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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Get the Charge podcast, presented by the

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Speaker 2: Chargers Podcast Network. My name is Steven and I am

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Speaker 2: the host, and joining me is my guy Tyler.

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Speaker 1: Tyler, what's up man? How you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing a fantastic first day of teaching and being

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Speaker 3: paid for it. It was great, great first day with

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Speaker 3: my kids. And listen, anytime you can walk into work

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Speaker 3: after our Chargers victory, you're feeling pretty good. Sure it

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Speaker 3: was just the preseason, but like it feels good to

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Speaker 3: walk into work after our Chargers victory on the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it certainly made the weekend more fun for sure.

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Speaker 2: Obviously. You know, we both work in education. I'm at

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Speaker 2: a year round school, though it was first day for you.

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Speaker 2: My wife works in education. It was a first day

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Speaker 2: back for her without kids. But so wishing all of

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Speaker 2: my fellow educators some some good vibes. Sending it all

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Speaker 2: to you guys as you you know, work towards a

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Speaker 2: new school.

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Speaker 1: Year, and I'm glad Tyler a great first day as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was awesome. Vibes out to all the people

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Speaker 3: working in education. You deserve all the good things that

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Speaker 3: happened this year.

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Speaker 1: There we go.

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Speaker 2: All right, So on today's show, we are going to

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Speaker 2: dive into that preseason game. We've had some time to

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Speaker 2: look at the data, look at the numbers, watch some film,

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Speaker 2: and really be able to you know, kind of take

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Speaker 2: a broader scope at really what happened on Saturday night

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Speaker 2: in this Chargers preseason game, have some takes to fire away.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to be doing a game ball segment

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Speaker 2: every single week on this show. Again there's an instant

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Speaker 2: reaction aspect of the game ball that's really tradition.

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Speaker 1: Obviously CJ. A.

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Speaker 2: Koy a great story, great moment, got it from the

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Speaker 2: actual Chargers team. Tyler and I are kind of taking

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Speaker 2: a step back this week and being able to, you know,

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Speaker 2: really analyze who performed well. I felt like last or

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, I always would say on our

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Speaker 2: show like I would retroactively change it to Rashaan and Slay.

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Speaker 2: And so this year where we're doing in that, we're

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Speaker 2: we're taking a step back and you know, we're choosing

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Speaker 2: these guys after being able to watch some tape and

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Speaker 2: look at the numbers. So we'll have that today as

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Speaker 2: well to round out the show. As always, before we

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Speaker 2: get started. Tyan and I are fans of the show.

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Speaker 2: We are are not employees of the Charters organization, and

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Speaker 2: as such, some opinions that we express on this show

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Speaker 2: and every single week on the show are not reflected

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Speaker 2: of the Charters organization. So we're very grateful for this

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Speaker 2: platform and excited to dive back into this preseason game.

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Speaker 2: We'll also have a little bit of a look ahead

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Speaker 2: to next preseason game, some things that we're going to

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Speaker 2: be looking for next week. So Tyler, what's up, man?

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Speaker 2: You ready to dive in, dive back into this one,

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Speaker 2: this one.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: I love talking about wins.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely way more fun to talk about wins. You know,

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Speaker 2: when in preparation for this show, I was really kind

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Speaker 2: of curious where we would start and who we wanted

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Speaker 2: to highlight for their performances, And like I said, you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of great performances that I think we

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Speaker 2: we talk about Easton Stick and what he was able

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Speaker 2: we have some time to reflect back of what Easton

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the best quarterback on the field that

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Speaker 3: But it was a really, really solid performance and we've

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Speaker 3: Eastern Stick's career in pressure to sack rate in the

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Speaker 3: When there's pressure, he goes down. Now, granted there's been

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Speaker 3: No negative play from Eastern Stick in that game, and

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Speaker 3: generally they've been getting work and shining on offense now

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Speaker 3: It's been quite a drastic turnaround for Easton Stick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you mentioned just like the managing the

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Speaker 2: now obviously, so that's a really positive step forward. You

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Speaker 2: this is a fantastic step for him. But we saw

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Speaker 2: that Kellen Moore's philosophy is to aggressively take what the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two it was seven point five. We're talking

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Speaker 2: the rest of the preseason. But he was taking shots.

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Speaker 2: And we just hadn't really seen that kind of aggressive

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can hear all the time to take more

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Speaker 3: Because all respect to Easton Stick, Justin Herbert is a

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Speaker 3: So it's great to see that. And yes it is

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Speaker 3: but you know, neither's the offense. It's great to see

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Speaker 4: Things are very exciting.

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Speaker 3: Kellen Moore has done quite a bit and did a

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Speaker 3: lot of a lot of talk to talk all the time.

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Speaker 3: So far, it's been nothing but walk the walk.

