1 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Just fifteen weeks into it, 2 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: a young mom posting online it says, fifteen weeks baby 3 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: is the size of an orange girl or boy, planning 4 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: her reveal party. But that reveal party for Shannan Watts 5 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: was not meant to be. She is dead, along with 6 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: both of her little girls. Absolutely beautiful little girls, Taughts 7 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: all dead. Why Bella and Celeste found their bodies submerged 8 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: in oil crude oil at an obscure drilling site. I 9 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: Nancy Gray, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 10 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: with us as the mystery intensifies. Take a listen to this. 11 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: My daddy is a hero. He helped me grow up, 12 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: helping me. It's not good too. He reads me. If 13 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: you my daddy, daddy and love you. Well. There you 14 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: here a little Bella singing the daughters Bella and Celeste. 15 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: Something about it, Ashley Wilcott. When I first woke up, 16 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: I started reading about Chanan and her case. And when 17 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: I saw that reveal uh announcement, fifteen weeks baby it's 18 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: the size of an orange girl or boy, I just 19 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: burst into tears. I mean when when I was pregnant, 20 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: ash I didn't have a reveal party. I was keeping 21 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 1: it under the wraps because I didn't want press or 22 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: anybody else to find out about it because it had 23 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: been really really hard for me to get pregnant. I 24 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: was having a very difficult pregnancy. I didn't want it 25 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: out there. I didn't have any kind of a reveal 26 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: party at all. But I recently had a reveal party 27 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: in the backyard with my nephew's wife and they opened 28 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: up a box and balloons came out, and I still 29 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: remember like it was yesterday, and they was so excited, 30 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: and we had a cake and everybody was so happy, 31 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at her. It was a little baby boy. 32 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: And I found out just recently, ash she was battling 33 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: lupa and had really struggled to even have children, and 34 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: they're finally getting their dream two girls and a boy. 35 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: And that was not meant to be. She's dead and 36 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: found and a shallow grave. Ashley. Something about this revealed 37 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: party announcement just pushed me over the edge. Yeah, because 38 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: look at the celebration and how excited she was. And 39 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: she's got these two beautiful, beautiful, beautiful girls, right, and 40 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: so they're gorgeous girls in here. She's gonna have a boy, 41 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: and it's so exciting. And people don't do these revealed 42 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: parties unless they want the child. They're excited about the child. 43 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: She was going to be a mother a third time. 44 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: It was a huge event. Oh man, how I would 45 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: love to be a mother for the third time. I 46 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: guess part of it, Um that's getting to me with 47 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: me is Ashley Willcott, lawyer, judge, founder of child Crime 48 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: watch dot com, investigative reporter with Crime online dot com. 49 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: Ellen Colaurin, who's been on the case from the very beginning. 50 00:03:54,440 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: Cop turned renowned private investigator Vincent Hill, and Susan Constantine, 51 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: the author of Complete Idiot's Guide to Reading Body Language. 52 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: She is a deception of body language expert. Uh to 53 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: all of you, thank you for being with us. Something else, Ellen, 54 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 1: I want to go to you sadly. Vincent, you're left 55 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: out of this part because you're not gonna get it. 56 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: Hold on, sorry, you may be a cop turn p I, 57 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: but this is something completely different. Susan Ashley Ellen. I've 58 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 1: been also looking at another photo that's just come out, 59 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: and it's a chanan and she's standing there holding one 60 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: of the baby girls. I think Celeste Bella's holding onto 61 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: the dad's leg. They're standing in a living room and 62 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: it looks straight Jackie, you gotta see this straight out 63 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 1: of h G TV. Looks like look at that. And 64 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: you know what struck me. I'm looking. I'm like, why 65 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: is this so familiar? The lamp they have in the 66 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: background is the same ones I have in our guest bedroom. 67 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: Got him at pier one on sale. And and it's 68 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: so the whole home Allen is just so cute and 69 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: well decorated. It and she's all dressed up in some 70 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: little black leather slash pleather pants and they have on 71 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: their little outfit. They're just it looks like the perfect family. Ellen. 72 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: That's that's that's the that's the thing. That's what's bothering me. 73 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: And I think it a lot. I think it may 74 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: have it, or at least that they believe that they 75 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: were everything that we're learning about Channon and the kids 76 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: in the in the weeks and months leading up to this, 77 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: they didn't. They weren't scared, they weren't on the run. 78 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: They were they were thrilled about their lives, they were excited, 79 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: they were excited about the future. You know another thing 80 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm looking at um is their home. And I'll tell 81 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: you why I'm focusing on this, and Vincent, I will 82 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: get into the details of the disappearance and the martyrs 83 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: with you in just a moment. But Ashley, I'm looking 84 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: at the home. This is about a half a million 85 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: dollar home in this area, and it's very uh, it's 86 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: really nice, especially for that area. It's not a bad 87 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: area at all. It's a very nice area. But the 88 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: other homes, and you can see the one next to it, 89 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: are are nothing like Shanane's home. And this is what 90 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: else I know, Ashley. I know that the husband had 91 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: been working for an oil company and a dark co 92 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: and they are basically a supplier of crude oil and drilling. 