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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we don't need a stink

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Speaker 1: in island to talk about quarterbacks. I'm Greg rosenthalm here

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Speaker 1: in the Chris Wesleyan podcast studio and talking to my

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Speaker 1: friend Ben Solack of ESPN from across the country.

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Speaker 2: Can I call you a friend, Ben.

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Speaker 1: We've just done a couple of podcasts together that might

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Speaker 1: be preventive.

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Speaker 3: And we've we've regularly been at the same events and

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Speaker 3: then not been able to attend to the same like

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Speaker 3: social gatherings like Oh, I've got a poly gotta do this,

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Speaker 3: so you got to go somewhere TV and do that.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, friend, that's a stretch. Looking forward.

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Speaker 3: I think I've shook your hand once. I hope it

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Speaker 3: will make a second time with them soon. It's a stretch.

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Speaker 1: I felt self conscious about it the second I said it,

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Speaker 1: But Ben was the guy I thought of here and

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Speaker 1: shout out to our listener Eric Jensen, who gets a

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Speaker 1: co producer credit here, saying we hadn't been doing enough

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Speaker 1: quarterback stuff lately and thought of Ben. Talk a little

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks before we break for the summer. So we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about the most interesting quarterbacks of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: But before we do that, just a little bit of

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Speaker 1: news dropped surprisingly on Thursday morning, we got some contract

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Speaker 1: extensions for general manager Jason Light of the Buccaneers and

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Speaker 1: his head coach, Todd Bowles through twenty twenty eight. We

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Speaker 1: had Jason Light on the show earlier this offseason. We've

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Speaker 1: said it when he's not on the show that we

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Speaker 1: think he is one of the best GMS. Was It

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Speaker 1: was drafted very high in our GM Draft US a

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Speaker 1: few weeks ago, so makes a lot of sense that

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Speaker 1: he gets it. It's interesting that Bowles gets it at

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Speaker 1: the same time. Where do you look or where do

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Speaker 1: you see this Bucks team like where they are in

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Speaker 1: their team building, especially where Bulls and Light are at.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been very big on the Bucks this offseason,

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Speaker 3: and I think that when you go to make the

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Speaker 3: NFC market for who's going to represent the conference in

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, I think you have to put the

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Speaker 3: Eagles at the top, and then I think the Bucks

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Speaker 3: des are to be in that next tier. I would

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Speaker 3: like Lions, Rams Buccaneers would be doing my next grouping.

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Speaker 3: The Buccaneers defense last year was really rough and they

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Speaker 3: had a ton of injuries in the back seven, and

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Speaker 3: they struggled to generate a pass rush. If you go

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Speaker 3: when you look at the history of Todd bowles defenses,

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Speaker 3: it's it's probably going to get better, Like that's one

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Speaker 3: of the worst defenses he's ever fielded. He's a pretty

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Speaker 3: reliably good defensive coach, has the system that's been working

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Speaker 3: take a step back to normalcy. And then that offense

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Speaker 3: returned all eleven starters. They resigned Ben Bretison in free agency,

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Speaker 4: Everybody's back in a meekig Buka is the cherry on top.

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Speaker 3: So long as you trust Josh Grizzard to kind of

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Speaker 3: in Liam Cohn's departure, that's gonna be a top ten

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Speaker 4: So I'm big on the Bucks.

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Speaker 3: I know that there's frustration with Todd Bowles's game management

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Speaker 3: but I still think is a good head coach in

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Speaker 3: the league. Is a great defensive coach, and yeah, Jason

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Speaker 4: They're a good group.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a great game plan defensive coach, and that's

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Speaker 1: why I'm not too worried about last season for him.

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Speaker 1: I would also caution people of assuming too much based

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Speaker 1: really disappointing year. That that ownership group has eaten some

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Speaker 1: coaching contract before. And so it's great for Todd Bowles

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Speaker 1: and his family, great guy that he gets some long

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Speaker 1: term security, but it's still the NFL like that did

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Speaker 1: not help out Rhal Morris back in the day, actually,

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Speaker 1: way back in the John Gruden days, he had just

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Speaker 1: signed like an extension. They have rolled through coaches if

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Speaker 1: that it's the consensus pick, but it makes too much

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Speaker 1: sense that the Buccaneers to me, are right there at

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. All right, let's get to let's get

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Speaker 1: to our quarterbacks. Let's talk most interesting quarterbacks. And I

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Speaker 1: alluded to it at the top. We do a lot

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Speaker 1: at where these quarterbacks are in the big picture of

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Speaker 1: So this isn't a ranking, but we'll just go back

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would be remiss to come on a Greg

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Speaker 3: rosen Told podcast and not start with Gino Smith.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I think Gino is as a really really.

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Speaker 3: Interesting quarterback for twenty twenty five because Gino got the

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Speaker 3: But there's still a pretty decent divide between those who

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Speaker 3: He can be like you know, the past or the

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Speaker 3: another big pile of like decent starters. You're you know

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Speaker 3: all the Sam Donald move is not like a downgrade.

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Speaker 3: He's maybe you win with him. Sometimes he's got some

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Speaker 3: and explosive pass rate. Gino Smith is heavy metal. He

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Speaker 3: grips in, rips it. He is a very fun pocket

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Speaker 3: but the environment is totally new. Right, It's not okay

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Speaker 3: shots at DK Metcalf anymore. Now it's usdry Kobe Meyers,

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Speaker 3: The running game might be a lot better. The drafting

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Speaker 3: of Ashton gent like the Raiders are just a very

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Speaker 3: Gino Smith Eve and I believe even that he's that

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Speaker 3: the high interception issues, that some of the sack problems,

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Speaker 3: the ceiling is on the guy. So I think we're

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Speaker 3: gonna learn a ton about Geno on twenty five.

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Speaker 1: I agree he was high on my list, but I

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Speaker 1: just want to replay, like everything you just said contextually

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Speaker 1: about Gino Smith every once in a while on this

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Speaker 1: podcast when anyone comes at me, Yeah, I got about

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Speaker 1: Gena that that was absolutely beautiful because the situation for

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Speaker 1: he's fascinating as well. Gino Smith is going to turn

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Speaker 1: thirty five years old this year, and so the way

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Speaker 1: that he's changed his career around, like he is going

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Speaker 1: to be a touchstone for talented quarterbacks who didn't get

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Speaker 1: his first act is the Jets. His second act is

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Speaker 2: These great quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: His third act people can disagree about how great it was,

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Speaker 1: but you know, I think he's been underrated still because

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Speaker 2: And as you say, he's heavy metal. Great way to

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Speaker 1: That number three in on target rate really stands out

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Speaker 1: to me because that's the thing. To me, he can

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Speaker 1: do it on another team, totally different situation. I know

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Speaker 1: he's had a different offensive coordinator in Seattle a couple

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Speaker 1: it is different to lead a totally different organization and

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm not going to change my

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Speaker 1: if he's money in a totally different situation, that elevates

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Speaker 1: his career to an even different level. Like we really

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think and like to step away from

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Speaker 3: a very strong relationship with Pete, and you go back

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Speaker 3: pretty clear that like Gino and DK are frustrated each

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Speaker 3: The second half of the season, I think Gino's player

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Speaker 3: I'm back with Pete. This is the guy who believing me.

