1 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, it's been another packed week. Welcome to BLEEP. 2 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: I'm Ana Navarro. We have a special guest today, Julie K. Brown. 3 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: She's probably the most informed person on the Epstein story, 4 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: the foremost authority, and not only that, there probably would 5 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: be zero accountability and the case would not have been 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: reopened but for Julie Kay Brown. So we talked to 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: Julie earlier this month, following the release of the latest 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: batch of the Epstein files. I think you'll find what 9 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: she says about the history of the case and her 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: insight on the latest file drop to be insightful. But 11 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: since we talked to Julie a few weeks ago, even 12 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: more has come out on the files. Just in the 13 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: last few days, we found out that Trump is in 14 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: the Epstein files in a way we didn't know about. 15 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: We found out that the Justice Department withheld some Epstein 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: files related to the allegations that Trump sexually abused a minor. 17 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: This miner in twenty nineteen sat down for three or 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: four interviews with the FBI, and those pages have somehow 19 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 1: disappeared from the release of the Epstein files. We'll have 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: to have Julie back at some point to talk about 21 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: this in particular. Also, we saw that the royal formerly 22 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: known as Prince Andrew was detained and is being investigated 23 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: in the UK. He's being investigated for having abused his 24 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: powers as Special Envoy Trade Envoy and possibly having shared 25 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: information that he shouldn't have with Jeffrey Epstein. And at 26 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: the same time there was another brit who also was 27 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: detained and is being investigate. He is the former British 28 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: ambassador to the United States, also being investigated for having 29 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 1: shared documents with Epstein. His name is Peter Mandelssohn. And finally, 30 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: something's happening on our side of the pond. There's no prosecution, 31 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: but there's some level of accountability. We learned in recent 32 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: days that Larry Summers, who had been Bill Clinton's Secretary 33 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: of the Treasury, he served as president of Harvard for 34 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: a while and was still teaching there, was still on 35 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: the staff there as an economist. He just resigned from 36 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: Harvard in shame. So good and listen, we cannot let 37 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: go of this story. We just simply can't. It is 38 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: up to us to continue demanding full accountability and the 39 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: release of all the Epstein files. We cannot continue failing 40 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: the survivors of Epstein, like our governments have for four 41 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: consecutive administrations. And that is why for me it was 42 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: so important to talk to Julie, to get the history, 43 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: to go through some of these latest revelations in this 44 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: last batch of files. And so we'll talk to Julie 45 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: right after the break. I asked to come on today, 46 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: a woman who I admire enormously. She is a friend 47 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: of mine, somebody whose career I have followed and supported, 48 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: and who I think knows the most. She is the 49 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: utmost expert on Epstein, which I know is not a 50 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: good thing. In fact, you know what, Not only is 51 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: she the utmost expert, I think Jeffrey Epstein would have 52 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: never been in jail the second time. I think we 53 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: would not have gotten any of these releases if it 54 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: wasn't for Julie K. Brown, investigative reporter of the Miami Herald, 55 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: book author, her book Perversion of Justice is a must read, 56 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: and Julie, let's not waste any time. Welcome, Thanks for 57 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: having me. Julie. Let's break it down a little bit 58 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: because I see you talking a lot, but I don't 59 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: know that people understand just how crucial your involvement in 60 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: this was and leading to where we are now. By 61 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: the time you began investigating, you began investigating, Correct me 62 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: if I'm wrong. You began investigating Epstein in twenty sixteen 63 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: looking into this. That's correct, that's correct. By then, it 64 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: had been almost ten years since he received the sweetheart 65 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: deal from former Labor secretary then yous attorney Alexa Coosta. 66 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: So what put Epstein on your radar screen ten years 67 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: after that? 68 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: Well? I knew about this story, and I had run 69 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: across stories about it before I started investigating it. And 70 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 2: every time I read something about how he somehow got 71 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: away with his crimes even though he had sexually assaulted 72 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: and molested like dozens and dozens of girls, I just 73 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: kept shaking my head, thinking, how does that happen? 74 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: You know? 75 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: So I sort of had the parameters of this story. 