1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast would be a good bit 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,799 Speaker 1: for Chip Kelly's offense. Welcome to another edition of the 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. I'm Greg Rosenthal alongside a couple 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: of heroes, Mark Sessler and Chris Westling. Hey, Greg, see 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: I get no respect? What a pause between that? Yes? 6 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: Of course. If you'll notice our fearless host Dan Handas 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: not here today, Happy birthday to day in hand this, 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: he gave himself a big birthday present and that was 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: staying away from us. Who can blame him? Listen, I'll 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: tell you what it's been hot in this studio. Came 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: up here about ten minutes ago while TV was fiddling 12 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: around the controls behind the glass, and the heat between 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: Rosenthal and west is uncomfortable. Hold on here, you're distancing 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: yourself from this? Yes, well, it really started as Mark 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: and west arguing about a Josh McCown versus Zach Mettenberger 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: who would you rather have? And then it really kick 17 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: started a week long argument that really has threatened to 18 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: tear apart the Around the NFL group about Zach Mettenberger 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: between Chris Wesley and myself, which we're really going to 20 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: dive into a little more later in this show. You're excited. Yeah, 21 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure listeners are just hanging on waiting for the 22 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: extra Zach Mettenberger analysis. Well, it's late April. Let's show us. 23 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: You know this heat the scientist eat or any arguments 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: between us is you know, not really just manufactured. We're 25 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: talking about whether we're on the podcast or not. I 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: guarantee right now Dan Is, when he's listening to this, 27 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: he's like, not enough birthday talk about Dan. We've got 28 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: to talk more about that aspect. Big three five for Danny. 29 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: Oh really, that's a big one. I guess at this point, 30 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: does it really matter he can officially run for US president. Well, 31 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: we will call Dan hands Is a little bit later, 32 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: see if he's there. He doesn't know we're gonna do this, 33 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: so he might not answer. We'll see what happens. He might. Yeah, 34 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: we gotta big show. I mean, we got that. We 35 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: are gonna talk about a little series we're doing re 36 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: drafting and ranking the class of two thousand and fourteen 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: draft at different positions. Okay, you know, if we get 38 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: all the draft knicks out there they're studying in all 39 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: the college tape, what about the guys that are actually 40 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: in the league. Let's revisit him a year later, get 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: our you know, studying on West did a huge, great 42 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: piece on the wide receivers, one of the best classes 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: of all time, maybe the best. I am putting out 44 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: one on the quarterbacks and Mark has the tight end, 45 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: so we'll talk about that a little later. Tight ends. Hey, 46 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: Jason Morrow as a person too, and uh, we also 47 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: have Daniel Jeremiah on the show. With the NFL Draft 48 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: only a week away, we're gonna talk to DJ. Dan 49 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: was here. We pre taped that on Wednesday, and we're 50 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: gonna talk a little draft. Get some knowledge from Danna Jeremiah. 51 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: He had he has another pot. He does something else here, right, 52 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: he does well the Stake's podcast. Check it up. You 53 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: get to the draft talk. I stayed out of that 54 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: segment and I'm not on it because DJ, you know, 55 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: he on Twitter got to me, said a little uncomfortable 56 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: to have to go up with the tape watching that 57 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: you've been doing on some of the defensive tackle prospects 58 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: in line. I said, I'll sit out. This will be 59 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: your thing, but yeah, well you have to listen. There 60 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: was some awkward moments between him and Dan Jansas that 61 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: I don't tell very bubbly DJ. On this episode, he 62 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: was excited to be here. Other than you know, they've 63 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: they've had the heat between Dan and uh. You know 64 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: there's heat between West and I. But of course there's 65 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: a lot of love. I felt bad, really for you 66 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: last night when you almost lost your four thousand word 67 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: opus to the vagaries of your computer. You said you 68 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: were you were literally going to cry in the newsroom 69 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: by yourself at eight o'clock at night. And so when 70 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: I t guys saved you, I was five minutes away 71 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: from rolling into the fetal position and sucking my thumb 72 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: and just calling it quits on every on life. I mean, 73 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: it was just what did it just disappear into it? 74 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: Thought he lost the whole I hit a button called 75 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: save draft, and four thousand words up and disappeared. That 76 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: is a horror movie for a writer, basically, just I 77 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: mean it was hopeless, especially a week and a half 78 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: of film watching, research, note taking, and then crafting the words. 79 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: I went the way I want them all out the window? 80 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: Are you here right now? Like I will still be, 81 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: I will still be. He got back recaptured after like 82 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: a couple of hours, Like they were like oh, you 83 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: just have to email word Press and figure it out, 84 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: because we can't figure anything. It's called different levels of 85 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: work ethic. That's why he's here. I mean, yeah, he 86 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: wasn't messing around. He went and watched this his San 87 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs West is my beloved San Antony he key 88 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: big Spurs fan. And then you know, finished the column 89 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: after that. So we'll get to all that later. But 90 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: good game. It was until the Spurs started with that 91 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: hack crap. How about this a little basketball te Mark 92 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: and I are clueless. I'm trying to follow. I'm following. 93 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: We all like the it and I like it. I'm 94 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: following it. All right, let's do a little news. I 95 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: told him to keep his shirt on. Uh that is 96 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: Barry Obama if you missed it at the White House. 97 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: I love Barack Obama. I'm gonna told him to keep 98 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: his shirt on. I've gotta miss I'm gonna miss it. 99 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: You know you can. I don't care what politics you 100 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: have or whatever. You gotta like the singers that Obama 101 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: always comes up with. You don't really like him as 102 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: much as his comedy writers. Well, I love I did 103 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: say he's got a great comedy writers. I mean, his 104 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: best line today was that, you know, he was he 105 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: usually makes a lot of jokes, um, but you know 106 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: he was worried today with the Patriots in town that 107 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: eleven of twelve could fall flat. You know, that's pretty good. 108 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: The newsroom generally found that to be a funny joke. 109 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: You know, he took on blotch. I guess. So he's 110 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: saying his delivery is good. He's he's good at delivery. Absolutely, 111 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: I'll give him whatever. I mean, he's will he follows 112 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: sports two care So it was fun. We're not really 113 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: going to talk about the White House that We'll talk 114 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,559 Speaker 1: about some real news. And it dropped yesterday that Greg Hardy, 115 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: now of the Dallas Cowboys ten game suspension for violating 116 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: the league's conduct policy and really various offenses, uh, the 117 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: new personal conduct policy that includes domestic violence, a bigger 118 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: suspension than a lot of people expected. Do you think 119 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: the Cowboys would have still made this signing if they 120 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: knew he was gonna be suspended ten games. That's a 121 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: good question, because his salary makes a lot more sense 122 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: now that he's been suspended ten games, because he was 123 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: gonna you know, it was built his thirteen million over 124 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: sixteen games. So now it seems more in line with 125 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: you know, the fact that he's gonna miss most of 126 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: the season. I mean, the contract now looks like you said, 127 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: real smart, And I normally would say, at this point, 128 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: you know what, there's still a ton of football to 129 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: go with six games left, and I think this can 130 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: work out. And it can, except you are talking about 131 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: a guy that at this point would not have played 132 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: for what straight regular season games. They did play that 133 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: one week one game, which was so weird last year. 134 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: That's where I came to fifteen plus ten. That's right. 135 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what I was thinking there, you go, 136 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: scientist what not? A mathematician? It is. I think that 137 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: the contract, I guess was smart because it was per game. 138 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: But they still, as Ian Rappaport, our NFL Media Insider reported, 139 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, they were thinking it's gonna be anywhere from 140 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: two to four to six. So this is a big 141 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: surprise to them, and they don't have, um, you know, 142 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: pass rushers on that team. I also wasn't surprised on 143 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: in a certain you know, vantage point, because this is 144 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: the post ray Rice world. It's a different world in 145 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: the NFL. And Greg Hardy is kind of the foremost 146 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: example of that. So for them to come down very 147 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: hard on him isn't totally shocking. Well, there's two sides 148 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: to every story. But if what he is alleged to 149 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: have done is true, I have no problem with this, 150 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: of course, Yeah, I think most don't. And like the league, 151 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: one thing is, no matter what they do, you take 152 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: a hard stance like this, they're gonna get attacked on 153 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: Twitter for whatever this was, and they get attack. Did 154 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: they take two weakest stance? And I think that Dave. 155 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: For all the attacking the NFL gets and all the heat, 156 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: I think they kind of stuck to the guns here 157 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: with this one. No bad pun intended there. Uh. The 158 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: only the only problem with Greg Hardy getting ten games 159 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: is that it wouldn't surprise me if it gets reduced 160 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: because he missed last year and he was paid. It 161 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: was not a suspension. But the NFL, they know it 162 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: more than anyone else. Are there in a bad streak 163 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: right now with these appeals. Yeah, they've gotten some things overturned. 164 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: Ray Rice was it was an issue Adrian Peterson's happened 165 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: in court. So this isn't really the end of this story. 166 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,239 Speaker 1: Let's move on to the field, where the Miami Dolphins 167 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: uh continued their off season spending by going after Greg Jennings, 168 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: signing the wide receiver ultimately to play replace Brian Hartline. 