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Speaker 4: As soon as training camp hit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's one thing to do. And in practice,

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Speaker 2: you know, of course they'll they'll have some sacks and

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Speaker 2: team drills and things like that, but you know, you

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Speaker 3: It's one game for Eastern Stick. I know, but we've

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Speaker 2: But it wasn't just those three, right Like we saw

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Speaker 3: And we will talk about the Run game because there's

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you had any rankings or tiers

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Speaker 3: The offense could move. Was it you know, big twenty

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Speaker 2: love the intentionality of getting these guys into situations where

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Speaker 2: they feel comfortable. And Zion talked about it today, you know,

437
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 2: Isaiah Spiller talked about it on Chargers Weekly about how

438
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 2: much everybody is really excited about running the ball and

439
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 2: how the downhill approach is featuring these guys well, and

440
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 2: you brought up Will Clap, and I thought Will Clap

441
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 2: had an outstanding performance on Saturday Night.

442
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Speaker 1: And I know that, you.

443
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 2: Know, there's a drop off in terms of like pass

444
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 2: protection plan and the ability to communicate when you go

445
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 2: from Corey Lindsay to Will Clap, Like that's just the

446
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 2: nature of the business. But individually, I thought Will Clap

447
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 2: was really solid last year, and I think you should

448
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 2: feel really comfortable about him being your backup center. I

449
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: think he's a solid backup center and I think he

450
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 2: showed that on Saturday Night. And the guy that I

451
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Speaker 2: really want to highlight here is Zach Bailey, the right

452
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Speaker 2: guard who came in for Jamari Sawier. We've heard from

453
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Speaker 2: Brandon Staley at press conferences. We heard from Brandon NuGen

454
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Speaker 2: in his you know interview with Eric Smith that the

455
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Speaker 2: Chargers are really high on Zach Bailey. And this is

456
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Speaker 2: a guy who they claimed off of waivers from the

457
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Speaker 2: Washington Commanders, where he had mostly played tackle. That's what

458
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Speaker 2: he did last preseason, and so to hear how highly

459
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Speaker 2: they viewed him as a potential guard coming into this preseason,

460
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Speaker 2: I was kind of confused.

461
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Speaker 1: Honestly.

462
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Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, like, he's a he's mostly played

463
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Speaker 2: tackle for you. Now you're switching in positions and you

464
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: really are are you know, thrilled with this guy? So

465
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Speaker 2: just like I wanted to see what he looked like

466
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Speaker 2: in a game. And we've heard some some good things

467
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Speaker 2: about practice, but it just looks different in a game, right,

468
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Speaker 2: And so he comes out in his first preseason game

469
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 2: at right guard, he only allows one pressure. And if

470
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Speaker 2: you look at the rushing statistics, the Chargers went to

471
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Speaker 2: the right side, which you know, definitely features some Jamari,

472
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: definitely features some Zion polling like I mentioned, but that

473
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 2: was a lot of Zach Bailey. And so if you

474
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Speaker 2: look at their rushes to the right side, they went

475
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Speaker 2: twelve carries seventy two yards for an average is six

476
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Speaker 2: yards per carry, and that's featuring Zach Bailey. That's what

477
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 2: they did last year was Zion with Zion after Rashaan

478
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: Slater went down, as they featured that right side more

479
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 2: and they looked at Zach Bailey and said, let's feature him.

480
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 2: You know, he's gonna be the focal point of our

481
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Speaker 2: rushing attack. And he rewarded them with some great blocks.

482
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Speaker 2: Like I loved watching that unit perform, you know, specifically

483
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Speaker 2: with Will Clapp and Zach Bailey. And I thought Bailey

484
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: was outside of easton Stick. I think Bailey was the

485
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Speaker 2: best player on the offense on Saturday night.

486
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Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, the best player outside of East and Stick

487
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Speaker 3: on offense.

488
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Speaker 4: That's listen. You love your offensive line.

489
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Speaker 2: Zion played seven snaps, I will say. I will say

490
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Speaker 2: Zion played seven snaps.

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Speaker 1: You know great.

492
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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I certainly didn't hone in on Zach Bailey,

493
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Speaker 3: but I'll take your word for it.

494
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Speaker 4: I'll have to go back and watch him.

495
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just really like you have a ton of confidence,

496
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: and you know, this was the first game for Jordan

497
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: mcfahnen and a guard as well. There were definitely some

498
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: learning moments for him. You know, I thought his penalty

499
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: on Isaiah Spiller was just unfortunate timing. But you know

500
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 2: he's switching positions, the timings different, the communication is different,

501
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: and I think you come away from that performance very

502
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 2: very encouraged, and you have this backup trio of into

503
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 2: your offensive linemen that I feel really comfortable with. You know,

504
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: I think we highlighted the offensive tackle depth last week

505
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 2: and our concerns there. I feel great about the interior

506
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: offensive line depth, which like is pretty crazy to say

507
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: considering the team that we love watching and their history

508
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: with backup into your offensive lineman. But all three of

509
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: these guys I thought played really well. They've all had

510
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,959
Speaker 2: good camps, and I think that this group is going

511
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: to really be, you know, the focal of the rest

512
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: of the preseason. I don't know how much more we're

513
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: gonna see Zion and Jamari play, but Jordan mcfahn and

514
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: Will clap in Zach Bay that I think you feel

515
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 2: great about as a backup into your offensive line trio.

