1 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: Well, hello everybody, and welcome to the Renee Stubs Tennis podcast. 2 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 2: I have a funny story to tell you all. 3 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: So I had to call Sam Stozer because I left 4 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: Melbourne very quickly. She left the courts really quickly, and 5 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I was like, I'm not 6 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: going to see Sam. And then I thought I need 7 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: to do my podcast today. Who could I talk to 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: that I need to talk to that I haven't seen 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: since I left Melbourne. Who could help me get through 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: my podcast today? And it's Sam Stozer. 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: Good day mate. 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: Hello, I knew there was another reason. 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, tell the story before we start this. You can 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: throw me under the bus. 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. I just saw your message and I thought, oh, 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 3: what's funny, Stubbs. 17 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 4: He wants to have a chat. I wonder what that's about. 18 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 4: That'd be a bit random. And then minutes later I 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 4: get a zoom link to do a podcast. So lucky 20 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 4: I was, you know, not doing much at the moment. 21 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: Well, Sam, you know you have been aepy to help. Yeah, 22 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 2: but listen, you are. 23 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: Also the person that's been on this podcast I think 24 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: more than anyone, because you have co hosted with me before. 25 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: And now that you're a media star doing television in Australia. Well, 26 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: I just thought who better to get on here but you. 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: So before we get going, Sam, how's the television. 28 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: Retirement life been for you? 29 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: To for our lovely listeners that certainly know you and 30 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: miss you on the tour? 31 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 3: It's actually been very good. I wasn't. 32 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 4: I'd already tried it a couple of times, dabbled in 33 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 4: and out for the odd match here and there. One 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 4: time in two thousand and eight when I couldn't play 35 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 4: the Aussie Open. I did it for a week and 36 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 4: then the odd match here and there the last few years, 37 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 4: and thought, oh. 38 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't mind it. 39 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 4: But then when it becomes sort of more of a thing, 40 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 4: I was like, I wonder how it to go. And 41 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 4: now I've done two opens Tooussie Opens, and I have 42 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: to say I actually quite enjoy it. I'd certainly interesting seeing 43 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 4: things from the other side and how that works and 44 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 4: sort of what how it all intertwines together. 45 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 3: So I think, honestly, I think if when we were 46 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: players had a little. 47 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 4: Bit more of an insight into a toilet break situation 48 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 4: trying to you know, fill air or getting late to it, 49 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 4: you know, when you're called to your match and you 50 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 4: decide to take an extra five minutes because you're not ready. 51 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 3: Honestly, like, now, I. 52 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 4: See how disruptive that can be to something like television, 53 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 4: which is obviously trying to get us out there and 54 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 4: get our matches on the screen so that more people 55 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 4: can watch. I can see some of the frustration now, 56 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 4: so a new appreciation and I've actually, yeah, I've really 57 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 4: enjoyed it. 58 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: That is so fascinating that you decided to bring that up, 59 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: because that is so true. I think when you do, 60 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, players that are now sort of 61 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: tournament directors or running tournaments or doing television, you sort 62 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: of get the whole bigger picture of things. Which is 63 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: why even when I make comments about certain things players do, 64 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,679 Speaker 1: for example, on the court, or they take forever in 65 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: the toilet, or you know, they don't get on the 66 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: court quick enough, or they decide to like you know, 67 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, sort of ask for things from a tornment director, 68 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: you're just like, you get it now, you sort of understand. 69 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: And it's interesting that it's interesting that you bring that up. 70 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: I think that's a conversation to be had with more 71 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: players from the WTA perspective, it's actually bringing great players 72 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: like yourself, Grand Slam champions like yourself in to say, look, 73 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: I know you guys don't get it, because like I didn't, 74 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: now I'm on the other side of it, and I 75 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: understand the importance of those one or two minutes of 76 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: a toilet break and having to fill time on air. 77 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: And how also you can. 78 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: Talk about and I know this myself from tournament directors, 79 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: especially Grand Slam tournament directors, they're like, the ratings go 80 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: down when certain things like that happen, people turn off 81 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: the television. And how important television literally pays for the players. 82 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: That's what prize money comes from. 83 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: Yes, it comes from sponsorship, but really television is the 84 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: biggest driver of people's prize money. 85 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: And so when you want more prize. 86 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: Money, you've got to have bigger television ratings, and you've 87 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: got to have people that want to sponsor those television 88 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: where the Channel nine in Australia or ESPN in the US, 89 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: like they. 90 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: If it's something, isn't different. 91 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: Things exactly, It's all intertwined. So it's really interesting that 92 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: you said that. 93 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: I didn't even think about asking you about that, but 94 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: good I hope people that do with our players, that 95 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: listen to us, we'll. 96 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: Hear that it's got to go both ways, obviously, because 97 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 4: I mean, there's no product without the players, and there's 98 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 4: no you know, plays without somewhere to go and play. 99 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 4: So it's got to go both ways. But it certainly 100 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 4: has given me another perspective. And you know, I took 101 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 4: like two toilet breaks in my whole life, so it's 102 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 4: not like I feel guilty. 103 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 3: For doing certain things at all, but now I see 104 00:04:58,960 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: it from another way. 105 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 2: I'm going to throw this out there. 106 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: I think it's an ausy thing because I played twenty 107 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: two years on tour. 108 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: You played what seventeen, eighteen. 