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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fitness Disrupted, a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I am Tom Holland, and this is Fitness Disrupted. I

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Speaker 1: say it frequently because I wholeheartedly believe it to my core.

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Speaker 1: I have the greatest job in the world. I get

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Speaker 1: to help people look better, feel better, and live longer.

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Speaker 1: And one of the ways in which I do that

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Speaker 1: is I get to talk to people like my next guest,

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Speaker 1: Dean car Nazis. Almost almost wanted to drop an F

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Speaker 1: bomb there, Dean car Nazis. He's amazing. Some of you

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Speaker 1: know exactly who he is, some of you do not.

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Speaker 1: I will give you his bio shortly. It is insane.

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Speaker 1: It is amazing, and he started, you know, as a

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Speaker 1: real person like all of us. He's just an ordinary

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Speaker 1: person who has done extraordinary things. And that's gonna sound

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Speaker 1: insane when I read you his list of accomplishments. But

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Speaker 1: he is one of the nicest, most humble and and

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Speaker 1: amazing people when it comes to athletic achievements that I

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Speaker 1: did interview him many years ago. I had a radio show,

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Speaker 1: our long Live show, and back when he was I

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Speaker 1: think his first book. He's got four of his own

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Speaker 1: and two chicken Soup of the Soul. He's UH contributed

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Speaker 1: to those as well. But I spoke with him and

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Speaker 1: I have followed him over the years. As I've talked

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Speaker 1: about before, I study and get inspired by the people

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Speaker 1: who have accomplished amazing things, and I tend to follow

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Speaker 1: uh mistakes, failures if you want to call them that,

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Speaker 1: which we don't call failures though. It's all learning experience.

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Speaker 1: But Dean car Nazis, let me just I'm gonna give

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Speaker 1: all right, So here we go. Dean car Nassis. Time

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Speaker 1: magazine named him one of the top one hundred most

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Speaker 1: influential people in the world. Men's Fitness hailed him as

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Speaker 1: one of the fittest men on the planet, and Stanley

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Speaker 1: of Marvel Comics he called him a real superhuman I

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Speaker 1: would say superhero right. And acclaimed endurance athlete and New

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Speaker 1: York Times bestselling author, Dean Carnassis has pushed his body

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Speaker 1: in his mind too inconceivable limits. Among his many accomplishments,

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Speaker 1: he has run fifty marathons in fifty states in fifty days. Okay.

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Speaker 1: That's how some of you may have heard of him.

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Speaker 1: You may not have connected the name to the accomplishment.

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Speaker 1: Dean ran fifty marathons in fifty different states in fifty days.

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Speaker 1: Just the logistics of that alone are nightmarish. But he

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Speaker 1: did it, and he did it ridiculously well. Okay. He's

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Speaker 1: also run three hundred and fifty continuous miles for going

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Speaker 1: sleep for three nights. He's run across the Sahara Desert

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Speaker 1: I love. There's a two hundred mile relay race that

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Speaker 1: teams of twelve do, so they trade off. One guy runs,

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Speaker 1: woman runs. Whatever your team is twelve people. Dean, he

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Speaker 1: does it by himself. And he's done it by himself

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Speaker 1: ten separate times. Okay. His long list of competitive achievements

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Speaker 1: include winning the world's toughest foot race, the bad Water

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Speaker 1: Ultra Marathon. That is where people, you run one hundred

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Speaker 1: He has raced and competed on all seven continents of

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Speaker 1: the planet twice over Okay. Dean is also an ESPN

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Speaker 1: Now Dean has been You've seen him most likely on

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Speaker 1: all of them. He's in all the magazines, the newspapers.

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Speaker 1: They have chronicled his incredible achievements. Um, but this I love.

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Speaker 1: It's his unique ability to enthuse athletes of all abilities

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Speaker 1: it's just amazing. Goes on and on and on um

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Speaker 1: a nice guy. I think that's where I'm going. He's

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Speaker 1: if you need to be inspired, if you're at a

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Speaker 1: I need to be inspired. This is the show for you,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give you his books and and how

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Speaker 1: And that's another way you gotta pick up and start with.

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Speaker 1: This first book actually just amazing. So wait to you

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Speaker 1: hear his story. So for those of you who know

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Speaker 1: blown away. We will be right back with Dean Carnassis,

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Speaker 1: and we are back. I say it almost every show,

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Speaker 1: but I truly have the greatest job in the world,

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Speaker 1: to people like Dean Carnassis. So Dean, thank you so

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Speaker 1: me today. It's good to be reconnecting. It's been a while,

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Speaker 1: and I got I got some funny stories for you.