516
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Speaker 3: Do you feel any differently, I'm guessing better about the

517
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 3: chances of then Jamari being the other actual swing tackle,

518
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 3: Like we've sort of talked about it, but they haven't

519
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: moved him. But the more you see from this offensive

520
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 3: line's interior, like if you you said, Zach Bailly was amazing.

521
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Speaker 3: If you're seeing that, you're seeing McFadden developed, granted as

522
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 3: a left guard, you've seen this interior improve.

523
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Speaker 4: And look really good.

524
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Speaker 3: Are you more like kind of stock up on the

525
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 3: idea that Sawyer could actually be that that sort.

526
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Speaker 4: Of swing tackle or.

527
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Speaker 2: I I mean I would love to, Like if he's

528
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Speaker 2: your swing tackle, I think you feel great about that,

529
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Speaker 2: but I think that they would still kind of prefer

530
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Speaker 2: to keep him there and maybe maybe bring in somebody

531
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Speaker 2: else at tackle before you move him. Like, if there's

532
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Speaker 2: two injuries at offensive tackle, then I think you put

533
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Speaker 2: Jamari back out there. But the double edged short here

534
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: is like, yes, Jamari's proven that he can be a

535
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Speaker 2: quality offensive tackle, but it's like, ideally you want him

536
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 2: to find a long term home and I think that

537
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: his best position is on at right guard, you know,

538
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: and and so ideally he doesn't come to that point

539
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 2: and Jamori gets to stick at right guard. Obviously you

540
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: don't want any injuries, right but you know, for Jamari's sake,

541
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Speaker 2: I think his long term best position is at right guard,

542
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Speaker 2: and hopefully he's able to stick it out there.

543
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Speaker 3: Not to be this guy, but you did focus on

544
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Speaker 3: the offensive line, and we've sort of left out a

545
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 3: name here, so I am a little curious how you

546
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Speaker 3: felt Foster Ceryl fared in his sort of debut.

547
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Speaker 4: I guess of the preseason.

548
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Speaker 1: It was.

549
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Speaker 2: It was it did not live up to what I

550
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: was hoping for. Foster's a young player, you know, he

551
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: was an undrafted free agent, and he's definitely more comfortable

552
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 2: in his own skin. I think you can see that.

553
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Speaker 2: But there were some some tough moments in the second half,

554
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: and the second sack against Max Duggan was was not great.

555
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: I thought that both he and Austin Pleasants had some

556
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: tough moments. They had some good moments too. There was

557
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: a there was one rep against Byron Young I think

558
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: his name is number zero for the Rams where Foster

559
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: was able to trap him and get him to the ground,

560
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: and we hadn't really seen him do that. So there

561
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: was definitely some growth. But I thought both of the

562
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: tackles had some tough moments as well.

563
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just curious.

564
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 4: I hate to bring that up, but you know there's

565
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: tackle depth to talk.

566
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: You gotta talk about it, you have to for sure.

567
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's offensive line talk. Satisfying my personal quota,

568
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 2: which we always have to get on the show because

569
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Speaker 2: I'm a big offensive line guy. Tyler, who did you

570
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: want to highlight next after Saturday Saturday Night's performance?

571
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Speaker 3: Oh goodness, anybody on the defensive line, to be completely honest,

572
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 3: but let's go with Let's go with Chris Rumf. I

573
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: think that look I understand And people even made the

574
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 3: comments while this was happening.

575
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 4: Chris Ruff has.

576
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: Been great in the preseason, maybe kind of shies away

577
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: and goes away during the regular season doesn't quite live

578
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: up to what the preseason looks like. But there was

579
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 3: just a display of stringing either pass rush moves together

580
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 3: or just power that Chris Rump had that You're really

581
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 3: starting to see what looks like a complete pass rusher

582
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 3: out there. And you know, I don't know how strong

583
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: the Rams feel about their tackles. It seems like the

584
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: whole thing is in flux. But he went out there

585
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: and looked like they're best defender and then just got

586
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: to sit down. Like the way he was rushing the

587
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: passer and the ferocity that he has, He's improved so much.

588
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 3: Like this was a guy at Duke who was like

589
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 3: playing sort of like Tully, but he was smaller and

590
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: like playing a lot of linebackery stuff and going out

591
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: in college. The transformation to what he is now, both

592
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: in body type, play style, and even just where he

593
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 3: plays is tremendous. Like Brandon Saley has really taken this player,

594
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: given him, you know, enough reps now sometimes he just

595
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: had to because of injuries, but they really built this player,

596
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: Chris Romp to improve and I think that while it

597
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 3: was very limited action, there was so much to like

598
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: about what he could do. Then you pivot to the

599
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: twenty year old in Tuley, and this is really I guess,

600
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: both of them together, it's the best edge three edge

601
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: four situation they've had in the Telesco era, and I

602
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: almost think that's by far. I could argue they've had

603
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: maybe a better edge three that being a Chenna and

604
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: Wosu at the time, but they haven't had they haven't

605
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: had an edge four, like whether it's whether it's Chris

606
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 3: Romp or it's Tuley, they have not had a situation

607
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: like this in quite some time.

