1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Hey everybody. Before we get started today, we want to 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: make sure everyone knows about our upcoming live shows. First up, 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: Holly will be at Salt Lake Comic Con September one, three. 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: I won't be able to make it to that one, 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: so past guest and friend of the show, Brian Young 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: will be talking with her about Lawn Cheney. Then on 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: October six am, we will be appearing as part of 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: New York Comic Con Presents and we'll be talking about 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: the first comic book. You can find out more information 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: on all of this ticket links everything like that if 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: you go to Missed in History dot com and click 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: the link that says live shows. Welcome to steph you 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: missed in History class from how Stuff Works dot com. 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tray C. V. 15 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Frying. Today we are going to 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: finish out our podcast on a mean Pasha who was 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: born Edward Schnitzer and spent his childhood in university years 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: in Prussia before leaving for the Ottoman Empire to practice 19 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: medicine and eventually work in a number of government positions. 20 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: Where we left off last time, he had become the 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: governor of Equatoria and what's now South Sudan. We only 22 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: really have European perspectives on his time as governor. From 23 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: that point of view, he handled his position with thoughtfulness 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: and compassion, while also trying to reform the province and 25 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: carry out a range of scientific study at the same time. 26 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: In the biography I Mean Pasha his life and work, 27 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: George Schweitzer wrote, quote, under a means auspices, Equatorial Territory 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: was guided into unexpected paths of order and prosperity. But 29 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: then things took a really dramatic turn in the eighteen eighties, 30 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: leading Henry Morton Stanley, who was famous for having done 31 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: a similar journey to find Dr David Livingston and lets 32 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: the Stanley mounting a relief expedition to go find him. 33 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: So that so we're going to talk about today Stanley's 34 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: a Mean Pasha relief expedition unfolded in the context of 35 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: the Scramble for Africa. He and other explorers had returned 36 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: from expeditions into Africa in the mid to late nineteenth 37 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: century and described it as a place of immense natural wealth, 38 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: including lumber, ivory, rubber, gold, copper, and diamonds. In places 39 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: the land was also incredibly fertile, suitable for establishing expansive plantations. 40 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: These same explorers also described the African people as uncivilized and, 41 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: in their words, savage. Parts of the continent, particularly western 42 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: and Central Africa, were also still reeling from the effects 43 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: of the Transatlantic slave trade, which we talked about a 44 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: bit more in Part one. The industrial Revolution hadn't really 45 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 1: affected a lot of the continent, and from a European perspective, 46 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: that sort of industry is a hallmark of how sophisticated 47 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: and intelligent a society was. So since that industry wasn't there, 48 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 1: obviously that place was worse. Yeah. So, even though the 49 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: continent of Africa was home to an immensely diverse collection 50 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: of people's and nations, speaking thousands of languages, and full 51 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: of unique and complex social systems with their own art 52 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: and music and technology. To the European I the civilized 53 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: world should save it from Africans and then use African 54 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: labor to cheaply carry out what they thought would clearly 55 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: be a superior plan for industry and agriculture. As a result, 56 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: in the eighteen seventies and eighteen eighties, multiple European nations 57 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: began aggressively trying to colonize the African continent. This land 58 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: grab led to increasing tensions among the various European powers 59 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: of involved, but at the same time they didn't want 60 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: to actually go to war with each other over it. 61 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: But that eventually reached the point that the Berlin West 62 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: Africa Conference was convened from no fifteen eighty four to 63 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: February eighty five. Assembled at the request of Portugal, the 64 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: Berlin West Africa Conference brought Great Britain, France, Germany, Portugal, 65 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: and King Leopold the Second of Belgium together to work 66 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: out who should have which territory around the Congo River basin. 