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Speaker 3: This is the guy who first got me up out

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Speaker 3: another level. So I've got I'm very high on the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: If you if you see the team most likely to

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Speaker 3: for a playoff spot, Las Vegas is like top of

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Speaker 4: I think they're going to be a jit.

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Speaker 1: I feel that, and then I look at the depth chart,

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Speaker 1: I'm counting so much on just like the magic Pete

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Speaker 3: Let's stay with that twenty three class. I think, like

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Speaker 3: Bryce Young is is absolutely fascinating. We've seen a lot

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Speaker 1: Are you at all concerned, like looking inside, I don't.

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Speaker 4: It absolutely, it's a big part of it. Right.

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Speaker 3: If Bryce Young succeeded the NFL level means I could

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Speaker 4: That's obviously that the big difference. Faker.

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Speaker 1: We were going with that Herbert would be another one,

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Speaker 1: just because I've heard, you know, Mina did that profile

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Speaker 1: on him, and I think it helped us learn a

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Speaker 1: lot about Justin Herbert. But I don't think he's effusive

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Speaker 1: in you know, talking, and yeah, I don't know Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: I don't even find him like a fascinating player when

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Speaker 1: he's on the field. But to me, he's a fascinating

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Speaker 1: discussion and I think just adding Travis Hunter to this

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Speaker 1: team makes him more fascinating. And having the combination of

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunder and Brian Thomas Junior while you're leaning into

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Speaker 1: Hunter as a receiver on the same team. Look, all

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Speaker 1: of Lawrence's career, I've been a little underwhelmed, and not

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Speaker 1: just because he came into the league with so much hype,

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Speaker 1: but that he's just never been consistent. And that's what

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Speaker 1: I want, like someone that is a completely consistent thrower

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Speaker 1: of the football in terms of his accuracy, even his

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Speaker 1: best moments of his career, and I think maybe the

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Speaker 1: best moment is that second half come back against the Chargers. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: the first half of that game he throws four interceptions,

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's kind of typical of his career

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Speaker 1: if you remember last season, like the first couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks were rough and then he bounces back for a

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Speaker 1: little bit and it's just not there on a week

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Speaker 1: to week basis for me. And we have our friends

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Speaker 1: in the business. I'm not sure exactly where you are

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Speaker 1: on this scale, but our friend Nate Tice, who's coming

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Speaker 1: up on a big episode for us later this month,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's still got Trevor Lawrence in his top

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Speaker 1: ten of where he thinks he's going to be in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. And I can't get there, but smart

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Speaker 1: people can. And so to me, this is a season

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Speaker 1: where he's got another great chance and he's got some

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Speaker 1: great weapons around him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I think, like I continue to have cautious faith

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Speaker 3: and optimism in Trevor and probably above the publican census

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Speaker 3: on Trevor.

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Speaker 4: I'm not where Nate is.

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Speaker 3: Right if you gave me Trevor or Gino over the

473
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Speaker 3: last three seasons, like to me that I'm probably taking

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Speaker 3: Gino Smith for the next couple relative to Trevor, which

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Speaker 3: feels crazy. Lawrence, I'm pretty confident in saying that this

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Speaker 3: offense are about to see with Liam Cohen, with Travis Hunter,

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Speaker 3: with Brian Thomas Jr. Is about the best that he's

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Speaker 3: had available around him, right. I think that we cannot

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Speaker 3: discount just how much of a false start out of

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Speaker 3: the gate the Urban Meyer year was.

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Speaker 4: From a development.

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Speaker 3: Perspective, from a leadership perspective, for your locker room confident

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Speaker 3: I can do this at the NFL level, and then

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Speaker 3: the Doug Peterson years, which, like you know, Doug doesn't

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Speaker 3: have the bad name that that Urban did. But from

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Speaker 3: a like you know, execution on field perspective, there was

487
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Speaker 3: a lot that was left to be desired there. So

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Speaker 3: there should be hopefully a floor raising, buttoning up experience

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Speaker 3: now with Liam Cohen, with a NFL offense a little

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Speaker 3: bit more cutting edge. With Lawrence, it will be learning

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Speaker 3: how to let the offense work for him. Though, Like

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Speaker 3: if Brian Thomas Junior is this guy, which like I

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Speaker 3: think by this time next year we'll be talking about

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Speaker 3: Brian Helmus Junior is like, Okay, where is he in

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Speaker 3: the top five of all NFL receivers right now, Like

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Speaker 3: I think he's like that caliber of dude. If Travis

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Speaker 3: Hunter is that guy, highest drafted receiver, if he's playing

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Speaker 3: receiver since Calvin Johnson, then let the guys work for you, right.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't always need to be a three second drop back.

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Speaker 3: It can be a two second drop back. It doesn't

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Speaker 3: always need to be the deep boast. It can be

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Speaker 3: the drag on third and six and he's going to

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Speaker 3: pick up the yardage for you. Lawrence has, in part

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Speaker 3: because of his upbringing, part of who he's been with

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Speaker 3: in Jacksonville, and then in part because of his play style,

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Speaker 3: has not been willing to let other players be the

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Speaker 3: elevators and kind of be the guys who lift things up.

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Speaker 3: And that's where you get some of these third down sacks,

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Speaker 3: these third down interceptions, right, these scrambles inus side of

510
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Speaker 3: the pocket. Then with these big hits and these injuries.

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Speaker 3: So he's gonna have to learn how to reduce himself

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Speaker 3: a little bit. If it is true that the pieces

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Speaker 3: around have have improved, and accordingly it's a much healthier

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Speaker 3: offensive ecosystem.

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Speaker 1: Those are all really good points, and I think the

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Speaker 1: issue I might have with Lawrence is that I'm going

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Speaker 1: a little off in tangibles in my doubt, which is

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Speaker 1: not necessarily fair that you're.

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Speaker 3: Like, that's force illustrated piece that was like this guy

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Speaker 3: might like other things.