608
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Speaker 4: You know.

609
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: I went and looked back at the.

610
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 3: Chiefs game in twenty twenty, in Herbert's debut, and that

611
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: trio Ingram Bosa and Wosu had nineteen pressures, a sack,

612
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: multiple run stops, et cetera. They could do whatever, and

613
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 3: it allows like Jerry Tillery to have six pressures in

614
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Speaker 3: Asako whatever.

615
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 4: We ended up having that game.

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Speaker 3: You know, we've I've talked about, We've talked about Morgan

617
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: Fox is another step forward, breakout candidate. The defensive line

618
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 3: is coached by Jade Rodgers, and that group looks awesome.

619
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Speaker 3: You've got both, You've got Mac and I've got two lead.

620
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Speaker 3: Now you've got Chris rum looking even better. It's just

621
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Speaker 3: tough to not get excited for this rotation. I think

622
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: that Edge three and Edge four, both those guys in

623
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Speaker 3: like the twelve snaps they had or whatever it was,

624
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Speaker 3: it's all I needed to see.

625
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Speaker 1: They looked great.

626
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you decided to go with Chris rump here because,

627
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Speaker 2: like I understand, last year, he had some really good

628
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: moments in the preseason. But for me, like looking back

629
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Speaker 2: at that, it was a lot of just like sheer

630
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: effort and get off because he does have a great

631
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 2: get off and he has ridiculously high motor, but his

632
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: arsenal has really come a long way and his power

633
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: has come a long way. That was something that Derek

634
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: Ansley talked about today that you know, he didn't put

635
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: on a ton of weight, I don't think, like he's

636
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: definitely stronger, and you see that explosiveness on display went

637
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: from his sack. You know, he did a long arm

638
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: stab on this backup offensive tackle and the tackle like

639
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: had to jump back like he like you visibly see

640
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: him move this offensive tackle off of his spot, and

641
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: then he had a great finish on the quarterback. We

642
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 2: just didn't see that kind of stuff last year. And yeah,

643
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: it's a preseason game, but again, like progress is progress.

644
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: You see that display of violence and physicality that we

645
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: hadn't really seen much of his pressure where him and

646
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 2: aim in Ogbong Wmiga, who I wanted to talk about

647
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: as well today as well, Chris Rumf had a cross

648
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: shot move which I had never seen him do, and

649
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: he was able to flatten and bend and get to

650
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: the quarterback and was like inches away from getting a

651
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: strip sack on Brett Rippian. So yeah, like he played

652
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: well in the preseason last year, but like you really

653
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: see some big strides from him just in terms of

654
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: his physicality, in terms of his technicality, as well, and

655
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: I think we've seen that in practice too, so it's

656
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: not like this was just a one off performance where yeah,

657
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: like maybe he just like beat somebody to the spot

658
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: and maybe he just chased somebody down. Like he's actually

659
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: showing that he's a legitimate pass rush option now. And

660
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: you know, there's been a lot of talk about like

661
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: Tully being like clear age three Chris rumpfmind has somebody

662
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: to say about it, man, And I think both of

663
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: these guys are ultimately gonna end up playing some big

664
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: roles for this team.

665
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't expect the newfound power that Chris has

666
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: had because that's kind of what I felt like with Tuley.

667
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: Although Tuley says he's more of a technician than a

668
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 3: power guy, which I thought was interesting, which, hey, great,

669
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: I'm cool with that because he's really powerful, so if

670
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: he also wants to be a technician.

671
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: That's great.

672
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: But I didn't really expect Chris to then continue with

673
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 3: that and get that strength that you know, maybe he

674
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: hasn't really had really more in particular against.

675
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 4: The run, so he can do that.

676
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's really an edge three ab situation

677
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: more than a three and a four here and.

678
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 4: We've talked about how Chris is so.

679
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: Vile to this pass rush and has been on stunts,

680
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: how successful they were. I don't see any reason to

681
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: take him off the field.

682
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: That's it's pretty reminiscent to the receiver situation right now

683
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: with Palmer and Quinton Johnston. So I'm really excited to

684
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 2: see this come to fruition. You know, like the pass

685
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: pass rush depth last year was such an issue and

686
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 2: we got to see Brandon Statey really crank up that

687
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: Brits that blitz rate. This year, he might not have

688
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: to do that, you know, and it's going to be

689
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: very interesting to see the ramifications there. I mentioned Amen,

690
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to highlight him because I thought that he

691
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: played a fantastic game as well. He wore the green

692
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: dot for the I believe the whole first half, so

693
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: he was calling plays, communicating and just felt so much

694
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: more comfortable back there as he was able to sift

695
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: through traffic and diagnose plays. There was, you know, that

696
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: play at the goal line that I tweeted out.

697
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: It was kind of about j T.

698
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: Woods, but it was also about Amin Agwong with me

699
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: of the play after the unsportul conduct penalty where at

700
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: that point the rams are at the two and a

701
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: half yard line two yard line on first and so

702
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: you really have to like set the tone on that

703
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: first down and play in a goal to go situation

704
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: and augment. Amen was able to shed the block of

705
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: the guard and come out and be able to get

706
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 2: the running back down and then J. T. Woods came

707
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 2: up and clean up the rest of the play, which

708
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: speaks highly of what J. T. Woods and his development too.

