus we're talking about,

606
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: it was just like Bob or was her husband, I

607
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: think that this would be considered cheating to Bob. Right,

608
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: So yes, I think it doesn't matter that Jesus is,

609
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: you know, spiritually incarnate or not.

610
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: And then her father in law is so mad.

611
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 2: Like sinks of town. Anyway. The bishop comes back the

612
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: next day. He wants to interrogate Mother Gerlock again. He

613
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: wants more talk. Right at the moment, just like when

614
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: she first confessed to her sins, she's recovering from another

615
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: recently devastating seizure, right and again she's heavily medicated. So

616
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: she's talking to the bishop, heavily medicated, trying to heal.

617
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: The bishop comes back to interrogate her.

618
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: For a third day, you know, he sounds a little

619
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 1: freaky deeky. Its like in the details, dude.

620
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: You're seeing the passion of Joan of Arc and you

621
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: know some of those priests that are in her interrogation scene,

622
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 2: That's what I was picturing, all sweaty faced and odd.

623
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: So the bishops read me the text again.

624
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: Exactly the bishop's multi day interrogation aka his personal inquisition.

625
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: As he goes full Torquemada, he pisses off all Mother

626
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: Gerlock's fellow nuns. Right, they had enough of the Bishop

627
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: of fort Worths demands his mistreatment of their sister, so

628
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: they kick him out and they want him to stay

629
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: out of their peaceful oasis, which is located just outside Dallas.

630
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: The sisters tell the Bishop not to come back without

631
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 2: lawyers ready to do the and follow the proper protocol. Nuns,

632
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: very nun answer right. Bishop of fort Worth cannot stand

633
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: for his authority to be defied like this. He loses it.

634
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: He throws a fit, he shouts at the nun. He

635
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: threatens the future of the convent. Mother Gerlock recalled this

636
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: in an Affidavid. She said, and I quote the.

637
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: Bishop threw a temper tantrum and in an agitated and

638
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: raised voice yelled that the monastery was shut down, no

639
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 3: Mass would be celebrated. He then slammed the door and

640
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: left the monastery, traumatizing the sisters.

641
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 2: Not very Christian anyway. Here's the thing. Technically, the bishop

642
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: he ain't even their boss. He just likes to think

643
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: he is. Because the Carmelite nuns they answer only to

644
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: the Pope, and to the Pope directly. Uh as they

645
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: put it, quote, we are the discoused nuns of the

646
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: Order of the Most Blessed Virgin Mary of Mount Carmel,

647
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: a contemplative order of Pontifical Right established in the late

648
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: sixteenth century. Pontifical right is the term given to the

649
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Speaker 2: judicial personality created by the Holy See, also known as

650
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: the Vatican. The institutions of Pontifical right depend immediately and

651
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: exclusively on the Pope regarding matters of internal governance and discipline. Translation, Hey, Bishop,

652
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: we answer only to the Pope. You ain't him. Go

653
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: crap in your funny head.

654
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: He says, only Frankie can judge me.

655
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: Exactly so, in order to protect themselves from the Bishop

656
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 2: in any over each he used to shut them down.

657
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: The Carmelite nuns file a lawsuit in secular court and

658
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: take take the bishop to Texas court. Oh and that's

659
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: when the texts this news media catches wind of this story. Yeah,

660
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: soon enough there are headlines like this one from the

661
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: Fort Worth Star Telegram. Dateline June twenty seventh, twenty twenty three.

662
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,719
Speaker 2: Nune accused of sex with priests, said she had fallen

663
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: in love. Fort Worth Diocese officials says, so this was

664
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: part of the diocese's attempt to wage a publicity campaign.

665
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: They attempted to smear the nuns in the eyes of

666
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: the public. This tactic did not work, not even in Texas.

667
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: The diocese was already fighting an uphill battle because the

668
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: church fathers, they had only ever wanted to launch a

669
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: canonical investigation to be led by the Bishop of fort Worth,

670
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: but their little twenty first century inquisition, it got away

671
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: from them, and then all of a sudden, the nuns

672
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: take them to court. Now they're like no, no, no, no no.

673
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: The church is arguing in court that the lawsuit should

674
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: be thrown out since it's an ecclesiastical matter right now,

675
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: you know, separation of church and state, blah blah blah.