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Speaker 4: Can we do it?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: So it's a tricky thing to talk about because I

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Speaker 1: hate it and I hate those sort of those sort

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Speaker 1: of reports when it doesn't feel fair. But since he's

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Speaker 1: been in the league, I have heard whispers about that

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Speaker 1: from people that have been around that team and would

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Speaker 1: have more of a place to have knowledge about it.

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Speaker 1: And because you do wonder, like what is stopping this

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Speaker 1: guy and all the quarterbacks at the top of the game,

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Speaker 1: Like it's almost understood that that they're absolutely maniacal in

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Speaker 1: their preparation and in their intelligence on field, and that

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Speaker 1: sometimes takes a while to get there. I don't think

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Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger, for instance, I always point him out was

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Speaker 1: that guy early in his career, and he became that guy.

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Speaker 1: And so maybe Trevor Lawrence is just a little younger

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Speaker 1: and a little further behind the developmental track. But when

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Speaker 1: I think about maybe what's gotten in the way for

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Speaker 1: him just a little bit, I think, well, maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: his off field, whether whether it's preparation or just learning

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Speaker 1: the game enough, and that takes being in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's just what's you know, prevented him from getting

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Speaker 1: ten percent fifteen percent better and being the guy.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a very good point because again I go

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Speaker 3: back and I think to that Urban year, and I

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Speaker 3: think about how Lawrence came in as you know, the

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Speaker 3: Golden Boy, the prince that was promised ordained. He gets

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Speaker 3: a coach in Urban who's not an NFL guy, so

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Speaker 3: it's not going to like walk him in and say like, actually,

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Speaker 3: this is how we do things in the NFL. Is

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Speaker 3: the standard, Like Urban's just gonna kind of, you know,

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Speaker 3: run as Urban runs it. And then that Jaguars team

554
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Speaker 3: was never really one for impactful, long term, tenured offensive stars, right,

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Speaker 3: so they had the left tackle who'd been there for

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Speaker 3: ten years. It's not like they had the wide receiver

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Speaker 3: who's been doing it at a high level for five years.

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Speaker 3: And even now, right we're talking about Thomas Junior and

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Speaker 3: Travis Hunter, who are younger players than Lawrence. So Lawrence

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Speaker 3: hasn't really like Christian Kirk is the most I'm a vet,

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Speaker 3: I do this right at the NFL level march to

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Speaker 3: the beat of my drum, guy that I feel like

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Speaker 3: he's had, like there was like an actually impactful back.

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Speaker 4: I mean they had had Morse last season.

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Speaker 1: Even his backup quarterbacks, like having mac Jones with him

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Speaker 1: or fighting against Garter Minshew who was the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I hear you and that, yeah, you know, I'm your

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Speaker 3: Your comment is making me think about the fact that, yeah,

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Speaker 3: like he I wonder who if you sat Laurence down

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Speaker 3: and said, who have you been your three biggest mentors

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Speaker 3: in the NFL space right now, he would say yes,

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Speaker 3: I feel like he would struggle against to three maybe

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Speaker 3: a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, Cam Robinson and.

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Speaker 3: Evan Ingram, I don't know if these are the guys

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Speaker 3: that we want to be, you know, following the path

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Speaker 3: that they beat.

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Speaker 1: Right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back

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Speaker 1: with a few more interesting quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Back on NFL Daily.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, if I'm going to give some pop to

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Speaker 1: our super listener Eric Jensen for helping to suggest this episode,

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Speaker 1: I might as well mentioned h he hosts the end

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Speaker 1: Zone podcast. Give him a little free plug. I was

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Speaker 1: on it like a month ago, So shout out to him.

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Speaker 1: He's a big fan of years Ben and I am

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Speaker 1: as well. And I want to hear who your next

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Speaker 1: most interesting quarterback is?

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Speaker 4: Would you lie? So we just did Lawrence.

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Speaker 3: Would you like an ex first overall pick as Lawrence

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Speaker 3: was or was like a member of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: one NFL draft class as Lawrence was, helish choice.

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Speaker 2: Let's go number one overall pick?

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Speaker 3: All right, love hanging fruit. But Caleb is very interesting

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Speaker 3: this year, Caleb Williams with the Bears. Because Caleb came out,

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Speaker 3: I would say, with equivalent, if not superior, number one

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Speaker 3: overall hype to that which Trevor Lawrence himself had when

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Speaker 3: he was coming out, like this is the guy whatever.

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Speaker 3: And then Williams had the very unfortunate luck of being

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Speaker 3: in the same class as and selected one pick before

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Speaker 3: a historically good rookie quarterback in Jane and Daniels. And

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Speaker 3: so the urgency feels very high on Calebly your two

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Speaker 3: what's it going to look like?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: The addition of Ben Johnson, Oh, this is the offensive mastermind.

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Speaker 3: We were trying to get him out of Detroit for

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Speaker 3: three off seats. Since he finally takes job with the

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Speaker 3: Chicago Bears, kayleb. Williams ratchets up the urgency there. They

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Speaker 3: spent a top ten pick on Colston Lovelin passcatching tight end.

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Speaker 3: They spent another pick on a wide receiver, Luther Burden.

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Speaker 3: This a year after they spent a top ten pick

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Speaker 3: on a wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: He's got the tools right. The urgency levers up.

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Speaker 3: I think people over indexed how bad williams rookie season

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Speaker 3: was because Jaden daniels rookie.

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Speaker 4: Season was so good.

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Speaker 3: If you look at quarterbacks last year, like Caleb was

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Speaker 3: unquestionably not great thirty third and success rate thirty fee

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Speaker 3: pay per dropback thirty ninth and off target rate thirty

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Speaker 3: eighth and sack rate among the kind of forty quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: but had enough dropbacks. If you look at first round rookies,

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Speaker 3: he was just like a lot more average than those numbers

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Speaker 3: twenty fifty, paper drop back twenty ninth and success rate.

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Speaker 3: The sack rate was still really high forty third out

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Speaker 3: of forty six quarterbacks, but for a rookie, he had

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Speaker 3: a predict like acceptably average, a little bit below average

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Speaker 3: season with a lot of ups, a lot of downs.

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Speaker 3: You go and you look at a team that had

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Speaker 3: three different offensive play callers that fired their head coach

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the season, and you go, okay,

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Speaker 3: like this should be recoverable, this should be fine. The

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Speaker 3: sack rays thing that really stands out, that's heavily, heavily

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Speaker 3: play style. He has to be the one to decide

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Speaker 3: to take your sacks, throw the ball away and or

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Speaker 3: get rid of it quicker. But I feel like Caleb's

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Speaker 3: rookie season was not as poor and as worrisome as

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Speaker 3: some people would have you believe. And then I do

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Speaker 3: think that the addition of Ben Johnson and Colson Loveland

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Speaker 3: and Luther Burden and DJ More being there roll Madoonsey

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Speaker 3: there obviously the whole change on the interior offensive line.

