WEBVTT - 2014 re-draft & Daniel Jeremiah 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:05.600 The Around the NFL Podcast would be a good bit 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.799 for Chip Kelly's offense. Welcome to another edition of the 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:14.080 Around the NFL Podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal alongside a couple 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:20.040 of heroes, Mark Sessler and Chris Westling. Hey, Greg, see 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.080 I get no respect? What a pause between that? Yes? 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.960 Of course. If you'll notice our fearless host Dan Handas 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.320 not here today, Happy birthday to day in hand this, 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:32.839 he gave himself a big birthday present and that was 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.280 staying away from us. Who can blame him? Listen, I'll 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.199 tell you what it's been hot in this studio. Came 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:41.720 up here about ten minutes ago while TV was fiddling 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.360 around the controls behind the glass, and the heat between 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:51.000 Rosenthal and west is uncomfortable. Hold on here, you're distancing 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.000 yourself from this? Yes, well, it really started as Mark 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:59.160 and west arguing about a Josh McCown versus Zach Mettenberger 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:02.480 who would you rather have? And then it really kick 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:06.600 started a week long argument that really has threatened to 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.399 tear apart the Around the NFL group about Zach Mettenberger 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.680 between Chris Wesley and myself, which we're really going to 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:16.480 dive into a little more later in this show. You're excited. Yeah, 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.360 I'm sure listeners are just hanging on waiting for the 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.840 extra Zach Mettenberger analysis. Well, it's late April. Let's show us. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:27.120 You know this heat the scientist eat or any arguments 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:31.040 between us is you know, not really just manufactured. We're 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.240 talking about whether we're on the podcast or not. I 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.720 guarantee right now Dan Is, when he's listening to this, 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.040 he's like, not enough birthday talk about Dan. We've got 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:42.600 to talk more about that aspect. Big three five for Danny. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:46.520 Oh really, that's a big one. I guess at this point, 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:50.440 does it really matter he can officially run for US president. Well, 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:53.320 we will call Dan hands Is a little bit later, 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.480 see if he's there. He doesn't know we're gonna do this, 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:59.440 so he might not answer. We'll see what happens. He might. Yeah, 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.000 we gotta big show. I mean, we got that. We 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.920 are gonna talk about a little series we're doing re 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.720 drafting and ranking the class of two thousand and fourteen 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:13.840 draft at different positions. Okay, you know, if we get 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.360 all the draft knicks out there they're studying in all 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.120 the college tape, what about the guys that are actually 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.480 in the league. Let's revisit him a year later, get 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.640 our you know, studying on West did a huge, great 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.320 piece on the wide receivers, one of the best classes 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.320 of all time, maybe the best. I am putting out 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.280 one on the quarterbacks and Mark has the tight end, 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:37.840 so we'll talk about that a little later. Tight ends. Hey, 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:41.280 Jason Morrow as a person too, and uh, we also 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.120 have Daniel Jeremiah on the show. With the NFL Draft 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.959 only a week away, we're gonna talk to DJ. Dan 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.600 was here. We pre taped that on Wednesday, and we're 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:55.480 gonna talk a little draft. Get some knowledge from Danna Jeremiah. 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:57.960 He had he has another pot. He does something else here, right, 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.120 he does well the Stake's podcast. Check it up. You 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.080 get to the draft talk. I stayed out of that 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.240 segment and I'm not on it because DJ, you know, 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.600 he on Twitter got to me, said a little uncomfortable 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:12.720 to have to go up with the tape watching that 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.359 you've been doing on some of the defensive tackle prospects 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:16.720 in line. I said, I'll sit out. This will be 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.120 your thing, but yeah, well you have to listen. There 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.920 was some awkward moments between him and Dan Jansas that 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.760 I don't tell very bubbly DJ. On this episode, he 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:28.560 was excited to be here. Other than you know, they've 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.720 they've had the heat between Dan and uh. You know 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:32.560 there's heat between West and I. But of course there's 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:34.200 a lot of love. I felt bad, really for you 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.440 last night when you almost lost your four thousand word 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:42.080 opus to the vagaries of your computer. You said you 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.880 were you were literally going to cry in the newsroom 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.400 by yourself at eight o'clock at night. And so when 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:50.120 I t guys saved you, I was five minutes away 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.640 from rolling into the fetal position and sucking my thumb 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.000 and just calling it quits on every on life. I mean, 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.040 it was just what did it just disappear into it? 