676
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: But the state was like let's hear what the nuns

677
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: have to say. So they get their day in court. Now,

678
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: Mother Gerlock's lawsuit a ledge at the Bishop of fort

679
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: Worth had violated her constitutional rights and expectations of privacy

680
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 2: and the Bishop Olson had defamed her as well as

681
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: when the diocese posted her private confidential matters on the

682
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: church's official website. Yeah, he put out. The bishop put

683
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: out a statement and just dressed them down in the statement,

684
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: and she's like, you can't, what's wrong with you? Right?

685
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: So this is when the Arlington Police Department gets involved

686
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: because now there's been allegations of drug use by the nuns,

687
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 2: all sorts of like hinky stuff. Oh, so they begin

688
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 2: their own investigation into Bishop Olsen's possible criminal behavior and

689
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: his mistreatment of the reverend mother. They're investigating everybody doing.

690
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: The bishop accuses them of having drugs in their convent,

691
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: and then they accuse him of mistreating them, and so

692
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: now the food has to investigate everybody. Right, So the

693
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: news headlines they start sprouting a new pretty much each

694
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: day over this past summer in Texas. It was like tumbleweeds. Right, so, oh,

695
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: look at this rolling along. The church realizes we're losing

696
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: this publicity war, so their plan to sex shame the

697
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: nun is failing spectacularly. So the church launches its new salvo.

698
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: They just focus on drugs. Drugs, drugs, Elizabeth, just like you,

699
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: you're like, wait, who has the drugs?

700
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: Right, waiting kind of trust exactly.

701
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: So these nuns were apparently munching on edibles and hitting

702
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: the bong.

703
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love this.

704
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 2: The church claims this the fort Worth Star Telegram they

705
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: go with it. The newspaper publishes the diocese claims it

706
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: had quote serious concerns about pot edibles and a marijuana

707
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: bong that was being used by the Krmelite nuns at

708
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: their cloistered convent. So the bishop he seemingly wants to point,

709
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 2: like paint this picture that these horned up nuns are

710
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: sitting around getting high and like, I don't know, listening

711
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: to jazz music. Right, So his whole like reefer madness approach.

712
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: It doesn't work as well as even the sex shaming, right,

713
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 2: not even in Texas. It only made the nuns sound cooler.

714
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: So meanwhile, in court, the truth of what has been

715
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: going down between the horned up nun the sexting priest

716
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: starts to emerge more fully in public testimony. Mother Gerlock,

717
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: the nun had originally turns out, confessed to the Vicar General,

718
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 2: the very Reverend Jonathan Wallace on three separate occasions. She

719
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: talked with the vicar when he came to celebrate Mass

720
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: at the convent on December twenty second, on December twenty fourth,

721
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: as in Christmas Eve, a very high mass, and then

722
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: January fifth. So Mother Girlock was like, hey, Padre, Merry Christmas.

723
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: You got a second. I want to talk to you

724
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: about what does and doesn't count as breaking a vow

725
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: of chastity right now. This was a very obviously a

726
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 2: very very stressful confession for her. I mean, I make

727
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: light of it, but Mother Girlock she confides to her

728
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: priest and then also to the nun and the nun

729
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: who was caring for Mother Teres. When she hears his confession,

730
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: she called Mother Girlock a whoreh to her face. Oh right,

731
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: that's what this is the reception she's getting when she's

732
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: reaching out for help.

733
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: Did they go after this priest that she was hoya?

734
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: I'll tell you about the priest in a second. But

735
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: also I think it's important that I should point out

736
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: the mother Girlock uses a wheelchair and she relies on

737
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: a feeding tube. Oh, she did all of this. During

738
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: all of this, she's in a wheelchair with a feeding too.

739
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: Feeding.

740
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: So the woman calling her the mother, calling her a

741
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: horde or her face is talking to a woman in a.

742
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: Wheelchair, epileptic, in a wheelchair with a feeding tube.

743
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so did she the woman? This mother Girlock

744
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: had reached out for help from to her colleagues, and

745
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: then she confessed to the very reverend Wallace. Did she

746
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: thinks she's falling in love? That's the term she's using, right,

747
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: And then that's why the Star Telegram headline says, she

748
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: thinks it's love some other girl. Like. He tells the

749
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: father she'd feared that what she felt was actually the

750
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: call of sin, right, but she didn't really know because

751
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: it also felt like love, and she couldn't know what

752
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 2: it was, right. She is a temptation?

