WEBVTT - Man Up & Man Down w/ Philip Winchester 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.960 Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:08.799 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:10.240 These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:27.120 Done done. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:30.840 Hello, welcome back to That's Messed Up. 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:35.160 I'm Kara and I'm Lisa, and here we talk about 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.720 SVU True Crime. We have celeb guests today. As a 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.320 real barn burner totally. That's a saying I know from 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.640 big business, but I actually am here to confront Kara 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.800 and Casey. Uh oh, yeah, that's what we're starting with. 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.800 I got cards, Yeah, yeah, that's the cards. I got 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.080 a lot of dms that you guys are gaslighting me 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.880 that of course I've mentioned it, and that you're gas lighters. 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:01.520 Cue the Dixie Chicks. 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:01.720 No. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:03.640 A couple people a gasler. 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.160 A couple of people said, wait, I don't remember Lisa 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.840 talking about the cards either, And I've been a Day 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:11.679 one listener and. 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:14.280 I was like, what is happening is there? 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:17.320 Like like, I'm sorry, as you talked about it more, 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:19.640 I was like, I do remember something about this. 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.240 But then when you did say, I go, when did 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:23.760 you start this? 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.160 You go December? It had only been six months. It 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.000 wasn't like we've been talking about it for years. 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:31.440 I just what do you have to say. 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.400 I'm just I'm shocked to hear this information. You know, 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.039 I listen intently to every single yes. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:38.440 And he listened over again. 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.200 He has to cut out all of our arms and 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:41.319 beeps and bops and boobs. 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:42.160 He listened so much. 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:44.679 You know, I guess Lisa, she just has so many passions. 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:48.120 It's just hard to keep them all documented in my brain. 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:49.640 You know, it's hard. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.640 Apologize. I'm sorry, I apologize. 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.920 Wait wait, can I tell you we got a fun 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:59.480 dm we somebody one of our listeners called the doom 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.760 Wa pod cast and talked about us on the Desmois 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:07.440 podcast that we got tea about Christopher Maloney being kind 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:08.280 of hard to work with. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.240 Oh my god, we're on demoit. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:17.200 Yeah, the episode the Desmois episode podcast episode from last 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:19.799 week or stuthing like, well, I don't know when it'll 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:21.680 be two weeks old now when this episode comes out, 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.600 but it's the Kylie Jenner Timothy Shalomet episode that's in 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:26.760 the last couple of their episodes, and it's around the 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:28.880 fifty two minute mark. Somebody called it and said, well, 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:30.960 I listened to the That's Messed Up podcast and she 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.280 shouts out that that's our podcast and says well. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.240 Like and then the Dumoi girl was like, yeah, you're giving. 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:37.640 Me the tea here, like, because I think the girl 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:39.079 was calling to be like, do you have any other 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.840 has anyone ever also told you this? And she was like, no, 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:43.720 you're giving me the tea here, like I had not 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:44.960 heard that from anybody else. 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:48.240 Wow, this is huge my Yeah, I have some friends 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:49.000 that are gonna. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:50.600 Be really excited about that. Yeah. 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:52.400 And another friend just texted me yesterday was like, you 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:53.960 know you're on DEMI right, and I was like, yes, 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:55.240 I thought I texted you about it. 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.080 I'm sorry I forgot to tell you. No, it's so excited. Yeah. 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:04.040 But so yeah, we're a little des Mois crossover. But wow. 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.359 Speaking of Timothy and Kylie though, you know they went 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:11.760 to O Mary, o'mary great at the Tony's Congratulations, Congratulations 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.840 the director one as well, I don't know him, Sam 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:16.760 Pinkleton or Pinkton something like that. 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.040 Yes, he won as well, and it becomes her one 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:21.560 like a stage. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:27.600 Which deserved. The costumes were incredible. I do wish Audra 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.840 McDonald won and not a trumper. 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:31.160 But hey, what are you gonna do? What are you 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.320 gonna do? But I heard I'm gonna go to Boop. 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:38.800 I'm going to Boop Boop the musical it's about Betty Boop. 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.360 And people were telling me the it's like a younger actress. 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.000 Obviously it's Betty Boop, that she is like an Audre 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.280 in the making, that she is beyond that she was 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.120 the face like also a favorite of the theater. Like 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.600 people say she is beyond and so I'm gonna try 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:52.240 to go see that. 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:53.720 As we get your butt to Boop. 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:58.760 I was seeing a lot of hate about Nicole, people 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:01.440 saying that in her acceptance speach she was like acting 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.520 and not like really crying, but like kind of pretending 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:05.160 she was crying. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:10.240 But the woman's fifty and she's looking good. Nicoles like 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:13.440 fifty dude. Oh the Pussycat dolls. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.240 Okay, yeah, I mean that was what two thousand, Yeah, yeah, 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:20.120 I mean I guess that makes sense. I just didn't know. Yeah, listen, 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.599 I guess it was the most like streamed and watched 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.680 Tony Cynthia Revo fuck yeah, Like she didn't have to 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:27.359 host the tonys. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:28.800 No, and then what I mean that's cool? 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:33.080 Yeah, and a couple of beat George Clooney, like, that's 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:33.640 so cool. 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:36.640 We and we recognized a couple of people that we 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.839 know in the opening sketch, Drew Drogi and a legend 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.960 of La Comedy and Tim Murray, who's so funny. 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:49.080 I think, yes, Yeah, it was exciting. I feel like 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:52.840 theater had an amazing year, like cool stuff. Yeah, I 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.600 like succession girl, I should have seen that. I should 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:56.400 have there a snook. 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:00.680 Yeah that I didn't know the one that won the 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:05.880 musical and was like best Musical, right, Like I didn't. 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.240 Know about those. I guess a robot. It's like a 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:08.920 robot one. 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.440 I don't know it's about Oh, it's about two discarded. 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.400 Robots like singing along. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.640 But I did see that a Glee person has one 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:19.400 of Tony in the past four years. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.479 Every year in the past four years, somebody from Glee 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.600 has won a Tony. Interesting, they got to keep up 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:31.120 the Glee streak. Yeah, Darren Chris was the one this year. Yeah, 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.840 I loved, I loved Wait what did they ask Oh, 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.240 they asked cole in a in an interview like on 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.120 The Red carpet. I'm sure you've seen it. They were like, 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.280 what did you think when you read the Patty article? 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.960 And they were like, I don't know how to read. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.120 It was so like Mary Todd Lincoln coated. And then 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:52.760 they go, I actually just think it should. 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:54.200 Be left up to the states. Yeah, I think it 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:55.360 should be left up to the states. 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.599 It was so funny, and it was just like you 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:01.160 could tell they were improvising and just so, oh, there 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.480 are a talent. There are a talent of a generation. 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.560 And Jeff yourself was there with coal. 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:10.080 It was it was cool. Yeah, it was like a 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:10.760 it's exciting. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.320 I didn't watch the whole thing, you know, I've just 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:16.440 been putting pieces together, but it was a thrilling one. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:18.520 And all of you, I'd like you to know. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:22.280 I'm I'm I'm coming to you live from Mexico, outside 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:27.400 of Yes, outside of Guadalajara, beaming in from Mexico. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.680 And my mom's eightieth birthday. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.560 This episode comes out the day after my mom's birthday, 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.040 and she's really right behind your mom. 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.359 Pretty pretty soon I have so I got there's a 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.119 store I love in my neighborhood. It's mostly house stores, 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.760 but they have some like costume jewelry, and some of 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:47.920 it's gold plated because my mom doesn't do fake shit. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.480 But I found this necklace. It was a little kookie, 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:53.360 but it was like the pendant was a thing of grapes. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.479 It was like purple and green, but it was like grapes, 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.200 a bushel of a bush. What is it called, not 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.479 a bushel, a bunch of grapes whatever, Yeah, with a 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:01.719 gold chain. And I was like, we'll see. I'm like, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:03.320 I really like I think she'll like it. Even though 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.360 it's a little cartoony with the grapes. The bitch comes 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.040 out of her bedroom wearing all purple for her birthday dinner. 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:11.760 I couldn't believe it. I could not believe it. 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.600 I go, I think I'm gonna do gifts before dinner 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:18.680 and a grape nick and love it. She loved it 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:23.080 and she put it on perfect. It was really exciting. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.040 We played a lot of card games, backgammon. It's it's 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.520 it's a slower way of life here, and that's been 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.600 really nice. But like no one's in a rush to 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.280 pay the bill. It's probably very European vibes, like yeah, 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.840 everyone's kind of lounging, mosying around. We went, my sister 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.200 and I buy ourselves once have Margarita's by the lake 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:43.880 and it's just people with their families on a Sunday 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:48.280 with horses on horses, like riding a horse, chill through 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:52.280 like the city with a beer, just on the lake 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:53.280 with their families. 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:54.120 Awesome. 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.280 And dog culture is cool here, Like dogs are running around, 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.520 but it's like they mostly have callers, but like you 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.600 can bring your dog anywhere, and I guess it's kind 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:05.000 of the States, but like the dog culture. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.360 Is cool here. Yeah, like you can cut. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.560 Like there was like a stray dog that walked into 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.200 a cafe we were in and no one was like, 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.600 no one bad it than I. But my parents are 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:19.600 eighty and eighty seven, and yeah they walk slow. It's like, yeah, 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.000 a real test of patients, and you know, lucky to 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.400 have them, of course. But my dad has a walking 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.760 stick and it's like a roughieky stick. It's like giant 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:28.560 and wood and it's taller than him and he takes 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:29.160 it everywhere. 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:33.160 But yeah, he's getting my mom to the ice cream 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.680 place from my house and it was I think it 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:36.720 was her last long walk. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:38.920 I don't think she's gonna try anything like that again. 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:40.880 But I got to give a shout out to my 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:42.840 sister because they were here for like ten days before 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.600 I even got here. And so yeah, the patients and 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.200 joy that she brought them, Like, thank God, I wouldn't 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:49.520 be able to go. 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:51.440 But you're not in a rush, you're having fun. You're 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:51.920 own baca. 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.200 I mean them picking a magnet. And then my mom's like, 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.960 I don't feel like and it's also very hot. We're 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.360 itching mosquitoes, but like, yeah, it's a really calm, chill 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.120 way of life. But my niece and I went to 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.240 the grocery store like, I don't know, I'm having a 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.760 really lovely time here. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.840 I went last weekend out of town to Palm Springs 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:17.319 for my ten year wedding anniversary. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.000 I saw on Insta and I was I thought it 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:21.560 would probably be a group. I'm like, oh, I wonder 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.720 who they're down with. You know, we usually get houses 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.520 with friends. Yeah yeah, so I that's really sweet. So 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.000 you guys just went together with the kids. 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:29.880 Yeah, and we went to this hotel that you know, 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:31.920 I found out about one of my mom groups, and 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:37.280 it was so beautiful and it looked like it's basically 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.520 on two sides. Of a street and one side is 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.000 Morocco and the other side's Mediterranean, but you can go 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:46.719 back and forth to both sides and so quiet, beautiful, 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:51.200 no children, like all just like watch the kids. My 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.480 in laws flew into town and they came and watched 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:53.760 the kids. 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:54.360 It was way great. 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.520 Did your mother in law like her Tiffany's bracelet? 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:01.880 Yes, she did. She did. Wait she did that one 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:03.920 for a while. Yeah. I finally asked her. I was like, 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.439 she was like, you guys should not have done that. 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:08.720 Like she was like, it's a tiffic like she could 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.120 not believe it. But yeah, she did love it. But 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:13.320 they Yeah, they watched the kids. 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:14.920 What's the hotel cal You don't want to tell people 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:16.520 you want to gate keep I kind. 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:17.240 Of want to gate keep it. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:19.520 People can dm me if you're really that if you're 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.400 really that interesting, you can dm me. 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:21.960 But I'll tell you. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:25.160 I just felt really relaxed after it was like really nice. 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.800 There were no like nobody was there partying, nobody was 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:28.560 there with kids. 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:29.400 Like everybody was. 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.480 Just there to have a calm, chill weekend and relax 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.600 and like get a buzz, you know, like it's actually 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:35.440 has palm springs. 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.040 Vibes in terms of like things close early. Here, it's 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.439 dinner at five or six. It is like a retirement community. 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.720 I would say, yeah, but like, and there's American shit. 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.320 My parents were obsessed with the Popeyes here. They had 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.520 Popeyes like two or three times. They could not stop 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.079 having Popeyes. 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:52.679 Oh but I mean we. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:54.520 Also had beef tongue. Like, we were doing a lot 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.960 of stuff. But when I got here, my Dad's like, 0:10:56.960 --> 0:10:58.319 you gotta have the Popeyes. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.360 I'm so glad you guys all to do that. How fun. 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.360 I know, the boys, the little boys aren't here, but 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.360 I am glad we got to. And I only flipped 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.640 out twice, so I think that's like pretty I mean, 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:10.520 I guess that was only there for three days with them, 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:15.720 but I snapped twice. I snapped twice because everyone was saying, like, oh, 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:17.800 how's it gonna be. I go, well, I will ruin 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.600 the mood. I'm like, it feels like everyone's having a 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:23.080 great time. I'm like, yeah, I'm sure I will. I 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.640 will cause some chaos and problems for sure. 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:28.480 Okay, wait, can I tell a really quick story about 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.719 the problem before I we get strung out? 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.360 But I'm so glad so ten year anniversary. Congrats. I'm 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.600 glad you guys like Palm Springs. But I talked about 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:37.199 Palm Springs a lot here because I love it there. 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.960 Yeah, okay, So you know how whenever I pick up 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:44.480 Oscar from his school, it's like pandemanium. Well, no, it's 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.280 just like when the teacher has a certain look on 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.400 her face. I'm like, go ahead, give me my beating, 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:49.680 like what did he do? You know? 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:51.920 Or whatever? So she has this look on her face 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:52.959 and I go what happened? 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.920 And she goes, well, just now, before you came to 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.480 pick up, he started calling a couple of our friends losers. 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.120 And I what. I was like, I've never heard him 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.520 say loser. I've never heard him use that word. Like 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:07.480 that's crazy. 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.679 So I was like, losers and she goes, yeah, I 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:12.000 don't know. 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:13.440 You know, these kids they pick things up. 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:15.880 And I go, well, we don't really say loser or whatever, 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.160 as like I'm certain certainly never like, hey, you're a 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:20.680 loser to my kids or anything. 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.680 But so he says sorry to the girls, and it's. 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.840 Like whatever, and then we leave and I go Oski 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:28.560 and I'm holding him. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.880 I go, why why did you call them? Losers. Where 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:31.600 did you even hear that? 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.120 And he I swear to god, I know people can't 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.360 see me, but with this exact intonation, he goes, I 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.400 don't know, you know how it's like people say Donald 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.959 Trump's a loser, and like, you know, he's a loser. 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:47.360 I was like, okay, okay, maybe we did say that. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.079 We maybe did say Donald Trump's a loser. Like I 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.800 was like, oh fuck. I like fully tracked it back 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.360 and was like, yeah, I would never call a person 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.640 that I like knew personally a loser, but I definitely 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.920 probably said so we got in trouble for calling kids 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:02.959 losers at school because I called Donald Trump a loser 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:03.320 in my home. 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.079 But what why did he call the girls losers? I'm curious. 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:10.360 He said that they were saying something to him and 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.480 so he said you're a loser or something like that, 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.959 like you know, he was like, it wasn't like they 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.560 were I don't think he even knew how mean it sounded. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:20.120 He was just like, oh, I don't know. You know, 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.040 you guys say Donald Trump's a loser. The way he 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:23.800 said it was like I don't know, like you guys 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.080 kind of like I hear this around like you know, 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.960 it's on the street people are saying loser. It's just like, 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:30.960 I know, it's my little kids say the darnedest thing 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:32.880 corner sometimes on the pod. 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.680 But it really made me laugh so hard. I was like, 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.280 you're right, we probably lose also a fun insult. I know. 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.600 I'm in the loser, I know, but like the little 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.960 girls are like so sweet and they really like him 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:45.839 and they're all friends, and I'm like, don't call anyone 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:49.880 a loser at school, dude, Come on, like, don't be 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.760 that way. Anyway, we're gonna get started. Go to Thats 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.600 messed up live dot com for we got merch up 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.960 there in the shop, We've got Lisa. You could scroll 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:01.960 down to where its as Liza's website and that takes 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.000 you to all of the legit ticket links for her 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:05.120 tour dates and stuff. 