109 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: Twenty two, yeah, twenty open. 110 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: So in twenty two years of playing professionally, give or. 111 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: Take the two of us, forty four years of playing professionally, 112 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: we took four toilet breaks, the two of us. 113 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 2: So there are things to be said. That's a whole 114 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: but we could get into it. 115 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: But I think that's really important for people to understand. 116 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: You know, when they bitch and moan about you know, 117 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: we're not getting this and we're not getting that. 118 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 2: Well, you have to. 119 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: It's quid pro quo you've got to get what you give, 120 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: and you give what you get. So good point to 121 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: start with, Sam, look at that. See, this is why 122 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: we have you on. Actually a little bit of a 123 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: controversial thing that I got thrown at me on the 124 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: Old X in my last. 125 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 2: Podcast with Petcos. 126 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: We were so enthusiastic to talk about the women's final 127 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: and I want your thoughts on Madison Keys as well, 128 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: but because you did virtually all of her matches as 129 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: well as Isustra and open the controversy with the woman 130 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: yelling out to Zverev about you know, Australia believes, you know, 131 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: the two women that have accused him. 132 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: And people were like, why didn't you talk about that? 133 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: And I was like, because I wanted to talk about 134 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: the positive things about the strain and open and particularly 135 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: about Madison Keys and what she did. 136 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: But I don't know how you thought about that. 137 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: My thinking is I've spoken so much about the Zverev situation. 138 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,559 Speaker 1: People should know how I feel about him and about 139 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: that situation. But also I just didn't think that was 140 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: I guess there's a time to yell it out. That 141 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: was perfect time because it was dead quiet, because people 142 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: wanted to hear what he had to say. But I 143 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: just I honestly didn't talk about it because I forgot 144 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: about it. 145 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 4: Well, I haven't thought about it for a moment since actually, so. 146 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, perfect time for that person to do that. 147 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 4: I don't think it's an appropriate time overall, though, like, 148 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 4: come on, it's not what that moment's about. So I 149 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 4: didn't honestly, I couldn't even understand what she was yelling out. 150 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 4: It wasn't until afterwards I read it online. So yeah, look, 151 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 4: I don't I don't think it's a great I'm not 152 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 4: about that sort of behavior. 153 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 3: Put it that way. 154 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I. 155 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: Mean, listen, I can understand if you really feel strongly 156 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: about the two women that have accused him of you know, 157 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: assault and all that sort of stuff, you can understand 158 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: that was the perfect time to do it. But also, 159 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: at the same time, it kind of felt bad for 160 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: Sinner in a lot of ways because he was like, well, jeez, 161 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,239 Speaker 1: this is sor of taking it away from his moment 162 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: as well. But anyway, to the person who and the 163 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: people who came at me on X, we totally forgot 164 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: about it. 165 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: We didn't even think about talking about it because. 166 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: We wanted to get to how good the women's final was, 167 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: and for someone like you who's won a Grand Slam, 168 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: and you know, I thought about you when Madison hit 169 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: that inside out fourhand to win the tournament, was such 170 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: a great shot. 171 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: It was such a great moment. 172 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: You also like hit this incredible inside out fourhand to 173 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: win your Grand Slam against Serena. Take us through, like 174 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: what that must have felt for Maddie and what she's 175 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: gone through. 176 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: Similarly to you, you were an old in age when 177 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: you won. 178 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,119 Speaker 1: You you was open, you'd been close at the French Open, 179 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: You've been to the Semis and of the final. Take 180 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: us through what that must have meant for her and 181 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: what she's put in and the thing she said afterwards 182 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: about therapy and everything like that, what the big. 183 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: Picture was for you? 184 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 3: Oh look, I was so happy for her. I think. 185 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 4: The whole tournament, before the draw was even done, I 186 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 4: thought saba Anka was gonna win. So then it was 187 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 4: funny when it got to Saberlanka and Keys in the final, 188 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I can't now back against the 189 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 4: person I've been saying's going to win with her actually 190 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 4: in the final, but thing, yeah, I was like, Keys 191 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 4: has got a great shot here. I was super impressed 192 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 4: with the way she fought through that match with Fiantech. 193 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 4: I said it somewhere, you know, I thought she was 194 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 4: done down and out. I thought physically she looked more 195 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 4: tapped than what Eager did, especially in that super tie 196 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 4: break and a couple of other key things that happened 197 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 4: in there. But somehow she found a way to win 198 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 4: the more important points and get herself back into that 199 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 4: tie break and then ultimately win it. And she went 200 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 4: out and won it like she absolutely deserved that semi final, 201 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 4: And after seeing her play like that going into the final, 202 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 4: it was like, Okay, I think this is sort of 203 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 4: meant to be for her, And. 204 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: I do feel like it was great that she got. 205 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 4: Off to a good start and really kind of set 206 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 4: the tone there because you kind of want that knowing Okay, well, 207 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 4: I've been in this situation before. Didn't go my way, 208 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: I didn't handle it well. I think the way that 209 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 4: she was able to turn that around, especially in that 210 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 4: time frame two seven years a long time to have 211 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 4: between drinks to you know, think about that and then okay, 212 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 4: well how am I different now? 213 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 3: What could I do? And to play? 214 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 4: And then there was some key things In that third set, 215 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 4: I think it was one all love third she got 216 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 4: out of. Then the five all game was a joke, 217 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 4: and it was like that five all game, she just 218 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 4: stepped up and just took it. 219 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: To another level. 