169 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: I guess kind of for that that spot in the 170 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: lineup slide up grade. I think Greg Jennings has spent 171 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: most of the last two years in the slot, but 172 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: that's Jarvis Landry's position in Miami, so I guess, and 173 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: he's playing the Z or or the X there. But yeah, 174 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: i've he's an upgrade on the heartline. How much money 175 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: did you get? Was it for eight two years? Eight million, 176 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: which probably means the only year guaranteed is the first year, 177 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: and it's you know, probably three and a half or 178 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: four similar money to your boy heartline. Yeah, I mean, 179 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: I don't think that hardline is gonna change events in Cleveland, 180 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: and I don't think Greg Jennings is gonna completely change 181 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: Miami's But for late April and what was left, not 182 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: a bad signing for the Dolphins. They needed veteran healthy 183 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: other all young guys, Yeah, Kenny Stills, Jervis Landry or 184 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: Shard Matthews. Now Greg Jennings. I don't think this precludes 185 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: them from drafting an early round wide receiver. No way, 186 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: by any stretch, he'll play for them, though. You know 187 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: when I watched them, when I watched the Teddy Bridgewater 188 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: tape lately, he didn't look like he was done by 189 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: any means. No, I think he had some place after 190 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: the catchy. He just looked like he was missing a 191 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: little bit, and he he had a hard time getting 192 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: on the same page with Teddy bridge Riter really more 193 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: than the other receivers there. Yeah, he was outplayed by 194 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: Charles Johnson, but I I agree. I think Greg Jenny 195 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: still is a little bit left in the town. Marvin 196 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: Lewis has got another year left in the tank and 197 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: the bank account to another one year extension. He hasn't 198 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: won a playoff game his entire run in Cincinnati, but 199 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,959 Speaker 1: he gets another contract extension. This is through two thousand 200 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: and sixteen. Connor Or wrote a good piece on the 201 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: five untouchable coaches in the NFL right now that haven't 202 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: necessarily had recent playoffs success, But it just seems like 203 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: they're almost untouchable. They're gonna keep their jobs if they 204 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: just keep their current level. And Marvin Lewis is one 205 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: of those guys. If you were a Bengals fan, Mark Sessler, 206 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: would you be happy about this move? Well, if I 207 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: were a Bengal, if I were still a Bengals fan 208 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: at this point, I would be very frustrated with Marvin Lewis. 209 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: I'd be very frustrated with his decisions at quarterback. And 210 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: basically it boils back down to Wes's boy Mike Brown. 211 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: Who Why is Marvin Lewis untouchable because apparently the Brown 212 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: family does not feel they need to upgrade this situation. 213 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what you're gonna get. What 214 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: you get with Marvin Lewis, Well, this is a situation 215 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: and where unless you are from Cincinnati and are very 216 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: familiar with how this this franchise runs, they're a mom 217 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: and pop operation. They don't run their franchise like the 218 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: other thirty one teams, and they have they have the 219 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: most secretive front office formula of any franchise in the league. 220 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: And what's happened is Mike Brown has seeded control to 221 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: a conglomerate of Marvin Lewis, sounds, Eva Duke Tobin, and 222 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: Katie Blackburn Brown and several other several other members of 223 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: the Brown family. So Marvin Lewis has a lot of 224 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: job security by being part of the personnel now like 225 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: he's in he's in the personnel department, and his coaches 226 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: are also have a big say in who they draft. 227 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: So I think that's a big part of it. And 228 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: if you I mean for perspective on on why Marvin 229 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: Lewis has been so successful. One ninety six and two 230 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: is his record, and since Mike Brown took over for 231 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: Paul Brown in all other Bengals coaches I believe are 232 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: fifty five and one forty six, which is a two 233 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: forty winning percentage. So Marvin Lewis has succeeded in an 234 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: operation where every other coach has failed tremendously. From another 235 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: angle that he could argue, we've been We've been to 236 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: the playoffs four straight years. Whether or not you like 237 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton or you like Marvin Lewis, we're there. We 238 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: got a talented roster. It's not an absolute train wreck, 239 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: but it's just not there's nothing inspiring happening in Cincinnati. Well, 240 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: the other guys on Connor's list, Jeff Fisher, when was 241 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: the last time he made the playoffs? What's the last 242 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: time he didn't go seven and nine. This Sea last 243 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: year at six since then even worse. Uh, Tom Coughlin's 244 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: on that list. He's made the ploffs once in the 245 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: last six years. He's won two Super Bowls. I know, 246 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: I know, but I'm just saying he's under five hundred 247 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: over the last four years. Overall, he's made the playoffs 248 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: once in six years. Brad Childress has made the playoffs 249 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: as often as Tom Coughlin in the last six years. 250 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: Wade Phillips has made the playoffs as often. Todd Haley 251 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: has made the playoffs as often. I'm trying to think 252 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: of some other coaches. I don't know. Did Eric Studesville 253 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: make the playoffs for the Denver Broncos. Probably not, But 254 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, at least Marvin Lewis to get to the 255 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: playoffs with the Bengals is in a comp push, man. 256 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: I think Marvin Lewis would be hired if he lost 257 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 1: that Bengals job by another team quickly. I don't think 258 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: he'd be hired as a head coach, really, I think 259 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: he'd be hired as a defensive coordinate. I think he 260 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: may be hired as a head coach depending on what 261 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: gaps were oute there. And you know when John Fox 262 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: got hired coming off a disastrous season, but I don't think. 263 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: I don't think Marvin Lewis is quite as respected as 264 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: John FOXX. I disagree. I think the way I think 265 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: he'd get a lot of points for winning in Cincinnati, 266 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: and look at the coaches he's hired. You know, Hugh Jackson, 267 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: he has good contacts. Uh, Jay Gruden gets hired else where, 268 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer gets hired else I mean, that's a big 269 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: part of your job as executive. They've done very well drafted. 270 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: I think he probably gets some of the credit for that. 271 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,199 Speaker 1: They're winning with Andy Dalton, which is tough. Now we're 272 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: starting to like the resigning. This is looking I don't 273 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: mind it. I agree. I think that one of his 274 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: most valuable traits is that he brings in great assistance. 275 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: So you worry about how great of a coach he 276 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: is or whether it's the assistance doing the work. But 277 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: he does deserve credit for some of the personnel moves, 278 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: for how good the roster has been lately. I just 279 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: don't know that is actual coaching and game management. To me, 280 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: it's among the worst in the NFL in big spots. 281 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: He's terrible at challenges. He's terrible at making decisions during 282 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: the game. I agree with that, Uh, and he doesn't 283 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: have his team ready to play in in the in 284 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: big games. One of the guys that's UH usually ready 285 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: to play in big games. But his last play was discouraging. 286 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: Definitely not a good decision. Russell Wilson has been talked 287 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: in them news a lot because of his contract. He 288 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: was on NFL Network this week and he's really pushing 289 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: this baseball story and will be quick on this, but 290 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: it's really interesting. He talked with Dan Helly on Total 291 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: Access and he keeps insisting that his interest in baseball 292 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: is not a employ and that if anyone could pull 293 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: off baseball and football at the same time being a quarterback, 294 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: it would be him. What are you? What is this? 295 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: He needs a reality check? Well, let's let's compare him 296 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: to another two sport want to be athletes. Russell Wilson, 297 00:14:55,160 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: at twenty two years old, straight out of college, has 298 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: been playing baseball the whole time. No layoff, HiT's two 299 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: twenty nine with a walk walk strikeout ratio. Terrible numbers 300 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: in a ball which is supposed to be easy. Michael 301 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: Jordan fifteen years from playing baseball. HiT's two oh two 302 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: with the same exact walk strikeout ratio and double a ball, 303 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: which is a lot harder, and he hadn't played in 304 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: fifteen years. Russell Wilson needs a wake up call. I 305 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: think if you're if you're at his age, you're early twenties, 306 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: and you're hailed around the NFL, is having completely cut 307 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: against the grain of the prototypical NFL quarterback, largely because 308 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: of who you are, how hard you work, how respected 309 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: you are. You've been to two straight Super Bowls, you've 310 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: turned you've created hundreds and thousands of jobs in Seattle. 311 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: You probably believe you can do anything. He really sounds 312 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: like it. You can see that to be a great 313 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: athlete you have to have a certain uh bit of 314 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: irrational confidence exactly naive. I don't know if it's being naive. 315 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: It's just wild belief. It's like it's like TDS belief 316 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: in his own basketball game or whatever it is producing skills. 317 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: It's just wild over confidence. It's founded on the producing front. 318 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: Just you know, I felt like you need to be 319 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: what is up with all this baseball. It's a little ridiculous. 320 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: It is kind of strange. Baseball is the hardest sport 321 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: sport to play. You just can't wake up and be like, oh, 322 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: just because I played it in college for a little while. 323 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: There's a reason you have to master each level of 324 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: the min right before you get to I love it. 325 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: Whenever they asked the Rangers general manager about it, because 326 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: all of his quotes, if you translate them down to 327 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: their essence, are like, are you eff and kidding me? 328 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: Like it's just like, oh, Russell's really competitive. We we 329 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: like him a lot. We think he's got a good 330 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: thing going in football, Like he's like, are you kidding me? 331 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: Why would he equill? Maybe they're getting a cut of 332 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: his new contract. I think it's all brinksmanship, is what 333 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: this is, all right? That is that is the news 334 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: for today, on this beautiful hands, this thirty fifth birthday, 335 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: which gets me thinking, why why don't we call them? 336 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: Let's not save let's not save that mother show. Let's 337 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: just see Okay, let's see if they went the old 338 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: zeuser is up to on his birthday. Alright, TV, let's 339 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: get him on the horn. HI reached Dan. Sorry I 340 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: can't get to the phone right now, but leave a 341 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 1: message and I'll get back to you as soon as 342 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: I can at the telne Please record your message. When 343 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: you finished recording, you may hang up or press one 344 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: for more options. Hey, Dan, Mark Cesler here, your cohort 345 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: here at NFL Media. I just wanted to wish you 346 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: happy birthday. Also want a side note. Couldn't get you 347 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: on the phone here for the podcast. Could you just 348 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: call me back and give me your true thoughts on 349 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: a Chris Wesley And how do you feel that he 350 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: is as a colleague and be as a boss? Greg 351 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: Rosenthal rate him and through f Okay, what kind of 352 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: birthday message is that? I don't know, Happy birthday, Dan. 353 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: I thought we were gonna sing or something. All right, 354 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: we'll see you. Oh that's it. I guess that didn't 355 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: work out well. I want to get information. I was 356 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 1: expecting you to go off on some you know, made 357 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: up story or tangent of that. There was a fire 358 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: at NFL Media and he had to come David, and 359 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 1: I want information from him on the most honest day 360 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: of the day he was born. I'm sure he'll call 361 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: me back. Dan, celebrating today. Also, you know your lovely 362 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: wife Simone, it's her birthday as well. It is a 363 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: little eerie. They were born not only on the same 364 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: month and day, but the same year, within hours of 365 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: each other, not in the same place. Could they be related? 366 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's the thing. There's it's a mystery 367 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: that has you know, other limbs. We don't know. Have 368 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: you ever thought that dating simone is really the closest 369 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: you could do to indirectly dating your friend Dan Kansas? 