709
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 2: But Amen was the one who started that Aiman I

710
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 2: mentioned his pressure against the where Chris Rumf almost got

711
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 2: the strips sack. Amen was was up against the running

712
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: back and just blew this running back off of his feet, like.

713
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: It was a great Bowl rush that we saw.

714
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 2: There was another play where Amen was kind of over

715
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 2: the left guard, but like behind the left guard to start,

716
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: and the the rams of motion to the right, so

717
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: he ended up kind of flowing to the opposite side

718
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: and then he cut back underneath and got a tackle

719
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 2: for loss. Like it was a great play from Amen.

720
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, there's been a lot

721
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: of rush to see what this linebacker unit can look like,

722
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,240
Speaker 2: and I think Amen has been incredibly consistent throughout training camp.

723
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: And on Saturday night he just looked calm, collected, very

724
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: similar to how we felt about East and sixth performance.

725
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: And then he was able to take shots, shoot gaps,

726
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: get tackles for losses. Average has to tackle on Saturday

727
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: night was two yards, which is a really, really good number.

728
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: And I think you feel great about this linebacker depth

729
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: if Aiming can really be a consistent and reliable force,

730
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: if he needs to step in for Eric Kendricks, and

731
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: I think he's on track to do that. I want

732
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: to see some more steps, but I thought that he

733
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: was one of the best players on defense.

734
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: If not Chris Rump, I think Amin would probably be

735
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: my choice there.

736
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a sneaky story I guess to follow

737
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: throughout the season. Not Aman necessarily, but just what is

738
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: both being in Brandon's daily system for many years now,

739
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: but also the effect of Eric Kendricks and the effect

740
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: of Jeff Howard having on these linebackers, because you know,

741
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 3: we've seen it from Kenneth Murray of course, and his

742
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 3: development and getting closer to the line of scrimmage, making

743
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: places behind the line of scrimmage. But yeah, someone like

744
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: Amin agbanglamiganaw who.

745
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 4: It's one preseason game.

746
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: I totally get that, but he was affecting at the

747
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, two pressures I think, four tackles, two

748
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: run stops or whatever it was. He's making plays closer

749
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: to the line of scrimmage. It just seems like whoever

750
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 3: you want to give credit to him, even Derek Ansley

751
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: for communication, Jeff Howard Daley, things are just moving slower

752
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: for these linebackers, and they're diagnosing so much better.

753
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 4: And I think maybe that's also.

754
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 3: Partially just due to the defensive line playing so well,

755
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: like Jay Rodgers just unleashing anybody you can find. They're

756
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: getting plays. But these linebackers are looking so good, and

757
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 3: Amen is starting to be one of those guys, a

758
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 3: player that had potential undrafted free agent, but they did

759
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 3: draft Nick Neeman, and I always kind of wondered, why

760
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 3: are you not playing more of Nick Neeman? Maybe I

761
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: still kind of wonder that, But there's some way that

762
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: a men can play where he is a guy who

763
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 3: can affect near the line of scrimmage, who can rush

764
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: the passer. But there was never really like that diagnosing

765
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: that was going on in the same way like it

766
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: was on Saturday.

767
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 4: So I'm glad you pointed him out.

768
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: I think it was so it's so quick to look

769
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: at the guys on the other side of him, right

770
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: the two starters in front of him, or Dayan Henley

771
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: behind him who's currently not starting overplaying in the next

772
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: group over him. It's easy to overlook Amen. But he's

773
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: been good and they have a lot of faith in him.

774
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think stylistically like he's he's probably the

775
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: closest one they have to to Kendricks. You know, there's

776
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: a lot of space and chase linebackers in the NFL,

777
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: and there's just kind of that element of physicality that

778
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 2: you need to play in the middle as the green

779
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: doc caller that Eric Kendricks.

780
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: Has and I think that Aimen has as well.

781
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: All right, Tyler, your final takeaway for maybe from a

782
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: player performance, who do you want to highlight last?

783
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 4: Give me?

784
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 3: He won't be my game ball because he already got one.

785
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: I do want to talk about c J o'coy real quick, Yeah,

786
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 3: because I mean I was talking to Emily Words, who

787
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: covers you know, the NFL internationally and works with the

788
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 3: international players and player relations.

789
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: She's known him for a.

790
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: While and you know they met at NFL Africa camp

791
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: in Ghana last year and he was playing offensive line.

792
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: He's like, hey, I don't like getting hit. I want

793
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: to just I want to hit people.

794
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 4: That's what I would like to do.

795
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: So he switches to defense and OCEU Minia you know,

796
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: identifies him. He attends the International Player Pathway Combine or

797
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 3: whatever it was, gets to join the Chargers, plays in

798
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: the first organized football game of his career and gets

799
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 3: a sack and es fears something ever played football or

800
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 3: an organized fashion like this in a game and he

801
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 3: gets a sack and it's kind of you know, an

802
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: assist sack. You know, I think it would have gone

803
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 3: to I believe Gerard Clark if you could have finished

804
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 3: that play. But okay, you got a sack man, And

805
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: that is one of the coolest stories. And the sideline

806
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 3: just went ballistic, you know, Brandon Steley gave him the

807
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: game ball. One of the best stories of the year.