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Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't going to give him away when

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Speaker 1: we spoke earlier. But yeah, it's been a while and

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Speaker 1: and thank you so much. So what are we up

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Speaker 1: to now? I got four books that you've written, and

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Speaker 1: Hopefully it's here. I can't I'm wonder non just cloth

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Speaker 1: it's someone you would recognize. Yeah, that is congratulations, That

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Speaker 1: I own all your books. You know, it's interesting. I

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Speaker 1: I was just surprised they don't buy the books, they

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Speaker 1: to own them. You know. My office is filled and

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Speaker 1: if you're in this industry, right, that's so exciting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So Ultra marathon Man, that that book you'll you know,

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Speaker 1: can't say streaming streaming in your in your kitchen near you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that, you know, because your sport

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Speaker 1: and I've done a little bit, not even close to

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Speaker 1: what you've done. But it's all about obstacles, it's all

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Speaker 1: You start to read it, you can't put it down.

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Speaker 1: great way, and it's so inspiring. And that's what Fitness

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Speaker 1: right Dean, and I just want to start there because

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Speaker 1: I know your story. Many of my listeners know your story,

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Speaker 1: but some don't. So what was that turning point when

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Speaker 1: and what's most prominently displayed is their Iron Man medal, Right,

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Speaker 1: Like that makes them most proud, is you know, doing

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Speaker 1: this incredibly difficult endurance event, right, because you know, having

425
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Speaker 1: trained many of those guys, you know they all have

426
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Speaker 1: the cars, they all get the houses, they all achieved

427
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,600
Speaker 1: that level of of monetary success for the most part,

428
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Speaker 1: Then it becomes what have you done? And I used

429
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Speaker 1: to That's how I you know, finished my career as

430
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Speaker 1: a coach and trainer was helping those people who thought

431
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Speaker 1: they could and and you know did achieve the those

432
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 1: you know experiences. Because that's I'm sure what you're about.

433
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: That's what I'm about. We both travel the world. I

434
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 1: am so fortunate, feels so fortunate to have had those experiences.

435
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm doing with my kids. And you

436
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: take your whole family right there there, your crew, and

437
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 1: what's better than that, right, It's about experiences, not material things.

438
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,679
Speaker 1: At the end of the day. I can't agree more.

439
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 1: I mean, my kids have been to you know, South America, Australia,

440
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 1: Canada many times, Europe many times. We've had some wonderful

441
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Speaker 1: experiences and hopefully you know, as we're talking right now,

442
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, when is the next time, you know, we

443
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 1: can get over and I love so much. Yeah, that's

444
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Speaker 1: that's one thing that is really um. You know, the

445
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: door has been shut solid with me and I'm sure

446
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: you as well as you You're not flying around the

447
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 1: globe anymore these days. No, And I don't want to

448
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 1: forget what you just said. I interviewed Bass Routing. I

449
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 1: don't I'm sure if you know who, he is, a

450
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: former m M, A guy amazing right, and gosh, he's

451
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 1: such a great guy. And we were talking about he

452
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Speaker 1: was saying how he had some of his fighters and

453
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Speaker 1: he said, you know, if I took you in a

454
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Speaker 1: room and you fought someone and you lost, wouldn't matter

455
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Speaker 1: if no one knew. And so what he was getting

456
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Speaker 1: to was that back what you were talking about earlier,

457
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Speaker 1: that it should only matter to you. And I remember

458
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Speaker 1: when I first started racing and and started doing pretty

459
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Speaker 1: well and then the internet hitting. So my first iron

460
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Speaker 1: Man actually a similar that's similar, but it was at

461
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 1: age thirty on my birthday, said there's an iron Man

462
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Speaker 1: in New Zealand. I didn't own a bike, I couldn't

463
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Speaker 1: swim a app but I said I'm gonna do that

464
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 1: and it was amazing, changed my life. But there was

465
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Speaker 1: really no internet, so I didn't have to worry about

466
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Speaker 1: people checking my times. Right, So when you first started,

467
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 1: you must have had pressure as you were these books

468
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 1: were coming out and you were doing better. Was there

469
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Speaker 1: a shift from where he said, you know what, I

470
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Speaker 1: got to kind of do well to where you said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I really don't care. There absolutely was, and

472
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Speaker 1: it was a point where, um, you know, people said, oh,

473
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Speaker 1: he's not that good, and that when races, well, you know,

474
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Speaker 1: got lucky. And then there's a race called the bad

475
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Speaker 1: Water Ultra Marathon, which is called the world's toughest foot

476
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Speaker 1: race and I won the world you know, I won

477
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Speaker 1: the bad Water and I'm like, okay, what else do

478
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: I have to prove? I just want the world stubs

479
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: for race, you know. And then people say, oh, he's

480
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 1: done nothing, he's never won a race, and like, pull

481
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: it two weeks ago, one bad Water and you're on

482
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Speaker 1: the internet. I have never won a race. Like, you

483
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: don't even know who I am. You're criticizing me and

484
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: you don't you know nothing about me. And at that point,

485
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, you can spend a lot

486
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: of time reading negative comments about yourself and it's gonna