93 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: They drill and uh. They had declared bankruptcy in two 94 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, and they were making a comeback because mommy 95 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: daddy's working, but mommy goes out at lants. An eighty 96 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: thousand dollar job with this health supplant sounds a little 97 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: bit like a pyramid scheme because um, and I don't 98 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: mean that in a bad way. It's just that your 99 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: job is not only to push the health supplement, but 100 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: also to recruit other members to work under you, okay, 101 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: and then you be all the hot. More you recruit, 102 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: the higher up you go, Uh, what's the one? Am? Why? 103 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: Am way? Thank you? Jackie like that? What do you know? 104 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: So here's the thing I have to point out. You know, 105 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: they were having financial problems they want and they went 106 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: through bankruptcy. Most of the times, that's what causes a stress, right, 107 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: and that's when we can see instances of domestic violence 108 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: or injuries or problems because of the stress. Well, now 109 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: they're on their upswing. Now they're doing well. So what 110 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: if it is to you know, whatever type of job 111 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: it was, The reality is she was making good money 112 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: and able to provide and so here and now they've 113 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: gotten through their financial crisis. You would think that that 114 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: particular stress would now be gone. But part of the 115 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: job Susan Constantine is that she has to travel. Now, 116 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: if you look at all of her postings, and I 117 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: would saying the other day, Susan's like the realtor that 118 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: takes you around the look at apartments or homes or 119 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: condos or whatever you're looking at. They always addressed to 120 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: the nines. They've got on awesome furniture, I mean awesome jewelry. 121 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: They if they're driving, they have an awesome car. It's 122 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: perfectly clean and perfect and pristine and smells and me 123 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: on the inside. They have to project that. They have 124 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: to project that, whether it's real or whether that jewelry 125 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: is uh costume jewelry, They've got to project an image. 126 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: And on her Facebook, she was projecting that image. Um, 127 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: because she was recruiting, always recruiting, in these trips out 128 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: of town. She was now having to take Susan or 129 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: like to Mexico to uh cool tourist spots too real 130 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: the next people in to get them to work for 131 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: the same health supplement. And it was working Susan, but 132 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: it involved a lot of travel with Daddy left along 133 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: with the children. Yeah, and you know, Nancy, I've spoken 134 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: to several real estate companies and you're right. I mean 135 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: they dressed to the nth degree. I mean you would 136 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: look out in the sea of people and it's like, 137 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: you know, a fashion show. They dress and St. John's 138 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: and very expensive clothing. And in the fact that she's 139 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: traveling along and then wait, wait, wait, wait wait, you 140 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: said St. John's. You know who we are. St John's, 141 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: Gloria already, can I just put that out there, because 142 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: I have looked at the tags in her clothes. I've 143 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 1: walked up to her said, Gloria, what is that? Why 144 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: do you always have on new outfits St. John's. I 145 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: when I was covering Top Mom in Orlando. Of course 146 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: here comes me, and of course I go to the outlet. 147 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: All right, I go to the outlet, and even in 148 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: the outlet, one jacket was like seven dollars. I looked 149 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: at one jack. I'm like, this is not the right 150 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: place for me. I have to go now. And I left. 151 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying is what they're projecting Susan. 152 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: It may be real. I don't know, but everything looks 153 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: so happy. I think that's what's messing with my head, right, 154 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: And that's what I'm seeing here is this picture perfect life, 155 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: the beautiful home. Everything is staged so beautifully. The clothing, 156 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: the family looks picture perfect, and so that in itself 157 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: me have come in even this. Wait, I'm looking at 158 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: those photos of them coming back from Oh. Another thing 159 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: I found out earlier today. They had just gone on 160 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: a vacation to North Carolina to visit her family, Shenan's family. 161 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: She stayed six weeks he went home after one week. 162 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: Now here's the thing I get. Vacation has to end 163 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: after one week. I never even got a whole week 164 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: off as a district attorney. I might get it a 165 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: couple of days here and there. But she stayed six weeks. 166 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: They were away from the dad for six weeks. Interesting, 167 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: doesn't prove anything, but I'm just taking it away as information. 168 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: My whole point is I'm looking at their travel photo. 169 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: They have matching luckage. When we get our luggage off 170 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: that luggage thing we're it's the saddest luggage of everybody traveling. 171 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: It's all beat up. They've got pitiful little ribbons tied 172 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: on it so you can identify from the others everything 173 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: they have. It's like perfect. They all have matching cute luggage. 174 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: They're all smiling and happy. How the hey, Susan does 175 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: she end up in a shallow grave? And the two 176 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: little girls in that of crude oil? We are taking 177 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: your calls nine zero nine nine crime. I was in 178 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,559 Speaker 1: a really really, really bad place and I got a 179 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: friend to friend requests from Chris on Facebook, and I 180 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: was like, what the heck, I'm never going to meet him? 181 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: Except well, one thing led to another and eight years later, 182 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: we have two kids. We live in Colorado, and he's 183 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: the best thing that has ever happened to me. And 184 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: because of my health challenges, because I so sick, I 185 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: let him in and he only knew me at that time. 186 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: He knew me at my worst. You guys know my 187 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: story with Chris. You know I gave him an out. 188 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: I mean he went to my colonoscopy. I tortured him, 189 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: I rejected him. I I pushed him away time and 190 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: time and time again. But when I canceled dates last minute, 191 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: because that's how life is with my health challenges, you 192 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: cancel things last minute, and it's hard for people to 193 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: get it's hard for me to understand. But he stuck around, 194 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: and he stuck around because he was the one for me. 195 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: And he is amazing and I can't tell you how 196 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: wonderful he is. You are hearing the voice of Shannan Watts, 197 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: and she's talking about her husband, Christopher Watts. They married, 198 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: they had two children, an unborn baby boy they were 199 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: planning to name Nika. At the time. She is murdered. 