753
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 5: Is it real?

754
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 2: So she's asking for help and she's like, I don't

755
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: know if I can go on as a nun. She

756
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: wanted to leave the order, and the father tells her

757
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: he would speak with his superior, and we know how that.

758
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: Goes right, So let's take a little break, okay, and.

759
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: Then I'll be back to tell you about the love

760
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: Daddy and the rest of this story. All right, Elizabeth,

761
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: we're back. Get ready for some more horned up nuns

762
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 2: getting high on the bong.

763
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: I guess yeah.

764
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: Okay, cut to three years after the confession, that original confession.

765
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: We're now back to the present. The Bishop of fort Worth,

766
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: he's coming in all fired, red faced and shouty. And

767
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 2: so then that leads to the lawsuit Mother Gerlock. Her lawsuit,

768
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: she sued the church for one million dollars. Right that,

769
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: there was also a second lawsuit from Sister Francis Terrees

770
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: that's the one who called Mother Gerlock a horde to

771
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 2: her face Oka. She also sued the Bishop of fort Worth.

772
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: In her lawsuits, she aled to that the Bishop Olsen

773
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: stole their devices and thus stole information about the convent

774
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: that was kept on the devices. Now, to cover his interest,

775
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: the Bishop of fort Worth, Michael Olson, he lobbied the

776
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: cardinals in Rome for permission to conduct his little inquisition.

777
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: Because the cardinals they gave him the authority to investigate.

778
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: And then one day later, after he gets the authority,

779
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: he dismissed Mother Gerlock as the head of the convent,

780
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: and he makes himself in charge. Right, So, ok, we

781
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: haven't really talked about what the Bishop of fort Worth is, Like,

782
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 2: we're kind of hinted, but like it's time to meet

783
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: Bishop Olsen the man.

784
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: Oh what's back?

785
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, in some court testimony, I found a

786
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: woman who had once claimed that she felt the bishop

787
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: was like a son to her. She testified that he

788
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: was quote obsessed with power, and that he would kick

789
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: priests out of the diocese who challenged him. Huh, like

790
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: a son to her, that same former mother to this bishop.

791
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: She testified that he'd once shuddered a Catholic center because

792
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: to his eyes it was quote just a bunch of

793
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: women in there, and that bunch of women were all nuns.

794
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: So Bi Olsen, he referred to these nuns as as

795
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: quote bunch aging lesbians. Wait he said, he said that.

796
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: And in November twenty nineteen, this is one year after

797
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: this court testimony came out, sixteen hundred of his parishioners.

798
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: They signed an open letter petition to have the vatic

799
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: income and investigate the bishop for his campaigns of vindictiveness.

800
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 2: Apparently he was a little short on forgiveness.

801
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: So oh god.

802
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: The bishop he was known to call his parishioners things

803
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: like merely sheep and quote nasty people his own prisoners.

804
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 2: So most recently and exactly very classic Bishop.

805
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

806
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, in another power move, Bishop Olsen,

807
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: he pushed out the president of the group, you know,

808
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: Catholic Charities. There's a president of that group for the

809
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: local chapter. The president had dared to organize the summit

810
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: that focused on women's empowerment. He's like, oh, you got

811
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: to stop that stuff. Yeah, the bishop. He reportedly said, diversity, equity,

812
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: inclusion were not what Jesus would be about if he

813
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: came back. He was like, not only that, the bishop

814
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: thought that such new ideas were hostile to Jesus, because

815
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: you know that Jesus used to always say kiss my ass,

816
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: I'm rich, right well, Jesus.

817
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: While firing off guns guns and being like, yeah, all right,

818
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: hold on, I need to take it because I am getting.

819
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: Up, aren't you.

820
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll take a moment here now.

821
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: In her in her lawsuit, mother Girlock, she listed all

822
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: the ways that the Bishop of fort Worth had exhibited

823
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: his vindictiveness. For instance, he had not only banned the

824
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 2: nuns from saying mass, but he'd also banned Mother Garlock

825
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: from contact with her caretakers, and he'd banned her from

826
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: her own private bedroom despite her poor health and her

827
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: quote need for constant medical care.

828
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

829
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: Now, since he had taken her iPad, you know, she

830
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: was the priorist that left the nuns with no way

831
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: to pay their bills, because that's she was in charge,

832
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: and she used the iPad to pay the bills. So

833
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: mother girlocks. She called the bishop's actions quote pure evil.