67 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: While the Berlin West Africa Conference didn't directly affect the 68 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: rest of the continent, it did lay the groundwork for 69 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: nations to apply the same basic ideas of partition and 70 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: colonization to other parts of Africa as well. Meanwhile, the 71 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: peoples of Africa had no representation or voice in this process, 72 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: or any real input into the colonization that followed. While 73 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: some colonial conquests did take place by force, others were 74 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 1: carried out with very little physical conflict for a variety 75 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: of reasons. Sometimes it was just obvious that the colonizing 76 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: force had much greater numbers and superior firepower, so it 77 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: seemed to make a lot more sense to just save 78 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: everybody's life lives and accept the terms. But sometimes African 79 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: leaders thought that this would be sort of a temporary measure, 80 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: one that might bring new developments and resources that would 81 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:15,239 Speaker 1: ultimately be beneficial for them. By nineteen fourteen, European powers 82 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: controlled all of Africa apart from Liberia and Abyssinia, also 83 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: known as the Ethiopian Empire. Abyssinia maintained its independence, while 84 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: Liberia had been established by the American Colonization Society as 85 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: a home for free black people and former slaves from 86 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: the United States. Liberia declared independence on July eighteen forty seven. 87 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: The scramble for Africa fed into an uprising that directly 88 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: affected Amin Pasha's work as governor of Equatoria. In the 89 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: late nineteenth century, Sudan had been under Egyptian rule, but 90 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy six, due to financial mismanagement and an 91 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: overly aggressive modernization campaign, as Egypt was in so much 92 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: debt that it had to declare bankrupt. See, they should 93 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: have just made a mean Passia in charge of all that, 94 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: and it would have been fine that it does. He 95 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: carried that off Britain and France took control of Egypt's 96 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: economy in Britain eventually invaded and occupied the nation in 97 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty two. With all of this going on, none 98 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: of the nations involved paid much attention to what was 99 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: happening in Sudan to the south. Many of Sudan's local 100 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: population were vastly dissatisfied with the colonial government. They were 101 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: tired of being exploited by European powers, didn't feel particularly 102 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: connected even to Egypt, which was their neighbor. One particular man, 103 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: Mohammed Ahmad ibn al Said Abdallah, was a mystic and 104 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: an ascetic who was gathering disciples as early as eighteen seventy, 105 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: and after a series of religious visions, Mohammed Ahmad proclaimed 106 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: himself to be the Mighty on June twenty nine, eight one. 107 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: In Islam, the Mahdi is essentially a divinely guided redeemer 108 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: who is sent to bring justice to the world, restore 109 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: the purity of Islam, and rule humanity before judgment day. 110 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: It's often translated as the guided One. As with any religion, 111 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: Different people and sects have very different interpretations. How to 112 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: consider both the Mahdi and Judgment Day, Muhammada Mad's interpretation 113 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: was relatively violent and apocalyptic. He started encouraging an armed 114 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: overthrow of the colonial government and raised an army to 115 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: that end, hoping to establish an Islamic nation. Today, there 116 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: are a lot of accounts, especially ones that are written 117 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: in recent years, that frame this as calling for jahad, 118 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: using the Arabic word for struggle. But English use of 119 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: the word jahad's i mean holy war is actually fairly new, 120 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: with its first appearance in writing according to the Oxford 121 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: English Dictionary in eighteen sixty nine. Although Islam as a 122 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: religion uses the concept of jahad in the context of 123 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: a lot of internal and external struggles that aren't violent 124 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: at all, a lot of non Muslims today interpret the 125 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: word jahad only as meaning holy war, that is not 126 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: at all. How contemporaneous accounts described this like I did 127 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: not find the word jihad used anywhere in any of 128 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: the primary sources that I read that were written at 129 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: the time. Instead, authorities in Egypt and Sudan described this 130 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: as an uprising or a revolt and we're going to 131 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: talk all about how this uprising played out after we 132 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: first paused for a bit of a sponsor break. At first, 133 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: Egyptian and Sudanese authorities didn't take this uprising, which became 134 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: known as the Modest Uprising, particularly seriously. This was in 135 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: spite of learnings from I Mean Pasha, who at the 136 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: time had the title of bay during this During his 137 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: time in Equatoria, he had really pay scrupulous attention to 138 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: all the various political and social and religious issues that 139 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: were playing out in the area. He not only pointed 140 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: out that conditions were right for this uprising to become 141 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: something serious, but he also offered to go and negotiate 142 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: himself instead. Rove Pasha, then Governor General of Sudan, dispatched 143 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: a man named Abu Saud. Abusu knew Mohammed Ahmad, so 144 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: the idea was that he could talk to him personally 145 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: and convince him to stop his anti government agitation and 146 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: then come with him back to the capitol. Instead, Abusau 147 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: deployed an armed detail to bring in Mohammed Ahmad by force, 148 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: at which point the Modest Force wiped out the detail 149 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: and came away with all of their weapons. The Modest 150 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: Force continued to grow from there, with people joining it 151 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: for a whole range of social and political and religious reasons. 