200 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: Found buried in a shallow grave not too far away 201 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: from her two little girls, Bella and Celeste, whose bodies 202 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: were submerged in crude oil. That why why listen to 203 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: Christopher Watts immediately when his wife goes missing, Bella, Celeste, 204 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: if you're out there, just just come back, Like if 205 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: somebody has her, just please bring her back. I need 206 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: to see everybody. I need to see everybody again. This 207 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: house is not complete with without anybody here. Please bring 208 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: it back. I mean, it wasn't like her not to 209 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: answer a phone call, her attacks, and when her friend 210 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: Nicole showed up at the door, I was like, all right, 211 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: something that sums up and uh. I came home and 212 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: it was like I walked into a ghost town. Like everything. 213 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: She wasn't here, kids weren't here. It was like it 214 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: was just they were here and then they were gone, 215 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: like Shenan, Bell and selves. If you're out there, please 216 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: let's come home. You're hearing Christopher Watts the first day 217 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: that his wife and children both are missing, to Ellen 218 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: co Lauren Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Ellen, it's 219 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: my understanding that Shenan had been out of town on 220 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: a work trip and got in around one or two 221 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: a m. Is that right, That's right. She had been 222 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: away on business for a few days. Yet again, Um, 223 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: right before she went missing, she had gotten home late 224 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: because of a delayed flight. Um. Chris Watts was supposed 225 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: to leave for work at about five or five thirty 226 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: in the morning, and he later said that he and 227 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: his wife had an emotional conversation in those few hours. Yeah. 228 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: And when he was asked about that to Ashley Rollcott, 229 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: he did not explain what he was saying. He just 230 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: said they had an emotional, emotional conversation. So she's getting 231 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: home around one or two am. Uh must have taken 232 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: a red eye and connecting to try to get into Denver, 233 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: anywhere in Colorado, no telling how late you'll be. He 234 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: leaves at five o'clock a m. According to him, Uh, 235 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: to go to work with the oil business and a 236 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: dark coat. Ashley. He obviously had been alone with the 237 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: children the whole weekend while mommy's out of town. She's 238 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: finally making some money and bringing in some money. How 239 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: do you think he dealt with the stress of the 240 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: shoe being on the other foot and him taking care 241 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: of the children all weekend? Yeah? How many times do 242 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: we hear that when the roles reversed and that happens 243 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: and no matter how good a dad is, it is stressful. 244 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: It is something that affects their egos. It's a huge 245 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: blow to them to think, oh my gosh, she's out 246 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: earning the money and now I have to take care 247 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: of the kids. So I think it affected him greatly. 248 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: We hear it over and over and over again. However, 249 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: it does not justify anything being done to kids or worldwife. 250 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: You know, I gotta tell you no offense, Vincent and 251 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: al And when I come home from out of town, 252 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: David is so proud. He goes, well, they're alive. That 253 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: that's his badge of he's happy. They're alive. The places 254 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: are wrecked. They've eating eat nothing but innemons, many muffs 255 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: the whole time I've been gone. They might get pizza, 256 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: and they might might get Chinese. That's it. But he's right, 257 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: they're alive. Everything looks like a cyclone hit a homeworks 258 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: late the whole him, but they are alive. I can 259 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: usually knock on wood count on that. So let me understand, um, 260 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: Susan Constantine with me body language expert, Susan. I want 261 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: you to hear his words again, and this is right. 262 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: When she goes missing, listen Bella Celeust. If you're out there, 263 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: just just come back, Like if somebody has her, just 264 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: please bring her back. I need to see everybody. I 265 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: need to see everybody again. This house is not complete 266 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: with without anybody here back. It was like I walked 267 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: into a ghost town, like everything. She wasn't here, kids 268 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: weren't here. It was like there was just they were 269 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: here and then they were gone, like Shenan Bell and Selest. 270 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: If you're out there, please come home, okay. Susan Constantine, 271 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: Deception of body Language expert, author of The Complete Idiots 272 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: Guy to Reading body Language. Susan Constantine, you have gone 273 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: over and over and over every bit of his interviews, 274 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: his statements. What do you make of it. Well, the 275 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: first thing that really struck me is the lack of 276 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: emotion that he when he was talking about her daughter 277 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: and in the end the daughters and his wife missing. 278 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: You know there, you know, when somebody is really upset 279 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: about something, you're gonna see this pain and suffering in 280 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: their forehead, and you just don't see it. It's a 281 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: very flattened affect. And he often speaks about them in 282 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: past tense, so there's moments where you know that's that 283 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: Bella was was supposed to start in kindergarten. Well it 284 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: should have been Bella is supposed to start at kindergarten. 