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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Seven women that we know

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Speaker 1: of murtyred, raped, getting away by the skin of their teeth.

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Speaker 1: Why has a one man wrecking ball managed to walk

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and series XM one eleven. With so many crime victims,

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Speaker 1: I hardly know where to start, but I'm gonna start

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Speaker 1: with a gorgeous young girl, Kelly. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friends at Fox four Now. The summer of nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety seven, the disappearance of Kelly Cox was huge news

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Speaker 1: here at University of Texas and in Denton. There were

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Speaker 1: search parties that in the days and months that followed,

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Speaker 1: and we even reported on several developments over the last

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Speaker 1: seventeen years. Now that picture, the new picture of what

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Speaker 1: she would look like, and fresh hope for her family

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Speaker 1: who have always believed that she's still alive. I believe

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Speaker 1: Is today today She's going to come through the door?

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Speaker 1: Is today to day? She's going to call or is today. Today,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get answers. The fact that the family

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Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold joining me. We'renowned psychiatrist out of Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, What is it about us humans that, in

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Speaker 1: the face of overwhelming evidence that our loved one is dead,

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Speaker 1: will not accept it? What is that, Nancy? I believe

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Speaker 1: that it's hope, because well, we all have to have

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Speaker 1: don't have hope. For example, one of the questions that

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Speaker 1: exhibiting signs of suicidal ideation and things like this, one

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Speaker 1: feeling of hopelessness. So a feeling of hopelessness is a

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Speaker 1: very difficult thing to treat. So as long as people

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Speaker 1: to feel. I know that about hope, but I think

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Speaker 1: special guest joining us investigative reporter Rob Arnold out of

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Speaker 1: KPRC to Houston. Rob, you have been on this case

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Speaker 1: through so much when you see family members against all

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Speaker 1: One of the things, and it wasn't just Kelly Ncox's

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Speaker 1: Rob Arnold joining me at KPRC to Houston, what child

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Speaker 1: Kelly and Cox was a young mother. She had just

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Speaker 1: We're talking about Kelly Ann Cox. Is she the first

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, Starva.

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Speaker 1: Another hit series. This one is Body Bags with Joseph

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan on iHeart Joe Scott. I already I'm only

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Speaker 1: up a flyer with their daughter's picture on it. Cars

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00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: going by, hoping somebody, somebody would know something somewhere, you know,

428
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: Doctor Angie Arnold, I just can you even imagine standing outside, waving,

429
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: trying to get anybody to help you. It's such a

430
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: sign of desperation, It's so it's gut wrenching, Nancy. And

431
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder what the people thought of her.

432
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: I wonder if people even looked. I wonder if people

433
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: even knew what she was doing. So in saying that,

434
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: with that being said, she was doing this really for herself.

435
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: There's such little chance of anyone responding to an act

436
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: like that. Oh, the desperation the parents are going through.

437
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: Oh yes, guys, Now we have a tally. Rob Arnold,

438
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, because you're the expert on this.

439
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: You've got seventeen year old girl, Jessica Lee Kane. You've

440
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: got a new mom back to college that's Kelly Ancock's

441
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: twenty and now we've got a twelve year old girl

442
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: that is found and every tension pot as she is

443
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: being found, more is happening in another case. Take a

444
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: listen to our forensic KTRK. We are just off of

445
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: the Goal Freeway, about a mile or so from where

446
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: Jessica Kane went missing in Lamarck, and this park bench

447
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: has been dedicated to Jessica. Today, we need a visit

448
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: onto the family home of Jessica Kane. They were not

449
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: home today, but in the past they've told us that

450
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: they thought Jessica was kidnapped and taken to Mexico. Her

451
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: mom came to me when they moved off of Tikillen

452
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: and she said, we moved our home phone to our

453
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: neighbor's house in case Jessica escapes and she calls home. Yeah, yeah,

454
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: it was pretty said, Pretty said. Okay. The reason I

455
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: played that, Rob Arnold, was because we were talking about

456
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: the desperation that twelve year old lad Kate Smithers. A

457
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:07,479
Speaker 1: family was suffering, and now you hear what that family,

458
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: Kelly's family was going through. They had to move, but

459
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: they were so afraid she would get free that they

460
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: put their home phone in their next her neighbor's home.

