WEBVTT - She Sent One (Imperfect) Cold Email… Now She Runs the Industry with Robin Arzón (Peloton) 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.840 No one has all the answers, but when we ask 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:10.680 the right questions, we get a little closer, closer to truths, 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:16.560 closer to each other, even closer to ourselves. I'm journalist 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:19.280 Danielle Robe, and each week, my guests and I come 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.800 together to challenge the status quo and our own ways 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:27.360 of thinking by daring to ask what if, why not? 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:33.480 And who says so? Come curious, dig deep, and join 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:41.000 the conversation. It's time to question everything. There's this general 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.120 piece of fitness philosophy that says you should move your 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.159 body at least once a day, even if just for 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:54.120 a few minutes. That momentum can build. Movement eventually makes 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.960 us stronger, and sometimes it becomes the thing that completely 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.560 re routes the direction of our lives. Today's guest built 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.319 a career and a movement around that IDEA peloton instructor, 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:09.360 ultra marathon runner, best selling author, and vice president of 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:14.760 fitness Programming, Robin Arzon has spent years motivating millions of 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:19.760 people to move their bodies. But before she became one 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.920 of the most recognizable faces in wellness, Robin was a 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.880 corporate lawyer at one of New York's top law firms. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.880 She was living a life that looked successful on paper, 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.600 but it didn't feel aligned internally, and after falling in 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:37.520 love with fitness, Robin refocused and entered her messy middle. 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.639 In that too year process, let's started as a blank 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:44.040 page started to crystallize, and ideas of what I wanted 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:45.959 my new career to look like, or at least what 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.200 I wanted to feel like in my new career. 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.880 From there, her life became all about movement, not just 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.080 movement as fitness, movement as. 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.320 Agency, especially as women. There's this way in which we 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:01.600 try to shape shift into the world, and I was like, 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.640 I want to create a world where it shape shifts 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:04.880 to me. 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.480 And speaking of shifting, Robin had a post it note 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.880 that lived on her bathroom mirror for years. It said 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:12.880 do epic shit. 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:13.720 Now. 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:15.480 By the time she finally peeled it off, it was 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.960 crusty and faded and barely legible. But by then she 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.600 didn't need it anymore because the note had done its job. Now. 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.639 I had to post it on my mirror once too, 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:28.640 four of them actually, And it was during a stretch 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.079 of my life when I was acutely depressed and lonely 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.920 and stuck and if you are a Day one listener 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.520 of this podcast, I've talked about that time before, and 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:39.160 if you want to hear about it, just go back 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.760 into the catalog of episodes. But the post that I 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.280 remember most was a quote from Oprah. It said, you 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:47.400 can't defeat someone who knows who they are. And I 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.040 wrote it because I was trying to become that kind 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:54.440 of person. I really wanted to be unshakable. And there's 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.760 something quietly profound about to post it on a mirror. 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:00.600 The bathroom is one of the only ps that we 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:04.440 look at ourselves with no audience, no makeup, no pretense, 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:09.959 just our actual face looking back. You see who you are, 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:12.720 and the post it is a reminder of who you 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:16.200 want to become. And I think our yearnings are evidence 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.280 of that. They're like little flags planted in our future 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:23.040 selves saying come get me. And I think that most 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.160 of us have versions of these little promises taped somewhere 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.720 in our lives. The dream that we mentioned once at 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.680 a dinner party and then never again, or the person 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.040 we swore we'd stop loving, the apology we never gave, 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.920 the boundary that we never got around to drawing, the 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.280 thing that we said we would do when life slowed down, 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:44.800 or maybe it's the goal we whispered to ourselves on 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.760 January first. We let them yellow, and we let them curl, 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.160 and we forget we ever made them. But Robin doesn't. 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.920 And that's what I really wanted to understand in this conversation, 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.920 not her resume, not the peloton instructor, or the ultra 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.000 marathon or or the book author, but Robin, the person 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.840 who actually does the thing she says she's going to do, 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.440 because I think it's tempting to look at someone like 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.440 her and assume that she's just wired differently than the 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:15.720 rest of us. But she's not. She built the wiring, 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.279 and the way she built it has very little to 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:22.880 do with motivation and almost everything to do with a small, unglamorous, 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.880 deeply un sexy practice of doing the thing when we 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:30.680 really don't feel like doing it. So together we are 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.599 digging into discipline and motherhood and burnout and wellness culture. 