76 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: And in twenty sixteen, Trump was running for election, and 77 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: there was news about this lawsuit that had been filed 78 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 2: against him and Epstein by this woman who claimed that 79 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: when she was thirteen she was raped by the two 80 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: of them, And there wasn't a lot of coverage of 81 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 2: this lawsuit in the mainstream media, and I thought, well, 82 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: maybe I should just take a look at this, because 83 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: nobody else is doing it. 84 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: Why not. 85 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 2: So I started with the idea that I was going 86 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: to just see what I could find out, look at 87 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 2: the lawsuit, do one of those kinds of things, just 88 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: take a deep dive into what the allegations were. And 89 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 2: it sort of snowballed because as this woman disappeared, essentially 90 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: after preparing to go public on national TV, she disappeared 91 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: within days of the election and then dropped a lawsuit 92 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: and silence. So that of course made me more suspicious, 93 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: and I thought, you know, maybe I should start taking 94 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 2: a look at this whole Epstein thing, which never really 95 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 2: made sense to me to begin with. 96 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: And Julia, this is this going on at the same time, 97 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: before or after the Me Too movement? 98 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: It's a good question. 99 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: It was. 100 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: I started this investigation before the Me Too movement, but 101 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: I benefited from the fact that the Me Too movement 102 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 2: sort of exploded while I was investigating. And what was 103 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: funny about that is my editor, you know, who backs 104 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 2: me all the time with the work I do. He 105 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: wasn't as excited about the story when I proposed it. 106 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 2: But then the Me Too movement and Larry Nasser, the 107 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: Olympic doctor was you know, the gymnasts, We're on TV 108 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: and he's like, Okay, where's the Epstein's story, you know, 109 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: because it made it more newsworthy. 110 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: How do you begin the research for this story? How 111 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: do you begin contacting the victims, the women now young girls. 112 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: Then well, I thought at the time, as I was 113 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: digging into this, ironically Trump nominated alex Acosta to be 114 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 2: his labor secretary. 115 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: So think about it. 116 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: I'm already deep and looking in this story, and I'm thinking, 117 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, she's nominating alex Acossa. Alex Acossa is 118 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: the Miami US attorney that gave Epstein this sweetheart deal. 119 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, when he goes before the Senate for confirmation, 120 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: they're going to really grill him on this. And as 121 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: it turned out, they really didn't grill him on it, 122 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: and Acosta gave the same pack answers that he always 123 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: gave when he was asked about it, which were really 124 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: non answers. And so I thought at the time I 125 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 2: would just do a story saying he you know these answers, 126 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: and what do these victims? I thought, well, I'm wonder 127 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: what the victims think and I thought, you know, I 128 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: would just do a react story, not a big investigation. 129 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 2: And basically what happened is it was harder than I 130 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: realized to find these girls because all their documents were 131 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: redacted their names, so we didn't know who they were. 132 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: So it was an investigation at that point because I 133 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: had to find them, and that was a long investigation. 134 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: That part of it. It's so unbelievable to me that 135 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: alex Acosta went through a full vetting, went through a 136 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: full Senate investigation and confirmation hearing, and the man who 137 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: gave Jeffrey Epstein the sweetheart deal was questioned. I think 138 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: it was maybe one, maybe two senators, and they were 139 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: rather small parts of the hearing. And you know, I 140 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: know alex Acosta. I knew him then. Remember he was 141 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: dean of the Florida International University Law School. I don't 142 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: think he knew Trump. I actually, I actually think Marco 143 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: Rubio probably suggested him to Trump sight unseen by Trump, 144 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: who owed the Cuban American community that has supported him 145 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: so strongly, always owed them something and gave them this 146 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: cabinet position through alex Acosta. I've always had suspicions of 147 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: why alex Acosta did that sweetheart deal? Do we know? 148 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: Hmm, well, let's just I have to be careful how 149 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: I answer this. I think, no, we don't know. But 150 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: I've gotten a lot of let's say, uh, intelligence or 151 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: information that you know, I've been working on for a 152 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 2: long time. So I don't know. We really don't know 153 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: for sure at this stage. 154 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: And do you feel like he has answered adequately? He 155 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: was in a Senate here, he was at a congressional 156 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: hearing what it was last year. I think he was 157 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: answering questions about this, and I don't feel like he 158 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: answered any questions. 