220 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 4: And it was neck and neck really up until that point, 221 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 4: and whatever came over her, it was like, I'm going 222 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 4: out to win this, and I just love seeing that, 223 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 4: and it genuinely made me like, obviously love tennis, and 224 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 4: I love watching tennis anyway. 225 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: But that little period of five or six. 226 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 4: Minutes from five all to the end of the match 227 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 4: made me really excited about tennis and like, geez, that's 228 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 4: incredible to watch. It's like edges, you seat stuff. I 229 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 4: was sitting in the green room at Channel nine and 230 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 4: there was fire or maybe five of us in there. 231 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: And we were like up on our feet. 232 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 4: And fist pumping up just because the tennis was so good. 233 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 4: And I just hats off to her for what she like. 234 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 4: We can go into the things that she's changed and adapted, 235 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 4: but to do what she did in that moment and 236 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 4: say I'm going to be better than what I've been before, 237 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 4: and I'm going to do it every point. 238 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: And you know, if it comes off. 239 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 4: I know I'm going to get the ultimate reward of 240 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 4: what I've always wanted, and if it doesn't, I'm actually 241 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 4: going to sleep better anyway because I'm not going to 242 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 4: be scared about missing. She went out and won that, 243 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 4: and I think that's just what every player should aspire to. Like, 244 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 4: I want all the girls in my BJKT to watch 245 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 4: that last ten minutes and be like, Okay, like that 246 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 4: was unbelievable, but it's doable. It is actually doable to 247 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 4: do that. It's a decision that you can make and 248 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 4: kind of take it with both hands and go after it. 249 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know, I know that you hate talking 250 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: about yourself and you know the successes that you had, 251 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: but sort of take me through that maturation of sort 252 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: of what you went through losing the French Open final 253 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: and the things you learned, And is that the. 254 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 2: Feeling that you had also? 255 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: You and I have talked about it, but and we've 256 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: talked about it on the pod, But do you think 257 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: that you know the things that she would have learned 258 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: through that period of Yes, seven years is a long time, 259 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: but do you think that that last couple of games 260 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: were very similar to you? 261 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,119 Speaker 2: Like, I have to take this I can't. 262 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: Allow someone you know, arguably Sabolenka best player on hard 263 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: court for the last two or three years, and also 264 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: Serena being the greatest player of all time. 265 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: You have to take it. And that's what I like 266 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: to see. 267 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: But also just the clarity on her and the calmness 268 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: she had in the end, because that's always been her 269 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: bit of an achilles heel. 270 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: Oh for sure. 271 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 4: I think playing the likes of Sabolenka or Serena whatever, 272 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 4: they're not going to get into those moments and then 273 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 4: give you the match like they've been there, done that, 274 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 4: they know how to win. So if you want to win, 275 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 4: you actually have to win it. In my opinion, maybe 276 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 4: one out of whatever. You might get lucky and they'll 277 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 4: make somenth forced aerius and you know, not be out 278 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 4: to handle it, but you. 279 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 2: Have to go for it. 280 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 4: And I think, like, I don't know exactly obviously what 281 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 4: her experience was at the US Open final, but clearly 282 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 4: just handle it well. 283 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: No, But I'm saying like in the lead. 284 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 4: Up and all that, how she felt and whatever, she 285 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 4: didn't handle it well. And looking back on my French Open, 286 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 4: I feel like there was things that I definitely could 287 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 4: have done better and wish I'd done better, obviously, but 288 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 4: I also don't think I played as bad as what 289 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 4: I thought I did in the moment, and can look 290 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 4: at the actual match with a bit more clarity now. However, 291 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 4: in the lead up to the final, things were just 292 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 4: so different to any other match. All of a sudden, 293 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 4: you know you're doing There's more media, there's more attention, 294 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 4: there's more this. Oh my god, I'm playing my first 295 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 4: grandson final. I had paparazzi for the first time ever 296 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 4: in my life, following me leaving the restaurant the night 297 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 4: before my final, thinking what. 298 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: The hell is going on? 299 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 4: Like everything was different, and I'd never gone through that 300 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 4: moment before, neither had my coach, neither had my matcher. 301 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 4: None of us in my team had ever experienced what 302 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 4: that was, and so you know, not to say that 303 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 4: Skivone's team or anyone had either, but whatever the case, 304 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 4: she did it better on the day and deserved to win. 305 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 4: I thought I could have been a bit better, and 306 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 4: so I learned that then going into the US Open, 307 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 4: and obviously totally different circumstances and everything. 308 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: Nothing's always exactly the same, but we'd. 309 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 4: Had that experience as a team, and I'd had that 310 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 4: experience as an individual and being the player to say, 311 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 4: I don't want to feel like that again, and I'm 312 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 4: going to do a B and C and stick to 313 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 4: this and go out there and win the match on 314 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 4: my terms because I don't want. 315 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: To feel like I did at the French Trap. 316 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 4: I don't want to not be able to watch this 317 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 4: final for a year before I can handle. 