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.200 Thought he lost the whole I hit a button called 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:05.480 save draft, and four thousand words up and disappeared. That 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.240 is a horror movie for a writer, basically, just I 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.720 mean it was hopeless, especially a week and a half 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:16.599 of film watching, research, note taking, and then crafting the words. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:18.960 I went the way I want them all out the window? 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:20.960 Are you here right now? Like I will still be, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.159 I will still be. He got back recaptured after like 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.919 a couple of hours, Like they were like oh, you 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:30.480 just have to email word Press and figure it out, 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:33.359 because we can't figure anything. It's called different levels of 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.279 work ethic. That's why he's here. I mean, yeah, he 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.640 wasn't messing around. He went and watched this his San 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.920 Antonio Spurs West is my beloved San Antony he key 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.400 big Spurs fan. And then you know, finished the column 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.560 after that. So we'll get to all that later. But 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.880 good game. It was until the Spurs started with that 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.560 hack crap. How about this a little basketball te Mark 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.839 and I are clueless. I'm trying to follow. I'm following. 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.040 We all like the it and I like it. I'm 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.359 following it. All right, let's do a little news. I 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:05.640 told him to keep his shirt on. Uh that is 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.480 Barry Obama if you missed it at the White House. 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.920 I love Barack Obama. I'm gonna told him to keep 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.760 his shirt on. I've gotta miss I'm gonna miss it. 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.320 You know you can. I don't care what politics you 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:20.680 have or whatever. You gotta like the singers that Obama 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.680 always comes up with. You don't really like him as 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.320 much as his comedy writers. Well, I love I did 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.200 say he's got a great comedy writers. I mean, his 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:31.520 best line today was that, you know, he was he 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.960 usually makes a lot of jokes, um, but you know 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:37.200 he was worried today with the Patriots in town that 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:41.120 eleven of twelve could fall flat. You know, that's pretty good. 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.160 The newsroom generally found that to be a funny joke. 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.560 You know, he took on blotch. I guess. So he's 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.920 saying his delivery is good. He's he's good at delivery. Absolutely, 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.680 I'll give him whatever. I mean, he's will he follows 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.880 sports two care So it was fun. We're not really 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:56.360 going to talk about the White House that We'll talk 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.559 about some real news. And it dropped yesterday that Greg Hardy, 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:04.520 now of the Dallas Cowboys ten game suspension for violating 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:09.520 the league's conduct policy and really various offenses, uh, the 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:14.320 new personal conduct policy that includes domestic violence, a bigger 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:17.600 suspension than a lot of people expected. Do you think 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.200 the Cowboys would have still made this signing if they 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.039 knew he was gonna be suspended ten games. That's a 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.919 good question, because his salary makes a lot more sense 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.480 now that he's been suspended ten games, because he was 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.920 gonna you know, it was built his thirteen million over 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.920 sixteen games. So now it seems more in line with 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.880 you know, the fact that he's gonna miss most of 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.560 the season. I mean, the contract now looks like you said, 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.040 real smart, And I normally would say, at this point, 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:45.760 you know what, there's still a ton of football to 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.080 go with six games left, and I think this can 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.039 work out. And it can, except you are talking about 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:51.839 a guy that at this point would not have played 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.800 for what straight regular season games. They did play that 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.440 one week one game, which was so weird last year. 