808
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: Could be almost a movie at this point. Yeah, it

809
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: was awesome to see.

810
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: It was.

811
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 4: It was one play.

812
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: I think it's the only play he even showed up

813
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 3: in the stat sheet. But it's one of the coolest

814
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: plays I've seen, because what a story.

815
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the.

816
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: Scale of difficulty of that sack I think should not

817
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: go unnoticed either because he it was a stunt play

818
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: and he would looped all the way around to the

819
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: other side. You know, he basically come off of came

820
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: off of the left side and Yadjerward Clark certainly kind

821
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 2: of started the play, but he had to chase down

822
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: Stetson Bennett, and Stetson Bennett.

823
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: Is a fast quarterback.

824
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: Like It's not like he chased down you know, Davis

825
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: Mills or one of these others Jared Goff or guys

826
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: who are not are a little bit on the slower

827
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 2: side like sets of Bennett's is a pretty above average athlete.

828
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 1: You at the position. We've seen.

829
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: We saw him light up college football with his legs,

830
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: and so, you know, the scale of difficulty should not

831
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: go unnoticed there. I thought it was a great play overall,

832
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: and just like the moment of seeing the team come together,

833
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: the celebration on the sideline, like every player on the

834
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 2: team like went over and said something to him and

835
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: felt like there was clips of Quinton Johnson going up

836
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: to him. There's clips of other guys going up to

837
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: him on the offensive side of the ball. You know,

838
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: it just was such a cool moment, and then obviously

839
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: the game ball after the game. You know, today he's

840
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 2: getting love on Good Morning Football. You know, obviously Chris

841
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: Harry did a feature on him for CBS leading up

842
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: to the game. It's just like, I think what the

843
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: NFL is all about, and you know a lot of

844
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: times we see these international pathways guys come in and

845
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 2: it's just kind of like it's just it's just a

846
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 2: struggle for them, you know, making that kind of jump.

847
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: And not to say that it hasn't been for CJ,

848
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: but to have this kind of moment, it was truly incredible.

849
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, there's this man looked.

850
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 2: There's some really intriguing physical traits here, Like he's the

851
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,479
Speaker 2: guy is six seven, he's massive, Like he's a big dude,

852
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: and so we'll see what happens there. But you know,

853
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: he got to have his moment in his first NFL game.

854
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: Like I think that's another thing too, Like this was

855
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: his first organized football game. You know, this isn't some

856
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 2: guy who had been playing in Germany for like four

857
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: years or something like that, Like this was his first

858
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: real football game playing and getting a snack which is just,

859
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: you know, such a rarity, and it was, like I said,

860
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: it was a great moment to see.

861
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait to see where it goes from here.

862
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 3: I don't recall exactly how it works roster wise, but

863
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: I mean you get to learn from Jay Rodgers and

864
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: some very very good players. You talk about Morgan Fox

865
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: being a mentor for a long long time, you know,

866
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: for whether it's just the year or however long it is.

867
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 4: It's it's an awesome story.

868
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: It was really really cool to see that, and the

869
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 3: sideline celebrations for everything.

870
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, great, great call there to uh to celebrate CJ.

871
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: All right, Tyler, who is your game ball going to be?

872
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 2: I'm very curious to see where you end up going

873
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: with this, uh this decision here.

874
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 3: So just to clarify, are we doing offense and defense

875
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 3: or just one game ball?

876
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: Uh?

877
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 1: Let's just do one for today? Okay?

878
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: Then I will go with Darius Davis, who we have

879
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: not mentioned really I don't think so so far, and

880
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: I actually want to talk about I believe it was

881
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 3: the two minute drill where he caught a short pass

882
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 3: and blue passed the defender, turned the corner and got

883
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 3: a first down in that two minute drill.

884
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: That was awesome.

885
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 3: But okay, the play of the day was the punt

886
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: return for a touchdown, and boy, he is bad as

887
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 3: confident as anybody could look returning his first real punt

888
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: in the NFL and just going for a touchdown. I

889
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: couldn't believe that. He just started to jog after he

890
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 3: caught the ball. It looked very like he was very

891
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 3: like John Snow, you know, at the Battle of the

892
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 3: word I can't say on the show, drawing the sword

893
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: and just ready to chart.

894
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 4: He was just very confident.

895
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm doing this and then boom he takes

896
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: off and goes for a touchdown. Like there is just

897
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 3: something different I saw day one in practice nopads, some

898
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 3: guys just are faster than others, and Darius Davis is

899
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: really fast. And you know, rarely do I get to

900
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 3: see and do the math in my head where I

901
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 3: can see about where he is relative to the other

902
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: players and go, oh, yeah, he's gone, you know, and

903
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 3: he's got forty yards left, but you know he's gone.

904
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 4: Because he's that fast, and he was. It was awesome

905
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 4: to see.