487
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 1: get you nowhere. So again, it just got back to

488
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: the you know, to the to the the analogies. Can

489
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Speaker 1: you look yourself in the mirror and take you know,

490
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm happy and I'm proud of who I am. And

491
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Speaker 1: was that freeing for you? I remember, you know, I

492
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Speaker 1: always put it as you know, you're doing the Iron

493
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Speaker 1: Man for me and I'm on the you know, I'm

494
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Speaker 1: not hitting my times and I'm on the marathon and

495
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm literally writing that email. I'm writing I was never

496
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Speaker 1: a fan of the race reports personally, but you know,

497
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: the email to friends, you know what went wrong right

498
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Speaker 1: and during the race, and then you know, you get

499
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Speaker 1: to that cathartic moment whereas you said, I don't care

500
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Speaker 1: this is about it's ruining my experience. You I'm halfway

501
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: around the world, I'm doing this incredible event. Who cares

502
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: what my time is? Um was that cathartic for you

503
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: after you won that race and you said, you know what,

504
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: now it's truly I'm just going to enjoy it in

505
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: a way that I happened before. It was absolutely and

506
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Speaker 1: you're absolutely, You're so right. I mean, you know, I

507
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: remember writing about the disappointing hundred mile race. You know,

508
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Speaker 1: I was I was hoping to crack twenty hours and

509
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: I was like twenty one hours, and I'm thinking, how,

510
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Speaker 1: you know, I apologize to people and how I just

511
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: walked up and I wasn't good at and like, oh,

512
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Speaker 1: you just ran a hundred mile. Anyone from the sane

513
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Speaker 1: you know perspective reading that would be, how can how

514
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Speaker 1: can you be upset that you just ran a hundred

515
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Speaker 1: miles at twenty one hours? Like you ran through the

516
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Speaker 1: mountains a hundred miles without stopping, and you're you're writing

517
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Speaker 1: a you know, an obituary to your friends, like why

518
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: you just died out there? And the five percent in

519
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Speaker 1: who understand what twenty one versus twenty hours means. They're

520
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: the ones who were anyway, They're the ones that we're

521
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: gonna put you down regardless, right, so you can't win.

522
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I love it. So question for you

523
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Speaker 1: you're obviously we're both I did not just you. You know,

524
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Speaker 1: we're getting older. What do you do to stay healthy?

525
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: What's the cross training routine? I'm sure people want to know. Well,

526
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: it's it's NonStop. It's you know, training is life and

527
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: life is training. I mean from the moment I get up,

528
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm constantly doing something that's involving physical activity. I mean

529
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Speaker 1: even right now I'm standing up. I hope you're standing

530
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: up to standing desk exactly, walking back in that. Yeah,

531
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: we're working back and forth. And before we got on,

532
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: I've got this hit training routine that's about twelve minutes.

533
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: It's just body weight. So it's push ups, pull ups,

534
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Speaker 1: sit ups, chair dips, and burpies. So I cycled through

535
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Speaker 1: those throughout the course of the day. I'll probably do

536
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: four or five sets of those every day and it's

537
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Speaker 1: just it's quick and it just you know, get your

538
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Speaker 1: metabolism wrapped up. And then I'm obviously I'm still running

539
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: as much as ever, more than ever now actually because

540
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Speaker 1: I can't travel, so you know, I'm everything I'm doing

541
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: is about fitness, and I'm also doing a lot of

542
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Speaker 1: cross training. Um with the Ellipticgo. There's a there's a

543
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Speaker 1: stand up bike that I just love and it's it's

544
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: basically like an elliptical machine in the gym, but it

545
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: sound wheels so I could be outside. Yeah, I love

546
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: it too, I have I have to. It's super it's

547
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: super geeky. You know, it looks like a big brain man.

548
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: That's my kids always say. But I love the thing.

549
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a great workout. And you know,

550
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: you don't get saddle I used to cycle, and you

551
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: know you don't get saddle sores. You're not hunched over

552
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: in that Viking position. There's a lot to be said

553
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 1: about the Elliptic and I just love the thing. And

554
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: they came out with a mountain bike version the trail.

555
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: Yeah that's cool. Yeah with shocks and yeah, yeah, funny

556
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: story with that. So years ago, became friends with a

557
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: couple of the owners and they said, hey, you want

558
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Speaker 1: to try out this new thing. I said, of course,

559
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: and so they gave it to me and I never

560
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Speaker 1: I didn't get on it. And then they said, hey, Tom,

561
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Speaker 1: we're gonna do the Manhattan to Montalk right a hundred

562
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: fifty miles, and they said, you want to do with us,

563
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Speaker 1: and I said sure. And it was like two weeks away.