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.440 And you know, you can also. 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.400 If you're listening to this right now, you could see 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:12.720 me in Atlanta to night and tomorrow and then oh 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.559 Charlotte this weekend, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:18.400 So get out there. 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:22.360 Hit me up, honey, bunches out there, guys. Oh my god, 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.320 yesterday I was sitting looking at the dog and I 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:28.120 went Oh god, Bailey's just a true blue cutie, and 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.160 people go, what does that mean? I go, I have 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:31.760 no idea. I don't know what just came out of 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.240 my mouth. I'm like, I don't even know if those 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:37.760 words go together. Humiliating. Well, we've got a too blue 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.920 cuty of an episode for you, you know, And I 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.640 know I'm doing this and it's annoying, but things are. 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.240 You're in LA, and do you have anything to say 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.840 about what's going on and anything you'd like to say? 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:53.200 Yeah, I want to say that you cannot trust what 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:58.280 the media is fucking spinning for you. LA is peacefully protesting. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.360 I mean it's terrifying, Like I'm getting emails from my kids' 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.520 school principal there's ice activity outside the school, Like you 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:10.120 got these fucking ice guys are ghouls. They're absolute ghoulish monsters, 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.800 going to graduations, going to kids' schools to try to 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.840 pick up kids to get to their parents or whatever 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:20.080 the fuck they're doing. It's fucked up. But Angelino's are 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:24.080 protesting peacefully. There have been a handful of people, as 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:27.200 there are with every protest, who have lit a car 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.160 on fire or done something in the incendiary like that 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.400 that is not an excuse to override the governor and 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.040 send in the National guard. There is not. This city's 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:39.200 not going crazy. There is peaceful protests happening everywhere, and 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.480 we're fucked though. This shit is fucked with him with 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:43.920 the ice. 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:45.800 I don't know. It's terrifying. 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.480 I have friends who are documented who are like they 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.520 could pick me up, Like they could pick me up 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:51.760 just on how I look, you know. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:58.840 Yeah, yeah, it's it's so fucked because let's say, let's 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:01.000 say all these people are breaking the law and they 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:02.680 need to be arrested. It has to be at a 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.480 child's graduation, Yeah, it has to in court. You're dragging 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.560 people out of work and home to bet Like, fuck you. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:10.720 I literally just got a text they're at a hospital 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:12.800 by the way. Let your like, I'm on this text 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.800 with a bunch of moms that are like, let anybody 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.000 you know that might be at ex hospital that they're 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.320 around there like hospital. 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:20.640 Like they're causing the violence. Like that's what I don't 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.800 understand about outside people. And I know the media is 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.600 like very like persuasive in whatever way, and we are 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.040 taught to trust it or not, Like I don't even know, 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.720 but it's like the governor, the mayor, everyone said, we 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.480 don't need all these these people don't need militia. It's 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.080 like they're the ones causing violence. They're shooting reporters with 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.840 rubber bullets on fucking camera. They're such bullies, and I 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.600 can't I don't understand why people are more mad like 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.240 fuck you you boot liquors, like fuck yeah, I don't 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.120 get how no one's like, oh, they might be causing 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.400 the riots. And then it's just family is living. It's 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:56.080 like I keep thinking about my Arta, where you live, 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.520 and yeah, my old neighborhood and all those people and 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:02.360 the feel and how that affects you and your family, 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.919 and you can't like it's awful. And then being here 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:06.960 in Mexico. My sister says she was out one night 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.920 and someone was wearing a fucking make America Great Again 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:15.960 hat here in Mexico and this king grip No. My 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:17.840 sister said, a woman attacked him and it was amazing. 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:19.879 Flips his hat off and goes, what the fuck are 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.119 you doing here? And oh if I could do that 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.600 one day to someone, Oh my god, I want to 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:26.040 start a fight so bad. 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:28.800 Yeah. No, it's just like I never forget that the 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:33.080 whole reason that I mean, yes, they want Yes they're racist, Yes, 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.159 the cruelty is the point. They're trying to get us 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.600 to not pay attention to the elon breakup, to the 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.440 big beautiful bill that's gonna fuck everybody from education to 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:46.040 snap to everything. Like they're just trying to get us 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.240 to be so consumed in all the chaos that we 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.480 can't look see what they're doing when they're trying to 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.400 fucking take everything away from you, Like, I hope you're 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:56.880 having a good time if you're one of these people 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.160 that voted for him, I hope you're having a good 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.920 time watching what you to be drug dealers carted off 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.000 to with illegally with no due process, while they are 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.760 defunding your school and not letting anybody in your community 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:08.800 get food that needs it. 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.159 Like, I hope that's you're having a great day with that. 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:15.080 I don't want to smilled neighbor, Like it's just devastating. 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:19.199 I've been texting people. I've been texting people being like, 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.640 I just want to make sure you're okay. It's it's 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.200 it's terrible, but we will Well let us know if 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.000 there's any way that you know, keep us posted. Yeah, 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.800 I'll keep you guys posted, And but I would just say, like, 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.040 you know, we've been talking about AI and shit, like 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.879 just be careful. Make sure what you're looking at is 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:41.760 not just like positioned media created images thing like Joe's 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:45.240 Woods is selling fucking James Woods is posting images from 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.840 twenty twenty, Like, make sure that what you're seeing is 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.160 what you're seeing. Talk to people, try to see people 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.280 who actually live in these cities or these places, like 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:53.879 there is not anything. 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.600 Bad happening in la any that they're trying to make 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.640 it seem. And let's say it is or whatever. Let's 0:18:58.640 --> 0:18:59.760 say everyone's looting everything. 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.919 Ask what those people, why you care more about a 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:07.680 car on fire than a mother being dragged away from 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:08.560 her daughter. 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.560 While her While someone in my mom group just posted 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.480 that they're helping a family where a woman was just 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.280 deported by ice and leaving her thirteen month old child behind. 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.879 That's like to ask yourself why you care more about 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.160 a car than a child ripped away from their fucking 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:27.600 mother for no reason, for no reason, like have some 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:32.159 fucking humanity, Like oh my god, and I told my parents, 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:33.960 I go if you were being snatched away. 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.520 I would burn a car too, and then they laughed. 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:41.000 But anyways, no, they understand it all and we're we're 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.800 just immigrants and you know it's fun. 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.760 Yeah, but we're starting. We got a start. 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:50.720 Oh my god, this episode is terrible. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:55.159 We have this is a wild episode. 0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:05.240 Good guests, hang in there with us, guys. Here we go. Okay, 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:06.320 let's jump in. 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:10.840 This is another double episode we're doing the season premiere 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.800 two episodes of season twenty Man Up and Man Down, 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:14.800 episodes one and two. 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.320 These aired in September of twenty eighteen. 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.600 And you know, we say this a lot, but these 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.679 are bad. These are bad. They haunt me. 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.560 These this episodes taught me. Yes, yes, they sent me. 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:31.959 They're hard to watch. I can't believe we're doing it. 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:36.679 Yeah, yeah, start. Yeah, this is not that they're not 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:38.679 there's all. I mean, there's so many episodes that are 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.000 hard to watch. But yeah, this is like the beginning. 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.120 Of really the new air. 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.240 Not a lot of levity, yes, like really like no 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.199 levity and these like the twenties and a lot of 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:53.919 the twenties seasons and late maybe late teens. But this 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:58.199 episode begins with live running after a suspect and the 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.960 bitch is winded. I'm not gonna lie. Okay, time stops 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.520 for no one. Carezi takes over the chase. Finn cuts 0:21:03.560 --> 0:21:05.919 the guy off in a car, pops out with a 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:08.479 gun drawn and goes, don't make me shoot you and 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.359 the purpses he's completely surrounded and takes the opportunity to 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.919 violently confess, Fine, I raped that bitch, which is I 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:19.240 just said that. Nothing is sort of not that this 0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:21.320 is funny, but it is wild that a guy would 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:22.320 just go, fine. 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:23.760 You got me, I did it. It's like it reminds 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:24.160 me of like. 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:26.639 A Boris and Natasha cartoing or something like what do 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:28.760 you tell when you tie him to the railroad tracks? 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:29.880 Like it's just crazy. 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:32.960 And then like Live catches up and she's still breathing 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:34.879 really heavy, and you could tell she's like kind of 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.600 disappointed in herself, like and when she's running, it's like 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.080 he's right there and she just can't grab him. And 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:44.160 then we cut to Stone looking at pictures of him 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:49.480 and his sister, who was kidnapped and you know, murdered 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:54.160 by a gang member sash sex trafficker right before Stone's eyes, 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.600 and he and she died in Stone's arms. 0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:00.639 Last season. So Stone's looking at pictures of his dead sister. 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:02.679 He's got a babe in his bed who's naked, asking 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.480 for prosecco, and then boom, there's another girl. 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:06.160 There's two. 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:10.320 Stone is self medicating with sex and you know. 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:12.720 He's sky I mean to have a three? We did? 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:13.160 You did? 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:14.959 Just say like this episode has no levity. 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:17.439 It's the no levity era, and we already have like 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:20.520 a guy, I know, a fun quick confession and we 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:23.800 have a threesome which we've never rat on this programming. 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:26.879 But then after this, it's over. After this, he's just 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:27.800 darkness from here. 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:28.960 Sexual. 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.520 I love Stone in his slut era, like, I don't know, 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:33.320 it's exciting. 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:34.040 Well, like we. 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:40.120 Never saw Diane Neil in bed with anyone, kiss anyone. 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:44.640 We never saw cabin, we never saw Barba, Like we're 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.760 just letting this guy fuck like he's like there's other 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.960 episodes too that we cover where he's just like going 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:50.320 home with. 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:52.400 Ladies, making out, picking up girls at bars. 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:54.600 Like I think that's They were like, if we're gonna 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.919 have a guy that's so handsome and looks good with 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:00.159 his shirt off, let's get him with his shirt off. 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:06.040 Yeahs, Yeah, well, I guess tomorrow Amar and Rollins were 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:07.160 getting hot and hey, I mean. 0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:11.440 Rollins is just yeah. But even then we saw them kiss. 0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:14.680 Yeah, like they just kind of had him come out 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:16.960 of the shower one time, like to just give us 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:18.760 a little tease. But I feel like we never even 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:22.840 really saw them make out. But this is, you know, exciting. 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:24.760 I'm it's hot and heavy. 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:28.560 Yeah. So now we cut to Amanda. 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.480 She's chatting with baby daddy number two, the one we 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:34.960 always forget about. The actor is the groom from Father 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:37.639 of the Bride. His name is George Newbern, the actor, 0:23:38.240 --> 0:23:40.960 and he's begging what. 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.720 I don't think I knew that that he's the dad, 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:47.200 that he's the He's yeah, he's the he's the groom 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:48.520 from I'm right. 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:52.640 Right, Oh my god. I am floored. I mean, now 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:55.040 I see it. I obviously see it looking at this man, 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:56.320 but I am like shocked. 0:23:56.880 --> 0:24:00.000 Yeah, Benson has I mean, if you're gonna have three 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:05.040 baby daddies, Donald log the groom from Father of the Bride, 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.400 and CARIESI are pretty good three. 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:12.640 Baby daddies, you know. Yeah, yeah yeah, And he's like 0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:14.080 this guy was it. 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:16.200 He's been in all the Father of the Bride's Father 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.040 of the Bride part three ish like, but he's in 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:23.600 four episodes as doctor Al Pollock. Wait, this is his 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:27.480 first episode, so I guess we're we don't really like 0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:29.760 see them meet or anything. This is where we meet 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.520 him for the first time. This scene that I'm describing, 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:37.520 that's crazy. And then he's you know, famously he's around 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:40.679 for like when Rollins gives birth and she's like, he 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:43.000 proposes at the hospital and she's like, get the fuck 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:44.680 out of here, and then he's never in her life 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:45.520 again pretty much. 0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:48.160 But this guy also was a standing for her money. 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:51.800 He is wealthy. I hope he's like, yeah. 0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:54.159 Yeah, if he could just pay for a nanny. That 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:59.040 then covers also you know, uh, Billy and Jesse, and 0:24:59.040 --> 0:24:59.960 then yeah, covers college. 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:00.480 I'd be great. 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.800 But he's in sixty nine episodes of Scandal, so he's 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:06.480 a regular on Scandal if you know him from that, 0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.800 But if you're a Father of the Bride person, he's 0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:14.520 in that universe. So back to this little you know, 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:16.960 they're at like a nice restaurant. Rollins is in like 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:20.040 cute outfit like there, and he's begging her for a 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:23.440 second chance. So I guess since I just looked him 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:24.840 up and this is the first episode, I guess you're 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:26.480 just supposed to be like, oh, she was dating this 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:27.920 guy and we don't know where she met him, but 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:30.520 she was like dating this doctor. Okay, and she and 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:34.399 he swears that quote the business with the escorts is 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:39.359 behind him, Like he goes, I've changed, Like what the fuck? Rollins, Like, 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:41.960 I know, you make bad decisions, but like this man's 0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:44.960 been with escorts, like and cheating on you with escorts, 0:25:45.040 --> 0:25:49.200 not like you know, it's just like he's probably hasn't changed. 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:49.960 So she leaves. 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:51.680 She gets like a look on her face, and she leaves, 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:53.919 go to the bathroom, and then you see the toilet flushing, 0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:55.880 and like, you know, if you're anybody with like a brain, 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:57.639 you're like, she's pregnant, you know, like we don't know, 0:25:57.720 --> 0:25:59.880 we don't know for sure yet, but like anybody that's 0:25:59.920 --> 0:26:01.719 like has to rush to the bathroom and then you 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:02.520 just see flushing. 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:04.320 Yeah. So when she comes. 0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:06.439 Back, she sees this guy and he's like flirting with 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:08.159 the waitress and it seems like they might even be 0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:09.040 exchanging numbers. 0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:10.600 Like he's he's not good, he's not good. 0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:14.640 He literally just finished exhaling his apology to her, and 0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:17.960 like then he's flirting with this woman. Like so, now 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:20.760 cut to a teen with a rifle. This beginning of 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:22.840 this cold open is really jumping to a lot of places. 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:26.399 It's live winded Stone in a threesome, Rollin's barfing with 0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:29.040 her cheating boyfriend, and now a teen with a rifle. 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:31.800 We're not at the credits. We're not at the credits. Okay, 0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:34.240 not even the credits. We're not even at the crime yet. Yeah, 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:35.080 we're not at anything. 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.440 So the teen with the rifle is like he looks nervous, 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:39.120 he's kind. 0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:40.400 Of like he's hesitating. 0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:42.320 Another teen is like, just shoot him, shoot it, and 0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:44.879 it's like the little target site is on a rabbit, 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:48.560 a little baby rabbit. The brother like just shoots at 0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:50.960 the rabbit and then they go find the rabbit and 0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:53.359 it's dying. It's not dead, and the older one is like, 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:56.520 just like shoot it, like do it, pussy, and like 0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:58.320 he won't. The kid won't do it. The dad is 0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:01.320 there now and he's like I can't do what. I'm sorry, dad, 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.600 And the dad tells him you should be apologizing to 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.360 the rabbit. The rabbit suffering and then the dad snaps 0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:09.440 the neck of the rabbit. So and the dad is 0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:12.119 Dylan Walls, who obviously is a huge part of my 0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:14.720 life from Niptuck, the series that I gave so much 0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.439 of my life too. And he's also in another SVU 0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:22.560 called Annihilated from season eight and refuses to do the point. 0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:24.560 We are dying to get him on the podcast. We're 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:26.600 having a hard time getting through. So if anyone knows 0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:30.760 him personally, please let us know. The younger son is 0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:33.520 crying and apologizing to his dad, and his dad goes, 0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:37.000 it's okay, he goes, you'll learn, but it's not in 0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:39.639 a gentle parenting type of way. Okay, it's ominous. The 0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:42.280 music is playing. He's not thinking he's going to like 0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:44.800 walk him through hunting until he gets it. 0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:46.600 You know. It's like he's going to be punished. 0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:49.119 So now we cut to a school principle filling in 0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:53.320 rollins in careesy. Sam Conway fifteen had blood on the 0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:57.320 back of his shorts, the kids claiming he fell. Okay, 0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.199 it's like my mother in law used to work in 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:01.800 the er and people would have light bulbs up their asses. 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:03.560 It would be like I fell. It's like that's not 0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:04.560 really how the butt hole works. 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:06.560 That's like a common thing that's always brought up, like 0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:08.919 all the light bulbs in the butt, and it's like, 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:10.119 but how do they not crack? 0:28:10.200 --> 0:28:12.359 Like what are we talking about? I know? And I 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:16.840 feel like the glass murders people, does it not? It's this, 0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:19.879 It's like so crazy. 0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:22.159 There's so many other objects you could put up your 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.000 butt that are harder, tougher glass. 