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Speaker 3: I do think there's a very nice high ceiling, though

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Speaker 3: the entire deck around him has been shuffled, and the

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Speaker 3: deck was really bad last time around. So I think

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Speaker 3: a big year two leap is not an unreasonable thing

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Speaker 3: to expect from Caleb Williams. At any time a rookie

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Speaker 3: is bad, we kind of always think it's going to

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Speaker 3: be a year two leap, and that's usually just kind

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Speaker 3: of like a little bit jumping in or guessing in

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Speaker 3: the dark stabbing in the dark this time. I really

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Speaker 3: do think there's there's enough anecdotal evidence. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the production is going to get a lot better, a

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Speaker 3: lot quicker. I'm interested to see you.

653
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: I totally agree that he was better last season than

654
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: he got credit for. It was a fine rookie season.

655
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: The fact that he had as much hype as he

656
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: did and was the number one overall pick. I still

657
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: saw enough to hold on to the situation and the

658
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: just inability to get rid of the ball even when

659
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: you know he was protected well was a problem. And

660
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: I think good coaching and he's falling into that this

661
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: year will really help him out. But I'm with you,

662
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: Like to me, he still had more box office moments

663
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: than I think people really recognized. Like it was kind

664
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: of awesome, like some of the things he did, especially

665
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: early in the season. So I'm excited to see him

666
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: this year as well.

667
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: I was supposed to be five and two with a

668
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 3: game winning drive against Jaden Daniels in Washington, and then

669
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 3: Tyre Stevenson started talking to a kim Anders fan and

670
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: the entire Bear season legitimately fell off the tracks. So yeah,

671
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: like it was a lot closer to a lot more. Okay,

672
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: that wasn't as good as we thought it was gonna be,

673
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: but that was fine than people realize.

674
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and his strengths, Like he was too cautious, but

675
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: he really did like very Aaron Rodgers like just like

676
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: it was absolutely loath to like put a ball in

677
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: Harm's way. And that's a positive thing out out of

678
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: a young quarterback when you can mix it with some

679
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: of the arm talent that he has. Speaking of which

680
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: maybe this is the twenty twenty one guy you were

681
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: gonna say, I guess I'll go Herbo. It's time, it's funny. Okay, oh,

682
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: a good call. Always a huge Herbo fan. And last

683
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: year was maybe it was because of the playoff game.

684
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: I think it was the first year that he almost

685
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: got not too much credit because I think he had

686
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: a good year. But I wouldn't say I was underwhelmed,

687
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: but I don't think it went over par for what

688
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: I was hoping for for first year out of Harbaugh.

689
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: And I know the efficiency numbers were really good and

690
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: they really backed up the attempt. Speaking of Caleb Williams,

691
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: like I think that's going to be part of his

692
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: success this year, is is you just back up Yeah,

693
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna lean more on the running game, and that's

694
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: gonna be it. But the playoff game was was tough,

695
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of play action, not that

696
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: that's like a bad thing, and there were a lot

697
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: of big time throws. But I do think the second

698
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: year of Jim Harbaugh that a lot of I'm not

699
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: going to say excuse making that that Herbo Nation has

700
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: been doing myself included over the last five years, but

701
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: some of the context that we've added, I do think

702
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: a lot of that will be out the window this year.

703
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: I mostly feel good about the offensive line. I wish

704
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: they did a little more on the interior, but I

705
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: trust in the coaching staff and for the most part,

706
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: I think the roster's in good shape. Like the weapons

707
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: aren't amazing, but I think the continuity and what they've added,

708
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: like that's enough to feel a little bit better about

709
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: what's around him. And I just think they need to

710
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: dial the lever up on counting on him even more so.

711
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: To me, it's a big year where he came into

712
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: the league, those first two seasons, especially like you just

713
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: expected his career arc to be a little different, and

714
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: we've seen career arcs like this too. Like I do

715
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: think it's time for him to ramp it up and

716
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: kind of be in that conversation as one of the five,

717
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: one of the three, whatever it is, best quarterbacks and league.

718
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: I think he could do it, but I think it's

719
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: an interesting year for him to go make that happen.

720
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they were I think that they what they

721
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: want to be identity wise on offense is a little

722
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 3: bit more important to them than it is to the

723
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 3: average team. And that's because Greg Roman and Jim Harbar

724
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: are pretty this is the way we're going to go

725
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 3: about things. Heavier personnel, we're going to be play action,

726
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: We're going to be very run heavy. And if you

727
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: go and you look back at their season last year,

728
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: they were extremely run heavy for the first like four

729
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 3: or five weeks of the season, right, super high run

730
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: rat of expectation, and like they were getting the big

731
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: JK Dobbins runs, but from a snap to snap perspective,

732
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: it wasn't working well and they kind of realized, all right,

733
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: we need to ratch up the pass a little bit more,

734
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: and then they did that. They started dropping back a

735
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: little bit more and then JK got hurt in the

736
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: middle of the year and it's now it's Gus Edwards

737
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: and they've got Hassan Haskins, the Kamani Vidal and it's like, not,

738
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 3: you know, Gus isn't running as well as he was. Okay,

739
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: we have to pass it a little bit more. I

740
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: think they had to get away from their identity in

741
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: a way that like they knew their interio, offensive line

742
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: and their running back room is not yet ready to

743
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: kind of be what they want to be as a team.

744
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: So with McKai beckon in the building, with a Marion

745
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: Hampton in the building, I think you're going to see

746
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: them go and slide back to being like one of

747
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: the run heaviest teams in football. And for Herbert, it's

748
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: going to be right, a lot of play action, a

749
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: lot of shot And if Trey Harris is what they

750
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 3: drafted him to be, and you salve ladm Conky to

751
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: be your like kind of base down, quick game underne separator,

752
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: your third and five guy, the vision is a lot

753
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: more clear to me. Such I think they'll just be

754
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: generally a lot more offensive success. However, the two baskets

755
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: with the most eggs are first round rookie running back

756
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: of Marion Hampton and second round rookie wide receiver Trey Harris.

757
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 3: So we are putting a lot of hope in that

758
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: these rookies can fill the roles we're expecting them to fill.

759
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: And so I'm always hesitant around the offensive, innovation, creativity,

760
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: and problem solving of a Greg Roman offense. I've seen

761
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: it enough times with enough really good quarterbacks with Lamar

762
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: Jackson and Baltimore that I know that they kind of march.

763
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: They get their formula and then they stick to it

764
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: even when they start needed to color outside lines a

765
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: little bit. And so I'm really hoping that the pieces

766
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: that they added allowed them to be in that formula.