370 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: Now I haven't correct, but now I am thinking that, 371 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,479 Speaker 1: and thank you we s that's how I primit. All right, 372 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: let's move on to our talk about the two thousand 373 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: fourteen crop in West I talked about it. You got 374 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: your piece up right now on the best wide receivers 375 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: from the class, and it's a fascinating piece. Everyone should 376 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: check it out, you know, take your time with it, 377 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: nice and long, you know, print it out maybe if 378 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: you ller into paper and whatnot, and you make the 379 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: case that you think there could be ten number one 380 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: receivers in this one class. Well, I think there are 381 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 1: that many guys with potential. You Odell Beckham, Mike Evans, 382 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: Kelvin Benjamin already are Sammy Watkins I think he is. 383 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: So there's four right off the bat. John Brown who's 384 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: been compared to Marvin Harrison blew me away. When I 385 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: watched his film, he he might have been the guy 386 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: that I was more impressed than I expected to be. 387 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: You've got guys like these raw guys with number one 388 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: receiver talent, but they still need to work on the 389 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: route running and reading defenses, like Martavis Bryant, Cody Lattimer, 390 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: Dante Moncrief, You've got Jordan Matthews. So you think Dante 391 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: Moncrief could be a potential number one receiver with Andrew Luck, 392 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: I do, and and I believe I believe you called 393 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: him that at one point last year that when you 394 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: watched him, you saw a number one receiver. He is 395 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: physically really talented. I was surprised to hear you say that. 396 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: And Jordan Matthews too, So you think he could be 397 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: more than us the slot game. He played the slot 398 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: more than any receiver in the NFL last year percentage wise. 399 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: But it seems like from their off season moves that 400 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: they're gonna move him outside this year, and if he's 401 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: in that number one role for the Eagles, his production 402 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: is going to go through the roof. Just look what 403 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: de Sean Jackson and Jeremy Macklin have done. So I 404 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: think that's that's about ten guys right there. Brandon Cooks, 405 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: who knows what he's going to be. Has anyone I mean, 406 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: obviously the potential for this classes, but maybe the best 407 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: wide receiver group ever because also the position is just 408 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: so much more refined than it used to be as well, 409 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: anyone on this list disappointed you with what they where 410 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: they were drafting, and where they are. You know what, 411 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: there really wasn't a lot of disappointment. I would say 412 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: that Mark Heasley, you need to watch all of his 413 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: games because the first half of the season was just 414 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: a massive failure. He dropped passes, didn't know his assignments, 415 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: didn't make plays, and then right around week thirteen he 416 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: starts to show that explosive run after catchability that he 417 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: was billed to have when he was seen as his 418 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: sophomore year in college the number one receiver in the country. 419 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: So he's a guy that you kind of have to 420 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: watch all of his film and you can see his 421 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: his upside a little bit there. Jarvis Landry, I think 422 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: with him, like I was really impressed during the season 423 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: with his run after catchability, but again limited to the slot. 424 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: He's never gonna be anything but a slot receiver. And 425 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: so many of his passes were manufactured by the play caller, 426 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: not the quarterback. It was quick tosses within four or 427 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: five yards of the line of scrimmage, a lot of 428 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: emotion behind the quarterback, a lot of creativity there. And 429 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how much of that is 430 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: his his natural ability and how much is that just 431 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: the play caller making him. Well, call him a destitute 432 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: man's high reward. Well, he does have that physicality to him, 433 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: and he's I'm amazed he's on the slow side. I'm 434 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: amazed you ranked him below Marquis Lee and Allen Robinson. 435 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: I like Allen Robinson. Ellen Robinson's a playmaker. I think 436 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: he's a little on the slow, slow side for a 437 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: deep threat, but if you watch his kind of catch 438 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: radius and his ability to high point his body control, 439 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: it's more impressive than Sammy Watkins. Bortos has a chance 440 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: in this offense to get a lot better in this 441 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: second year with Robinson, Lee and Alan Hearns, who has 442 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: sneaked on the end of the list. Unfortunately, you compared 443 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: him to Kevin Ogletree. It's not really think the most 444 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 1: you know, flattering comparable. It was hard to come up 445 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: with an Alan Hearns comparison. He's on the thin side. Uh, 446 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: he's not physical, he's not a great athlete, he doesn't 447 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 1: jump well, how do you NFL receivers normally do all 448 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: those things? So, and he also had there was a 449 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: flukey nature to his big plays where it was a 450 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: lot of blown coverage and a lot of mistackles. And 451 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's repeatable. It's crazy how deep 452 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: this classes. Because at the end of your article, and 453 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 1: people should read it right to the last line, you 454 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: even give nuggets about guys like Bruce Ellington, Taylor Gabriel, 455 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: Paul Richardson, and even they have potential. I mean Taylor 456 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: Gabriel for Clearland terrible last last season, Gabriel was second 457 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: on the Browns and receiving yards. And you know Josh 458 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: Huff who there are some people in the Eagles organization 459 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: think he has a higher upside than Jordan Matthews. So 460 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: you're right a lot of I mean, we can go 461 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: twenty five deep in names, but it's hard. It's hard 462 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: to evaluate guys like Michael Campanaro, who only you know, 463 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: played a hundred snaps for the Raven. Now let's talk 464 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: about the guys closer to top. I mean, you had 465 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham all by himself the number one, number one. 466 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: I think it's it's silly to have anyone else as 467 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: a number one overall pick in that draft. If you 468 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: if you're redrafting, and your comparison for him, I liked 469 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: a lot a souped up Steve Smith slash Antonio Brown 470 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: hybrid with flashes of Michael Jordan's. I mean, that's it. 471 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: We we've kind of been through your love of Odell Beckham. 472 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: I found it interesting you ranked Mike Evans over Sammy 473 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: Watkins and you didn't put numbers next to I say, 474 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: I see what you do, trying to put him in tears, 475 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: and you put it in the tears obviously of great players, 476 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: future Pro bowlers. But ultimately you put Evans his name first, 477 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: Watkins next, and Kelvin Benjamin third of that group. How 478 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: do that's a KG move. I'm a savvy veteran. I 479 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: know that if I put numbers, that that's all I'm 480 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: gonna hear about on Twitter. Fine, but is about the 481 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: numbers and not the analysy I have about be a 482 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: man and take a stand. Ultimately, you have the name 483 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: on top there, Mike Evans. Why do you like him 484 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: better than the other two? Well, Evans and Watkins were 485 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: extremely close, and I went back and forth. I copied 486 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: and pasted one over the other about ten different times. 487 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: Mike Evans makes place at the catch point, he makes 488 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: contested catches and Sammy, Sammy Watkins really didn't. And that's 489 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: Sammy Watsins is a lot, He's a lot more explosive, 490 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: but he didn't help out his quarterbacks, and his quarterbacks 491 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: didn't help out him. Mike Evans definitely helped out his quarterbacks. 492 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: Walk into the moments. He was playing with such a 493 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: bum Josh McCown. Josh McCown got the ball to Mike Evans. 494 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: Kyle Orton could not get the ball to Sammy Watkins. 495 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: His ball placement was horrendous. It surprised me how bad 496 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: Orton was. Watkins also was playing injured all year. He's 497 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: hard to evaluate because of the poor quarterback play and 498 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: he played through groin, rib and hip injury, so he's 499 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: really hard to evaluate. It wouldn't surprise me at all 500 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: if he has a better career than Mike Evans. I 501 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: mean how much when you're watching one year of tape. 502 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: I did tight ends, and I had to factor in 503 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: the quarterback play as well, because with some of these 504 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: quarterbacks that like Sammy Watkins, you are dealing with a 505 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: total issue there. And frankly, honestly the same with Mike Evans. 506 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: What Evans did with going back and forth between two 507 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: quarterbacks last season, he was spectacular down the stretch. Well, 508 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: I would say that another factor that's very important and 509 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: why I had Watkins over Evans a couple of times 510 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: before I changed it. Watkins was doing this against number 511 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: one corners and doubles tang big. Evans was joined it 512 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: against mismatches in number two corners when they play the Browns, 513 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,719 Speaker 1: Evans is getting buster screen, not Joe Hayden. And some 514 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: of those Evans plays were a little flukey too. Yeah, 515 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: some times it was bad and he got away with 516 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: a lot of push offs. But he's a more dynamic athlete. 517 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: Thing you think Calvin Benjamin I ranked below those two 518 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: guys because one way too many drops. I mean, he's 519 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: one of those guys that he makes the hard plays 520 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: look easy and the easy plays look hard. He's also 521 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: one of those guys. Even when he's not open, he's 522 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: open four feet over his head. And that's perfect for 523 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: Am Newton because when he's wild, he's wild high. He's 524 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 1: the perfect receiver for Cam Newton. Um and and again 525 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: did it against number one corners. Did it again, Desmond Truyfont, 526 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith. They trailed him around the field. I I 527 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: love Kelvin Benjamin. I don't know if I would rank 528 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: him second on this list, but just my personal which 529 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: one I like. I like Kevin Benjamin. I think he 530 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: has a chance to be better than those two guys. 531 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: There's another factor. Kevin Benjamin is almost three years older 532 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: than Mike Evans. That that is significantly. He's such a weird, 533 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: interesting receiver because he's a deep threat that's not really 534 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: that fast, which is interesting, and he's just a he's 535 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: just a big guy. You're speed when he's tracking the 536 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: ball though, which is important for for a big guy 537 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: like that, he can be covered. And he's a natural 538 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: receiver though. I mean he is a really natural receiver. 539 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: I think more than Evans. You called Evans a stretch 540 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: forward and cleats it. I can see the upside for Evans, 541 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: but there's something about Benjamin that drops her a problem. 542 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: But it seemed like he maybe isn't all there um 543 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: mentally right now. Is that fair? He has a lot 544 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: to pick up at the NFL level, But that can happen. 545 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'm a guy like t O 546 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: when he was entering the league and stuff. I could 547 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: see that guy once he starts figuring things out, that 548 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,239 Speaker 1: he could be. There's another difference to that. Evans has 549 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: an advantage, I think a major advantage and run after catchability. 550 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: They both can high point, they both can win contested catches. 