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:26.640 That's what I don't get. You want something that's like that. 0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:31.680 Maybe it's like the threat of having your butt filled 0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.240 with shards of glass, but I mean Jesus, as someone 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:36.480 who's had butt botox and talked about it openly, you 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:40.760 don't want that anyway. Sam's in the nurse's office. Sam's 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.040 in the nurse's office with his brother Brian, who's very 0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:47.120 agro and Sam's just like, I just want to go home. 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:48.760 I just I fell I want to go home. 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.080 And then the mom shows up and she's worried, and 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:52.720 Chrisy's like, well, we got to take your son to 0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:55.720 the hospital. So Sam is played by Bryce Romero, who 0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.720 was also in the movie Lisa Frankenstein, which I wanted 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:02.440 to see but I didn't. So from that yeah, he's 0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:03.720 in that and. 0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:04.680 Uh was it good? 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:05.760 Yeah? 0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:06.160 I liked it. 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:07.640 I feel like it was on a plane, like in 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:09.360 the more like I think I was like in a haze. 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:12.400 And I liked it, but I should probably watch it again. Yeah, 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:15.640 I'm confusing that and the warm and the Nicholas Holt one. 0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:20.360 I loved Lisa Frankenstein. Okay, great, watch this one. 0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:21.240 Yeah, I liked it. 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:29.800 Now we're at the hospital and bad news anal penetration 0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:32.719 and most likely not by an object, and he's not talking. 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:35.080 The kid is not talking, and the family wants to 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:38.479 all believe that he fell. Cariese's telling Sam listen, buddy, 0:29:38.640 --> 0:29:41.320 the docs say this wasn't an accident, and Sam's like, I'm. 0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:42.720 Fine, okay, I needed this to happen. 0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:45.440 It's my business, and Christy goes, okay, but if you 0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:47.560 decide you're not fine, give me a call. Give me 0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:49.720 a call. And then he gives him his card. So 0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:52.000 now at the precinct, it's time for the info dump. 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:56.880 Sam Well liked good grades, plays travel baseball, volunteers in 0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:59.280 an animal shelter, Hence why he probably doesn't want to 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:00.280 shoot a fucking re abit. 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:03.680 No bullying, no red flags, with. 0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:06.360 Any of his teachers, like or anything like that. So 0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:08.160 they're kind of like at a loss. The dad owns 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:10.720 a beverage distribution company. The mom's a stay at home mom. 0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:13.400 They've been married twenty years. I mean, the stay at 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:15.560 home mom of the fifteen and the seventeen year old. 0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:17.280 I just don't get what you're doing all day long, 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.280 Like if they're at school and then they have practice 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:21.320 like from eight to six, I don't know what you're 0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.800 doing but chilling, but hopefully chilling. 0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:26.680 Well, she clearly doesn't have a great home life, so 0:30:27.160 --> 0:30:30.080 she's on edge cleaning the home so she's. 0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:33.000 Not abused later. It's not that's a good situation. Well, no, 0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:35.360 of course we're not there yet. In my notes, I'm 0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:37.360 just like, God, that sounds boring. And that's also just 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:39.680 my opinion. Maybe that sounds wonderful to some people. 0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:42.480 You could go to a breakfast, you can go to 0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:43.880 a workout class, you could. 0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:46.360 Use self maintenance. Yeah, and then you can like even 0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.520 go for a crafting. Yeah. 0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:51.880 There's tons, there's tons of Maybe maybe she's heavy into 0:30:51.880 --> 0:30:53.680 the pta at the school too, Maybe she does stuff 0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:54.240 with their school. 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:57.200 I'm Joie. I'm just saying for me, it couldn't be me. 0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:01.640 But they've been married twenty years and there's no domestic violence. 0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:05.080 There's no domestic violence that we've you know, seen this 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:08.680 in the no it's okay the law in the eyes 0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:10.760 of their record. They've been married twenty years and there's 0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:13.040 no DV. The brothers are close and they went hunting 0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:15.400 with the dad over the weekend. They're all stumped, but 0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:18.040 Coriesy goes, I don't know. Sam said something weird. He 0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.640 said this needed to happen. Yeah, that's a pretty weird 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.160 thing to fucking say. So they're like, maybe he ran 0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:26.320 into a predator up state. Now we see live facetiming 0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:28.360 with Noah and he's giving her a guilt trip for 0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:30.600 missing his game where he almost hit a home run. 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:32.640 Shut up, Noah, call me when you hit a home run. 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:33.200 She'll be there. 0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:36.400 Sam has a girlfriend who is also on her way 0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:39.440 in Rollin's is like eating banana bread and lives like 0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:42.440 something up and Rollins dodges it and is like this 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:44.800 banana bread. Oh, there's the girlfriend, and so that like 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:46.880 now they're going to talk to this girl who's allegedly 0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:48.440 Sam's girlfriend, and she's. 0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:50.920 Like like, now that's what's confusing where it's like banana bread, 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:52.320 something must be wrong. 0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:55.400 Like I know, I feel like it's like live has 0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:59.920 intuition about this kind of stuff. And also sometimes people's 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.120 faces changed when they're p but she seems like she's 0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:04.280 early along, like I don't know, but she feels like 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:05.040 she gets something. 0:32:05.080 --> 0:32:06.520 She's picking up on something. 0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:09.080 And so they're talking to the girlfriend and the girlfriend's like, 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.440 I'm not his girlfriend, girlfriend, Like we tried one time, 0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.440 but he just couldn't do it. And she says she's 0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:18.040 pissed at him because they were supposed to study last 0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:20.760 night and he called her wasted. He was either laughing 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:23.320 or crying and he said I became a man tonight. 0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:25.440 So what yikes. 0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.920 So then they go to the bar where I guess 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.000 they trace her phone and find out where the phone 0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:33.400 call came from. The bartender goes, oh, yeah, this kid 0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:35.480 was at the bar with his dad. They show a 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:37.880 picture of the dad and he go of Dylan Walsh 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:39.800 and they're like, the guy goes, that's not the guy. 0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.400 This guy had white hair and glasses. He paid cash, 0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.320 but I think they left in an uber. They pick 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.680 up the uber. No one else ubered from this bar, 0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.280 they get this guy immediately. His name is Gus Haverford. 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.200 He's fifty five and he's an SVP at Morgan Stanley. 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:56.640 So as they go talk to this guy, Rollin's uncovers 0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:59.880 that Carisi has never had a massage, and she's shocked. 0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.280 She cannot believe it, and I'm like, you can't believe that, 0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:04.600 Sonny Kreese's never been like, yeah, can I get a 0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:05.959 fifty five minute shiatsu? 0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:09.640 I don't think anybody thinks that's happening, Like so like 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.800 that law school to study for. Yeah, exactly. 0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:16.560 They see Haverford and he immediately goes, I swear I 0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:19.840 didn't know the kid was fifteen, so very very forthcoming 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:23.000 for a fifty five year old financial guy who could 0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:25.680 probably lose his whole fucking life over this. And so 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:29.160 now in interrogation, this guy's explaining, listen, the kid was 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:31.720 fucked up. I had an uber take him home and 0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:33.280 they're like, yeah, your hands are all over him. 0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:35.120 He's like, I was trying to comfort him. He was crying, 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:35.960 and he goes. 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:38.479 Sam didn't want to go home, but he seemed more 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:41.160 worried about his brother, and he kept rambling about a 0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:43.520 rabbit and then he's kind of like, all right, if 0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:44.480 I'm gonna say anything. 0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:45.000 Else, I want a lawyer. 0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:46.880 And so Live and Finn are watching through the glass 0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:49.600 and lives like something did happen on that hunting trimp 0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:53.080 and Finn goes, white people in rifles, don't ask me, 0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:55.800 and it's like, again, put it in the coffee table book, 0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:57.840 like I don't understand why there's not a book being 0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:00.240 created of just beautiful images. 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:01.320 And Finn sayings. 0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:05.200 Finn goes to talk to Brian, who's the brother, and 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.319 he's on his way to baseball practice and he's like, yeah, 0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:10.000 I was worried sick about my brother when he went 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:12.200 out that night, but then he came home. He puked everywhere. 0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:13.719 I cleaned him up and I put him to bed. 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:16.799 And Finn's like, come on, dude, like the injuries. You 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:18.800 know your brother was raped, and he's like, my brother's 0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:20.680 not gay. It's like, I love how that's like the 0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.200 main that's the main thing that could be the worst 0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:26.200 case scenario here. And he picks up that Finn is 0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:28.359 hinting that he might have something to do with it all, 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.040 and he's like, you guys are sick, and he walks 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.439 to the bus and he's like, how about that rabbit, though, 0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.160 Finn says and the good the Kid's like taking aback 0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:38.759 that Finn knows about the rabbit. So now back at 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:42.279 the precinct, they're filling in Live and they're like, we 0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:44.640 feel like the brother knows what's up. Cariesy's like, I'm 0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:47.640 gonna make some calls. Then Live takes this opportunity to 0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:50.920 talk to Rollins again and he's like, girl, whatever's up 0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:52.960 with you? Tell me or don't tell me, and then 0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:58.239 Rollins blurts out, I'm pregnant, and Live's face lights up. Congratulations. 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:00.920 But going off of Rollins, it's like, maybe not good news, 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:04.000 Like and what we've seen this guy that she's pregnant 0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.759 with is a fucking like asshole. 0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:10.799 So careesy momonizer, But you know, j Benson's always got 0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:11.799 baby's on the brain. 0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:15.319 She's really I mean, I talk about it later. It's 0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:19.080 a little disappointing, uh, to be honest, Like I would 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:21.279 just assume that she'd be a little bit more like 0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:25.520 okay and like wait to see you Amanda's thoughts on 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:28.240 it before just going like planning you a baby shower. Girl, 0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:31.000 Like you know, she's just immediately so excited about it. 0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:35.120 So they get interrupted in their little chat about the 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:38.640 baby because Careese busts in, and it's because Sam and 0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:41.280 Brian just got into a fight with each other at school, 0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:43.719 so now they're at school, they're holding Brian back. He 0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:46.200 gets free and goes after his brother again, telling him 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:50.000 he's being a baby, and then they like the cops haven't, 0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:52.600 but then he wiggles out of the cops grip and 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.440 takes off running and now here we go again, making 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:57.719 Olivia run and she's chasing him and she just can't 0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:00.600 grab him. She's like right there grabbing her hands out 0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:02.839 like gimmy, gimme, gimmey, and she's not getting him. He 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:07.560 knocks over a bicyclist. The bicyclist does it seem like 0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:10.520 she's going that fast and she gets knocked over. Cariese 0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:13.239 steps in and grabs Brian, and the biker's on the 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:16.759 ground crying and screaming, and it doesn't look like that 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:19.600 high speed of a collision, but something happened and she's 0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:23.319 in bad shape. So at the precinct, now Stone and 0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:25.479 Liver are watching Brian through the fishbowl and Live thinks 0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:27.440 maybe the brother is a victim too, and will give 0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:30.960 us something. Rollins is trying to connect with Brian, who's like, 0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:34.080 I love Sam, I wouldn't actually hurt him, and they're like, 0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.360 you were just trying to punch his lights out at school, 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:38.160 like what the fuck? And then asked me about the 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:40.759 hunting trip and he's like, yeah, we go hunting. My 0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:43.080 dad shot a bore one s cool story, bro, Like 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:44.839 I don't know why he's bringing it up. And he's 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:47.200 like so pissed that his brother wouldn't shoo the rabbit, 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:49.120 like as if like a rabbit is like some rare 0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:51.200 animal that you don't get like a chance every day. 0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:51.879 To get a shot at. 0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:56.200 Like there, everything's nice, Yeah the fuck. Yeah, they're all 0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:59.120 like just acting really really psycho about the rabbit. 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.799 Dad reminds me of the dad from American Beauty. Oh, 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:06.680 the neighbor dad. Yeah, yeah, yes, he's good. 0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:11.280 What's that actor's name, Chris Cooper, Chris Cooper, Yeah, yeah, 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:15.600 totally giving those vibes. And then we're talking to the 0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:18.400 mom now and Sam and she's like, what, brother's fight, 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:21.239 Like the mom's a little battie and she's like it 0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:24.520 looked like he was trying to kill you or shut 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.200 you up or about something, and then the dad joins 0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:29.880 the combo and he drops this big bomb where he goes, 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:32.120 you know, Sam came out to me this morning. 0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:32.759 He's gay. 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:36.000 The mom is like, what, Like, that's not the thing 0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:38.000 that you, as a husband just really like say to 0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:40.239 the cops, and you've not told your wife yet, and 0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.239 he's like, yeah, he met a young man on the 0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:45.640 trip and one thing led to another. We talked it out. 0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:49.120 Everyone's good. Sam does not look good. Sam looks really 0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:52.239 upset and he's obviously going along with what his dad says. 0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:55.600 He's lying pretty hardchries. He's like, Okay, what's the story 0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:57.040 with the guy? What did he look like, how old 0:37:57.160 --> 0:37:58.840 was he? What was his build? And the dad's like, 0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:00.719 you don't really need a question my son about this 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:03.279 unless being gay as illegal. And they're like, what are 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:05.480 you not getting about your son being fifteen and he 0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:07.960 can't consent. So unless he met like a sixteen year 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:10.759 old out in the woods and had sex with them, 0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.400 then if it was a man, this is still a crime. 0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:16.759 And the dad's like, we're leaving, so I don't. It's like, 0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:20.279 it's crazy. This whole thing. Stone is not buying the 0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:22.360 Sam had a steamy hook up in the Woods story. 0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.040 He thinks the father's protecting Sam from the older brother Brian. 0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:27.359 They're gonna call CPS. They need to get Sam out 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:27.880 of that house. 0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:30.680 House Live thinks the mom knows what's going on, so 0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:31.440 let's talk to her. 0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:32.200 Her name is Molly. 0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.120 So now they're at the family's massive apartment by the way, 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:38.840 and Molly's like, can't talk. The dad is out for 0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:41.400 pizza with my boys, and she goes like, we have 0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:43.640 something to celebrate. So she's obviously like, yeah, why the 0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:46.880 fuck we having a pizza party? Like, my son obviously 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.880 had some kind of weird Woods encounter. We don't know 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.800 what's going on, and Lives like, how are you gonna 0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.239 get through life with Sam with him knowing you didn't 0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:57.160 protect him or keep him safe? And she's like what 0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:00.960 can I do? And she's like then she finally gets 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.440 to it, like, Lives like, tell me what happened, Like 0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:05.600 tell me the truth, and she's like, well, I heard 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:08.400 sounds coming from Sam's room. I was listening at the door. 0:39:08.719 --> 0:39:11.440 I heard Sam whimpering. She said it sounded like an animal. 0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:14.399 It broke her heart, and she says she went in 0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:16.480 and Sam was on the bed, and she goes and 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.440 he was just standing there zipping his pants up. And 0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:23.600 they go Brian, and she goes my husband and live 0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:25.719 is shocked. No one was thinking at all it could 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:28.160 be this dad at all. Like everyone's like, no, it's 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:32.319 more likely that the older brother raped his brother than 0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:34.720 the dad, even though I don't know. We're in SVUW 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:37.400 have we've seen this time and time again. Molly said 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:40.600 that later, when she talked to her husband about it, 0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:43.879 he said, don't say a word. Sam's fine. The next day, 0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:46.319 she said she found bloody underwear in the closet. John 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.000 told her to wash them. She's upset and she's crying 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:50.719 and she like can't believe she turned a blind eye 0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:51.200 to all of this. 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:52.840 And then John and the boys come home with the 0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:54.279 pizza and the cops arrest him. 0:39:55.280 --> 0:40:00.600 So in interrogation, John is freaking out, saying, my wife 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.440 agrees with whatever the last person said to her, says 0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:06.359 like he's basically has zero respect for his wife. He's 0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:08.600 freaking out being like, you guys are sick. How could 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:11.080 you put these ideas in? And he's like they're like, dude, 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.280 we didn't even think it was you, like we fully 0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:16.160 were going after your son, like your wife is the 0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:18.400 one that pointed us to you. And his lawyer is 0:40:18.480 --> 0:40:21.359 Kurt Fuller, and you've seen him in like ninety thousand things. 0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:24.040 He was also in the episode Info Wars and season 0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:27.120 nineteen as the same character. He's a defense attorney named 0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:32.400 Jed Carrey Uh. And suddenly he stops freaking out the 0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:35.640 dad and asks Stone, do you hunt mister Stone? And 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.239 then he tells a stupid fucking monologue about killing an 0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:41.600 innocent deer. It's like, truly the toxic masculinity version of 0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:44.360 Marissa Tomey's monologue about the baby deer and my cousin Vinnie. 0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:46.359 It's just like he digs the opposite side of it. 0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:47.800 I've never seen my cousin Vinnie. 0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:52.080 Oh my gosh. Put that into the right with ghosts. 0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:54.800 You would love it. You would love it, Marissa Tomay, 0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:56.400 Joe Peschi. They're so good in it. 0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:58.279 It's so good. It's so good. I love that. I 0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:01.640 know it's really wild. Yeah, I love I actually feel 0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:02.480 shame about that. 0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:06.160 It's actually also so good because it's like a it's 0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:09.880 like a comedy, but there is like this great crime 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:13.040 and twists and they use police work, and so I think, like, 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:15.840 procedurally you will as a procedural fan, you will like 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:19.479 it as well. So this fucking guy is just trying 0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:22.120 a big time stone about what a cool manly man 0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:22.480 he is. 0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:23.760 Like I don't even flinch. 