834
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

835
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: In a response to this lawsuit, in this defiance by

836
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: the nuns, Bishop Alsen he posted a statement on the

837
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: diocese website wherein he outs the nun as being a sexual.

838
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: Deviant, so inappropriate to right.

839
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: Now to everybody, He's like, look, the only people are

840
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: reading this or the devout well.

841
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but was he going this hard at

842
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: the pedophile priests?

843
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 2: Thank you? Now? The Wabster bishop originally thought he could

844
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: control this narrative, and as the trial continued and he

845
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: realized as more revelations came out, things were getting away

846
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 2: from right. There was this theory put forward by people

847
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 2: who knew the bishop well, and the theory explained why

848
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 2: the bishop was all fired up and why he was

849
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: really going after them. Hint, it wasn't holy justice. It

850
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 2: was far more secular than that. Turns out, Mother Girlock,

851
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: as the prioress of the monastery, was legally in charge

852
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: of the seventy two wooded acres the Christine Land just

853
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: outside of Arlington, Texas.

854
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: I knew it.

855
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: It seems that the bishop he coveted this land, the woods,

856
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: the convent, and the millions of dollars that it was worth.

857
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: I was gonna suggest just this thing. I was gonna say,

858
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: what's their building whereth Yes?

859
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Now, so I promised you the love daddy.

860
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: Let's take a moment to get to him. He's the

861
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: other half of this sex gam and we haven't talked

862
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: about him at all yet. Right, So who was this

863
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: priest who was pushing her buttons when they were sex? Now,

864
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: Elizabeth's time to meet our love daddy of the cloth.

865
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: They call me Big Padre. Now this dude was a

866
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: priest from North Carolina. Mother Girlock, she named him in

867
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: her testimony to the bishop as quote Bernard Marie.

868
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: Did he take his shirt off? Spinning around his head

869
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: like a helicopter.

870
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: Raise up. Now, Bernard Marie. That was his priest's street name,

871
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: that was not his birth name. The Diocese of Raley

872
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: Durham they called this same guy Philip Johnson, as in

873
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: like Father Johnson. Now, after the sex scandal, Father Johnson

874
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: was relocated to a monastery in Montana in twenty twenty

875
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: two so he could think about what he did with

876
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: his old phil Johnson. Now he has since returned to

877
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: North Carolina ready to get back to priests, ended up

878
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: for the people, but his priestly duties have remained restricted,

879
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: so he's not allowed to quote exercise public ministry. So

880
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: how did these two crazy kids meet in.

881
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: The first place?

882
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 2: Right, according to her testimony, Mother Girlock said, her priest

883
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: is Addy aka I drive the lane like I was

884
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: Father Bernard. He approached the carmelite nuns asking for prayers.

885
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: He was like, oh, I need some help with you know,

886
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: with the guy upstairs. Now, what started as prayers, it

887
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: turned into chatting. Chatting turned into flirting. Flirting turned in

888
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: into sexting. It's like Charro once said, espooning leads to

889
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 2: a forking. You know, you gotta watch it right, So

890
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: before the priest and the nun realized it, they were

891
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 2: both waiting knee deep into the fires of hell. So,

892
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 2: but all hell breaks really loose when mother Gerlock confessed

893
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: what she had done. Really, nothing that they had done

894
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: was that bad. But seeking absolution in spiritual South that

895
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: becomes problem. She finds neither in the church. Instead, she

896
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: gets called a hord or face and removed from duty.

897
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: So back to the Bishop of fort Worth. Okay, so

898
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: I had hinted at his nefarious plans. Right now that

899
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,959
Speaker 2: we've met the love daddy, Yeah, it's time to meet

900
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: Toody Portwood. My girl, my girl, Tooty t u t

901
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: t I Toody Portwood.

902
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: Okay.

903
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: Now, Totty was a co founder and an original member

904
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: of the Ladies Auxiliary to the discouse.

905
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: Carmelite nuns all the Portwood right, and Tody.

906
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: Says she has the receipts on the Bishop of fort Worth.