551 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: Benjamin is probably a little bit more physical just because 552 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: he's got that wide body, but Evans is a Evans 553 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: can be a beast after the catch at times, and 554 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: Benjamin really needs space to operate. It's crazy to think 555 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: that the way this goes, they should all be better 556 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: this season. Now, injuries will play apart. But then I 557 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: look at a guy like John Brown because of all 558 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: what happened with the quarterback chaos during that season. Mr. Yeah, 559 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: and I and that's one guy that we spent all 560 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: last summer where Steve Kim and the Cardinals were just 561 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: showering praise and I thought, you know, we're gonna get 562 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: fried for these articles, writing one after the other saying 563 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: how he can be touched in practice. But he paid off. 564 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: I thought in games right away he was a difference maker. 565 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: He was. I was so impressed with him watching and 566 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: I wrote a lot of flowery articles, as did you. 567 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: But I also wrote a lot of flowery articles about 568 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, and after watching both of their all of 569 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: their targets, I was way more impressed with John Brown 570 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: than Brandon cook So you draft Brown? Where would you 571 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: draft Brown? Let's say, in a random, just nebulous draft 572 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: like early twenties. Okay, that's pretty good. That's pretty good 573 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: for a guy you got in the fifth third. And 574 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals would too if they had to 575 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: do it again. He's a guy where the difference between 576 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: him and Cooks was right away. And this is part 577 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: of why Bruce arians is such a great coach. Has 578 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: him lining up all over the formation. He's doing the usual, 579 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, the jitterbug routes where you give him slants 580 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: and crossers and end a rounds and real quick swing passes. 581 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: He's doing all that stuff, but he's also running sideline 582 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: routes and he's burning guys deep. Sigmund Bloom had a 583 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: great line. He goes and gets that deep ball like 584 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: a frisbee catching dog. You throw that, You throw that 585 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: deep ball and he'll run and go get it. I 586 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: mean he just go under it and he'll burn the 587 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: guy and get it. He goes then go to the 588 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: playoffs because of that. Ultimately, that was like one of 589 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: the best players of the season that he made against 590 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: and he did that what three or four times in 591 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: the first month of the season. You know, it's funny, 592 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: like we so we talked to Larry Fitzgerald yesterday on 593 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,719 Speaker 1: the phone and he like, oh, that's that we I mean, 594 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: did I didn't get on a group phone. TD wasn't there. 595 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: You know, that's you. You're the maybe listening. But we 596 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: talked that's about John Brown, you're the journal and he 597 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: basically said that John Brown, the thing that was most 598 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: impressive was what you just said, how he picked it 599 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: up the offense and played all over the field. And 600 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: I was thinking, wait, that's the knock on Larry Fitzgerald 601 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: last season that he had trouble doing that himself out 602 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: of the gate in that offense. Yeah, it's impressive. That. 603 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: And you heard Steve kim their GM say that his 604 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: his knowledge of the route concepts, coming from tiny Pittsburgh State, 605 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: just blew them out of the water in the first 606 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,239 Speaker 1: mining camp that he already knew exactly where to go. 607 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: He's a really bright guy and interestingly enough nicknamed Smokey. Why, 608 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: by the of people should probably google it. Okay, all right, nothing, 609 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: I don't because he smokes defensive backs. I love or 610 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: illegal elements. I love the comparisons more than anything. Mike 611 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: Evans was Harold Carmichael Light. You know, yeah, d J 612 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: will probably just throwing in the one name comparison to 613 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: some current player. You're going all over and you're just 614 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: you're describing it. Mike Evans is Pierre Garson or Sammy 615 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: Watkins is Pierre Garson turned superhero totally. You know, I 616 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: know what you mean when you say that. You say, 617 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: Kelvin Benjamin is the evolutionary Plexico Burris. I wanted Plexico 618 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,959 Speaker 1: burros after Thanksgiving dinner, but I thought that was not 619 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: kind enough to Kelvin ben Jordan Matthews as mini Marcus Colston. Anyways, 620 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: lots of great stuff. We we will skip the whole 621 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: section of high upside projects with first round talent. I 622 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: love Martavis Bryant, so do you you compared him to 623 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: Chris Henry, which I thought was really interesting. Davante Adams 624 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: has a lot of potential. Cody Latimer was a little 625 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: higher than I expected to be on this list. Adams 626 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: was a guy that adversed how much I liked him. 627 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: He's not a who explodes off the film. He's not fast. 628 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: He's a really good route runner. He's got a great 629 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: double move. You could you could see the difference between 630 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: him and a guy like Alan Robinson where they both 631 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: are using double moves. Robinson's doesn't get him open, but 632 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: Adams does. And I think he's gonna be the McCarthy's 633 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: talking up their offense like it's gonna be really dynamic, 634 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: and I think Adams is one of the reasons why 635 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: that he's gonna be facing third cornerbacks. I like him. 636 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 1: That's a tough offense to pick up as a rookie. 637 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: He he's slipped in under the radar, finished the season, 638 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: had a couple of games. He really had two big 639 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: games in the season that they wouldn't have won the 640 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: game without Davante Adams. For a rookie to just come 641 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: in and do that is impressive. In that system, They're scary. 642 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: Everyone should read this site. Let's move on, uh to 643 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: one of the other positions. Let's go over to quarterback 644 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: here and uh my piece which will be posting on 645 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: Friday on the site, so it might not be quite 646 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: up when you listen to this ranks the quarterbacks of 647 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: the two thousand and fourteen class. And you know, I 648 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: start by saying, ultimately, the draft process did Teddy Bridgewater dirty. 649 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: Between the pro day and some private workouts and some 650 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: whispers he wasn't truly a leader. Skinny knees, right, he 651 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: somehow got knocked down to the end of the And 652 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: I think they got the best quarterback in this draft, 653 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: or at least the guy that I think is the 654 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: safest and I know for sure is going to be there. 655 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: And then after him, I think there's a group of 656 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: four guys who all I think they all have a chance, 657 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: but I don't really know. And I ranked him Blake 658 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: Boardles number two, Zach Mettenberger all the way up to 659 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: number three. I have him ahead of Derek Carr, and 660 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: I threw Jimmy Garoppolo in that group because even though 661 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: we didn't see a lot out of him. I liked 662 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: what I saw, and I think he has a chance 663 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: moving forward. West has taken me to task for this 664 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: Mettenberger at three, So why why don't we start there? Well, 665 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: I think that it's fun for me that you're gonna 666 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: have Raiders fans, you know, haranguing you. Yeah, I won't 667 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: have to deal with him because I would not have 668 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: ranked Mettenberger over Derek Carr. I mean, I think Derek 669 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: Carr people are going wildly overboard about a mediocre rook season, 670 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: but very mediocre, very media you know, the yards per attempts, 671 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: of the touchdown, the interception ratio, and the fact that 672 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: he just he wasn't David Carr, so that was good. 673 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: And he wasn't JaMarcus Russell and that was even better. 674 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: And so I think everyone just wanted to give him 675 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: a lot of credit, but he was the guy. I 676 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: watched more games than anyone. Uh, I'm counting them up here, sick. 677 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: I think I watched eleven games of his because I 678 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: kept wanting to see more. What am I missing with 679 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: Derek Kark? I didn't see anything special. I saw a 680 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: lot more special out of Zach Mettenberger and Blake Borders. 681 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: I saw some tools there with Derek Carr. He's a 682 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: fast guy. Well, I think that's why scouts like him 683 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: because of the tools. But I didn't see it in 684 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: the games. Yeah, I agree, I didn't see it in 685 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: the games. I saw him doesn't go downfield, he he 686 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: could move in the pocket a little bit. When he 687 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: does go downfield, he was all over the place. I mean, 688 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: guys were open and he missed him and it's just 689 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: dink and dunk. They did not look like a professional offense. 690 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: They couldn't. Well is that a little part of it? Though? 691 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,239 Speaker 1: If you're the Raiders that what they had going on 692 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: with your plague call or last year in the games 693 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: are among the lowest in the NFL. So it's okay. 694 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm not one of these guys that wants to shower 695 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: praise on on on Car, although I think I like 696 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: him more than you do. But part of it is 697 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: just I want to see more patients in general with 698 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: some of these quarterbacks before we flame a guy that's 699 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: twenty one years old or something. I think they all 700 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: I think this group and Grapple is kind of a 701 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: weird guy to throw in there, but I think they 702 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: all have a chance to be long term starters. So 703 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: I'm not burying Derek Carr. I just didn't see it yet. 704 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot worse rookie seasons than 705 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: than he's had. J. P. Lassman and Classen and Gather. 706 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: There's some guys that's Alex Smith, Eli Manning right, that's 707 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: start and you think they have no chance. And I 708 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: wouldn't put Derek Carr in that category, but you look 709 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: at what he did versus what Boardles showed. I could 710 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: see the traits from Bordles. I mean, he looks like 711 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: Cam Newton out there. He was more athletic than I 712 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: than I thought. I mean, he there's one place j J. J. 713 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: Watt comes in untouched. He shakes J. J. Watt and 714 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 1: makes him look like a clown, runs for thirty yards 715 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 1: and you know in a two minute drill. We can't 716 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: forget what we saw in the preseason. Mark fell in 717 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: love with Bordles last preseason and you were high on 718 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: it too, and I just I can't get that image 719 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 1: out of my mind. How well he played before. His 720 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: mechanics just devolved during the season where he's throwing like 721 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: a baseball pitcher. So to me, he's the hardest. He is. 722 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: His back foot's coming up and he's winding up on 723 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: his throws. He's losing velocity because of it. I mean, 724 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: he talked and he talked about wasn't it opposed to 725 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: one up yesterday? That he that is what His arm 726 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: just tired out at the end of the year, he was. 727 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: That's one of the challenges of the rookie quarterback. You 728 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: go from playing a certain amount of games to an 729 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: intense season long thing. If you're playing borders, that is 730 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: not easy. They put a lot on his plate more 731 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 1: than any other rookie. I thought he had the most 732 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: working against him. Everyone wants to see Derek Carr. He 733 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: was stuck on the Raiders, That's true. He had the 734 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: best protection of any of these quarterbacks by far. He 735 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,240 Speaker 1: had very good protection. I would say overall, the Raiders 736 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: had an above average past protection. The Jaguars were terrible. 