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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I almost famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with our radio. Hey Ashley, we're not together today? Yeah

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Speaker 1: we are a separate again. Can you come back here?

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Speaker 1: I would love to, um, But unfortunately to everybody out there,

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Speaker 1: if I sound a little different, I am stuck at work.

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Speaker 1: Uh So I could not make it to the studio today.

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Speaker 1: on a great week of conversation in between. Ashley and

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for this podcast. We have a lot to

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Speaker 1: talk about so much because of course we have to

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Speaker 1: update you guys on paradise. But before that, we have

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Speaker 1: a caller we do. Sarah from Pittsburgh has listened to

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Speaker 1: Ashley and I give dating advice before. So Sarah, what's

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Speaker 1: your dating issue? Hi guys? So I um was casually

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Speaker 1: dating a guy for about six months and about two

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Speaker 1: hang out like we used to, I just was like, hey,

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Speaker 1: and his response was, Um, you know, I'm really busy

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Speaker 1: with work and don't want a relationship and we're really

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Speaker 1: not a good fit, so it's nothing personal. And I

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Speaker 1: He pursued me, Um, you know we were exclusive and

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Speaker 1: am I is he just kind of being a jerk? Um?

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Speaker 1: want obviously someone to sympathize with me a little bit. Actually, yeah,

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Speaker 1: my advice would be don't date him anymore poking at

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Speaker 1: all since that obviously, but um, you know, my my

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Speaker 1: kind of approach him to get that out of his mouth.

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Speaker 1: And I don't like that. I think people break up.

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Speaker 1: It's unfortunate. It's never it's never easy, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not everybody is compatible. Uh, but but what is true.

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Speaker 1: We each deserve to know where the other person stands,

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Speaker 1: I'm just not feeling this, which is a totally okay thing,

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Speaker 1: forward from away from and pushing away. There's nothing wrong

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Speaker 1: who has a very special question for my co host Ashley. Hello, Hey, hi, Hi,

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Speaker 1: oh my god. Okay, actually I'm a big, big fan.

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Speaker 1: Then I'm a big fan of you as well, but asked,

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Speaker 1: So cool. Um, so I know that you had a

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Speaker 1: I never say yes, you can do this. Yeah, it's weird.

428
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: It's a relatively new law in California. Um. But on

429
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 1: this season of The Bachelor at for example, Fred asked

430
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 1: Rachel if he could kiss her and her response was,

431
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, nobody's ever asked me that before. They

432
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 1: just do it, um. And it doesn't have to be

433
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: from my understanding of a law, it doesn't have to

434
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: be a verbal yes. Um. It could be a nod,

435
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: a smile or whatever. But you've got to try to

436
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 1: find out whether or not. What you're doing is welcome.

437
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: M hm. So I guess just to to kind of

438
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: clean things up here because I'm listening to if you

439
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: talk and it's it's great and I'm learning a ton.

440
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot actually, and it's my my My

441
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: question is who exactly would either party then if they

442
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: both could be victims of assault, if we're if we're

443
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: saying that that is a possible UM conclusion that we're

444
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,479
Speaker 1: going to come to here in this case, who then

445
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: exactly is UM who do they have a case against.

446
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: Do they actually then have a case against Warner Brothers

447
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: in ABC, or do they just have a case against

448
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: each other? And that's where things are really complicated because

449
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: we don't know because these contracts are are so all

450
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: encumbering and a lot of it is going to come

451
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: down to UM the specific wording of the contract. And

452
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: the closest we've come to getting an answer on this

453
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 1: topic happened a couple of years ago with one of

454
00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: the Real World road Rules Challenge series UM. One of

455
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: the contestants says she was sexually assaulted, and she sued

456
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: the production company and MTV UM and she argued that

457
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: she was an employee and therefore they owed her a

458
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: duty of responsibility to make sure she was safe. Um.

459
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: And they obviously disagreed with her, but they reached a

460
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: settlement before the court made any decisions on the matter.

461
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: So I would imagine that those same questions would be

462
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: raised here if this does in fact go to court. Okay,

463
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: I have to say that, as the contract says, by

464
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: going to Paradise, you could be risking death and you

465
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: have to sign that you're okay with this, So I'm

466
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: figuring it has to cover what's gone down there. Um. Theoretically, yes,

467
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: ABC Warner, they have the best lawyer's money can buy.