318 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: It, you know. 319 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 4: And she said, you know, there's probably not many days 320 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 4: that went by between losing that. 321 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: Two am I going to get another chance and do that? 322 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 4: And so hats off to her for dealing with it, 323 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 4: getting the therapy, and then obviously there was those changes 324 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 4: that she made with a serve and racket, which I 325 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 4: think were absolutely huge, and then we can go into 326 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 4: that as well. But it's it's just a great thing 327 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 4: to see someone of her age and experience still feel 328 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 4: like there was something to learn and something to gain 329 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 4: from all of that. And then because I think everyone 330 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 4: in the tennis world probably thought, jeez, Matty Keys really 331 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 4: could win a Grand Slam. 332 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think we all agree now. 333 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 4: And that's always that's always such a hard thing to 334 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 4: deal with. Two when because potential is only potential and 335 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 4: an idea and a theory. It doesn't mean that anyone's 336 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 4: ever going to get it. You still need to go 337 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 4: and do the work and make it happen. 338 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 339 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I think you know, I give I didn't 340 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: give Petco enough credit last week, and frankly Maddie enough 341 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: credit when Petko said, look, we can talk about the racket, 342 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: we can talk about the changes as a serve. We 343 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: can talk about the fact that you know, beyond I 344 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: felt was probably going to be the most pivotal person 345 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: sitting on the side of a court for anyone in history, 346 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: because he was able to help her through those moments emotionally. 347 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: But Peko said, but everything she did was because she 348 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: wanted to do it, and she's the one had to 349 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: sell it, and she's the one that decided to change 350 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: the racket, and she's the one that decided in the 351 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: end to change the feet you know, on the serve, 352 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: and she's the one that decided to go to therapy 353 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: and make the changes in her life. And I think 354 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: that you know, in the end, Madison Keys has grown 355 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: exponentially in the last twelve months of dealing with that 356 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: pressure and also the set in five to three against 357 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: Sabolenka at the US Open. I was their courtside and 358 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: that was a complete debarcle. She completely fell apart and 359 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: Sabolanka played very well in the third set. But to 360 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: learn from all of those mistakes, you know, like you said, 361 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: you hope the girls that you're coaching now as the 362 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: captain of the Captain of the Billy Jean Kinkup can 363 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: learn that you can do those things in a later 364 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: age and make the choices. But also Petcko brought up 365 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: a really good point about Martin Kaimer. He used to 366 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: be number one golfer in the world, how he played 367 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: a certain way and to win the masses he had 368 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: to play a little bit differently, and how it completely 369 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: fucked up his career. So you can make the changes 370 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: and it can be really great, and you can make them. 371 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: And thins and go south. 372 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: So there's things that you even in life, are in sports. 373 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: You're making big choices there to make big changes. And 374 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: the fact that it worked out for her is this 375 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: testament to her like actually having the courage to do 376 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: that and the fortitude. 377 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: And I love that she says, I wanted it. 378 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: I wanted it really bad, but I didn't need it, 379 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 1: and that's super important. That doesn't mean that you don't 380 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: put in the hard work, That doesn't mean you're not 381 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: putting in the same hours, doesn't mean you don't want 382 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: it as much, but you don't need it a very 383 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: different feeling. 384 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, and just on that about her being the one 385 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 4: doing it, that's why you have people around you and 386 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 4: a team to help obviously make suggestions and work through 387 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 4: those things. But ultimately, if the player doesn't want to 388 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 4: do it, they're not going to do it, and it's 389 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 4: not going to work. And if you do it half 390 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 4: fast or not, you know, not wholeheartedly. It doesn't matter 391 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 4: what racket you're swinging or how you're serving technique wise, 392 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 4: if you don't fully believe in it. But she bought 393 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 4: in to the idea and stuck with it, and it, 394 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 4: you know, helped her in the biggest moment of her career. 395 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 4: So it's still up to her to follow through with that. 396 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 4: And also we're not talking about a technique on a 397 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 4: shot that was a bad shot either, Like, yeah, he 398 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 4: had a really good serve and there wasn't like if 399 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 4: people could have her serve, there'd be beny plays putting 400 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 4: their hand up saying yeah, sure, I'll have Matti Keysa sir. 401 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Ka would have won five Grand slams that she'd 402 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: maybe had her serf. 403 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: That's the thing. 404 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 4: So it was still actually a weapon of hers, but 405 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 4: she thought it could be better and obviously to try 406 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 4: and help the injuries and things that she carries in 407 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 4: the nigger and that along the way. 408 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 3: That obviously goes there. 409 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 4: But it's an element of risk there as well, because 410 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 4: if it doesn't work out or you can't stick to 411 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 4: it and you lose your rhythm and then other things happen, 412 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 4: especially on the serve, that can be really tough. 413 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: When it's actually a weapon of yours. 414 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 4: It's not like having a terrible shot where you're like, 415 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 4: well there's nothing to lose here because I can't bloody 416 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 4: hit it anyway. 417 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, she actually did so again to. 418 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 4: Do that at her level, her ranking, her time in 419 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 4: her career and everything. I just I really, yeah, give 420 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 4: her a lot and a lot of credit for doing it. 421 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, hats off, just really quick. 422 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: On Madison now not being able to play this tournament 423 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: at Austin because it's a two fifty. 424 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 2: How do you feel about that? 425 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: And we've talked about this after you won the US Open, 426 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 1: you said you probably should have taken a little bit 427 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: of time off just to adjust to all that. I mean, 428 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: she's been on Good Morning America. She's got all this 429 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: stuff going on, and I just wonder, I'm not sure 430 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: if she's pulled out of delha and Dubai or what 431 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: her schedule is going to change. If it's going to change, 432 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: because that's what her schedule was supposed to be, what 433 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: would you advise. And also not being able to play 434 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: this two fifty now because she's in the top ten, 435 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: what do you think about that he would have played. 