737 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: They were terrible. He had no chance on a lot 738 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: of plays. It's seventeen nothing half the time before he 739 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: does anything wrong. And I think Mettenberger had a very 740 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: similar situation with a bad offensive line and a bad defense. 741 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: Boardles also who had nothing but rookie wide receivers and 742 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: no tight end. I mean the receivers didn't even know 743 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: where they were going, so that he's got that problem. 744 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: I mean almost to a man. This group of quarterbacks 745 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: played on talent poor offenses with which teams had already 746 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: have coaching. What happened draft in early round quarter It's true, 747 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: but Boardles, five or six plays a game, did something 748 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: that ten or twelve starters in the NFL can't do. 749 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: You know, he would make someone miss, he could, he 750 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: could improvise pretty well. He can throw a big deep 751 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: out across the field. He was very aggressive, and the 752 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: thing that impressed me, I thought he improved a lot 753 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: in his decision making, even though the you know, the 754 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: mechanics kind of fell apart, maybe the arm, you know, 755 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: he seemed more like a veteran quarterback by the end. 756 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: That's why he's number two. Derek Carr was terrible in December. 757 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: If all you had watched was December, he was no 758 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: different than Jimmy Clawson. Boardles I thought, got a little 759 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: bit better as the season went along. Bridgewater was sensational 760 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: in December. Until that point, they were all pretty close, 761 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: but he closed the season with a better five game 762 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: stretch than any rookie completion percentage and finished December is 763 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: pro football focus is number one quarterback. You make a 764 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: good point, then that doesn't shock me. He looked like 765 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: an above average starter, and I like the fact he's 766 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: almost He's not a flashy guy, but he's impressive to watch. 767 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: Here's why this exercise makes sense because if you want 768 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: to go get all caught up and oh look ahead 769 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: to next week's rookies. Right at the top of the article, 770 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: Greg points out that in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, eight 771 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 1: of seventeen personnel folks pulled by the newspaper had Johnny 772 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: Manzel at the top of their list, and he's at 773 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: the bottom of yours, and he should be. Yeah, and 774 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 1: only two had Bridgewater. I believe only two had and 775 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: one actually had Mettenburger, which is in the shocking too. 776 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: So Johnny Manzel was the consensus guy. He was Mayax guy. 777 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: I don't think he was DJ's guy. To his credit, 778 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: DJ had Bridgewater number one, but he was all the 779 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: big guys guy. And now, I mean, let's be honest, 780 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: where would Johnny Manzel would be drafted if the draft 781 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: was happening right now if we knew what we knew 782 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, if it was just starting over. Basically, 783 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: what would a team give up for him in a 784 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: in a trade if he's coming out of school right 785 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: now versus now if he's coming out of rehab and 786 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,279 Speaker 1: you know how he looked as a rookie. I mean, 787 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: unless you want to look at the one very abstract 788 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: instance of a team trading for Brett Farve after he 789 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: came out of when he had all sorts of issues 790 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: off the field. But that's a different player. I don't 791 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,919 Speaker 1: think he got any sixth round draft pick. Yeah, yeah, 792 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 1: he could be part of another deal, potentially fifth or 793 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 1: sixth round. I mean, the the game he had against 794 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 1: Cincinnati was the worst game any any of these rookies played. 795 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 1: I thought I was discouraged by that game because it 796 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: just looked like he was too small. Yeah. Yes, he 797 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: does not look the part on any level. I thought 798 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: against the Bills after he had the touchdown March and 799 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: then he got flat on the next r have you 800 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 1: thought this guy is not ready for prime time? There 801 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: were two plays actually was in the Carolina game, which 802 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: to me was his welcome to the NFL moment third 803 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: and long, he's trying to get to the edge and 804 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: star little to Laila beats him there and he doesn't 805 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: get the first down. And then I don't know if 806 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,479 Speaker 1: you remember the play, he got injured and that ended 807 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: his season. Mark was it was a designed run where 808 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: Luke Kickley easily beat him to the edge, hit him, 809 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: and he got hurt and that was it. It was like, 810 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: you're not pulling off any of those cool Johnny football 811 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: improv plays anymore. Yeah. I mean, one of the hardest 812 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: things is to judge how an electric playmaker, you know, 813 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: you last year at this time we all thought that's 814 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 1: what he was gonna be in college. What second to 815 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: be at the NFL level. I look at Mariota, I'm 816 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: just as concerned about the offense he came from and 817 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: what that means if you stick him into a pro 818 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,319 Speaker 1: style offense. We don't know. Yeah, it's so it's so 819 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 1: hard to project. I think the difference, you know, Man's 820 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: out seemed like he didn't know the playbook as well 821 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,399 Speaker 1: as he should. If he didn't put it off, you know, 822 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: we know he didn't, right, So it's not exact like 823 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: a scientist going to work here like, yeah, Mariotta, at 824 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: least we think could quickly on Mettenberger. West, you don't. 825 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: You think he's a total statue. And my comparison for 826 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: him is Carry Collins, maybe a little younger Carry Collins 827 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 1: or early career bled So I disagree. I think there 828 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 1: was some pocket movement. You know, there was potential. He 829 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: he did make those little slides to open up a 830 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 1: few extra seconds, but he didn't throw anything out of 831 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: the pocket. He is in nineteen nineties, you know Mark 832 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: Wilson for the Raiders or whatever, nineteen eighties guy on 833 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: tech mobile that just kind of drops back and just 834 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 1: throws it as hard as he can. I mean, a 835 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 1: lot of coaches if you have that, they want that over. 836 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 1: You can run around all over the place, which you 837 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: can't operate from the pocket. Coaches told Greg Cosell. After 838 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 1: Greg Costell said he would draft Zach Mettenberger over Jamis Winston, 839 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: he said he heard from many NFL guys in the 840 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: coaching community who agreed with him. I thought Mettenberger showed 841 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: a lot. I'm surprised. I'm really surprised that you don't 842 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: like him at all, West, because a lot of the 843 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: things that went against him, I didn't think was his fault, 844 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,280 Speaker 1: and like Bortles, he had a lot of flashy plays 845 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: that were really impressive. Well, I mean, we've we've gone 846 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 1: over this ground before, but it's all not on the podcast. 847 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: We haven't. I've gotten messages from Titans fans tell me 848 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: to quit picking on Za met A guy. I mean, 849 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: I don't like that. He's got one of the highest 850 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: failed drive percentages in the NFL history. He never won 851 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: a game in six starts. They weren't really competitive. He 852 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: didn't move the offense consistently, which bothers me more than 853 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: it bothers some people. I can't stand watching quarterbacks a lot, 854 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 1: three or four quarters without moving the offense. Uh, he's 855 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: he's injury prone. Finished the last two years on the sidelines, 856 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 1: and he's a statue. I believe he's a statue. You 857 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 1: believe he has a movement. I think he's a late 858 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: career Carrie Collins. He can't escape pressure. He's got a 859 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: long wind up that's gonna get him in trouble, I think, 860 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: and I think he's inaccurate. So I don't see he's 861 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: got a big I don't I don't think he's inaccurate 862 00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: at all. He's aggressive, he can he can deliver while 863 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: under pressure, which is a skill in the NFL. I 864 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: don't think he's inaccurate, and I do think there was 865 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: just something to him that I know this is insane, 866 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: but if there was a category for pretty passes that 867 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: were dropped, Mettenberger would be late in the league. There 868 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: were there were a lot of thirty five yard ropes 869 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: down the sidelines over an outstretched hand that that went 870 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: off a Titans you know hand. I can't believe the 871 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: West hasn't used what is maybe the best bit of 872 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: an artillery against Mettenburger's that you've already seen him in 873 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: an offense with Odell Beckham and Jarvis Landry. What more 874 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: is he gonna get? In Tennessee's point, he's a great 875 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: scientific experiment. Can you win in two thousand and fifteen 876 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: being a statue? And can you win with that haircut 877 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: that he's got? All right, let's move to the tight ends. 878 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:47,240 Speaker 1: I like his haircut. Uh, you've got who well Sessler 879 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: on the top of your list. The the little bit 880 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: of a difference here is because we're coming off a 881 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: wide receiver class, which is maybe the best ever most 882 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,359 Speaker 1: exciting in decades, and the tight end class I thought 883 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: in general compared to some of the hype coming out 884 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: of the draft, especially when the Detroit Lions go out 885 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: and draft Eric Ebron tenth. Overall, the finished results were underwhelming. 886 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 1: Certainly statistically anyone that picked these guys up in fantasy 887 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: thinking this is gonna save me, it's a big late 888 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: season pick up. Well, it's not like these guys just 889 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,359 Speaker 1: did not pull it off. But what changed my mind 890 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: a little bit about two of them, which was Eric 891 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: Ebron and Austin Seferian Jenkins, was I think there's hope 892 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: for these two. I really do. Looking at them, I don't. 893 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what that projects too long term, but 894 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 1: I looked at the way they were drafted, which was Ebron, 895 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: Seferian Jenkins, and tomorrow. And I don't change that order 896 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,879 Speaker 1: because part of this exerc So how would you change 897 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,839 Speaker 1: it for me? What I saw? I think Ebron is 898 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,399 Speaker 1: the most interesting player still among this group, and he's 899 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: in a good situation there. It's extremely rare for a 900 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 1: tight end to come in as a rookie and meat expectations, 901 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: much less exceed them. One of the herd like Jimmy Graham, 902 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: you know all kinds of um I can't think of it, 903 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,759 Speaker 1: but there are a lot of gronk. Only as a 904 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: rookie tight end is so hard because you have to learn, 905 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: you have to learn how to block, you have to 906 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,879 Speaker 1: learn how to catch. It's just a lot's going on. Yeah, 907 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 1: and one looking at kind of some stories about each 908 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,800 Speaker 1: of these guys too, and just hearing their own words 909 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: that kind of they all owned up to the fact 910 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 1: that they were lost for a big part of the season. 911 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,320 Speaker 1: And that's probably not untrue of the quarterback situation too. 912 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: But they're the only guy out there that's asked to 913 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 1: be a pass catcher in some cases. And I saw, 914 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: you know, especially with Ebron, like they used him in 915 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: a way which was almost low risk. For part of 916 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 1: the season. He had a lot of it work in 917 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: the flats and they'd asked him to kind of crack 918 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: off a tackle, quickly turn and catch a pass for 919 00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: five yards. They used him in the same pattern over 920 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 1: and over. But then he showed these flashes. I think 921 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 1: when he got out of his head a little bit 922 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: and he let his body take over. You start to 923 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,280 Speaker 1: see what's down the road with him and Safarian Jenkins especially. 