907
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 2: My girl Totty said, straight up quote that land is

908
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: very valuable. I believe you cannot convince me otherwise, whether

909
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: I'm right or wrong. I think the bishop was trying

910
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: to make a land grab. Yeah, marry Texas right now,

911
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: how valuable is that land? Try to the tune of

912
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 2: three point eight million dollars valuable. Wow, it's a really

913
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: nice tune. It's got a good beat. You can dance

914
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: to it. I like that tune. A bishop of fort Worth.

915
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, make got I'm a dance shoot.

916
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: Now back to old Totty Portwood, she said. I just thought, Oh,

917
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: how lucky they this is the carmelite nuns are to

918
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: have this little spot. It's so quiet, it's so excessive,

919
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: really to so many people from the Dallas Fort Worth area.

920
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: And then when this hubbub started, my mind immediately went

921
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: back to Sam Matteo. What is sam Mateo's Aaron.

922
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: Excellent question, questions developed.

923
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 2: No, I mean, yes, it is undeveloped land. It's it's

924
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: an oasis. I mean, other than the house that they have,

925
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: the convent and the buildings, it's primarily undeveloped land. Got

926
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: it now, sam Mateo, not the San Francisco Peninsula town.

927
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 2: Turns out that a few years back, in twenty sixteen,

928
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: the Diocese of fort Worth, run by our man, Bishop Olson,

929
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: had filed a permit to demolish and sell its San

930
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 2: Mateo Catholic Church. Now when the when the people, the parishioners,

931
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: heard about the bishop's plan to level their place of worship,

932
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: the prisoners were like, hold up, that's our church. We

933
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: like our church. We use every week. There's nothing wrong

934
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: with our church. We'd like to keep it please. And

935
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: the bishops like nah. So the people they appealed directly

936
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: to the Vatican. Everyone's got to go to the Pope

937
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: to get around this guy, right, and in order they

938
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: keep to their church. They tell the cardinals and the

939
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: Pope they're like, come on, man, we were about you.

940
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: You guys are missing numbers, and when you're sitting here

941
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: trying to be good Catholics, we're like, give these people

942
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: their church back, right, So they win the fight, They

943
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: beat the bishop and they get to keep their church.

944
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: So back to Tuty's theory that this is nothing but

945
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: a Texas land grab. Now, enter Sila Johnson. She was

946
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: the daughter of Ruth Carter Stevenson. Doesn't really quite matter, no,

947
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 2: but it would matter in a second. Is this is important?

948
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: Remember the name Ruth Carter Stevenson, now primarily Shila Johnson,

949
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: not related to Father Philip, is known as a quiet,

950
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 2: yet steady philanthropic force that's a quote. Now uncharacteristically in

951
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: this instance, Sheila Johnson, she chose to speak up this

952
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 2: socialite and this philanthropist. She comes forward and tells the

953
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: fort Worth Business Press newspaper, quote, this is nothing but

954
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: a ploy to get rid of Mother Teresa and close

955
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,479
Speaker 2: the monastery. He wants the property so all these older women,

956
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: they know the score. Remember now that he obviously being

957
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: Bishop Olsen. Now, the reason the bishop's alleged covetous plan

958
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: to take hold of the convent from the nuns bothered

959
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: her so much, Sheila Johnson, that is is other than

960
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: the obvious, was that her mother, Ruth Carter quote, was

961
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 2: very protective of them and wanted to be sure that

962
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 2: nobody could take their property. She spent her own money

963
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 2: and gave them the property outright. So they own it

964
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: outright and nobody can take it. I can't even take it.

965
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: Oh.

966
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: So Sheila and her mother, Ruth Carter, they used to

967
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: go to Mass on Christmas Eve every year at this convent.

968
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 2: They loved this place. They've loved his sisters. Now, Sheila

969
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: told the Fort Worth Business Press that she planned to

970
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: go all the way to protect these nuns and their

971
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 2: rights to that property, and in Texas style, that means

972
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: this elder philanthropist said quote, she would get out there

973
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 2: in front of the gates with a shotgun to protect

974
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: the monastery. Nice, no, listen, I don't want you worry

975
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: that she's gonna blast some preests because he gets handsy

976
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 2: at the fence line. Sheila Johnson also had. Of course,

977
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be loaded. She'd just be waving the gun

978
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: around it, keeping people on the toes.

979
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 1: Now, theater of it all exactly now.