159 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 2: No. And furthermore, he was questioned by the Justice Department 160 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 2: in an investigation right after my series ran I want 161 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: to say twenty twenty or thereabouts. He was questioned, and 162 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: we have the trans the transcripts of that or in 163 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: the or in the etscene files. And if you look 164 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: at those transcripts, that are kind of incredible, because these 165 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: Justice Department investigators are really skeptical of the answers that 166 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: he gave. And you know, for example, at one point, 167 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: he kept referring to the victims as women, and someone 168 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: one of the investigators finally said stop doing that. You know, 169 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: these weren't they girls that were thirteen fourteen, you know, 170 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 2: So there was quite a number of those things where 171 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: they were sort of fact checking him as he was 172 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: trying to answer these questions. 173 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: You know. My theory on this, Julie, is that he 174 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: was as US attorney that was a political appointee. His 175 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: term was coming to an end. He needed his next job. 176 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: He's a very ambitious guy, and I think Epstein was 177 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: represented by some very powerful attorneys who could either provide 178 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: him a job or open doors for him. So I 179 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: think he let ambition get the best of him. And 180 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: I'm glad he lost his job in the cabinet and 181 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: that he's going to have to live with the infamy 182 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: of having been the guy who gave Jeffrey Epstein a 183 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: free pass basically for the rest of his life. But 184 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: one of the things that bothers me, it just bothers 185 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:57,119 Speaker 1: me to no end, is there were so many powerful 186 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: mostly men, mostly men, some women, powerful rich connected mostly men, 187 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: mostly white men, old, old white men who who knew 188 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: or should have known. Because it feels to me like 189 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein never took great efforts in hiding what he 190 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: was doing. In fact, if anything, he used it and 191 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: let people know be in the know and you know, 192 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: be part of the who didn't give a damn, Julie. 193 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: They didn't give a fuck that the guy had been 194 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: molesting and assaulting and harassing and raping and trafficking children. 195 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: How is that possible? How do you are you able 196 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: to reconcile that at all? Are you able to explain 197 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: that at all to yourself? 198 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 2: Well, there's two answers to that question. I would say 199 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: early on, right after he got out of jail, you know, 200 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: which was a thirteen month stint, and then he was 201 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 2: on house arrest. I would say that there's a fair 202 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: argument to be made for people that you know, sort 203 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 2: of associated with him immediately after that happened, because look, 204 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 2: he designed it. He was a he was a maestro. 205 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 2: He and his lawyers designed that deal so that he 206 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: was only charged with solicitation of a prostitution with a 207 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: minor and another solicitation charge. So think about it. He's 208 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: going out there back to his friends and he's saying, oh, 209 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: it was a prostitution charge. I didn't know how old 210 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: she was, it sounded like. And he served his time, 211 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 2: so initially he could have he made that argument, I'm sure, 212 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: But come twenty and eleven and twelve, when all these 213 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: women that's what changed it. All these women started coming 214 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: forward and filing these civil lawsuits against him. You know, 215 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: there was like a hundred women that were starting to 216 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: you know, by that time, the discovery was coming out 217 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: in those civil suits and we were really getting a picture. 218 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: You know. 219 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: The other thing back up that I want to point 220 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: out that's really important that a lot of media people 221 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: don't understand or forget about. When he did that deal, 222 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 2: it was secret. It was sealed. When he went into 223 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: court and did that plea, nobody showed what he was 224 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: pleading to. Nobody knew anything. He went into jail, nobody 225 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: could get a copy of that deal for a whole year. 226 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: So it was done in secret. So nobody really knew 227 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: the expence. The victims they didn't know, including the victims, right, 228 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: And so it was secret. And then when he got 229 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: out it was sort of when it finally was made public, 230 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: it was a solicitation charge. And so, like I said, 231 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: they were very skillful with how they did. 232 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: You know, in this country we like to say, uh, 233 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: nobody's above the law, but there were so many times 234 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: that authorities and law enforcement missed or just didn't act 235 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: on tips and on so suspision because he was rich, 236 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: because he was powerful, because he was connected, because he 237 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: had good lawyers. Tell me about I mean, is the 238 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: is the first instance that we know of that this 239 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: is on the gets on the rate of law enforcement. 