564
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: I said, I better get on this thing because I

565
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: gotta do a d and I had done it on

566
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Speaker 1: a bike, you know, it was farther than an iron

567
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Speaker 1: but I've done it once or twice on a bike

568
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: before and it was challenging. But it's flat. It's it's

569
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Speaker 1: not it's just a long day. But I thought this

570
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: is different, Like, I have no idea what I'm getting

571
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Speaker 1: into this thing. So I took it out for like

572
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: an hour, uh to your point, so one hour one time.

573
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Speaker 1: Then I got on it Manhattan and Montalk. I think

574
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Speaker 1: it took like ten eleven hours. I got up the

575
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Speaker 1: next day. I felt I didn't feel like I had

576
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Speaker 1: done anything, and that's insane. Even with the bike and

577
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: it was flat. It truly is such a low impact

578
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: to no impact form of exercise. And it was invented

579
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: for that reason, right by guys who couldn't run the

580
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Speaker 1: way they wanted to and what were they gonna do, right,

581
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: and this was the solution. Yeah. Well and but but

582
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: this is damn good. Well it's a good workout as well.

583
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean, um yeah, that's what I love about it's

584
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,239
Speaker 1: it's an efficient workout and you know, you get your

585
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Speaker 1: heart rate up. It's not as easy as cycling because

586
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: you're not as aerodynamics. You're standing up right right, so

587
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, in fear of my there's like fear junk

588
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: miles and you're always kind of working on the lift

589
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: to go. But to your point, when you wake up

590
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: the next morning, you know your your joints don't hurt.

591
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it's a show. Yeah, don't don't misunderstand

592
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: those of you listening that it's it's not a great

593
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: workout because you're standing the whole time. So I keep

594
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: finding myself trying to sit down and you're like, well

595
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 1: you don't have that option. So like the core workout

596
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: and then going up hills if you are on a

597
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: hilly course, that is you know, challenging especially I have

598
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: the original one Dean as along with you know, a

599
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: later model but not the most recent. So I always

600
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: pull out, always say to people like, you know, get

601
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: a bike that's that's metal and weighs fifty pounds, so

602
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: you gotta workout, right, exactly. I use the other one

603
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: in the race. Yeah, I have one of those models

604
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: as well. And you're right. I mean they've evolved a lot.

605
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: That thing is it's a it's a it's a beast, yeah,

606
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: and it is definitely a workout. Just to get that

607
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: thing out of the garage is to workout exactly, And

608
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: I love it. You just you just have to love attention,

609
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: right because cars slowed down, you go to Starbucks, you

610
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: get tend people around you. Uh. It's super fun. Though

611
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: it's so polarizing, Like I mean, half the people like

612
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: what the hell is that? The other half like that

613
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: is the coolest thing I've ever seen. Right, And if

614
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: everyone's got an opinion about it, like no one just

615
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: in heads turn like crazy and at first, yeah, because

616
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: they kind of look at you like, oh, it's a no,

617
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: something's different about that guy standing up. One thing I

618
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: have to ask you too, and it's it's one of

619
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: these tough questions, but you know, you have run three

620
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: and fifty miles. You've done all these things. So when

621
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: you read books like you know Timothy Noakes, Lore of Running,

622
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: his Central Governor theory, and then you've got I love

623
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: Alex Hutchinson and the book endure Um. You know, and

624
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: the question is, and who better to answer it than you?

625
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: What do you truly believe? Is it? Is it the body?

626
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: Is that the brain? Is that a combination of two

627
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: that slows us down? What has been your experience? I'm

628
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: bind all of the above. I mean, I really believe

629
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: the central governor theory um. But that said, I've had

630
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: my body in places where I don't care how strong

631
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: my mind was. I'm not I'm not moving right, you know.

632
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: I've passed out running like I just could not get

633
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: any more output, no matter how much you know Jedi

634
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: mind games. I played right, So I think it? And

635
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: when does it all to come together magically? I'll tell

636
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: you what. I cannot figure out the formula. You know.

637
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: I've I've rested and recovered for long periods before racing,

638
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: had good races and had bad races. You know, I've

639
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: raced back to back and had good races and had

640
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: bad races. I don't know what it is that ultimate

641
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: that comes together to create a really great race. But

642
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think they they're you know, they're absolutely

643
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: nailing the factors that are played. How to get the

644
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: you know, the stars aligned is a different question. Yeah,

645
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: And that's that's there's the art, right Dean, there's the

646
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: If it were that simple, everyone would follow that formula.

647
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: And and that's why it's always driven me nuts. And

648
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: that's exactly what the show is about, right is we

649
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: can look at the science, we can look at the data,

650
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: we can look at the anecdotal, but at the end

651
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: of the day, we're all in equals one. And the

652
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: story I tell quickly is I did an iron Man

653
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: in Where was it, Uh, it doesn't matter, Kentucky. I think.

654
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: Two weeks later there was a local marathon, small and

655
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, let me ride this. Fitness

656
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: people said you're crazy, and I said, you know, I

657
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: was younger or whatever, and I ran the fastest marathon ever,

658
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: actually one. It was a tiny marathon, ran a twofour

659
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: for me, you know, I'm bigger, and it was ridiculous.