468
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: But there are some things you can't contract. To paraphrase

469
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: one of the attorneys I spoke to, you can't entrect

470
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: criminal activity. So if something illegal happens on your watch

471
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: and these people are in your care, because this is

472
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: not a typical employer employee relationship. You know, you don't

473
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: generally live at your office and eat food and drink

474
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: booze that is given to you by your bosses. So

475
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: there are a lot of complicating factors here. But I

476
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: would imagine that the lawyers would be arguing that what

477
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: happened here falls outside the scope of the contract. So basically,

478
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: if I want bungee jumping on a date in Paradise

479
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: and died, well that's in the contract. But this is

480
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: not covered. Yeah unless a producer, you know, I didn't

481
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: hook up your bungee properly, like, unless there was some

482
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: kind of negligence on the part of this show. Yeah,

483
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: this is supposed to be paradise. Almost sounds funny to

484
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: think of a death waiver being signed to go to Paradise,

485
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: But um, I guess that's the case. And this is uh,

486
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: you know, this is obviously actually something that is is

487
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: super um heavy. You know, I'm just sitting here right

488
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: now listening to this is almost as an observer and

489
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: just say, man, this is this is pulling out my

490
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: heart a lot for a lot of different reasons. This

491
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: is obviously. Um. There are rumors we still don't know,

492
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: um and correct me if I'm wrong. There still has

493
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: not been a suit filed, and so we still don't

494
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: know what the claims will be. Where we have rumors

495
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: of what the claims will be. UM, we do know

496
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: that Karnis came out and said she is a victim,

497
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: and and Tomorrow has not came out and said anything yet. UM.

498
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: But either way, there is a lot of heaviness and

499
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: a lot of sadness involved in this situation. And I

500
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: think all we can ask for, UM from from the

501
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,479
Speaker 1: public's point of view, and then also for the people involved, UM,

502
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: including as we know right now Karnnin tomorrow, that that

503
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: the truth is told, UM, that they come to a

504
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: resolution UM that might not fix a situation, but at

505
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: least allows that the all parties involved to walk away

506
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: feeling like UM. There is hopefully forgiveness, I guess, because

507
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: that's all we can ask for in life, right like

508
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: mistakes are gonna be made. This one might be super heavy,

509
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: and I you know, I can't even speak on it really,

510
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: but I hope that through all of this that the

511
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: truth is told and then UM, forgiveness is able to

512
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: be had, because that's the important thing here. UM. Ashley

513
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: Collins from the staff reporter for The Hollywood Reporter, thank

514
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: you for coming on. This was incredibly compelling to me,

515
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: especially to hear you and Ashley talk about this and UH,

516
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: and I hope to to get you back on the

517
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: phone again soon if you're okay with it, to kind

518
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: of hear updates as this goes on, absolutely, thank you

519
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: for having me. Thank you. Actually it was great. It's

520
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: a little heavy, Ashley, very heavy. I I honestly don't

521
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: even know kind of how to move on from that.

522
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: You did and you asked some great questions and some

523
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: questions you know, some of the things that kind of

524
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: stand out to me that I wrote down that were

525
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,719
Speaker 1: important to to know. What was that? You know, because

526
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: of the situation, Um, you know, both people could be

527
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: victims here, right, I mean we don't know. We don't

528
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: know what the out of scenario played out or um,

529
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: what exactly went down. We don't have the footage, but

530
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: it's interesting to think that both people could arguably be

531
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: victims in this case. UM. And it will be to

532
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: me where we will try to continue to track down

533
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: information to figure out exactly what went on, and part

534
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: of that will be continuing to speak to people like

535
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: Sam Rubin, the entertainment entertainment reporter from k l A

536
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: Channel five in Los Angeles. Um, Sam, I know that

537
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: that you have have kind of studied this case a

538
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: little bit, Um, and you have you have a perspective

539
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: that others might not have and and actually I want

540
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: to hear what exactly is that. My perspective is this

541
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: is extraordinarily damning for the show. And I think this, uh,

542
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't think you'll see Bachelor in Paradise on television

543
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: basically ever again. And I think it pretends uh tremendous

544
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: problems for the Bachelor in general. And and here's the dilemma,

545
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: and I mean, you guys have lived it. Uh. There

546
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: there's a distinction between the way we in the general

547
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: public see this kind of you know, fantasy show and

548
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: what really goes on. And so you tell me, are

549
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: we better served by just enjoying the show in our

550
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: homes as we do. I don't think we want to

551
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: know too much. I don't think we really want to

552
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: know all the behind the scenes machinations. And so, you know,

553
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: some sort of Bachelor and Paradise trial that would reveal

554
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: all that I think would be very damn it all

555
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: the way around. So for my senses, you're going to

556
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: see a very big check written to Kareem, a very

557
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: big check written to this other sub the Mario Mario

558
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: uh and and a significant effort on Warner Brothers parts

559
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: to frankly have conversations like we're happing right now not

560
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: take place because this is this is basically all that well,

561
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,959
Speaker 1: I actually want to clarify from my own perspective personally,

562
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: is that Paradise has this vision of being like raunchy

563
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: now and then it's just like this, this horrible sexual

564
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: assault goes down and like, oh my gosh, they hiding

565
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: this from us every season and in my two seasons,

566
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: I'd say absolutely not. The only people that I've known

567
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: who have um had sex on the resort are people

568
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: that really get engaged at the end of it. It's

569
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: really pretty innocent. It's pretty innocent. Um, there's not drunk people.