767
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 4: So I think this office could be.

768
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: Really good if they if they hit, if the if

769
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 3: that formula is successful, if they're not getting what they

770
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: want out of Hampton, if they're not getting the field

771
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: stretching out of Trey Harris, I think you're to see

772
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: them just kind of banging their head up against the

773
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: wall again this year.

774
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the interior line like they bring in Mackay Beckton,

775
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: we'll see like well, especially in past protection. But the

776
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: combination of Makai Beckton, maybe Zion Johnson is playing center

777
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: as a salvation.

778
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: Maybe not.

779
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Bradley Bosen, Maybe it's Andre James, like that,

780
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: those three starting on the interior, I don't feel amazing.

781
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Jamari Sawyer is there too, Like I don't

782
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: feel amazing about all that. And part of what I

783
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: wanted to get to for me, most interesting is is

784
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: just the way the way that Herbert made me feel

785
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: so lack as a rookie. We're here in the Chris

786
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: Westling podcast studio and like me and Wes just talking

787
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: about just the jaw dropping plays Herbot was dropping as

788
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: a rookie. You know, he led the league an interception

789
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: rate last year, just like you know, didn't make any

790
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: mistakes basically all regular season, and then kind of collapsed

791
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: in the playoff game. I just want to see a

792
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: little more that that's not Herbo's nature totally, but just

793
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: a little more playmaking, a little more. Let's take some chances, devil,

794
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: make care count on all that natural gifts that he has,

795
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: and I hope he's confident enough to do that and

796
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: just make me feel about Herbal like I used to.

797
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that playoff game is so tricky because man, was

798
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 3: it bad. And I do think that the worst draw

799
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 3: for the Chargers is the Texans, because I think that

800
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 3: Rashaun Slater and Joe all can pretty much win you

801
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 3: to a neutral or better against thirty one of the

802
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 3: thirty two pass rush duos in the NFL. And I

803
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 3: think the thirty second is Way Anderson and Daniel Hunter,

804
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: who just are so freaking fast, right, and then they

805
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: have the ability to press up on Lad McConkey, to

806
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 3: bother him right, to fluster him with press coverage, which

807
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: is the thing that a player that side is going

808
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: to struggle with. And all of a sudden, like everything

809
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 3: the Chargers wanted to do in the passing game just

810
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: wasn't there. Herbert's used to having time and being safe

811
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: off the edges and just wasn't and it imploded. And

812
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: so I don't know, I think that maybe maybe the

813
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: biggest note for the Charger in twenty twenty five is

814
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 3: of void Houston at all costs. It's a bad matchup

815
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: versus how that offense is built for how Houston's defense

816
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 3: is built. Houston goes wins that game, they get Baltimore

817
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: Devigo has it been Lamar Jackson in like three years?

818
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 4: Right?

819
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 5: Like that?

820
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: That's their bad matchup. But that's kind of how it

821
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 3: goes some times with styles wicking fights.

822
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: That's fair. All right, give me another quarterback you're looking at.

823
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, my twenty twenty one guy was justin fields. I

824
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: will I'll never stop being interested in justin fields.

825
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 4: And I was ready to just.

826
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: Be like quietly, personally, privately interested in justin field. And

827
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: then the Jets gave him like a decently sized contract

828
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 3: with no quarterback competition.

829
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, I'm back to being publicly

830
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 4: interested in justin fields.

831
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 3: The Steelers season, in which he started while Russell Wilson

832
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: at the CAF issue, was illustrative in the sense that

833
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 3: they did like more quick game stuff, and he was

834
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 3: a little bit better than the drop back than he

835
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: had been.

836
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 4: He was getting the ball out a little bit sooner.

837
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 3: But it was also wildly frustrating because they didn't run him,

838
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 3: and the whole premise find justin fields is you gotta

839
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: run him. He had six carries a game last season Leis.

840
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: Since his rookie season with the Bears, he only had

841
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 3: nine point eight four total scramble epa lowest of his

842
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: entire career. Thirteen percent is runs when over ten yards

843
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 3: lowest of his entire career. They used him as like

844
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 3: a short yardage, third and one fourth down guy. They

845
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 3: didn't want him breaking the pocket and creating stuff outside

846
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 3: of space inherently not how Justin Fields works in theory

847
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: and how we've seen him work on paper. Right that

848
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 3: twenty two season where he rushed for over a thousand yards,

849
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 3: Like people forget just how good that season one from

850
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: a rushing perspective. You have to be willing to just

851
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: let him create outside of space. And like so much

852
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 3: of the success of Jade and Daniels is predicated on

853
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 3: the idea that we're going to give this guy design

854
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: runs and we're going to allow him to scrip twenty

855
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: five percent scramble rate on third down Jane Daniels had last.

856
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 4: Year's highest in NFL history.

857
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 3: Just let him go, right, a quarterback scramble is such

858
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 3: a valuable play league wise by EPA perspective. And the

859
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 3: Steelers kept the handcuffs on him last season. The Jets

860
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 3: go and they gave him all this money, and you're

861
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 3: thinking to yourself, all right, Aaron Glenn, they're in Detroit.

862
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 3: You go back and you look at those games Fields

863
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: played against Glenn Stephenson Detroit, and I mean he was

864
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 3: averaging like eighty five yards a game, and it's because

865
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: all that man coverage, because that scrambling ability. So if

866
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: Glenn knows something and value something in fields, it's going

867
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 3: to be the tuck and run. It's going to be

868
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: the ability to put the ball in his hands and

869
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 3: play eleven or eleven football. I think you're going to

870
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 3: see that design run rate shoot back up to more

871
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 3: of those twenty twenty two Bears levels where he was

872
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: running nine times a game, ten times game, eleven times

873
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: a game, and I think that will benefit him offensively.

874
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: I think Garret Wilson's the best receiver he's played with

875
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: in his NFL career. I think we're going to see

876
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: a better looking justin field. I don't know if it's

877
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: good enough to be a long time starter. I don't

878
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: know if it's going to have to hold a job.

879
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 3: But I think we're seeing a better looking justin fields

880
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. I'm excited to see it.

881
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: I thought we said we saw one in twenty twenty

882
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: four until that Raiders game where they won it.

883
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: But they like he like matured, but he's still wasn't

884
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 3: being used the right Okay, totally using the right way.

885
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think you're right and this podcast,

886
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: I feel like we're too high on the Jets at

887
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: this point, but I've liked what they've done all off season.

888
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: I think the non Bills teams in the AFC East

889
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: are all much more equal than they are different, and

890
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, people see the Jets as way lower

891
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: and I think a fields of Sants is going to

892
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: be part of that. It's not his last chance, but

893
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: it's probably his best chance to at least establish himself

894
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: as a guy that could be starting in Week one.