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:27.520 I just fucking kill innocent animals with my rifle, like 0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:30.399 I'm so awesome. And in the next scene, I'm sorry, 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:33.600 I like literally have almost I just have like no 0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.319 respect for hunting. Like if you need to hunt for 0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:41.920 your food, then okay, But like I had to, I've 0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.359 had to hide friends on my Facebook and stuff who 0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:47.240 will just post photos of them like holding up wild 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:50.160 game as like a prize when it's like you just 0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:52.960 and I know people are eating meat and that's fine. 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:54.560 I'm not even that, but it's like to just go 0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:57.520 out and not even use the meat for anything or 0:41:57.600 --> 0:41:59.840 the spurs for anything. You're just doing it to kill it, 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:02.600 Like I just it's wild to me, Like I'm really 0:42:02.680 --> 0:42:05.720 kind of grossed out by it. But in the next scene, 0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:09.239 Caresee catches up to Sam at batting practice and Sam's 0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:12.560 like leave me alone, and Caresee's like, let's talk sports, 0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:14.520 and I'm gonna get this kid to open up and 0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:16.399 he's like, oh, my dad used to bust my balls 0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:18.279 about passing up shots in basketball. 0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:20.919 And then he's like that's why he goes. 0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:22.839 I think that's why they invented sports, so dads would 0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:23.800 have something to talk about. 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:26.719 With their sons. And Sam wants Cariesy to like let 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:26.920 it go. 0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:28.640 He's like, let it go, and Carisey's like, dude, you 0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:30.839 know I can't do that. And he's like, your mom 0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:32.319 saw your dad in that room. 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:33.120 She told us. 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:35.880 And just when we think Sam is about to break 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:39.560 down and admit everything, he's like, just because your life 0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:41.560 sucks doesn't mean my life has to suck. Your dad 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:43.520 blows My dad rules. He would never hurt me, and 0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:45.680 I'll never say he did. Like this guy, this kid 0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:48.520 is really holding on so fucking tight. Like in other 0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:51.080 episodes that we've seen, we see kids live for their parents, 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:52.640 cover up for their abuse or blah blah blah, but 0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:55.840 at some point they're eventually like okay, And this kid's 0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.839 just holding on so tight to the like his dad 0:42:58.880 --> 0:43:00.960 being the best guy on illusion. 0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:03.279 So now Live and Stone are in a walk and talk. 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:05.600 Stone's like, I don't care what kind of world this 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:08.120 is as if this is like the first ancestual atrocity 0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:10.319 that's run across his desk, like I don't understand, but 0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:13.040 and then Liv goes, I guess there has to be 0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:15.279 a hell so we can recognize heaven. And then the 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:16.960 two of them like talk a lot, a bunch of 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:20.200 scripture bullshit, and it's like it's a weird moment, like 0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:21.440 Live doesn't usually. 0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:23.239 Talk like that. That feels like a little bit of 0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:24.480 Marishka sneaking in there. 0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:29.160 And Stone doesn't get why kids have to suffer, and uh, 0:43:29.520 --> 0:43:31.560 Olivia is like, listen, if you ever need to talk 0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:34.279 about Pam, I'm here for you, and Stone's like, she's dead, 0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:36.720 what is there to talk about? And then he changes 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:38.719 the subject like he doesn't want to, he doesn't really 0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.280 want the shoulder to cry on. He changes the subject 0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:43.799 to John Conway. They're going to try to bring him 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.839 to trial without a complaining witness, and Live can't believe that, 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.200 and he goes, well, the war you can't win is 0:43:49.239 --> 0:43:51.040 the only one worth fighting, so. 0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:53.839 All right, Yeah, so. 0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:57.120 Now we're in court and a nerd, which is which 0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:00.480 is funny because that's literally the opposite of every da, 0:44:00.719 --> 0:44:03.399 Like every DA to the ada's is like, if you're 0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:04.879 not gonna win, get the fuck out of the court room, 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:06.200 like I don't know why you're even here, Like I 0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:07.520 don't even care who this is. 0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:09.480 Just stop if you can't win, and get go home. 0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:13.120 So now we're in court and a nerd. 0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:14.839 Is on the stand talking about the DNA samples they 0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:18.839 found in Sam's underwear. So basically, they found blood and 0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:21.719 semen on this kid's underwear. But the lawyer makes the 0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.440 case that because the underwear was washed with the clothes 0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:27.960 of other family members, he's like, couldn't have been transferred. 0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:31.040 This is what Jed is saying the attorney and he 0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:34.839 the defense attorney, and he's like. The nerd goes, it's possible, 0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:37.560 and he goes, is it likely? And he goes under 0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:39.560 certain conditions, like I don't know. If I were on 0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:41.560 the jury, I'd probably be like, this guy doesn't seem 0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:45.359 like a piece of semen went in the wash onto 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.600 this underwear, Like I don't know, that doesn't seem like 0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:52.400 science to me, but perhaps Stone calls the mom to 0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:56.040 the stage, to the stage, Oh my god, that's so crazy. 0:44:56.520 --> 0:44:59.600 Stone calls the mom to the stand, and Jed carried 0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:03.680 the defense attorney objects over spousal privilege, and the judge is, like, 0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:08.279 in my chambers. So they meet in chambers and somehow 0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:12.600 the judge agrees that this counts for spousal privilege, like 0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:17.480 you see your husband possibly doing something horrible to your child, 0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.240 Like maybe she couldn't testify to the fact that he said, 0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:24.040 don't say anything about this, because that's like pillow talk. 0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:26.560 But if you walked in on a crime being committed 0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:28.040 by your spouse, I. 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:29.480 Don't think you're well. 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:31.440 I also thought that was like to protect if you 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.279 want enact it, But you can testify against someone you're 0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:36.160 married to, you can't. 0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:41.040 Yeah, But I think the point is, I guess that 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:44.359 they're making here is without a complaining witness, he has 0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:45.440 to sustain the objection. 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:47.160 Like if there was a. 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:53.719 Complaintant that was confirming that a crime occurred, then she 0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:56.160 could testify because she'd be testifying to a crime according 0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:59.000 But right now she's just a testifying to something she 0:45:59.080 --> 0:46:01.880 saw happen in their home, which I guess is protected. 0:46:02.000 --> 0:46:05.400 I don't get it, but I can't believe that. I 0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:08.719 can't believe that he stone would even go for it, 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:10.840 thinking that this would be a possibility, because there's no 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:12.920 case without that, like there's no case without what the 0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:16.480 mom saw, you know. So back at the office, the 0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:18.319 Live finds out that the lady on the bike who 0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:21.000 fell over screaming during the chase with Brian has a 0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:22.800 broken leg and she's gonna be at a cast for 0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:25.520 three months and lives having an existential crisis over it. 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:29.000 She's a mom and a cop, and she's like, what 0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:30.680 happens when I wake up one day and I can't 0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:32.640 do one of those things? Am I less of? Am 0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:35.759 I less of a person? And she's just bummed. She 0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:38.239 got winded. She's like, I had to stop running and 0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:40.720 this woman broke got her leg broken because I couldn't 0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:44.160 catch the guy. And Finn's like, girl, I like ran 0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:45.000 in decades. 0:46:45.239 --> 0:46:48.160 Yeah. Finn's like, Babe, we're old, that's life. What are 0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:50.040 you gonna do. He's like, I feel the exact same way. 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:52.000 I like it. My lungs can't fill with air. 0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:54.520 Like it's fine, the young guys can come with us 0:46:54.520 --> 0:46:57.480 and do the chases. It's also like people have like 0:46:57.600 --> 0:47:01.320 accidentally died in these chases. This broken legs, She'll be okay, 0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:04.240 you know what I mean, Like it's just it's not great. 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:06.839 But it's like she shouldn't be doubting her whole personality 0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:10.640 in life choices, Kreese meets Stone at some swanky bar 0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:15.200 and Stone's like, well, the trial's basically over because Cariesy's like, 0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:17.479 you're drinking before the trial and he's like, it's basically over, 0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:20.840 and Caresey tells him Sam is both terrified and embarrassed 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:23.640 by his dad. Stone wants to get Sam on the stand, 0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:26.880 but that doesn't seem likely, so then Stone leaves and 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:29.120 Caresey goes, I'll get your tab and then the tab 0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:30.799 they slide the tab over it and he goes, how 0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:32.640 much trouble am I in? And when he gets the tab, 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:34.680 he goes, how long has he been here? So you 0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:38.160 hit the feeling that Stone is blacked out so in court, 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.879 which is funny that we're completely fine with that here 0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:45.680 because he's in mourning and he's like a manly man da. 0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:47.960 But when it was Sonya, when it was Sonya Paxton, 0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:50.720 we couldn't allow her to be drunk in court, okay, 0:47:51.080 --> 0:47:55.000 double standard? In court, Stone calls the mom and the 0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:57.200 defense is like, I'm sorry, what the fuck? Like, didn't 0:47:57.239 --> 0:47:59.160 we just didn't we just go over this and it's 0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:01.360 not happening, And so they approached the bench and so 0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:05.520 and goes, well, circumstances have changed since the wife tampered 0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:08.759 with evidence. She's now a co conspirator, a co conspirator, 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:10.360 and the judge is like, you'll have to charge her, 0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:13.000 and he goes, yep, I'm charging her. So now their 0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:16.080 communications are no longer protected because now they are co 0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:17.040 conspirators in a crime. 0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:21.120 Look at this, Oh gameplay maybe yeah, maybe the drunk idea, 0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:23.120 maybe a drunk idea from the bar. 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:25.840 Yeah, he got wasted and was like, yes, thank you 0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:28.400 Johnny Walker for helping me come up with this. So 0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:31.440 we cut to the mom testifying to what she saw 0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:33.319 and how john later told her to keep her trap 0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:36.319 shut about it. Then on Cross, the defense is making 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:38.719 her look like a liar because she never said anything, like, 0:48:38.760 --> 0:48:41.040 she never told anyone the story for a really long time. 0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:43.160 He's like, like, the first time did you talk to the cops, 0:48:43.280 --> 0:48:44.640 the second time you talked to the cops, did you 0:48:44.640 --> 0:48:45.040 tell them this? 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:46.719 And she's like no, No, did you tell the nurse? 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:47.680 Did you tell the principle? 0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:50.000 Like and he was like, that's why would you tell 0:48:50.040 --> 0:48:53.359 the principle anyway. She also, I saw something really weird 0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:56.239 in my house last night. She also admits that she 0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.719 doesn't know what happened in that room, only what she saw, and. 0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:02.880 It's like, what the fuck, Like what the fuck? 0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:06.080 So now Sam is on the stand and he's basically 0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:07.560 calling his mom a batshit. 0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:07.919 Little cuckoo bird. 0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:09.759 He's like, I love her, but she doesn't know what 0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:12.319 the fuck is going on or what she's saying. He 0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:14.680 denies on the sand that his dad assaulted him, and 0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:17.480 then his lawyer makes him tell the story of meeting 0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:20.319 the man on the hunting trip, like they don't ask 0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:23.960 him for one fucking corroborating thing. 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:26.360 Where did you guys meet? Where did the sex take place? 0:49:26.440 --> 0:49:26.640 Like what? 0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:27.840 Like nothing? 0:49:27.840 --> 0:49:31.200 He doesn't know anything because it didn't happen on Stone's Cross. 0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:34.680 He asks Sam for all the details, and then he's like, 0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:37.319 it's kind of weird. You remember everything about the hunting trip, 0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:39.160 but you don't remember anything about the first time you 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:43.440 had sex on that hunting trip. And Sam's like, listen, 0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:46.760 my dad killed a moose when he was twelve. My brother, 0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:48.879 my brother killed a deer when he was fifteen. It's 0:49:48.880 --> 0:49:51.160 like a write a passage in the family and then 0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:54.200 Stone asks Sam, like, were you scared of your dad 0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:56.720 during the hunting trip? And he goes, I just wanted 0:49:56.760 --> 0:49:59.200 to be a man, and he goes, right, and a 0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:01.840 man gets a man who gets scared needs to be punished, 0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:04.319 needs to be humiliated, right, and that's what your dad did. 0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:07.000 And Sam's like, no, no, my dad wouldn't do that, 0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:12.160 and so yeah, holding on so tight. Now the jury 0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:15.280 comes back with a not guilty verdict. Careese and Stone 0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:18.759 look at Sam and walk off like we tried to 0:50:18.800 --> 0:50:21.560 help you, kid, And then the mom is with the family, 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:24.279 even though she just testified against her husband in court, 0:50:24.360 --> 0:50:27.480 like I'm not really understanding any of that like that, 0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:30.040 the mom's like, all right, well, I guess you're in 0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:32.280 a sense. We all go home like it's really weird, 0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:33.160 But that's part one. 0:50:33.239 --> 0:50:35.560 That's man. Man, she doesn't worry. You know what's she 0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:38.200 can now? I mean, you're right, you're right. 0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:41.399 If there's if there's, yeah, I'm sure that man has 0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:43.600 Like I just made her sign a prenup and a 0:50:43.640 --> 0:50:45.479 posting up and everything in between so that she gets 0:50:45.560 --> 0:50:47.839 nothing if she walks out the door. And that's also 0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:49.640 probably another reason why she's a stay at home mom. 0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:52.520 He probably demands that, right, like he wants like a tradwife. 0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:54.399 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Like she. 0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:55.920 Maybe she's like, hey, I was wondering if I could 0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:57.840 take a couple hours down at the cat shelter, and 0:50:57.880 --> 0:50:59.719 he's like, no, kill the cat. 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:04.200 So anyway, man down. Next episode, we obviously get. 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:06.160 The recap, and then the next thing we see, the 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.520 cold open, we see Stone is on the front steps 0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:10.960 of the courthouse and he's obviously getting shit from his boss, 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:13.719 the DA on the phone for losing because he does 0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:15.880 not believe that the fights you can't win are the 0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:16.799 ones worth fighting for. 0:51:16.920 --> 0:51:18.160 He does not believe that his boss. 0:51:18.600 --> 0:51:22.040 So Live follows Molly the Mom into the bathroom and 0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:24.400 she's like, I know what you're gonna say, and then 0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:27.919 she's like, listen, let's call CPS, like let's get Sam 0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:29.680 out of that house. And Molly's like, and break up 0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:33.600 our family because honestly she's indoctrinated too that like, the 0:51:33.640 --> 0:51:36.240 family is the core, the nuclear family is the core 0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:39.680 of the world, of society, of everything in your life, 0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:42.000 and so like to break up the family to keep 0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:43.600 her son safe. 0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:48.120 Yes, kids aren't safe Toget like, what, Yeah, it's it's 0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:51.040 like family is broken, babe, the family is broken. 0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:53.360 So many people are like, well, we stay together for 0:51:53.400 --> 0:51:53.880 the kids. 0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:55.960 And it's like when you guys hate each other and 0:51:56.000 --> 0:51:58.960 there's clearly like sort of like verbal or emotional abuse 0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:01.319 going on between you, and that's what you want. That's 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:02.480 how that's better for the kids. 0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:03.920 Like it doesn't. It's wild. 0:52:04.000 --> 0:52:05.600 I know that it's like not cut and dry when 0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:09.240 it comes to divorce, but like there's so many people 0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:10.759 that want to stay together. 0:52:10.560 --> 0:52:13.399 But everyone's all so clearly scared of this man. Yeah 0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:15.160 you know, yeah, he is scared of this mother. 0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:19.280 And he has guns. Yes, exactly. He's like a hunting freak, 0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:20.200 you know what I mean. 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:22.520 Right, And I'm sure he has nice skills, like he 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:26.480 snapped the rabbit's fucking neck with his hands. Yeah, and 0:52:26.560 --> 0:52:29.960 lives like, no, I don't want to break up your family. 0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:31.840 I just want you to protect your son, which I 0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:33.880 know you've been trying to do, And she's like, I 0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:36.440 could keep it safe by staying with him, and then 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:39.520 lives like how you cannot watch him all the time, 0:52:39.920 --> 0:52:42.080 And then she goes. The mom goes, John knows he 0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:45.960 crossed a line and lives like Jesus crossed the line, 0:52:46.000 --> 0:52:48.279 like he raped your son, and this woman is like 0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:50.560 du Lulu town. She goes, well, a jury found him 0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:52.359 not guilty, so maybe I didn't see what I saw. 0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:55.880 And yeah, I mean she's a victim too. Probably the 0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:59.440 alternative for her is years of legal and emotional battles. 0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:01.840 And that does sound like the move for her family 0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:04.799 and lives like okay, well, at least promise me that 0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:08.040 you'll all get counseling, and Molly's like, we don't need 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:08.479 your help. 0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:09.960 Talk to you never, bye forever. 0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:13.120 And then the next morning, the mom is up to 0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:14.080 get Sam up for school. 0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.000 She goes into his room. It's like six thirty. 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:19.600 She's lying and he's lying in bed, looking traumatized, just 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:20.879 generally traumatized. 0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:23.040 She's like, you don't have to go to school today, 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:24.720 but he's like really. 0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:26.759 And at first he's like, oh really, and she's like, yeah, 0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:29.120 you don't have to go, and he goes, no, I 0:53:29.160 --> 0:53:29.520 want to go. 0:53:29.600 --> 0:53:31.520 I want to go. And then now they're. 0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:34.600 All at the breakfast table, huge apartment again massive, and 0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:37.280 they're at this like long breakfast table for four people 0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:40.960 talking about baseball practice and Molly's like, maybe I can 0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:42.640 pick you guys up after practice and we can go 0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:46.000 to shake Shack, and the Dad's like, Molly, they're teenagers, 0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:48.680 not toddlers, and it's like, yeah, actually toddlers hate shake Shack, 0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:52.240 you rapist fuck Like, like I guess because she's offering 0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:53.839 to pick them up, and they're like, we could take 0:53:53.880 --> 0:53:56.960 the subway, mom, we're men. And so this breakfast is 0:53:57.080 --> 0:53:59.640 really fucking tense. Like Sam is picking up oja to 0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:02.080 drink it and his hand is fucking trembling. It's really 0:54:02.080 --> 0:54:05.839 really tense. Everyone seems like they're walking on eggshells over 0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:08.200 the dead. They're trying to make sure Sam's like not 0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:11.680 gonna lose it. Brian and Sam are now walking into 0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:13.919 school and Brian's like, just keep your head down, don't 0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:16.040 say shit to anyone, text me if you need me. 0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:18.440 I don't care that the school has no phone rules. 0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:20.759 Don't be a pussy and just use your phone. I'll 0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:22.880 protect you. I won't let anything bad happen to you 0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:25.640 ever again. So that's an admission from the Sun the 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:28.120 other son that something bad happens. He's like, I'm not 0:54:28.120 --> 0:54:31.360 gonna let anything happen you ever again. So now Sam 0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:35.759 walks into school and it's like whether it's true or 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:39.240 not because I can't tell whether people at school knew 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:41.080 what was happening because his name would have been kept 0:54:41.080 --> 0:54:43.719 out of the papers if he's a minor, right, but 0:54:43.760 --> 0:54:44.560 the dad's. 0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:45.680 Name probably would have been. 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:50.280 People would have been talking. So he walks into school. 0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:52.880 It's like, you can he probably missed school to testify. 