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Speaker 1: on Amazon, Robin, when I first saw the photo and

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Speaker 1: to come. And we believe we don't have a statement

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Speaker 1: or any evidence that suggests other than our observations on

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Speaker 1: the video. We believe that she simply mistakenly got into

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Speaker 1: this particular car thinking it was an Uber ride. She

430
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: opened the door and got into it and departed with

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Speaker 1: the suspect driving with those child looks on the back.

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Speaker 1: There was no way out for Samantha. How many times

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Speaker 1: have I said the words just get an Uber, just

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Speaker 1: get an Uber? I mean when I hear her mother speak,

435
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: you know what Alan do my friend joining me in LA.

436
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: You know how I feel about John David and Lucy,

437
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: my twins. The same way you feel about your beautiful girl,

438
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: and the same way everybody feels about their children. I

439
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: pour every waking moment. If I'm not working into them,

440
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: I dream for them, I hope for them. I try

441
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: to push them one step further. Have you done your homework?

442
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: Can we work on your science project. Let's work on

443
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: your girl scout, let's work on your board. Anything, just

444
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: to help them one more step along the way, Just

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00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: one step, anything, anything. All those hopes, all those dreams

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00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: into Semantha. They poured all their effort, Alan, They got

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00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: her through undergrad at University South Carolina, and she had

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00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: a full scholarship to law school. How proud do you think, Alan,

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00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: they were of Samantha. I can only imagine, because she's

450
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: so beautiful and an accomplished young lady. By the way,

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Speaker 1: let me mention there is a go fund me effort

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Speaker 1: to raise money for her funeral and memorial cost. All

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00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: of the money will go to support the family during

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Speaker 1: this tough time. They've raised almost forty nine thousand dollars already.

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Speaker 1: Samantha Lee Josephson Memorial Fund. You'll find it on go

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Speaker 1: fund me. Well, you know what, Alan, I'm so glad

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00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: you brought that up because I remember when my dad

458
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: passed away. We had the most awesome funeral. Home helped

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00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: my mom, helped all of us. But you know when

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Speaker 1: you get that bill at a time like that, it's

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00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: like another kick in the gut, you know. So that's

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00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: just one last thing they're going to have to break

463
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: into their savings for it. Just her future. Her world

464
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: looked so bright and it ends like this. Here's Chief Holebrook.

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Speaker 1: The traffic stop that I mentioned occurred about three am.

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Speaker 1: The Chevy and Power that was driven by the sus

467
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: had a large a large amount of livewid it we

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Speaker 1: believed to be blood and once they did a presumptive test,

469
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: in fact was confirmed to be blood. They executed a

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Speaker 1: search warrant on that car. Additional amounts of dark collar

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00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: test deposit for blood was discovered in the trunk and

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Speaker 1: in the passenger apartment. Collections of the blood were came

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Speaker 1: by the forensic primezing agents and were submitted to the

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Speaker 1: Sleddy and a lab for analysis and compare the known

475
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: standards of the victim. The analysis concluded that the blood

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00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: in the suspect of vehicle was out of the victims.

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00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm just sick. Sick. This guy's a thing in Nathaniel

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00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: David Roland, twenty four years old. Think about it. Did

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00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: you hear what Chief Holbrook said? Blood quote? Lots of it.

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Speaker 1: From what we understand, she was brutalized from her head

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00:29:53,400 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: to her feet, brutal injuries all around her neck, her face,

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00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: her head, her upper body, her legs down all the

483
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: way down to her feet. Her beautiful body found hours

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00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: later dumped in woods off a dirt road in Clarendon County,

485
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: over sixty miles from where she was last seen on

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Speaker 1: that surveillance video getting into Roland's car. Her mother, Marcy,

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00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: was so broken up at the last hearing, which he

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00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: didn't have the guts to show his face and see

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Speaker 1: Samantha's mother. She had to read from a statement, and

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Speaker 1: I can tell you this, doctor Bober, or doctor Daniel