895
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: Pretty often, I do want to get through a few more,

896
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: so we'll go quick here.

897
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: I kind of miss Dak Prescott. It just seems so weirdly.

898
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: I feel like we haven't talked about that much this offseason.

899
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: It just seems like so long ago. He was second

900
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: in MVP, like he was literally in the twenty twenty

901
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: three season he was second in MVP and that playoff

902
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: game didn't go well. And last season I think people

903
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: just think of it as this injury season, but man,

904
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: it was a funky season. He did start half the season,

905
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: He played eight games, and it just never was right,

906
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: and so seeing him in this offense with George Pickens

907
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: added to the mix, without Mike McCarthy in the mix,

908
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: this sort of hybrid where I think it's going to

909
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: be mostly Brian Schottenheimer and I'm not sure how much

910
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: Clayton Adams, so they brought in from Arizona in theory

911
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: for the run game is really going to have a voice.

912
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 2: We'll find out.

913
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: But I do miss him, and he is still young

914
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: enough that you know, at thirty three, like it feels

915
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: like he's on the back nine. It's like Tom Brady,

916
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: not that he's going to be Tom Brady, but you

917
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: know Tom Brady and even Peyton Manning, they were just

918
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: warming up or thirty three was like the beginning of

919
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: some of their very best year.

920
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: So I'm not ruling that out. With Dak Prescott, a guy.

921
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: Who wins from the neck up, and I'm just very

922
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: interested to see because I do think the range of

923
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: outcomes is huge. I've always been a Dak guy, but

924
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: this could go horribly or he could be back in

925
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: the MVP mix. I really don't know what to expect,

926
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: and that that's why I find him so interesting.

927
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, not to be two.

928
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: You know, the Cowboys drive content, but the league is

929
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: better when Dak Prescott is good. When the Cowboys offense

930
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: is better because Dak plays such a cool, cerebral, precise,

931
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: you know, pocket passing, dice you up style of offense

932
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 3: that leads to some really good games against some really

933
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 3: good defenses against which other teams and other offenses struggle, right,

934
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: because he's pretty different stylistically than some of the other

935
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: quarterbacks on the other top offenses. And so yes, I

936
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: love a good Dak season. I love a We actually

937
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 3: have a wide receiver two question mark in George Pickens

938
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: for the first time in a while. I don't think

939
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 3: you can set your watch to George Pickens, but the

940
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 3: theory is there behind having a good wide receiver two.

941
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 3: I'm terrified of the running game, but maybe the officive

942
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: line is so good that it doesn't matter who's receiving

943
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 3: the football. So yeah, I'm I'm hoping for and I

944
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 3: think we all benefit from good death coming back.

945
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: Its great. It's a very well taken point.

946
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty three was eighteen months ago where we were

947
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: like MVP no and nowviously the forgotten man.

948
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: Right, and I was thinking about like He's had such

949
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: a strange career. He has timed and I'm not saying

950
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: this was like on purpose by him, but he has

951
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: timed his contract pushes like amazingly well, like he plays

952
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: his best right when he needed needed that money, and

953
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: that like his rookie season, you could have told me

954
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: anything was gonna happen in his career.

955
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: He got MVP.

956
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: Votes a couple at least he was like buried, but

957
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: he got p votes in that rookie season. All right,

958
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: give me another quarterback. Let's say we got one.

959
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: Or two left interested in Bonix for twenty twenty five.

960
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 2: Yees, well that was my next one.

961
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

962
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: And I've been cast incorrectly by Broncos fans as a

963
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 3: Bonux hater.

964
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 4: That is inaccurate. It has not been the case.

965
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: They cast everyone in that in that bucket unless you

966
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: just like bow to them.

967
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: What is it with you Broncos fans?

968
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 3: Very very bellicost, very pugnacious group of fans. Don't know

969
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: what's in the air there in Colorado. However, I liked

970
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: Bonix a lot in the draft. Is like a game

971
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: manager type. I really wouldn't have liked taking him at

972
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 3: twelve overall. They took him at twelve overall, they play

973
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 3: him in the first month of the season. He's making

974
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 3: mistakes thrown in the middle of the field, he's overwhelmed

975
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: in the pocket, he's not good against pressure, and the

976
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: arms is a problem for him down the field. And

977
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 3: what do they do. They reduce his role in the offense.

978
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 3: Right from weeks one through eight to then the back

979
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: half of the season, he went from thrown behind line

980
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: of scrimmage twenty five percent of the time to thirty

981
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: three percent of the time. His aery yard dropped seven

982
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 3: point nine to six point six, time to throw drop

983
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 3: three point one to two point nine. They said, Hey,

984
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 3: a little bit more pointing, a little bit more shooting,

985
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: and especially like kind of in the zero to ten

986
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 3: yard or really the negative five to ten yard area

987
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 3: of the field. We're going to kind of minimize how

988
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 3: much decision making we want you to have and how

989
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 3: many opportunities want do you have to push the ball.

990
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 3: That really helped the offense and you saw us as

991
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 3: confidence grow. You think about that Bengals game at the

992
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: end of the season, right there were returns to the

993
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 3: intermediate stuff, return of the down stuff that was better

994
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 3: than the first time around, because he was just a

995
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: lot more confident because the offense was a little bit

996
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: more balanced, and they they had defenses in a bind.

997
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: If there's going to be a year two jump, it's

998
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 3: not going to because they're taking more things off his plate.

999
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 3: It's going to because they're putting some stuff back on there.

1000
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: And in year two and you know, full NFL offseason

1001
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 3: or whatever, it's reasonable to expect that he's more comfortable

1002
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 3: with that than he was last season.

1003
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: So I'm hoping for Bo Nicks being more than the

1004
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 4: game manager that I thought he would be.

1005
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: I thought for last year was a very good proof

1006
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: of concept that hey, he can point and shoot for

1007
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: the Champagne offense. Your tube are going to learn if

1008
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: he can be anything beyond that.

1009
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he was in effective throw down the field.

1010
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: And that's where like the Breeze comparisons don't totally make sense.

1011
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: But winning with Sean Payton in a highly disciplined timing

1012
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: offense where the timing and the accuracy kind of overcome

1013
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: any physical limitations, that is a similarity that I think

1014
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: Nicks has with Breeze. The difference in Knicks's rookie year

1015
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: was just that he he never really got over crumbling

1016
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: under pressure, but he is playing behind one of the

1017
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: better offensive lines in the league and one of the

1018
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: the better coached offensive lines in league. Shout out to

1019
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, who just he knows how to find not

1020
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: only the right offensive lineman and the right scheme, but

1021
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: like the right offensive line coach. I think it's Zach Streef,

1022
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: like he just brings them in and they're just they're

1023
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: just a great unit. And I think it's the Broncos fans.