461
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Rob Arnold, the suffering these parents have been through. Well,

462
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: that goes to what I had said earlier about why

463
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: I think it's particularly cruel when a child disappears and

464
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: has never found, because there is never a moment that

465
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: that parent does not stop wondering is she hungry, is

466
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: she cold, is she's tired, is she happy? As she said,

467
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: it's a constant worry for decades, every single day without knowing. Guys,

468
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Phil Archer at KPRC.

469
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: You can see police have set up a command post

470
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: about one hundred yards into that pasture from us. They

471
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: are not talking, commenting at all about what they're doing there,

472
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: but the source close to the investigation confirms they are

473
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: looking for Cox, who may have been the victim of

474
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: a serial killer. If Kelly and Cox is found, it

475
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: will solve an eighteen year old mystery. Investigators are using

476
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: bacos and bulldozers to search for in this lonely field

477
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: near Highway to eighty eight and FM fourteen sixty two.

478
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: Cox was twenty years old, an honors student at North

479
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: Texas State in Denton and the mother of a baby

480
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: girl when she disappeared in July nineteen ninety seven after

481
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: touring the Denton jail with her criminology class. But then

482
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: we have a twist in the case, a twist in

483
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: the case an aggravated assault. But in that twist do

484
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: we get answers? Take us to our friensic ktr K

485
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: Webster Police Sergeant James Lovell responded to the abduction called

486
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: almost twenty years ago. It just seemed very calculated to level,

487
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: says Reese had it all planned, slashing one of Sanders

488
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: Saupa's tires so she'd break down. And later a guy

489
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: on a white dewy truck pulls up kind of behind her,

490
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: almost blocking her in, and says, do you have a

491
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: flat tire? She says yes. He says he needs some

492
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: help changing it. She said yes. Soon after he kidnapped

493
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: her and headed down at forty five Sappa managed to

494
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: free herself. She probably knew at that point like if

495
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: I don't want ump out of this car, then I

496
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: might na see tomorrow. Sapa was seriously injured from the jump.

497
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: Eventually she was able to give details about his truck

498
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: and the case. This is her testifying in nineteen ninety eight.

499
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: Level took the stand two and remembers looking at Reese

500
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: in the courtroom. He just kind of sat there and

501
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: sneakers as is sixty years in prison time stories with

502
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace to Rob Arnold joining me KPRC. Sandra lived.

503
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: She managed to fight him off. But could you detail

504
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: for everyone the m O that was used. She would

505
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: have been his next murder victim. How did he get

506
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: her in his vehicle? Well, to believe, he slashed her tires,

507
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: And when she came out to her car and she

508
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: sees she's got a flat tire, he comes in again,

509
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: do you need some help, and gets out, grabs her,

510
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: throws her into his truck. And the thing that's amazing

511
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: about Sandra, this wasn't like they were just driving down

512
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: the road. They were on Interstate forty five and she

513
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: jumped out of his truck and that's how she was

514
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: able to save herself. And she never wavered in her

515
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: identification of this person ever, and that's why this person

516
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: finally went to prison. I mean, you know, as I

517
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: always say, Matthew Mangino, former prosecutor and author, when you

518
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: don't know a horse, look at his trick record. Here,

519
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: he's got this girl, Sandra in his vehicle, same m O.

520
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: Disables the car, offers to help, and suddenly she's in

521
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: his vehicle facing rape and death. Same thing. You want

522
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: to tell me they're not connected. Well, what's interesting is

523
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: that this arrest, ultimately for abducting Sandra was investigated, there

524
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: was a connection made, there wasn't arrest made, But the

525
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: three other murders, you know, Laura, Jessica, and Kelly, were

526
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: not immediately connected to this assailant. So even though you

527
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: had missing persons in a short period of time which

528
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: had a similar m to this situation, yeah, you're right,

529
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: they can't connect them just on the m O to

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00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: Rob Arnold was Sad abducted in late nineteen ninety seven,

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00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: May of ninety seven, you know, And the thing is

532
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: you keep kind of I mean, I know we haven't

533
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: really gone over this chronologically, but Sandra was kidnapped in

534
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: May of ninety seven, and then Kelly Anne disappeared in

535
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: July ninety seven. You know, so this all didn't happen

536
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: in chronological order. This kept happening. So now we have

537
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: the case starting to unfold. And because Sandra lived, as

538
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: you heard Rob stating, she never wavered, and her identification

539
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: of the perp, that perp, William Reese, she never wavered,

540
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: and she got in behind bars on aggravated assault, and

541
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: then at all started to fit together. Listen to Robert Arnold,

542
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: our friend from KPRC. Reese was serving a sixty year

543
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: prison sentence from the nineteen ninety seven kidnapping of Sandra's St.