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:01.960 That's where I came to fifteen plus ten. That's right. 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:04.640 I don't know what I was thinking there, you go, 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:11.480 scientist what not? A mathematician? It is. I think that 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.760 the contract, I guess was smart because it was per game. 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.920 But they still, as Ian Rappaport, our NFL Media Insider reported, 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.320 you know, they were thinking it's gonna be anywhere from 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.400 two to four to six. So this is a big 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.760 surprise to them, and they don't have, um, you know, 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.040 pass rushers on that team. I also wasn't surprised on 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.960 in a certain you know, vantage point, because this is 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.560 the post ray Rice world. It's a different world in 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.320 the NFL. And Greg Hardy is kind of the foremost 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.440 example of that. So for them to come down very 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.920 hard on him isn't totally shocking. Well, there's two sides 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.120 to every story. But if what he is alleged to 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.640 have done is true, I have no problem with this, 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.000 of course, Yeah, I think most don't. And like the league, 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.360 one thing is, no matter what they do, you take 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.920 a hard stance like this, they're gonna get attacked on 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.160 Twitter for whatever this was, and they get attack. Did 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.160 they take two weakest stance? And I think that Dave. 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.680 For all the attacking the NFL gets and all the heat, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.240 I think they kind of stuck to the guns here 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.880 with this one. No bad pun intended there. Uh. The 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.920 only the only problem with Greg Hardy getting ten games 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.200 is that it wouldn't surprise me if it gets reduced 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:18.840 because he missed last year and he was paid. It 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.600 was not a suspension. But the NFL, they know it 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.760 more than anyone else. Are there in a bad streak 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.960 right now with these appeals. Yeah, they've gotten some things overturned. 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.480 Ray Rice was it was an issue Adrian Peterson's happened 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.720 in court. So this isn't really the end of this story. 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.239 Let's move on to the field, where the Miami Dolphins 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.760 uh continued their off season spending by going after Greg Jennings, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:45.520 signing the wide receiver ultimately to play replace Brian Hartline. 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.079 I guess kind of for that that spot in the 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.880 lineup slide up grade. I think Greg Jennings has spent 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:52.640 most of the last two years in the slot, but 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:56.400 that's Jarvis Landry's position in Miami, so I guess, and 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.360 he's playing the Z or or the X there. But yeah, 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:01.959 i've he's an upgrade on the heartline. How much money 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.960 did you get? Was it for eight two years? Eight million, 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.679 which probably means the only year guaranteed is the first year, 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.200 and it's you know, probably three and a half or 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:15.200 four similar money to your boy heartline. Yeah, I mean, 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:19.120 I don't think that hardline is gonna change events in Cleveland, 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.360 and I don't think Greg Jennings is gonna completely change 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.280 Miami's But for late April and what was left, not 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.000 a bad signing for the Dolphins. They needed veteran healthy 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.280 other all young guys, Yeah, Kenny Stills, Jervis Landry or 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.360 Shard Matthews. Now Greg Jennings. I don't think this precludes 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.920 them from drafting an early round wide receiver. No way, 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.840 by any stretch, he'll play for them, though. You know 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.280 when I watched them, when I watched the Teddy Bridgewater 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:44.920 tape lately, he didn't look like he was done by 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.040 any means. No, I think he had some place after 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.480 the catchy. He just looked like he was missing a 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:51.319 little bit, and he he had a hard time getting 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.719 on the same page with Teddy bridge Riter really more 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.320 than the other receivers there. Yeah, he was outplayed by 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:58.800 Charles Johnson, but I I agree. I think Greg Jenny 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.199 still is a little bit left in the town. Marvin 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.880 Lewis has got another year left in the tank and 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.720 the bank account to another one year extension. He hasn't 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.760 won a playoff game his entire run in Cincinnati, but 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:12.959 he gets another contract extension. This is through two thousand 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.360 and sixteen. Connor Or wrote a good piece on the 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.720 five untouchable coaches in the NFL right now that haven't 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.480 necessarily had recent playoffs success, But it just seems like 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.400 they're almost untouchable. They're gonna keep their jobs if they 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.640 just keep their current level. And Marvin Lewis is one 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.560 of those guys. If you were a Bengals fan, Mark Sessler, 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:35.520 would you be happy about this move? Well, if I 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.400 were a Bengal, if I were still a Bengals fan 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.440 at this point, I would be very frustrated with Marvin Lewis. 