570
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: We're not running around, we're not being sloppy. We're literally

571
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: just sitting around the picnic tables talking. You know, we

572
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: mightbe be like have enjoying a couple, but it's it's

573
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: nothing salacious. They're not hiding any thing from you out

574
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: usually okay, well I think, or usually stands out a

575
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: little bit. And then and then one other thing is

576
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: and agatin You guys would know better than I do

577
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: the whole thing, you know, spontaneously and genuinely unfold, or

578
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: does somebody say, hey, actually, you know Bob over there

579
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: likes you. You might want to pay some attention to

580
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think, and I've I've worked on a

581
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: bunch of TV shows. I think there's probably you know,

582
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: a lot of these subtle or not so subtle manipulation.

583
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: And that's fine, that's that's the world of television production.

584
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: And you know, in terms of reality shows that that

585
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: happens on Survivor and every other show too. But again,

586
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: I don't think the general public wants to know that

587
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: or wants to see it. And if you had some big,

588
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: massive Bachelor and Paradise trial, all that would be laid there,

589
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: and I think the overal industry and the the Bachelor

590
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: nation first and foremost would not want to have that happen. Definitely.

591
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, and Ashley, you know, I've Sam,

592
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm just going to join you this conversation here. Um,

593
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: I've never been to Paradise. I I don't know anything

594
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: about it. I don't know the format of it. I

595
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: don't know the scene that it that it presents. Um. So, actually,

596
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: as I'm hearing you talk here, you're saying this could

597
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: be just a one off scenario, right, this this claim

598
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: that the claims that are being made or the whatever,

599
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: the rumors that we're hearing because we still don't I

600
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: want to be clear, we still don't have a suit filed,

601
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: so we don't know exactly uh the claim that will

602
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,399
Speaker 1: be made, but we do have rumors which I don't

603
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: want to spread any further. But what you're saying is,

604
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: in this situation, it is something that seems to be

605
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: one off, or it seems to be something that maybe

606
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: cook a step farther than seasons that you've participated in

607
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: the past. I think the only other time we saw

608
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: an instance that could be even compared to this was

609
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: with Chat and Lace last season, on the first episode

610
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: of that season, and I wasn't there for it, and

611
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: I know it was dramatic and that Chad was more

612
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: so like saying hurtful things and doing hurtful things. Um,

613
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: but I being in Paradise for a good chunk of

614
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: both the past two seasons, never saw any unette against

615
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: like this going down. I'm telling it was like, all

616
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 1: this very calm. We're just a lot of mature people

617
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: looking for love. Well, I mean, I think that's all

618
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: well and good. I think there's a you know, terrific,

619
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: uh fantasy element to it. Would see the sure good

620
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: looking people uh, looking for love. But but you know

621
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: the other thing in terms of with regards to to lossuits,

622
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it necessarily will ever be a lawsuit.

623
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: I think this will all get settled. That the lawyer

624
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: that Karin hired and this, you know, she might have

625
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: a smart family or smart handlers. This guy is one

626
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: of Hollywood's most notorious bulldogs. His name is Marty Singer.

627
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,959
Speaker 1: You can google the name of anybody in town knows

628
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: Marty Singer. And you don't hire Marty Singer. You know,

629
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: if if you want, if you know, if you're gonna

630
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: take a small check and go home. So you know,

631
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: I think that I tell you what, in a weird way, Uh,

632
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: this whole thing reminds me of is the whole thing

633
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: with Billy Bush when the Access Hollywood tape came out.

634
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: So you know what that was just an unpleasant, yucky

635
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: and and they just want more than anything, uh just

636
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,439
Speaker 1: make him go away. And so uh and I think

637
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: he wasn't frankly treated fairly, but I'm quite confidant he

638
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: was given a very generous settlement, uh to go away.

639
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: And I think I think they want this to go away.

640
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: So well, we'll see what happens. All right, Well, Sam

641
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Speaker 1: Reuben the entertainment reporter for k TIL Channel five in

642
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. You can also follow him uh Sam on

643
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: TV on Twitter. UM, Sam, thank you for joining us today.

644
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: Thank you for your perspective on this UM. Ashley and

645
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: I are going to dissect this here uh and try

646
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: to kind of just make sense of a situation that

647
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: right now, UM is just starting to come together. So Sam,

648
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: thank you again for joining the almost famous podcast with

649
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: Ashley and I. All right, very good, let's to talk

650
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: to you guys, UM Actley. You know, I think you

651
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: know we've talked about it UM to an extent. Now

652
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: through this podcast, we have more information than we did

653
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: last week. We're making sense of a situation that doesn't

654
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: didn't make any sense last week and is starting to

655
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: make more sense now we have names, Uh, we have

656
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: an idea of how this is gonna play out, considering

657
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: we've had all three UM guests of our say, you know,

658
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: the Smarty singer, he's he's a bulldog, he's going to

659
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: go after it. He This isn't just gonna be easy.