980
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: The reason that she'd use such spirited language was after

981
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: the the court had dismissed Mother Girlock's lawsuit against Bishop Olsen,

982
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: and after the Arlington Police closed their investigation into him

983
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: and them, the Carmelite nuns chose to rally around their prioress,

984
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: Mother Gerlock, and the Carmelite nuns. They decided to go

985
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: full independent. They were covered under Texas law because you see,

986
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 2: under Texas law, the nuns and their convent are a nonprofit.

987
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: Their organization owned their land as Sheila Johnson's mother wanted

988
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: them too. But that means not the diocese. It's not

989
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: their land. And Bishop of fort Worth he has about

990
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: as much clan to their land as you or I do.

991
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: Right.

992
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: So meanwhile, Bishop of fort Worth he goes on the

993
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: attack because he's not giving this up. So he has

994
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: gone after the convent. He declared that the monastery should

995
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: be closed to the public and that the parishioners cannot

996
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: go until quote the Arlington Carmel publicly disavows itself of

997
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: these scandalous and schismatic actions of Mother Teresa Agnes. Not

998
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: only that, but Bishop of fort Worth also said this

999
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: has hurt me as a friend and as the bishop

1000
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 2: because of the deep wound this is cut in our

1001
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: unity of the Diocese of fort Worth.

1002
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: Oh, get out of here.

1003
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: Now what have all this means? Friends and canonical terms? Well,

1004
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: the Bishop of fort Worth's clarified. Thus it is with

1005
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 2: deep sorrow that I must inform the faithful that Mother

1006
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 2: Teresa Agnes thereby may have incurred upon herself excommunication.

1007
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's right.

1008
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 2: Bishop fort Worth excommunicated Mother Gerlock from the Church of Rome.

1009
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: Now I didn't know a bishop could even do that.

1010
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: I thought you had to be a cardinal. I thought

1011
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: you had to wear the red robes to be able

1012
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 2: to like I thought you'd feel the cardinal Rishilu, like

1013
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: I'm excommunicating you?

1014
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: Does he have that authority?

1015
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: He did, so he officially excommunicated her. So on August

1016
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: thirty first of this year, twenty twenty three, the New

1017
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: York Times they get involved of this. No longer just

1018
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: Texas newspapers. Now they cover this ongoing canonical rebellion. And

1019
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: now the sister Gerlock has been excommunicated and kicked out

1020
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: of the church and denied the grace of God. She

1021
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: has also formerly refused to leave the convent, and her

1022
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: sisters are in solidarity with her. Nice Ze York Times

1023
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 2: they sum it all up with this headline sexting nun

1024
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: faces possible excommunication by refusing Vatican orders forcing monastery to close.

1025
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: But in the time story the reporter they're keen to

1026
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: note that Mother Gerlock is now at the head of

1027
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: her own rebellion. She has her sisters as soldiers, all

1028
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: loyal and true to her, and the sisters have begun

1029
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: to issue their own communic case. The Carmelite Nuns wrote

1030
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: on their personal website quote, the chapter takes this opportunity

1031
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: to express its complete confidence in the personal and moral

1032
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: integrity of its mother Prioress and in her leadership. The

1033
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: sisters also wrote Elizabeth quote, Therefore, because the salvation of

1034
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: our souls is our first duty before Almighty God, we

1035
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 2: hereby state in conscience we no longer recognize the authority

1036
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 2: of and can have no further relations with the current

1037
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: Bishop of Fort Worth. The nuns, they declare war on

1038
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 2: the bishop back right right now. Not only did they

1039
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: announce this, they also announce another badass declaration that they

1040
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 2: would only be answering to the authority of God. Oh,

1041
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: in other words, only God can be exactly. These nuns

1042
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: are so balaler. They have their attorney, Marthew Bobo, sorry

1043
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 2: Matthew Bobo, and he's even more street about all this.

1044
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: He told the local w FAAA TV. This is the

1045
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: only life they know. Yeah, the streets, the only life

1046
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: they know. That was a full way to Texas law

1047
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: behind them, the advocate Bobo. He warned the bishop that

1048
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: he is not welcome on the property and further quote,

1049
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: we would take steps to have him removed. He sent

1050
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: them a letter and said you have to close the

1051
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: gates and you have to have my permission to have

1052
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: anyone come on the property. But as Bobo the lawyer

1053
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: told them to hell with all that, or, as he

1054
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: put it in more legal terms, that is a clear

1055
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 2: violation of Texas law. So plus the nuns, they have

1056
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: the shotgun wielding social light to keep everything up checkt Texas, baby,

1057
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: even our nuns got guns. So anyway, Saron, what about

1058
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 2: the drugs. Did we ever get down to the bottom

1059
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 2: of the drugs where the drugs real?