285 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: So there's many times he's given us clues and he 286 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: already views them as as dead. And then his body language, 287 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, the he's holding his arms really close, he's 288 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: licking his lips um, and then there's a moment at 289 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: two ways talk about the two am. You know, he's 290 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: shuffling back and forth. There's something that happened right around 291 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: two am because there's an increase of anxiety. And that's 292 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: what I was really honing in on. Guess what, girls, 293 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: mommy has a baby in her belly. Are you guys excited? Yes, 294 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: are you really excited? Oh my goodness, don't give me 295 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: ut Oh I love you, Mela. I like that shirt 296 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: really really of all, So pink means that's just the test, 297 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: just the pink is gonna be girls, I don't know, 298 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: that's awesome. I guess guess when you want to see 299 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: what happens, you are hearing the reveal to the children 300 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: and the husband that Shannan Watts is pregnant with her 301 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: third child. Finally they're going to have a boy. We 302 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: learned that later to be named Nico. You know, the 303 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: children sound a lot happier about it than the husband does. 304 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 1: He just goes awesome, awesome. You know another thing I've learned, 305 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: um she had a very very difficult time, very difficult 306 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: time getting pregnant and maintaining the pregnant seat because of 307 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: her lupus. In the last hours, we learned the defense 308 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: has filed a motion regarding the autopsies of the children. 309 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: It stays the autopsies are scheduled to begin in twenty minutes. 310 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: The ward has asked counsel to not email the court. 311 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: Council has emailed the clerk so she can hopefully let 312 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: the court know about this issue quickly. I've never seen 313 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,959 Speaker 1: anything stated like that in illegal heading. But the gist 314 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: of it, after reading it thoroughly, is that defense speaks 315 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: with a d n A expert that morning who advised 316 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: that the bodies of the two little girls, Bella and Celeste, 317 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: have been hidden in crude oil several days. But the 318 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: expert claims d n A would still be present, which 319 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: I also believe if it's there, it's still present. Richard 320 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: kelan Boom says that he wants evidence from the next 321 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: in E. C. K s the next of the two children. 322 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: They want swabs of the next and they want general 323 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: swabs take and from the entire body, to which I'm 324 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: sure they want to compare the next swabs. We see 325 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: where this is going if you can read between the 326 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: lines of what the defense is saying. They're saying, we've 327 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: got to have evidence of any DNA on the girl's 328 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: next as if somebody else may have strangled them. That 329 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: that tells me the cause of death is going to 330 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: be strangulation. And to the time of death it was Monday, 331 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: because they're claiming that the girls have been under the 332 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: oil for four days unless there was a delay between 333 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: the murderer and putting them into the oil. And they 334 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: claim that they believe all the evidence will be destroyed 335 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: if it's not done right now, Ellen Colaurin, this is 336 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: what's happening right now. UM. The judge has denied that 337 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: request UM for for the DNA samples UM, claiming that 338 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: it's not their position, that's not the court's position to 339 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: tell the medical examiner what DNA samples they need to 340 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: remove the way it's all playing out to cop turn 341 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: private investigator Vincent Hill joining me along with Susan Constantine, 342 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: Ashley Wolcott, and Ellen Colaurin. Vincent, my question is this. 343 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: The mom gets sent from out of town one am. 344 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: The dad says, they have a quote emotional conversation. He 345 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: leaves at five by the time she's supposed to be 346 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: uh speaking to her friends and work. The next morning 347 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: she's it's over, she's gone. So what am I supposed 348 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 1: to believe that sometime between five am and say nine am, 349 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: a mysterious killer comes in the home. There's no robbery, 350 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: nothing's ransacked, and kidnaps and kills the mom and the 351 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: two children. Question to you, Vincent, do you believe the 352 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: children were killed over the weekend when the dad was 353 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: trying to take care of them by himself. Then mommy 354 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: comes home to a murder house and she gets killed too. Well, 355 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: that very well could be, Nancy. I mean, he did 356 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: say himself, they had an emotional discussion. It could have 357 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: been that those kids were already dead at that time. 358 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: We don't want to guess that. We definitely don't want 359 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: to imagine that. But I mean, let's be clear here. 360 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: You know, I always say things can look like heaven 361 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: on the outside to people looking in, but hell on 362 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: the inside. I mean, what's very telling to me, Nancy, 363 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: you touched on it earlier. He goes to the family 364 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: vacation for a week. She stays with her family for 365 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: six weeks. Maybe there was some domestic violence going on 366 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: in this house that we didn't know about, which may 367 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: come out later, But you know, that's the classic sign 368 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: of brainwashed batterer who just goes along with things. And 369 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: we even just heard in the reveal. To me, it 370 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 1: sounds sounded so stage like, oh, yes, we're having a baby, 371 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: ay ay, And the only ones that were excited were 372 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: the little girls. So I think there was so much 373 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: more going on beside the bankruptcy besides her taking these 374 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: trips that we just don't know about yet, Nancy. And again, 375 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: those trips, as you refer to them as hell, you're correct, 376 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: but those were work trips. Those were work trips. And yeah, 377 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: as we say, down South, she put on the dog, 378 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: which which means the dress, the outfits were perfect, The 379 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: trip was perfect. What it is work trips trying to 380 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: enlist other people to work for that health supplement companies 381 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: like am Way. There's absolutely nothing wrong with am Way. 382 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: Their products are perfect. But part of the selling is 383 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: you sell not only the products, but you recruit people 384 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: to work under you, and then they recruit, and then 385 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: they recruit and you. It's like a pyramid. You get 386 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: higher and higher and higher, and every time your subordinates 387 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: your recruits recruits somebody, you get a piece of that, 388 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: and then a piece of their recruits, and so forth 389 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 1: and so on until you're bringing in quite a bit 390 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: of money. So all those is you say trips were 391 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: her at just say, uh Cabo or wherever, and every 392 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: time she was recruiting. All right, So it looks glamorous, 393 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: but it's work, these so called trips. You're saying that 394 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: gender revealed party had been planned for Saturday, but everything 395 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: goes sideways. Just forty eight hours before that, in Frederick, 396 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: which is an upscale suburb north of Denver, this beautiful 397 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: home on the outside and the inside is not a 398 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: happy home with two little girls running around inside. Now 399 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: it is a very somber memorial with people leaving, stuffed 400 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 1: animals piling up outside, flowers, candles, little teddy bears. It's 401 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: it's heart breaking, and it leads me to my next 402 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: question to Ashley Wilcott, Judge lawyer, founder of child crime 403 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: watch dot com. If they had all been killed and 404 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: disposed of at the same time, why were the girls 405 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: the two little girls, Bella and Celeste in submerged in oil. 406 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: We've been told it was to stop the smell of 407 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: the decomposing, and the mom is buried in a different spot, 408 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: in a shallow grave. It leads me to think they 409 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: were their bodies were disposed of at different times, Ashley, 410 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: That's exactly what I thought about. It was the very 411 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: first question I had is why were the two girls 412 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: found in one spot it submerged in the oil, and 413 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: the mother and another mommy has a baby in her belly. 414 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: Are you guys excited? You're hearing the sound of Shannan 415 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: Watts telling her little children Bellos list mommy is going 416 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: to have a baby. The dad says, he comes home 417 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: and nobody is there. Later, their bodies were found in 418 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: one of the areas where daddy's company and a dark 419 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 1: co does drilling. The two little girls, Bello and Celeste, 420 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: bodies found submerged in crude oil, the mom buried in 421 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: his shallow grave. He takes to the air begging for 422 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: their return, while neighbors take Christopher's in when his family 423 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: goes missing. Listen as they talked to our friends at 424 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: nine News. They were always hugging or holding hands or kissing. 425 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: Descriptions like these of christ and Shennan Watts they have. 426 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: They had the perfect family are the only way Nick 427 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: and Amandathay are remember the two together. They were family. 428 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: They spent Thanksgivings with us in fourth of julys and 429 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: all the holidays and how so it was an easy 430 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: decision this week. It's unreal to offer to have Chris 431 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: stay at their home in Thornton. That this kind of 432 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: puts it out there while police searched for Shenan and 433 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: her daughters. Had we had we had any incland nation 434 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: that we we thought he was involved at all, in 435 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: no way when I've let him in my house with 436 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: my wife and kid stup right across the hall from there, 437 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: you are hearing friends of the family, Nick and Amandathay 438 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: are talking to our friend Jordan's Chevez at nine News 439 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: about taking Christopher Watts and when his family quote goes missing. 440 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: We now are looking back what happened. We know the 441 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: couple have financial problems, bankruptcy and two thousand fifteen, and 442 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: even though Shannene frequently posted on Facebook of her new 443 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: lexus um through the company and frequent paid trips she 444 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,719 Speaker 1: got for selling health supplements, they were facing a civil 445 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: suit fifteen hundred bucks from homeowners Association, but that did 446 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: not stop them. They had a five bed, four bathroom 447 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: home four hundred and two thousand thirteen that value soaring 448 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: the mortgage payment around three thousand dollars a month. We 449 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: learned according to bankruptcy records we've obtained what went wrong 450 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: in this happy home. To hear her tell it, you 451 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: never know anything was wrong. Listen, We're not promised tomorrow. 452 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: You know, We're not promised anything but to be able 453 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: to enjoy our children and um every crazy moments, it 454 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: can be super crazy. I'm not gonna lie. My kids 455 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: are are crazy. But I love them and I love 456 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: the fact that I can be there for them a 457 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: lot of you know, my part of my story, UM, 458 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: my health challenges, UM, ad relationships, UM things that could 459 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: have knocked somebody down completely hardcore. UM. But the thing 460 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: is is I believe that everything in life happens for 461 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: a reason, and I also believe people are placed in 462 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: our life for a reason. You are hearing Shenan what 463 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: speaking before her death to Susan Constantine, Deception of body 464 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: language expert, author of The Complete Idiot's Guide to Reading 465 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: Body Language. What do you make of hearing and analyzing 466 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: Nan herself? You know, I when listening to this, and 467 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: what comes to my mind. She is just really a 468 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: hopeless optimist. I mean, she really looks at life through 469 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: rose colored glasses, and I think that she's very naive. 