660
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: But I got up that morning I didn't want to

661
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: run at all. I didn't feel great. The gun went

662
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: off and things happened. And that's what we have to

663
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: kind of get across to people, is, no matter how

664
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: you feel, you know, my best races, and I'm sure

665
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,959
Speaker 1: many of yours were as well, were the ones I

666
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: felt the worst at the start, that gun goes off

667
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: and something happens. Yeah, And I mean I've had races

668
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: to where you know, I'll never forget the Angels Crest hundred, um,

669
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, twenty five miles into it, I cramed. I

670
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: mean I was I could not move. My legs were

671
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: just locked in cramps, and I thought, you're done. Is

672
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: this is an instant DNF. I didn't do anything. I

673
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: didn't have salt, I didn't do anything. I just stood

674
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: up and kind of started walking and I finished third

675
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 1: place overall. I mean I was like, what what has

676
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: happened there? I have no idea? So I talked about

677
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: that mindset though, Deine. So when you got up, what

678
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: was the what was the mindset? It was just get

679
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: to the tree. There's there's a tree ten feet up

680
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: the way. Just walked to the tree. I was like Frankenstein.

681
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: Both my legs were a lot rigid, and I got

682
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: to the tree. I'm like, I get to the rock,

683
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: all right, get to the bend in the in the trail,

684
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: and and you know et crow. I mean I sat

685
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: there and had people passing me. I was I was

686
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: obviously it was probably twenty five minute miles. I was

687
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: doing walking, and it just loosened up and I started

688
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: running slowly and and then I started feeling good. I

689
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 1: have no idea and so what happened? Yeah, I you know.

690
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: And that's what I want people to understand. Now. I

691
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: know so many people listen to this conversation Dean, and

692
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: they said, well, we're not gonna run a hundred miles,

693
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna gonna do anything close to that. And that's

694
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 1: not the point. The point is, no matter where you

695
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: are and how you feel in the moment, this is

696
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,479
Speaker 1: the greatest gift that I was given Dan from these races.

697
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you experienced it as well as no

698
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: matter how bad you feel at the moment, as you

699
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: just described, Ken and will get better and all the

700
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: cliches hold true, right, just people don't believe them. I

701
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: would say, all the the answers to life the or

702
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: on Instagram, right, it's just people don't apply it's all

703
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: there also sayings that people, you know, it's just they

704
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: don't truly believe it because they haven't suffered, they haven't

705
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: seen and built that self efficacy, right, And I think

706
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: so much of it as failure, the fear of failure.

707
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: And when we have that mindset that you and I

708
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: just talked about, where it doesn't matter who cares what

709
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: anyone else thinks, then you're open to do whatever you want. Yeah,

710
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: I agree, And I mean I just tell people experiment.

711
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean, just you know, have fun with it. If

712
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 1: you can't, you know, sign up for a fifty mile

713
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: race and just lay yourself out and enjoy the experience. Right,

714
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: And you know, what have you gotten to this point to?

715
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: Now this is gonna sound weird. And I've done enough

716
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: races in my you know, uh kind of wheelhouse that

717
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: I got to the point where I don't want to

718
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: get hurt. So I never trained as much as everyone else,

719
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: and you know, didn't go as far even close to

720
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: as far as frequent as you did. But with iron Man,

721
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: I go, okay, kind of achieved as you said, did

722
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: the Hawaiian iron Man a couple of times, wanted to

723
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: break ten hours, did that, so I trained less and

724
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: less and less, and I think part of it was, hey,

725
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: it's a great excuse, right, I'm gonna be honest. I'm

726
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: not gonna go fast because I didn't put in the work.

727
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: But then I also feel like I wanted to make

728
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: it harder because I knew I could do a team

729
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: and your bare Mountain fifty K I signed up for

730
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: that wasn't running it at all. Really a little bit,

731
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: but not the miles I should have. The night before

732
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: that race, I went on the website and this was

733
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: what last May I think, and it said it was full.

734
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: I said, I don't take that. I don't believe it.

735
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: So I went on and said, let me see if

736
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 1: it'll still take my application. Sure enough, the night before

737
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: it took it, and I showed up and I suffered

738
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: my butt off, but it was amazing, and it's just

739
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: just getting out there and doing it, enjoying it. I thought,

740
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: you know, as it took me forever, you ran that

741
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: one as well, right, did you set us off and

742
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: then go? You know, I mean that that whole event

743
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: was my my baby. Yeah, you know, you're you're a sick,

744
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: sick person. That was one of the world I haven't

745
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: done a lot of that stuff. That was just straight

746
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: up and down. That was horrific, But I loved it. No,

747
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: I I'm I'm shaking my head and agree. I'm not

748
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: an email with you. That is a tough race. And

749
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: it's you're talking about and you don't want to get injured.