906
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: I'll give him a game ball for contributing both on

907
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 3: and then really just finally showing why they drafted him,

908
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 3: because it's been a long time coming. We've had to

909
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 3: be really patient through the off season with Darius Davis

910
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: because he's been like wide receiver maybe eight in terms

911
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 3: of like production on the team. Some guys like buying

912
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: them dos obviously high tower, more productive than him. But

913
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: you drafted him for really one reason, and that was

914
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: to be a returner and lo and behold touchdown And.

915
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 4: If that's what we're getting this season to go with

916
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 4: the run game we just.

917
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: Talked about and the development at the quarterback and the

918
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, I mean, come on, man, it's good stuff.

919
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: It is it's it is great stuff. I'm glad you

920
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: brought up the key conversion too. It's just the speed

921
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: level is really really exciting there. I'm excited to see

922
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: how that continues to develop. I forget which account I was,

923
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: but I think it was twenty one point eight miles

924
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: per hour officially on the on the punt return. And

925
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 2: for that to be for him jogging, it's pretty crazy.

926
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: I would love to see what foll speed looks like

927
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: there sometimes soon mister Darius Davis.

928
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, alright, who's your game?

929
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 1: Ball for the game all.

930
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: Right, So we talked about a lot of guys today.

931
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: You know, I mentioned how I thought that Zach Bailey played.

932
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 2: I think that could be a choice here, but I

933
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 2: do want to give this game ball to Andrew Farmer,

934
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: the pass rusher. I thought that he was really a

935
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: pleasant surprise for me. Like we've seen a couple moments

936
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: here and there, but not a ton of reps. And

937
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 2: so for him to come into this game and have

938
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 2: the three pressures, get the sack, get a run stoff,

939
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: get a tackle for loss, and it's not just like

940
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: he had some splash plays. His pass rush win rate

941
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: on PFF was twenty five percent, which is like number

942
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: tenth in the league in terms of edge rushers. Had

943
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: at least ten pass rush naps in Week one of

944
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 2: the preseason, so he was highly effective on a down

945
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: to down basis. He had the splash plays. You know,

946
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: this is another guy who has really come a long

947
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 2: way out of an HBCU. You know, the Charger spotted

948
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: him at the HBCU combine, and you know that's an

949
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 2: area where the NFL I think could do a really

950
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: better job of finding talent, and they took a chance

951
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: on Andrew Farmer as an undrafted free agent, and he

952
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: played incredibly well in his first game in the NFL too.

953
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 2: So I want to give a shout out to Andrew

954
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: Farmer and give him the game ball tonight.

955
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

956
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 3: You know, I don't recall there being any discussion about

957
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 3: Andrew Farmer really prior to training camp, and really threw

958
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: out a lot of it and understandably so, nobody had

959
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 3: any film on him.

960
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 4: We were very lucky to get the games that we did,

961
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 4: and you could just see that maybe.

962
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: Like he wasn't obviously that he was undrafted, right, and

963
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: there's kind of a reason for it. Part of it

964
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: is also competition that he faces, but you could see

965
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 3: there was something there. Whether it's you loved it more

966
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 3: as a pass rusher. I liked it more as a

967
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 3: run defender.

968
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 4: He did both.

969
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: So good for him.

970
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 4: He looks really really good.

971
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: The motor looked great.

972
00:45:58,680 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 4: Will he make the team.

973
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 3: I don't so because I think they're just gonna stick

974
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 3: with four and it almost wouldn't have mattered what anybody

975
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 3: else did, but Andrew Farmer. You know, HPCU player rarely

976
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: discussed player if at all. For him to go out

977
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: in his debut, and look that good is awesome, and

978
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: you could have gone with several different head rushers or

979
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 3: defensive linemen. But if I didn't go with Darius Davis,

980
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: I would have gone with Andrew Farmer. So we're right

981
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 3: on the same page with that one.

982
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: There we go, all right, to wrap up this conversation today,

983
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: you know, during the season, we'll have a bit more

984
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: of a balance between like what happened previously and looking

985
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: ahead to the game. So we'll briefly talk about the

986
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: preseason game that's coming up against the Saints. Obviously they

987
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 2: have joint practices, so with the Saints, I'm excited to

988
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: see what Matt and Chris's takeaways are from being up there,

989
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: up close and personal on Thursday morning. But Tiler, what's

990
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: one thing maybe lingering question or one thing that you

991
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: want settled after the Saints game?

992
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: Depends on participation. But is John high Tower taking that

993
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 3: next step?

994
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: Is that for real?

995
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: I believe he returned to practice today, did not practice

996
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: fully all the way through, So we'll see how things go.

997
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: But I would imagine if he's getting close and knowing

998
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: he's only got one more game after that, I would

999
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: imagine he's trying to get out there, and I really

1000
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: want to see if what we've been seeing in practice translates.

1001
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 3: He's got the quarterback to do it now, so we

1002
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 3: feel really good about that. Can John high Tower go

1003
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 3: in and be the guy to push and secure almost

1004
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: that wide receiver six spot that is sort of vacant

1005
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 3: right now because of Jalen Kitan's injury, So I would

1006
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: love to see what he can do in some legit

1007
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 3: action because we haven't really seen that just yet.