436 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 3: That she was entered for that. 437 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, Look. 438 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: If I was her and could go back, I probably 439 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 4: wouldn't bother playing Doha if that's the next one, that 440 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: is the next one after Abu Dhabi. Just take some 441 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 4: time enjoy. Obviously it's been a whirlwind anyway. But actually, 442 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 4: now you're not going to win matches now just because 443 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 4: you won the Australian Open. 444 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't mean that you're. 445 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 4: Just gonna now carry on because you've got that title. 446 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 4: So you're still got to prepare, You still to be practice, 447 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 4: You're still got to do all the things that got 448 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 4: you to winning these strain. 449 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 3: Open and I think it realistically, there's not enough time 450 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 3: and just enjoy it. 451 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 4: Like I knows that she's going to win another Grand Slam, 452 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 4: so go home, She's done all the stuff. Now, Actually 453 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 4: just really enjoy it for yourself and the people that 454 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 4: you want to enjoy it with. I think before you, 455 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 4: you know, get back out there, because then you go 456 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 4: through it all again, like you're going to do media 457 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 4: and go through relive the Aussie Open all over again. 458 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 4: And you know, but which is great, and that's going 459 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 4: to happen no matter where you start. But actually just 460 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 4: feel prepared to put in the same way and so yeah, 461 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 4: I ditched, Oh I far was her? 462 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 3: Maybe even Dubai. 463 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 4: Depending on what you know, how you're feeling, you might 464 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 4: be really eager and super keen to get out there, 465 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 4: so which is great. 466 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 3: But I would just say just be ready to actually play. 467 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 4: And yeah, look the whole rules about top ten not 468 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 4: being able to play two fifties and all of that, 469 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 4: there's lots of ins and outs of those rules that 470 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 4: I don't quite understand, and I think it's a real 471 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 4: shame for some of those tournaments that they don't get 472 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 4: a player. I didn't also love when you could have 473 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 4: one top ten player at those events and it was 474 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 4: like the first one who entered. 475 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 3: Got in and that was it. And or last year 476 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 3: in Hong Kong. 477 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 4: Say when Emma Navarro lost early in Beijing and then 478 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 4: could take a wild card into a two fifty. See, 479 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 4: you're not really allowed to play. But now I'm going 480 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 4: to take a wild card into a two fifty. I 481 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 4: think that's ridiculous. So I think there's maybe little tweeks 482 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 4: of those rules that probably need to be adjusted. 483 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. 484 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: And also, you know you've got four Americans, four inside 485 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: the top ten right now is incredible. You've got Emma Navarro, 486 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: Jessica Bagoula, Coco and Madison. Why not keep promoting the 487 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: sport in America, which, let's face it, that's where a 488 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: lot of. 489 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: The dollars are. 490 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: You know, you could grow that tournament from a two 491 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: fifty or five hundred maybe and go into Indian wells. 492 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 2: There could be ways. 493 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: To move the I just just to me, it's shooting 494 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 1: yourself in the foot. If someone happens to enter the tournament, 495 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: I want to play there and happens to win the 496 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: Australian Open and get back inside the top ten. 497 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 4: Well lucky then, yeah, I agree, And it's it's kind 498 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 4: of like, okay, well great, those four players can play 499 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 4: those big mandatory thousands, but yeah, what about all the 500 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 4: other ones where you could be doing exactly what you've 501 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 4: just said and in your own market. That's where I'd 502 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 4: just like, if we had a top ten player and 503 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 4: they said you couldn't go and play in. 504 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 3: Hoeba, not Brisbane from five hundred or Hobart or. 505 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 4: Something, be like, are you kidding me right now? That 506 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 4: tournament could do amazing things with a player like that. So, 507 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 4: especially when it's from your own market, I think it's 508 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 4: there's something that doesn't work for me. 509 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 510 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: I think there was something with on Suberto wanting to 511 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: play a smaller tournament the Middle East and they wouldn't 512 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: because she was top tener. It's just like you're trying 513 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: to grow the market, Like, why are you stifling that situation? 514 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: It's crazy, especially Madison, who if she chooses not to 515 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: go to Doha and Dubai, that's a perfect place for 516 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: her to go and play before Indian well. 517 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 3: Before in the world in Miami. 518 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Anyway, news today, your thoughts on 519 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: Simona Hallett retire retiring. 520 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 2: I'm going to give my thoughts and I want yours. 521 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: I feel really badly for her that her career ended 522 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: the way it did, whether you believe her or not, 523 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: whether you think a team fucked up or not, whether 524 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: you think whatever the injury, it's just it's sad that 525 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: someone you know that. 526 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: Gave a lot to the sport. 527 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: You know, Look, she probably got tested more than anyone, 528 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: or just as much as any top ten player for 529 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: those periods that she was doing well and came back 530 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: clean every single time she won the French Open, when 531 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: she won, when woman, it just feels icky that it 532 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: had to end just like like that. 533 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 3: I totally agree. 534 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 4: I read it just a couple of hours ago and 535 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 4: I was like, she feel really sad for her because 536 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 4: it's just that's not the way you want to see 537 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 4: anyone go out. And I'm like, if she's innocent, I 538 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 4: feel really bad that it's come to this and now 539 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 4: it's done and it's finished the way it has and 540 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 4: it's just sad. 541 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 3: And if she's guilty, I don't feel quite so sad 542 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 3: for her. 543 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 4: Obviously, because I'm like, well, yeah, che did, but it's 544 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 4: still not a great way to you know, come out 545 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 4: because she, as you said, in her height and prime 546 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 4: and everything, it was all clean. 