544
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: Paul in Galveston County. Saba escaped and helped put him

545
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: away while in a Texas prison. Oklahoma investigators used new

546
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: technology to link Reese's DNA to Johnston's body, along with

547
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: a phone card used shortly before she disappeared. Charged with

548
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,479
Speaker 1: that crime, Reese started talking and hoping to cut a deal.

549
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: Reese admitted to his involvement in the kidnapping and murder

550
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: of Laura Smither, who disappeared from her friend's Wood neighborhood

551
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety seven. Her body was found a few

552
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: weeks later. That same year, Jessica Kane disappeared near her

553
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: Tiki Island home, and Kelly Anne Cox disappeared from Denton. Okay,

554
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: let's talk about Tiffany Johnson. Tiffany Johnson nineteen years old.

555
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: Suddenly her name is ejected into this scenario. Tell me

556
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: about Tiffany rob Arnold. Well, Tiffany Johnston was actually murdered

557
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma, So this wasn't even in Texas. Who was

558
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: Bethany Oklahoma? Here, Oklahoma City, typical deal. She was at

559
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: a car, washes grabbed her, killed her, and her body

560
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: was found. I believe the following day next to the interstate.

561
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: Had she been raped? I believe so, yes, ma'am. The

562
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: reason I'm asking is I want to know how all

563
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: of these victims are ultimately pieced together. How did they

564
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: finally figure out they're all connected? Well, you know, the

565
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: interesting thing is Johnston. If you're going in order chronologically here,

566
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: she was next to last. So he killed Tiffany after

567
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: he had kidnapped and killed Kelly An Cox, after he

568
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: had kidnapped Sandra's Sayball, and after he had kidnapped and

569
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 1: killed Laura Smither. Then after he killed Johnston. That's when

570
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: Jessica Kane disappeared as well, so he kept going it. Really,

571
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: if it had not been for Sandra's say ball by

572
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: being him in putting him in prison for sixty years,

573
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: these killings would have continued. She's a huge part of

574
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: the reason as to why these killings stopped. Explain that place.

575
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: So because of the way the chronology went, Reese was

576
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: not as it until after Jessica Cane had disappeared, but

577
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: he was arrested on the kidnapping of Sandras Baugh. He

578
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: was then put in jail, and then the trial happened

579
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight and that's when he was convicted

580
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: in sentenced to sixty years in prison. So that's why

581
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: the killings suddenly stopped. Jessica Cane being the last young

582
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: lady to disappear amazing and amazing, go ahead, jump in.

583
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: It's mad means you know. The thing that's amazing about

584
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: it as well, is that he wasn't connected to Tiffany

585
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: Johnson her death until he his DNA matched evidence from

586
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: the crime scene. And that DNA was taken as a

587
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: result of a state law that required everybody to who

588
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: was convicted of a clony to provide a DNA sample.

589
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: So really, you know, we you know, these cases although

590
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: that we can see an m from where we're looking

591
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: from our Vanna's point right now, these cases weren't solved

592
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: until the DNA match and then his confessions. Yeah, they

593
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: really are not solved until Sandra could identify him as

594
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: her kidnapper. And then because he then had to at

595
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: the point where you had to submit DNA, that's what

596
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: cracked the case wide open. Take a listen to our

597
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: cut nine KPRCY. Last month, he accompanied police to another

598
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: dig site in southeast Houston on March nineteenth. They found

599
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: skeletal remains there that may or may not be those

600
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: of seventeen year old Jessica Kan, the Tiki Island girl

601
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: who disappeared the same year as Cox. The remains have

602
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: yet to be identified. Reese is cooperating with Check's rangers

603
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: and Denton police. Cox's mother says it's the first real

604
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: break in the case since her daughter disappeared. My police

605
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: would be for him to tell whoever needs to be

606
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: told so we can know what happened. Reese was charged

607
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: with murdering kidnapping last year after DNA evidence linked him

608
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: to a teenage Oklahoma girl who was killed in nineteen

609
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: ninety seven. He's also a suspect in the kidnapping and

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00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: murder of twelve year old Laura Smither of Friendswood, who

611
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: was killed the same year. And now they are searching

612
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: for Kelly Cox. The daughter she left behind is a

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00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: woman now twenty years old, the same age as her

614
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: mother when she disappeared. Kelly did not just leave home

615
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: and grow up somewhere far far away. She is dead

616
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: at the hands of Reese. Take a listen to our

617
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: friends at ABC. Accompanied by seven officers in four vehicles,

618
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: Confessed serial killer William Reese was brought back to the

619
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Speaker 1: Friendswood City Jail from Oklahoma to face three murder charges.