152 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: Because Egypt was still essentially part of the Ottoman Empire, 153 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: Muslims were pretty well represented in the colonial government. I mean, 154 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: the Ottoman Empire was an Islamic empire, but only the 155 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: most affluent and best educated people actually had a voice 156 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: in the government, so a lot of people felt really excluded. 157 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: Some Muslims also wanted an exclusively Muslim state that was 158 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: governed directly under Islamic law. Slave traders joined the Modest 159 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: Force as well, under pressure from European allies, particularly Britain. 160 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: Colonial governments had tried to implement an immediate, across the 161 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: board abolition of slavery, so slave traders hoped that an 162 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: overthrow of the colonial government would allow the practice of 163 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: slavery to resume, and what eventually became known as the 164 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: Modest War or the Modest Revolution. This force defeated multiple 165 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: well armed Egyptian units between eighteen eighty one and eighteen 166 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: eighty three, including slaughtering a force of nearly eight thousand 167 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: men under the command of General William Hicks, and in 168 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty five, they lay siege to the Sudanese capital 169 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: of Khartoum. Major General Charles George Gordon, Amin Pasha's former 170 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: employer and the former governor of Equatoria, was actually killed 171 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: in this siege against Muhammed Ahmad's orders. After taking Khartoum, 172 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: the Modest Force abandoned it and moved on to Omdurman. 173 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: Both Khartoum and Omdurman were well to the north of 174 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: Equatoria and Amin Pasha's capital at Lado. While the province 175 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: had seen some violence overall, these years had been more 176 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: of a watchful wait. However, Britain's withdrawal cleared the way 177 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: for the Modest Force to continue to take over the 178 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: rest of Sudan and into other provinces, including Equatoria. Britain's 179 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: withdrawal also cut off Aman Pasha's lines of communications with 180 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: the whole rest of the world. One of the last 181 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: communications that Amine received was a letter from new Bar Pasha, 182 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: who was the Prime Minister of Egypt, acknowledging that the 183 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: monarch was abandoning Sudan and would be unable to offer 184 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: him any further assistance. In this letter, Amine was given 185 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: unlimited freedom of action and assurances that if he decided 186 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: it would be best to retreat back to Egypt, efforts 187 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: would be made to work with various tribes between his 188 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: position and the border to assure his safe passage. And regardless, 189 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: he was given total carte blanche to take care of 190 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: himself and his garrisons. Hey, we're basically like, we can't 191 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: help you see whatever you need. And that was the 192 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: end of that. So for a while, I mean stayed put. 193 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: But eventually the modest takeover started to put more and 194 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: more pressure on the province of Equatoria. I mean, though 195 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: did not want to leave. Not only was this his 196 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: home now, but he knew that leaving it behind was 197 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: going to undo all that work that he had put 198 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: into it during his years as governor, which we talked 199 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: about in Part one. Eventually, though he really didn't feel 200 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: like he had any other choice, the situation became just 201 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: too dangerous. He evacuated south to Waddle and you got 202 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: to near Lake Albert. Amine had visited Uganda a number 203 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: of times and had tried to establish friendly relationships with 204 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: local leaders, so he wasn't wholly unfamiliar with the land 205 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: or its people. He quickly sent emissaries to the local 206 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: tribal leaders that he knew, as well as writing letters 207 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: to officials in Zanzibar in Egypt, even though he wasn't 208 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: particularly hopeful that those missives would get through. When he 209 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: did try to write to people anywhere else, he tried 210 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: to reassure the rest of the world that he was fine. 211 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,239 Speaker 1: In a letter data January seven, he said, quote, respecting 212 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: my plans for the future, I can only repeat that 213 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: I am fully determined to stay, and even assuming that 214 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: no help comes and the province slowly goes to pieces, 215 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 1: I shall remain steadfast to the end. It is perfectly 216 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: clear to me with that with my motley crowd, a 217 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: journey right across Uganda and over the lake is an impossibility. 