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.760 I'd be very frustrated with his decisions at quarterback. And 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.560 basically it boils back down to Wes's boy Mike Brown. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:52.439 Who Why is Marvin Lewis untouchable because apparently the Brown 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:55.600 family does not feel they need to upgrade this situation. 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.120 I mean, I don't know what you're gonna get. What 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.000 you get with Marvin Lewis, Well, this is a situation 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:04.200 and where unless you are from Cincinnati and are very 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:08.000 familiar with how this this franchise runs, they're a mom 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.360 and pop operation. They don't run their franchise like the 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.200 other thirty one teams, and they have they have the 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.720 most secretive front office formula of any franchise in the league. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.880 And what's happened is Mike Brown has seeded control to 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:24.120 a conglomerate of Marvin Lewis, sounds, Eva Duke Tobin, and 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.520 Katie Blackburn Brown and several other several other members of 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.719 the Brown family. So Marvin Lewis has a lot of 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.800 job security by being part of the personnel now like 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.760 he's in he's in the personnel department, and his coaches 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:37.880 are also have a big say in who they draft. 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:39.640 So I think that's a big part of it. And 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.000 if you I mean for perspective on on why Marvin 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.640 Lewis has been so successful. One ninety six and two 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.600 is his record, and since Mike Brown took over for 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.280 Paul Brown in all other Bengals coaches I believe are 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.600 fifty five and one forty six, which is a two 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.040 forty winning percentage. So Marvin Lewis has succeeded in an 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:04.080 operation where every other coach has failed tremendously. From another 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.200 angle that he could argue, we've been We've been to 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.360 the playoffs four straight years. Whether or not you like 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.640 Andy Dalton or you like Marvin Lewis, we're there. We 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.600 got a talented roster. It's not an absolute train wreck, 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:18.200 but it's just not there's nothing inspiring happening in Cincinnati. Well, 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.480 the other guys on Connor's list, Jeff Fisher, when was 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.640 the last time he made the playoffs? What's the last 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.160 time he didn't go seven and nine. This Sea last 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:29.360 year at six since then even worse. Uh, Tom Coughlin's 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:30.880 on that list. He's made the ploffs once in the 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.320 last six years. He's won two Super Bowls. I know, 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:35.800 I know, but I'm just saying he's under five hundred 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.640 over the last four years. Overall, he's made the playoffs 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.199 once in six years. Brad Childress has made the playoffs 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.840 as often as Tom Coughlin in the last six years. 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.840 Wade Phillips has made the playoffs as often. Todd Haley 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.160 has made the playoffs as often. I'm trying to think 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.520 of some other coaches. I don't know. Did Eric Studesville 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.680 make the playoffs for the Denver Broncos. Probably not, But 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.000 you know, at least Marvin Lewis to get to the 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.360 playoffs with the Bengals is in a comp push, man. 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.520 I think Marvin Lewis would be hired if he lost 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.719 that Bengals job by another team quickly. I don't think 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:06.679 he'd be hired as a head coach, really, I think 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:08.680 he'd be hired as a defensive coordinate. I think he 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.000 may be hired as a head coach depending on what 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:13.720 gaps were oute there. And you know when John Fox 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.840 got hired coming off a disastrous season, but I don't think. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.880 I don't think Marvin Lewis is quite as respected as 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.880 John FOXX. I disagree. I think the way I think 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.319 he'd get a lot of points for winning in Cincinnati, 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:29.000 and look at the coaches he's hired. You know, Hugh Jackson, 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.880 he has good contacts. Uh, Jay Gruden gets hired else where, 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:34.760 Mike Zimmer gets hired else I mean, that's a big 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.240 part of your job as executive. They've done very well drafted. 