924 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: I think I think that in Tampa Safarian Jenkins may 925 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,399 Speaker 1: make a big leap this year too, because no one 926 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: part of his situation. They had issues with the quarterback. 927 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 1: They and they can't keep the quarterback on his feet. 928 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: They had no offensive coordinator last season. You now go 929 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: to Dirk Cotter, who has done a great job with 930 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,200 Speaker 1: tight ends in the past. He's got a full offseason. 931 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a He made double his statistics, 932 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: if not more. Yeah, he was really disappointed to me 933 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: last year because I liked him in that draft. I 934 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: thought he was gonna be a big time huge like 935 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: he brought out a lot of drops, didn't He He 936 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,320 Speaker 1: didn't know, I mean, make a bone headed mistake every 937 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: time I looked. I don't remember, though, I mean that's 938 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: just what you remember from watching the game on TV. 939 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,320 Speaker 1: He did seemed like he wasn't really good at contesting catches. 940 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,319 Speaker 1: Well there was one there a couple of times where 941 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,720 Speaker 1: he's bobbling the catch, and to me, it just seemed 942 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,280 Speaker 1: that he's so up in his head that he couldn't 943 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: just let the gifts that would have been present in 944 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,440 Speaker 1: college even the year before work because he's got the 945 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: size and he's got a great burst. One thing about 946 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: him is like he could he could quickly like get 947 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,000 Speaker 1: past the line, get into space, catch the ball and 948 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: he'd be five years five yards ahead and the flash 949 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 1: and you pick up that yardage and that burst is 950 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,279 Speaker 1: what separates him from a guy like Richard Rogers, who 951 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: had a better statistical rookie. Sometimes it's in a much 952 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: better quarterback. Yeah, sometimes the NFL has to go the 953 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: way of the players that are coming in at This 954 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 1: is an ugly tight end class overall, at least to start. 955 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,240 Speaker 1: We'll see Jayson Morrow could get better. You think Richard 956 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: Rodgers definitely showed potential. Crockett Gilmore was a good, you know, 957 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,360 Speaker 1: mid round pick, but this upcoming tight end class is 958 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: also supposed to be terrible. Think about the quarterbacks of 959 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,799 Speaker 1: the last two years. Teddy Bridgewater is the only one 960 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: that I'm really confident is gonna be at least a 961 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: mid level starter. I think his floor is Alex Smith, 962 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,280 Speaker 1: Randy Dalton, and I think his ceiling is somewhere closer 963 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: to Drew Brees or Philip Rivers. But other than that, 964 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,359 Speaker 1: like we could have a couple of straight years without 965 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: really any big time tight ends or quarterbacks. How does 966 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,280 Speaker 1: that happen? It's it's weird, especially at the tight end position, 967 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 1: because you think we'd start to buy now start to 968 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: see more of these types coming up. But a lot 969 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: of it has to do with what they're asked to 970 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,520 Speaker 1: do with the college level, I guess. I mean some 971 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: guys who made a lot of plays and college didn't 972 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 1: even appear on this list. Rogers was you were thinking 973 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: about early on being a little higher up? For Well, 974 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,319 Speaker 1: he's the first guy watched and I got a little 975 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,359 Speaker 1: excited about him. But then when I that the thing 976 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 1: was when I went and watched the others closer, you 977 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,120 Speaker 1: see the difference in their athleticism. I think that Rogers 978 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,240 Speaker 1: really really he only had one drop at a twenty 979 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,960 Speaker 1: one catchable balls, and to me, yes he had. He 980 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,680 Speaker 1: showed good hands, he had some good contested catches, got 981 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 1: better as the season went on. But that is right, 982 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 1: that's Aaron Rodgers putting the ball right where it needs 983 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,400 Speaker 1: to be. What about Jason Morrow is to play with 984 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: Geno Smith and Michael Vick that had you have to 985 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,759 Speaker 1: factor into that fact that Tomorrow was in a West 986 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: Coast offense coming from Texas Tech. That's not a good 987 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: fit out of the gate. Might be better with Shan Gailey. 988 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,400 Speaker 1: There was one game with Tomorrow where it looked like 989 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: the light was finally flashing. It was the Broncs game 990 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: where he had ten catchup and he made a few plays. 991 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,960 Speaker 1: He did, he made and he's down field too versus 992 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 1: just four yards upfield, and then he went back to 993 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 1: mistakes after that. Yeah, he did. I just think that 994 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,160 Speaker 1: was not a good fit. He He also is someone 995 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,319 Speaker 1: that he hit. The athleticism drop off between the first 996 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,400 Speaker 1: two and Tomorrow was for me, very noticeable. I love it. 997 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,239 Speaker 1: I love getting a little crock At Gilmore into the show. 998 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: Jason Morrow, you had Gilmore five. That's your tight end rankings. 999 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 1: Those are gonna be dropping over the weekend, really Friday 1000 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,239 Speaker 1: into Saturday. You guys can check it out next week. 1001 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,319 Speaker 1: NFL dot Com Slash around the NFL. This is a 1002 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,720 Speaker 1: nice little football nerdy show. I mean, we're diving into 1003 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:28,200 Speaker 1: the deep, you know, sees of Jarvis Landry and Richard 1004 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 1: Rogers and now we're gonna welcome in one of the 1005 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: nerdiest guys at the entire NFL media news group, Daniel Jeremiah. 1006 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,160 Speaker 1: This is a segment Mark, you weren't here for it, 1007 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: just to warn Yeah, I mean, I'm just telling them again. 1008 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 1: You know, people that love the Sessler you can probably 1009 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: turn it off right now. That's a big segment of 1010 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,319 Speaker 1: our female population. They just like listening to Mark and 1011 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,799 Speaker 1: staring up at the ceiling. All right, let's bring in 1012 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,560 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah. Let's talk a little bit about the draft. 1013 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: We taped this segment on D Day with Dan hansis 1014 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,759 Speaker 1: in the mix, so I'll send it over to Dan. Now. 1015 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,400 Speaker 1: All right, here we go our guests in the studio 1016 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,960 Speaker 1: right now. Former scout for the Eagles, Browns and Ravens, 1017 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: former quarterback at Appalachian State. Yeah, that's cool. He's now 1018 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,719 Speaker 1: an anchor of our draft coverage here at NFL Network. 1019 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 1: You can see my Path to the Draft. Check out 1020 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 1: his latest mocks in NFL dot com. He also has 1021 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: a podcast, Moved the Sticks. Podcasts available for download right now. 1022 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah, Welcome to the Round the NFL pod about 1023 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 1: imagining that right was? He just is this what normally 1024 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 1: happens around here? He kind of he kind of murmured 1025 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,279 Speaker 1: that TD always talks about the same team. Right, we're 1026 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,640 Speaker 1: all you know, he does all rolling in the same direction, 1027 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,719 Speaker 1: except this has to be. I was gonna say, this 1028 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,600 Speaker 1: has to be. And I'm very happy to have DJ 1029 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,279 Speaker 1: in the studio. This is exciting. Probably a tough moment 1030 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,040 Speaker 1: for TV. He was looking at all his children behind 1031 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,720 Speaker 1: the glass. He doesn't know. You know, every every parent 1032 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,600 Speaker 1: really has a favorite. They never want to say it, 1033 00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 1: but we know who the favorite. Say it? Yeah, man, Kyle, 1034 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: give me a break. Yeah. It's like the one time 1035 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,160 Speaker 1: you have to choose between Billick and Mary Uchi, which 1036 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, scintillating analysis. Did you have to go with DJ? 1037 00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 1: Did you know that um Brian Billick does the Coaches 1038 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: Show show with the ball and chain and hatched him 1039 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,520 Speaker 1: keep him in the studio. It's true story, all right. Anyway, 1040 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,399 Speaker 1: DJ is here. How exciting. Uh, the draft is upon us. 1041 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 1: It's very close. Now you'll be heading to Chicago win 1042 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:33,719 Speaker 1: Monday Tuesday, t d Oh, next question? Oh wow, so 1043 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,600 Speaker 1: we're going there? Hete hate hate. Hey, I'm beginning to 1044 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,839 Speaker 1: think like, oh, to have a conversation with Greg, Greg, 1045 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,719 Speaker 1: just a little pick behind the curtain. There was some 1046 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, consternation. DJ is tougher to book than the president. 1047 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,480 Speaker 1: At this time of year, you just even get ten minutes. 1048 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: I feel like by the end of this, I'm just 1049 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,200 Speaker 1: saying that didn't help the hands is on the black list. 1050 00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to be there, and I'm just saying 1051 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,840 Speaker 1: that didn't help some of the hands this dj B. 1052 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,840 Speaker 1: But well, let's talk a little bit at least. All right, 1053 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,799 Speaker 1: I'm looking at your mom, I'm looking at your top 1054 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 1: fifty players overall, A ton of a lot of papers up. Yeah, 1055 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 1: I decided to print about why not very environmentally keep 1056 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 1: I keep hearing all the good edge rushers in this class, 1057 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: give me a break. I like, I like looking at 1058 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: the paper. Okay, go for it. All these ad dressers 1059 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,960 Speaker 1: in this class, it's almost hard to keep each one 1060 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: of them straight. Who is your favorite addresser? And kind 1061 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,000 Speaker 1: of what what separates the top guys for you between 1062 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,320 Speaker 1: like Fowler and Shane Ray? You know everyone at the top. 1063 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,759 Speaker 1: You got a bunch of them. There's a whole host 1064 00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,360 Speaker 1: of them. Look in terms of just pure talent. You know, 1065 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,439 Speaker 1: my initial list that I came out with had Randy 1066 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,799 Speaker 1: Gregory at the very top, and I still believe he's 1067 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,920 Speaker 1: the most talented edge rusher in the draft, when you're 1068 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,160 Speaker 1: putting together your own personal big board. I I envisioned, Okay, 1069 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:54,920 Speaker 1: if I'm running a team, this is you know how 1070 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,359 Speaker 1: I would stack my players. And I ended up moving 1071 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 1: Gregory down because they're significant off field risk involved with him. 1072 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,600 Speaker 1: So to me, I look at Dante Fowler. You want 1073 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,239 Speaker 1: somebody that's twitched up, that's athletic, that can bend, can 1074 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,719 Speaker 1: do all the everything you wanted to see. He does it. 1075 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,000 Speaker 1: At Florida. They asked him to drop a lot, so 1076 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,040 Speaker 1: the numbers are aren't as great in the sack productions. Okay, 1077 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,399 Speaker 1: it's not terrible, but great. Kid plays hard, explosive, all 1078 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,239 Speaker 1: that stuff checks the box. So to me, he's the 1079 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,040 Speaker 1: top guy. And and then after that, I look at 1080 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: Shane Ray from Missouri and some people he talked to scouts, 1081 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,000 Speaker 1: some of them are down on him because he's got 1082 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,319 Speaker 1: real skinny lower half. He doesn't have kind of that 1083 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,520 Speaker 1: ideal body um and he's not a real real fluid athlete. 1084 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 1: But what he does, he's got a lot of shock 1085 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,000 Speaker 1: in his hips. He's got a lot of shock in 1086 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,000 Speaker 1: his hands. That's what you want shock in the hip. 1087 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,600 Speaker 1: You want to be able to roll your hips like 1088 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,319 Speaker 1: that could be able to roll your hips and so 1089 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,880 Speaker 1: he can do that. Great. I like this kind of 1090 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,440 Speaker 1: have to say it's shock in the hip. You know what, Actually, 1091 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 1: while you're talking, you're giving out all these scout terms. Yeah, 1092 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:55,160 Speaker 1: I hear twitchy and he's a twitch quick twitch athlete. 