470 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: So when she's looking at the whole big picture, she's 471 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: not really seeing the real truth there. She's kind of 472 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: living in this fantasy world of her truth. These crimes 473 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: occurred in Colorado, and right now, Christopher Watts, the husband, 474 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: do you in court in the next hours? Will prosecutors 475 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: pursue the death penalty against him? Now? Colorado is one 476 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: of twelve states in our Union that do not provide 477 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: for the death penalty of an unborn child. This has 478 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: nothing to do with a woman's decision to have an abortion. 479 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: Whether you like it or you don't like it, that's 480 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: not the issue here. The issue here is when someone 481 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: intentionally murders the mother and kills the child that is 482 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: viable after twelve weeks, a baby is considered viable, in 483 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: other words, can live outside the mother's womb. Now is 484 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: that true? Practically speaking? Not always, But after a certain 485 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: point the court determines, for legal reasons, is the baby 486 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: viable to the point it's considered an individual, a human, 487 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: and if murdered, can be considered a part of a 488 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: homicide investigation and charge. Here Colorado, one of just twelve 489 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: does not provide for a baby's murder being a homicide, 490 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: So currently he is charged with three homicide in three 491 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: tampering with body charges. Colorado is very shy about the 492 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: death penalty. They, to my recollection, have only put one 493 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: person to death after the death penalty was reinstated back 494 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: in about nine seven. But if you're gonna have the 495 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: death penalty, which is a whole another can of worms, 496 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: this is the perfect case for it, Ashley Wilcott. Oh 497 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: my god, it is the perfect case for it, Nancy, 498 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: And so I am very glad to hear, quite frankly, 499 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: that they are even consider to ring it and looking 500 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: at it, because that is the report, is that the 501 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: state is considering the death penalty in this case. I'm 502 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: telling you to strangle the two little girls, Bella and 503 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: Celeste ages three and four lay and wait for mommy 504 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: to come home. They did have an emotional argument where 505 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: the children is probably what that argument was, and then 506 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: she's found dead in a shallow grave. And right now 507 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: the defense filing motions to have the children's next tested 508 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: for a d N A. What does that mean to 509 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: Ellen clare and Crime online dot Com? What do you know, Well, 510 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: the attorneys asking for DNA around the children's next certainly 511 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: indicates that there's a belief here that the that the 512 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: children were strangled. And as you said, there are a 513 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: lot of questions about why the why the mother's body 514 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: was found in a different place than where the where 515 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: the little girls were, and why she was in a 516 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: shallow grave, and why the girls were bodies were much 517 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: much more concealed. But I mean, the trail he leads 518 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: leaves points straight to him, the so called killer dad, 519 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: who we think strangled his two little girls they just 520 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: three and four dead, and his pregnant wife as well, 521 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: is asking the judge for more DNA tests on the 522 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: girls so he can use who many people have claimed 523 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: a discredited DNA expert. You know, that's certainly a matter 524 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: of opinion. Others would argue he's not discredited the expert 525 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: who worked on the job in a Ramsey trial. So 526 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: we're learning more and more and more. We know that 527 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: this Colorado mom had struggled desperately to get pregnant again 528 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: because she suffered from lupus, which makes unlikelihood to get pregnant. 529 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: Lupus and autoimmune disease. She struggled and struggled to have 530 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: that child. They wanted a boy. They already had two girls, 531 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: and that was happening. That was not to be. To 532 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, private investigator, how will they determine or can 533 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: they determine which victim was murdered first. Yeah, Nancy, I 534 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: think that will be pretty easy to determine based on 535 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: the composition of the bodies at the time. I unfortunately 536 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: think that little girls were killed first and that's why 537 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: they were uh buried somewhere else other than the mother. 538 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: But I think it would be pretty easy to determine 539 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: who actually died first, and then investigators can get that 540 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: timeline to you, Susan Constantine. At the very beginning, many 541 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: people believed the dad why I would say, split fifty fifty, 542 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: while others thought that his begging for their safe return 543 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: was shallow. Well all of that, what effect well that 544 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: begging have on a jury because you know it's going 545 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: to be replayed over and over. Well, you know, people 546 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: in general, just the research says that people are about 547 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 1: at best in detecting deception in people, So that doesn't 548 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: surprise me. So there are going to be those that 549 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: are very kind aesthetic that are gonna listen to what 550 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: he's saying and watch those videos and going gosh, she 551 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: seems like a really great guy. He seems very likable 552 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: and approachable. And then there's other ones gonna call you know, 553 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: bs on it. So you know it's going to be 554 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: an equal split just depends on who's gonna end up 555 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: being on that jury. As a matter of fact, if 556 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: you want to see and hear the entire statement given 557 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: by the husband, Christopher Watts, go to crime online dot com. 558 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: A beautiful young mom's body has been found fifteen weeks pregnant. 