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00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: Bober with me, forensic psychiatrist. I'm glad she had something

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Speaker 1: to read from, because I remember testifying at my fiance's

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Speaker 1: murder trial. It's such a blur. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: what I was saying, doctor Bober. I only even to

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00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: this day, with all the joy of my life, I

496
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: can only remember little bits and pieces that trial just

497
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: like I'm singing an old movie and I see bits

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00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: and then the film is spliced, and then suddenly, yeah,

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00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: I see another part. It just I don't know how

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00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: she kept her wits about her to even speak. Why

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00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: is that, doctor Boba? Why can't you think straight when

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00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: you're under so much stress and pain? Because, Nancy, it's

503
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: a cute stress. That's you know that people talk about

504
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: the fight or flight, but it's really the fight, flight

505
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: or freeze. And some people are so traumatized that they're

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00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: disconnected from their thoughts and emotions. It's sort of the

507
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: mind's way of protecting itself because the trauma is just

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00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: too much to bear. She read this quote. There are

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00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: no words to describe the immense pain his actions have

510
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: caused our family and friends. He's taken away a piece

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00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: of her heart, soul, and life. Shame on him. We

512
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: thought he would be here to see his evil face.

513
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: I cannot fathom how someone could randomly select a person,

514
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: a beautiful girl, and steal her life away. His actions senseless, vile.

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00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: It sickens us to think his face was the last

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00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: thing my baby girls saw on this earth. His unspeakable,

517
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: violent actions have created a hole in the universe, you know,

518
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, she said it so perfectly a hole in

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00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: the universe. I remember when Keith was murdered. I felt like,

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00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,719
Speaker 1: and I still say this, that the world stopped and

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00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: I got off and I turned around and the world

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00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: was still spinning. And I just couldn't imagine that life

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00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: went on as normal, because it is a hole in

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00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: the universe. Her universe. Nancy, her sister, She had one sister.

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00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: Her sister is now sisterless. And I am just I

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00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: have three girls, and I cannot even fathom where these

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00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: parents are coming from. I'm heartbroken. I am devastated. But

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00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: I will say this again, she did not die in vain.

529
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: I called my daughters and I said, don't ever get

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00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: in an uber unless that driver matches. Don't do it.

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Speaker 1: To doctor Michelle Dupree joining me my long time not

532
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: just colleague, but I consider a friend. Although you're a

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00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: lot smarter than me, Doctor Dupre, you do put up

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00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: with my questions, which must be child's play for somebody

535
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: like you, and doctor Bober, for Pete's sake, Kathleen, Karen

536
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: and Robin, don't please don't feel left out of this.

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00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: But I mean, but doctor Dupree, I want you to

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00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: speak to me on a human level, not as a

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00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: medical examiner and author. And I'm looking at a picture

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00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: right now, doctor Dupres. Now you know, doctor Dupre, grew

541
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: up on a red dirt road in the middle of

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00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: rural bib County. I didn't even know where Barcelona, Spain was.

543
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: But I'm looking at a picture. I mean, my dream

544
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: is to send my children all over the world so

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00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: they can see it all and experience it all and

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00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: know it all. And I'm looking at a picture of

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00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: her at the airport with her parents last January, on

548
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: your way to send a semester abroad in Barcelona. How

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00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 1: hard do you think those parents worked to give her

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00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: all of these advantages in life, doctor Dupres. Nancy, I'm

551
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: sure they worked very hard and arsous nothing as you know,

552
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: like losing a child. It's just devastating. And I just

553
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: want to say that our community here, everyone in the city,

554
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: in the town, in the state, is just devastated by

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00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: this news. It was a horrible, tragic account. We wait

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00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: as justice unfals. If you have information, please call toll

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Speaker 1: free eight eight eight two seven four six three seven

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Speaker 1: two repeat eight eight eight two seven, four, six, three,

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Speaker 1: seven two Nancy Gray's Crime Stories, signing off Keep the Faith, Friend,