750
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, that is just not the race you want

751
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: to do. If you're trying to get injured. You put

752
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: us down like the roots the rocks. Yeah, and you

753
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: know what's so humbling though. What I loved it is

754
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: I'm getting past by what fifty miles at mile twenty

755
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: four or whatever, and it's just you know, you go,

756
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: this is how fortunate I am. And that's where we'll

757
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: kind of pull this all together, dan Is. I always

758
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: feel when I'm feeling bad, I remember being an iron

759
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: Man's and seeing someone in a wheelchair on the sidelines

760
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: or whatever, and you go, no matter how bad you

761
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: feel at that moment, how fortunate we are to be

762
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: doing it right and especially making our careers from doing it.

763
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: You can't, we can't complain. No, it's it's we're privileged

764
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: in that regard, although we've worked to get what we have.

765
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't trade it for the world. I mean,

766
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: it's the best feeling in the world to be out

767
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: there suffering with someone else. I mean, shared suffering brings

768
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: people together. And I think you just you hit it,

769
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, on the head when you said, you know

770
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: you see someone in a wheelchair. You know they're just

771
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: saying that. You know. I used to feel sorry. I

772
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: had no shoes until I met a man they had

773
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: no feet, right, So it's just those kind of poignant moments. Uh,

774
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: they're beautiful, right, right, We're all suffering, and we're all

775
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: in that same race. And and that's why I would

776
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: say when I used to coach charity before the race,

777
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's not a matter of if something's gonna

778
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: go wrong, but what and how you deal with that? Right?

779
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: I love the line by Mike Tyson. Everyone has a plan,

780
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: right until you get punched in the face. That's that's

781
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: one of my last PEP talks. I think to the

782
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: charity I coach, and they were probably happy before iron

783
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: Man like Classid, I said, who's the first, you know,

784
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: who's first time? It's about fifty of them, I said,

785
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: who has a plan? All of them? I said, well,

786
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: that's real good. You know, what does Mike Tyson say,

787
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: I said that all gonna get punched in the face,

788
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: so it will be harder than others. So we're gonna

789
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: get punched three times, but you just get up and again,

790
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: these are the cliches things we read about, but you're

791
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: a living proof of that. So you know, you you

792
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: talked about in one of the interviews recently, you know,

793
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: your chicken soup for the soul and a story about

794
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, just how powerful exercises for the mind for depression.

795
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: We always think of it, or most people think of

796
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: it from the neck down. And you were talking about

797
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: a soldier and PTSD, And I think in the times

798
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: we are in now, we control what we can and

799
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: part of the insanity and the control we can have

800
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: is through exercise, right, and just explain to people how

801
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: powerful that is and how they can do it whenever

802
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: they want to feel better. Yeah, I mean, anyone who's running.

803
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you come home with the way

804
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: of the world on your shoulders, with so many problems,

805
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: and you go out the door and you run for

806
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: an hour and you come back and all of a sudden,

807
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,959
Speaker 1: they're not they're they're they're put in perspective, and they're

808
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: certainly not nearly as captive over you as they were

809
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: when you left. So exercise has the power to rejuvenate.

810
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: It brings, you know, a renewal. It's a renewal of

811
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: your soul and your spirit. And I think more people

812
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: are experiencing that because of the lockdown right now. Ironically,

813
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: you know, the race the whole racing scene is non

814
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: existent right now, but more people are running than ever,

815
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: and I think people are discovering that that magic in running.

816
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,479
Speaker 1: And I hope this trend continues because I think again,

817
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: it's good for everyone. It's good for the air we breathe, um,

818
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: it's good for humanity. And people are discovering what we've

819
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: known for years, and I think that's a beautiful thing,

820
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: and I hope it's a trend that continues for many

821
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: years to come. I agree. I agree percent. I just

822
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: looked in as I'm going out for my bike rides

823
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: or runs, and it looks like a really badly designed triathlon.

824
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: There are people on the wrong side of the road.

825
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is where you are, and

826
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: I love it, but there are so many people you know, walking, biking, strollers, Uh,

827
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day though, it just

828
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: makes me happy, as you said, because we want people

829
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: to find what we have and the enjoyment and how

830
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: it's free. It's free. You just got to get out

831
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: there and do it. What is next, you said, the

832
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: movie that's so exciting. I can't wait to see that.

833
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: And you sure you can't tell us who the actor

834
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: is right now, I'll tell you this when they came

835
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: to me, When the producer came to he said, we

836
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: want to buy rights to your book. Uh I, I said,

837
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: the one thing I need written in this contract is

838
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: anyone attached to it has to has to have run

839
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: a marathon like I don't. You're not gonna be able

840
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: to Like it would be so easy for Hollywood to

841
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: do it. You know, a cheesy running movie, right. I'm

842
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: a surfer as well. I mean, you look at surfing

843
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: movies at Hollywood down you're like, um, you roll your eyes.