1093 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,880 Speaker 1: What does that? What does that even mean? Is one 1094 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,719 Speaker 1: of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. 1095 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,600 Speaker 1: It just it means just. It's another word for explosive. 1096 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,320 Speaker 1: And and you know people talk about Odell Beckham quit's 1097 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 1: not yet. Yes, it's not just you know a forty 1098 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,040 Speaker 1: that's not being quick twitch. I mean quick twitches means 1099 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,880 Speaker 1: boom right away, like you get off the line, your sudden. 1100 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,920 Speaker 1: That's another word that we would use here. So that's 1101 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,279 Speaker 1: kind of definitely. I remember when Adam Archioletta was a 1102 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,240 Speaker 1: quick twitch athlete. That's been many moons. What's the hottest 1103 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,799 Speaker 1: what's the hottest buzz adjective in the game right now? 1104 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:32,680 Speaker 1: Hottest buzz adjective? Let's get to see he's answering the question, Um, yeah, look, 1105 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,520 Speaker 1: come on, we we will work past it or professionals. Yeah, 1106 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,320 Speaker 1: it's it's sushi dat to day. Do you eat sushi, 1107 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:43,879 Speaker 1: not not here. No. I used to have a rule 1108 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,319 Speaker 1: for real that if I can't see water, I'm not 1109 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,960 Speaker 1: eating sushi. But I've been lucky the last few times, 1110 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,360 Speaker 1: so I've kind of broke my own rule. I like 1111 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,000 Speaker 1: our sushi here. Um. But the buzz word in scouting gosh, 1112 00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,399 Speaker 1: um quick twitches up there, quick twitches way up there? 1113 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: Um twitched up. I like that heavy legged waistbender. Yeah, 1114 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,640 Speaker 1: we talked. We always talk about guys having FBI, which 1115 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,799 Speaker 1: is football intelligence. M I like that one. You're writing 1116 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,120 Speaker 1: that one down. Just start using that every day and 1117 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 1: then let me see what else we got here. Is 1118 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:20,440 Speaker 1: verticality verdicality using fast at it? Okay, verticality, that's not 1119 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,239 Speaker 1: that's not using like more of an NBA center thing. Yeah, 1120 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,600 Speaker 1: that's j Bill. If if any come up over the 1121 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:30,200 Speaker 1: course you have another question. The two in a row, 1122 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 1: this is good. I might get another C O D 1123 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,000 Speaker 1: by the way, is a good one. Dead on arrival 1124 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:39,080 Speaker 1: ce CEO delivery, change the direction, that's good. I like that. 1125 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,920 Speaker 1: Athletes are good at changing. I'm looking at you have 1126 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,520 Speaker 1: scout potential. I'm looking at Daniel's latest UM two round 1127 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,520 Speaker 1: mock draft, which you can find it NFL dot com. 1128 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,200 Speaker 1: By the way, the only person in the building that 1129 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,560 Speaker 1: refers to me by my full first Daniel. Yeah, I 1130 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,640 Speaker 1: love it. You're gonna be out in Johnson. You're gonna 1131 00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:01,920 Speaker 1: bake me some cookies to grandma Daniels could talk together. 1132 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,000 Speaker 1: Come on bro alright. Um that song, by the way, 1133 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,280 Speaker 1: that Elton john song is a kid and it looks 1134 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,279 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, my grandmother used to know. She didn't 1135 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,120 Speaker 1: there was the old Slights Heaven for Spain. Yeah, boy, Danny, 1136 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:20,799 Speaker 1: my grandmother play on the but I don't know if 1137 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,279 Speaker 1: you've ever listened to the lyrics. Yeah, Daniel is flying 1138 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,880 Speaker 1: tonight on a plane. Yes, when you get a little older, 1139 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,480 Speaker 1: you start to try to piece together what the song 1140 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,680 Speaker 1: is actually about. I spend many an hour trying to 1141 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,239 Speaker 1: piece that song together. Um, you have Amari Cooper at 1142 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,359 Speaker 1: number nine to the Giants, and uh, that jumps out 1143 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,120 Speaker 1: to me. Literally, you're literally scratching your head. Yeah, a 1144 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,560 Speaker 1: little bit better. He's talking about my modcraft while he's scratching, 1145 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,880 Speaker 1: he said, very subtle, very subtle. So Chris Westling is 1146 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,760 Speaker 1: actually literally in love with Odell Beckham with good reason. 1147 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,160 Speaker 1: Victor Cruz, a stud before the knee injury. Is this 1148 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,400 Speaker 1: DJ's way of saying, perhaps the Giants are already starting 1149 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,120 Speaker 1: to look beyond Victor Cruz or no, I just can't pass. Look, 1150 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, let's see what happ Victor Cruz health. 1151 00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,760 Speaker 1: But he's gonna play in the slot. That's not gonna 1152 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,440 Speaker 1: mess with what you would have on the outside with 1153 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,880 Speaker 1: Cooper and with Odell Becking. What would mean? You know, 1154 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,440 Speaker 1: obviously our guy from l s U, Reuben Ran, Ruben Randall, 1155 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,880 Speaker 1: thank you wouldn't be great for Reuben. Reuben wouldn't love 1156 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,560 Speaker 1: that pick. But you know, look, there's talk to different 1157 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,480 Speaker 1: people around the league, and there is some school of 1158 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,919 Speaker 1: thought where even, look, we had the two physical teams 1159 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,239 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. I get it. So it's been 1160 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,120 Speaker 1: easy for us all to say, Okay, it's about running 1161 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,879 Speaker 1: the football, it's about you know, being physical. But there's 1162 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people, when you talked about the leg 1163 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:29,759 Speaker 1: that feel like the way the rules have changed, the 1164 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,440 Speaker 1: way the game has changed, screw it, don't We're just 1165 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,280 Speaker 1: gonna try and outscore everybody we play. And so there's 1166 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,960 Speaker 1: some thought there. You look at the Giants and man 1167 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,120 Speaker 1: that you you look at that matchup situation you'd have 1168 00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,320 Speaker 1: with those guys on the field the same time. Wow, 1169 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,759 Speaker 1: well it's interesting. You don't have any receivers going in 1170 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 1: the top eighty, have four pass thrushers, a couple of 1171 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,400 Speaker 1: defensive lignemen, and then two quarterbacks. Well, the Raiders I 1172 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 1: think would take a wide out if Leonard Williams wasn't there. 1173 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,920 Speaker 1: But in this situation, with everything I'm hearing and talking to, 1174 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,120 Speaker 1: people are saying, Okay, Mario is gonna go to might 1175 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,040 Speaker 1: not be Tennessee, but somebody's gonna take him with a 1176 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:05,560 Speaker 1: second pink Tennessee. Uh that's why I everything everybody that 1177 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,440 Speaker 1: I've talked to you just said he's going to go second, 1178 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,319 Speaker 1: and people that I really really trust. And so there's 1179 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,919 Speaker 1: there's either Tennessee or some other suitors. I lean tend 1180 00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,759 Speaker 1: to lean towards them making a trade and somebody else 1181 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,080 Speaker 1: coming in there. Um. But so you take the two 1182 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,680 Speaker 1: quarterbacks off the board, then you're at number three. I 1183 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,840 Speaker 1: think Jacksonville Leonard Williams is a great player, But you've 1184 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,040 Speaker 1: resigned Tyson Alo Alo, You've got uh, you signed the 1185 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,280 Speaker 1: guy from Miami, what's his name from Penn State, Jared Odrick. 1186 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,040 Speaker 1: You've got some Derek Mark, so I think it is 1187 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,920 Speaker 1: one of the best interior pass rushers in the NFL. 1188 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,000 Speaker 1: So they Leonard Williams for them is not as big 1189 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,000 Speaker 1: a need. They need an edge rusher. So that's why 1190 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,200 Speaker 1: I think that just drops Leonard Williams right into the 1191 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,160 Speaker 1: lap of the Oakland Raiders, your number one player, which 1192 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,000 Speaker 1: surprised me. What do you how do you answer the 1193 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,160 Speaker 1: people that say Leonard Williams like very toolsy. You know, 1194 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,200 Speaker 1: he looks like the guy that you can project to 1195 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,200 Speaker 1: being a great player, but his tape really isn't that 1196 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,080 Speaker 1: and maybe maybe a two down player, not a pass rusher. 1197 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,840 Speaker 1: That's that's crap. That's because he's here number one player. 1198 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,000 Speaker 1: Tell us what, We'll go back and watch him last year. 1199 00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:01,640 Speaker 1: First of all, when he's fully healthy. He got a 1200 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,360 Speaker 1: high ankle spring like. One of the criticisms he gets 1201 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,600 Speaker 1: is against Stanford, which to me is this is why 1202 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,240 Speaker 1: fly by scouting is so dangerous when you don't have 1203 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,960 Speaker 1: all the information that's a good scouting turn fly by scouting. Yeah, 1204 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:20,680 Speaker 1: that's my favorite. Dan wrote that all these draft nicks, um, 1205 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,960 Speaker 1: he's got hr speed by the way. There you go, Uh, no, 1206 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,000 Speaker 1: but I mean, look, where are we Where are we 1207 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: talking last year? So so this year, a lot of 1208 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,800 Speaker 1: people have talked about, oh, the Stanford game. You know, 1209 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,040 Speaker 1: that's an NFL type offensive line and he didn't do it. 1210 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,800 Speaker 1: The guy had a high ankle spring that week in practice, 1211 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:39,919 Speaker 1: He's not supposed to play in the game. He comes 1212 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 1: out for warm ups for like five minutes. They take 1213 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,320 Speaker 1: him off the field, which I assume he probably goes 1214 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,840 Speaker 1: and gets a shot um. He ends up coming out 1215 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,240 Speaker 1: with a heavily wrapped ankle. He plays guts through at 1216 00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,240 Speaker 1: USC upset Stanford. He played solid. He had a couple 1217 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,240 Speaker 1: of destructive plays, but he's not gonna look to use 1218 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,120 Speaker 1: the word ultra twitched up when you just had a 1219 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,560 Speaker 1: high ankle spring on Tuesday of game week, and so 1220 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,320 Speaker 1: so many be like I watched him against I'm like, 1221 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:02,640 Speaker 1: he wasn't even healthy in that game. Go watch him 1222 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,760 Speaker 1: when he's healthy last year, and watch we did this year. 1223 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,560 Speaker 1: He never comes off the field. I just look, I 1224 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,560 Speaker 1: see a guy with length, with strength, he's got quickness. 1225 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,400 Speaker 1: What they asked him to do in that defense, a 1226 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,480 Speaker 1: three man front, They're asking him to sit there and 1227 00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,560 Speaker 1: anchor down. He'd do that all day long. He'll press 1228 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,960 Speaker 1: off blocks. So who's he like for people I guess 1229 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,720 Speaker 1: who don't know what much about Like I've said it, 1230 00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,120 Speaker 1: I know Max said it before. I've used the Richard 1231 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,440 Speaker 1: Seymour comp and to me, it's because he has that 1232 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,120 Speaker 1: versatility to move him around and body type wise they're similar. 1233 00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,320 Speaker 1: They're kind of got like a there long they're they're 1234 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,120 Speaker 1: smooth muscled guys, they're not just you know, there's different 1235 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,800 Speaker 1: types there. People up and throw him. That's what Seymour 1236 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,360 Speaker 1: could do his first few years. He does. He does 1237 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,320 Speaker 1: not like Danny Shelton. If you want to watch somebody 1238 00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:43,600 Speaker 1: throw people, watch Danny Shelton and Washington watch him against 1239 00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:47,920 Speaker 1: Stanford where he literally forklifts dude thanks background, literally like 1240 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,920 Speaker 1: he drove a fork to the field and took like 1241 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,160 Speaker 1: that lifted him up and dumped him. What's going on 1242 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,640 Speaker 1: now that you're rising? By the way, can I give 1243 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,200 Speaker 1: you my favorite day? My my favorite you talk about 1244 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,880 Speaker 1: scouting terms had an old scout And I've told this 1245 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,840 Speaker 1: on on my podcast, which is the Move the Sticks podcast. 1246 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,560 Speaker 1: I think this is gonna edit out post. Dan's gonna physically, 1247 01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna We're gonna be the master file. Um. 1248 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,280 Speaker 1: So we had an old scout his name was Ron 1249 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Marsenack with the Baltimore Ravens, and when he was talking 1250 01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,160 Speaker 1: about a player one day, I literally lost it in 1251 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:21,880 Speaker 1: the draft for him because he's reading his report. So 1252 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,840 Speaker 1: he literally wrote this in the computer and he said, Uh, 1253 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,080 Speaker 1: this player, uh you know, it's never not not any production. 