547 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 3: There was nothing, nothing to talk about. 548 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 4: There was never a problem, right, So yeah, I do 549 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 4: if she's innocent, I do feel really bad that it's 550 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 4: come to this, But losing. 551 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 3: Like one in one in your home. 552 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 4: Tournament and it was kind of oh, that's it. 553 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: It's sad. 554 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just look, you know, we both know her. 555 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 1: She's lovely, always been super nice to everyone. Like she's 556 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: pretty quiet girl, but you know, overall she was always 557 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: treated everyone pretty well. Obviously got a little bit closer 558 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: to her because of Darren Cahill's relationship. 559 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: With her, And I just remember some of the great 560 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 2: matches that she played. 561 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: You know, that match against Kerber at the Australian Open 562 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: goes down as one of the great matches I ever 563 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: sat courtside for at the Australian Open as a commentator. 564 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll never forget that one point that they 565 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: played with they both looped it up in the air. 566 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: It was about three and a half hours into the 567 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: match and they both stopped in the middle of the 568 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: point and literally took breaths. It was like, am I 569 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: actually seeing this, Like it was like a fifty ball 570 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: rally and they finally just hit a loop button. They 571 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: both just stood there, okay, and off where you go again. 572 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: And then of course the final with Ozniaku was incredible. 573 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: I think the US the Wimbledon match against a Serena 574 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: was like, it's the best match I ever single play. 575 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: And of course, you know her losing that match against 576 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: Ostapenko where she was up a set and three love, 577 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: that's a. 578 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: Much she will regret for her whole career. 579 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: You know, you played her many many, many times, great competitor, 580 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: and you know, as I said, it just feels really 581 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: sad that it finished the way it did. 582 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, absolutely, And like you said, whether you 583 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 4: believe her or don't believe her or whatever, it seems 584 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 4: like a very very complicated, you know, series of events 585 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 4: that have happened and decisions got made and everything else, 586 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 4: and it's really it's kind of been tough to watch 587 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 4: someone go through that and start playing and then not 588 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 4: play and then start again and not and yeah, now 589 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 4: it's now it's done. I just yeah, I hope that 590 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 4: you know, maybe now that she's okay, yeah, going to 591 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 4: not play anymore. 592 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 3: It's kind of get on with life. 593 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 4: And I would do exactly the same as her and 594 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 4: fight to the death if you're innocent about something like that. 595 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 3: I totally get it. I'd do exactly the same. 596 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 4: But it must be so draining and you know, just 597 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 4: awful to have to go through and obviously financially. 598 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, but whether that's. 599 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 4: As much of a toll is what the emotional toll 600 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 4: is if you believe you're innocent. 601 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 3: I don't know. 602 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well I think she made a big 603 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: mistake changing her team, and I think that, you know, 604 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: in the end she took she believed them, and. 605 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 3: Wort All points to that time, doesn't it. 606 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly does. 607 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: On a good note, petri Kevineva just announced she's coming 608 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: back after you know, the time away and. 609 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 2: Baby and all the stuff. 610 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 3: But as she said, we're at the first tournament's going 611 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 3: to be. 612 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: No, she has not, but she is, I would imagine 613 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: trying to get herself ready for the old grass courts. 614 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: That's probably where she's thinking about coming back. Just her 615 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: thoughts on Petra coming back and you know what that 616 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: must be. 617 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 3: Like for her, Yeah, Oh, how exciting. 618 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 4: Look, she was always such a great player, person, someone 619 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 4: that you wanted to have on tour and obviously you 620 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 4: know Grand Slam champion as well. So I think she 621 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 4: was it was kind of like, oh, I'm leaving, and 622 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 4: then he kind of hoped, Okay, well is she going 623 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 4: to come back? And I think you never know with 624 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 4: players obviously how they're going to respond and come back 625 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 4: if it's possible, if they even want to at that time, 626 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 4: once they have a child. So I think that the 627 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 4: fact that we're going to see Petro back out on 628 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 4: court again is fantastic. And again, anyone who can do 629 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 4: that and you know, come back to especially high level sport, 630 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 4: is just phenomenal. 631 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 3: Hats off because it's not easy. 632 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: The good news is Austin lost Maddie, but they bring 633 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: I just looked it up. They're getting petrick A Vitivas. 634 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: So that's a nice storyline. That's where she's making a comeback. 635 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: But I think what she's trying to get some matches 636 00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: under a belt and all that sort of stuff. But 637 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: I think her thought process is if I can get 638 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, six or seven tournaments under my belt before 639 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: the grass courts, I might you know. 640 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 2: Play pretty well. 641 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: There was also I mean she kind of looked like 642 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: the last year or two of her career that she 643 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: was just like, like just it was almost like she 644 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: had no impotence anymore. 645 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: She didn't really want to be out there. She looked 646 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: a little bit bored, a little bit it's. 647 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: A grind, and it looked like she'd hit a bit 648 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: of a wall. So I think maybe she's going to 649 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: come back with a very different perspective. 