1060
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1061
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: Edibles?

1062
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: Okay. You recall how the diocese they'd mentioned drugs. They

1063
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 2: also leaked photos of a bong. Right now, the Arlington

1064
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: PD they looked into all this this before they close

1065
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: their investigation. The diocese they'd told the press they received

1066
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: these pictsu from an inside informant. Do you think that

1067
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: inside informant existed, Elizabeth, No, no, they did not. Just

1068
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: like the holy ghost that was their inside.

1069
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: Informant, Google pictures of a bong.

1070
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 2: I don't know where they got the picture of a bong,

1071
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 2: but it was bunk. There wasn't nuns bong. There may

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Speaker 2: have been edibles, but they would have been for medical

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Speaker 2: purposes exactly. It wouldn't be her, right, So I guess

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Speaker 2: the nuns were. They were not actually puffing tough like

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Speaker 2: your man Peter Tosh. So sorry, but in October fort

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Speaker 2: Worth report. They conveyed a group of religious civil canon

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Speaker 2: law experts and asked them just this past October to

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Speaker 2: consider the future of this rebel karmelite convent and will

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Speaker 2: they win their war against the Bishop of fort Worth.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Bauer, former assistant professor of Canon Law the Catholic

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Speaker 2: University of America in DC. She cited the Code of

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Speaker 2: Canon Law, saying that quote temporal goods aka what we

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Speaker 2: know is property in this case is owned by the

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Speaker 2: nuns convent and thus quote no individual person owns that property.

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Speaker 2: The monastery owns it, and it is administered by whoever

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Speaker 2: is the superior of the monastery. For example, it sounds

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Speaker 2: like morthera gerlock wins this one, right, but as mother

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Speaker 2: superior and prior to the convent, that would make sense.

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Speaker 2: But however, remember that term pontifical, right, Yeah, that means

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Speaker 2: the Pope runs the convent. This is why the Bishop

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Speaker 2: of fort Worth asked for an investigation by Rome, which

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Speaker 2: can then officially and legally place him in charge of

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Speaker 2: the convent by order of the Pope. However, the Bishop

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Speaker 2: of fort Worth, he overplayed his hand. Elizabeth, nobody likes

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Speaker 2: this guy at this point gives him, so it's hard

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Speaker 2: to imagine the Pope Frankie will want to side with

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Speaker 2: him on this one. I think Francis is gonna be

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Speaker 2: it's more easy to imagine that he'll grant the nuns

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Speaker 2: and the mother Girlock their continued autonomy. Yea. For now,

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Speaker 2: the nuns have announced that, even without the Bishop of

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Speaker 2: fort Worth's approval, and under the leadership of their excommunicated prioress,

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Speaker 2: they will be celebrating Mass once again and without a priest.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, this is quote in according to

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Speaker 2: the older forms of the Roman Rite. That's how the

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Speaker 2: day we're here first.

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Speaker 1: So there you go, Gnostic Gospels actions.

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Speaker 2: Exactly a scene on it. So what's our ridiculous takeaway here, Elizabeth?

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Speaker 1: I am tickled by how they keep taking all of

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Speaker 1: their dirty laundry online, how they're posting these misses on

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Speaker 1: their websites, like, oh yeah, well I'm gonna post It's

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Speaker 1: like they're vague booking, but they're just like these shots

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Speaker 1: fired I'm posting on my website. It's ridiculous. What's what's

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Speaker 1: your ridiculous take with?

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Speaker 2: How'd that feel? They feel good?

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Speaker 1: So bad?

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Speaker 2: I don't got one. I just told you the story.

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Speaker 2: I know, but in all honestly, I do find my

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Speaker 2: ridiculous takeaway is this, which is I went to Catholic

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Speaker 2: school like you, and I learned one lesson, don't you

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Speaker 2: mess with another thinks she's right.

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Speaker 3: No, you ain't gonna win.

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Speaker 2: That fight, So learned one from the bishop. Anyway, there

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Speaker 2: you go. That's all I got for I hope you

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Speaker 2: enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: I did very much.

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