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.039 Her honest take on GLP ones, We talk about why 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.280 she replaced the word should with the word will, and 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.040 why she says no to almost everything in order to 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.240 protect her yes who. I also asked her about the 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.359 cold email that changed everything for her because you know, 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.919 I love a cold email. These are the kinds of 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:55.719 conversations Robin explores on her podcast Project Swagger, which she 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.520 describes as a transformation tool kit for people trying to 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:04.560 build more intentional lives. So today with Robin, we're circling 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.000 this question what happens when you stop trying to fit 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:11.440 yourself into the world and start building a life that 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:16.200 actually fits you. This episode is for everyone, but it's 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:20.240 also especially for anyone with a post it or a 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.960 metaphorical post it crewing on a mirror somewhere. I think 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.840 maybe today's the day that we peel it down, dust 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.440 it off, and see if it still has something to say. 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:38.239 It's time to question everything with Robin Ourzo. Okay, Robin, 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:42.360 I am personally very excited about this new podcast of yours. 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.240 We're going to get into it, but before we do, 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.360 I need to know about food and fuel. What did 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:48.240 you eat this morning? 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.200 What did I have this morning? Oh gosh, I was 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.320 out of the house early this morning, so I had 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:59.680 I pre packed last night, protein oatmeal, protein yogurt, dates, 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:06.360 a protein bagel with peebee fit and cheese seed and strawberry. Yeah. 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.560 That basically got me through like one PM. 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.240 I'm so impressed by that and also personally invested in 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.479 the amount of food you're eating because I am trying 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:16.719 so hard to eat more. 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:22.240 I eat like clockwork. Yeah, it's part of my full 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:22.760 time job. 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.280 So do you have anything that you eat that would 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:29.440 make a nutritionous nervous? Or you on the plan all 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:29.839 the time? 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:34.400 I love really, I mean I think I have fun 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:36.640 with food. I don't go out to eat very often. 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.120 I make ninety percent of my meals, so like, if 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.080 I'm out and I want to eat whatever I want, 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.320 I eat whatever I want. But I create kind of 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:49.080 like processes around that. So my male prep is actually priority, 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:53.480 and I really enjoy cooking for my family. So yeah, 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.640 I say to my kids there are sometimes foods and 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.760 all the time foods, and most of the time I'm 0:06:58.760 --> 0:06:59.920 eating all the time food. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:04.080 I love that. Will you operate in a world where 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:08.760 food is often talked about as fuel? But I know 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.320 that you come from a Puerto Rican and Cuban household, 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:16.120 and you know a lot of times in those beautiful cultures, 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:20.080 food is joy and celebration. How do you balance the 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.040 idea of food as fuel versus food for pleasure. 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.120 I don't think we have to choose. I don't choose. 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:33.360 I mean, I celebrate holidays with my family, and most 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:37.600 of the time I'm able to replace ingredients or swap 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:43.000 ingredients with the same flavors that I grew up with 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:47.400 that are joyful and connecting. And you know to the 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.640 extent that it's not that everything on our dish on 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.400 every holiday needs to be like focused on macros and 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.000 making you a better athlete. That's not realistic. But I 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.640 think that I don't think. I don't think we have 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:00.000 to choose. 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:06.720 I agree with you. So I watched Suits religiously. Did 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:08.880 you happen to watch that show? By any chance? 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.320 I did the first few seasons. My husband was obsessed, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.880 and he's even watched the sequel, like the La One. 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.720 Oh see that the sequel. I don't know if I 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.040 loved the sequel, So he must really love that show to. 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:24.560 Watch you really love it. It's like his comfort show. 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:27.119 It's like My Sex and the City. 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.080 I bring it up only to say that I was 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:35.040 reading that you were an attorney. You even passed the bar. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.360 You are the type of person that is so good 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:41.760 at everything you do. Were you a good attorney. I was. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.800 I was excellent. I practiced for eight years at one 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:45.080 of the top law firms in New York. 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.320 So I think there's a version of your life where 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.240 you stayed and were an attorney and were in the 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:55.880 real life suits, where you made partner and you did 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.720 that whole thing. What was the moment that you knew 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.480 that that version wasn't good to be you? 