240 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: The Farmer sisters, Yes, yes, will you tell us about that? 241 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: When came forward? Well, she she was an art student 242 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 2: and she, uh, she was introduced to him. He was 243 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: sort of a patron of the arts. So I think 244 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: it was more of a patron on trying to get 245 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: young art students, uh, you know, to work for him 246 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: so that he could you know, rape them. But he 247 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 2: was affiliated with art art schools, and she met him 248 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: through that and started sort of working for him as 249 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: an assistant, and she saw a lot of things that 250 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: were going on, and he met her sister, who was 251 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: a lot younger than her, and then you know, there 252 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: was a lot of funny business that was going on 253 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: where they were flying Maria to Ohio to stay at 254 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: a house that Epstein had on the property of Les Westerner, 255 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: who was the owner of Victoria's Secret and some you know, 256 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: she's claimed that Epstein Maxwell tried to molest her. So anyway, 257 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: she did go to the FBI and report several things 258 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: that had happened, especially involving her sister. There was a 259 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: photograph that she found missing of her sister, and she 260 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: just felt that there was something out right here. 261 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: And that was a nineteen Oh I don't remember. It 262 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: was in the late nineties. It was I think it. 263 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: Was in the early nineties. 264 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: Actually, so well before yeah, well before he was convicted 265 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: of the crime that he was. So Julie, let's move 266 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: on now. And the reason I wanted you to lay 267 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: that groundwork is because these victims have been let down 268 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: time and time again for decades and decades and decades 269 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: by local law enforcement, by federal law enforcement, by administration 270 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: after administration. And you know, when I do debates on 271 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: TV against Trump supporters and I'm on panels with Trump supporters, 272 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: they always bring up the issue, well, why do Democrats 273 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: care about this now? Why are they only caring about 274 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: this now? Where were they before? And frankly, I credit 275 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: Trump supporters the same way I credit you for having 276 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: gotten Jeffrey Epstein in jail. The second time, I credit 277 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: MAGA and Trump supporters for not letting this issue die 278 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: because they made it a campaign issue in twenty twenty four. 279 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: But I am amongst the myriad of people that I'm 280 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: pissed at over this issue is Merrick Garland because he 281 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: had the same paperwork that is getting released now and 282 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: he didn't do shit about it. He's sat on it 283 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: like if he was hatching an egg. He sat on 284 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: that giant egg for four years. He could have released it, 285 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: he could have prosecuted. But I think, in my view, 286 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: Mary Garland was so afraid of being viewed as being 287 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: politicized and be and weaponizing the DOJ that he would 288 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: ask the left hand for permission to move the right hand, 289 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: and he ended up doing nothing. So are you are 290 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: you just pissed with Merriy Garland as I am? Or 291 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: am I wrong to be feeling this way. 292 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if I would use the word pissed, 293 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 2: but I because I have a bigger view of it. 294 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: But look, the Justice Department, through I think we counted 295 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 2: for presidential administrations, failed these women, failed these victims. Undoubtedly, 296 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: you know that they more should have been done. What 297 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: I will argue about the Biden administration is they were 298 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: prosecuting Maxwell during that period. I mean, they had an 299 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: open case. So they're not going to kind of start 300 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: telling you everything that they have when they have an 301 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: open criminal investigation. And then even after she was convicted 302 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 2: that she appealed, and you're not going to open your 303 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: playbook and tell them everything that you're looking at when 304 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: you already have an open criminal investigation going on. So 305 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: that's the only defense I will say. Now that said, 306 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: what I'm seeing so far in the Epstein files we 307 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 2: do now have, I don't see any evidence that they 308 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: really investigated. Now, who knows those We might not have 309 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: those files, but I wonder if Trump would let us 310 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: see files. For example, if let's just say victims came 311 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 2: forward and said that that Trump was somehow involved, we 312 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 2: don't see those files. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen. 313 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: So it's hard to know what the Biden administration was due. 314 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it was Joe Biden doing any 315 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: of it. I don't think it was the president or 316 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: the vice president doing anything of it. But I think 317 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: there's far more that Merritt Garland could have and should 318 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: have done. But okay, so we are where we are now, 319 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: and in part it is again because MAGA wouldn't let 320 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: go of it, because the podcasters, the bloggers fear the 321 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: MAGA supporting women in Congress and some of the Republican 322 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: congress people did not bend despite incredible pressure from the 323 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: Trump administration. Marjorie Taylor Green talked about getting a call 324 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: from Donald Trump asking her to change her vote on 325 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: the release of the Epstein files, and she says that 326 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: he told her a lot of my friends are going 327 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: to get hurt, and now that we see the release, 328 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: I tend to believe her that Donald Trump said that 329 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: to her, because in fact, there are a lot of 330 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: people that he knows that are from the financial circles 331 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: or philanthropic circles or social circles of New York and 332 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: other areas that he knows that are part of his 333 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: uh circle. So, okay, we are where we are. We've 334 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: got still I mean, it might be three million documents, 335 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: but it's still only a fraction of what they have. 336 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: What do you see in these files? What what has 337 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: caught as somebody that knows everything, you know as much 338 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: as there is to know about this, What caught your attention? 339 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: What names surprised you, what stood out to you well? 340 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 2: Keep in mind, there are three million documents, so I 341 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: don't think I've seen maybe I saw, like, I don't know, 342 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: a couple of thousands, so I haven't seen it all. 343 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 2: And what's kind of cool is all the members of 344 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 2: the public that are sending me information and other journalists 345 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 2: things that they see because we can't possibly see everything. 346 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: So I'm getting a lot of good tips. But what 347 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: strikes me so far, because my piece of the story 348 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: was really and I think it's an important piece, is 349 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: when you think about it, if alex Acosta had done 350 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: a different job to his job, we wouldn't be sitting 351 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: here right now. Epstein would have gone to jail, probably 352 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 2: for the rest of his life. So that piece of it, 353 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: to me is really important to look at. And what 354 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: I am seeing from not only the time that that 355 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 2: deal was being negotiated, but even in the years following 356 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: that twenty eleven twelve thirteen, Epstein was contacting all these 357 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 2: prosecutors from Miami and anyone he could to try to 358 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 2: get them under his roof. He was offering them jobs. 359 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 2: One of the attorneys of the one of the art 360 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: texts of his plea deal was meeting with him for 361 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: breakfast lunch and dinner. And you know, it was clear 362 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 2: that that Epstein. There's emails where Epstein is saying to him, 363 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 2: will you take this case for me? I want you 364 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 2: to do this for me, you know, will you take that? 365 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: Now he's arguing he didn't really get any business from Acosta, 366 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 2: so why is he this lawyer still meeting with him 367 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: over you know, a long period of time, seven years. 368 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 2: So Epstein had a playbook. He was trying to get 369 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 2: everybody in his pocket. And that's and the lengths to 370 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: which he tried to get them under you know, his 371 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 2: thumb are really interesting, the things that he did. And 372 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 2: so that's what I'm working on. 373 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: Right now, and it's it's it's you know, what comes 374 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: out very clear from from the release of these documents 375 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: is what a mastermind he was in manipulating people, powerful 376 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: people and using them to using each one of them 377 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: to validate him with the other, using Peter Thiele to 378 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: validate him with the other crypto guys, using his relationship 379 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: with Bill Gates to validate him with the Prime Minister 380 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: of Israel, using his relationship with the Prime Minister of 381 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: Israel to validate him with Harvard. I mean, he just 382 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: it was like a shell game where he just he 383 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: just shifted influence around, put all of these pictures in 384 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 1: his townhouses and homes and showed off his influence. And 385 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: I just kind of think, like, it's that group think. Well, I, 386 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: you know, well, if Bill Gates is okay with him, 387 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: then and then he is okay. If Bill Clinton's okay 388 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: with him, then he's gotta be okay. If Donald Trump's 389 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: okay with him. You know, that kind of validation and 390 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: group think, and he got away with it for so long. 391 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: So can we talk a little bit about the Clintons. 