620
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: I sentence you to death. The transport comes six months

621
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: after he was sentenced to death in Oklahoma for the

622
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven murder of Tiffany Johnston. His return, the

623
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: Friendswood Police chief says, was always part of the plan.

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00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: In accordance with the interstate Agreement of detainer, he was

625
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: required to be returned to the state of Texas, and

626
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: so there was enough time that passed with his appeal

627
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: and whatnot to get started, and a judge signed the

628
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: order on Friday, he'll have his own jail cell and

629
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Speaker 1: this will be Reese's second state in the Friendswood City Jail.

630
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, after confessing to the nineteen ninety seven

631
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: kidnappings and murders of Laura Smither, Jessica Kane, and Kelly Cox,

632
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: Rees spent five months here. He also struck a deal

633
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: lead investigators to the remains of Kane and Cox, which

634
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: he did and avoid the death penalty. I mean, Rob Arnold,

635
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: you know this case like the back of your hand,

636
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: joining us from KPRC. There was a time in court

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Speaker 1: where he actually snickered at the victims left during the

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma trial. He was still just a very defiant, mean,

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Speaker 1: just just nasty looks to the parents of victims, especially

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Speaker 1: Kathy Dobry that Tiffany Johnston's mother. So he still was

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Speaker 1: just a very defiant, mean human being that at that

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Speaker 1: point a little different though when he came back to

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Speaker 1: Galveston County and finally fled to Kelly Ancock and Jessica

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Speaker 1: Kane and Laura Kate. Smither's smart when you say he

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Speaker 1: was different, how he seemed that in this in my

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Speaker 1: opinion of looking at him in the trial. He did

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Speaker 1: not seem to have lost that defiant He seemed to

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Speaker 1: maybe actually feel something. He couldn't look at Gay Smither

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Speaker 1: when she was giving her statement. Rob, please get a

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Speaker 1: hold of yourself. He's not feeling anything. Well, he wasn't

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Speaker 1: defiant anymore like he was in Oklahoma. If he was

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Speaker 1: feeling anything, it was about himself, not for anything. I mean,

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Speaker 1: think about it, laughing snickering at what the victims went

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Speaker 1: through in open court. What do you think it would

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Speaker 1: be like as a young girl, a twelve year old

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Speaker 1: girl caught in the car with him, what she went through?

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Speaker 1: Last question, Rob Arnold, I don't believe this is all

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Speaker 1: his victims. I think there are more victims. I know

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Speaker 1: there are others that believe that, and so does Laura's mother.

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Speaker 1: Laura's mother believes that as well. What I can tell

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Speaker 1: you is right now, there's nothing that's directly linking him

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Speaker 1: to anything else. I know that there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: other young ladies in these areas that disappeared under similar circumstances.

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Speaker 1: That nothing directly linking him at this point that we

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Speaker 1: know of is his DNA in the databank being compared

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Speaker 1: to their cases. His DNAs that uploaded to codis. I

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Speaker 1: do know that, and so far we had not heard

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Speaker 1: of any other hits at this time. At this time,

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Speaker 1: are there are three other rape victims? Well, I know

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Speaker 1: that there are two others. There were the two some

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Speaker 1: are the two in Oklahoma before he started the murders.

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Speaker 1: How one guy hasn't managed to murder, rate and terrorize

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Speaker 1: so many women is just beyond me. But we cannot

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Speaker 1: give up seeking justice. If you know or thank you

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Speaker 1: know anything about a crime connected to this man, defendant,

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Speaker 1: William Reese, please call the tip line three one zero

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Speaker 1: four seven seven sixty five sixty five. Nancy Grace Crumbs

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Speaker 1: Story signing off, goodbye friend