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:55.000 I don't know, right, It's like, my thing is, you 0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:56.839 wouldn't send a kid back to that school at all, 0:54:56.880 --> 0:54:58.480 like they would start a new school, they would go 0:54:58.520 --> 0:54:59.839 to like a new life, you know what I mean. 0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:02.120 You couldn't send your kid back to school after he 0:55:02.160 --> 0:55:05.200 has stood trial in a case about he's dad raping him. 0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:10.319 So anyway, Sam walks into school. He feels everybody looking 0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:12.399 at him, like all these heads are turning. People are 0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:16.719 like looking at him. Long stairs. A friend, Yeah, like 0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:19.719 the girlfriend girl is there and she's looking at him, 0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:21.479 and then she walks up to him and she's like saying, 0:55:21.680 --> 0:55:22.640 such a baby face. 0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:24.439 Like that's the thing. Like the cast sing in this 0:55:24.480 --> 0:55:26.959 is so good? Do you really feel for this boy 0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:27.680 and the abuse? 0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:28.560 It just sucks. 0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:33.520 It really is like an upsetting Yeah, great, role, great role. 0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:37.239 He's you know, smashed it. Yeah, he does really really 0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:37.920 great work in this. 0:55:38.040 --> 0:55:40.520 And his the girlfriend girl walks up to him and 0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:42.680 is like Sam, Sam, and he just ignores her and 0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:44.320 he just stands in the doorway staring. 0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:46.360 And so then all the kids have entered the school 0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:47.280 and he's. 0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:49.799 Just staring there and he's got his baseball bag over 0:55:49.880 --> 0:55:53.719 his shoulder and then he like holds the baseball bag like. 0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:55.280 A gun and you're like fuck. 0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:58.200 And then he walks into school and there's a big 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:00.759 wide shot of the school and we hear gunshots and 0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:06.120 screams and that's the credits. So obviously this episode comes 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:10.840 out in twenty eighteen, were almost twenty years past the 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:12.920 epidemic of school shootings, you know what I mean, Like 0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:15.560 the column mine was in ninety nine, So any of 0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:18.279 us watching this show are like, we know what's happening, right, 0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:20.480 Like everyone is flooding out of the school. 0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:23.560 They're getting the breakdown. 0:56:23.880 --> 0:56:27.759 Single shooter, male semi automatic hunting rifle, at least six victims. 0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:30.920 The principals there says the shooter just kept shooting with 0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:33.239 this dead look in his eye, and they're like, who 0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:33.520 was it? 0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:34.040 And she's like. 0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:36.600 Sam Conway is the shooter, which of course we know, 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:39.800 but Live and Rollins are like, what like the fact 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:41.359 that they would get a call to that school about 0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:43.880 a school shooting and not go immediately it's Sam Conway, 0:56:44.040 --> 0:56:45.800 Like you should know what's happening. 0:56:45.800 --> 0:56:47.240 It's like the day after the trial. 0:56:47.760 --> 0:56:51.000 So now Careesi and Finn are talking to Brian and 0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:52.480 he's like, I don't know where Sam is. I don't 0:56:52.480 --> 0:56:54.600 know where he is because apparently they found his gun, 0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:57.760 but he's escaped somehow. He got out in the flood 0:56:57.760 --> 0:57:00.000 of students, like he just kind of blended inside. 0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:00.880 How An escaped. 0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:06.000 So now Brian said what he saw was Sam shooting, 0:57:06.040 --> 0:57:07.560 and he went up to him and said, what the 0:57:07.600 --> 0:57:08.320 hell are you doing? 0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:08.760 Sam? 0:57:08.800 --> 0:57:11.239 Just stop it totally what you'd say to your brother 0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:13.719 while he's shooting up at school. And then Sam just 0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:17.360 said are you happy now? And then he said Sam 0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:20.000 also kept saying I need to concentrate. You don't concentrate, 0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:24.120 you lose the game, which is yeah, kind of a disturbing, 0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:27.240 you know thing to be whispering to. 0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:28.880 Yourself as you are shooting up a school. 0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:33.120 So Careese says that makes Caresy remember all their sports 0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:35.160 chats and he goes, I know where to find Sam. 0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:38.760 Thinn goes tell ESU and Cariese goes, no, they're going 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:41.120 to kill him like on site, and Finn goes, maybe 0:57:41.160 --> 0:57:43.919 they should, which is a bit of a hearkening back 0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:47.000 to Finn from older days, like Finn used to be 0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:49.080 very black and white. But it's like Finn, you know, 0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:52.680 this is a traumatized kid whose father sexually assaulted him. 0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:53.520 Like, let's give. 0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:57.320 Him a small, tiny, teeny break, you know, even though 0:57:57.400 --> 0:58:00.440 a school shooting is obviously horrific, but maybe let's not 0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:03.840 shoot him on site. And so Careesy finds Sam at 0:58:03.880 --> 0:58:06.080 the same baseball field where they had their chats before. 0:58:06.200 --> 0:58:08.600 Cariese identifies himself and is like, hands where I can 0:58:08.600 --> 0:58:12.080 see him. Sam stands up and he has a handgun 0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:14.120 and he's got it to his head and he's just 0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:15.400 going just let me die. 0:58:15.560 --> 0:58:16.640 I don't deserve to live. 0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:19.160 I don't deserve to eat chocolate chip waffles or play 0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:22.960 baseball or kiss girls, and Cariesy tries to convince him, like, 0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:25.400 you don't do that, that's taking the easy way out. 0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:28.400 He's kind of appealing to, like his sense of masculinity, 0:58:28.440 --> 0:58:31.720 that's been like fucking beaten into him, and he's like, 0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:34.360 that's not justice for your friends. And he tries to 0:58:34.400 --> 0:58:36.920 convince him also that it will be really mean for 0:58:37.000 --> 0:58:39.200 your dad for you to kill yourself, like your dad's 0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:41.200 really worried about you. And he's like, you talk to 0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:44.120 my dad and he's like, yeah, he's super worried, man, 0:58:45.040 --> 0:58:46.920 and you're definitely gonna send him the message that you 0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:47.360 hate him. 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:49.240 And he's like, no, I don't hate him. I love him. 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:51.680 And it's like this kid is so gone, Like even 0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:54.680 after he's done all this, even after he's seen like 0:58:54.760 --> 0:58:57.760 what has turned him into a monster, he's still like, 0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:01.040 my dad's the fucking best and like it just you know, 0:59:01.080 --> 0:59:03.280 it just shows you like this kind of conditioning from 0:59:03.280 --> 0:59:07.280 an abusive parent can really be hard to unravel from. 0:59:07.400 --> 0:59:10.880 And anyway, care he starts putting the gun down a 0:59:10.880 --> 0:59:13.320 little bit, Caresy tackles into the ground, gets the gun, 0:59:13.360 --> 0:59:14.560 and Sam's yelling. 0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:16.160 I should have just shot the rabbit. I should have 0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:19.320 just shot the rabbit. And he's crying. So we're not 0:59:19.400 --> 0:59:20.400 letting go of this rabbit. 0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:24.320 It's a real metaphor, and live is now filling in stone. 0:59:24.960 --> 0:59:26.400 Two kids died in the shooting. 0:59:26.480 --> 0:59:29.200 They were dead on arrival, Heather Lewis, age sixteen, and 0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:34.360 Justin Cruz, age seventeen. Five victims total, four were students, 0:59:34.760 --> 0:59:38.480 one is in critical condition, and one was a teacher. 0:59:39.280 --> 0:59:44.520 So they did say six victims earlier. It is six victims. 0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:45.200 Oh no, it's not. 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:47.680 It's five. It's five victims, but they said six earlier. 0:59:47.720 --> 0:59:51.440 Anyway, he only fired thirteen shots, but that gun holds 0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:53.600 a ton of rounds, which is kind of wild, and 0:59:53.640 --> 0:59:55.880 they're like yeah. Also, the saving grease was that he's 0:59:55.880 --> 0:59:59.439 also a bad shot, like, you know, he doesn't shoot well. 0:59:59.600 --> 1:00:03.360 So and he also had a handgun that he never fired, 1:00:03.760 --> 1:00:06.120 and the mom swears that both guns were locked in 1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:08.680 a gun safe, So I guess he figured out the combo. 1:00:09.560 --> 1:00:12.640 He wasn't aiming at anyone specific. And Stone's like yeah, 1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:16.000 because he wasn't trying to Like, this wasn't like kids 1:00:16.040 --> 1:00:18.200 bullied me and I'm getting back at them. 1:00:18.320 --> 1:00:20.000 This is like my dad. 1:00:20.080 --> 1:00:21.560 I want to show my dad that I can like 1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:26.240 shoot things, and uh so it's about the dad. So 1:00:26.320 --> 1:00:28.840 then John Conway shows up with his lawyer and has 1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:30.480 the nerve to scream at Stone. 1:00:30.600 --> 1:00:32.640 He's like, where's my boy? And the lawyer is. 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:35.360 Trying to say that nothing that the kids said without 1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:39.480 counsel is admissible, but they're like, dog, he already confessed 1:00:39.520 --> 1:00:41.680 and he has. There are dozens of eyewitnesses like, you 1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:44.680 need to actually sit down. You won a very improbable 1:00:44.720 --> 1:00:47.000 case and you should just take it and leave it. 1:00:47.440 --> 1:00:50.120 At that moment, they obviously marched Sam right past his 1:00:50.240 --> 1:00:53.720 dad and he's profusely apologizing like sorry, I'm sorry, and 1:00:53.760 --> 1:00:57.000 his dad just fucking backhands him and yells, what did 1:00:57.040 --> 1:01:00.000 you do? And then he blames the cops for putting 1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:02.959 sick ideas in his son's head, and that the sick 1:01:03.000 --> 1:01:05.840 ideas that aren't true is what made him shoot up 1:01:05.840 --> 1:01:10.800 a school. So they escort the dad out. They're like, 1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:12.280 get him out of it, Liz like, get this man 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:15.520 out of my precinct. So we cut to Stone definitely 1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:17.919 handling the stress in a healthy way. He is back 1:01:17.960 --> 1:01:20.520 at a bar watching the school shooting coverage on TV 1:01:21.240 --> 1:01:24.560 and live tracks him down through his assistant. The updates 1:01:24.680 --> 1:01:28.400 are that Sam has pleaded not guilty, which means Stone 1:01:28.480 --> 1:01:30.240 is like, I might have to take this kid to trial, 1:01:30.800 --> 1:01:34.120 and they're like, and now he's at a juvenile. 1:01:33.400 --> 1:01:37.640 Not guilty though, like reason of insand like we know 1:01:37.720 --> 1:01:40.040 you did it, like it is leading, not guilty, it 1:01:40.120 --> 1:01:40.680 is wild. 1:01:40.840 --> 1:01:42.680 I don't know. Yeah, maybe he was trying to do 1:01:43.200 --> 1:01:45.200 a mental disease or defect. I don't know. 1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:50.040 But he's at a juvenile facility now under suicide watch, 1:01:51.040 --> 1:01:53.640 and Stone is punishing himself. He's like, I shouldn't have 1:01:53.640 --> 1:01:55.800 cross examined him at the trial. I should have seen 1:01:55.800 --> 1:01:58.920 how damaged he was and lives like, yeah, his dad 1:01:59.000 --> 1:02:01.000 raped him, that's why he's damage. And he's like yeah, 1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:02.720 and then I did it all over again on the 1:02:02.760 --> 1:02:05.520 witness stand, Like I didn't even think his cross examination 1:02:05.720 --> 1:02:06.560 was like that wild. 1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:09.400 I've seen them be way worse to people, but to victims. 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:11.240 But Stone's blaming himself. 1:02:11.520 --> 1:02:14.200 So now Caresie and Rolins are chatting at the juvenile 1:02:14.200 --> 1:02:17.880 facility and she's explaining to Kreesee how stressful it is 1:02:17.920 --> 1:02:21.040 having kids, like you just worry about them constantly. 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:22.480 It's like breathing underwater. 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:27.160 And she's getting really emotional imagining like this happening to 1:02:27.240 --> 1:02:28.840 one of her kids. And I can't tell if she's 1:02:28.880 --> 1:02:30.640 imagining them getting shot at school or them being a 1:02:30.640 --> 1:02:33.040 school shooter. But she's getting very emotional and like starting 1:02:33.080 --> 1:02:36.240 to cry, and the States psych for Sam Conway comes in. 1:02:36.640 --> 1:02:40.360 It's doctor Lisa Abernathy. This is her first episode, but 1:02:40.720 --> 1:02:44.440 she's also Lisa Abernathy returns in the episode Exile and 1:02:44.480 --> 1:02:49.960 the episode Caretaker. And this actress Sandrine Holt was in 1:02:50.000 --> 1:02:54.440 episode seven, was in season seventeen in the episode Fashionable Crimes. 1:02:54.520 --> 1:02:56.920 I know her from Mister Robot. She's only in two episodes, 1:02:56.920 --> 1:03:00.720 but she's very memorable and she's in tons of stuff. 1:03:00.720 --> 1:03:03.600 She was in Maguyvers series and all kinds of other crap. 1:03:04.080 --> 1:03:07.120 So they ask, where's doctor Olivett, which, if you know 1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:09.840 your Law and Order, doctor Olivett is like an og 1:03:10.080 --> 1:03:15.560 Law and Order character. She's a child psychologist in episodes 1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:19.479 of regular original Recipe back in like the Jerry Orbach days, 1:03:19.520 --> 1:03:21.720 and she's done some crossover into SPU as well. 1:03:22.080 --> 1:03:23.400 And doctor Olivett blessed her. 1:03:23.360 --> 1:03:25.160 Heart is at a wedding in Tuscany and that's why 1:03:25.200 --> 1:03:28.040 doctor Aberhathy is there Tuscany. 1:03:28.160 --> 1:03:28.480 Cool. 1:03:28.960 --> 1:03:33.040 Yeah, So now she goes, let's talk about Sam, and 1:03:33.080 --> 1:03:36.320 then we see her session with Sam and he asks like, 1:03:36.400 --> 1:03:38.080 do you have kids? Because if you have kids. I 1:03:38.120 --> 1:03:40.640 know you already hate me. And she's like, I don't 1:03:40.680 --> 1:03:42.360 hate you. And she says, but my wife and I 1:03:42.400 --> 1:03:45.800 have a boy and a girl, and he's like I 1:03:45.840 --> 1:03:48.240 think he picks up, like he's like, oh, well, you. 1:03:48.200 --> 1:03:48.960 Know you're gay. 1:03:49.040 --> 1:03:51.000 My dad told everyone that I'm gay, but I'm not. 1:03:51.280 --> 1:03:53.960 And then he's like, my dad is a good dad. 1:03:54.040 --> 1:03:56.400 He looks out for us. And then she's like, tell 1:03:56.400 --> 1:03:58.960 me a memory about your dad. And the first memory 1:03:58.960 --> 1:04:03.000 he goes to being four years old and putting his 1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:06.480 one of his little toy soldiers they're sword into an 1:04:06.480 --> 1:04:09.800 electrical outlet and his dad whipping him with a belt 1:04:10.040 --> 1:04:13.040 for doing that, and he's like, it hurt and I 1:04:13.120 --> 1:04:15.760 was crying, but you know what, I never forgot and 1:04:15.800 --> 1:04:16.840 I never did it again. 1:04:18.080 --> 1:04:18.920 And it's wild. 1:04:20.000 --> 1:04:24.160 But now we're in a large group walk and talk 1:04:24.200 --> 1:04:27.480 outside and we're moving fast and furious. It's Abernathy Stone 1:04:27.600 --> 1:04:29.960 live Finn and they're walking four across Sex in the 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:33.360 city style and they are on the move. Okay, they 1:04:33.360 --> 1:04:36.360 have no time, and she goes, I don't think Sam 1:04:36.440 --> 1:04:38.000 is insane, and I don't think he was insane at 1:04:38.000 --> 1:04:39.960 the time of the shooting. He knew it was wrong, 1:04:40.080 --> 1:04:42.720 he knew the consequences. He feels remorse. He grew up 1:04:42.760 --> 1:04:45.920 in a traditional male household, but to the extreme like 1:04:46.000 --> 1:04:48.600 and Stone is like, oh, like you gotta kill animals, 1:04:48.600 --> 1:04:51.040 you don't cry, You got to tough it out. She's 1:04:51.080 --> 1:04:53.760 like yeah, basically. And then they're like, will you testify, 1:04:53.800 --> 1:04:55.600 and she goes, I will, but I really hope I 1:04:55.600 --> 1:04:57.440 don't have to, because this boy is on the verge 1:04:57.480 --> 1:05:00.640 of collapse. So now we're back at Stone office and 1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:05.000 the Conways are waiting there and they let Stone know, listen, 1:05:05.320 --> 1:05:08.640 Sam's decided to plead guilty. They think going through the 1:05:08.680 --> 1:05:11.400 trial would be wrong for the families, and then he 1:05:11.600 --> 1:05:14.400 says like, we take responsibility for Sam's actions and we 1:05:14.440 --> 1:05:16.200 don't really want to put anyone through any more pain. 1:05:16.720 --> 1:05:19.360 And they're like, really, this is Sam's decision. They're like, yep, 1:05:19.680 --> 1:05:21.640 we've all decided as a family and this is the thing. 1:05:22.120 --> 1:05:24.000 And they're like, how long will he be in prison? 1:05:24.120 --> 1:05:26.720 The mom asks and Stone goes, well, he'll likely be 1:05:26.760 --> 1:05:28.840 tried as an adult and the time will be substantial. 1:05:29.440 --> 1:05:31.840 And they're like all right, well, thanks, nice doing business 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:32.120 with you. 1:05:32.200 --> 1:05:34.440 And then John Conway goes to shake Stone's hand, and 1:05:34.520 --> 1:05:37.520 Stone stone walls him. He's like, absolutely not, am I 1:05:37.600 --> 1:05:40.760 touching your psychotic rapist hand for a handshake. 1:05:40.800 --> 1:05:42.880 And it's pretty satisfying to see that. 1:05:43.400 --> 1:05:46.200 Yeah, to have that man be like completely denied, like 1:05:46.560 --> 1:05:49.640 especially by another masculine man like man to man, this 1:05:49.720 --> 1:05:52.120 guy's just like fucking rejecting him and I like that. 1:05:52.640 --> 1:05:53.880 So Live is pretty pissed. 1:05:53.920 --> 1:05:55.920 She's like, so now Sam's gonna go to jail for 1:05:56.000 --> 1:05:58.520 life and the dad's just gonna walk And Stone's like, 1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:01.360 hell no, this ain't over, not by a long shot. 1:06:01.720 --> 1:06:04.520 So now Stone is at the juvenile facility talking to Sam, 1:06:04.560 --> 1:06:08.560 and Sam's like in a little yellow juvenile facility jumpsuit, 1:06:08.720 --> 1:06:12.120 and he's finality is fully different, Like yeah, he has 1:06:12.200 --> 1:06:15.520 like a new swagger about him. Yes, yes, Juvie has 1:06:15.560 --> 1:06:19.080 toughened him up real quick, and he's like, listen, he's 1:06:19.120 --> 1:06:19.880 like a cool. 1:06:20.160 --> 1:06:24.520 I don't know, like suddenly he was he became really cool. Yeah. 1:06:24.680 --> 1:06:26.919 Yeah, I know it's fucked up to say, but he's 1:06:26.960 --> 1:06:29.320 just like he knows there's no future and I don't know, 1:06:29.480 --> 1:06:31.360 they're just a new vibe to him. 1:06:31.600 --> 1:06:33.280 Yeah, because I think he's like giving it up, he's 1:06:33.280 --> 1:06:35.280 given up. He's like, my life is over. Basically, I'm 1:06:35.320 --> 1:06:37.040 just gonna like rot in jail for the rest of 1:06:37.080 --> 1:06:37.439 my life. 1:06:37.440 --> 1:06:39.880 And he's like Stone reminds him. 1:06:39.920 --> 1:06:42.200 He's like, you are going to go to prison and 1:06:42.200 --> 1:06:43.960 maybe for the rest of your life. And he's like, yep, 1:06:43.960 --> 1:06:45.800 it's my decision and not my dad's, and I want 1:06:45.800 --> 1:06:48.200 you to leave. And as soon as Stone walks away, 1:06:48.920 --> 1:06:51.560 Sam just launches into a story about one of his victims. 1:06:51.600 --> 1:06:54.240 Like Stone walks away, and he goes Heather Lewis. I 1:06:54.280 --> 1:06:56.320 went to a party at her house and she played 1:06:56.400 --> 1:06:59.280 Rihanna all night. I'm like, oh, so she was really cool, 1:06:59.400 --> 1:07:00.920 Like that's cool, that's fun that she was. 1:07:00.840 --> 1:07:02.680 Playing Rihann all night. We love Rihanna. 1:07:02.800 --> 1:07:05.560 And then he goes Justin Cruz. I didn't really know him, 1:07:05.560 --> 1:07:07.760 but apparently he was a math genius and he had 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:10.400 a little sister. She was only five. So he's acting 1:07:10.440 --> 1:07:13.080 more hard, but he is like you could tell he's 1:07:13.120 --> 1:07:15.560 like fucked up that he like realizes he took two 1:07:15.600 --> 1:07:18.680 people's lives, you know, and he's obviously very sad. 1:07:18.880 --> 1:07:21.240 He knows he has to plead guilty, Like he doesn't 1:07:21.240 --> 1:07:22.440 even knows what he did was wrong. 1:07:23.080 --> 1:07:27.400 Yeah, and I think a little bit of the shit, 1:07:27.520 --> 1:07:29.640 like there's a little bit of like chips. 1:07:29.280 --> 1:07:30.320 And the armor happening. 1:07:30.440 --> 1:07:32.720 Like he's like, yeah, my mom went to the funerals 1:07:32.760 --> 1:07:34.320 and no one even looked at her, Like I don't 1:07:34.320 --> 1:07:36.640 think he likes that his mom is being outcast because 1:07:36.680 --> 1:07:39.080 of something he did, which is because of something the 1:07:39.160 --> 1:07:43.800 dad did, you know. And Stone apologizes and suddenly Sam's 1:07:43.920 --> 1:07:46.040 all agro and he goes, don't you know only pussy's 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:49.160 apologize and he tells Stone, you know, I didn't even 1:07:49.200 --> 1:07:51.160 want to go to school that day, and his dad 1:07:51.160 --> 1:07:55.440 pushed him. No excuses, no regrets. Men look to the future, 1:07:55.520 --> 1:07:58.080 not the past, he said. His dad said to him, 1:07:58.160 --> 1:08:00.800 I don't even know why I bothered. I guess I 1:08:00.880 --> 1:08:02.760 was a waste of his time because it didn't work, 1:08:03.280 --> 1:08:05.040 Like it was a waste of his time to rape 1:08:05.040 --> 1:08:09.360 his son because he still didn't turn into a man. 1:08:09.480 --> 1:08:13.120 He didn't then kill a bunny like yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:08:13.200 --> 1:08:15.160 I just don't even get what you want from this 1:08:15.520 --> 1:08:18.519 kid to I know, shall what be the worst person ever? 1:08:18.960 --> 1:08:19.760 Yeah? 1:08:19.840 --> 1:08:22.479 And Stone goes, oh, so right after your dad was 1:08:22.520 --> 1:08:25.760 a complete fucking asshole to you the morning after the 1:08:25.800 --> 1:08:27.200 trial and you had to go to school. 1:08:27.840 --> 1:08:29.360 Uh, and force you to go to school? 1:08:29.680 --> 1:08:31.360 Stone is like, is that when you put the rifle 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:33.439 in your bat baseball bag? And the guy the kid's like, 1:08:33.479 --> 1:08:35.200 I gotta go, Like they only give us a little 1:08:35.200 --> 1:08:37.559 bit of time outside and he walks away, and so 1:08:37.640 --> 1:08:39.720 Stone calls live immediately and is like, I want to 1:08:39.760 --> 1:08:42.000 go after the dad. I want to go after John Conway. 1:08:42.479 --> 1:08:45.240 So we cut to the mom. We cut to the 1:08:45.240 --> 1:08:48.160 mom downing a pill with a gloss of white wine. Okay, 1:08:48.200 --> 1:08:53.040 so she's she's in it, okay, And she visits Sam, 1:08:53.080 --> 1:08:55.479 she says every day for one hour, and she seems 1:08:55.479 --> 1:08:58.800 like unraveled and fully unhinged. And John's just she goes. 1:08:59.120 --> 1:09:01.439 They're like, what about you, husb, Because Sam just like. 1:09:01.439 --> 1:09:07.000 I obviously he's just like a regressive psychopathmaniac. But it's like, 1:09:07.080 --> 1:09:09.720 what did the dad want with these sons? Just to 1:09:09.760 --> 1:09:12.920 be hyper masculine dickheads, just like to hit women, kill 1:09:12.960 --> 1:09:15.600 animals and never apologize and be good as for I 1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:18.240 don't get that then you'd be happy or would you 1:09:18.320 --> 1:09:22.519 just keep picking and picking like it's it's insane, right? 1:09:22.880 --> 1:09:25.720 I mean, yeah, no, a dad like this would never be. 1:09:25.640 --> 1:09:28.479 Happy you could get varsity if you're not like making 1:09:28.680 --> 1:09:31.720 major League Baseball, you're not. And then even then if 1:09:31.760 --> 1:09:32.880 you're not in the Hall of Fame, you know what 1:09:32.920 --> 1:09:34.639 I mean, Like, this guy would keep raising the bar 1:09:35.040 --> 1:09:40.280 like but the mom says, oh, John's just kind of 1:09:40.320 --> 1:09:42.680 ignoring it, you know, stiff upper lip and all that, 1:09:42.800 --> 1:09:45.760 like that's how he was raised, and Live tells her, well, 1:09:45.800 --> 1:09:48.360 we think he should be prosecuted for creating an environment 1:09:48.400 --> 1:09:50.760 where Sam believed that shooting is what makes you a man. 1:09:51.160 --> 1:09:52.679 And the mom is like screaming. 1:09:52.720 --> 1:09:55.920 She's like, oh does that help Sam? These dead teenagers 1:09:56.200 --> 1:09:58.360 and lives, Like what about your other son, your other 1:09:58.400 --> 1:10:00.080 son who lives in your home in is seventeen, And 1:10:00.800 --> 1:10:03.639 she's freaking out and is like, this, all this happened 1:10:03.640 --> 1:10:06.439 because I went against my husband. That's probably what he 1:10:06.479 --> 1:10:09.800 told her, and like just the mere fact of going 1:10:09.880 --> 1:10:13.320 against your husband's word brought all this devastation upon your family. 1:10:13.760 --> 1:10:15.559 And she's like and I'm like, personally, I think this 1:10:15.640 --> 1:10:17.839 man would kill her, Like I think the minute she testify, 1:10:17.960 --> 1:10:19.560 this man would kill her. Figure out a way to 1:10:19.600 --> 1:10:21.599 kill her, figure out a way to cover it up, 1:10:21.720 --> 1:10:23.640 or make it look like an accident or a suicide 1:10:23.720 --> 1:10:25.559 or something like that, like this man would kill her. 1:10:26.320 --> 1:10:28.760 She regrets not keeping him home from school that day, 1:10:29.360 --> 1:10:31.160 and she's like, all my husband wants wife. 1:10:31.200 --> 1:10:33.840 It's like, yeah, you would definitely kill this woman. But 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:37.479 also all you do is preach all this masculinity shit, 1:10:37.640 --> 1:10:39.960 like why wouldn't your kid think that they're school shooting 1:10:40.040 --> 1:10:41.720 was the way to do it? Yeah, it is all 1:10:41.760 --> 1:10:43.439 the things that you talked about, you know. 1:10:44.000 --> 1:10:47.400 Right right, yeah, just like to I mean, and this 1:10:47.479 --> 1:10:49.960 kid like loves animals, so maybe he's just like, yeah, 1:10:50.000 --> 1:10:51.760 my dad wants me to take lives and he's not 1:10:51.840 --> 1:10:55.519 even like, you know, make equating a difference to it. 1:10:55.640 --> 1:10:58.559 But all her husband wants, she says, is for their 1:10:58.600 --> 1:10:59.720 boys to become men. 1:11:00.080 --> 1:11:02.080 That's all he wants. That's all he wants. Is that 1:11:02.200 --> 1:11:04.080 so much? Is that too much to ask? He just 1:11:04.120 --> 1:11:09.200 wants them to be men? Oh? Gross? Anyway, as I 1:11:09.240 --> 1:11:10.760 bought my son three. 1:11:10.640 --> 1:11:13.240 Dresses for his birthday this year, I would say I'm 1:11:13.240 --> 1:11:14.879 not relating to this style of parenting. 1:11:15.080 --> 1:11:15.160 Now. 1:11:15.400 --> 1:11:17.160 Now, Rollins have been our talking to the brother Brian, 1:11:17.200 --> 1:11:19.080 who's still claiming that the dad rules, and you know, 1:11:19.360 --> 1:11:21.760 they never get to the bottom of whether anything like 1:11:21.840 --> 1:11:25.400 this happened to Brian, Like I'm sure Brian was also assaulted, 1:11:25.560 --> 1:11:28.280 but they never really get to it in the episode. 1:11:28.560 --> 1:11:32.360 Unless Brian is just more hyper masculine by nature and 1:11:32.479 --> 1:11:34.240 like you know, was always down with the stuff his 1:11:34.320 --> 1:11:35.880 dad told him to do, so we never had to be. 1:11:36.040 --> 1:11:37.040 Quote unquote punished. 1:11:37.120 --> 1:11:40.960 But he claims in this conversation we were always treated 1:11:41.000 --> 1:11:42.720 the same growing up. And he's like, and I never 1:11:42.720 --> 1:11:45.080 shot anyone, And he's like, I should have known that 1:11:45.120 --> 1:11:46.639 Sam was going to do something like that. 1:11:47.120 --> 1:11:48.120 And he's really upset. 1:11:48.320 --> 1:11:51.680 He's and he's blaming himself, like everyone's blaming himself in 1:11:51.760 --> 1:11:54.000 the don't accept the person who's responsible. 1:11:54.600 --> 1:11:56.559 And he's upset the sun and. 1:11:56.520 --> 1:11:58.600 Like Rollins has her hand on his shoulder and he 1:11:58.680 --> 1:12:01.160 just shoves her hand off, and like, I wonder if 1:12:01.200 --> 1:12:04.040 that was like improvised or whatever, because Rollins looks truly shocked. 