392 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: When you saw those pictures that CA came out in December, 393 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: that were released in December of Bill Clinton, you know, 394 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: bear chested in a pool, Bill Clinton in like silk 395 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: pajama looking things, kimonos. I don't know what they were, 396 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: but they were silk and taki next to Jeffrey Epstein. 397 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 2: How did that? 398 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: Because it made me feel all sorts of ways, and 399 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: did how did it make you feel? 400 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: You know? I wasn't surprised because I already had talked 401 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 2: to women who you know, were on that flight when 402 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: they went to Africa and did all those flights, So 403 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 2: I sort of knew. We know what Clinton's emo is. 404 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: I mean, he has a history of you know, you know, 405 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: liking beautiful women around him, so it didn't shock me. 406 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 2: I would say, you know, we don't have any evidence 407 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 2: that he I haven't spoken to a single victim who 408 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: has told me that they had sex with him. To 409 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: be honest with you, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. 410 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 2: It's just that I don't I haven't found it. But 411 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 2: it's creepy. It's like you said earlier, it's all these 412 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: people that didn't recognize wait a minute, this guy is 413 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 2: a pedophile that was molesting thirteen and fourteen year olds. 414 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: I don't think I should have And interesting, it seems 415 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: like most of the women, like Tina Brown for example, 416 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 2: it was women that kind of were invited to some 417 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: of his events or dinners who said, no, are you crazy, 418 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: I'm not going to that. But the men didn't do that, 419 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: and certainly it didn't bother Clinton hanging around with him. 420 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: So you know, it's it's more of that tawdry what 421 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: are you thinking? And you know, why would you do 422 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 2: this kind of thing? 423 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: You know it was you know, I I still can't 424 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: believe Hillary Clinton allowed Gilaine Gislaine. I don't know how. 425 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how the fuck to pronounce her name. 426 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna learn. I don't want to learn. Had 427 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: her at Chelsea's wedding. And you know, this was after 428 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: Epstein had served time in jail. This was after he 429 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: I think he was in home arrest at the time 430 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: of that wedding. And they certainly knew the relationship and 431 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: association between Epstein and Maxwell, And to me, that's something 432 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: that I just don't understand how somebody like Hillary Clinton, 433 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: for whom I have great respect, they didn't say, no, 434 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: that bitch can't come to this wedding. I'm sorry. You know, 435 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: they claimed that she came as somebody's plus one, But 436 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: I mean, I'd like to think that if my daughter 437 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: was was getting married or I was having some sort 438 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: of social event and somebody was bringing, you know, Gilain 439 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: Maxwell as the plus one, I would say, no, they 440 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: don't get a plus one. They either come alone or 441 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: they don't come. 442 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 2: You know. 443 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: But I mean, it's just disa pointing. Do you think 444 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: it makes sense to call the Clintons up to testify 445 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: like the Conmis is doing. 446 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think everybody that had an association with him 447 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 2: is open or it deserves to be at least looked at. 448 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: And absolutely I think that they should be transparent and 449 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 2: if they have nothing to hide, then testify. 450 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: So I even with the release of these documents, I 451 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: feel like we're still letting these women down. And Donald 452 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: Trump was answering questions about it earlier this week, and 453 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: he said it's time to move on. And this is 454 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: a Department of Justice under Pambondi and Todd Blanche that 455 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: when Donald Trump says jump, they say how high. So 456 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: if he's saying it's time to move on, my feeling 457 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: is they're going to move on. They've so far done 458 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: everything he has said. Are these girls? Are these women 459 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: ever going to get closure justice? I mean, and you 460 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,479 Speaker 1: know what, I what I want you to tell us. 461 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: What can we do as regular citizens interested in this? 462 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: I have a couple answers. First of all, what I 463 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: would say to, you know, anyone that says let's move on. 464 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 2: You know. I wonder if Trump would still feel that 465 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: way if his daughter was molested or raped by another, 466 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: you know, older man when she was thirteen or fourteen. 