650 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 4: Maybe, yeah, a little refresher though it's probably not going 651 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 4: to be any more refreshed having a baby, but different 652 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 4: in a different way. 653 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, again, she's. 654 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 4: Been she'd been on tour for a long time and 655 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 4: been through a lot, and yeah, sometimes you know, maybe 656 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 4: having that break and time away in a good way. 657 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 4: Obviously it's not dealing with a major injury that you're 658 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 4: out and that's stressful in its own way, but a 659 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 4: really nice positive thing that's taken her away from the 660 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 4: sport to then be able to come back my just 661 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 4: make her that little. 662 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 3: Bit more hungry again. And you know, again everyone. 663 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 4: Says that they come back with a bit of a 664 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 4: different perspective and things don't seem so bad when they're 665 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 4: bad and whatever else, because there's something you know, slightly 666 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 4: more important than just whether you won that match. 667 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 3: You've got a little human to. 668 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 4: Take care of, So it's I think it's Yeah, it's 669 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,959 Speaker 4: exciting for tennis and obviously exciting for her. 670 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So we'll see. We'll see how it goes. 671 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: And some have been really great coming back. Some have 672 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: struggled a little bit more than others. 673 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 2: But we'll see. 674 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: It's just nice to have her back, give it another 675 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: shot for at least probably a year or two. 676 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 4: It must move so quickly, sorry, it moves so quickly. 677 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 4: If you are out of the sport for whatever reason 678 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 4: and you try and come back, it doesn't mean you're 679 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 4: going to get back to where you were. 680 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: And I think, like you just alluded to. 681 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 4: Some probably thought, oh, yeah, i'll be fine. I feel 682 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 4: just as good as what I did before. I'm hitting 683 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 4: the ball just as good in practice, and YadA YadA. 684 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 4: But you don't get the results straight away. And if 685 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 4: that doesn't happen straight away, sometimes that's another thing that 686 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 4: you have to deal with that maybe you never really 687 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 4: had to deal with before because you were just so good. 688 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 4: And I think that's where now looking back, seeing Serena 689 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 4: have those multiple times out four extended periods to then 690 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 4: come back and win the AO or. 691 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 3: Come back and do what she did. 692 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 4: Numerous times, you're like, WHOA, that's actually not normal, like 693 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 4: because there's been a few players now come back from 694 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 4: having children or being injured or whatever, and they're not 695 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 4: making semis the finals of Grand Slams again straight away. 696 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 3: So it's not easy. 697 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 4: Tennis moves so fast, and if you're not in it 698 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 4: sometimes it's hard to catch up. 699 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 3: But I hope this time, you know, she does well. 700 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: I guess in the end, she doesn't need to win 701 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: any Grand Slams to prove how great a player she 702 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: is and was, and so she'll be in the Hall 703 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: of Fame. 704 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 2: She's got to Wemblen titles. 705 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: She's achieved so much in her career, won so many tournaments. 706 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: So I think she's probably coming back to to say, 707 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: let me give it one more go and see because 708 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: you also loved the sport. I mean, look how long 709 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: you played as well, so as we've established twenty plus 710 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: years on tour. I don't know if you saw the 711 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: Davis Cup fiasco. Did you see the Davis cupiasco with 712 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: Bergs hitting? 713 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 2: All right, give me your thoughts on that situation. 714 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 3: I think. 715 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 4: I am like, Okay, firstly, how did he not see 716 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 4: what's his name playing green and Barren coming? And if 717 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 4: he didn't know it was him, it was still going 718 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 4: to be someone. So you just knocked someone out. So firstly, 719 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 4: I'm like, well, maybe you just need to give yourself 720 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 4: a little more space between the net and the umpires, Dan, 721 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 4: But at the same time, it was obviously completely unintentional 722 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 4: and just an act of the moment of what playing 723 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 4: for his country meant to him, and such as time 724 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 4: in the match at home, he's got the break, he's 725 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 4: about to see for the match, you know, all those 726 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 4: things just ultimate excitement. And then I have no doubt 727 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 4: it not Garren and obviously he was on the ground, 728 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 4: But to say I'm not going to play anymore and 729 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 4: do that, I'm like, come on, can. 730 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 3: We not get up and just finish the match? 731 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 2: Like? 732 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 3: But I don't know. 733 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 4: I was a bit like, yeah, I didn't love that, 734 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 4: but I'm not God like put yourself in his shoes too, 735 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 4: But it felt like to me he wanted the default 736 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 4: because he just lost serve and thought he was going 737 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 4: to lose the match. 738 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,760 Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with you one hundred percent. 739 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: I also agree, and I said it on x I 740 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: was like and on the social media, so I was like, 741 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: come on, Like, the guy was excited. We see it 742 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: all the time in tennis where people run to their 743 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: chair and they're trying to make a point, they're trying 744 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: to let the home crowd and get it in, and 745 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: he's excited. I also think that Geren could have slowed 746 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: down to let him go right, because you could. You know, 747 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: when your opponent's running, you see it. It's not like 748 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: you've got your head down and you're not looking. You 749 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: see the guy coming running. And how many times often 750 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: do you see that and you just kind of step 751 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: back and you're like, go ahead, douchebag, you just broke me, 752 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: f you kind of thing, you know. And he did it, 753 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: and he was like, nah, I'm going to keep walking. 