1:12:04.040 --> 1:12:06.640 She's like, men love my hands on their shoulder. She's like, 1:12:07.000 --> 1:12:09.400 why are you taking my hand off your shoulder? But 1:12:09.680 --> 1:12:12.839 he's like, my friends are dead, my mom's a mess, 1:12:13.080 --> 1:12:15.600 my brother's in jail forever. And he's like, this is 1:12:15.600 --> 1:12:17.839 all your guy's fault and you should blame yourself. 1:12:17.920 --> 1:12:19.400 So maybe he doesn't blame himself. 1:12:19.439 --> 1:12:22.080 He really thinks it's the cops, but lives breaking it 1:12:22.120 --> 1:12:25.960 down now for Stone, Molly Conway isn't talking, she'll lie 1:12:25.960 --> 1:12:28.360 if you subpoena her, and lives like, I kind of 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:30.160 don't blame her. She's like at the end of her rope. 1:12:30.200 --> 1:12:32.880 And Brian's like lost his brother. He's not gonna lose 1:12:32.920 --> 1:12:33.519 his dad too. 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:35.479 Anyway. That just leaves Sam. 1:12:35.600 --> 1:12:38.519 So Sam's the only one that could possibly aid in 1:12:38.560 --> 1:12:42.639 this trial going anywhere. So now they go and they 1:12:42.720 --> 1:12:46.040 find John Conway and obviously he's at the shooting range 1:12:46.040 --> 1:12:48.040 where he probably has like a raging boner in his 1:12:48.080 --> 1:12:50.240 pants while he's target shooting, and. 1:12:50.160 --> 1:12:51.280 They bring him in for murder. 1:12:51.760 --> 1:12:56.040 So now Stone is talking to Conway and his lawyer again, 1:12:56.160 --> 1:12:58.800 and who goes, are you guys kidding me? My yoga's what? 1:12:58.920 --> 1:13:01.559 My wife's yoga pants don't stretch this much? And you 1:13:01.560 --> 1:13:03.240 know you got it? That feels like an old school 1:13:03.280 --> 1:13:04.840 style joke for the show. And I got a hand 1:13:04.880 --> 1:13:08.080 it to them, And Stone explains the situation using a 1:13:08.120 --> 1:13:11.280 metaphor about pit bulls. He goes, you know pitbulls actually 1:13:11.280 --> 1:13:13.320 make very good pets. It's their owners who turn them 1:13:13.320 --> 1:13:16.000 into killers. He's like, you fail to perceive a substantial 1:13:16.000 --> 1:13:18.599 and justifiable risk that he would harm others, and then 1:13:18.680 --> 1:13:21.400 that led to a crime, and those things together are 1:13:21.439 --> 1:13:23.840 criminally negligent homicide. 1:13:24.040 --> 1:13:26.599 And so he goes, are you saying I didn't bring 1:13:26.640 --> 1:13:29.000 my boy up right? It's like, are you kid? Like 1:13:29.080 --> 1:13:30.519 that's where you're going at. 1:13:31.280 --> 1:13:35.040 Nobody not like I don't think that there's a ton 1:13:35.080 --> 1:13:37.200 of parents of school shooters who are like, we did 1:13:37.280 --> 1:13:39.800 everything correctly. There's no parents in the world that say 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:42.439 we did everything correctly. But this man is like, I'm 1:13:42.479 --> 1:13:45.439 perfect and I did nothing wrong. And his lawyer calls 1:13:45.439 --> 1:13:47.880 it a snowflake defense. Daddy made me do it, and 1:13:47.920 --> 1:13:51.519 they just walk out. Rollins and Live are chatting about 1:13:51.560 --> 1:13:56.000 the case in the breakroom. Rollins thinks that under Stone's 1:13:56.040 --> 1:13:59.639 logic that they the cops are responsible for what Sam 1:13:59.680 --> 1:14:02.120 did is well, we also knew that he could commit 1:14:02.160 --> 1:14:05.280 something like this. We saw that he was upset and damaged, 1:14:05.320 --> 1:14:07.479 like then the onus would be on us as well, 1:14:07.520 --> 1:14:09.920 and Lives like, yeah, but we didn't put guns in 1:14:09.960 --> 1:14:12.439 his apartment and Rollin's like, but this kid would have 1:14:12.439 --> 1:14:16.120 found another weapon. She's really trying the guns don't kill people, 1:14:16.120 --> 1:14:19.439 people kill people argument with Olivia, and then Lives like, 1:14:19.479 --> 1:14:22.040 don't go all Second Amendment on me, and then she goes, 1:14:22.400 --> 1:14:25.200 I just want to know why Roe versus Wade as sacrisanct. 1:14:25.280 --> 1:14:27.040 This is Rolin's I just want to know why Roe 1:14:27.080 --> 1:14:30.400 versus Wade is sacriscanct and the Second Amendment is disposable. 1:14:30.439 --> 1:14:33.439 It's like she's being so Georgia right now, and Live 1:14:33.520 --> 1:14:38.160 goes because one kills one kills and Rolind goes, well 1:14:38.200 --> 1:14:40.560 in Georgia, they both do. So now it's like this, 1:14:41.160 --> 1:14:45.760 this gun control situation is now turning into a abortion 1:14:46.479 --> 1:14:50.120 like situation, and Rollins wants to know what do you 1:14:50.160 --> 1:14:52.800 think is worse having your kid killed or having your 1:14:52.880 --> 1:14:55.920 kid be the one who kills someone, and Live can't 1:14:55.960 --> 1:14:58.920 believe that Rollins might be thinking of having a gasp 1:14:59.040 --> 1:15:01.439 abortion like. Rollins iss like, I don't know if I 1:15:01.520 --> 1:15:03.759 need another baby. I don't know if I want another baby. 1:15:03.920 --> 1:15:05.479 She said, if I was back home, this would be 1:15:05.520 --> 1:15:07.920 easier because I wouldn't have a choice. Could I would 1:15:07.960 --> 1:15:10.360 just have to have this baby. And then Live takes 1:15:10.439 --> 1:15:13.800 Rollin's her, takes her phone and shows her a video 1:15:13.840 --> 1:15:16.360 of Jesse, and I really hate it when Live goes 1:15:16.400 --> 1:15:20.200 so pro life like Rollins is a cop who works constantly. 1:15:20.400 --> 1:15:23.880 The dad is like a sociopathic cheater who lies to 1:15:23.920 --> 1:15:26.960 her face. I think she's an excellent candidate for an abortion. 1:15:27.040 --> 1:15:28.760 To be honest, like she already has like a young 1:15:28.840 --> 1:15:31.400 child at home. It's not like she's never going to 1:15:31.439 --> 1:15:34.559 have her chance to be a mom and Lives like, listen, 1:15:34.840 --> 1:15:37.160 I will defact she anyway. She shows her this video 1:15:37.200 --> 1:15:39.240 and goes, you told me that was the best day 1:15:39.240 --> 1:15:41.960 of your life, and it's like, okay, yeah, there's a 1:15:41.960 --> 1:15:43.760 lot of cute videos of your kids. First of all, 1:15:43.800 --> 1:15:46.080 having a second kid is very is much harder than 1:15:46.120 --> 1:15:48.559 having one. And then like you know, we all know, 1:15:48.640 --> 1:15:50.920 Rollins goes on to have three. How it's happening as 1:15:50.960 --> 1:15:53.760 a fully working cop, I'll never know. And she's a 1:15:53.800 --> 1:15:56.439 professor now too, well, now she's a professor. Yeah, and 1:15:56.520 --> 1:15:59.320 hopefully she's getting child support from both of these dads. 1:15:59.320 --> 1:16:02.960 To be honest, so Lives like, I will defend your 1:16:03.000 --> 1:16:05.479 debt to the death, your right to make this decision. 1:16:05.640 --> 1:16:09.160 But also She's like, you basically will regret this abortion 1:16:09.200 --> 1:16:10.479 and you'll have to live with it forever and that 1:16:10.520 --> 1:16:14.559 will be terrible. Like so lives like, so you had one, 1:16:14.640 --> 1:16:17.879 you had an abortion, And Live's face gets really serious 1:16:17.920 --> 1:16:19.400 and she walks away, And I don't know if we 1:16:19.520 --> 1:16:21.679 ever find the truth out about this, if she's had one. 1:16:22.400 --> 1:16:23.519 No, But. 1:16:25.000 --> 1:16:27.519 It's like Live is okay with a kid getting an abortion, 1:16:27.680 --> 1:16:31.160 like an underage person who's been assaulted, but like a 1:16:31.200 --> 1:16:31.920 grown woman. 1:16:32.280 --> 1:16:34.200 There's like that thirteen year old that was gonna have 1:16:34.240 --> 1:16:35.800 a kid, and she's like, you'll figure it out. 1:16:36.000 --> 1:16:37.320 Yeah, you'll have fun. 1:16:38.080 --> 1:16:41.639 She is like pro life, like, sorry, it's the truth. 1:16:41.720 --> 1:16:42.720 No, she'll fight for the right. 1:16:42.800 --> 1:16:46.360 She's pro choice, but she's anti abortion. She doesn't like 1:16:46.400 --> 1:16:48.400 she would never choose it for herself or her loved ones. 1:16:48.960 --> 1:16:50.760 I would say maybe she did. We don't know. She 1:16:50.880 --> 1:16:54.160 just you know, she just well she alluded that she yeah, shit, Or. 1:16:54.120 --> 1:16:55.920 Did they want to make it like a great what 1:16:55.920 --> 1:16:57.320 do you think the right? You know, like do they 1:16:57.360 --> 1:16:59.760 not want to know us? Or she just doesn't want 1:16:59.760 --> 1:17:03.000 to say no, because then sounds. 1:17:02.680 --> 1:17:04.920 Like a question we have to ask Mauritia Cahrgate one 1:17:04.960 --> 1:17:06.880 day because that is really interesting. 1:17:06.920 --> 1:17:09.920 Oh my god, that would be crazy. First question, so, 1:17:10.080 --> 1:17:11.280 has lived had an abortion? 1:17:11.880 --> 1:17:14.600 Well, because I mean, like we know she we know 1:17:14.640 --> 1:17:16.840 that the actress in real life too, is religious but 1:17:16.880 --> 1:17:18.080 also pro choice, you know. 1:17:18.280 --> 1:17:20.400 So yeah, anyway. 1:17:20.680 --> 1:17:24.519 And she's captain here now, right, Yeah, because that's another 1:17:24.680 --> 1:17:27.040 thing because I was also thinking, like with her getting 1:17:27.040 --> 1:17:29.600 winded and stuff, like maybe in the last step. You know, 1:17:29.640 --> 1:17:32.680 it's the two parter, but it is this thing of like, 1:17:33.040 --> 1:17:36.920 I don't know, Craigan wasn't on the scene of every crime. Yeah, 1:17:37.040 --> 1:17:39.920 if you're in charge of the whole department, like Craigan 1:17:40.040 --> 1:17:41.479 was in the office, like you've. 1:17:41.680 --> 1:17:45.519 He's actually not captain yet she becomes she's lieutenant, and 1:17:45.560 --> 1:17:48.920 she becomes the captain in twenty one, season twenty one, damn, 1:17:49.040 --> 1:17:51.920 and this is season twenty so she's lieutenant even when 1:17:51.920 --> 1:17:53.960 she season twenty one, even when she's captain, she's on 1:17:54.000 --> 1:17:55.719 the scene because she's the star of the fucking show. 1:17:55.960 --> 1:17:58.200 But Craigan does show up to a lot of crime scenes, 1:17:58.280 --> 1:17:59.880 just not every single one. 1:18:00.160 --> 1:18:02.120 You're right, you are right, But he's also not doing 1:18:02.120 --> 1:18:05.000 the running and the stuff, like it is kind we do. 1:18:05.080 --> 1:18:08.800 Not see Cragan running after a perp. We do not 1:18:08.960 --> 1:18:09.320 see that. 1:18:09.479 --> 1:18:11.240 It's like, give yourself some grace, girl. 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:16.679 So back in court, the dad is on the stand 1:18:16.800 --> 1:18:18.680 and he's talking about how he treats his boys the 1:18:18.720 --> 1:18:20.719 exact same and he just wanted them to be tough 1:18:21.000 --> 1:18:23.280 so the world wouldn't chew them up and spit them out. 1:18:23.479 --> 1:18:25.639 And he tries to paint himself as the best dad ever. 1:18:25.880 --> 1:18:27.880 You know, some guys they get home from work and 1:18:27.880 --> 1:18:30.160 they're just too tired, But not me. I take my 1:18:30.280 --> 1:18:32.120 kids to the park and I play ball with them, 1:18:32.439 --> 1:18:35.320 I take them hunting and fishing, and can someone explain 1:18:35.360 --> 1:18:37.120 to me what is so wrong about wanting your boys 1:18:37.200 --> 1:18:40.360 to grow up to be men. And now it's Stone's turn, 1:18:40.520 --> 1:18:43.639 and he's like he's got bad dad, like bragging about 1:18:43.640 --> 1:18:46.920 his kids making varsity and saying men shouldn't be afraid 1:18:46.920 --> 1:18:47.839 to shoot rabbits. 1:18:48.160 --> 1:18:51.360 But then he starts some shit with Stone on the stand. 1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:53.160 You know, they shouldn't be scared, but it's like what 1:18:53.200 --> 1:18:57.160 if they don't want to? Yeah, like that's never crossed 1:18:57.160 --> 1:18:58.800 his mind where it's like we should be and it's 1:18:58.800 --> 1:19:00.559 like okay, but then the other people should be able 1:19:00.560 --> 1:19:01.920 to do what they want and your son didn't want 1:19:01.920 --> 1:19:02.559 to fucking hunt. 1:19:02.880 --> 1:19:04.880 Yeah, and of the fucking day you piece right. 1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:07.400 Shit. I just hate that he is not even questioning 1:19:07.520 --> 1:19:08.840 himself once. 1:19:09.200 --> 1:19:12.519 Ray Ray right, it is. Yeah, honestly, he infuriated me 1:19:12.520 --> 1:19:12.880 this much. 1:19:12.880 --> 1:19:18.280 And in his Annihilation episode too, he really pisses me off. Yeah, yeah, 1:19:18.280 --> 1:19:20.519 I get actor because I fucking hate his guts. 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:22.439 Yes, yeah, he sucks. 1:19:23.439 --> 1:19:26.839 And what's crazy is in Niptuck he's like the likable 1:19:26.840 --> 1:19:29.040 one for most of it and his partner is like 1:19:29.120 --> 1:19:32.080 the asshole and their partners at like a they do 1:19:32.120 --> 1:19:35.680 plastic surgery. But uh, he's kind of the likable, like 1:19:35.760 --> 1:19:37.400 good guy with like a wife and a family, and 1:19:37.439 --> 1:19:39.160 then of course, like his life gets sucked up as 1:19:39.240 --> 1:19:42.360 the show goes on. But he's not a sociopath the 1:19:42.400 --> 1:19:44.160 way he is in all these other shows we see 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:46.160 him in, or at least in this one, both. 1:19:45.960 --> 1:19:46.559 Of his roles. 1:19:47.080 --> 1:19:49.040 He so this dad starts to try to like start 1:19:49.080 --> 1:19:52.080 some shit with Stone, and Stone serves it like right 1:19:52.080 --> 1:19:54.320 back to him and is like, you would say, I 1:19:54.400 --> 1:19:56.880 have balls, right, and not having balls is the worst 1:19:56.920 --> 1:19:58.559 thing a man can have, So I'd be like a 1:19:58.560 --> 1:20:00.400 girl because being a woman is the world worst thing 1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:02.880 a man can be like, and like, are you proud 1:20:02.920 --> 1:20:05.120 of how your son has like the lifelong shame of 1:20:05.160 --> 1:20:07.599 never being able to live up to your his dad's 1:20:07.680 --> 1:20:10.679 perverse sense of manhood, because there's nothing worse than being 1:20:10.680 --> 1:20:13.519 a little girl. And you know we just the dad's 1:20:13.600 --> 1:20:16.240 kind of like just stunned on the stand. But afterwards, 1:20:16.240 --> 1:20:19.040 Stone's telling Live it didn't go great in court today, 1:20:19.080 --> 1:20:21.040 I'm gonna have to call Sam as a rebuttal witness. 1:20:21.320 --> 1:20:23.360 So even after he's like why did I cross examine 1:20:23.400 --> 1:20:25.000 this kid, He's like, get him back on the stand. 1:20:25.040 --> 1:20:26.040 I need to get this dad. 1:20:26.880 --> 1:20:30.320 So you know, all that drinking is really making him 1:20:30.360 --> 1:20:33.200 forget a lot of his guilt. So now top of 1:20:33.200 --> 1:20:36.160 the final act, Sam is on the stand and now 1:20:36.200 --> 1:20:39.160 his head is shaved, so shit's gotten crazy at Juvie. 1:20:39.520 --> 1:20:41.720 So then he gets Sam to testify to like what 1:20:41.720 --> 1:20:43.840 would happen if your dad was ever unhappy with you? 1:20:43.920 --> 1:20:44.559 Like what would he do? 1:20:44.600 --> 1:20:46.360 And he's like, he'd call me a baby, a pussy 1:20:46.479 --> 1:20:50.200 and f the F word slur And after he wouldn't 1:20:50.200 --> 1:20:52.840 shoot the rabbit, he told him that until further notice, 1:20:52.880 --> 1:20:54.679 he was a little girl and that he was gonna 1:20:54.680 --> 1:20:57.320 call him Samantha, and he threw one of his wife's 1:20:57.439 --> 1:21:00.280 dresses at Sam and told him to wear it. And 1:21:00.280 --> 1:21:02.880 then he goes, what were you thinking about before you 1:21:03.439 --> 1:21:04.560 shot your schoolmates? 1:21:04.640 --> 1:21:05.479 Like, what were you thinking? 1:21:05.520 --> 1:21:08.000 And he goes, I was thinking, be a man, and 1:21:08.080 --> 1:21:10.080 he goes a voice was saying that over and over 1:21:10.120 --> 1:21:10.559 in his head. 1:21:10.600 --> 1:21:11.519 Be a man, Be a man. 1:21:11.840 --> 1:21:13.519 And then he gets up and he screams at his 1:21:13.600 --> 1:21:16.400 dad and goes, and I didn't flinch. How's that, dad, 1:21:16.439 --> 1:21:19.719 I didn't flinch. Am I a man now? And it's like, wow, fuck, 1:21:20.120 --> 1:21:23.960 Finally this kid is at least standing up for himself, 1:21:24.000 --> 1:21:26.960 you know, and advocating for how fucking psycho his dad 1:21:27.120 --> 1:21:30.760 was closing arguments, the defense is up first, going my 1:21:30.840 --> 1:21:32.719 client and put the gun in his hand, he didn't 1:21:32.720 --> 1:21:33.479 pull the trigger. 1:21:33.880 --> 1:21:34.919 And if we all start. 1:21:34.680 --> 1:21:37.160 Taking responsibility for the act of our kids, we better 1:21:37.200 --> 1:21:38.960 all start losing weight because it's going to be a 1:21:39.000 --> 1:21:42.840 tight squeeze in Attica. And now it's Stone's turn, and 1:21:42.920 --> 1:21:47.000 he's pointing out that John wasn't preaching strength to his kids. 1:21:47.000 --> 1:21:49.760 He was preaching power over others, which isn't being a man, 1:21:49.800 --> 1:21:50.759 it's being a criminal. 1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:54.160 And the jury they agree. 1:21:54.320 --> 1:21:57.960 They find him guilty of criminally negligent homicide. The lawyer 1:21:58.000 --> 1:22:00.839 looks pissed, but it's like, you did win very obvious 1:22:00.880 --> 1:22:05.080 case of incest rape. But Brian and Molly are stunned, 1:22:05.360 --> 1:22:09.720 the wife and the older brother, and now that's kind 1:22:09.760 --> 1:22:11.559 of the end of that story. The final beat of 1:22:11.560 --> 1:22:14.719 the episode is We're at Olivia's apartment and she's talking 1:22:14.760 --> 1:22:17.800 to that little shit Noah and it's time for bed 1:22:18.160 --> 1:22:20.040 and he doesn't want to go to bed, and he 1:22:20.320 --> 1:22:26.960 shoves Olivia backwards and she is gagged. She is like, Noah, 1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:29.840 never do that again. Get in your bed right now. 1:22:30.080 --> 1:22:32.240 She's like so shocked, she's lost her breath, like she's 1:22:32.280 --> 1:22:34.920 out of breath about like him shoving her. And he 1:22:34.960 --> 1:22:39.559 looks like he's like eight here, seven or eight. And 1:22:40.680 --> 1:22:42.280 I'm sorry to call him a little shit. You know, 1:22:42.320 --> 1:22:44.439 I obviously love baby Noah. I just don't love this 1:22:44.720 --> 1:22:48.640 iteration of Noah. And she tells him we're going to 1:22:48.720 --> 1:22:51.240 talk about this in the morning. And then even though 1:22:51.240 --> 1:22:53.880 they're in a fight, she kisses him good night and 1:22:53.920 --> 1:22:56.000 says I love you to him anyway, and then he 1:22:56.040 --> 1:22:58.080 doesn't say it back, and so she goes Noah, I 1:22:58.240 --> 1:23:02.080 love you and he says nothing, And that's dick Wolf baby. 1:23:03.840 --> 1:23:08.280 Crazy episode. It is weird end, Yeah, weird end. 1:23:08.680 --> 1:23:11.400 I think they're trying to sow the seeds for shit 1:23:11.520 --> 1:23:15.200 of like, is violence inherent in you, if you're if 1:23:15.240 --> 1:23:18.120 you come from violent people, and like because Johnny d 1:23:18.320 --> 1:23:18.639 is his. 1:23:18.680 --> 1:23:21.400 Dad and you know, like all that kind of stuff. 1:23:21.479 --> 1:23:26.200 But who knows. Also, no one needs some no one 1:23:26.200 --> 1:23:29.840 needs some discipline. He's acting like an asshole. Maybe he's 1:23:29.880 --> 1:23:31.680 pissed she didn't come to her his game where he 1:23:31.880 --> 1:23:32.679 almost hit. 1:23:32.520 --> 1:23:34.960 A home run. Sad episode. 1:23:36.000 --> 1:23:38.120 Yeah, And I'm sure the true crimes are going to 1:23:38.200 --> 1:23:39.840 be really fun and happy, go lucky. 1:23:39.880 --> 1:23:49.800 So I'm glad you're here. All right, Well, I'll flow 1:23:49.880 --> 1:23:50.200 right in. 1:23:50.520 --> 1:23:53.400 So I feel like we all know about the Michigan 1:23:53.520 --> 1:23:56.880 case that is like famous, but that's you know, years 1:23:56.880 --> 1:23:58.360 after this episode. 1:23:58.240 --> 1:24:00.679 Which I couldn't believe. I looked it up. I couldn't 1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:01.120 believe it. 1:24:01.840 --> 1:24:04.160 Yeah, a lot of and a lot of the like 1:24:04.320 --> 1:24:06.640 court stuff happens like years and years after a lot 1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:09.080 of these shootings as well. So that case, it was 1:24:09.120 --> 1:24:11.760 Ethan Crumbly and he was fifteen at the time and 1:24:11.800 --> 1:24:15.800 it was Oxford High School November twenty twenty one. Four 1:24:15.840 --> 1:24:18.639 people were dead and seven injured, and he pled guilty 1:24:18.680 --> 1:24:21.639 to twenty four charges and was sentenced to life without 1:24:21.680 --> 1:24:24.799 the possibility of parole. And then his parents, James and Jennifer, 1:24:24.840 --> 1:24:28.759 were convicted of involuntary manslaughter and were the first parents 1:24:28.760 --> 1:24:31.479 in the country to be directly found responsible for the 1:24:31.520 --> 1:24:33.879 deaths caused by a child in a mass shooting. 1:24:35.720 --> 1:24:36.800 But I believe in that. 1:24:37.200 --> 1:24:39.719 I'm like, yeah, I hope that was like a case 1:24:39.800 --> 1:24:43.800 that can continue, like has influence. Well, hopefully school shooting stop, 1:24:43.880 --> 1:24:47.440 but I hope parents are held responsible. 1:24:48.080 --> 1:24:50.120 I feel very confident saying that because I know I'm 1:24:50.120 --> 1:24:51.400 not gonna have a gun in my house. You know, 1:24:51.520 --> 1:24:53.800 Like I feel very confident being like, yes, punish me 1:24:54.160 --> 1:24:57.120 if my kid gets a gun that I helped them 1:24:57.160 --> 1:25:00.639 get and they commit a school shooting that I facilitate anyway, 1:25:01.040 --> 1:25:03.519 I'm responsible. But I know that will never happen because 1:25:03.560 --> 1:25:07.599 I'm not a gun person. You know, like you're you 1:25:07.760 --> 1:25:09.840 if you are pissed about that, then it's like you 1:25:09.920 --> 1:25:11.600 know that there's a possibility your kids can get their 1:25:11.640 --> 1:25:12.560 hands on your guns. 1:25:12.920 --> 1:25:17.080 Yeah, and in twenty eighteen, so you know the Washington Post, 1:25:17.160 --> 1:25:18.840 we don't really go it was, but you could go 1:25:18.920 --> 1:25:21.719 on this article, so I do wonder, are free exciting 1:25:21.760 --> 1:25:25.679 when what's going on? But in it they write, since 1:25:25.760 --> 1:25:28.400 nineteen eighty nine, children have committed one hundred and forty 1:25:28.400 --> 1:25:31.839 five school shootings, and in one hundred and five cases, 1:25:31.880 --> 1:25:34.840 the weapons source was identified and eighty percent of those 1:25:34.880 --> 1:25:40.320 were taken from home or relatives or friends. Yeah so yeah, 1:25:40.360 --> 1:25:43.160 but then you know, since but that was in twenty eighteen, 1:25:43.160 --> 1:25:45.320 and only four adults have been convicted for failing to 1:25:45.320 --> 1:25:46.519 lock up guns used. 1:25:46.960 --> 1:25:50.120 Like according to the whatever study that they were using. 1:25:50.600 --> 1:25:52.960 So it's weird, like in this case, they don't even 1:25:53.000 --> 1:25:54.519 go after that fact. They don't even go. 1:25:54.479 --> 1:25:57.800 After the fact that they had access, they gave him 1:25:57.840 --> 1:25:59.559 access to the guns. They're really going after the fact 1:25:59.600 --> 1:26:03.320 that he created a toxic environment in the episode, you. 1:26:03.280 --> 1:26:07.120 Know, pushed him to the brink and write, Yeah, so 1:26:07.120 --> 1:26:09.960 I'm going to go over a few that could have 1:26:10.080 --> 1:26:13.000 inspired this, even though the cases, some of them happened 1:26:13.040 --> 1:26:16.200 after the episode. But anyways, so this is a Santa 1:26:16.200 --> 1:26:19.840 Fe High school shooting, but it's Santa Fe, Texas. A 1:26:19.960 --> 1:26:23.200 seventeen year old killed eight students and two teachers in 1:26:23.240 --> 1:26:28.920 twenty eighteen and left thirteen wounded. His name was Demetrius 1:26:29.000 --> 1:26:34.000 pet Pagortsis, and he confessed to the rampage and the Parkland, 1:26:34.000 --> 1:26:36.599 Florida shooting happened in the same month as this shooting, 1:26:37.280 --> 1:26:39.080 So it just fucked. 1:26:39.200 --> 1:26:42.080 That is so crazy because it's like the Santa fe 1:26:42.160 --> 1:26:43.880 one doesn't even like ring a bell to me, and 1:26:43.880 --> 1:26:45.720 it's probably because because I was like. 1:26:45.760 --> 1:26:48.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:26:48.160 --> 1:26:50.799 The jury found the parents not financially liable or guilty 1:26:50.800 --> 1:26:54.080 for their child's crime in twenty twenty four, so that's 1:26:54.120 --> 1:26:57.800 when the trial finally concluded. The verdict was reached after 1:26:57.920 --> 1:27:01.160 day of deliberations after a three week trial. But this 1:27:01.240 --> 1:27:03.480 is one of the first attempted to hold parents accountable 1:27:03.479 --> 1:27:05.519 in civil court for the actions of their childs in 1:27:05.520 --> 1:27:06.320 a school shooting. 1:27:06.840 --> 1:27:09.200 They felt, oh, it wasn't even criminal court, it was 1:27:09.280 --> 1:27:09.840 civil court. 1:27:09.920 --> 1:27:11.479 Huh. They just wow. 1:27:12.040 --> 1:27:13.680 They felt it was the fault of the child and 1:27:13.720 --> 1:27:17.040 with the company. That's so the jury thought it was 1:27:17.040 --> 1:27:18.760 the fault of the child and then the company that 1:27:18.920 --> 1:27:22.880 sold him ammunition in the shooting. So they did find 1:27:23.040 --> 1:27:26.840 this ammunition company guilty, but the jury did award hundreds 1:27:26.840 --> 1:27:29.160 and millions of dollars in damages to the plaintiffs. 1:27:30.160 --> 1:27:30.799 Lucky Gunner. 1:27:30.840 --> 1:27:33.439 The ammunition company sold him the ammunition at a time 1:27:33.439 --> 1:27:36.280 when he was legally barred from purchasing it, and they 1:27:36.360 --> 1:27:39.880 settled with the plaintiffs before the trial even began. So 1:27:39.920 --> 1:27:42.200 since this company settled, they don't have to pay a 1:27:42.240 --> 1:27:45.000 portion of the damages awarded by this jury. But the 1:27:45.000 --> 1:27:47.640 gunmen also can't pay, like they're poor. Yeah, so it 1:27:47.680 --> 1:27:50.120 really doesn't matter. I'm really confused about these juries that 1:27:50.200 --> 1:27:52.720 are like, well, this much, and it's like okay, well 1:27:52.720 --> 1:27:58.320 now what right? Right? But this trial went down several 1:27:58.360 --> 1:28:01.920 months after the Michigan couple was found guilty of that 1:28:02.000 --> 1:28:05.559 I just talked about with involuntary manslaughter. But in that 1:28:05.720 --> 1:28:08.559 case in Michigan and twenty twenty one, prosecutors were able 1:28:08.600 --> 1:28:11.320 to prove that the parents ignored warning signs and failed 1:28:11.320 --> 1:28:13.280 to lock up a handgun that was used by their. 1:28:13.160 --> 1:28:13.920 Son in the attack. 1:28:14.760 --> 1:28:20.000 So Antonius Pegwortsis and Rosemarie Cosmettos were not accused of 1:28:20.040 --> 1:28:22.280 the crime, but the trial focused on whether they had 1:28:22.320 --> 1:28:24.479 been negligent in the storage of more than a dozen 1:28:24.479 --> 1:28:27.160 firearms in their home. Two of which were used in 1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:29.519 the shooting, and had failed to notice their son was 1:28:29.560 --> 1:28:33.719 struggling or to take steps to help him. The gunman, Dimitri, 1:28:33.840 --> 1:28:36.679 was deemed mentally incompetent to stand trial in criminal court 1:28:36.680 --> 1:28:39.479 and remains in a state hospital for mental health treatment. 1:28:40.200 --> 1:28:42.479 Because there was no criminal trial, the people looked to 1:28:42.520 --> 1:28:45.280 this civil trial as their first chance for accountability. Like 1:28:45.320 --> 1:28:49.120 six years after the shooting, the parents refused any responsibility, 1:28:49.200 --> 1:28:51.559 even though Clint Maguire, the lead attorney for the plaintiffs, 1:28:51.560 --> 1:28:54.240 said in a closing argument that it was their son 1:28:54.360 --> 1:28:55.920 under their roof with their guns. 1:28:56.960 --> 1:28:57.559 New York Times. 1:28:57.680 --> 1:29:00.000 Yeah, I feel like you go in this kind of case, 1:29:00.320 --> 1:29:02.400 like they go after civil even though that people don't 1:29:02.400 --> 1:29:04.760 have any money, just as like a deterrent maybe for 1:29:04.960 --> 1:29:08.920 other parents, Like right, be like like if you do 1:29:09.040 --> 1:29:11.920 have money and you're letting your kids get access to 1:29:11.920 --> 1:29:13.680 your guns and they do something with them, like you 1:29:13.720 --> 1:29:15.880 could lose five million dollars. 1:29:15.880 --> 1:29:17.559 Even those people don't have five million dollars. You know. 1:29:17.840 --> 1:29:19.960 It's more it seems like a count like you know, 1:29:20.120 --> 1:29:24.240 just the victims want something, you know. It's how Benson 1:29:24.280 --> 1:29:28.320 always says, like just standing up in court, right, but 1:29:28.360 --> 1:29:30.640 they do garnish wages. So that's the other thing, and 1:29:30.880 --> 1:29:33.600 I probably touched on this later, but one of the 1:29:33.640 --> 1:29:37.439 other cases was talking about how even if they don't 1:29:37.439 --> 1:29:40.840 have the money to pay this, they can't make money 1:29:40.920 --> 1:29:41.360 off of it. 1:29:41.439 --> 1:29:44.040 So if they decide to sell their story or. 1:29:44.040 --> 1:29:46.840 A book or anything like, the money will go to 1:29:47.280 --> 1:29:50.240 the victims, or if they somehow win the lottery or 1:29:50.240 --> 1:29:53.840 something like that. So to have the money could be taken, 1:29:54.160 --> 1:29:58.120 I guess yeah. But they both testify the parents they 1:29:58.120 --> 1:30:00.120 did not see changes in his mental state or they 1:30:00.120 --> 1:30:03.760 would have helped him. Expert witnesses for the defense testified 1:30:03.760 --> 1:30:06.880 though that he was dealing with schizophrenia, manics, oppression, and 1:30:06.960 --> 1:30:10.920 other mental illnesses. That he was having delusions and hallucinations, 1:30:10.960 --> 1:30:13.840 which accluded that the CIA wanted him to be an assassin. 1:30:14.439 --> 1:30:17.920 Yet they said that he kept his delusions a secret 1:30:17.960 --> 1:30:20.479 and they had no idea. But you know, the parents 1:30:20.680 --> 1:30:22.479 did not pull the trigger or give him the gun. 1:30:22.520 --> 1:30:24.800 But it was yeah, so it was not found to 1:30:24.840 --> 1:30:29.320 be on them. I'm glad the ammunition company, I guess settled. 1:30:29.680 --> 1:30:31.519 Maybe it would have been better not to settle and 1:30:32.320 --> 1:30:35.360 try him try them, because I bet that. 1:30:35.280 --> 1:30:40.759 Company could have afforded all that money. I don't know, Okay. 1:30:40.840 --> 1:30:43.919 So the next one is the Marysville Pilchuk High School shooting. 1:30:44.760 --> 1:30:47.920 It's a town north of Seattle in Washington State. The 1:30:47.920 --> 1:30:51.479 shooter's name is Jalen Freiberg. He was fifteen. He took 1:30:51.479 --> 1:30:54.120 his father's handgun to school in his backpack and opened 1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:56.760 fire on a group of classmates that he texted to 1:30:56.840 --> 1:30:57.320 meet him. 1:30:57.960 --> 1:31:00.200 Oh my god. So he shot the. 1:31:00.080 --> 1:31:03.360 Five classmates, four fatally, and then turned the gun on himself. 1:31:03.840 --> 1:31:07.599 Two of the victims were his cousins, Nate Hatch and 1:31:07.600 --> 1:31:10.559 Andrew Freiberg. And you know, he was not a loner. 1:31:10.640 --> 1:31:13.320 He was a popular football player. He was elected homecoming 1:31:13.360 --> 1:31:16.759 prince his freshman year. And it was not random people, 1:31:16.840 --> 1:31:20.080 It was not enemies. He texted and killed his friends 1:31:20.080 --> 1:31:20.639 and family. 