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.560 I think he probably gets some of the credit for that. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.199 They're winning with Andy Dalton, which is tough. Now we're 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.760 starting to like the resigning. This is looking I don't 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.360 mind it. I agree. I think that one of his 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.880 most valuable traits is that he brings in great assistance. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:50.640 So you worry about how great of a coach he 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.160 is or whether it's the assistance doing the work. But 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.679 he does deserve credit for some of the personnel moves, 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.760 for how good the roster has been lately. I just 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.360 don't know that is actual coaching and game management. To me, 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.800 it's among the worst in the NFL in big spots. 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.440 He's terrible at challenges. He's terrible at making decisions during 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:10.800 the game. I agree with that, Uh, and he doesn't 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.000 have his team ready to play in in the in 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:16.320 big games. One of the guys that's UH usually ready 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:20.440 to play in big games. But his last play was discouraging. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.520 Definitely not a good decision. Russell Wilson has been talked 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.040 in them news a lot because of his contract. He 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.840 was on NFL Network this week and he's really pushing 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.960 this baseball story and will be quick on this, but 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.480 it's really interesting. He talked with Dan Helly on Total 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:38.040 Access and he keeps insisting that his interest in baseball 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.480 is not a employ and that if anyone could pull 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.520 off baseball and football at the same time being a quarterback, 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.720 it would be him. What are you? What is this? 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:51.000 He needs a reality check? Well, let's let's compare him 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:55.040 to another two sport want to be athletes. Russell Wilson, 0:14:55.160 --> 0:15:00.400 at twenty two years old, straight out of college, has 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.800 been playing baseball the whole time. No layoff, HiT's two 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:09.360 twenty nine with a walk walk strikeout ratio. Terrible numbers 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.000 in a ball which is supposed to be easy. Michael 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:16.800 Jordan fifteen years from playing baseball. HiT's two oh two 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:20.520 with the same exact walk strikeout ratio and double a ball, 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:22.720 which is a lot harder, and he hadn't played in 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.160 fifteen years. Russell Wilson needs a wake up call. I 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.280 think if you're if you're at his age, you're early twenties, 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.720 and you're hailed around the NFL, is having completely cut 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.160 against the grain of the prototypical NFL quarterback, largely because 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.800 of who you are, how hard you work, how respected 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:40.760 you are. You've been to two straight Super Bowls, you've 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.240 turned you've created hundreds and thousands of jobs in Seattle. 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.680 You probably believe you can do anything. He really sounds 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.520 like it. You can see that to be a great 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.400 athlete you have to have a certain uh bit of 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.200 irrational confidence exactly naive. I don't know if it's being naive. 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.520 It's just wild belief. It's like it's like TDS belief 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.920 in his own basketball game or whatever it is producing skills. 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:07.640 It's just wild over confidence. It's founded on the producing front. 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:09.680 Just you know, I felt like you need to be 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.400 what is up with all this baseball. It's a little ridiculous. 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.560 It is kind of strange. Baseball is the hardest sport 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.680 sport to play. You just can't wake up and be like, oh, 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:18.760 just because I played it in college for a little while. 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:20.920 There's a reason you have to master each level of 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.120 the min right before you get to I love it. 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.040 Whenever they asked the Rangers general manager about it, because 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:28.480 all of his quotes, if you translate them down to 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.120 their essence, are like, are you eff and kidding me? 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.840 Like it's just like, oh, Russell's really competitive. We we 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:36.440 like him a lot. We think he's got a good 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.720 thing going in football, Like he's like, are you kidding me? 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:40.680 Why would he equill? Maybe they're getting a cut of 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.200 his new contract. I think it's all brinksmanship, is what 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:46.320 this is, all right? That is that is the news 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:50.120 for today, on this beautiful hands, this thirty fifth birthday, 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.040 which gets me thinking, why why don't we call them? 