660
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: And so let's try to move on now, UM to

661
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: another show within this franchise. One that is has taken

662
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: a week off. UM. Last week because of the NBA Finals,

663
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: took a week off. But this week the Bachelorette is back.

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Speaker 1: And I want to ask you before we get into

665
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: to talk about the episode. Did you watch this week's episode,

666
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: UM in a different way considering the situation that's going

667
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: on in Paradise. To be honest, probably not. I actually

668
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: can up with them pretty well, and I wasn't sure

669
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: if I was going to be able to. But I

670
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: think now that the Mario is no longer on the show,

671
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: there's nobody there to remind you of what's going on

672
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: in Paradise. Fair, That's fair, you know, I think I

673
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: just think any Bachelor franchise right now, in my mind,

674
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: is going to be effective. I'm affected. I'm almost watching

675
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: this UM just for my sentence saying, Okay, there's so

676
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: many people that are working on this show, UM, we're

677
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: working on the Bachelorette, UM that are probably UM. I

678
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's not giving as much attention

679
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 1: in detail to the Bachelorette as they originally probably wore

680
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: because or because of this situation in Paradise, But watching

681
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: the show itself, you know, you and I both know

682
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 1: the Bachelorette has already filmed. You know, the results already done.

683
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: The results were done before Paradise was was even starting

684
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: the film. And so I'm gonna watch the Bachelorette in

685
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 1: a way that I did initially. And that's the hope, UM,

686
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: that a really great person Rachel Atte is find somebody

687
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: that she can spend a lifetime within the show. I'd

688
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: love to be a part of that. Um, we got

689
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: to talk about one guy coming up here, UM that

690
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: I think Rachel and this guy would be great for

691
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: each other. The guy's name is Dean and he came

692
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: out of nowhere this week and it's his party, UM

693
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: to shine. So coming up we'll talk about Dean, Ben

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Speaker 1: and Ashley. I Almost Famous podcast is brought to you

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699
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: this week is is pretty tame, I'd say compared to

700
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: last week. There's three things that stood out to me

701
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: and I want to hear your thoughts on it. Ashley.

702
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: I believe that this week we could title the Bachelorette

703
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: episode Dean's coming out party thoughts. Oh my gosh, Dean,

704
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: he is the freaking cutest and yes, I think he

705
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: emerges as one of the front runners after his one

706
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: on one date. Yeah, I mean for anybody watching, Dean

707
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: opened up about his his history and just kind of

708
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Speaker 1: his life story. His life story um was something that

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Speaker 1: I I found um of course, for lack of a

710
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: better word, touching, um, but he did it. He communicated

711
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: in a way that I felt was extremely genuine, and

712
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: he wasn't looking for sympathy. He was just looking to

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00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: communicate with Rachel his story because he You know, you

714
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: and I both know from our experience on the show,

715
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Speaker 1: you don't know how much more time you have left,

716
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Speaker 1: and so the quicker you can kind of share who

717
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: you are as a person and what brought you to

718
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: where you are today, the better you are. I completely

719
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: agree with you. There's always a SOB story or two

720
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Speaker 1: each season, but I've really never cried at those stories.

721
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: I actually usually cried during the final rowd ceremony when

722
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: they get engaged. I have like those happy tears, But

723
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: with with Dean, that was the first time I really

724
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: cried listening to somebody's story. Yeah, and I think I

725
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: think it just shows that that guy right there has

726
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: some character and it's not all you know, he has

727
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: character because of the man he is and also the

728
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: story that he has to tell. And so this we

729
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: are excited, I know we both are about Dean in

730
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: the near future. Um. But two topics that I'm not

731
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,959
Speaker 1: that excited about. Two things that rubbed me the wrong

732
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Speaker 1: way this week. Okay, one the first Lee definitely did,

733
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Speaker 1: but no, the first one is Josiah talking in third person. Okay,

734
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Speaker 1: so you hear this a lot right in just life,

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Speaker 1: and it's one of my pet peeves. I don't know

736
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: if it's yours, but when people talk in third person,

737
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: it shows a level of arrogance I don't handle. Well, yeah,

738
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Speaker 1: I didn't chat used to do that. I'm assuming I

739
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: didn't really watch Jojr's season as much as probably others. Um,

740
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm sure he said something along the lines

741
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: of Chad eats me or you know, Chad like girl. Um.