218 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: He went on to say that they were building new 219 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: boats and repairing their steamers and so quote their need 220 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 1: be no anxiety on our account. Basically, he wanted to 221 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: keep everyone who had evacuated with him, which included a 222 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: lot of the residents of the former Equatorian capital, together 223 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: and safe. So he got to work doing a lot 224 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: of the same things that he'd been doing in Equatoria, 225 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: establishing crops, improving roads, and trying to see to the 226 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: needs of the people he was still essentially governing. He 227 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: also offered as much aid as he could to neighboring tribes, 228 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: and the entire time continued on with his work as 229 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: a naturalist and anthropologist. This definitely was not easy. They 230 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: were essentially starting over as refugees, and they only had 231 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: what they had managed to carry out of Equatoria. At 232 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: one point, they lost several of their huts and a 233 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: lot of their provisions and a fire. Illnesses were common, 234 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: including a smallpox epidemic, and the region was also home 235 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: to a species of fly whose bites tended to cause 236 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: fevers and alterations. At some point, and the timeline is 237 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: not exactly clear, Amen had married an Abyssinian woman who 238 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: became ill in late February of seven and died on 239 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: March sixth of that year. The two of them had 240 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: a daughter, Farita, as well as a son who died 241 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: around the same time as his mother. Outside of Uganda, 242 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: nobody had any idea that any of this was going on. 243 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: Nobody in Europe or anywhere else in Africa had gotten 244 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: any word from Iman Pasha at all since the fall 245 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: of Khartoum. That changed when Dr Wilhelm Yunker, an explorer 246 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: and scientist, made his way to the eastern coast of Africa. 247 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: Yunker had been with a Mean in Equatoria for quite 248 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: some time and knew about the decision to retreat south. 249 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: He gave a much different read on a means attitude, 250 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: describing a Means last statement to him as quote, we 251 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: shall hold out until we obtain help or until we perish. 252 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: It sounds a lot more fatalistic than the letter that 253 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: he wrote. UH. And with this uh statement from doctor Younger, 254 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: the world decided that the Mean Pasha needed to be rescued, 255 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: and that is what we were going to talk about 256 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: after a sponsor break. As words spread that a Mean 257 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: Pasha was cut off from the rest of the world 258 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: and needed to be rescued, multiple organizations started trying to 259 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: organize and fund a relief expedition to either go get 260 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: him or to bring him provisions and supplies. Eventually, explorer 261 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: and journalist Henry Morton Stanley, who was already made famous 262 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: by his expedition to find Dr David Livingstone, was tapped 263 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: to do this, and there is already an episode on 264 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: this famous meeting between Stanley and Livingston, which is in 265 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: our archive, and we're actually going to be re airing 266 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: it as our next Saturday Classic. The Amin Pasha relief 267 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: expedition was funded by private support, the Egyptian government and 268 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: King Leopold, the second of Belgium. King Leopold's activities in 269 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: Africa could and probably at some point will be an 270 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: entire other episode of the show, but very briefly. Uh 271 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: He became interested in the Congo region of Africa during 272 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: Stanley's exploration there in the mid eighteen seventies, and on 273 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: February five, eighty five, he established the Congo Free State 274 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: as his personal possession under his private ownership rather than 275 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: a colony of Belgium. Leopold's rule over the Congo Free 276 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: State is now notorious for brutality, exploitation, and all manner 277 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: of human rights abuses. Malnutrition and disease were rampants, as 278 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: well as the use of forced labor on rubber and 279 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: palm oil plantations. So Leopold definitely had ulterior motives here, 280 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: and these motives were one reason why Stanley did not 281 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 1: take a remotely direct route to where a Mean Pasha 282 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: was believed to be. Instead, he set out on a 283 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: meandering route that would allow him to try to open 284 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: up more of the Congo to Leopold's control. Along the way, 285 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: there are also reports that he was on an ivory hunt, 286 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: so definitely not just about going to get a mean pasha. 