467 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 2: I wonder if he would just say to his daughter, 468 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 2: let's move on, let's forget about it. I mean, it 469 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: should be thought about like that. It could have been 470 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 2: your daughter. You know, these were young girls and to 471 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 2: say move on to someone when they were thirteen or fourteen, 472 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: which is very damaging. The younger you are, the more 473 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 2: it damages you. One of the reasons why I kept 474 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 2: going on this story was once I started finding out 475 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 2: who these women were, I saw a pattern. All of 476 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: them had, their lives had completely changed. Some of them 477 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: were honor roll students. They their whole lives fell apart 478 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: after this happened. So it's really, I think, really horrible 479 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: to say to move on when you have so many 480 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: women that have been sexually abased. 481 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: And most of them, if not all of them, were poor, 482 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: were disadvantage. That's right for people they were praying. They 483 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: were praying on young, poor girls. They weren't praying on 484 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: the on the daughters or the members of maur A Lago. 485 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: They weren't praying on the daughters of the circle that 486 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: they ran in. They were going out and actively searching 487 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: for poor, disadvantage girls and grooming and praying on them. 488 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: Right and as far as whether they're ever going to see, 489 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: you know, justice, I think justice is different for different 490 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 2: victims here, but I think overall it looks like now, 491 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 2: at least under the Trump administration, there's not going to 492 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: be up Scott Todd Blanche has said he's not going 493 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 2: it's game over. You know, they're not going to investigate 494 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: anybody else. 495 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: But how how can they so shamelessly? For example, even 496 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: with everything that has been released now and that the 497 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: public is seeing, how can they possibly justify having Gilaine 498 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: Maxwell having moved her after that interview to a spa 499 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: of a prison where she gets to play with a 500 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: puppy and get massages and do yoga. What in the 501 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: actual hell is that? 502 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: You know? 503 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: How is that possible? And that nobody raises an eyebrow 504 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: and says, you know, even if it's just for optics, 505 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: maybe we need to move this bitch back to where 506 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: she was. I mean, it's just, you know, it defies credulity. Julie, 507 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: Before we go, because I know you have to go, one, 508 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: I want to thank you again because I think as 509 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: far as we've gotten, none of this would have happened 510 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: had it not been for you and your efforts and 511 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: your series and your reporting. You told us you were 512 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: working on another piece or can you tell us what 513 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: it's what the gist of it is. 514 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 2: Well, we're finding a lot of new information in these files. 515 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 2: It's just taken us a long time to put them 516 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 2: together because these stories and I'm sure all the media 517 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: is struggling with this. First of all, even downloading these 518 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 2: files is a nightmare. It took days for some media 519 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 2: it's to download these files, and they're not very searchable 520 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: on the web where they are now. So putting it 521 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 2: into our own purposes, yeah, it's a mess. So you 522 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 2: might see an email here that implicates someone and then 523 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: you all of a sudden find one that clears it up. 524 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 2: So it's very it's very hard to do these stories. 525 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: But we are putting together some stories that will provide 526 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: more insight into what the FBI knew. 527 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: So as we end, As we end, can you just 528 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: give us a call to action, like, what are people 529 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast? What are regular Americans? What can 530 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: we do to make sure that these women get some 531 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: justice at some point? 532 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 2: Well, I think everybody should be calling there. I know 533 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 2: it sounds, you know, like a broken record, but everybody 534 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 2: really needs to contact their local representatives, especially if their 535 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 2: representatives haven't you know, been active in this, and they 536 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: need to tell them how important this story is because 537 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: it really is about trust and transparency in our government systems. 538 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: And if we just ignore you know, one man or 539 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 2: you know, we know of others too, who are who 540 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 2: committed this kind of heinous crime, what does that really 541 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: say about us as a you know, as a country. 542 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: You know, we should be protecting the most vulnerable in 543 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 2: our country. And to ignore this and to forget about it, 544 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: which a lot of people I think would like us 545 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 2: to do in our government, I think, really says that 546 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 2: we aren't really good human being, Julie. 