1:31:21.320 --> 1:31:22.280 Do they know why? 1:31:23.360 --> 1:31:26.040 A former teacher, Rick Iverson is quoted in The New 1:31:26.120 --> 1:31:28.639 York Times saying this was an outgoing person that everyone 1:31:28.640 --> 1:31:32.360 in the school loved. He was from a prominent family 1:31:33.240 --> 1:31:37.200 on the Tululip Indian Reservation and had a good relationship 1:31:37.240 --> 1:31:40.160 with his parents and brother, according to another tribal member, 1:31:40.840 --> 1:31:42.840 But a few days before the shooting, his friend Josh 1:31:42.920 --> 1:31:45.280 said that his demeanor did change and he wasn't doing 1:31:45.320 --> 1:31:47.600 work and just had his headphones in and refused to 1:31:47.640 --> 1:31:50.599 talk about it. And then when Josh asked him what's wrong, 1:31:50.640 --> 1:31:54.439 he responded, it doesn't concern you. And that was to 1:31:54.520 --> 1:31:58.959 the Times. A federal jury in Seattle convicted Raymond Freiberg 1:31:59.040 --> 1:32:02.479 of illegally owning six firearms, including the Barretta that his 1:32:02.520 --> 1:32:05.320 fourteen year old son used to kill the classmates and himself. 1:32:05.760 --> 1:32:08.799 The jury deliberated for one day before reaching its verdict. 1:32:09.160 --> 1:32:11.439 Freiberg was not charged in the shooting, but he was 1:32:11.479 --> 1:32:14.759 sentenced to two years in prison for the illegal owning 1:32:14.880 --> 1:32:17.479 so Illegally owning the guns got him prison time, but 1:32:17.600 --> 1:32:20.160 not letting his fourteen year old child get to them, 1:32:20.800 --> 1:32:24.400 yeah fuck because also the data had a prior restraining 1:32:24.479 --> 1:32:27.000 order against him and so should have been prohibited from 1:32:27.240 --> 1:32:30.160 buying the gun, but the order was never entered into 1:32:30.200 --> 1:32:33.200 the federal database, and so he should not have been 1:32:33.200 --> 1:32:36.519 buying these guns. So when he filled out the forms 1:32:36.520 --> 1:32:39.320 for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, he 1:32:39.400 --> 1:32:41.840 stated he had not been the subject of any court 1:32:41.920 --> 1:32:45.840 order restraining him from harassed like the harassing, stocking, and 1:32:45.880 --> 1:32:49.120 threatening of an intimate partner. So he didn't fill it 1:32:49.160 --> 1:32:53.720 out correctly. So like, so he knew it, he knew 1:32:53.720 --> 1:32:55.920 he had these restraining orders, and so like he filled 1:32:55.920 --> 1:32:58.160 out the paperwork wrong. But I feel like the stores 1:32:58.160 --> 1:33:00.240 should have been able to catch that, Like what the fuck? 1:33:01.840 --> 1:33:04.800 But the dad got the gun January twenty thirteen, and 1:33:04.880 --> 1:33:08.439 then the gun was used Oxtober twenty fourth, twenty fourteen 1:33:09.320 --> 1:33:12.160 in the shooting. The case was investigated by the FBI 1:33:12.280 --> 1:33:15.479 and the Tululab Tribal Police Department. It was prosecuted by 1:33:15.560 --> 1:33:17.520 assistant Uist Attorneys. 1:33:18.439 --> 1:33:19.519 So that's that case. 1:33:19.920 --> 1:33:23.000 I wonder what happened to that kid, Like I wonder 1:33:23.040 --> 1:33:25.360 what made him like a flip switch. I mean, he 1:33:25.439 --> 1:33:27.639 might have been having like a mental health event or something, 1:33:27.720 --> 1:33:33.080 but I wonder if it was something like, yeah, he 1:33:33.200 --> 1:33:35.000 was assaulted or he was a victim in some kind 1:33:35.040 --> 1:33:36.120 of way like in the episode. 1:33:36.160 --> 1:33:37.800 Because that's to. 1:33:37.720 --> 1:33:39.679 Go from like a happy, go lucky kid that everybody 1:33:39.720 --> 1:33:41.839 in the school thinks is great to killing your friends 1:33:42.400 --> 1:33:44.160 in like a premeditated attack. 1:33:44.880 --> 1:33:46.120 It's pretty wild. 1:33:46.439 --> 1:33:54.439 Yeah yeah, okay, Well onto the next. So Marshall County 1:33:54.520 --> 1:33:58.000 High School shooting. This happened in Kentucky, January twenty eighteen. 1:33:58.640 --> 1:34:01.200 Gabe Parker, fifteen, open fired in an open area of 1:34:01.240 --> 1:34:03.640 the school. It was like a large hallway by the cafeteria. 1:34:04.439 --> 1:34:06.639 Because that's something I read about too, where a lot 1:34:06.680 --> 1:34:10.120 of these drills and protections in safety rely on the 1:34:10.200 --> 1:34:13.959 kids being inside the classroom, and so like if it's 1:34:14.120 --> 1:34:16.720 you know, free periods or launch or whatever, that's not 1:34:16.760 --> 1:34:21.360 really a way to keep people safe. So two people 1:34:21.360 --> 1:34:24.759 were killed and multiple students were injured. He killed Ryan 1:34:24.840 --> 1:34:27.200 Cope and Bailey Holt, who were both fifteen years old, 1:34:27.240 --> 1:34:31.280 and he used his stepfather's pistol. A civil lawsuit was filed. 1:34:31.280 --> 1:34:35.479 In twenty nineteen, thirty six point seven million dollars was 1:34:35.520 --> 1:34:37.920 awarded to the four victims of the Marshall County High 1:34:37.920 --> 1:34:42.360 School shooting. Sheila high Stand, the legal rep for the victims, 1:34:42.360 --> 1:34:44.280 doesn't think any of them will ever see the money 1:34:44.280 --> 1:34:47.240 since the family does not have the cash. But like 1:34:47.280 --> 1:34:49.840 I said, it's to stop the family from ever making 1:34:49.880 --> 1:34:52.000 money off of it, or if any if they do 1:34:52.280 --> 1:34:55.360 get any money, that the plaintiffs and must be compensated. 1:34:56.000 --> 1:34:59.200 The judgment was against the shooter, Gabe Parker, his mother, 1:34:59.360 --> 1:35:03.360 Mary Migner, and his stepfather, Justin Minyard. They also brought 1:35:03.360 --> 1:35:06.839 the lawsuit against the school district and the superintendent, Trent Lovett, 1:35:06.840 --> 1:35:12.800 who was subsequently granted qualified immunity, which seems kind of wild. 1:35:13.640 --> 1:35:14.400 He was okay. 1:35:14.439 --> 1:35:16.479 So the shooter was sentenced to life in prison after 1:35:16.520 --> 1:35:20.400 being charged in as an adult, and he was given 1:35:20.439 --> 1:35:23.800 two life sentences plus seventy years, but also eligible for 1:35:23.880 --> 1:35:26.880 parole in twenty which doesn't make sense to me. I 1:35:26.920 --> 1:35:29.000 think if you have more than one life sentence, you 1:35:29.000 --> 1:35:33.639 shouldn't be able to get Yeah. The last one is Parkland, Florida. 1:35:33.640 --> 1:35:37.760 It's the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting. And you know, 1:35:37.800 --> 1:35:41.360 I would say it's probably like a most well known 1:35:41.360 --> 1:35:44.800 you know what I Meanfortunately, it's like Columbine, Sandy Hook. 1:35:44.880 --> 1:35:47.760 Parkland. 1:35:48.479 --> 1:35:52.960 Nicholas Cruz murdered seventeen people on Valentine's Day and wounded 1:35:52.960 --> 1:35:57.040 and traumatized nearly three dozen others. It was twenty eighteen, 1:35:57.560 --> 1:36:02.880 and he opened fire and just fucking murdered people. And 1:36:02.880 --> 1:36:04.920 then in February twenty twenty, parents of one of the 1:36:04.920 --> 1:36:08.839 student victims filed a lawsuit against the US government. Andrew 1:36:08.880 --> 1:36:11.519 Pollack lost his daughter, Meadow Pollock in the mass shooting. 1:36:12.120 --> 1:36:14.400 He said that the FBI was tipped off and that 1:36:14.479 --> 1:36:17.360 the Sheriff's department knew about the red flags running the 1:36:17.360 --> 1:36:20.959 gunman but did not follow up. They had transcript excerpts 1:36:21.040 --> 1:36:24.320 from the FBI tip line. A woman close to the 1:36:24.320 --> 1:36:27.400 shooter called and said that on Instagram he posted photos 1:36:27.400 --> 1:36:29.679 with his weapons and wrote how he wanted to kill somebody. 1:36:30.400 --> 1:36:32.360 Then there was there was also a second tip that 1:36:32.439 --> 1:36:35.160 was five months before the shooting, So five months before 1:36:35.200 --> 1:36:38.160 the shooting. In September twenty seventeen, a bail bondsman in 1:36:38.160 --> 1:36:42.280 Mississippi reported that someone commenting on the internet with a 1:36:42.360 --> 1:36:45.920 username Nicholas Cruz left a disturbing message on his YouTube 1:36:45.960 --> 1:36:49.080 channel and that said I'm going to be a professional 1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:51.559 school shooter. And that was to the time, So that 1:36:51.640 --> 1:36:53.920 was five months before. So you have citizens that are 1:36:53.960 --> 1:36:57.839 fucking doing their due diligence months and like two FBI 1:36:57.920 --> 1:37:00.439 guys came to talk to him and they they thought 1:37:00.479 --> 1:37:04.160 nothing important of it and closed the inquiry. And the 1:37:04.200 --> 1:37:06.479 woman knew him personally and was like, I think this 1:37:06.560 --> 1:37:09.600 person's going to kill people, and they just didn't do 1:37:09.720 --> 1:37:13.240 anything about it. The families of the Parkland shooting victims 1:37:13.240 --> 1:37:15.679 were awarded one hundred and twenty seven point five million 1:37:15.720 --> 1:37:19.280 dollars by the Justice Department, but says the settlement does 1:37:19.360 --> 1:37:22.240 not amount to an admission or fault by the US government, 1:37:22.680 --> 1:37:25.320 so they're not taking any accountability or fault or anything 1:37:25.400 --> 1:37:30.160 like that. But they did settle with this money. Sixteen 1:37:30.240 --> 1:37:32.559 out of the seventeen families were a part of the case. 1:37:33.439 --> 1:37:38.280 The settlement also resolves forty cases connected to the shooting. Basically, 1:37:38.479 --> 1:37:41.280 Jennifer and Fred Gutenberg's fourteen year old daughter, Jamie was 1:37:41.360 --> 1:37:45.040 murdered in the shooting and they're like, if the FBI 1:37:45.120 --> 1:37:47.360 did their job, that their daughter would be alive. So 1:37:47.439 --> 1:37:50.200 they brought this suit on and then thirty nine families 1:37:50.280 --> 1:37:53.720 joined them and argue that the shooting was completely preventable. 1:37:54.680 --> 1:37:58.639 So yeah, close to one hundred and thirty million dollars 1:37:58.840 --> 1:38:01.000 will be given out to forty six survivors and families 1:38:01.040 --> 1:38:04.439 of this twenty eighteen massacre, and the school district also 1:38:04.479 --> 1:38:07.240 paid out twenty five million dollars to the shooting victims 1:38:07.240 --> 1:38:09.920 as well in a settlement in twenty twenty one. The 1:38:09.960 --> 1:38:12.839 school district's payout will be split between families of fourteen 1:38:12.880 --> 1:38:16.680 students and three faculty and sixteen of the seventeen who 1:38:16.720 --> 1:38:19.960 are injured and nineteen people who had severe trauma resulting 1:38:20.000 --> 1:38:20.639 from the shooting. 1:38:20.760 --> 1:38:22.880 And David Hog, who went to that school, is now 1:38:22.920 --> 1:38:26.799 like a huge gun control advocate and he is running 1:38:26.800 --> 1:38:30.880 for office. I'm getting a lot of fundraising notes from 1:38:30.960 --> 1:38:31.479 David Hogg. 1:38:33.840 --> 1:38:37.360 Yeah, these kids are all growing up or he's he's 1:38:37.400 --> 1:38:38.679 the vice chair of the DNC. 1:38:41.400 --> 1:38:44.599 Whoa and he's twenty five. Yeah. 1:38:45.320 --> 1:38:47.720 And then Kruz pled guilty October twenty and twenty to 1:38:47.800 --> 1:38:51.920 seventeen counts a first degree murder, and then November twenty 1:38:52.000 --> 1:38:54.479 twenty two he was sentenced to life in prison without 1:38:54.520 --> 1:38:56.120 the possibility of parole. 1:38:58.920 --> 1:38:59.320 Damn. 1:39:00.080 --> 1:39:01.920 So yeah, I guess, you know, we can't really know 1:39:02.040 --> 1:39:07.679 exactly what inspired this, but I just kind of focused 1:39:07.680 --> 1:39:11.160 on the cases where they were trying to find other 1:39:11.200 --> 1:39:17.000 people responsible, who were you know, and what what happens there. 1:39:17.080 --> 1:39:20.280 But I think that Michigan case was huge, and even 1:39:20.520 --> 1:39:23.599 and that other dad for having illegal guns. But like, 1:39:23.640 --> 1:39:25.240 these parents need to be held accountable. 1:39:26.080 --> 1:39:32.160 Yeah yeah, And also the Feds are fucking checking up 1:39:32.160 --> 1:39:36.160 on tips too, Like ough a lot of these guys 1:39:36.200 --> 1:39:37.960 are on the internet saying the shit they're gonna do. 1:39:38.320 --> 1:39:41.080 But at the same time, a lot of people are 1:39:41.080 --> 1:39:43.360 on the internet talking ship that they're never going to do. 1:39:43.439 --> 1:39:45.240 And it's hard to check out every fucking lead. I 1:39:45.280 --> 1:39:47.880 get that, you know, I don't know what the answer. 1:39:47.640 --> 1:39:52.840 Is, but but that's their Like that's the whole point, Like, 1:39:53.120 --> 1:39:56.280 I know, yeah, you guys are you know. 1:39:58.800 --> 1:40:03.240 Okay, but this is obviously sad subject matter. But our 1:40:03.280 --> 1:40:07.439 guest coming up is fantastic, So don't go anywhere really exciting. 1:40:07.560 --> 1:40:10.200 Your palette is about to be very cleansed. 1:40:10.360 --> 1:40:23.640 Okay, Okay, our guest today, we're so excited. He is 1:40:23.680 --> 1:40:26.080 an actor that you might know from shows like Fringe 1:40:26.200 --> 1:40:28.720 or strike Back, but you know him best as the 1:40:28.800 --> 1:40:35.280 tortured threesome having eighty A Peterstone. Please enjoy our delightful 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:37.120 conversation with Philip Winchester. 1:40:37.880 --> 1:40:40.200 Oh my gosh, you. 1:40:42.000 --> 1:40:44.800 We do get extra excited when it's a cast member. 1:40:44.880 --> 1:40:47.760 There's so much to talk about. It's like, so this 1:40:47.800 --> 1:40:50.240 happens to all the characters that when they come to SVU, 1:40:50.320 --> 1:40:53.320 they're shocked by the you know, the horrific nature of 1:40:53.360 --> 1:40:55.479 the crimes and that's kind of a trope. How is 1:40:55.520 --> 1:40:59.720 it as an actor going from regular like Chicago crimes 1:40:59.800 --> 1:41:04.679 to sex crimes? Yeah, well, you like, what the fuck 1:41:04.720 --> 1:41:07.320 these storylines are nuts? When you were reading the script, yeah, 1:41:07.360 --> 1:41:07.719 I think. 1:41:07.600 --> 1:41:09.840 You'd get like five or six episodes in and then 1:41:09.840 --> 1:41:12.320 you got kind of numb to it, right, like, oh, look, 1:41:12.360 --> 1:41:15.519 it's another horrific story about something that's happened to a 1:41:15.600 --> 1:41:18.320 kid or this poor woman who's been roofied, and it 1:41:18.400 --> 1:41:21.080 was just brutal. And then I'd look across at the 1:41:21.080 --> 1:41:23.120 writers and go, you guys are can I swear on this? 1:41:23.200 --> 1:41:23.360 Got? 1:41:23.720 --> 1:41:23.920 Yeah? 1:41:24.240 --> 1:41:25.679 I'd be like, you guys are really fucked up. 1:41:25.640 --> 1:41:28.880 Right, yes, well the fuck up part is there. They're 1:41:28.960 --> 1:41:31.840 so they're comb in the news for this, so that's 1:41:31.960 --> 1:41:32.559 just crazy. 1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:33.759 Yeah, ripped from the headlines. 1:41:33.840 --> 1:41:34.000 Right. 1:41:34.680 --> 1:41:35.160 But when you. 1:41:35.160 --> 1:41:37.479 Got to work with a few kids in your tenure. 1:41:37.640 --> 1:41:40.240 We actually had the girl from Zero Tolerance. I don't 1:41:40.240 --> 1:41:42.480 know if you remember her. It was like the border episode. 1:41:42.800 --> 1:41:44.360 Oh yeah, she was great. 1:41:44.400 --> 1:41:45.880 She was our youngest guest ever. 1:41:46.280 --> 1:41:47.640 Yeah that's fantastic. 1:41:47.880 --> 1:41:50.280 Oh that's really cool. Yeah she was she was great. 1:41:50.760 --> 1:41:52.479 And then this one is that this one was. 1:41:54.240 --> 1:41:54.439 Down. 1:41:54.720 --> 1:41:57.800 Yeah, yeah, this is the beginning of season twenty. I mean, 1:41:57.800 --> 1:42:01.000 you come in on season nineteen and one of the bleakest. 1:42:00.560 --> 1:42:04.200 Episodes of all that's right, Yeah, maybe our Country. 1:42:03.840 --> 1:42:06.840 Is the bleakest filking episode. 1:42:07.240 --> 1:42:10.720 And then you pop in then and then we got 1:42:10.800 --> 1:42:11.240 you all. 1:42:13.479 --> 1:42:14.120 But Benson. 1:42:14.600 --> 1:42:17.519 Yeah, and it's like, we gotta we got to earn 1:42:17.520 --> 1:42:19.679 that Druss, We gotta get that relationship back on the table. 1:42:20.160 --> 1:42:22.280 It comes in with this episode, which just brutal. 1:42:22.479 --> 1:42:24.160 I feel you go back and forth with her your 1:42:24.200 --> 1:42:27.320 whole time there, like you guys, you guys fight a. 1:42:27.280 --> 1:42:29.360 Lot, We do fight a lot. 1:42:29.439 --> 1:42:33.559 I think there's some there's some political opinions in there 1:42:33.680 --> 1:42:36.240 and some political beliefs there. I mean, there were some 1:42:36.360 --> 1:42:39.040 brutal scenes. There was just some brutal stuff in the courtroom. 1:42:39.080 --> 1:42:41.720 I remember that happened and and just how how we 1:42:41.760 --> 1:42:43.960 all felt about it, and none of that was mimicking 1:42:44.040 --> 1:42:46.479 real life, but just the way things went down with 1:42:46.520 --> 1:42:49.240 some of the courtroom scenes and the cross examinations were like, man, 1:42:49.280 --> 1:42:53.040 this is you know, Stone had this. What I appreciated 1:42:53.080 --> 1:42:56.400 about playing him was his brokenness came through his desire 1:42:56.439 --> 1:42:59.320 to be right. And so you know, characters are boring 1:42:59.560 --> 1:43:02.400 if they're you know, they're good at everything, and like, ah, 1:43:02.560 --> 1:43:04.760 we're cookie cutter and they're superheroes and this and that. 1:43:04.840 --> 1:43:08.880 But Stone definitely had that. The danger in playing him 1:43:08.920 --> 1:43:10.479 was that he was kind of good at a lot 1:43:10.560 --> 1:43:13.879 of things. But then his oc dnus and his desire 1:43:13.920 --> 1:43:17.920 to win made him interesting because he would use the 1:43:18.040 --> 1:43:19.880 law to bend the rules as much as he could, 1:43:20.120 --> 1:43:22.479 and I think that that rubbed Bence in the wrong way. 1:43:22.720 --> 1:43:24.679 There was also this learning curve that had to happen 1:43:24.720 --> 1:43:26.680 with Stone where he was going from the AD eight. 1:43:26.720 --> 1:43:29.840 You know, he was Cook County Assistant District Attorney and 1:43:29.880 --> 1:43:31.439 it was a lot of murder and things like that, 1:43:31.479 --> 1:43:32.880 and then it was sex crimes. 1:43:33.160 --> 1:43:35.080 Yeah, and so towing. 1:43:34.720 --> 1:43:38.920 The line and learning that and being you know, basically 1:43:39.479 --> 1:43:41.600 asking questions that I think he knew the answer to. 1:43:41.720 --> 1:43:43.320 But he was checking in with Benson all the time 1:43:43.360 --> 1:43:45.000 and being like, I'm gonna do this, what do you 1:43:45.040 --> 1:43:45.680 feel about that? 1:43:46.920 --> 1:43:47.479 And it was good. 1:43:47.520 --> 1:43:49.840 But yeah, I loved the tension between Benson and Stone. 1:43:49.880 --> 1:43:52.040 I thought it was I thought it was it made 1:43:52.040 --> 1:43:52.559 for good TV. 1:43:52.960 --> 1:43:55.000 Well, yeah, because you were really like black and white, 1:43:55.000 --> 1:43:57.240 we have to do this and still I want to 1:43:57.280 --> 1:43:58.439 break the rules and then we. 1:43:58.400 --> 1:44:00.599 Could really do whatever I want. Yeah, I was like, 1:44:00.760 --> 1:44:02.799 it's both are we not winning? 1:44:02.880 --> 1:44:04.800 Oh? I think there's some way to get around that. 1:44:04.920 --> 1:44:08.320 Yeah, A lot of contradictions with your character because also 1:44:08.400 --> 1:44:11.840 like Stern, I would say, but then very flirty. I 1:44:11.880 --> 1:44:15.240 think you're one of the bigger kind of slutty characters. 1:44:15.320 --> 1:44:18.200 So was it this episode with. 1:44:19.960 --> 1:44:22.200 Yeah, this would be a rare one description. 1:44:22.439 --> 1:44:26.760 We were like, whoa shit, Okay, yeah. 1:44:25.720 --> 1:44:29.120 Yeah, you were really like flirty and fun, but then 1:44:29.240 --> 1:44:31.439 also yeah, very stern. 1:44:31.760 --> 1:44:35.360 A lot of Yeah, well I think you definitely, Yeah, 1:44:35.520 --> 1:44:38.439 you strike me as somebody who's really trying to impress Dad. 1:44:38.680 --> 1:44:41.040 You know, we had a couple of different characters like 1:44:41.120 --> 1:44:42.040 that on SVU. 1:44:42.720 --> 1:44:45.599 But your first episode you get to work with Sam 1:44:45.640 --> 1:44:49.320 Waterson like this so amazing. How was that You got 1:44:49.360 --> 1:44:51.720 a lot You also got to like be in the 1:44:51.760 --> 1:44:55.040 courtroom by yourself and have a moment courtroom steps you're 1:44:55.040 --> 1:44:57.000 in court with the barb was really like a very 1:44:57.040 --> 1:45:00.000 full Yeah. 1:45:00.000 --> 1:45:01.840 Alec Schappel, who was. 1:45:01.800 --> 1:45:05.800 Our main director that year, and he was our you know, 1:45:05.840 --> 1:45:08.920 he was our director writer. He worked really closely with 1:45:08.960 --> 1:45:12.240 Michael Chranucin. He just he understood the show. He understood 1:45:12.240 --> 1:45:16.800 what we were trying to do with Stone and he yeah, 1:45:16.840 --> 1:45:18.559 he was. It was such a gift, you know, I look, 1:45:18.920 --> 1:45:25.120 it's funny. As an actor, I was little. Did I 1:45:25.160 --> 1:45:27.120 know this was sort of the end of all the 1:45:27.400 --> 1:45:29.639 energy and time that I would spend on network TV. 1:45:29.960 --> 1:45:30.320 I was. 1:45:30.479 --> 1:45:33.000 I was on Cinemax for four years, and then I 1:45:33.040 --> 1:45:35.439 went to NBC for a year, and then it was 1:45:35.479 --> 1:45:37.760 another show. It was Justice for a year, and then 1:45:37.800 --> 1:45:39.240 it was So it was kind of like this. 1:45:39.200 --> 1:45:40.200 Eight year run. 1:45:41.040 --> 1:45:44.920 And I wasn't complacent about it, but you're just like, 1:45:45.000 --> 1:45:46.960 this is what I do. Now, I'm doing network TV. 1:45:47.120 --> 1:45:50.559 I'm going to do this. And so some of the 1:45:52.120 --> 1:45:54.599 not the work, but some of the episodes they blend together. 1:45:54.680 --> 1:45:56.760 You do so many of them, I mean, and the 1:45:57.960 --> 1:46:03.040 characters crossover and the the cases crossover, and so you 1:46:03.160 --> 1:46:05.519 have these moments where you go, wait, this is really 1:46:05.840 --> 1:46:09.360 important and you can and special and Sam Waterston was 1:46:09.400 --> 1:46:09.800 one of them. 1:46:09.880 --> 1:46:11.559 We get there. 1:46:12.200 --> 1:46:16.519 The first day of shooting with Sam was this crazy 1:46:16.520 --> 1:46:19.400 snowstorm and most of New York shut down, but not 1:46:19.880 --> 1:46:24.200 a Dick Wolf production, and damn it, everybody showed up 1:46:24.200 --> 1:46:26.639 to work. It was amazing and it was this howling 1:46:26.680 --> 1:46:29.640 blizzard and we were shooting in a church because it 1:46:29.680 --> 1:46:35.080 was the funeral scene, right, And we get in there 1:46:35.080 --> 1:46:37.080 and Sam and I were talking about the characters and 1:46:37.400 --> 1:46:40.760 hanging out, and he's just he's such a pro and 1:46:40.800 --> 1:46:41.719 he's such a legend. 1:46:41.760 --> 1:46:42.679 Have you guys talked to him? 1:46:42.800 --> 1:46:43.040 No? 1:46:43.960 --> 1:46:46.559 Yeah, he you know, he's one of those actors. He's 1:46:46.560 --> 1:46:51.320 one of those guys. He's he puts so much thought 1:46:51.320 --> 1:46:54.120 into it, and he's so easy. I remember I said 1:46:54.120 --> 1:46:56.639 this about acting, and I love this. Ice is a prophet, right, 1:46:56.720 --> 1:46:58.240 He's just like he'll say things and you're like, wait 1:46:58.240 --> 1:47:00.800 a second, I actually have a thing in my phone 1:47:00.840 --> 1:47:02.240 called iced tea knowledge. 1:47:02.040 --> 1:47:05.160 Yes, and ice cold facts. 1:47:05.280 --> 1:47:05.439 Yes. 1:47:06.439 --> 1:47:08.760 He would drop these pearls right, and you'd be like 1:47:08.800 --> 1:47:14.160 one second here, just like but but Sam, Sam made 1:47:14.200 --> 1:47:17.960 it look so easy. And that's because he does so 1:47:18.080 --> 1:47:20.320 much work up to it, and he's done it so 1:47:20.439 --> 1:47:22.880 often that it's just it's just butter. 1:47:22.920 --> 1:47:24.439 Right, it's so easy. 1:47:25.320 --> 1:47:27.479 But it's because he's good, and it's because he puts 1:47:27.479 --> 1:47:27.920 the work in. 1:47:28.479 --> 1:47:30.760 I guess. I mean, will you give us an ice 1:47:30.800 --> 1:47:31.479 cold fact? 1:47:31.680 --> 1:47:31.880 Yeah? 1:47:32.240 --> 1:47:33.920 Any of your ice knowledge? 1:47:33.800 --> 1:47:34.000 Yeah? 1:47:34.160 --> 1:47:36.080 Any that you like, remember that's. 1:47:36.320 --> 1:47:38.920 My favorite ice cold fact. Okay, ready, this is my 1:47:38.920 --> 1:47:39.840 favorite ice cold fact. 1:47:39.840 --> 1:47:43.479 We're in in the courtroom Run one day and ice 1:47:43.560 --> 1:47:47.320 Tea goes. He goes, hey, Philip, you want to hear 1:47:47.360 --> 1:47:49.400 something about the industry. And I was like yeah, He's like, 1:47:49.439 --> 1:47:52.000 you want to hear the this is the career of 1:47:52.040 --> 1:47:52.439 an actor? 1:47:52.479 --> 1:47:53.920 You ready? I was like yeah, let's go. 1:47:53.960 --> 1:47:57.760 But he's like, there's four stages to an actor. Who 1:47:57.840 --> 1:48:03.720 is Philip Winchester? Right, get me Philip Winchester. Get me 1:48:03.760 --> 1:48:04.919 a younger Philip Winchester. 1:48:06.280 --> 1:48:07.519 Who the fuck is Philip Winchester? 1:48:08.800 --> 1:48:13.160 That is that's the career, that's the career path, except 1:48:13.320 --> 1:48:14.120 that's icy. 1:48:15.680 --> 1:48:18.960 Less you. He's so good, right, we were walking in 1:48:18.960 --> 1:48:19.400 the hallway. 1:48:19.439 --> 1:48:21.240 What did he dropped one in the hallway one day, 1:48:21.280 --> 1:48:24.080 just along the lines of like walking along, he's like, yeah, 1:48:24.200 --> 1:48:26.040 if you don't have a job, you probably shouldn't sleep 1:48:26.080 --> 1:48:28.920 in And it was just like one of those like 1:48:28.920 --> 1:48:31.040 like you gotta put that in, put it in, put 1:48:31.080 --> 1:48:31.320 it in. 1:48:31.360 --> 1:48:38.280 Wow, that really hit me. You have a job, don't sleep. 1:48:38.040 --> 1:48:41.920 Probably should Oh, he's just he's amazing. What a guy. 1:48:42.160 --> 1:48:44.719 Yeah, were you getting recognized while living in New York? 1:48:44.840 --> 1:48:47.320 And playing Stone. Did you have any run ins? 1:48:47.800 --> 1:48:51.160 Yeah, definitely. Uh. 1:48:51.640 --> 1:48:54.280 Probably the most recognition happened in New York while I 1:48:54.320 --> 1:48:56.320 was doing SVU. Yeah, you know, I mean and and 1:48:56.360 --> 1:48:58.360 now It's funny. My wife and I joke if we're 1:48:58.400 --> 1:49:00.760 out because there's always kind of peaks and valleys and 1:49:00.800 --> 1:49:03.280 what you do will be out and someone will say 1:49:03.280 --> 1:49:06.439 something like or you'll get like the triple take, and 1:49:06.479 --> 1:49:08.200 we're like, there must be a rerun on right now. 1:49:08.280 --> 1:49:09.840 Yeah, because. 1:49:11.400 --> 1:49:14.160 USA is doing a marathon and Peterstone's on, because then 1:49:14.160 --> 1:49:16.840 you'll get the triple takes. But yeah, definitely in New 1:49:16.920 --> 1:49:19.240 York there was a lot of that, which is you know, 1:49:19.280 --> 1:49:22.479 which was which was kind of fun. Yeah, not not 1:49:22.479 --> 1:49:23.720 not the reason to do it, but it was all 1:49:23.840 --> 1:49:26.360 and airports. I was There's two types of fans that 1:49:26.400 --> 1:49:28.439 I get. I get the Strike Back fans and I 1:49:28.479 --> 1:49:31.240 get the SVU fans, And usually I can tell before 1:49:31.240 --> 1:49:34.960 they say something strike Back. Strike Back was a big 1:49:35.000 --> 1:49:41.479 action series, so it's usually like military guys or the 1:49:41.520 --> 1:49:43.360 beards and the tats come up and I'm like, this 1:49:43.400 --> 1:49:45.880 isn't going to be about not shooting the rabbit and 1:49:47.160 --> 1:49:49.840 this is this is going to be about something else. 1:49:49.840 --> 1:49:51.120 Guys always shoot the rabbit. 1:49:51.240 --> 1:49:52.320 I'm sure, yeah, yeah. 1:49:52.240 --> 1:49:55.680 Where did this shoot? So we shot it? 1:49:55.760 --> 1:49:56.839 That was South Africa. 1:49:57.640 --> 1:49:59.759 We were in joe Burg, Cape Town, and then Thailand 1:50:00.040 --> 1:50:00.680 and then boot and. 1:50:02.439 --> 1:50:02.960 It was great. 1:50:03.240 --> 1:50:04.719 Whoa, that's so cool. 1:50:06.120 --> 1:50:11.160 That was my My first meeting with Dick Wolf was 1:50:11.320 --> 1:50:13.439 I was sort of in this. I'd been doing this 1:50:13.600 --> 1:50:17.800 action stuff for so long that you know, I get 1:50:17.840 --> 1:50:19.840 I get carved up to his place in Monacito. I 1:50:19.880 --> 1:50:21.519 mean it was it was like something out of the Godfather. 1:50:21.640 --> 1:50:22.800 Was just this beautiful house. 1:50:22.960 --> 1:50:23.720 Yeah. 1:50:23.800 --> 1:50:28.639 I get ushered into his office, which is like twenty 1:50:28.640 --> 1:50:31.839 foot ceilings and leather bound scripts of all the episodes 1:50:31.840 --> 1:50:35.400 of TV that he's made, like really classy, really cool. 1:50:36.040 --> 1:50:39.360 And he's got a marble desk with a lamp, four 1:50:39.600 --> 1:50:41.080 scripts on it and a phone. 1:50:41.560 --> 1:50:42.040 That's it. 1:50:42.720 --> 1:50:44.639 And there's Dick Wolf behind the desk, and I am 1:50:44.760 --> 1:50:48.400 so nervous, probably slightly hungover, and and I was like, 1:50:48.439 --> 1:50:51.320 oh shit, like this is real, Like this what what 1:50:51.439 --> 1:50:53.679 happens in this room could make or break the rest 1:50:53.720 --> 1:50:57.720 of your career, right, And he's like, so, Bob Greenblatt 1:50:57.800 --> 1:51:01.000 over at NBC said, you know, the player over, I've 1:51:01.000 --> 1:51:02.840 got an idea for a show. He says, you're the guy, 1:51:03.240 --> 1:51:08.320 and I was like, look, I really appreciate that, but 1:51:08.439 --> 1:51:10.920 I jump out of helicopters and punch people in the face. 1:51:11.080 --> 1:51:12.880 That's that's what I've been doing for like the last 1:51:12.880 --> 1:51:15.360 six years. And he's like, yeah, I don't need you 1:51:15.400 --> 1:51:18.240 to do that, but if you could do it with 1:51:18.360 --> 1:51:19.880 your eyes, that'd be great. 1:51:20.000 --> 1:51:20.320 Ha ha ha. 1:51:21.000 --> 1:51:23.840 And I was like, any like, totally caught me off guard, right, 1:51:23.880 --> 1:51:26.320 And I was like, oh, okay, So he kind of 1:51:26.320 --> 1:51:28.000 thought that was a joke too, that's cool. And I 1:51:28.040 --> 1:51:31.160 was like, well, I mean, can I read a script? 1:51:31.240 --> 1:51:33.800 He's like, I don't have one yet, but it'll be good. 1:51:34.439 --> 1:51:37.000 And I was like, you don't push this too far further, 1:51:37.080 --> 1:51:39.080 you know, too much further now, And I go okay. 1:51:39.120 --> 1:51:42.040 He goes, I tell you what, if you don't like it, 1:51:42.080 --> 1:51:44.559 you can quit, and if you suck, I'll fire you. 1:51:45.160 --> 1:51:47.040 And I went, I don't think there's a better deal 1:51:47.080 --> 1:51:47.599 in Hollywood. 1:51:47.640 --> 1:51:54.559 Okay. Incredible. We've actually never gotten any insight on Dick Wolf. 1:51:54.640 --> 1:51:55.679 I don't think from anyone. 1:51:55.720 --> 1:51:57.479 That's yeah, we don't get a lot of Dick Wolf 1:51:57.479 --> 1:51:59.120 talk because we talked to a lot of guest stars, 1:51:59.200 --> 1:52:01.200 you know, so they didn't really have much. 1:52:02.240 --> 1:52:04.720 Everything you think he would be. He's incredible. 1:52:04.800 --> 1:52:08.200 We saw him from because we went to Iced Tea's 1:52:08.320 --> 1:52:09.479 star on the Walk of Fame. 1:52:09.720 --> 1:52:10.559 We are cool. 1:52:10.720 --> 1:52:12.719 Well, we were in the pen with the regular people 1:52:12.760 --> 1:52:14.920 and I was like, Kara, you better get us into 1:52:14.960 --> 1:52:18.040 the pressed. 1:52:16.720 --> 1:52:19.120 And got us in the press like it was a job. 1:52:19.720 --> 1:52:21.600 So we had an amazing view. We have like a 1:52:21.640 --> 1:52:24.120 photo of like baby Chanel. 