1254 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,440 Speaker 1: He leads the league in high fives and butt slaps 1255 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,600 Speaker 1: because that's he gets there just in time to high 1256 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,200 Speaker 1: five a teammate or pat him on the butt for 1257 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,960 Speaker 1: making the play. He read. Wrote in his report, it's like, okay, 1258 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,560 Speaker 1: my favorite scouting term ever was about a baseball slash 1259 01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:45,720 Speaker 1: football player, Adam Dunn. Yeah. Uh, the Red's baseball scout. 1260 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,360 Speaker 1: He signed him. I think his name was Julian Mott 1261 01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,600 Speaker 1: wrote and wrote on the scouner report, so big he 1262 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:58,240 Speaker 1: hunts bear with a switch playing a little football topical. Um, 1263 01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:59,960 Speaker 1: you're a couple of months later on that one west 1264 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,680 Speaker 1: you are. You are, your profiles rising by the year 1265 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,440 Speaker 1: as like a draft nick. Let's face it, you're becoming 1266 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,000 Speaker 1: a known quantity in the industry. A big fan of 1267 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,840 Speaker 1: that word now because you like draft expert draft analysts 1268 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,880 Speaker 1: and draft Nick implies like a basement, and you know 1269 01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,280 Speaker 1: you don't shade plus plus you give us the NFL. 1270 01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,080 Speaker 1: And now says, I don't like the draft people that 1271 01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,720 Speaker 1: all draft all the time. I want a little NFL. 1272 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,800 Speaker 1: Now that's true. Now here's here's an interesting point on that, 1273 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,520 Speaker 1: because that is true, and I always we always cross checked. 1274 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,680 Speaker 1: Not every team does this. Some teams you're a college scout, 1275 01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,480 Speaker 1: so you just watch college players. That's it. You don't 1276 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,560 Speaker 1: have to do with any of the NFL stuff. Um, 1277 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,560 Speaker 1: but Ozzy did it, and uh and and Phil Savage 1278 01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,560 Speaker 1: as well, coming from that school. Was in the training camp, 1279 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:44,440 Speaker 1: we would go out and watch different proteins, would have 1280 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,800 Speaker 1: players were responsible for. We'd be ready for cutdown day, 1281 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,360 Speaker 1: which was nice because many hands make light work in 1282 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,760 Speaker 1: order to look at all the different players. But it 1283 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,880 Speaker 1: was always helpful for me to go back and see 1284 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,560 Speaker 1: guys in the NFL that you had scouted, to really see, Okay, 1285 01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,680 Speaker 1: who's doing well, guys I hit on, guys I missed 1286 01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,520 Speaker 1: on kind of self of value. Wait and then you 1287 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,240 Speaker 1: realize what's playing and you look at who's starting. Like 1288 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,360 Speaker 1: to me, offensive linement for young scouts is hard because 1289 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,240 Speaker 1: you have it in your mind you've got to be 1290 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,400 Speaker 1: this long athletic and you know these Jonathan Ogden we 1291 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,080 Speaker 1: had in both, like, those guys are so rare. Just 1292 01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,520 Speaker 1: give me a guy. If you look at the who's 1293 01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,880 Speaker 1: playing in the NFL the offensive line, you're smart, you're tough, 1294 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,680 Speaker 1: and you can anchor. If you can do those three things, 1295 01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,400 Speaker 1: you can play. So we thought, oh, he's not a 1296 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,120 Speaker 1: bad athlete, or he's on the ground here, They're like, 1297 01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,120 Speaker 1: look around the NFL. Look what's playing it right tackle? 1298 01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:26,640 Speaker 1: In this league? Those guys are gonna play. Do you 1299 01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,840 Speaker 1: think there's too many guys in your business that you know, 1300 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,920 Speaker 1: once these guys get drafted, they don't check back in 1301 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,600 Speaker 1: on him, and that could lead to I don't know, 1302 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,560 Speaker 1: I can't. I think I think it's very helpful to 1303 01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,400 Speaker 1: do it. It puts me behind, you know, with the 1304 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,320 Speaker 1: draft process, because you do the NFL stuff during the 1305 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:41,760 Speaker 1: fall and then all of a sudden boom, we gotta 1306 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,840 Speaker 1: change years and really get rolling on the draft. I've 1307 01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,600 Speaker 1: got a question that will test your micro draft knowledge 1308 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:53,680 Speaker 1: and your macro NFL knowledge is now. I know you 1309 01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,360 Speaker 1: you probably love the word buzz there's now buzz that 1310 01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,600 Speaker 1: he could go in the top ten on a macro level. 1311 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,400 Speaker 1: Is this devaluation of running backs overrated. If you're a 1312 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,880 Speaker 1: three down power back, you're still gonna get money and 1313 01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,840 Speaker 1: you're still gonna be valued highly. I think so that 1314 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,280 Speaker 1: grow micro devaluation money. I feel like this econ class, 1315 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:13,880 Speaker 1: what's going on? You don't act like you're not just 1316 01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:19,080 Speaker 1: watching the replay of a EPL game, but it's you're 1317 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,200 Speaker 1: doing good. No, look to me, these are two of 1318 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,960 Speaker 1: the best backs we've seen come out in quite some time. 1319 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:25,080 Speaker 1: When you look at Gordon and Gurley, I was surprised 1320 01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,160 Speaker 1: you had them so close together. Yeah, I think I 1321 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,720 Speaker 1: think Gordon's a really, really good player. And you know, 1322 01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,720 Speaker 1: while I was waiting to get medical back on Gurly, 1323 01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here saying I know Gordon's healthy. So for 1324 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:36,960 Speaker 1: the first part of it, I had him one spot 1325 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,040 Speaker 1: over Girly, and then now the medicals come back pretty 1326 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,040 Speaker 1: clean on Girly. So like, Okay, I think I'd rather 1327 01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,880 Speaker 1: roll with Todd. But both those guys are big time guys, 1328 01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,400 Speaker 1: and I think we get carried away with a positional 1329 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,200 Speaker 1: thing and it's just kind of comes in waves and 1330 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,320 Speaker 1: we just haven't had those those backs roll through. And 1331 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:51,720 Speaker 1: I think this year that will put a stop to that. 1332 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,320 Speaker 1: I think we'll see both those guys go around one. 1333 01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:55,960 Speaker 1: How about LT saying in our air waves that Todd 1334 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,680 Speaker 1: Gurley is the best running back prospects since Adrian Peterson. 1335 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,680 Speaker 1: A lot of people believe that. I think you pull 1336 01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,800 Speaker 1: people around the NFL. They get scared when I hear that, 1337 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:08,000 Speaker 1: because exactly what everyone said about Trent Richard zactly No. 1338 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,439 Speaker 1: And look, Trent, I didn't have to do Trent when 1339 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,240 Speaker 1: he came out. I don't remember. I guess I was 1340 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,200 Speaker 1: in Philly. I think it was a Philly that you're 1341 01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:16,960 Speaker 1: but he wouldn't. I didn't have to be a convenient 1342 01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,640 Speaker 1: for you. Now, No, well I did, JaMarcus Russell if 1343 01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,240 Speaker 1: you want to go down discussion. Um, but uh no, 1344 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean the way everybody talked about him, 1345 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,160 Speaker 1: But there's something there. I mean, I don't think this 1346 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,360 Speaker 1: is just a football issue with Trent Richardson because he 1347 01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:35,120 Speaker 1: just looks so so lethargic the way he plays sluggle. 1348 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,600 Speaker 1: I'll leave that one alone. Um, all right, we should 1349 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,440 Speaker 1: let DJ go get his sushi. Momentarily, Greg, do you 1350 01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,800 Speaker 1: have anything else you want? So many papers in front 1351 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,640 Speaker 1: of you, I had imagined there's got to be another 1352 01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,760 Speaker 1: question in there. Greg once like a private two hour 1353 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,880 Speaker 1: conversation with j Well, how about you got you have 1354 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,280 Speaker 1: ten receivers in your think, which is outrageous. I think 1355 01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:53,840 Speaker 1: I had ten in my top fifty last year, and 1356 01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,240 Speaker 1: you know what, everybody said, that's crazy. There's no way 1357 01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,440 Speaker 1: there's ten receivers. And then I'm like, let's go back 1358 01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,000 Speaker 1: and look at those ten receivers. Which one is when 1359 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,280 Speaker 1: didn't play well last year? Oh? Zero? So you're saying 1360 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,080 Speaker 1: there this class, basically, this is what college football has 1361 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,840 Speaker 1: given us. And there's no cornerbacks. There's very few cornerbacks 1362 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,800 Speaker 1: in your top thirty. It's not a great not a 1363 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,400 Speaker 1: great group. You like Byron Jones not just a freaking athlete, 1364 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,400 Speaker 1: he's a player. No, I think he's gonna go. I 1365 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:16,680 Speaker 1: think he's a really good chance to go in the 1366 01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,439 Speaker 1: first round if you had to take one of the 1367 01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,920 Speaker 1: kind of second level wide receivers and running backs, maybe 1368 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,760 Speaker 1: guys that won't go in the top twenty who are 1369 01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,880 Speaker 1: this is like, this is one of my favorite players 1370 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,480 Speaker 1: in the draft is David Copp from Minnesota, and I 1371 01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,120 Speaker 1: think he could go in the fourth round, maybe gets 1372 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,240 Speaker 1: into the third round. But just he's we talked about shorty, 1373 01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,840 Speaker 1: quickness of bet make people missing, tight quarters, vision, all 1374 01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:38,520 Speaker 1: that stuff really really good. He's not gonna he's not 1375 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:42,080 Speaker 1: a fourth three guys. No, he's he's he's quick. I 1376 01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:47,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't say he's a classic FBI c O d says 1377 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:52,160 Speaker 1: the says the butt slapper and the high fiber over here. Um. No, look, 1378 01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:54,880 Speaker 1: I love David Copp from a receiver standpoint. Tyler Lockett 1379 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,360 Speaker 1: from Kansas State, who's like a poor man's t Y Hilton, 1380 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,160 Speaker 1: but which is not just a compliment. He's he's a 1381 01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,200 Speaker 1: really really good player. Those guys keep slipping in the 1382 01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,600 Speaker 1: draft who I helped in John Brown, those pretty well. 1383 01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,040 Speaker 1: He can he can help you in the return game. 1384 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:09,640 Speaker 1: So I think he's gonna be a good value. And 1385 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,480 Speaker 1: just to finish my question that I started, So you're 1386 01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:17,480 Speaker 1: you're rising up amongst draft analysts. Wait, he's waving his arm, 1387 01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,400 Speaker 1: he's saying he's done. Come on, go ahead, go ahead, 1388 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,200 Speaker 1: go ahead. Do you have to have like a burner 1389 01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,720 Speaker 1: phone at this point? Aren't there front office guys coming 1390 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,160 Speaker 1: at you all? The time people showing up in trench 1391 01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,439 Speaker 1: coats whispering thing to handing a hundred dollar bills. What's 1392 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:39,800 Speaker 1: going on next question? Guys, you can read into that. Alright, 1393 01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,600 Speaker 1: that's it. You know. I love you. I love you too, baby. 1394 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,080 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah the Move the Sticks podcast, which really is 1395 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,560 Speaker 1: it's you know, something on the rise. It's something you 1396 01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,320 Speaker 1: should check out if you haven't already. It's the show. 1397 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,880 Speaker 1: You can listen to it. Thanks you if you choose 1398 01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,120 Speaker 1: America allows you to listen to it and also other 1399 01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,240 Speaker 1: nations around the world. Uh DJ's podcast move This thinks 1400 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:03,800 Speaker 1: you can download it two to roll from me please. 1401 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,720 Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, check that out and thank you d J. 1402 01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,600 Speaker 1: All right, that was jovial time with Daniel Jeremiah. Learned 1403 01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,680 Speaker 1: a little bit about the draft. Hopefully you learned a 1404 01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,280 Speaker 1: little bit about the two thousand and fourteen draft. Den 1405 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,360 Speaker 1: Is gonna be really mad because once again the show 1406 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,200 Speaker 1: went really long when hands Is the sheriff was not around. 1407 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,360 Speaker 1: Happy birthday, Daniel. He's a great friend to all. Just 1408 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,600 Speaker 1: imagine if he answered the phone. Thank you, Dan for 1409 01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,360 Speaker 1: all that you do and thanks to Mark Sessler, Chris 1410 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:33,080 Speaker 1: Wesselen and TV I'm Greg Rosenthal. We're gonna be back 1411 01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:37,280 Speaker 1: next week with three big draft shows, including a draft preview. 1412 01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,959 Speaker 1: Go get my lunch on Monday. Look at my lunch 1413 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,560 Speaker 1: clown car looking forward to that. We'll take that before 1414 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,400 Speaker 1: West heads over to Chicago, so that will drop on Monday. 1415 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:48,800 Speaker 1: Until then, we'll see you next time.