1024
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: It's a combination of I feel like the every off season.

1025
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: I think the Bears are very similar. They have like

1026
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: the most positive local coverage and so you just believe

1027
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: it every single season. And it hadn't been going felt

1028
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: well for a while, but last time it actually did

1029
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: go well and it was happening yeah, and so then

1030
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: they can just stick it in all the haters' faces.

1031
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: But I gotta admit like hearing Sean Payton's confidence and

1032
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: everyone in that building's confidence. I don't know if they're

1033
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: just speaking into an existence, but man, they talk about

1034
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: bo Nicks like, all right, we've got our top ten

1035
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: quarterback forever, and just the way Sean Payton in this

1036
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: team has just been leading with their chess out all

1037
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: off season. Does make me like worried about being wrong

1038
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: about them.

1039
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: But that's I'm always thing where it's like watch the film,

1040
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: you know, look through the information. You know, Champagne's telling

1041
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: you what he believes about Bonex on a microphone, and

1042
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: then he's telling you what he believes about Bonex in

1043
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: terms of how he's calling plays. And we walked out

1044
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 3: of of the bye week I want to say it

1045
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: was week ten or something like that, and we're just

1046
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: throwing every single swing screen of Marvin Mims that we

1047
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 3: can dream up, and that's telling you something about his quarterback.

1048
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: Where his offense is at now, Rgie, Harvey, Pat Bryant.

1049
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: They've added some pieces and again your two Bonex. I

1050
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: think it's reasonable to expect him to get it more

1051
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 3: on his plate. But Champagne told you what he thought

1052
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 3: about Bonex and his rookie year. He might have ideas

1053
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 3: for him year two, year three, but he told you

1054
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 3: what he thought about him.

1055
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 4: He really did.

1056
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the argument for Knicks certainly is yeah, he

1057
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: came into the league with with like a lot of experience,

1058
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: but he is a quarterback who along with his coach,

1059
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: is going to take all the information that they got

1060
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 1: from last year and really could be a much more

1061
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: consistent quarterback this season, focusing in on his strength. And

1062
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: there is absolutely a path to him being like a

1063
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: top twelve type of quarterback this year, which is wild

1064
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 1: and proving us all wrong. And they've already gotten pretty

1065
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: far along that path. All Right, I'm gonna pick one

1066
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: more guy I could. We've talked Penix a lot on

1067
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: this off season, so I'm not going to us.

1068
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 4: Has done JJ or Pennix, So I feel like the conversation.

1069
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: I think part of that is just though that I've

1070
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: talked about them a lot, and I thought this would

1071
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: be a good exercise to like talk about some guys

1072
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: we haven't as much on this show, like Joe Burrow,

1073
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: who to me made a major step up. Is another

1074
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: uh option of like the top guys that I find

1075
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: very interesting. Jordan love Is is so box office and

1076
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: so up and down. He's interesting. This is a long

1077
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: way of me, you know, just giving him some honorable

1078
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: mentions before talking about Kyler Murray because I'm I'm just

1079
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: endlessly fascinated about his career and the year two step

1080
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: up in this system didn't really happen. I always think

1081
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: like he doesn't necessarily and I think about him and

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence similarly. He doesn't always necessarily have the natural

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00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: feel of like what levers to pull and what buttons

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00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: to like you turn up and in a given game

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00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: in terms of what he's seen in everything, and so

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00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: that might always hold him back. And even at the

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00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: end of last year saying I got to run more.

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00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: I got he's been dialing back. I got to run more.

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Speaker 1: I don't need to run as much like his whole career,

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00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: and so that natural feel, I don't know if you

1091
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: can fix that. But it's year three in this offense.

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00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: It's good weapons around him. I like the coaching staff overall,

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00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: and I think it's go time. I do think they've

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00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: had so much faith in him. This is a year

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00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: for him to really deliver on that faith in a

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00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: more consistent level. Or I think he's going to be

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00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: on the trade block next year because he's obviously a

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00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: good enough NFL quarterback. He is absolutely a talented starting

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00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback. But I do think this organization might think

1100
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: after this year, if there's no progress, that like, let's

1101
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Speaker 1: see what we can get for him. I do think

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00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: he's kind of entering that season.

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Speaker 3: And if you were, if you are John Gannon, this

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00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: would be year three for you. If you are Monty

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00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: asp for as the year three for you. And you

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00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: finish end of the season, you're nine to eight, you

1107
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: missed the playoffs. Then you start saying to yourself, do

1108
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 3: I make a Kyler Murray move so as to keep

1109
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 3: my seat for the next couple of years? Right, And like,

1110
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 3: you know, try to know there they Carl's gonna make

1111
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 3: playoffs this year, right, like for Kyler, for Dan and

1112
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 3: for Monty. If you want to, like, you know, keep

1113
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 3: this nucleus in place. You have the top ten pick

1114
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 3: a wide receiver, Marvin Harrison. You have the top ten

1115
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: pick a tackle, Baris Johnson. Like this is it is

1116
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: how it's supposed to be built. Like let's let's let's

1117
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 3: get some fruit for our effort here, right, let's reap

1118
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: what we've sown now.

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Speaker 4: And so I agree, I think Kyler is good enough.

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Speaker 3: But I also do think right stylistically, you play Kyler's

1121
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: way or the highway, and that has been a challenge

1122
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 3: for the Cardinals to coach around. Has been the challenge

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00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: for the Cardinals weapons to work with over the course

1124
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: of the last couple of years. You just go watch

1125
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 3: you some Marvin Harrison back shoulder balls. You just get

1126
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: a sense of Kyler's unwillingness to kind of throw some

1127
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: of these contested balls and his difficulty seeing these routes

1128
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: open up. And it's like, all right, like there is there.

1129
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 3: It feels like there's a ceiling on a Kyler Murray offense.

1130
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: I would love to see that ceiling broken. It feels

1131
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 3: like they have the weapons and the offensive mines to

1132
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 3: do so. But let's say, hey, you got to see

1133
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: it before you believe.

1134
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: It, right, He's someone that like if you just dropped them.

1135
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: I guess you could say this about a life quarterbacks,

1136
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: but if you could drop him in Philadelphia or something,

1137
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 1: so like, I would just love to see that you

1138
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: or or a different offense. But he doesn't have that.