547 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: What it says is that that no, not everybody is 548 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: equal under the law. It says that if you're rich 549 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: and powerful, you can get away with things that others don't. 550 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: Whether your name is Jeffrey Epstein or Harvey Weinstein or p. 551 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,239 Speaker 1: Ditty or fill in the blank. But listen, I I 552 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: love you, I appreciate you, I respect you enormously. It's 553 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: a reminder to everybody to support local journalism. Without this 554 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: story in the Miami Herald, we would not be where 555 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: we are. And we will keep talking because we're not 556 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: about to let this story die. Thank you for your 557 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: time today, Julie, and we've got other big topics to 558 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: talk about when we get back, and before we say goodbye, 559 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: you know, I like to end all the episodes by 560 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: highlighting my hero of the week and my cowarde, my 561 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: coward of the week. Let's start with a coward this week. 562 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: It goes to Congressman Tony Gonzalez. He's from Texas. He 563 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: represents part of San Antonio and Uvalde, and this story 564 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: is horrible, it is tragic, it is shameful. He was 565 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: having allegedly an affair with one of his staffers, his 566 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: district director in Uvalde. Her name was Regina Santos Avillis. 567 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 1: She died after the affair was revealed. She set herself 568 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: on fire and died by suicide. Died the next day 569 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: in a hospital in excruciating pain. Her husband had discovered 570 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: the texts of the affair, and her husband says she 571 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: had been tremendously despondent after the affair was discovered, and 572 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 1: she was ostracized professionally, and of course they were having 573 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: all sorts of issues as a result. But here's the point. 574 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: This guy, Tony Gonzalez, congressman, is not resigning. And the 575 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson is not forcing him 576 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: to resign. They're just kind of hands off. There's even Republicans, 577 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: Republican women like Lauren Bobert and Anna Paulina Luna of 578 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: Florida and Nancy Mays of South Carolina, all Republicans who 579 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: have called for his resignation. It is disgusting that this 580 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: man is still serving in the House. Of course, he's 581 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: a Republican and Mike Johnson needs his vote, and that's 582 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: why Mike Johnson is pretending that there is nothing to 583 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: see here. But I want to ask the people of 584 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: Texas because the primary is tomorrow. The primary is March 585 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: third in Texas, and Tony Gonzalez is running for reelection. 586 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: This man has to lose. It is unacceptable that somebody 587 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: who is a fake holy roller, he's married with six kids, 588 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: and who was engaged in this kind of relationship. It 589 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: wasn't just an affair. It was an affair with somebody 590 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: who was working for him, a young woman who was 591 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: working for him and was married and who he asked 592 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,280 Speaker 1: for lude pictures. She pushed back. This guy cannot continue 593 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: in Congress so Texas, since he doesn't have the shame 594 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: not ruinsa to resign. It's up to you to resign 595 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: for him. It's up to you to kick him out 596 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: of the house and make sure he doesn't get reelected. Now, 597 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: I want to talk about something happy. I want to 598 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: talk about the hero of the week. For me, it's 599 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: this cop who adopted the dog abandoned in the Las 600 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: Vegas airport. I don't know if you all saw this story, 601 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: but there's this two year old golden doodle and his owner. 602 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 1: She was set to travel. She hadn't filled out the paperwork. 603 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: She was told that she couldn't bring the dog on 604 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 1: the plane. You have to fill out all sorts of 605 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 1: paperwork and get the forms in before flying with a dog. 606 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: This bitch just left the dog there, tied the dog 607 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: up to the counter, and abandoned the dog and went 608 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: to get on her plane. She ended up getting arrested 609 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: for abandonment of an animal, and the officer Skeeter Black 610 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: God what a great name, who assisted in rescuing the 611 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: dog from the airport. He and his family ended up 612 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: adopting the dog. This dog is going to have such 613 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: a much better life because of this. They ended up 614 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: naming him Jet Blue because he was abandoned at the 615 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: counter of Jet Blue. So this is a happy, sad 616 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: story with a happy ending and with a great hero, 617 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: officer Skeeter Black Chacha. Did you like that story. She's 618 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: a golden doodle, You're a poodle. You're almost related. Okay, 619 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: So that's it for this week. Thank you all for listening, 620 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: and see you next Monday when we talked to Joge 621 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: and Paula Ramos and dig into the situation in Mexico 622 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: and all around the Western Hemisphere. Thank you so much 623 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 1: for your support for your listener. 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