287 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: The expedition arrived at Banana Point on the Congo coast 288 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: on March seven. Three months later, he arrived in Yambua, 289 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: departing from there with an advanced column made up of 290 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: three eighty three Africans and six Europeans. He left a 291 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: rear guard behind, which was made of two d sixty 292 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: five Africans and five Europeans for both the advance and 293 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 1: the rear columns. This expedition went incredibly badly. Illness, including malaria, roundworm, 294 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: tape worm, and gastro intestinal issues were rampant. So was malnutrition, 295 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: as well as an epidemic of burrowing fleas that led 296 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: to ulcerations and amputations. There's some speculation that cattle brought 297 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: with the advanced guard into Uganda spread an epidemic of 298 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: sleeping sickness there by Stanley's own admission the expedition and 299 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: caused the deaths of at least one thousand people, mostly 300 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: Africans employed as soldiers reporters, but also people that he 301 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: described as quote belligerent natives. For the Rear Column, it 302 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: was worse, a lot, a lot worse like It's one 303 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: of the possible inspirations for Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness. 304 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: That level of worse. Most of its officers died or 305 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: were killed, and a lot of the African porters either 306 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: starved to death or died from eating poisonous food. Stories 307 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: of humanitarian horrors were rampant. They are also touched on 308 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: in the past episode on Stanley and Livingstone. That will 309 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: be our next Saturday classics, so I don't really feel 310 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: they need to repeat the worst of them here. It 311 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: was awful. In December seven, the Advanced Column finally made 312 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: it to Lake Albert, almost eight months after having set 313 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: off from Banana Point. Stanley was too sick to continue 314 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: and sent an officer to look for a mean posh Ah. 315 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: They also eventually gathered up what was left of the 316 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: Rear Guard. While he was waiting, Stanley received a letter 317 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: from a mean giving a more precise account of where 318 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,719 Speaker 1: he could be found, and so he sent a team 319 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: to retrieve him. On April, the team found a mean 320 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: Pasha on April and returned to Stanley with him On 321 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: the twenty nine. They drank a bunch of champagne to celebrate. 322 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,959 Speaker 1: But the Iman Pasha Relief Expedition was not at this 323 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: point actually able to offer a mean Pasha any relief 324 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: in a mean Pasha his life and work. It was 325 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: described this way quote, A collection of famine stricken, tattered, 326 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: worn and exhausted men brought him thirty four cases of ammunition, 327 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: two bales of half spoiled clothes, and a letter from 328 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: the Cadive. The route taken by this expedition was anything 329 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: but that by which Amene could establish the communication so 330 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: essential to him with the outer world. So yeah, I 331 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: mean Pasha ended up aiding the relief expedition that had 332 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: come to aid him, but he didn't really want to 333 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: be rescued. There had been some talk in the planning 334 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: process and and all of that about whether this exhibition 335 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 1: was meant to resupply a Mean Pasha or to take 336 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: him out of Africa, but Stanley presented him with a 337 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: few options. He could retreat with Stanley to the coast. 338 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: He could continue to be governor but as part of 339 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: the Congo Free State, or he could join up with 340 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: the English East Africa Company and try to take over Uganda. 341 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: Stanley did not tell I mean Pasha about the existence 342 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: of the German East Africa Company, which he might, because 343 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: he was ethnically German, have found appealing. Also didn't tell 344 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: him about the fact that the German East Africa Company 345 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: was also trying to mount its own even pasha relief expedition. 346 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: So of the options offered to him, A mean didn't 347 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: really want to do any of them. All of the 348 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: options that Stanley had presented to him would require him 349 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: to abandon the work that he had been doing for years, 350 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: and to at least some degree, the people that he 351 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: had been living and working with all that time. Yeah, like, 352 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: if he went to be the governor of the Congo 353 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: Free State, he was probably not going to be relocating 354 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: all of these people that he had with him there. 