742
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: That was one thing that sit out to me. The

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00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: second thing is, um, something that comes up every season

744
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: of the Bachelor, Bachelor at and I don't understand it.

745
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't know how there continues

746
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 1: to be the same thing played out, but it happens.

747
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: It happens on my season The Bachelorette Um with Caitlin,

748
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: it happened on your season of the Bachelor, with Chris

749
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: Iggy being the biggy being the Wrong Reasons Police. He

750
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: continues to spend his time talking to Rachel about other guys.

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00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. Where did that come from? Ashley?

752
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I think the people that tend

753
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: to be the the Wrong Reasons Police are people that

754
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: feel like they have nothing else to talk to you

755
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: the lead about. Yeah, there may be some insecurities on

756
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: their own part. I think that's always been told to

757
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: me is when people communicate in a negative behavior, it's

758
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: usually how they feel about themselves. So maybe he just

759
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: doesn't know enough about himself yet to communicate who he

760
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: is to Rachel and really show her this is who

761
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: I am. I don't really care who these other guys are.

762
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: They're going to be who they want to be to you.

763
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: But I'm going to be the man that I believe

764
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: I should be in this moment, right and Iggy unlikely

765
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: is just being self aware and he actually is like, Oh,

766
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm starting drama because I want to. I want to

767
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: create drama. But then Aggy, he's like really trying to

768
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: get himself in the middle of it because I feel

769
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 1: like he feels like he serves no other purpose there. Yeah,

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00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: you know, speaking of Lee, you brought him up. We

771
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: have to talk about him. Um. You know we we

772
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: want to stay away from bad mouthing people. Um during

773
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: this podcast, that's not something we want to do. But

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00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: the Bachelor and Bachelor I just seemed to offer us

775
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: that opportunity. All I was like, good, we can't be

776
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: that good. So so we have Lee here, right. We

777
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: talked about him a little bit last week. I was

778
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: hoping this week he redeems himself. If anything, I believe

779
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: he got worse. Um. And as I said last week,

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00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time I actually watching this show,

781
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: and I admitted I'm becoming a fan because of him.

782
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm getting angry and I'm I'm feeling things inside of

783
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: myself that that aren't healthy to feel, like anger and

784
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: frustration and anxiety. Actually you're feeling the same thing, yes,

785
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: And you know I was listening to our other podcasts

786
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 1: yesterday and you were saying that that's a trait that

787
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: both of us don't really have. Like I feel a

788
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: lot of feelings. People know this, but I never really

789
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: feel anger. And this man Lee brings it out in me.

790
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: He does, and it's not healthy, it's not good. I

791
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: hope Rachel figures it out. UM. So far it shows,

792
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, just starting to now she's seeing the signs.

793
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: It looks like that, hey, this league guy seems to

794
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: have some some issues or you know, this this league

795
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: guy isn't exactly the type of person that I am

796
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: going to be with long term. The problem in these

797
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: situations that happened with The Bachelor Bachelotte is when a

798
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: guy like that comes into play, it oftentimes UM hurts

799
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: another suitor UM. And you can see it starting to

800
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: happen with Kenny, right. Kenny is starting to be pulled

801
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: into this and he's a nice guy and I think

802
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: he's just getting lost in the moment where he doesn't

803
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: know how to handle this lea situation. He targeted Eric

804
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: last week and now he's going after sweetheart Kenny. And

805
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: you know what my favorite thing was was when Kenny

806
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: looked at Lee and he goes, Lee, You're a little bitch.

807
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: It was so good. It's a bleeped out, of course,

808
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 1: but it's great it is. It is bleeped out as

809
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: it should be. This is um Family Television. Um, as

810
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: we heard from Mike earlier, fourteen year old girls, I

811
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: listening to this so um. So there's the storylines that

812
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: play out for Ashly night right. So we have um Lee,

813
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: who we hope goes we we don't really one of

814
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: them around. It's it's not We're not going to miss

815
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: him at all. Um. We have Josiah who continues to

816
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: talk in third person, and we believe that Dean is

817
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: on his way to the very very top. And you

818
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: guys out there better start getting used to Dean. He's

819
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: going to be around a while. Oh yeah, Bachelor material there.

820
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast

821
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Speaker 1: with her radio. We have Delayne on the line from Ottawa, Canada.

822
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: Hey Delane, what's question? Hi? Okay? So I always tell

823
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: people how much I love the Bachelor franchise and how

824
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: I'd love to be a part of it, but I

825
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: always get such a negative response. But I just want

826
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: to know why you guys think that the process is

827
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: actually genuine and that finding true love in this type

828
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: environment is possible. Well, for me, it's been so cool

829
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: because both of my Paradise seasons, I have seen my

830
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: friends get engaged at the end of it and then

831
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: get to like be so close to them and see

832
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: their love grow outside the franchise. So because I have

833
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: four friends that it really worked for, it's very easy

834
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: for me to believe that the process works. Yeah, of

835
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: course I wouldn't think it. Cory go ahead, then no,

836
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: you know, I was just gonna say, and I think

837
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: Ashley's right, I definitely think it can work. Um. I've

838
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: always said that when it comes to these these shows,

839
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work every time, and nobody should expect that,

840
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: And that's kind of the beauty of it. Right. We're

841
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: following a journey, we're following a story. We're not ending.