1008
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, High Towers a great call. You know, this.

1009
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: Is kind of turning into more of a battle than

1010
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: I think people are letting on because Keilan Dass has

1011
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: really kind of been a pretty steady presence for East

1012
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: and Stick and that second unit had some great catches

1013
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: on Saturday night as well. So how does that position

1014
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 2: battle kind of come to Fruition is certainly a key

1015
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: point for the next two weeks. You and I have

1016
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 2: talked about previously. They're the Chargers really like to keep

1017
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: ten defensive backs, whether that's six corners, four safeties, five corners,

1018
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: five safeties. I think they can be flexible with that,

1019
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: but right now that that tenth spot is is really

1020
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: up for grabs.

1021
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: I think.

1022
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 2: You know, we've seen Mark Webb come on recently. He

1023
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: started in the preseason game. Obviously we know Raheem Lane

1024
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: is a great special teams player, just brings kind of

1025
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: a different element of physicality. But Cam Brown had himself

1026
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: a really solid performance on Saturday night too, and he

1027
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 2: got to go up against some some starting caliber receivers.

1028
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: Puka Naku is going to play a key role for

1029
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 2: the Rams, so he had he forced two incompletions on

1030
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: Saturday night. He only allowed nineteen total yards as as

1031
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: a cornerback on six targets, so he had a really

1032
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: solid day. So this this tenth spot, I think is

1033
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 2: is really up for grabs. You know, Taiwan Mullen was

1034
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: having himself a really good day I felt like as

1035
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 2: well before the injury, which I think is not super serious,

1036
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: but we having got an update there, So that tenth

1037
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 2: defensive back spot, Like, if Cam Brown really starts to

1038
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 2: build some momentum, maybe he kind of makes him self essential.

1039
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: Maybe Mark Webb is able to really put it together

1040
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 2: get a turnover next week. So that tenth defensive back

1041
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 2: spot I think is a key point to focus on

1042
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: next week and the next week after that as well.

1043
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great call.

1044
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: I didn't consider Cam Brown. There's a point of the

1045
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 3: roster where you start like, Okay, who's that guy again?

1046
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: But he was making his presence really no and yeah

1047
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 3: against the past, but also like tackling, and I think

1048
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: that's something.

1049
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 4: I think he ended up with three or four tackles

1050
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: and a run stop or something was really strong there.

1051
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 4: So I'd love to see his development. I feel like,

1052
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 4: if you had to pick, then is it redundant to

1053
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 4: have Mark Webb also on the roster.

1054
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 3: With Raheem Lane Maybe, but they love him, so yeah,

1055
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 3: that's a good call. I didn't even consider the tenth

1056
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: dB spot there, and yeah, could be a good one.

1057
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: I think with.

1058
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: Maybe potentially wanting more bodies to play the slot this year,

1059
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: I think that might be away from Mark Webb and

1060
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 2: Raheem Lane to both earn a spot this year. Lane's

1061
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: definitely more established on special teams. I feel like at

1062
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 2: this point, Lane's I believe, a starter on three of

1063
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 2: the four core special teams units, so Bryan Pickin really

1064
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: values his performance there. I don't believe Mark Webb is

1065
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: I think he's a starter on punt return. I'm not

1066
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 2: sure what else, but so that's obviously a key battle there,

1067
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: and then like I said, maybe Cam Brown forces his

1068
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: way in there, Tomlin mullen. So we'll see how it

1069
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: goes on that end. So, Tyler, any final thoughts before

1070
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: we head out tonight and get out here.

1071
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,479
Speaker 3: Hoping for another win man and hopefully everyone gets through

1072
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 3: practice okay, healthy, safe and all that. Hopefully nobody starts

1073
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: any fights. Can't think of anyone in particular who would

1074
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: do that. Everything goes well.

1075
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: Yes, very excited to see the content come out of

1076
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: the joint practices. Obviously not a lot of starters playing

1077
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: in the preseason, so you know, we'll get to see

1078
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: Rareshaun Slater versus Cameron.

1079
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: Jordan in practice.

1080
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: You know, we'll get to see you know, Sante and

1081
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: jac Ego up against Chris o'lobby and Michael Davis of course,

1082
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: and Michael Thomas and so just gonna be a great

1083
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: couple practices. I hope, you know, we get to see

1084
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 2: some really cool moments there. But yeah, excited to see

1085
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: how this next preseason game turns out as well. Special

1086
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: thanks to Greg Kim for producing tonight's episode. Can't think

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Speaker 2: the Chargers enough for continuing to give us this platform.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully all of you guys have enjoyed this episode. Please

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Speaker 2: do us a favor and leave us a rating on

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Speaker 2: this platform. If you do, if you mind to take

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Speaker 2: the couple of moments there and subscribe to this channel

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Speaker 2: as well as our own The Guiltiest Charge podcast, that's

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Speaker 2: gonna do for us tonight. We'll see you guys next time,

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Speaker 2: and as always, both up