355 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 1: And of course the people that I mean Pasha had 356 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: been governing all this time did not really like any 357 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: of these options either. At one point, his fighting force, 358 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: objecting to the idea of having to leave their home, 359 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: tried to mutiny. Then, when he was returning to waddle 360 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: I on August eighteenth of eight he was captured and 361 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: held prisoner by rebels. It was only after being released 362 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: that he finally relented and agreed to leave the area 363 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: with Stanley. So he the rest of Stanley's surviving straggling 364 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: force and about fifteen hundred others departed on April tenth, 365 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty nine, and they reached the Indian Ocean that December. 366 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: The expedition to relieve a Mean Pasha was supposed to 367 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: take eighteen months, but it instead took a total of 368 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: thirty two, and after all that, Stanley didn't get to 369 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: return to Europe. The hero with a Mean Pasha in 370 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: tow Amine had always been very nearsighted, and in Zanzibar 371 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: he stepped out of a window that he thought led 372 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: onto a balcony during a celebratory dinner, and he cracked 373 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: his skull, and though he did recover, he was too 374 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: seriously hurt to be moved, so Stanley had to return 375 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: to Europe alone. After he recovered, I Mean stayed in Africa. 376 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: He took a job under kaiserville Helm in the second 377 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: working to advance German interests in Central Africa during the 378 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: ongoing scramble for the continent. However, this work did not 379 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: go nearly as well as his governorship of Equa Torrea had. 380 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: While he had been out of the Central Continent, slave 381 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: traders that he had worked so assiduously against had been 382 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: hard at work on their own, turning people against him, 383 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: and then on July one, eight ninety, Britain and Germany 384 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: signed an agreement excluding Lake Albert, which was where he 385 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: was supposed to be working from German control. He continued 386 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: to travel and explore in the Congo region until the 387 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: eighteen nineties, continuing to send his findings and specimens back 388 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: to Western museums. Other explorers and officials sent word back 389 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: to Europe reporting on his whereabouts. On December tenth, a 390 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: doctor Stulmann reported that he was in poor health and 391 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: had lost much of his eyesight. Once again convinced that 392 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: he needed relief, a German force was dispatched to fetch him, 393 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: but when they got to his last known location, he 394 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: was gone. On October eighteen nine two, a mean Pasha 395 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: was assassinated by slave traders who split his throat to 396 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: again quote his obituary quote. Thus perished miserably in the 397 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: wilds of Africa, A man who had devoted many years 398 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: of his life to the cause of African civilization, whose 399 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: scientific work had secured him a foremost place in the 400 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: devoted band, to whose labors we are indebted for our 401 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: knowledge of the dark continent, and whose unselfishness, amiability, and 402 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: strong sense of duty are extolled by all who came 403 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: into contact with him. I feel like that piece of obituary, 404 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: in addition to summing up the fact that a mean 405 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: Pasha seems to have been a generally good guy, he 406 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: was trying to do a good work, also sums up 407 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: racist statitudes about Africa. I mean Pasha's daughter Farita was 408 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: sent to Nissa, where her guardians were a mean sister 409 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: and his colleague George Schweitzer. In eighteen ninety, Henry Morton 410 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: Stanley published a book called In Darkest Africa, or the Quest, 411 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: Rescue and Retreat of I Mean Governor of Equatoria. It 412 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: is a very dramatic account of the relief expedition that 413 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 1: solidified a lot of very racist ideas about the continent 414 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: of Africa. Also, it solidified the idea of Henry Morton 415 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: Stanley being great. Uh. It was a colossal bestseller, But 416 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: that same year the Aborigines Protection Society in London condemned 417 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: the Amin Pasha Relief Expedition, accusing Stanley of committing atrocities 418 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: against the African population. Stanley himself also came under a 419 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: lot of scrutiny as more words spread about the horrors 420 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: of the expedition, particularly the rear columns behavior to return 421 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: briefly to Sudan. Although Mohammed Ahmad died of typhus in 422 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: eighty five, the Modest Force remained in control of much 423 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: of Sudan until the Battle of Omderman on September two, 424 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: and that battle was a decisive victory for the British, 425 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: killing more than ten thousand of the Modest Force, which 426 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: was only fifty thousand, and at that point Britain once 427 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: again established Sudan as an Anglo Egyptian colony. I mean 428 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: Pasha published note books during his lifetime, although he did 429 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: contribute to scientific journals and other publications. After his death, though, 430 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: a number of his friends and colleagues published biographies of 431 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 1: him that drew from and sometimes reprinted these letters and journals. 