842
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: It's not dating in a vacuum. You're not automatically gonna

843
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: end up with somebody in the end. You know, I

844
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: found love on The Bachelor. I did. I truly loved

845
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: Lauren and um and and that won't change, right. That

846
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: was a huge part of my life. Now I know

847
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: what that feeling was like for me. Um, and I

848
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: know that I've I've talked to people that have felt

849
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: that same thing. Now for in my case, obviously Laura

850
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: and I are no longer together, um, but it doesn't

851
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: change the fact that I really love her and loved

852
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: her and she really loved loved me, and and that's

853
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to exist from a television show. Um. Now,

854
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: I want to clarify one thing, and I think this

855
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: is a common you know, when I send up for

856
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: The Bachelor at um, people were very judgmental to me,

857
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: and my response was always this, I don't know what's

858
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: going to happen. I don't even know if I'm going

859
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: onto this show to find love. I'm going on to

860
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: see what happens and stay open to the idea that

861
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: love could exist within this process. Um. I think that

862
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: is a very important way to look at it, especially

863
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: for future contestants. Is not that Hey, I'm you know,

864
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna definitely fall in love on this show, and

865
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work really hard to make sure I fall

866
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: in love with on this show. That's not healthy, that's

867
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: not okay, that's that's just abnormal. Um, this is going

868
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: through the wrong reasons. Is such b s. It's like, no,

869
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: you're supposed to go into it and say, hey, like

870
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: I might like someone, I may have some really cool

871
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: experiences and if I find my spouse along the way,

872
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: then holy day, I'm that's awesome. Yeah. I mean, you know,

873
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: if you're open to it, you can find love on

874
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: this show. Um. But I mean, if we're honest with

875
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: each other, right, you can find love anywhere. And and

876
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: that's the beautiful thing about love to me, is that

877
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: it can exist anywhere, anytime, and you never know when

878
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. It's gonna pop up out of nowhere,

879
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: or maybe it does happen on The Bachelor at Bachelor

880
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 1: um franchise. And I just have to say one more

881
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: thing that we're on the topic. I know, I hate

882
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: to bring it back to Paradise, but there's been three

883
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: seasons of Paradise, and from those three seasons, there have

884
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: been two couples that are still together. And I think

885
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: it's interesting because the process of Paradise is different. You're

886
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: basically living with them for only five days, which is

887
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: totally different from the Bachelor of the Bachelorette, in which

888
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: you get I don't know, Ben, how long did you

889
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: get with Lauren each week? Uh, you know that's tough,

890
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: you know, most a couple. I mean, definitely it was

891
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: in the hours. It matters of a week if it

892
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: was a week on a one on one or a

893
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: week in a group data. I think that's why it's

894
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: so important when you watch the show to realize that,

895
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, one on ones are very very influential in

896
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: the time and that you're putting into your relationship. And

897
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: so you know, one on ones you're with somebody all day.

898
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: Group dates you might be with him for a few

899
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: hours and then you have a cocktail party. So it

900
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: isn't an exordament around of time. It's it's actually pretty

901
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: quick and and um, I guess you know. For me,

902
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: I've always explained it as when I was on The Bachelor, Um,

903
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: there was a moment in time where I just knew

904
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: that Lauren was somebody special. Um, you know. And I

905
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: think I've talked to other people like Sean who was

906
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: with Caitlin, where you know, he just knew that, you know,

907
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: Caitlin was somebody special. That that can happen in life too,

908
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: write like mean, I hope that happens again for me.

909
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: I hope at some point in my life I run

910
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: across somebody that I just know within hours that this

911
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: person is going to have an impact on my life. Yeah,

912
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: I hope I can like someone off the show too.

913
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: Can I just ask a separate question, UM, related to

914
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: what you just said, then yeah, definitely. Okay, So I

915
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: just wanted to know, is it hard for like go

916
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: through the shell and go through the process if you've

917
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: already kind of figured out who the one is, like

918
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: if you knew that Lauren was the one, that's such

919
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: a good question. Uh, yeah, yeah, and all. Honestly, it's

920
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: very hard. I will tell you that up front. It is.

921
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: It pulls at your heart, and that's probably why you

922
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,479
Speaker 1: start to see so many bachelor's or bachelorettes really start

923
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: to get emotional at the end, because you feel like

924
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: your heart is being pulled in one direction, but you

925
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: you're committed to pulling it back to other relationships as well.