559 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: Her two little girls, Celeste in Bella, ages three and four, 560 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: found nearby, their body submerged in crude oil. I mean, 561 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: se grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being 562 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: with us. He came home from the airport two am 563 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 1: and I left around five fifteen, she's still here. And 564 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 1: like about twelve ten in that afternoon, her friend the 565 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: Cole showed up at the door. Like I had texted 566 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: at two times that day, called her say you know, 567 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: but she never got back to me. But she wasn't 568 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: get back to any her people as well, And that's 569 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: what really concerned a lot of people's like she's not 570 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: getting back to her Like she doesn't get back to me, 571 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: that's fine, Like she gets busy during the day, like 572 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: she get back through a people, which was very concerning. 573 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: And Nicole called me when she was at the door 574 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: and that's when it came home and then walked in 575 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: the house and nothing has vanished. Nothing was here. I mean, 576 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: she wasn't She wasn't here, the kids weren't here, No 577 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: nobody was here. What's your wife say? S J and 578 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: and and bell and Celeste celest uh c E L 579 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: E s D four bells four, Celestes three and so 580 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 1: how many times you try calling her? I called her 581 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 1: three times, texted her about three times just to say 582 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, what's going on? Like I did. I could 583 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,479 Speaker 1: after that for the after I called her and text 584 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: her once, it's like all right, maybe she was just busy, 585 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: like she had just gotten back, you know, like everybody's 586 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: probably calling her from her trip. She just got back 587 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,720 Speaker 1: from Arizona, and I figured just she was just busy. 588 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: But when her friends showed up, that's what it was like, 589 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: it registered like, all right, this isn't right. I think 590 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: she just took off. Do you think? I mean right now? 591 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: I don't even want to just like throw anything out there, 592 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: like I hope that she's somewhere safe right now and 593 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 1: with the kids. But I mean, could she event because 594 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: she had just taken off, I don't know. But if 595 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: somebody has her and they're not safe, like I want 596 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: them back now like that, that that's what in my head, 597 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,879 Speaker 1: Like if they're safe right now, they're going to come back. 598 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: But if they're not safe right now, that's what that's 599 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 1: the not knowing part, Like if they're not safe. Last 600 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: night I was had every light in the house on. 601 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 1: I was hoping that I would just get just ran 602 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: over by the kids running in the door and just 603 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 1: like barrel rushing me. But it didn't happen, and it 604 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: was just a traumatic night trying to be here. A 605 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: traumatic night. Uh, they're not rushing in Christopher Watts. They've 606 00:37:54,719 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: been soaking in crude oil for several days now, their 607 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 1: mother buried in close proximity in a shallow grave. Yeah, 608 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: they're not coming home. You might as well cut those 609 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: lights off and save the electricity because you're gonna stay 610 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: in jail. The way I see it, you were just 611 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: listening to husband, Christopher Watts, the father of the three children, 612 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: the husband of Shenan Watts. This is what we know. 613 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: Prosecutors now revealing the homicides of moms Shenan Watts, fifteen 614 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: weeks pregnant and her two little girls, Bella and Celeste, 615 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,919 Speaker 1: ages three and four, did occur in the family home. 616 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: How do they know? That? Is their evidence? Suggesting that 617 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: the husband, Christopher Watts, the hero dad you hear the 618 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,720 Speaker 1: little girl singing about, appeared in court for the first time. 619 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: He has to be formally charged in the next hours. 620 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: Under our jurisprudence, Ashley Willcott, the law is that within 621 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: seventy two hours of an arrest, you must be brought 622 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 1: to court and read your charges. Now those charges and 623 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,799 Speaker 1: be upgraded, changed, modified, But you have a court hearing 624 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: within seventy two hours after being arrested. Is that correct? Ashley, 625 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: that is correct, and so they come in and they 626 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: can then say that they're guilty or not, but that 627 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 1: is required under the law period. Once arrested, was held 628 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: in the World County Jail on three charges first degree 629 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: murder three charges of tampering with physical evidence in the 630 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 1: murders of thirty four year old wife Shenan and daughters 631 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: Bella and Celeste, also known as c C. He will 632 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: not be charged for the death of the unborn child, 633 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: baby boy Nico. You know Vincent Hill, private investigator, former cop. 634 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: Everything he says in these statements can be verified or disproved. 635 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: So when he's saying, oh, I called her, and I 636 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: called her, and I called her in I Texa and 637 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: Texa and Texas. We we'll be able to figure that 638 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: out by looking at the records. And if he's lying, 639 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: you clearly see the beginnings of a cover up. Yeah, Nancy, 640 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: I don't think he's lying, because I think he did 641 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: those things because he wanted to be able to say, well, 642 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: why would I do that? As if I knew she 643 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 1: was dead? But I think his statement is very telling 644 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: simply because he says, well, she didn't get back to me. 645 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: I assumed she was busy, but when she didn't get 646 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: back to her people, something was wrong. Wouldn't her people 647 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: know she was busy? And the fact that the friend 648 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 1: went to the house, not assuming she was busy, but 649 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: she went to the house that afternoon, that tells me 650 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: the friend likely knew what was really going on in 651 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: that home and she knew something was wrong with her friend. Well, 652 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: we also know that the friend is the one that 653 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: reports her missing, not the husband. I