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:54.800 Let's not save let's not save that mother show. Let's 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.040 just see Okay, let's see if they went the old 0:16:57.080 --> 0:16:59.680 zeuser is up to on his birthday. Alright, TV, let's 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:10.399 get him on the horn. HI reached Dan. Sorry I 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.040 can't get to the phone right now, but leave a 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:13.479 message and I'll get back to you as soon as 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:18.000 I can at the telne Please record your message. When 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.600 you finished recording, you may hang up or press one 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:25.720 for more options. Hey, Dan, Mark Cesler here, your cohort 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.119 here at NFL Media. I just wanted to wish you 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.679 happy birthday. Also want a side note. Couldn't get you 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:32.439 on the phone here for the podcast. Could you just 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:34.960 call me back and give me your true thoughts on 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:36.800 a Chris Wesley And how do you feel that he 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.440 is as a colleague and be as a boss? Greg 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.159 Rosenthal rate him and through f Okay, what kind of 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.920 birthday message is that? I don't know, Happy birthday, Dan. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:47.720 I thought we were gonna sing or something. All right, 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:51.240 we'll see you. Oh that's it. I guess that didn't 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.800 work out well. I want to get information. I was 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:55.880 expecting you to go off on some you know, made 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.200 up story or tangent of that. There was a fire 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.440 at NFL Media and he had to come David, and 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.719 I want information from him on the most honest day 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.000 of the day he was born. I'm sure he'll call 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:10.000 me back. Dan, celebrating today. Also, you know your lovely 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.480 wife Simone, it's her birthday as well. It is a 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.600 little eerie. They were born not only on the same 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.240 month and day, but the same year, within hours of 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.960 each other, not in the same place. Could they be related? 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.520 I don't know. That's the thing. There's it's a mystery 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.679 that has you know, other limbs. We don't know. Have 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:29.720 you ever thought that dating simone is really the closest 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.280 you could do to indirectly dating your friend Dan Kansas? 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:36.920 Now I haven't correct, but now I am thinking that, 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.479 and thank you we s that's how I primit. All right, 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:44.280 let's move on to our talk about the two thousand 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.120 fourteen crop in West I talked about it. You got 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.120 your piece up right now on the best wide receivers 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:54.600 from the class, and it's a fascinating piece. Everyone should 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.040 check it out, you know, take your time with it, 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.600 nice and long, you know, print it out maybe if 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.800 you ller into paper and whatnot, and you make the 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.720 case that you think there could be ten number one 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:09.920 receivers in this one class. Well, I think there are 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:13.679 that many guys with potential. You Odell Beckham, Mike Evans, 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:17.199 Kelvin Benjamin already are Sammy Watkins I think he is. 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.200 So there's four right off the bat. John Brown who's 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.840 been compared to Marvin Harrison blew me away. When I 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.800 watched his film, he he might have been the guy 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.480 that I was more impressed than I expected to be. 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.760 You've got guys like these raw guys with number one 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:34.840 receiver talent, but they still need to work on the 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:39.480 route running and reading defenses, like Martavis Bryant, Cody Lattimer, 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:43.560 Dante Moncrief, You've got Jordan Matthews. So you think Dante 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.480 Moncrief could be a potential number one receiver with Andrew Luck, 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.680 I do, and and I believe I believe you called 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:52.359 him that at one point last year that when you 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:54.560 watched him, you saw a number one receiver. He is 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.000 physically really talented. I was surprised to hear you say that. 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.399 And Jordan Matthews too, So you think he could be 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.840 more than us the slot game. He played the slot 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.680 more than any receiver in the NFL last year percentage wise. 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:07.800 But it seems like from their off season moves that 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.320 they're gonna move him outside this year, and if he's 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:13.480