754 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: And you see that Bergs tries to jump because the 755 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: umpires stands aren't like straight up and down. They often 756 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: have a little bit of a curve to them, you know, 757 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: so obviously the umpire has got a little bit of 758 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: balance under there. So I reckon, what's happened is he's 759 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: gone running and gone, on, shit, I'm getting pretty close 760 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: to Garen and I'm close to the umpire's chair and 761 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: I've got a better jump, so I get ahead of 762 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 1: him right and miss him and miss the chair because 763 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: he wouldn't have jumped if he thought he was going 764 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: to just run straight through it, right or run past it. 765 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: So he's probably trying to jump as you do. We've 766 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: all done it where you like walking by someone and 767 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 1: you just kind of get out of the way. 768 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 2: And he obviously just miss timed it a little bit. 769 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: But I also think garn could have stopped because he 770 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: would have seen him running, and I think he was 771 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: trying to make a bit of a mother fuck you, 772 00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: I'm not going to stop kind of thing and then 773 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: bang and happy And it was an unintentional, complete accident. 774 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: I've seen it millions of times that people have run 775 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: in front of me and I And you. 776 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 2: Think about if anyone doesn't know this, and you're not 777 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 2: old enough, go on YouTube. 778 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 5: Put in Arenaspurlea Venus williams Us open incident, okay, and 779 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 5: you're going to see the same kind of thing happened 780 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 5: when two players weren't giving up their position. 781 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: And they banged into each other and no one got 782 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: defaulted in the situation, no one. 783 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 2: Was like, oh what happened? 784 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: And it was it wasn't great and this was a 785 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: I called this a fiasco. I was like, what a fiasco? 786 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: This garrantee also like going on the. 787 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 2: Ground like I can't play anymore. I can't see. I mean, 788 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 2: come on, give me a break. 789 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 3: Wasn't that bad? 790 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: Sorry? 791 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 3: So then he got the time violations and then that's 792 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 3: what ultimately finished the match. Yeah, what rubber? Was that 793 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 3: actual tie? 794 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 2: Actually exciting match? 795 00:36:59,680 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 3: No? 796 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, actually, but I'm sure people will certainly 797 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: let me know once you know, you know, but they 798 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: should also know I'm half the time, I'm never prepared 799 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 1: for those answers. 800 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 2: But even still, it. 801 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: Was clearly a big It was clearly a big point, 802 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: and I think you're right he was like, I'm gonna 803 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: lose this match. The guy's going to serve it out. 804 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: But I would have been like, let's fucking go. I'm 805 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: going to break your ass right now, Like, what's. 806 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 4: The thing If you're going to get enough time violations 807 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 4: to then get point penalties to lose the match, well, 808 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 4: what was. 809 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 3: The last two and a half or three hours? Four? 810 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 3: If now you can't fight it out for the last game. 811 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, it's not like he elbowed in and 812 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,720 Speaker 1: the eye yeah, I yeah. 813 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 4: Again, it's just it'll probably never ever happen again. 814 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 3: And it's just one of those things where. 815 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 4: If you actually scripted it, you'd be like, Nah, that 816 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 4: can't happen. 817 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 3: That won't even work. That won't be the way it's 818 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 3: going to go down. 819 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: But people saying I should have been defaulted, I'm like, 820 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: come on, it was you know, we see things like 821 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: this all the time, you know, where things happen and 822 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,600 Speaker 1: dumb shit and you trip over. 823 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 3: Or you know whatever was con sense he can't I'm sorry. 824 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 4: Even if yes, obviously, if you hit a ball and 825 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,440 Speaker 4: it hits somebody on the court, it technically is an 826 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 4: automatic default. So if you hit someone, yeah, okay, but 827 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,919 Speaker 4: there's intent and not intent. And this is where I'm 828 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 4: glad common sense ruled. 829 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: To because he saw him coming and I'm sure he 830 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: anticipated that he would slow. 831 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 2: Down and let him go flying fine through. 832 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 4: But that's what I'm saying. So common sense prevailed to 833 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,240 Speaker 4: not default in that situation, just as common sense should 834 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 4: have prevailed for Carto not to be defaulted at the 835 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 4: French Open last year. Sorry two years ear now for 836 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 4: hitting that ball which was not hard, not intent for, 837 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 4: not anything, and she got defaulted because it happened to 838 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 4: hit the ball. Kit Like, if common sense could have 839 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 4: prevailed there, it would have saved a lot of heartache. 840 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 3: So I'm glad this time around it did. 841 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, anyway. 842 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: All right, well, Las Sam you Billy jin King captain, 843 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: La la la, all that sort of stuff. It's been fun, 844 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure, having to look after all the little ones 845 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 1: and the young ones coming up, yet enjoying it. 846 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 847 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 3: Absolutely, there's a I mean, we've got a bit of 848 00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 3: a mix. 849 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 4: We've got some older players and ones that I've played with, 850 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 4: so it's kind of in some ways funny now to 851 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,760 Speaker 4: be the captain and be like, well, I've played doubles 852 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 4: with you, and I played doubles with you, and I 853 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:40,439 Speaker 4: shared a coach with you, and now and obviously we've 854 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 4: got some younger players now trying to push to get 855 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 4: into the team as well. 856 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 3: So but no, it's been fun. It's been good. 857 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, good, All right, Well, I thank you for doing 858 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: this with me and so we can get it out 859 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: and I know people love to hear from you and 860 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: they love your perspective things, and I'm sure I'm going 861 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: to send this to Madison so she can hear from 862 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: you to not played dohat and Dubai and you've gotten 863 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: the okay from Samstoza. 864 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 3: I'm sure that I'll make all the difference. 865 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,080 Speaker 1: All right, mate, Well, I want to say thank you. 866 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: Don't hang up on me because I'm going to keep 867 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: talking to you for a second, but i'm going to 868 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: stop recording. And thanks for joining me today. And everybody 869 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:20,240 Speaker 1: remember like and subscribe and we'll hear from who knows 870 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 1: next week who knows. 871 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 3: All right, we'll see you guys,