don't like that 654 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,720 Speaker 1: because you think the husband would know it has been 655 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: reported that reported needs to be confirmed. The family already 656 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 1: had tens of thousands of dollars of credit card debt, 657 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: this after declaring bankruptcy in two thousand fifteen, and that 658 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: Mrs Watts Shenan Watts, suspected her husband was cheating. Well, 659 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: won't that just be the icing on the cake? Ellen 660 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: Colora and Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, what can 661 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: you tell me? Was this guy cheating on his pregnant wife? 662 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: All we know is that she did tell a friend 663 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: that she had some concerns about possible infidelity, and we 664 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: also know that they were spending a lot of time 665 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: apart between all of her work travel and the fact 666 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: that he left a family vacation five weeks early suggests 667 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,800 Speaker 1: that there were may be spending more time apart than together, 668 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: and he possibly had opportunities opportunities. Ellen. You know what, Ellen, 669 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: let me tell you something. You call it an opportunity 670 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: to cheat. Every time I go outside and go jogging, 671 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: there's an opportunity to cheat. Somebody out there will have 672 00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:00,600 Speaker 1: sex with you that could be completely undesirable. Person could 673 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: ruin your life, ruin your family. How does every other 674 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: weekend sound everybody about seeing your children? It sounds like 675 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 1: hell to me. Pick them up on Thursday, bring him 676 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,040 Speaker 1: back on Sunday. Uh, that's not gonna be me. Not 677 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: happening opportunity, Ellen, that's certainly putting perfume on the big 678 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean, when you go out anywhere to work, to 679 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,240 Speaker 1: the gas stage, to the grocery store, you can phos. 680 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: Always somebody that will cheat with you. Yeah, there's always 681 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: somebody to ruin your life, Ashley Willcott, you do a 682 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: family law all the time. An opportunity to cheat? No, 683 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 1: you have to say, I will cheat. I will risk 684 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 1: my children and my husband and my life as I 685 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 1: know it now to cheat for a throwdown. No, No, 686 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: that's a decision you make. It's not like you're applying 687 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: for a job and you have a job opportunity. You 688 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 1: can get that in the meat section at the grocery 689 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 1: store for Pete, say Ashley, Yeah. I think that's what 690 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,320 Speaker 1: people forget is it is a conscious decision, a deliberate, 691 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: intentional action to say, I'm gonna choose to cheat on 692 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: my spouse despite the fact I have a spouse to children, 693 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: a family. It is absolutely a conscious choice. Susan Constantine, 694 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: you have carefully studied every word this guy has uttered. 695 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 1: What more can you tell me? Well, what I can 696 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 1: tell you is that when he talks long enough, he 697 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: eventually hangs himself. That he is leaving out and omitting 698 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,919 Speaker 1: very important information and this is going to come back 699 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,359 Speaker 1: to haunt him in trial. Susan, what do you mean 700 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: what information? Well, he's when he's talking about these little 701 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: time stamps, he's leaving out additional information. He's actually setting 702 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: up specific timelines to us as the viewers or listeners, 703 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: because he's actually mapped out what has happened in his 704 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,359 Speaker 1: own mind, and that's what he's trying to convey. So 705 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 1: around those areas are very specific areas to walk around 706 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,920 Speaker 1: and probe because there's other missing information. He's not revealed 707 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,320 Speaker 1: much of what I'm learning at this hour, I'm learning 708 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: from the defense's own motions. Emotion just filed by Watts's lawyer, 709 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: James Merson asked a DNA swas be taken from the 710 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: two little girls. Next, quoting an expert who believes the 711 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 1: oil would not get rid of the DNA and says 712 00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 1: samples can be obtained quote after strangulation. Now. Also, it 713 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: has just been announced that the World County Corners Office 714 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: performed the autopsies and confirmed the bodies of Shannon Bella 715 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: and Celeste. Police not releasing any information about how they died. 716 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: More testing is planned. But this DNA expert, name Richard 717 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: eikeland Boom is he's the guy that's testified and a 718 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: lot of high profile trials. He often testifies regarding touch 719 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,239 Speaker 1: DNA when very small samples of genetic material have been 720 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: left behind aimed. Now, after Shenan and the daughters are 721 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: reported missing, Watts tells reporters how much he misses them, 722 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: and he wants to tell the girls to eat their supper, 723 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: or he wants to look at them as they curl 724 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,720 Speaker 1: up to watch cartoons on TV. We know this Watts 725 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: as an oil and gas worker, and authorities belief he 726 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 1: dumped his wife and daughter's bodies on his employer and 727 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 1: a Darko's own property. That's where the bodies were found. 728 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 1: He was fired the same day he was arrested. We 729 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 1: know that as well, regarding their money problems, Watts had 730 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: gotten this job about six months earlier as an operator 731 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: for Anna Darko. We believe he was making around sixty dollars. 732 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: Nan was working at a call center to children's hospital, 733 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: making hourly wage eighteen dollars an hour, but then she 734 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: gets his job with a health supplement. We also know 735 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 1: that us they had tens of thousands of dollars of 736 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 1: credit card debt, student loans, medical bills about seventy thousand 737 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 1: dollars on top of their mortgage. We also learned the 738 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 1: defense is asking for the hands and fingernails of the 739 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: girls and the mother to be tested the hands and 740 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 1: the fingernails, which gives us an indication of where the 741 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 1: defense is going. That someone else killed the three and 742 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:39,240 Speaker 1: they struggled and fought. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,