432 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: A lot of these are available on the Internet now 433 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: they're in the public domain. I kind of wish that 434 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: they had become as widely read as Stanley's book, because 435 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't read literally every single word of 436 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: every journal that he wrote, but I found his descriptions 437 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: of UH life in Africa and the natural world in 438 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: Africa to be written in a more um sort of 439 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: dispassionate and non judge non judgmental way, right as a 440 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: lot of the tone of Stanley's writing is more like, 441 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: oh look how exotic and dangerous Africa is. I'm so great. Well, 442 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: I think you've just explained why they were not so widely. 443 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: Less sensational and more accurate is often not what sells books. Um. 444 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: As we noted earlier, we already have an episode in 445 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: the archive on Stanley's rescue of Dr Livingston that is 446 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,239 Speaker 1: from back when Sarah and Dablina were hosts, and that 447 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: is actually going to be our next Saturday Classics, so 448 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: you get a week of sort of themed stuff. So 449 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: if you hang on til Saturday, you'll get that and 450 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: you can expand your your background knowledge on this topic. 451 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: That does the mean passion. I find him really fascinating, 452 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: and I do definitely wish that we had UH like 453 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: the perspective, more perspectives of local people, because a lot 454 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: of that was not written down by anybody. So it's 455 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: like we sort of have to put a level of 456 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: trust that the people who were writing about him in 457 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: these pretty positive terms were accurately assessing what was going on. 458 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: But from everything I can determine, it does seem as 459 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: though that he was liked and respected and people thought 460 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: that he was doing a pretty good job governing Equatoria 461 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: while he was there. So, uh, do you got some 462 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: listener mail? Yes? I do. This is from Grace. It 463 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: is about our recent episode on the h L Hunley 464 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: and it's called the Sinking of the h L Hunley. 465 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: Admittedly not anything actually to do about that sinking, which 466 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: I find delightful as an email subject line. So Grace says, Hi, 467 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: Tracy and Holly. I am another of your longtime listeners, 468 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: first time writers. I was listening to your latest episode 469 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: when you guys are talking about the blockade runners and 470 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: the fantasy built up around them. I am from Halifax, Nova, Scotia. 471 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: Love for the previous Hosts episode on the explosion. And 472 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: my grandmother was a Kadian who grew up on the coast. 473 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: I grew up hearing similar stories about rum runners. There's 474 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: a cove near my grandmother's childhood home, called Smugglers Cove, 475 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: has a deep cave only accessible by land at low tide. 476 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: Uh it is a It is in the Bay of Fundy. 477 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: The tides are no joke. My favorite was about my 478 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: grandmother's best friend. She was apparently beautiful as a small child, 479 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: and her father, who was in charge of picking up 480 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: the booze from the smugglers and bringing it inland to 481 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: the cities. This is the point at which they were 482 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: most likely to be caught, used to drive the cart 483 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: filled with hidden rum with his pretty daughter right up front. 484 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: They were never stopped in search, probably because they looked 485 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: so but nine. It sounds silly, but there was a 486 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: fair amount of discrimination at the time and for a 487 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: while after against the French speaking minority. So never they 488 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: never stopped, So never being stopped and searched was a 489 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: real feat. I know you guys get told to do 490 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: an episode on the Acadians all the times, is me 491 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: throwing my hat in the ring. But what might be 492 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: more interesting is an episode on where they all went 493 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: after being kicked out the spread of and how some 494 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: came back. And then Grace offers another episode suggestion as well. 495 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Grace. I love this comparison, but 496 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: weeen blockade runners and rum runners. I had not thought 497 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: of that before, but it makes total sense. And I 498 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: also wanted to read this note because yes, the Expulsion 499 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: of the Acadians is definitely on the list. I really 500 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: cannot predict when it might make it to the top 501 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: of the list because there is just a lot of 502 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: cultural knowledge that uh whichever of us um would be 503 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: writing that episode would need to really absorb before we 504 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: could do that all justice. 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