1:52:23.840 --> 1:52:26.439 Like jumping into arms. We really were in the thing 1:52:26.520 --> 1:52:26.760 of it. 1:52:26.840 --> 1:52:28.599 But that was the That was I think the only 1:52:28.640 --> 1:52:30.639 time I saw Dick Wolf but a marble desk I'm 1:52:30.680 --> 1:52:31.240 obsessed with. 1:52:31.800 --> 1:52:33.400 Yeah, no, he is the real deal. 1:52:33.720 --> 1:52:36.880 Staff of scripts just like that's you know, just like 1:52:36.960 --> 1:52:39.560 this man who has given his life to television. 1:52:39.560 --> 1:52:42.000 But I bet more people were desperate than you or 1:52:42.080 --> 1:52:44.160 I wonder if people or a lot of people are 1:52:44.160 --> 1:52:44.639 like I. 1:52:44.600 --> 1:52:48.439 Don't know, yeah, I don't know. 1:52:48.680 --> 1:52:52.639 I really appreciated his sort of like, look, I'm. 1:52:53.680 --> 1:52:56.280 What do you want, like like the script will be good? 1:52:56.720 --> 1:52:58.840 And he kind of he kind of doubled down on that, 1:52:58.920 --> 1:53:02.160 not with me personally, but he walked onto set on Justice, 1:53:03.080 --> 1:53:05.439 which in hindsight's a little sad because the show didn't 1:53:05.439 --> 1:53:05.880 go that far. 1:53:05.920 --> 1:53:08.280 But I don't think it was our fault. You know. 1:53:08.360 --> 1:53:10.960 He's like he walked in right down the middle of 1:53:11.000 --> 1:53:12.840 where the gallery sits and then walked up to the 1:53:12.840 --> 1:53:15.480 prosecuting table and he's walked in. He's like, all right, everybody, 1:53:16.040 --> 1:53:20.679 the sets are built, the scripts are good, cameras are here. 1:53:21.600 --> 1:53:22.400 Don't fuck it up. 1:53:23.040 --> 1:53:26.800 Yeah, And that was it was like, okay, and you 1:53:26.800 --> 1:53:28.080 know what, he's not wrong. 1:53:28.760 --> 1:53:29.479 Don't fuck it up. 1:53:29.560 --> 1:53:29.840 Yeah. 1:53:29.960 --> 1:53:32.200 I was like, let's go right, let's push the button. 1:53:32.240 --> 1:53:36.479 Fuck it up. Who knew our two pass? Yeah, don't 1:53:36.520 --> 1:53:38.960 fuck it up? Wait? Did you meet Snoop Talk? 1:53:40.040 --> 1:53:41.240 I wasn't on the No. 1:53:41.200 --> 1:53:42.360 I wasn't in that episode. 1:53:42.520 --> 1:53:46.960 Everyone asked that, like of all the guest roles, and 1:53:47.000 --> 1:53:48.960 that was a that was a t of course. 1:53:48.960 --> 1:53:49.680 That was a nice thing. 1:53:49.720 --> 1:53:51.680 I think they said we would love Snoop Dogg, and 1:53:51.800 --> 1:53:53.160 I think I said, I'll call him. 1:53:53.400 --> 1:53:54.559 I mean, how cool is that? Right? 1:53:54.920 --> 1:53:56.960 I remember like when your character was on, when I 1:53:57.000 --> 1:53:58.640 was watching the show, when you were first on like 1:53:58.680 --> 1:54:01.439 seven or eight years ago, I was like, Oh, this 1:54:01.520 --> 1:54:03.599 is what's bringing me into this guy is he's got 1:54:03.600 --> 1:54:06.160 this like family thing going on, you know, like your 1:54:06.160 --> 1:54:09.880 relationship with your dad, but also the sister thing, that's right, 1:54:09.479 --> 1:54:11.840 which honestly kicks off your slutty phase. 1:54:11.880 --> 1:54:12.520 I feel. 1:54:14.360 --> 1:54:15.759 Stones slutty phase. 1:54:16.120 --> 1:54:19.240 Yeah, Stone goes real slutty after his sister is killed 1:54:19.240 --> 1:54:19.760 by a. 1:54:19.920 --> 1:54:23.080 Partelartle, the cartel that's rights. 1:54:23.960 --> 1:54:24.600 Some of it was. 1:54:24.880 --> 1:54:27.600 It was just brutal, right, there was we read that 1:54:27.640 --> 1:54:31.240 script and we were like wa, whoa. And then the 1:54:31.320 --> 1:54:35.360 hardest part about missing the action stuff was then doing 1:54:35.480 --> 1:54:38.840 those episodes. Remember like that there was that episode, There 1:54:38.840 --> 1:54:41.600 was the episode in the bar where I was accused 1:54:41.640 --> 1:54:44.600 of Oh yeah, I was accused of raping someone in 1:54:44.640 --> 1:54:48.160 college and it wasn't true. And the guy's the gal's 1:54:48.240 --> 1:54:51.280 husband comes to the bar and it's like there was 1:54:51.480 --> 1:54:58.240 so much yeah, amazing right, amazing actor. And there was 1:54:58.400 --> 1:54:59.920 years and years of like someone put a gun in 1:54:59.920 --> 1:55:02.720 you and you'd be like take it away. 1:55:02.720 --> 1:55:03.880 And this was like I. 1:55:03.760 --> 1:55:06.400 Remember, had so many so many family members calling and 1:55:06.480 --> 1:55:09.240 so many like fans being like this is where Stonebridge 1:55:09.280 --> 1:55:13.280 kicks his ass. Right, He's not stone Bridge, He's Peterstone. 1:55:14.000 --> 1:55:16.000 But yeah, the sister stuff really kicked off. It really 1:55:16.000 --> 1:55:19.320 broke down Stone, you know, it was that was the 1:55:19.440 --> 1:55:21.600 beginning of the end of Stone right, and going into 1:55:21.640 --> 1:55:25.560 those last episodes kind of really you know it was 1:55:26.800 --> 1:55:29.400 it was just, you know, I had a two year 1:55:29.440 --> 1:55:32.480 contract on SVU. We didn't know if it was going 1:55:32.560 --> 1:55:35.960 to get renegotiated or not, but we wanted it to 1:55:36.040 --> 1:55:39.000 go out as strong as we could. And I remember 1:55:39.040 --> 1:55:41.760 the rewrites on the last episode were we ended up 1:55:41.760 --> 1:55:44.000 in a place where Stone really bent the rules for 1:55:44.080 --> 1:55:46.360 Benson right, and I think that that. 1:55:46.400 --> 1:55:48.720 Was a really great style. 1:55:49.120 --> 1:55:52.520 Yeah, totally like the he was working deals here making 1:55:52.560 --> 1:55:55.160 it happen, and it was, but it was totally breaking 1:55:55.160 --> 1:55:56.360 the law, which is not Stone. 1:55:56.640 --> 1:55:58.040 He would like he can bend the rules, but he 1:55:58.080 --> 1:55:59.000 wouldn't break them. 1:55:59.480 --> 1:56:03.480 And the first script that came out was he he 1:56:03.560 --> 1:56:06.760 had done similar things, but instead of having that discussion 1:56:06.880 --> 1:56:10.080 right outside the front of the courthouse, he got shot 1:56:10.280 --> 1:56:14.640 on the front steps of the courthouse. And we read 1:56:14.680 --> 1:56:17.800 it in the table read and we were like, oh snap. 1:56:18.000 --> 1:56:20.960 And there was definitely a bit of like fuck, you know, 1:56:21.040 --> 1:56:23.760 that's I can't ever do Peter Stone again. 1:56:24.560 --> 1:56:28.040 But what great television, right. I was like, man, let's 1:56:28.640 --> 1:56:29.200 let's go. 1:56:29.560 --> 1:56:34.040 And I remember Mariska came out in the hallway afterwards, 1:56:34.040 --> 1:56:36.560 and she was like, Philip, you can't die. 1:56:37.440 --> 1:56:38.440 And I was like, I don't know. 1:56:38.560 --> 1:56:41.640 I think as much as I would love to keep 1:56:41.680 --> 1:56:44.160 playing this character or have the opportunity down the road 1:56:45.680 --> 1:56:49.840 that is wild TV, especially for network TV, I was like, 1:56:50.080 --> 1:56:52.560 I think we could. It would be amazing if we 1:56:52.600 --> 1:56:55.680 could pull it off. And it sat with her for 1:56:55.720 --> 1:56:57.240 a while, and it sat with me for a while, 1:56:57.240 --> 1:57:00.800 and we went back to Michael Chernucin. Obviously didn't end 1:57:00.880 --> 1:57:03.320 up happening, and I think, and I'm now, you know, 1:57:03.360 --> 1:57:05.560 six years later, I'm really grateful because I think there's 1:57:05.920 --> 1:57:09.280 there's some opportunities maybe somewhere along the road to get 1:57:09.280 --> 1:57:11.160 some Peter Stone back in there, or him to do 1:57:11.200 --> 1:57:14.560 his own thing, you know. But that was definitely an option, 1:57:14.760 --> 1:57:17.280 And I thought, man, that would there's that. There's that 1:57:17.360 --> 1:57:19.880 as an artist, an artist, as an actor, You're like, 1:57:20.400 --> 1:57:23.240 I really like this character, but is the payoff good 1:57:23.360 --> 1:57:25.680 enough to literally put a bullet in them? 1:57:26.240 --> 1:57:27.920 So but I think we ended in a good place. 1:57:28.120 --> 1:57:30.200 Well, let me ask you this, because we haven't talked 1:57:30.240 --> 1:57:32.120 to We've talked to a lot of cast members, but 1:57:32.200 --> 1:57:35.160 some of them like kind of came on in the 1:57:35.200 --> 1:57:38.560 earlier years and like you came on season nineteen twenty 1:57:38.920 --> 1:57:41.840 to be We talked to so many guest stars and 1:57:41.880 --> 1:57:43.960 they always say, oh, it's a well oiled machine. They 1:57:44.000 --> 1:57:46.800 welcome us in and this and that. But you're coming 1:57:46.840 --> 1:57:49.080 in not just to be there for a week or two. 1:57:49.120 --> 1:57:51.040 You're going to be there for like the long haul. 1:57:51.360 --> 1:57:54.440 Did you find like the same kind of welcoming getting 1:57:54.480 --> 1:57:58.160 in with like the gang of like Marishka Scanavino, Roll 1:57:58.880 --> 1:58:01.720 you know now I'm Kelley, like Iced Tea. Were they 1:58:01.880 --> 1:58:03.840 just like, oh, welcome, You're one of the regular guys 1:58:03.840 --> 1:58:05.240 now or did you have to kind of earn it 1:58:05.280 --> 1:58:05.760 a little bit? 1:58:06.520 --> 1:58:07.960 I think probably a little bit of both. 1:58:08.000 --> 1:58:10.600 I think you have to, like anything, when you've been 1:58:10.640 --> 1:58:13.920 around that long, you really wanted like it's performance, right, 1:58:13.960 --> 1:58:15.880 You're like, can you hang with us? And I think 1:58:15.880 --> 1:58:17.360 there was a little bit of proving ourselves in the 1:58:17.360 --> 1:58:20.000 first few episodes. And also I was coming over with 1:58:21.200 --> 1:58:23.280 a showrunner that I had worked with for a year 1:58:23.720 --> 1:58:27.000 and oh, which is nice with Michael Trannucin, right, And 1:58:27.040 --> 1:58:28.640 so there was a little bit of like who are 1:58:28.640 --> 1:58:30.280 these guys? You know a little bit who are these 1:58:30.280 --> 1:58:32.040 two guys? And then right away they could see that 1:58:32.160 --> 1:58:35.520 Nutce is great and hopefully you know, I just jumped 1:58:35.560 --> 1:58:38.400 in and did my stuff. But it wasn't anything too 1:58:39.160 --> 1:58:41.280 you know, they're not bullying you by any means, but 1:58:41.280 --> 1:58:44.960 there's definitely like, hey, can you guys hang and you know, 1:58:45.320 --> 1:58:48.560 and it's important because the show's hinged on that, right. 1:58:49.840 --> 1:58:51.800 But then they were just so welcoming and it was 1:58:51.840 --> 1:58:53.680 all you know, it was very much invited to all 1:58:53.720 --> 1:58:56.240 the events and parties and things like that and dinners 1:58:56.240 --> 1:58:59.840 at people's houses and sometimes that's what it was. It 1:58:59.880 --> 1:59:01.800 was a little difficult to be involved in as much 1:59:01.800 --> 1:59:04.440 stuff as of and that side of things because I 1:59:04.480 --> 1:59:06.520 had a young daughter at home in Montana. 1:59:06.760 --> 1:59:09.720 If she wasn't in New York, I was on a plane. 1:59:10.200 --> 1:59:13.080 Like this. It was really it was a real gift. 1:59:12.880 --> 1:59:15.040 Because on Justice it was you know, working ninety hours 1:59:15.040 --> 1:59:17.360 a week and not you know, sleeping, eating with your 1:59:17.360 --> 1:59:21.160 script in your hand. And then I had Peterstone on 1:59:21.280 --> 1:59:24.840 SVU and so I had time and if I wasn't 1:59:24.840 --> 1:59:27.520 in New York, I was on a If I wasn't shooting, 1:59:27.720 --> 1:59:29.040 I was getting on a plane and going to see 1:59:29.040 --> 1:59:31.240 my daughter and my wife. Even if it was overnight. 1:59:31.280 --> 1:59:34.520 I'd land in the afternoon in Montana, kiss my family, 1:59:34.600 --> 1:59:36.400 hang out, and get on a flight the early next 1:59:36.400 --> 1:59:38.120 morning and comeback. And we always had to have a 1:59:38.200 --> 1:59:40.960 day buffer, especially in the winter because weather in New 1:59:41.040 --> 1:59:42.560 York and weather in Montana's just crazy. 1:59:42.760 --> 1:59:44.080 Well are their direct flights. 1:59:44.920 --> 1:59:47.440 There was a United flight, There's a United flight in 1:59:47.440 --> 1:59:48.120 the winter. 1:59:48.000 --> 1:59:50.440 Because of ski season. But then as soon as spring 1:59:50.440 --> 1:59:52.680 comes around in mud seasons here, I had to go 1:59:52.720 --> 1:59:55.840 through Chicago or Salt Lake City or something like that, 1:59:55.880 --> 1:59:57.960 and that makes it a whole day of traveling, which 1:59:58.000 --> 2:00:01.120 look champagne problems, right, But I was spent doing a 2:00:01.160 --> 2:00:02.280 lot of sky time for sure. 2:00:02.520 --> 2:00:05.440 And then how was the last day? Was there a party? 2:00:05.680 --> 2:00:07.720 Was there a wrap or their gifts? 2:00:08.280 --> 2:00:12.080 Was last day? Gosh, there's so much emotion wrapped up 2:00:12.080 --> 2:00:14.000 in it. I remember being pretty cut up about it. 2:00:16.120 --> 2:00:18.600 You know it's coming. I actually found out I wasn't 2:00:18.600 --> 2:00:22.320 going to be going back probably two or three episodes 2:00:22.440 --> 2:00:25.440 before the end, right, So you're kind of doing these 2:00:25.440 --> 2:00:28.000 episodes not with a chip on your shoulder, but a 2:00:28.000 --> 2:00:29.960 little bit like darn it, like could I have done 2:00:30.000 --> 2:00:30.680 something different? 2:00:30.920 --> 2:00:31.760 Is it my fault? 2:00:31.880 --> 2:00:34.440 And sometimes it's just like your contract didn't get reapped 2:00:34.480 --> 2:00:36.040 right or what or that that's the end of that 2:00:36.120 --> 2:00:40.760 character for that reason. And yeah, there was lovely you know, 2:00:40.840 --> 2:00:43.440 Marisca said some lovely things in front of the crew, 2:00:43.600 --> 2:00:45.000 and I was able to talk to the crew and 2:00:45.000 --> 2:00:47.320 say thanks for everything, and you know, I think we 2:00:48.480 --> 2:00:49.120 I don't know what. 2:00:49.040 --> 2:00:49.960 My last scene was. 2:00:50.040 --> 2:00:52.440 I think it was in the courtroom and I think 2:00:53.280 --> 2:00:55.280 actually it was in the courtroom. And so that was 2:00:55.320 --> 2:00:56.960 a nice way to wrap it up because it felt 2:00:56.960 --> 2:01:00.200 like it had gone full circle from Chicago Justice all 2:01:00.200 --> 2:01:02.080 the way back to all the way back to Law 2:01:02.080 --> 2:01:04.800 and Order SPU and then and because the courtroom is big, 2:01:05.000 --> 2:01:06.600 we had extras in there, we had the whole crew 2:01:06.640 --> 2:01:08.000 in there, and we were able to say thank you 2:01:08.040 --> 2:01:08.480 and goodbye. 2:01:08.560 --> 2:01:10.040 And it's always a weird thing. 2:01:09.920 --> 2:01:12.560 You know, that's your family, for lack of a better term, 2:01:12.600 --> 2:01:14.880 I mean, you're with them so many hours a day, 2:01:15.000 --> 2:01:18.280 so many days a week, that all of a sudden, 2:01:18.280 --> 2:01:21.280 you're it's always it's always for me, it's like, you know, 2:01:21.680 --> 2:01:24.720 being a guy. It's like a month later, you know, 2:01:24.760 --> 2:01:26.160 and I'm sitting in my office and I'm like. 2:01:27.600 --> 2:01:28.120 I'm sad. 2:01:29.560 --> 2:01:34.800 Wait a second, I really love that show. But yeah, 2:01:35.040 --> 2:01:38.040 just such a gift and wonderful, wonderful people. 2:01:38.360 --> 2:01:41.280 Really, do you want to talk about Ransom Canyon? 2:01:42.280 --> 2:01:44.840 Sure? Sure, yeah? You are you guys up to date 2:01:44.880 --> 2:01:45.680 on Ransom Can. 2:01:49.200 --> 2:01:51.560 How could you be when there's how many thousands of 2:01:51.600 --> 2:01:52.800 episodes of SVU to work? 2:01:52.840 --> 2:01:55.080 Oh my god, and we have to see them all 2:01:55.120 --> 2:01:56.240 seventeen times or. 2:01:56.240 --> 2:01:59.280 We won't have to see them all. Uh yeah, Ransom. 2:01:59.320 --> 2:02:02.280 Look, we shot Rant Canyon down in Albuquerque, New Mexico. 2:02:02.920 --> 2:02:05.880 It's a adaptation of a of several novels. There's a 2:02:05.880 --> 2:02:08.720 whole bunch of them. It's good fun. It's sort of 2:02:08.720 --> 2:02:11.240 a I guess you, I would call it a Yellowstone 2:02:11.280 --> 2:02:15.440 meets Friday Night Lights. It's lovely so that we got 2:02:15.440 --> 2:02:18.560 to make a Callrie Josh Dumel. It's it's doing great. 2:02:18.640 --> 2:02:18.880 It was. 2:02:18.960 --> 2:02:20.600 Last time I checked, it was number one or number 2:02:20.600 --> 2:02:23.200 two on Netflix. Hell yeah, in the in the United States, 2:02:23.240 --> 2:02:25.240 and I think number one or number two globally too, 2:02:25.320 --> 2:02:28.360 which is great. It hit a nerve, which is fantastic. 2:02:28.480 --> 2:02:30.440 My wife and I sat down over the weekend and 2:02:30.480 --> 2:02:31.000 watched it and it. 2:02:31.040 --> 2:02:34.440 Was really funny. It was like yellow more romance a. 2:02:34.360 --> 2:02:37.879 Lot more romance. Okay, yeah, very much like the turmoil 2:02:37.920 --> 2:02:41.680 of like the the lovers who own ranches trying to 2:02:41.800 --> 2:02:44.400 fight over the one gal who owns a lavender farm. 2:02:44.480 --> 2:02:47.240 And then I play I play the Sheriff of Ransom 2:02:47.280 --> 2:02:49.720 Canyon and my daughter's in love with the bad boy 2:02:49.760 --> 2:02:51.840 and I don't like that, and they're trying to figure 2:02:51.880 --> 2:02:53.880 that out. And then there's you know, a tornado comes 2:02:53.920 --> 2:02:54.320 through town. 2:02:54.400 --> 2:02:59.320 It's very it's just it's popcorn, but it's good popcorn. Right, 2:02:59.440 --> 2:03:02.560 It's like it's it's soapy, but great, Sophie. 2:03:02.600 --> 2:03:06.320 There's wonderful music, long pauses on scenes, you know, the 2:03:06.360 --> 2:03:10.640 camera will hold on a scene, beautiful cinematography. 2:03:09.800 --> 2:03:11.080 That is gorgeous down there. 2:03:11.200 --> 2:03:13.640 It's just gorgeous television. 2:03:13.800 --> 2:03:16.360 Yeah, so it's just weird, like it just premiered this 2:03:16.480 --> 2:03:17.680 month in April. 2:03:17.840 --> 2:03:21.720 Yeah, we kind of still getting around making the rounds. 2:03:22.120 --> 2:03:23.960 Yeah, it's making the rounds and doing and it's doing 2:03:23.960 --> 2:03:24.560 great so far. 2:03:24.640 --> 2:03:26.840 So we're hey, you'll probably get another season of that, 2:03:26.880 --> 2:03:28.600 and you'll be back in Albuquerque. 2:03:28.680 --> 2:03:31.120 I think we I'm hoping we're back in Albuquerque. Yeah, 2:03:31.120 --> 2:03:34.200 that would be great. Thank you so much, Thank you guys. 2:03:34.680 --> 2:03:36.800 Yeah, it was a dream. I feel like we could 2:03:36.800 --> 2:03:38.760 talk to you for another three hours. Thank you so 2:03:38.840 --> 2:03:39.200 much for. 2:03:39.800 --> 2:03:42.800 Remembering everything and all the details and all the fun 2:03:42.880 --> 2:03:45.080 and some ice cool facts like oh. 2:03:44.960 --> 2:03:47.400 Ice cold facts. He's the man. No, it's you guys. 2:03:47.400 --> 2:03:50.040 You guys. It's like when you mentioned stuff, it's like, oh, yeah, 2:03:50.040 --> 2:03:52.920 that's right. It was a lot of fun. We're on 2:03:53.000 --> 2:03:54.120 it and really appreciate it. 2:03:57.560 --> 2:04:00.040 Wow, what again, look at us if we're not the 2:04:00.080 --> 2:04:01.000 premiere podcast. 2:04:01.120 --> 2:04:02.000 I don't know, I don't know. 2:04:03.320 --> 2:04:06.520 Can you image guests like this? This is yeah wild 2:04:06.640 --> 2:04:10.160 Hee's he was one a chatter good story and he 2:04:10.240 --> 2:04:15.400 also like took that job, like like he loved that 2:04:15.520 --> 2:04:17.200 job as much as we love watching the show. 2:04:17.400 --> 2:04:18.720 Yeah, and that's what's really good. 2:04:18.880 --> 2:04:21.240 You know. It's like fun watching someone that like remembers 2:04:21.240 --> 2:04:24.040 all these moments. And also like we've never gotten Dick 2:04:24.080 --> 2:04:28.080 Wolf's scoop. Yeah, like I want to hear about Dick 2:04:28.120 --> 2:04:34.880 Wolf's desk, like yeah, yeah, he was so nice, so cute. 2:04:35.080 --> 2:04:37.760 He was coming to us from a podcast studio. Talk 2:04:37.800 --> 2:04:42.120 about taking it seriously well, Kara said, as like they 2:04:42.160 --> 2:04:44.120 were closing and we were all logging off, she heard 2:04:44.120 --> 2:04:46.200 someone go that was fun, so I don't know if 2:04:46.200 --> 2:04:50.800 it was Philip or who is helping record, but that feels. 2:04:50.760 --> 2:04:52.520 To have fun. I hope you had fun. 2:04:52.560 --> 2:04:57.240 Can you imagine if we heard something else? Yeah, shrieking bitches, 2:04:57.360 --> 2:04:57.560 you know? 2:04:57.720 --> 2:04:58.160 Yeah? 2:04:58.280 --> 2:05:01.200 Yeah, But this episode, I mean, it's like, I don't know, 2:05:01.240 --> 2:05:02.760 we gotta do a post mortem. But do you really 2:05:02.800 --> 2:05:05.360 want to get us started about toxic masculinity and how 2:05:05.360 --> 2:05:07.760 you're fucking up all the boys of this of this 2:05:07.960 --> 2:05:09.800 fucking uh world. 2:05:09.960 --> 2:05:13.280 I don't know, Like, it's just so horrible that we 2:05:13.360 --> 2:05:16.000 could live, Like, I don't know, because I want to 2:05:16.000 --> 2:05:18.440 do I was thinking about, like I'm so against chat 2:05:18.440 --> 2:05:22.360 GBT and AI so against it, but then it's also like, 2:05:23.040 --> 2:05:24.920 but it could do all these lovely things. I just 2:05:24.920 --> 2:05:28.520 don't believe in humanity. Yeah, I just think evil. 2:05:28.280 --> 2:05:31.000 A can to be trusted with a toy like that. 2:05:31.080 --> 2:05:32.480 We can't be trusted with that tool. 2:05:32.520 --> 2:05:35.600 I would love AI, but it's like, no, Chat GIBC sucks. 2:05:35.640 --> 2:05:36.120 It's bad. 2:05:36.200 --> 2:05:39.720 It's evil because we're evil as a as a numbers game, 2:05:39.840 --> 2:05:41.800 like why don't you let your boy not have to 2:05:41.880 --> 2:05:42.720 murder a rabbit? 2:05:43.560 --> 2:05:50.080 Yes, off this chain reaction of like manliness being equated 2:05:50.120 --> 2:05:50.839 to violence. 2:05:50.880 --> 2:05:53.839 And taking lives and all this stuff. It's like nothing. 2:05:54.160 --> 2:05:56.680 If my kids never shoot a gun in their lives, 2:05:56.720 --> 2:05:59.240 I'll be so proud, so proud. My god, Way do 2:05:59.240 --> 2:06:02.200 you watch fashion for to review? I know I know 2:06:02.480 --> 2:06:04.120 about it, but I don't watch it religiously. 2:06:04.520 --> 2:06:07.200 Oh my god. So the lasts was West. 2:06:07.320 --> 2:06:11.200 Yeah, Tudor boot Raven's outfit was awesome for the Western. 2:06:11.200 --> 2:06:13.320 Weard like it was this corset but on her titties 2:06:13.360 --> 2:06:14.040 were two guns. 2:06:14.040 --> 2:06:15.440 And I'm like, that's what you do with guns. 2:06:15.520 --> 2:06:18.200 Yeah, you make them into a corset and I'll have 2:06:18.320 --> 2:06:21.360 some fun. Yes, yeah, girls, she looked beautiful. I'm like 2:06:21.400 --> 2:06:24.120 obsessed with them. They're true truly two of the most beautiful, 2:06:24.440 --> 2:06:27.160 Like they're gorge faces I've ever seen in my life. 2:06:27.400 --> 2:06:29.640 Icons and so funny. I love them and I think they're 2:06:29.760 --> 2:06:30.720 so funny. 2:06:30.520 --> 2:06:32.920 And knowledgeable, like the way they like talk about the 2:06:32.960 --> 2:06:34.880 outfits and the references and all of it. 2:06:34.920 --> 2:06:38.080 They've been there since the beginning. I mean, they're they're. 2:06:37.960 --> 2:06:41.400 They're they're I hate, I don't want to say like elders, 2:06:41.400 --> 2:06:43.160 but they're like because they're not old, but. 2:06:43.120 --> 2:06:48.120 They're like they would call themselves elder. They're someone's thirty two, 2:06:48.200 --> 2:06:49.720 Like Sasha Colby's what thirty five? 2:06:50.200 --> 2:06:53.000 I know, and they're like, oh, to just know that 2:06:53.040 --> 2:06:56.040 Sasha's here, She's such a legend, so she's thirty five. 2:06:57.560 --> 2:07:01.320 Drag Race is so funny. But I and they burned early. 2:07:01.640 --> 2:07:02.600 I just wish. 2:07:02.480 --> 2:07:05.800 People wanted their you know, That's what I always preacher 2:07:05.840 --> 2:07:08.280 at that where it's like the conditional and unconditional love 2:07:08.280 --> 2:07:11.240 and just yeah. Also, if you haven't watched night Owl yet, 2:07:11.400 --> 2:07:12.440 give it a fucking watch. 2:07:12.720 --> 2:07:16.720 Yeah, are you doing it? Is this uh thing of 2:07:16.880 --> 2:07:18.560 like just let people be. 2:07:19.800 --> 2:07:21.680 I know, I just really try to teach my kids 2:07:21.840 --> 2:07:25.960 kindness above anything. I'm like, I know, condition to be kids. Yeah, 2:07:25.960 --> 2:07:27.280 I was like, I know there's gonna be kids that 2:07:27.320 --> 2:07:29.600 you don't like. I know, you don't have to like everybody. 2:07:29.600 --> 2:07:31.280 There's gonna be people you don't get along with. Just 2:07:31.320 --> 2:07:35.040 don't be mean to people, don't be unkind. You know, 2:07:35.080 --> 2:07:38.200 there's ways you can like just be kind to people. 2:07:38.320 --> 2:07:42.400 Baseline and I just feel like we would have so 2:07:42.560 --> 2:07:46.200 much less of these shootings, these kinds of things that 2:07:46.240 --> 2:07:48.720 happen like every day, everybody's worried about sending their kids 2:07:48.720 --> 2:07:51.160 to school because we have one of these every week. 2:07:51.120 --> 2:07:53.280 And then they use all this in the bad schools 2:07:53.320 --> 2:07:57.520 to then promote homeschooling, which then like causes more issues 2:07:57.560 --> 2:08:01.320 and less funding for school. It's like it's all connected, 2:08:01.400 --> 2:08:04.000 it's all the fabric of it all. But if only 2:08:05.280 --> 2:08:07.400 you can you know, your kids aren't gonna be you, 2:08:08.080 --> 2:08:09.360 they get to be themselves. 2:08:09.560 --> 2:08:13.480 And like, I don't know, and don't have guns just 2:08:13.600 --> 2:08:16.560 lying around, don't rape your kid. 2:08:17.240 --> 2:08:19.280 But I'm glad with the real cases, Like I hope 2:08:19.280 --> 2:08:22.080 they start arresting and charging and convicting parents. 2:08:22.440 --> 2:08:23.720 Yeah, if your guns are. 2:08:23.640 --> 2:08:27.720 Left unattended, if you're teach indoctrinating your children with bullshit, 2:08:28.000 --> 2:08:30.040 you should you should be on trial. 2:08:30.520 --> 2:08:34.320 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, their minds, their frontal lobes are 2:08:34.360 --> 2:08:38.120 not fully formed, and you this is not the time 2:08:38.160 --> 2:08:41.760 to be shoving gun propaganda inside of them. 2:08:42.040 --> 2:08:47.480 Uh. But also, but great acting, great episode, great guest 2:08:48.520 --> 2:08:51.120 and as always, I mean, it's also not just about 2:08:51.440 --> 2:08:52.800 it's also not just about the guns. 2:08:52.840 --> 2:08:55.160 I mean, I don't know why that man thought he had. 2:08:55.040 --> 2:09:02.200 To also sexually assault his child to teach him a lessons. 2:09:02.600 --> 2:09:04.720 That's the worst part of this episode. 2:09:04.800 --> 2:09:08.800 Like that's obviously the worst part, but it also is like, what, like, 2:09:09.800 --> 2:09:15.160 I don't know that is so it's awful, but listen. 2:09:16.080 --> 2:09:17.760 Well, let's move on to what would Sister Peg Do? 2:09:18.040 --> 2:09:18.440 This week? 2:09:18.480 --> 2:09:20.520 For What Sister Peg Do, which is our weekly segment 2:09:20.560 --> 2:09:24.080 where we direct you to a book, a blog post, 2:09:24.520 --> 2:09:27.400 an organization, a doc something to give you more information 2:09:27.440 --> 2:09:29.840 about what we talked about in today's episode, I wanted 2:09:29.840 --> 2:09:32.360 to port you to an article called how to Address 2:09:32.400 --> 2:09:35.880 Toxic Masculinity with Boys on a website that is for 2:09:35.920 --> 2:09:40.200 a nonprofit called next Gen Men and not to be 2:09:40.240 --> 2:09:43.600 confused with Next Gen NYC, which is a reality. 2:09:43.240 --> 2:09:44.000 Show on Bravo. 2:09:44.760 --> 2:09:47.680 This week, how do we get a reward for not 2:09:47.800 --> 2:09:50.400 mentioning Bravo once this whole episode? 2:09:50.720 --> 2:09:53.840 Actually, yeah, that we need to medal we do. 2:09:54.520 --> 2:09:56.480 But my god, after my show in Philly, I was 2:09:56.480 --> 2:09:58.240 like talking to this group of people for a really 2:09:58.240 --> 2:10:00.120 long time after the show, and when I went back 2:10:00.120 --> 2:10:01.880 to all the other comics, some people that worked at 2:10:01.880 --> 2:10:03.400 the club, They're like, oh, are those your friends? I 2:10:03.440 --> 2:10:06.880 go truly strangers from the show. They just brought up Summerhouse. Yeah, 2:10:07.320 --> 2:10:09.360 they brought up Summerhouse. And that's all that I need it, 2:10:09.440 --> 2:10:12.360 that's all you need? That is Oh my god. Wait, 2:10:12.520 --> 2:10:16.440 page's fucking loungewear line. I gotta get online. 2:10:16.880 --> 2:10:17.440 It's live. 2:10:17.800 --> 2:10:19.760 Okay, So now you're not getting the metal anymore because 2:10:19.760 --> 2:10:20.720 we were bringing it up. 2:10:20.720 --> 2:10:23.400 We're talking about it. Listen. 2:10:23.520 --> 2:10:25.840 I think this is a really important topic. This the 2:10:25.840 --> 2:10:28.440 toxic masculinity and boys. There's all this shit on the 2:10:28.440 --> 2:10:31.360 internet that kids have access to, Andrew taate like all 2:10:31.400 --> 2:10:34.760 this shit that they're indoctrinating boys telling them, and this 2:10:34.880 --> 2:10:37.280 is outside of parents' control sometimes, Like if you don't 2:10:37.280 --> 2:10:39.400 know what your kids are watching on YouTube, then you 2:10:39.400 --> 2:10:41.640 know they're getting this shit from their friends, all this 2:10:41.640 --> 2:10:43.840 stuff about how to be a you know whatever, a man. 2:10:44.280 --> 2:10:46.320 So this is a really in depth article that highlights 2:10:46.320 --> 2:10:48.440 a lot of the presumptions we have about teenage boys 2:10:48.440 --> 2:10:51.360 and the trauma that many boys experience navigating toxic teenage 2:10:51.360 --> 2:10:52.040 boy culture. 2:10:52.400 --> 2:10:55.040 And the article does a good job of representing. 2:10:54.640 --> 2:10:57.640 The boy's point of view and points out that boys 2:10:57.680 --> 2:10:59.960 actually want to know how to be masculine without being taught. 2:11:00.480 --> 2:11:03.920 So if you're interested, you can read the article over 2:11:03.960 --> 2:11:08.879 at next Gen Men dotca and that will be posted 2:11:09.040 --> 2:11:12.400 in our show notes and in our stories the day 2:11:12.440 --> 2:11:14.160 that this episode comes out and All of our old 2:11:14.240 --> 2:11:18.080 WWSPD stories are saved in our highlight on our Instagram 2:11:18.120 --> 2:11:22.320 page called WWSPD and our Instagram's That's messed Up pod. 2:11:23.520 --> 2:11:26.760 Thank you, thanks for all that. I'm also sorry that 2:11:26.800 --> 2:11:29.200 I plugged my special while we were talking about school 2:11:29.200 --> 2:11:33.160 shooting and rape. It's okay, but I would like you 2:11:33.200 --> 2:11:34.320 all to watch we jump around. 2:11:34.520 --> 2:11:35.280 We jump around. 2:11:35.640 --> 2:11:39.520 Also, the Daphnie line is sold out and is obviously 2:11:39.560 --> 2:11:43.600 not sized inclusive, but even if it wasn't sold out, 2:11:43.640 --> 2:11:45.880 I would sadly not be able to fit. 2:11:47.920 --> 2:11:52.080 Where are you? And it's just funny. That's so funny like. 2:11:52.040 --> 2:11:57.440 That we thought page would have a size inclusive line. 2:11:56.680 --> 2:11:58.560 I know, but also like a man that being like 2:11:58.760 --> 2:12:01.680 these bathing suits are for big titties and it's like, okay, 2:12:01.720 --> 2:12:02.240 well they. 2:12:02.080 --> 2:12:04.280 Only go up to a large so love you bummer. 2:12:04.680 --> 2:12:09.640 Yeah, okay, So next week we'll be doing Nocturn from 2:12:09.760 --> 2:12:14.320 season one, episode twenty one. Join us please and everyone, 2:12:14.560 --> 2:12:17.640 stay safe, stay motivated, stay. 2:12:17.600 --> 2:12:20.400 Stay alert, stay alert. See you next week. 2:12:20.560 --> 2:12:32.840 Enjoy your summer. Bye, never change. That's messed up as 2:12:32.880 --> 2:12:34.160 an exactly right production. 2:12:34.560 --> 2:12:36.680 If you have compliments you'd like to give us or 2:12:36.760 --> 2:12:38.960 episodes you'd like us to cover. 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