844
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: And I just said, only only when someone who's actually

845
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: run the legitimate marathon is going to be able to capture, um,

846
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: what we do and and convey it properly. So everyone

847
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: that's involved is full on runners and and they're big

848
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: time personalities as well. So it's gonna delight anyone in

849
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: the injurerention. So this helps me where to look down. Now,

850
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: I just got to figure out the actor that looks

851
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: like you that's run a marathon, fits the age that's on. Well, congratulations,

852
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: I have you know, read everything you've done and you know,

853
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: looked up to you, and uh just feel so fortunate

854
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: to be able to have this conversation with you and

855
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: bring you know more people your story. Is there another

856
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: book in the works or anything like that, or what's

857
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: a race? I think you've done it all. Yeah, No,

858
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean I have another book that should be out.

859
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: That's what you're saying, was us Yeah, trust later this summer,

860
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: but I think it's gonna be um now, spring of

861
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: next year, just because all the book stort are closed.

862
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: So another book, and it's it's kind of it's a memoir,

863
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: I mean a memoir, So it's kind of a it's

864
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: about you know, my first book was a coming of

865
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: age book is kind of learning this whole secret world

866
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: of ulture endurance and this one most recent books. You know,

867
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: how do you stay the course? How do you stay

868
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: true to you know, what you love? As you get

869
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 1: older and you start you know, talk facing some of

870
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: the things you talked about. You know, you have to

871
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: work harder to keep your same you know, level of fitness,

872
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: and you know, things start happening in your body that

873
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: never used to happen when you're younger. You know, how

874
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: do you how do you? You know? How do you?

875
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 1: How do you persevere in the sport that's all about perseverance, right,

876
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: and you're living proof of it and that's you know,

877
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: it should be so inspiring to so many people. And

878
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure when you get older, Dean, you're

879
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: gonna have bad knees? Right where contail party thing? At

880
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: what age will you you get credit for it? Right?

881
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: Is it sixty seventy eight? Where they go? Maybe it

882
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: was right? Maybe maybe it's not bad for your knees,

883
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I'll end with just a crazy story.

884
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: But my my mom is from this island called Ikadia,

885
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: which is in Greece. And I don't know if you've

886
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: heard of the Blue Zones, So yeah, so this island

887
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: and Greece is one of the Blue Zones. So we're

888
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: at this island last summer and these people there, this

889
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,959
Speaker 1: has the highest concentrations of centenarians on a new place

890
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: on Earth, so more people people that lived to be

891
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: a hundred. And we're at this village up in the

892
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: hills and these people they look like mountain goats. But

893
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: this woman comes walking back into the village and she's

894
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: so upset. She's a hundred and four and she's an entrepreneur.

895
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: She just started this new business and but she's really upset.

896
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: And when we were saying, you know what, why are

897
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: you so upset, she said, well, I walked three miles

898
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: to the bank, and then I walked three miles back,

899
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, that seems like a pretty good

900
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: hike to me. Why are you so upset? She said, Well,

901
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: I wanted to borrow some money for my business, and

902
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: the bank has a policy they don't lend money to

903
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: anyone over a hundred and three. Stop. I couldn't get

904
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: my loan, damn it. Oh my gosh. I love that story,

905
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: and I didn't make the connection. I love the Blue Zones.

906
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: And again, for people who don't know that's it's one

907
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: of the greatest books and series of books to read.

908
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: And you know, they drink wine. And what I love

909
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: in that book to Dean is how often they go

910
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: to find the person that they're looking for and they'll say, oh,

911
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, I came to this farm and I found

912
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: someone who looked to be about seventy seventy five years old,

913
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: and they turned out to be a hundred four, right,

914
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: but they just, oh my god, I love that. I

915
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: love that. All right, you have to your question. I mean,

916
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: it's a their cuteness answer to your question, when do

917
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: I be able to play the age card? I still

918
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: got thirty or forty more years on that one. Now

919
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: that I know you have those genetics, I mean I

920
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: knew you had the Greek genetics, but I didn't know

921
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: you had that specific the island. You literally lived to

922
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: be a hundred and ten. That's awesome and I encourage everyone. Actually,

923
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought it up. Read that book the

924
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: Blue Zones. It's another thing too, you know, you read

925
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: Dean's book Ultra marathon Man and all the other ones,

926
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: and you start to make the connections. You go, Okay,

927
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: this inspires me. And these people the way they live

928
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: that's the greatest research, right is the six different five

929
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: or six different places in the world where they live

930
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: so long and there are things that they share in common. Right,

931
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: that's awesome, Dean. I couldn't be more just fortunate to

932
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: speak with you again. Thank you so much for taking

933
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: the time. And when are we gonna do another horrible

934
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: bare Mountain fifty or something like that in the future, right, Oh,

935
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: my gosh, we'll see I mean hopefully running. You know,

936
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: events will come back online next year. Yeah, we got

937
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: many many torture tortures adventures still for you to go.