926
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: And for me, that really started to pull on me

927
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: because you want to give everybody an equal amount of

928
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: attention and care and support. But but yeah, at the

929
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: same time, you know that there's somebody there that you

930
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: just can't see yourself without. UM. I think during that

931
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: process though you have committed as the bachelor bachelor to

932
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: stay open to the end. That is your commitment to

933
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: to the women involved or the men, and also to

934
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: to the show. And so you're keeping your heart open

935
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: as hard as it is, and you're also and I

936
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: and I everybody always says, well that just seems weird. Well, yes,

937
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: it's weird. The show itself is odd. I'm not gonna

938
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: ever say it's not. But it's, but it's it's it's

939
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: also can be a great thing. The part you need

940
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: to remember, too is I'm still getting to know each person.

941
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: So as much as I might have felt about Lauren

942
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: after week two, I still don't know a lot about her.

943
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: And and we've seen it in this show many times,

944
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: where you know, week eight, you know, right when it's

945
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: getting down to the end, it's the final four, and

946
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: the bachelor or bachelor all of a sudden finds out

947
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: something about the person that they care so much about,

948
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: and it changes everything. It changes the whole relationship, changes

949
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: the whole dynamic. And in my mind, I didn't want

950
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: to close myself off until the very end where I

951
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: knew for certain that the person I thought Lauren was

952
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: from week two, was the person that I was going

953
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: to be asking to marry me at the end. Now, obviously,

954
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: like you know that that isn't the case today. You know,

955
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: she's still that person, but we aren't together today. But

956
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: you know who I knew at week two with Lauren

957
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: was is still the person I know today that that

958
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: never changed? Yeah, then you're so perfect. Well, um, so

959
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: you talk, well, you know what I think. I think

960
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: it is important. You know, as a viewer, I you

961
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: don't have the chance as a contestant to explain the

962
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: situation always. You know, people jump to conclusions often and

963
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 1: you get a lot of judgment for the show itself.

964
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: But when the show is done well, when the experiences

965
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: is participated in by somebody who really is open to

966
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: the process, which is what you've committed to, um, which

967
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: is what you've chosen in turn too, then these kind

968
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: of things make more sense. That's why the show is

969
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: so fun for me to watch. Now I know what

970
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: Rachel's feeling. I know that she probably has a has

971
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: a really big um crush on somebody or she feels

972
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: like somebody's right for her. And what I'm interested in

973
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: now is is that going to play out to the end.

974
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: Is that gonna still last until the moment that we

975
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: see them, you know a lot on the live show together,

976
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: smiling and hopefully walking off off the stage to the

977
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: real life world that they're going to be enterning into

978
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: as partners. And girl, if you want to do the show,

979
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: go and apply, because if you don't find the love

980
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: of your life, it's a great growing experience. So serious,

981
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,479
Speaker 1: like my palm Award in high school was most likely

982
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: to be the bachelorette that was, like you all know,

983
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: so well, that's great. Well, Delane, thank you for calling

984
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: from Canada. I need you to know that Ash and

985
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your questions and your call ins and

986
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: just you reaching out to us and also listening to

987
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: the almost famous podcast. We appreciate it. Well, thanks so

988
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: much for having me guys by. So actually, outside of

989
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: the Bachelor Ambassador, there's a lot going on in life

990
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: right now, right There's there's some major stories that are

991
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: that exist out there in in the pop culture realm

992
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: that that we need to touch on. Um one we

993
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 1: need to touch on because selfishly, I have a story

994
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: for you that, um I don't know if I should

995
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: be excited to share or not. Um, I don't even

996
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: know it's good. You know it's good because because it's

997
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: it's something that uh, I get made fun of a

998
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: lot for or gets brought up a lot dancing. It's

999
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: not wow, no, but now I know that how I

1000
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: should feel about my dancing. Um. So a discussion, UM,

1001
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: she said that the only time that I'm unattracted to

1002
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: Jared and that she's unattracted to you is when you're

1003
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: white boy dancing. I mean, if anything, I feel like

1004
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: that's when you should be attractive us most. Because Jared

1005
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: and I we got moved. Um. There's a story out there,

1006
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: UM from a former Playboy playmate named Danny Matthers. Danny

1007
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: Mathers UM took a picture in the locker room of

1008
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: a seven year old woman who was changing. Right. She

1009
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: snapchat of this picture, and she she had some quote

1010
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: with the picture like I can't un see this, Um,

1011
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: then you can't see it. She was trying to show

1012
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: it to the public. Right. Well, this happened in two

1013
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, and it has caught a ton of press

1014
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: here recently because um, the suit that was filed against

1015
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: Danny UM is closing right so now, UM, Danny filed

1016
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: no contest to the misdemeanor account of invasion in privacy

1017
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: and now she will be sentenced to three years probation

1018
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: in thirty days of community service. So as I read

1019
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: this story, I first obviously UM felt uh compelled to

1020
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: really to get angry at Danny, right, But I read

1021
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: through UH an US Weekly article here UM that interviews Danny.