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.520 I started to fall in love so much with running 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.720 and lifting that it became evident to me that I 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.200 had to make a different plan. 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.840 Can you expand on that, because like, I love running 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:16.160 and lifting and I'm not having that inner feeling like 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:17.720 I got to change career paths. 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.720 Yeah, that's a really fair question. I think I was 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:27.800 also discovering the art of storytelling and connected with platforms 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:31.760 that storytell on a larger scale. And I had this 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:37.480 instinct that I was able to scale storytelling through movement, 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:40.960 and that was kind of when Peloton came into the picture. 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.320 Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Was there an 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:48.320 in between period for you where you decided to leave 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:52.000 law but before Peloton existed, or you just made the 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:53.160 leap right away. 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:55.679 I would say it was probably a two year process. 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.600 So tell me about that two year period. And I asked, 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.160 because is the women that listen to this show are 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:06.080 usually very career oriented, and I think that sort of 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:10.320 messy middle as we've colloquially branded it, is just such 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:11.360 an interesting time. 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.680 Yeah, I mean I it was something that I really 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.760 unpacked for myself through journaling, through setting a ten minute 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.520 calendar appointment a day where I forced myself to like 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.120 look at a blank page or look at a blank 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:30.480 email screen and craft something in that moment. So that 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.680 was really kind of like a I guess, like a 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:38.200 morning pages essentially for myself. And that in that two 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.959 year process, what started as a blank page started to 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.559 crystallize and ideas of what I wanted my new career 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.520 to look like, or at least what I wanted to 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:51.440 feel like in my new career. And it was really 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.720 messy and it felt directionless a lot of days, but 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:59.160 I was able to through running, through meditation, through journaling, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.599 really I did an audit of my life like I 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.520 did and I have I infused all of these questions 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.360 in this framework in my empowerment journal Welcome Hustler. That 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:14.280 was it was really unpacking my financial health, my physical health, 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:19.120 my spiritual health, and I answer these questions to kind 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.400 of look at, Okay, what can I leverage and what 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.920 do I have to work on? And that really helped 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.640 me at least create some type of framework around something 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.320 that felt like it was just filled with question marks. 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.560 How'd you figure out the right questions to ask yourself? 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:38.520 A lot of them came to me on runs I think. 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:40.880 I mean, obviously the name of this podcast right like 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:44.800 it's there are such an art to asking the right questions. 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.320 A lot of it in the beginning centered around how 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:53.600 I wanted to feel in my new working role, and 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.240 it was a lot of that for me was colored 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:03.880 with freedom, empowerment, an ability to use my voice in 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.800 the way that wasn't like there's this I think, especially 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.199 as women, there's this way in which we try to 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.360 shape shift into the world, and I was like, I 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.400 want to create a world where it shape shifts to me. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:20.160 So it was a lot of that. 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.559 Did you feel that at the law form, Yeah, for sure, 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:25.760 I felt like I had to. 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:27.800 There was a lot of code switching. It felt like 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.199 I had to and you know, we do have to 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.000 adapt to environments, especially in corporate culture. I'm not saying 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:38.560 that's necessarily a bad thing. But I felt like I 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.680 was boxed in and I thought I and I knew 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.520 I have feeling that I could serve the values that 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.680 I still that brought me into law and that I 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:53.160 still really value, such as community and raising up women 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:56.880 and and and you know, underrepresented communities. But I know, 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.080 I just do it with a very different toolkit. And 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:04.679 that became that risk of finding of a world building, 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.720 so to speak, became more important to me than the security. 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:13.240 I know that you're a big affirmations person. You have 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.640 a lot of these catchphrases that people all over the 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.720 world have used as inspiration. Now, is there one that 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.480 you were using during that time to sort of get 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.760 yourself to a place where you could fully believe in 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.000 the world that you were building. 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.840 Yeah. Actually I read it in a post it note 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.760 and it sat on my bathroom mirror for years, and 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.079 it was totally crusty. By the time. I was just like, girl, 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:36.760 I'll get rid of this. 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:37.240 Oh sit. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:42.120 It said do epic shit, And that was like, that's 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:46.080 the quality that everything had to have during that time. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.480 It had to feel epic, It had to feel expansive, 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:53.320 it had to feel like even the smaller moments had 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:57.160 to feel expansive, and I think expansion and freedom was 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.480 kind of the bumper sticker that I would feel that 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:04.040 I put on the feeling of that time, and that 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.880 became my north star. And now since then I've adapted 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.680 that right like I think it's important for our north 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.120 stars to be able to change and give ourselves permission 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.520 to change our minds and change the quality of the feeling. 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.800 But that was definitely the vibe. 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.320 Then what does the post it say? 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:21.520 Now? 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:22.400 I'm so curious. 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.840 Now it is more about I would say, I would 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:30.080 link to I still could ask myself the question why 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.640 not me? Often? That keeps me in a creative space, 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.120 that keeps me in a gold space. But I would say, 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:40.920 now I link that to what does a yes look like? 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.520 Because I say no to more things than I say 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.120 yes to, And if I'm saying yes, it's probably going 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.480 to take me away from my family, so it needs 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:51.200 to be the right yes. 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.240 I've actually I don't have a family yet, and I 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:57.000 have been pretending to have one when I make decisions 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.040 because I find it's the only way that I can 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:02.000 be discerning. So I love that you that you said 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:07.640 that you have this almost athletic relationship. It seems too 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.880 decision making, like you commit, you train, you execute, you repeat, 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.880 and you It seems from the outside you really don't 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:20.000 have to do anything. How do you orient your days 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.040 when things are still a fire drill? Because I know 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.880 you're a peloton, but you're also doing so many other 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:31.680 things as granular as you can get. I'm so curious 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:33.680 about how you schedule your life. 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.840 I mean, I schedule it in like fifteen minute increments. 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.080 I'm really ruthless with very long meetings. I very rarely 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.840 will commit to a sixty minute anything, especially without seeing 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.600 an agenda beforehand. I refuse to be in a meeting 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.320 where you're just going to read me a deck. Zero 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.760 chance I will be there. I know how to read. 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:57.120 So I think it is getting hopefully to a place 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.480 in our careers where we can edit those kind of 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:04.400 time wasters, or at least contribute to the conversation where 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:09.640 the agendas are robust and keeping the needle moving. I 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:11.800 have an amazing team. I don't do it all myself. 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:17.200 I delegate. One of my superpowers is decisiveness. I make 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:21.520 a decision and we go. I don't spin my wheels 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.240 for hours and hours. I don't text fifty friends about it. 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:27.800 I don't google and podcasts and read seventy five books. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.120 I go and I figure it out. And sometimes I'm like, oh, 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.040 I shouldn't have walked through that door. Let me walk 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:35.880 back out and walk through this door. And it's okay. 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:37.960 It's okay to make mistakes, it's okay to change your mind. 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.640 I am again ruthless with my no to protect my yes. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.640 I think if it's not something I want to do 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:49.120 that day, I'm probably not going to want to do 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.400 it in three weeks or three months, so it's just 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.400 a no, thank you. And that applies to social engagements 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:54.800 as well. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:56.400 I really like that. 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:58.960 Yeah, like you know, you get the invite and you're like, 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.920 I know I should think that's cool, but I really 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.720 don't want to do it even today or tomorrow. You're 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:07.919 gonna be just as tired in three months probably, so 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.720 it's like it's just probably a no, not right now, 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:11.320 no thanks. 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.440 I know there are very cool opportunities or they're really 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.040 meaningful opportunities, or it's the charity event, or it's that 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:18.560 you know, and it's like stuff that you're like, I 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:22.280 know I should, but we are we should ourselves out 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:23.200 of optimization. 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.720 H wow, we should ourselves out of optimization? When did 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:28.879 you figure that out? Robin? 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:34.000 The should detox is something that I applied to myself 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.960 when I was in that period moving from law to wellness. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:44.480 And you replaced should with will and a reason. So 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:48.639 instead of like I should work out, I will because 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:53.120 my kids deserve me fully energized. I will work out 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.760 because I'm starting a business and I need to be 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.680 in my best physical health. So that has very different 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:03.239 energy and it provides specificity that leads to action, and like, 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.440 I'm all about action. I think you know the analogy 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:10.639 that I am a corporate athlete. I run businesses and 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.160 I treat my body and my home like a business. 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.200 And I think that there's a really they're really really 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:20.080 complimentary skill sets. And most of the leaders, if not 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.119 all of them that I admire, are also athletes. 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:41.800 What do you think the dedication of an athlete to 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.040 their body, like, how does that transfer over? There's all 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.480 these statistics that I can imagine you know about female 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:54.960 CEOs previously being athletes, specifically being on team athletics. If 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.919 you had to describe what that actually is internally, what 0:18:58.119 --> 0:18:58.400 is it. 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.359 I mean, I think we are self talk ninjas. You 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.600 have an ability to talk to yourself when it's hard 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:08.440 and get you out of that place. Doing something when 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:12.120 you don't feel like it is one of the most 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.440 important skills we will ever develop. Like most of the time, 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.920 you're not going to feel like it, and guess what, 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:24.040 like nobody cares, like keep going. And I don't say 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:29.119 that to be harsh, but it's like, babe, let's go. 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:31.120 Like you're looking for a pity party. It ain't here. 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:33.600 It's not. 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:39.080 H And I do believe that that athletics teaches you 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.800 to ask for what you need. I think that that's 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.320 also evolving, right, So it's not just like run yourself 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.879 into the ground and who cares about feelings? But it 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:51.160 is taking an expansive view of like let me touch base. 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:52.960 Like I am in tune with my emotions and my 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.880 body twenty four hours a day, and I know when 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.080 the needle's moving in the wrong direction and I'm like, oh, 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.680 I was short of my kids, or I'm in right now, 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.719 or I'm feeling like you know that anxiety creep up. 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.639 It's like that awareness. I actually think athletes are hyper 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.760 attuned to and now it's about developing the skill set 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:12.359 of like, Okay, where do I go from there? Like 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.760 is it a therapy session, is it breath work? Is 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:16.760 it like going to sleep an hour earlier? You know, 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:18.960 these are little things that we can that we can 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.440 pull on that lever and know, you know, we've got 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:25.159 a toolkit that will support our health physically and mentally. 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:30.120 Robin, how are you giving your children that mindset and 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.680 honoring their feelings at the same time, because like gen 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:36.480 Z does not want to do things that they don't 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.280 want to do. And I know I'm I'm I'm making 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.359 big broad strokes, but I'm so curious how you're honoring 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:45.119 your children's feelings and giving them that. 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.840 Yeah, that's really interesting. I mean I think our literacy 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:54.080 around EQ and are around our even our ability to 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:56.439 like talk about feelings is amazing. Like I wish I 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.760 had that toolkit as a kid. So I think it 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:04.880 is just that it's literally literacy around like naming feelings, understanding, 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.280 like naming for them. Ooh, that's frustration, Ooh that's jealousy, 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.840 like this is and then then as they have more vocabulary, 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:15.400 they're gonna be like actually it's this not that because 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:17.840 I have very young kids that they're five and two, 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:20.800 and it's an interesting mix in my household of like 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.359 the gentle parenting of like, oh okay, I honor that 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:25.280 you're feeling like that way, but two things can be 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:28.439 true and like that might make you very frustrated that 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.199 it's time to go to school, but it's school, and 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:36.199 that's it this whole like not doing things when you 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:38.960 don't feel like it, Like good luck to that generation, 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:45.760 because that's not how the world runs period. Like life 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.520 will be hard and we have to have the resilience 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:52.600 in the capacity to hold space for our feelings. But 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.840 sometimes our feelings are liars and what is true is 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.720 the ability to get up again and do something about it. 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:03.520 I do admire the ability to say, like I need 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:05.720 space right now, like I need to distance myself from 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:08.080 something that is harmful for me. Like I think that 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:12.520 is a very admirable quality. But you can't live in 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:15.320 that place. You can't live in that cave, you can't 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:20.560 live on the bedrock TikTok world, Like that's just not reality. 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.320 So unless you're dropping back in to anchor yourself in 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:28.200 something that is momentum filled, I just don't have any 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:28.840 respect for it. 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:33.320 I really fully agree Robin, and I think it's actually 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:36.080 an unpopular opinion that we both hold. But I'm with you. 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:39.800