938
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: Tom awesome. I'll prom with you down there now that

939
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: I know you designed it, I'm gonna I'm gonna seek

940
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: out your events because they are truly cathartic. I'll leave

941
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: it at that, Dean. Thank you so much. Uh, good

942
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,959
Speaker 1: luck with the movie and the book, and ak forward

943
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: to hopefully having you back when you come out with

944
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: both of those, and we'll talk again on all right,

945
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: thank you so much. We will be right back. I

946
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: started the show by saying I have the greatest job

947
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: in the world, and I will finish the show by

948
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: saying I have the greatest job in the world. And

949
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: yes I am standing, and yes I am actually sweating.

950
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: I love that that he brought that up, that he's

951
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: walking around. I'm walking around if you want to learn

952
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: what NEAT is non exercise activity thermogenesis. Listen to my

953
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: podcast on that. By the way, it goes to what

954
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: we're talking about, standing working movement into your entire day.

955
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: But how great was that interview? How great is Dean Carnassis.

956
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: He is so unbelievable, so humble, has put his body

957
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: and mind through the unspeakable, through the unspeakable, And I

958
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: get so motivated and inspired by by connecting with people

959
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: like him, And that's why I feel so fortunate to

960
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: have this job. That as he said, we we both

961
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: worked really hard to get here, don't you know, misunderstand

962
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: it takes a lot to give up what he gave

963
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: up and and to start at the bottom and to

964
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: literally put his body through torture to do what he loves.

965
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: But neither him nor I would change a moment of it.

966
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: And I love bringing guys like him and women like

967
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: him to you, people who just say, you can do

968
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. You can make your passion

969
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: your vocation. You can make an incredible living off running,

970
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: but you gotta work hard, you gotta believe in yourself,

971
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: and you have to be passionate about it. Let me

972
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: go through his books because if you are inspired, if

973
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: you need to be inspired, these are for you. And

974
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: we're just gonna start at the beginning. So we talked

975
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: about Ultra marathon Man Confessions of an All Night Runner.

976
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: He will get you in the first couple of pages

977
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: Ultra marathon Man, Confessions of an All Night Runner. Then

978
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: he has a book called Run twenty six point two

979
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: Stories of Blisters and Bliss with a great title. Then

980
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: that fifty marathons in fifty States and fifty days. That

981
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: book is called fifty by fifty Secrets I learned running

982
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: fifty marathons in fifty days and how you two can

983
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: achieve super endurance. And then in really interesting one, the

984
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: last one I read too, and I believe it's the

985
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: last one he wrote personally, The Road to Sparta, reliving

986
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: the ancient battle and epic run that inspired the world's

987
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: greatest foot race. And again then he's contributed to different

988
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: two different chicken soups for the Soul books. And we

989
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: just learned this movie coming out about Ultra marathon Man.

990
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: Couldn't be more excited for that and for him, and

991
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: I just really encourage you to take to heart what

992
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: you can do and to listen to his story, to

993
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: read his books, and by the way, goa to his

994
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: website is Ultra marathon Man dot com. Books are there,

995
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: his events are there, and a lot more media for

996
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: him as well. But this show is not just about

997
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: busting the myths and giving you the exercise science. We

998
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: need that. But if you don't have hope, if you

999
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: don't believe in yourself the motto of my life the

1000
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: three words I live by, then all else is lost.

1001
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: And he is not special. He has done special things

1002
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: and you can too. We are all ordinary people with

1003
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: the ability to do extraordinary things. That comes down to mindset,

1004
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: and that comes down to being open to not being perfect,

1005
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: to having those moments when you don't think you can

1006
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: get through it because you can, because you can, no

1007
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: matter how bad you feel. I love the story he told,

1008
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: and I've had so many experiences like that throughout my

1009
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: racing career, when the body gives up and you say

1010
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: and you mentally you give up, or you can give up.

1011
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: And what you learn when you do it enough is

1012
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: that the body comes back. You just have to be

1013
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: in the moment and you keep moving forward because every

1014
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: step forward is a step towards the finished line. So

1015
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: thank you for listening. Thank you too, Dean for taking

1016
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: the time. I'm inspired, I'm getting ready to go for

1017
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: a run right now myself. And again I say it

1018
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: at the end of every show for a reason. We

1019
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: control three things. How much we move. And the more

1020
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: you move, the better you're gonna feel what we put

1021
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: into our mouths. The more you eat healthy foods, the

1022
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: better you're gonna feel physically and mentally, and finally, our attitudes.

1023
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: And it's all connected. The more you move, the better

1024
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: you eat, the better you're going to feel mentally. It's

1025
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: all connected, and we control all three things. Thank you

1026
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Speaker 1: for listening. I am Tom Holland. This is Fitness Disrupted.

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