1022
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: She said that over the last year she's realized how

1023
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: um horrible her decision was and how um she's so

1024
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: sorry for for the picture that she took and for

1025
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: the the embarrassment that she caused this seven year old

1026
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: woman who was really um. As we both know, a

1027
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 1: locker room is a place of privacy, a place of

1028
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: what should be safety, a place where we can all shower, change,

1029
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: clean up for the day after a workout. UM, And

1030
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: Danny says she's she's really sorry about it. And so

1031
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: I can't sit here today. I'm not this this is

1032
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this to Judge Danny at all. You know,

1033
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: she has been punished, she has apologized. I believe that

1034
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: forgiveness has been given to her through this seven year

1035
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: old woman and as a public person who really doesn't

1036
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: matter at all in this. I forgive Danny as well,

1037
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,479
Speaker 1: but this brings up my my most embarrassing gym story.

1038
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: You ready for it? Yeah? Okay, So I work out

1039
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: at lunch up here in Evergreen, Colorado at the Evergreen

1040
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 1: Rex Center. Okay, ever the Evergreen rec Centers is a

1041
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: beautiful Rex center in the mountains and as a beautiful

1042
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: facility that has beautiful, beautiful locker room with a with

1043
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: a sauna and shower and everything involved. Right, Well, so,

1044
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna I'm just gonna be as honest

1045
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: as possible here. I'm not gonna hold anything back if

1046
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: you don't want to hear it from here on now,

1047
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: this is probably gonna be rated. Um, you know PG. Thirteen. Um,

1048
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: when you when you when you're in a lot, when

1049
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: you're in a locker room, okay, what are you doing?

1050
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: You're changing? Are you're showering? And so to change and shower,

1051
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: there's one step in there that includes you getting naked. Okay. Um. Now,

1052
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: oftentimes when you're when you're in lock's it shouldn't be

1053
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, awkward, it's it's weird, it feels weird. There's

1054
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of different people of all different ages of

1055
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: all different all different places. Um. But unfortunately for me,

1056
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: this rec center is right next to my work, and

1057
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of people from my office that

1058
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: also participate in this in this rec center and also

1059
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: change and shower to go back to work. So I

1060
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: usually work out with with one of my best friends

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Speaker 1: who I work with, who also is my boss. Well

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Speaker 1: you know, him and I are the same hometown of Warsaw.

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Speaker 1: We we lift, we run whatever, and then we'll shower off,

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Speaker 1: get changed and come up here. Don't think twice about it. Well,

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Speaker 1: this one day, just a few months ago, just a

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Speaker 1: few months ago, Um, I am talking to my boss

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Speaker 1: and backing up. Okay, I want you to to picture here.

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Speaker 1: The locker room sits there, and and behind me is

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Speaker 1: a shower, right Okay, So I am talking to him

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Speaker 1: walking backwards to get into the shower. Well as I

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Speaker 1: turn around, um, and just I need to add a

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Speaker 1: point in here in the shower. When I was talking

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Speaker 1: about Buss. There's another man that I work with who

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Speaker 1: is an engineer for our company, who I don't know

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Speaker 1: very well, who's a very nice, quiet, young older man. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I don't talk to I say hi, I know him.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know him personally at all, right, but

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Speaker 1: I do work with him, Okay, I see him every day.

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Speaker 1: So as I'm backing up, I turn around to walk

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Speaker 1: into the shower, and just as I lift my head

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Speaker 1: up from turning around, this poor older man and I

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Speaker 1: collide front to front, making making making a sound like

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Speaker 1: if if you can you do me? If they right now? Actually,

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Speaker 1: can you just give me a light little clap into

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Speaker 1: the mic? Oh, a little louder maybe, Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: that that's the sound made for everybody in the locker

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Speaker 1: room and everyone back at the office. Yeah, here's my

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Speaker 1: point to the story. Here's I'm tying it back into

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Speaker 1: Danny Matthers. Everybody at the office had end up hearing

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Speaker 1: about this story where the locker room no longer became

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Speaker 1: a place of privacy and safety, but it became a

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Speaker 1: place to tell a story from. And so please, here's

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Speaker 1: our public service announcement today to everybody listening. Keep the

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Speaker 1: locker room safe. We're ever been making in the locker

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Speaker 1: room in my life. That is a topic for next

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Speaker 1: week's starst episode, by talking about why and where that

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Speaker 1: comes from. But for this week, this has been the

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Speaker 1: almost famous podcast, I've Been Been And I've Been Ashley.

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