1139
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: And I mentioned that I like the weapons, but that

1140
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: assumes a pretty big jump from Marvin Harrison to really

1141
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: be that like co Number one with Trey McBride, who

1142
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: I kind of see as like the fulcrum of this offense,

1143
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: and then the other guys like Torch and Michael Wilson

1144
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: kind of fall into places as a supplementary. Guys, you're

1145
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: you're a lead guy, Ben Sole, Like, what do you

1146
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: got coming up this offseason? You're I know, during the season,

1147
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,959
Speaker 1: you're writing. You're on weekly on the Meta Coimes Show

1148
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: featuring Lenny Tough that he gets billing above you, but

1149
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: you know he.

1150
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: Is as featuring Benny and there was a typo on

1151
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 3: the on the on the on the graphics. But yeah,

1152
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: I'm not. We're writing during the off seasons per usual.

1153
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 3: I have the the ultimate NFL draft coming out, I

1154
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 3: want to say next week, which is the best pick

1155
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 3: at all picks picks one. Oh yeah, so we got

1156
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: we got the good goof off season content coming out.

1157
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: The training camp stories will start coming out pretty soon.

1158
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 3: So you know, if you're reading NFL content in July,

1159
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: which you should not be, but.

1160
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: If you are, you should be. You should be. I

1161
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: love that sort of stuff.

1162
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: And I love when when Ben pops up with his

1163
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: uh his big fishing pictures, because you know, maybe he's

1164
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: not the biggest quarterback around, but he's a real man

1165
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,280
Speaker 1: just catching big old fish right here.

1166
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 4: It's very it's very good. It's it's a nice, solid

1167
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 4: that gives you a decent amount of shade.

1168
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: That is a preposterous prop.

1169
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: Everyone check it out on the YouTube show like subscribe

1170
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: and then comment about that fishing hat.

1171
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Speaker 2: Thank you Ben, Thank Greg.

1172
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Speaker 1: All right, thank you to Ben, and uh, thanks to

1173
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: everyone basically that has been listening over the last year

1174
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: since we dropped this NFL Daily. I'm going to bring

1175
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: in my producer here, Eric Roberts. Uh, you've been working

1176
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: double time over time to deliver the listeners some good

1177
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 1: content in this dead time. We have the top twenty

1178
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: five players of the last twenty five years. I know

1179
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: you and Gavin and Chris Babona have been doing like

1180
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: double the amount of episodes over the last few weeks.

1181
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Speaker 2: So tell me what you think.

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Speaker 1: Give me the pitch for top twenty five players of

1183
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: the last twenty five years.

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Speaker 5: It's one. I want you to listen to it. It's

1185
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 5: gonna be six episodes, yeah, you know, four at a time,

1186
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 5: five at a time, third of time as we work

1187
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 5: our way to the final you know, crescendo of a

1188
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 5: year of NFL Daily. Yes, it was a great project,

1189
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Speaker 5: fun stuff to look back on. Chris who has took

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Speaker 5: this project by the horns a younger guy. It was

1191
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Speaker 5: fun to like go back through the NFL aughts with him, Yes,

1192
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Speaker 5: and it was cool to look back. I mean, I'm

1193
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Speaker 5: not trying to give away any.

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Speaker 1: Of the players, you know, you know, it's fine, It's fine,

1195
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: you can give away some. So that's going to be

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Speaker 1: starting on Monday. Mina Kimes is our first episode and

1197
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Speaker 1: Steve Weisch is going to be our second. We have

1198
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Speaker 1: Brian Baldinger, we have Nate Bill Barnwall. Kevin Harlan did

1199
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Speaker 1: an episode that was really exciting. So it's like some

1200
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Speaker 1: of my favorite football minds and I love this stuff

1201
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: and I thought it would be a fun way to

1202
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: look back on this century. I've been covering the NFL

1203
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: since two thousand and three, so basically that this whole

1204
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: time and think about the very best of the best

1205
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: and put them in order. And oh, by the way,

1206
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Speaker 1: also give us a little bit of a break. Eric,

1207
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: we're putting this up and I'm as excited about these

1208
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: episodes as any that we've done over the last year.

1209
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Speaker 2: So it's not really a break for the listener.

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Speaker 1: But we started July ninth, I believe, for NFL Daily,

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Speaker 1: and we've been cranking since you've been keeping track, like

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Speaker 1: how many episodes? Yes, so we've done two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty two episodes of NFL Daily in one calendar year. Basically,

1214
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Speaker 1: I know those top twenty fives will kind of extend

1215
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Speaker 1: past the calendar year marks.

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Speaker 5: Okay, but everything has been recorded. Two hundred and fifty

1217
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 5: two episodes, recaps, Sundays, Mondays, Tuesdays, previews. Two hundred and

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Speaker 5: fifty two episodes in one calendar year.

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Speaker 2: Not quite daily. I know it's in the title. I

1220
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: know you love the daily part of our all that

1221
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: show title. Well, we got the weekends.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's a lot of football in one calendar.

1223
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got the weekends. We weren't counting the weekends.

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Speaker 1: And frankly, once the season starts, we're doing about six

1225
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: episodes a week, and we will let you know. We

1226
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: have some really exciting announcements about what we're doing for

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00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five regular season that that's coming. All

1228
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Speaker 1: your favorite people, of course, Patrick Claybahn and Steve Weiss

1229
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: and Jordan Rodrieg and Colleen Wolf and Nick Shook, everyone

1230
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: is going to be back and we're cranking up the

1231
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: content and we will be back doing daily episodes responding

1232
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Speaker 1: on the news of the day starting July twenty first,

1233
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Speaker 1: but we'll have some of these twenty five players in

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Speaker 1: twenty five years episodes in the meantime, and Jordan might

1235
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Speaker 1: pop into the feed too while I am over in Japan.

1236
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to say thanks to you, Eric for

1237
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: doing everything over this last year, and to Chris and

1238
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: Gavin too, assisting of course Randy Schavez, who's no longer

1239
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: working because he moved on to a great job. And

1240
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Speaker 1: more than anything, thanks to the listeners for listening.

1241
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 2: So it's not.

1242
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: Goodbye because I'll be in the feed, but it really

1243
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: has meant like everything to me and my family. Everything

1244
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: that happened transitioning from around the NFL to this NFL

1245
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: daily like it was absolutely difficult and exciting and everything,

1246
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 1: and to get through this one year has been awesome,

1247
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to thank everyone that's been listening

1248
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: and watching.

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Speaker 2: Just all the best. So yeah, we will be.

1250
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: Back on Monday. And that's the mean of Kimes episode. Well,

1251
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 1: we got some controversial picks here. Not sure how Chiefs fans,

1252
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: Ravens fans, how everyone's going to feel about it. So unfortunately,

1253
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: football is not back but NFL daily is always to

1254
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: be back in your feet and see in a few minutes.

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm