1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: This is the business of sports where in the situation 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: that we haven't dealt with in modern times, pandemic here 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: has really accelerated the investments that we've been advocating for 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: for years. From a Macrow standpoint, I think our sport 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: industry is really forced to look at the business a 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: little bit differently in depth conversations with the leaders in 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: the sports industry. Who wants to be the sacrificial lambs 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: that shows up at the first big major sporting event, 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: were part of something much bigger than the sport right 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: now and the health and saptry of our stakeholders that 11 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: works much important every moment. I think we're all from 12 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: the business respective thinking about the impact that the virus 13 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: is having across the country and Bloomberg Business of Sports 14 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: Radio and I'm Mike Lynch and I'm Michael Barr. Over 15 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: the next hour, we will explore the big money issues 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: in the world of sports and talk to some of 17 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: the biggest players in the industry. And later on we're 18 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: going to talk about the start of the NFL season 19 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: with former New York Giants great a Money Tumor, one 20 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: of the great receivers won a Super Bowl over Mike 21 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: Lynch's Patriots just going to point that out, But first 22 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: let's look at some of the top stories of the week. 23 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: Speaking in the NFL. We're a week out, guys, I 24 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: have to say I'm still skeptical, but the they're rolling 25 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: on here. Lynch, Well, the testing has worked up pretty 26 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: well for them. Of the eight thousand or so tests 27 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: they've they've ran the last time last week in August 28 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: only two positive players and a couple of staff members. 29 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: They sent out some new protocol yesterday that everyone on 30 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: the sideline, head coach, and everybody else is going to 31 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: have to wear a mask. And what I think is 32 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: going to be kind of comical is that the owners 33 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: when they come down in the field are gonna have 34 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: to go through the same protocol. Take the temperature, um, 35 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what else they'll have to do, put 36 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: a mask on. Can you see Jerry Jones brob Craft 37 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: stopping and doing that. Hey, I own this team, I'm 38 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: gonna won't go wherever I want to go. But the 39 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: other thing, too, is the because the coordinator is talking 40 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: through the face masks into the headset to the helmet, 41 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna see a lot of like quarterbacks going run 42 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: that by me again. Run that back again. Yeah, speak up, 43 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: speak up. Um. I mean, I will say, Michael bar that, 44 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: as much as everyone loves other sports baseball, basketball, soccer 45 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: and everything from a money perspective, from a business perspective, 46 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: the NFL is kind of the only thing, I mean 47 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: when it comes to the economics of sports with this 48 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: show is about the business of sports, and so much 49 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: rises and falls. If you're a broadcaster, if you're an advertiser, 50 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: or if you care about sports and the money involved 51 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: on the NFL, let me say the quiet part out loud. 52 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: I've already put my money in for my fantasy football league. 53 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: I've also put my money in for my survivor pools 54 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: and for my pick them leagues. So I it's it's 55 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: and never mind now that the money that's going to 56 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: transpire when you go online and you're gonna have the 57 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: real time betting that's going on, it's I'm telling you, 58 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: it's like the stock market, because as it's going on, 59 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: as the game continues, it's like that's where a lot 60 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: of the betters make their money, right, all right, So 61 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 1: let's stick with betting for a second, because news today 62 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: we're taking this on Thursday morning that the Chicago Cubs 63 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: Wrigley Field gambling? What Lynchy? What? Get your hot dogs here? 64 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,839 Speaker 1: Get your hot dogs, peanuts, peanuts, get your pretzels here. 65 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: Come on, lay down your money on the Cubs today. 66 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: They look good today, they're playing the Padres. I think 67 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: they're a favorite, you know, to make fifty? Can we 68 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: hear the carnival barkers outside Wrigley or with inside regularly? 69 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: It's gonna be kiosks either inside or outside the park. 70 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: Of course they have to go through a couple of 71 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: hurdles in a city council, Illinois Gaming Commission, etcetera, etcetera. 72 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: But they are number one. The Cubs are number one. 73 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: And I think at a time when you used to 74 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 1: whisper and people will be suspended for gambling or even 75 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: being associated with it, it's now going to be actually 76 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: be on the property and in the ballpark. You know, 77 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: we've a long way somehow, Pete Rose is even matter 78 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: than he was before. That's going on right o man, 79 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: so bar you are a resident gambling guy. Uh, it 80 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: feels like a big deal. Hey, k a Heathen. Yes, 81 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: I was thinking of Lynch you and I'm just thinking 82 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: that's like, I'll take the over over here. Yeah, this 83 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: is that's a big deal and it's it's going going 84 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: to be. How long will it take for other ballparks 85 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: to follow suit? And for that matter, how long will 86 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: it take for football stadiums to follow suit? Exactly? Well 87 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: and news also this week, speaking of gambling, I feel 88 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: like we have a theme here Michael Jordan taking a 89 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: stake in DraftKings that is substantial in a lot of ways. 90 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: You know, Jordan really making his name all over again 91 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: as a public figure. We know he likes gambling, so 92 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: him getting involved from an in a financial perspective is big. 93 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: Back to baseball for one second, we should talk about 94 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: the passing of Tom Seaver, really one of the great 95 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: pitchers in history. When he went into the Hall of 96 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: Fame something like of Bouts, it was the highest in 97 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: history at that moment, beloved in many ways, and I 98 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: saw all the covers of the papers, the front pages 99 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: of the New York papers today paying tribute to him. 100 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: I mean, a legend, lynching absolutely and I or slash. 101 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: We were fortunate enough to have him in a Red 102 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: Sox uniform the last season of his career in X, 103 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: and he developed a knee injury in September, so he 104 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: wasn't eligible to pitch in the postseason. And I keep 105 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: thinking back the game number four we had to throw 106 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: l nipper against the Mets, and who knows, maybe the 107 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: ball we wouldn't have gotten to Game six and the 108 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: ball never had gone through Bill Buckner's legs. Who knew. 109 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: Imagine him pitching against the Mets in the World Series, Well, 110 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: that would have been something, it really would have been. 111 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: And as we wrap up, I have to pause for 112 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: a moment around the passing of John Thompson. I am 113 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: a proud Georgetown alum. I was there, uh during his 114 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: uh sort of the middle part, late middle part of 115 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: his coaching time, and notably was there when he very 116 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: controversially brought Alan Iverson onto the team. And I'm sure 117 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: you guys have read and heard all the tributes to 118 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: John Thompson. I feel like, uh, we see John Thompson 119 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: in a whole new light. You think back to the 120 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: things that he was saying, the things that he was 121 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: standing up for starting early in his career at Georgetown, 122 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: the statements that he made not just around Iverson, but 123 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: around to Kimvey Mtumbo, around Alonzo morning Patrick Ewing, the 124 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: statements that he made about young black men and black athletes, 125 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: and the opportunities that should be afforded to him. I 126 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: don't think we will see another like John Thompson. For 127 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: a long time. He always had a saying. He always 128 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: used to say, big Gaye is cool. And I I 129 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: learned that as I was reading about him, Big John, 130 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: he will be missed. Who passed at And we were 131 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: fortunate to have him here again with the Celtics for 132 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: for three or four seasons right here, and he played 133 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: college basketball at Providence and and Patrick Ewing best player 134 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: he ever coach, played right here at Cambridge, Ringe and 135 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: Latin and UH, and he became very I remember I 136 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: went to a press conference and shortly after it was 137 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: learned that Patrick Ewing UH had dyslexia, and John Thompson 138 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: basically put a shield around Patrick Ewing and protected him 139 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 1: and wouldn't let anybody get near him. And and thus 140 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: the saying, you know, jya paranoia started. But I think 141 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: he was very protective and very supportive of his players. 142 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: And UH one of a kind, um, a hall of 143 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: fame person and a hall of fame coach. Up next 144 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: on the show, we speak with New York giants great 145 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: Monti Tumor had a straight ahead on Bloomberg Business of Sports. 146 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: You can follow me on Twitter at Big Bar Sports 147 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: and I'm Mike Lynch. You can follow me on Twitter 148 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: at Lynch w CVV and follow me on Twitter. I'm 149 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: Jason Kelly at Jason Kelly News. We're here every week 150 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: at this time. Catch our Apple podcast on Monday's, Wednesdays 151 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: and Thursdays. You're listening to Bloomberg Business of Sports from 152 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio around the world. Well, thanks so much for 153 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: joining us. We're here each and every week for you 154 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: at the same time, talking to the biggest names in sports. 155 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm Jason Kelly along with Mike Lynch and Michael Barr. 156 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: Today we're so excited to be speaking with New York 157 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: giants great a Money Tumor. He joins us from Denmark, 158 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: where he is writing out this pandemic. I guess I 159 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: would start there a Money How are you and how 160 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: does the world look From where you are? It looks 161 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: like a scary place from me, I don't care where 162 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: you are, but from here it's everything seems is normal 163 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: as normal could be. I mean, you go to movie 164 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: theaters you could go. When I went to a couple 165 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: of I'm using the parks, well my time here. Um, 166 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: it just goes to show like they really took it seriously. 167 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: In the beginning, they overdid it. They shut down everything, 168 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: shut down travel. You know, they do an aggressive track tracing. 169 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: When once somebody gets that, they really go back and 170 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: they track it well. And you know, it's a real 171 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: kind of group effort out here where everybody's pulling, you know, 172 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: doing trying to do the right thing. And if if 173 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: the government says to do something, they do it right away. 174 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: They don't there's no questions, there's no anything. And they 175 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: they've they've really I'm not saying that they've conquered it here, 176 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: but they have it under control because of their aggressive measures. 177 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: If they think, hey, Jason, Mike, here's a question for you. 178 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: Guess which school a Monti tumor went to before he 179 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: played pro a ball. Go ahead from the Detroit guy, 180 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: Go ahead to the I didn't a Big House reference already, Yes, buddy, 181 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: we're everywhere. I bring that up because unfortunately, because of COVID, 182 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: the Big ten is not going to play this season. 183 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: Your thoughts about that, I think that they looked at 184 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: the you know, it's the amount of case that they 185 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: had when we are trying to open and then they 186 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 1: looked at the fact that you know, it affected young 187 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: people in a different way, not not as you know, 188 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: harshly as as older people. But you know, they found 189 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: five of their athletes had UM and flamed, you know, 190 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: as some information around their heart areas. So I think 191 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: that they're going to be everybody's given them stuff now, 192 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: but I think at the end of the day, they're 193 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: going to be the ones that UM that looked good 194 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: and that really had for their priorities straight. I mean, 195 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: college football is important, but I think if one person dies, 196 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: or if one person passed it on, or they spread it, 197 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 1: UM spread this pandemic just just for the sake of 198 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: of normalcy, and that's what the sake of college football. 199 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: I just do not think that that's the right thing 200 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: to do. And I don't understand how some of these 201 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: athletes are doing it, and they're not they're not getting paid. 202 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: I mean they're I mean, I know they're getting their 203 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: scholarship checks and they're getting their education paid for. But 204 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: I would have a hard time, um making the decision 205 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: whether what I would do or not. But I think 206 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: that it's not a good idea in terms of the amount. 207 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: Like the NBA can do things like that, they could 208 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: keep their their their stuff open because you know they're 209 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: in that bubble. How are you gonna keep college kids 210 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: in a bubble? How are you gonna keep college athletes? 211 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: And like some colleges tried to open up. I heard 212 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: Notre Dame tried to open up and then they had 213 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of cases. And it's just it's just 214 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 1: not something to be played with. And I think the 215 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: Big ten is gonna look look like the smart responsible conferences, 216 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: while other ones are gonna look to me like they're 217 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: just in it for. You know, they're just in it 218 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: for you know, the variety of the money and and 219 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: to help with the kids. How the health the kids 220 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: are going to be affected by Amani. This is Mike 221 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: lynch Ump. I'm in Boston, so I'm not going to 222 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: roll out to welcome at like Michael Vardin. I love, 223 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have I know, yes, we know, we're still 224 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how you got the belt prow off. 225 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: David Tyrese helmet so fast before the replay. Uh so 226 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: talking about let's jump to the professionals now with the 227 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: players protocol. UM, so far it's been pretty good. The 228 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: number of positive tests have been very, very low, but 229 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: they're not in a bubble. And knowing players the way 230 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: you know players, are they going to be able to 231 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: control themselves, behave themselves, go home after practice and stay 232 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: away from groups of people that may possibly be infected. 233 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: I really don't see that happening. UM. I know players 234 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: that you know a lot, most of them will think 235 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: about them will, but you have that ten percent of 236 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: every every group of people that are just going to 237 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: try to push the limits. And you know they're young, 238 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: and I remember when I was at age, I thought 239 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: I was in pensible. So I don't really understand. If 240 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: they started a pandemic, a small little outbreak in the NFL, 241 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: it could shut the whole thing down. UM. So I'm optimistic, 242 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: but knowing but being in the locker room and knowing 243 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: that people you know how um you know if you 244 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: want to go out and let off some steam and 245 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to do that, that's gonna be tough. 246 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: It's it's a very stressful job that I can remember, 247 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: and uh, I needed definitely times where you go out 248 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: there and just kind of forget about things, and if 249 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: you're not gonna have that opportunity, it's going to be tough, 250 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: especially for the entire season. It's just so much that 251 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: goes on. I think it's gonna be very tough. I'm hopeful, 252 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: but I think something very very tough and so money. 253 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: I want to go back to something that we were 254 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: talking about as it relates to to college athletes, and 255 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: you brought up something that is has always been important 256 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: and feels especially more important now, which is the debate 257 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: around color athletes and their compensation or lack thereof. We 258 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: have some legislation that may make it possible, seems to 259 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: make it possible to have college athletes get compensated at 260 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: least for their name, image and likeness. What do you 261 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: make of that debate? Having been a very successful college 262 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: and pro athlete, what's the right decision here? Playing college 263 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: sports shouldn't come with any extra rules. I think if 264 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: you if you play college sports, um uh, there's very 265 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: few things in our country where you can have a 266 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: talent and not be able to exploit it and take 267 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: a monetary advantage of it. So I find it curious 268 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: that college athletics there are one of those areas where 269 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: you can't use your likeness, you can't use your you know, 270 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: you retire on weekly. On my team, he when I 271 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: was playing, he wanted to have a draft party and 272 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: you wanted to have a picture of himself at his 273 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: uniform and his draft party. And because he used his 274 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: Michigan uniform, like they ended up. I can't remember they 275 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: had the party, but it was it was a big 276 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: to do just because he wanted to, you know, use 277 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: his uniform for a draft party and in himself in 278 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: that union form. And I just I just thought that 279 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: that was absurd and that I really have a problem 280 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: with college athletics after going through it. And just I 281 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: just remember coach, our coach, Gary Moeller used to get 282 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars from Nike in money money, uh, for 283 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: us to wear Nikes. And I always thought that was 284 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: just ridiculous. You know, we're out there work doing it, 285 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: We're out there wearing these shoes and then like we 286 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: couldn't even tape them. They would let us tape up 287 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: the shoes because Nike wanted to see more. Nike sush 288 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: is so safe tune for more of our conversation with 289 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: New York Times create a Money Tumors that's straight ahead 290 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Business of Sports. I'm Jason Kelly. Find me 291 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jason Kelly News, and I'm Mike Lynch. 292 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: You can follow me at Lynchy w CVB, Hell to 293 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: the VIC, and I Michael Barr on Twitter at Big 294 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: Bar Sports. Download the show to hear even more of 295 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: this interview our extended version catch that wherever you get 296 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: your podcasts. Well, thanks so much for joining us. We're 297 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: here each and every week for you at the same 298 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: time talking to the biggest names in sports. I'm Jason 299 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: Kelly along with Mike Linch and Michael Barr. And let's 300 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: get back to our conversation with New York Giants great 301 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: a money Tumor joining us from Denmark. So I Money, 302 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: I want to take this conversation into maybe a slightly 303 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: uncomfortable territory, but to really, you know, face down something 304 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: that I think we're all reckoning with, which is the 305 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: situation you describe at big colleges is one where you 306 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: have an administration and a structure where a lot of 307 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: the benefit, candidly is going to affluent white folks. And 308 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: that money is being made on the backs of predominantly 309 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: black athletes. I feel like we need to be reckoning 310 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: with that, don't we. Oh I think so. I mean 311 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of how the way it happens. Um, yeah, 312 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: it's it's it's an interesting situation because it does you know, 313 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: if you just close your eyes and um, you know, 314 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: don't look at the circumstances and go back a hundred years, 315 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: you did seem very you know, a hundred two hundred years, 316 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: you can seem like the exact same. It seemed like 317 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: nothing has changed. Um. It's a situation where you know, 318 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: you know, these leagues, um, especially in college, it just 319 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: it just not paying college athletes. I just I just 320 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: don't how, know how that these coaches can make all 321 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 1: this money and not even think twice about it, like 322 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: not even think twice about what they're doing, not how 323 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: how their situation you know, is exploiting a lot of 324 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: times under under um you know year old kids. And 325 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: I find it hard to to to to be to 326 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: be involved in that type of situation. Remember, worked at 327 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: the Big ten Network, and I just it was just weird. 328 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: It was very strange coming from the pros going back 329 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: to college and seeing how kind of repressed a lot 330 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: of these college colleges are. And in terms of you know, 331 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: I tried to go and talk to some of the players, 332 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: couldn't do that. I tried to go and talk to 333 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, get information, you couldn't. I mean, these these 334 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: coaches had everything on lockdown. And I I just thought, man, 335 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: that is the weirdest thing because in the pros every 336 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: thing is a little bit different. Where players have a 337 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: voice and they have you know, a union, we have 338 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: everything to where we can you know, there's recourse. If 339 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: there's something that you don't like, you can speak up 340 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: about it. But in college you just shut up and 341 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: take it. And that's kind of I had a real 342 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: big problem with that when I went back to Big 343 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: ten Network a couple of years ago. Well that brings 344 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: me to the next point is that, in fact, we 345 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: just talked a few interviews ago concerning the now the 346 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: college athlete maybe getting a voice through Twitter. What do 347 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: you think about that? Well, I think it's great. Um, 348 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: I think it's um. I think I remember I've had 349 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: so many conversations when I was in college, and so 350 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: many of you know, UM, so many different situations, and 351 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: if I would have had Twitter or something like that, 352 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: I know it have got myself in trouble, but at 353 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: least I would have got my opinion out there. And 354 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: I just I feel like as an athlete, you for 355 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: the most part, until you get to a certain point, 356 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: you're looked upon as somebody you should just be happier 357 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: here and shut up and play and shut up and 358 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: do it we tell you to do. And in that 359 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: it doesn't rub me the right way, especially like you 360 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: go to college, right, I was that one of the 361 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: finest universities in the country. In the morning, we go, 362 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: we learn about great people, We learned about you know, 363 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: the you know, the cutting edge, you know technologies, the 364 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, the greatest, the biggest and the best, right, 365 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: and then you eat lunch, you put on your football 366 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: uniform and you just be, you know, just be a 367 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: guy sitting there, you know, you know, in line, lockstep 368 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: almost like an army, just kind of like do what 369 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: you're told, seeing it not heard, you know, all those 370 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: types of things. And it was just a weird dichotomy. 371 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: The fact that you know, you're trying to expand your 372 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: mind and get you to a point where you're you know, 373 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: a leader in society, but yet and still once you 374 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: go and play football, you're you're just a crunt and 375 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: you just sit there and take what we give you. 376 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 1: And I will give you a couple of pair of 377 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: shoes and maybe we'll you know, you'll go and eat 378 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: at some nice place. But you know so so you 379 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: should just be hused to shut up and be happy. 380 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: Don't don't don't ask any questions, don't do anything, don't 381 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: rock the boat. Just just go along with everything we say. 382 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: And it's just weird to kind of go through that 383 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: as a college student. I'm sorr an interview you did 384 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: out at the Combine where you've assumed the role as 385 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: a mentor to some of these lague players obviously who 386 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: are going to come into a lot of money very 387 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: very soon. I already have what is your primary message 388 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: to them? I just say, um, yeah, one of the 389 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: main things that I was just trying to tell them 390 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: is like, this is going to be the hardest thing 391 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: you're gonna go through. You've probably never been pushed athletically 392 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: like you're gonna be pushed in the NFL. You've probably 393 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: never been pushed uh, mentally and physically. Um, I always 394 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: tell guys. I was like, you know, you know, because 395 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: you go on a college team and there's a ten guys, 396 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: you know there's a third string, there's a fourth string. 397 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: I said, you know where the third string is in 398 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: the NFL? Well, I said, they're in the bar talking 399 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: about how the how about the coach screwed you over? 400 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: Because there's no third string. Either you're a starter, or 401 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: you're a valued special teams player, or you're off the team. 402 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: And so you can't just go in there as a 403 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: player and just say, oh, well, in three or four years, 404 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: I'll be starting. No, No, you gotta start as soon 405 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: as you possibly can. You've gotta be able to compete 406 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: at the highest level. They gotta trust that you're gonna 407 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: be out there, and it's stressful, especially for a young 408 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: player who's you know, in college where you know they've 409 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: been caught old, they've been you know, your potential. We 410 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: love this, soh you're gonna get there one day. And 411 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: then you get the pros and they're like, look, everybody 412 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: got potential. Everybody got you need to get to point 413 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: B quickly. I don't care if you If you don't, 414 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: we got somebody in the draft next year, that's gonna 415 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: do it. And that type of situation is um it's 416 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: a lot. That's why a lot of players who do 417 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: welling in college all of a sudden go to the 418 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: pros and just can't hack it because mentally they've always 419 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: been the best of the team. And you've got to 420 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: be able to deal with not being the best. You 421 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: gotta be able to deal with you know, maybe you 422 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: might have to work your way up on special teams. 423 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: I know I did. I played. I returned punt for 424 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: three years until I got my feet uh on solid 425 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: footing and learning how to play the wide receiver position. 426 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: I of course things are differently now than they were then. 427 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: I mean now you don't get three years. So it's 428 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: just I just warn them that, you know, I always 429 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: tell people, don't let the draft be the highlight of 430 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: your career, because the draft is just a small step, 431 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: a small success that you're gonna have to keep on. 432 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to keep on climbing. It's it's it's 433 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: it's a never ending thing where you can't just ever 434 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: be happy or never not happy. But you can't ever 435 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: be content with where you are in the NFL, because 436 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: content players usually the ones that don't last very long. 437 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: So always have you always have to be hungry. And 438 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: it's a very hard thing to do mentally, and and 439 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: I just I just tell them what I just try 440 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: to tell them what they're in for. This is not 441 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: it's not college. They're not going to be you know, 442 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be waiting around for you hoping that 443 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna be good one day. Stay tuned for more 444 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: of our conversation with New York giants create a money 445 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: tumor that's straight ahead on Bloomberg Business of Sports. I'm 446 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: Jason Kelly. Find me on Twitter at Jason Kelly News 447 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: and I'm Mike Lynch still bumbing over Super Bowl forty two. 448 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: You can find me at Lynch e w CVB and 449 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm Michael Bar on Twitter at Big Bar Sports. And 450 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: you can download the show to hear even more of 451 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: this interview our extended version. Catch that wherever you get 452 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: your podcasts. Thank you so much for joining us. We're 453 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: here each and every week for you at the same 454 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: time talking to the biggest names in sports. I'm Jason 455 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: Kelly along with Mike Lynch and Michael Barr. Let's get 456 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: back to our conversation with New York Giants great a 457 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: money tumor so money. I have to ask you, you know, 458 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: we're on the eve of a very different NFL season. 459 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: We're all crossing our fingers, and we talked earlier in 460 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: the conversation about what may or may not happen. But 461 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: I want to thread a couple of things together that 462 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: we've been talking about, because you talked about professional players 463 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 1: having more of a voice, certainly versus college players. The 464 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: voice of the NFL player, it feels like has been 465 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 1: fundamentally changed and and here's hoping fundamentally amplified given what 466 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: we've seen in this country over the past few months, 467 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: and obviously so much of it from an NFL perspective 468 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: goes back to Colin Kaepernick and what he started to 469 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: do in As you look at it, as you talked 470 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: to fellow former players and current players, what's the mood 471 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: around player or empowerment? Do players feel more emboldened at 472 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: this moment and what does that look like. I think, 473 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, we talked about earlier Twitter and Instagram and 474 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: all these different outlets to where you can state your opinion. 475 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: I think those games via players voices and they you 476 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: know they eat. Some of these players have a couple 477 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: hundred thousands, um Twitter followers, Instagram followers, and you know, 478 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: they were they have their own following. They come with 479 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: their own following, and it's not based on how well 480 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: they do on the football field. So that changes the 481 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 1: whole dynamic. Like there's some guys that probably are going 482 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 1: to play that much and probably I don't do that much, 483 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: but can make money off the field by just being 484 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: themselves and tweeting and and and putting them putting out 485 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: there and stuff on social media. So that's a whole 486 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: different aspect of things. Uh, and that gives you a voice. 487 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: I think social media has effectively changed everything in the 488 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: sense that you know, you're gonna know more about the 489 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: players than you ever have. And it's a good thing 490 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: in some cases, and it's a bad thing in some cases. 491 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: And um, you know, the NFL tries to make sure 492 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: that the players kind of control what they're doing. But 493 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: you know, these guys are more media savvy than some 494 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: of the um than some of the media personnelity media 495 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: people in you know, in these different teams in the NFL, 496 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: because these guys grew up with these types of this 497 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: with with social media, so it's normal to them. So 498 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's gonna be. It's an interesting situation. 499 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: I think it's a fluid situation that's constantly changing. And 500 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how this whole thing is gonna turn out, 501 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: because you know, this is new a lot of the 502 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of coaches. I talked to 503 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: a lot of players and and players who I played 504 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: with who are now coaches, and they're like, man, these 505 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 1: young kids are different, and they they're just different. They 506 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: don't they don't they don't look at things like we did. 507 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: And you know, how is that going to turn out? 508 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: How is that going to affect the game? How is it? 509 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: How is it long term? I don't know, but I 510 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: think it's a good thing that players finally get an 511 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: opinion out there. I had to go into the media 512 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: after I got done so people could understand kind of 513 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: what I think because usually everything is so uh. Through 514 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: my thirteen years in the NFL, and for in Michigan, 515 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: everything was very calculated. What I say, I couldn't. I 516 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: really had to bite my tongue more often than I'd like. 517 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: So now I think these players are gonna have you. 518 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 1: People are gonna know these players more than just their 519 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: number on their jersey. They're gonna know what kind of 520 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: people these are and people these players are, and it's 521 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: gonna be interesting to see how this whole thing turns out. 522 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: As Jason had mentioned that this is going to be 523 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 1: a strange NFL season, but there's another reason why, because 524 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: many of the games will be played without fans in 525 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: the stands, and what that means is the businesses around 526 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: these facilities are going to suffer. And I know I 527 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: always bring up Detroit, but all of the four major 528 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: pro sports teams they play within a mile of each 529 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: other in Detroit and the businesses they depend on that. 530 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: So I guess it comes down to the point of 531 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: what's going to happen to them and what can we 532 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: do to help them and can they survive anythink. I 533 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: hope they've put a lot of money away. I hope 534 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: they've done a great job, you know, with their business 535 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: in terms of you know, putting stuff away to to 536 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: make sure that you know that rainy day fund This 537 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: is a rainy day. It's gonna be a rainy day 538 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: for a long time. So hopefully they have a businessmile 539 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: that that can withstand this, but a lot of other people, 540 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: to be frank, a lot of these guys aren't going 541 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: to survive. And whose fault is it, I don't know, 542 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: but I just feel that it's a situation where it's unavoidable, 543 00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: it's unexplainable. Um, you know, but don't don't think they're 544 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: gonna I don't. I just don't think they're gonna be 545 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: able to survive. Um. In terms of the players, UM, 546 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: I remember playing in front of empty stands all through 547 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: junior high all through you know, sometimes in high school, 548 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: empty stands is not new to players. I mean, we 549 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: we play most of our practices or nobody's there, so 550 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: it's I think the players are gonna say, it's not 551 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: gonna be any different from the players. Um, when you're 552 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: on the field, you kind of tune all everything else 553 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: out anyway, UM, I think a pumping crowd, noise or whatever, 554 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: just just so the broadcast don't don't sound crazy. But yeah, 555 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be a big deal for 556 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: the players. In the NBA, those guys are competing at 557 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: a high level. Those guys are used to playing in 558 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: gyms by themselves with their buddies. Usually playing in high school, 559 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: you know, where there's nobody there sometimes, So I don't 560 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be that different a you tournament. There's 561 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: nobody in any tournaments I played when I was little, 562 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: and it didn't matter. You know, the competition on the field, 563 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: on the court or field or whatever is going to 564 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: um take care of itself and it's always gonna be 565 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: top quality. When you put another person and another jersey 566 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: on another team trying to stop you from doing what 567 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: you want to do, the competitive nature is going to 568 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: come out. I don't think it's gonna affect it, and 569 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna affect it at all. Maybe 570 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: it's gonna be weird. Maybe it'll affect the referees more 571 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: than anything else, because there's something in the referees where 572 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: they give more calls to home to home crowd for 573 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: some odd reason than when they're on the road to 574 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: the to the way team. So maybe that that's gonna 575 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: be because you know, sometimes these referees they make business decisions, 576 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: make sure that they get out of the stadium. Okay, yeah, 577 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: well I'm a Detroit Lions fan. I don't know exactly 578 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. Mind, and let me ask you this, 579 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: with no preseason games, who is paying a bigger price financially. 580 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: Is that that veteran trying to hang on and make 581 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: an impression for one last paycheck, one last year, or 582 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: that third or fourth round draft pick who's trying to 583 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: make an impression and make the team and doesn't have 584 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: an opportunity to do so in live game situations. Oh, 585 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: this is a that's an age, that's a a question 586 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: that when I was younger, it would have definitely affected 587 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: the the the younger player because back in my day, 588 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: they back in my day, it's not like an old man, 589 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: but it was like you had to prove stuff before 590 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: they gave you anything, you know what I mean. They 591 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: could think what they were going to think about what 592 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: you could possibly be, but unless you showed it on 593 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: the field, they would just kind of discard you. Now 594 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: it's kind of like, well we can get rid of 595 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: this old guy and the young guys more cost effective. 596 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna affect the older player now because 597 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: there's a ceiling on the older player. Most older players 598 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: aren't going to get much better, but the younger players 599 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: have a potential to start, so they're gonna try and 600 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: go for more younger players. And plus, you know, whenever 601 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: you were talking sports, you gotta follow the almighty dollar, 602 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: and younger players are cheaper. Remember my last year or 603 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: I've tried out for the Chiefs. You know, I was 604 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: one of the better receivers on the team, but I 605 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: cost it three my my for for them to keep me, 606 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: they'd have to, you know, make room by cutting two 607 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: other players because because I was more expensive. So that's 608 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: another aspect that it's going to help the younger players 609 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: and hurt the older players because the fact that you 610 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: know they don't there's already a ceiling on the older 611 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: players more more often than not. So Amani. As we 612 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: wrap up this conversation, I do wanna ask you about 613 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: you and sort of you at this moment, and it's 614 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: interesting to hear you talk about sort of finding your 615 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: voice in a way after playing and wanting people to 616 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: sort of know who you are. How do you think 617 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: about that both, you know, sort of presenting yourself to 618 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: the world, but also you're a young guy, uh forty 619 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: five years old, I believe, what does the rest of 620 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: your career look like? And how do you consider what 621 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: you want to be and do in the world. Um, 622 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: I just used all of my experiences in football, um 623 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: to try and help me move forward. I mean, there's 624 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: a I remember I thought, I am football and I 625 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: don't really have money many attributes that can translate over 626 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: into the real world. And then like I had a 627 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: radio show on NBC Sports Radio with Dan Schwartzman and 628 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: and then I got an opportunity to kind of work 629 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: on a team again. And then the experiences that I 630 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: had playing football really translated well in terms of getting 631 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: the group together, getting everybody on the same page, um, 632 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, just motivating the play everybody who I was 633 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: working with, uh, you know, try and get everybody on 634 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: the same page. And that was one of the things 635 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: that I felt like it was very valuable and um. 636 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: And so now I'm trying to I have a couple 637 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: of cannabis companies that I'm trying to to get off 638 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: the ground and help. So that's kind of what I 639 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: do now to try and make try to try to 640 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: keep myself going and keep myself busy. Is um. You know, 641 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: have a couple of investments, and I'm trying to get 642 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: get a couple of licenses all over the country and 643 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: see what I could do in the Canada's game. I 644 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: have to ask the elephant in the room question, Oh, 645 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: we got some football coming up, So give me your 646 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: prediction this season. Who do you think it's going to be? Uh? 647 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: In the Super Bowl? I, you know, being a Michigan guy, 648 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: I have to say, I think it's gonna be Tampa Bay. 649 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna represent the U, the UH, the NFC, yeah, 650 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: the yeah, the NFC and a f C. Oh Man, 651 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: I think it might be Oh, it's gonna be the Chiefs. Yeah, 652 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: they look real like that. I just don't but I 653 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. I don't know about the 654 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: Ravens though. That's gonna be an interesting situation. How are 655 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: they gonna house Lam, are going to come back in 656 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: the second year? And how is that team going to 657 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: react with a couple of changes. But those are the 658 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: three teams I'm really looking at this been in the 659 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: Niners as well. So those are four teams that I 660 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: think they are gonna be in the final four. I'd 661 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: say the Buccaneers, the Niners, the Ravens, and the Chiefs. 662 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: Those are the teams I think you're gonna be when 663 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: it all said and done, it was gonna be the ones. 664 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: You think Kaepernick gets another shot the money. No, I don't, 665 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: and it's a it's a shame that he doesn't. But 666 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: um especially, it's how the how mediocre some of the 667 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: quarterback play has been in the NFL over the last 668 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: couple of years. I mean, there's been some terrible quarterbacks 669 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: that are starting, and teams are just willing willingly, you know, 670 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: getting coaches fired, getting head coaches fired, getting general managers fired, 671 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: just because they don't want to. That's what the thing 672 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: that bothered me about the whole Kaepernick thing is if 673 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: you want to be the best, and if you want 674 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: your team to be the best, you put the best 675 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: people out there. But blow these NFL teams, mostly the 676 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: NFL teams and owners are basically saying, do I want 677 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: to be the best kind of maybe maybe not. I'd 678 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: rather go with this guy, you know what I mean? 679 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: And that that bothers me that we're out there trying, 680 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: like players are out there trying their best. They're doing 681 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: everything they can sacrifice and day in and day out, 682 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: and just because you know they don't agree with somebody politically, 683 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: that they want to affect an entire organization and fire coaches, 684 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: general manager's scouts. There's a lot of people in the 685 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,479 Speaker 1: NFL that are dependent on how well the team does 686 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: um on Sundays. Uh and and the fact that these 687 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: owners are like, don't care, you know, I don't agree 688 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: with this politics, don't care, I'm off my team. That 689 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: just really rubs me the wrong way. And I always 690 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: felt like the NFL was an American talk a meritocracy 691 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: where the best player would play no matter what, And 692 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: now I'm figuring out it's really not. Unfortunately, it is 693 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: amazing too when you think that, just to to go 694 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: on that for one second of money, like to think 695 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,720 Speaker 1: about the ownership across some of the other professional leagues. 696 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: And we talk a lot on this show about what 697 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: you've seen in the NBA versus some of the other 698 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,720 Speaker 1: professional leagues where the owners really have very willingly turned 699 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: it into much more of a player driven league. Do 700 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: you think we'll ultimately see that in the NFL or 701 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: is it just two is too much baked in to 702 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: a more traditional view of owners and players. I think 703 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 1: eventually it will be. I think I think what started 704 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: this change is social media. They have voices. Now you 705 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: can't mute their voices and then if if one of 706 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: these owners says something that goes against you know, that's 707 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: totally outrageous. You know, it may it may not happen now, 708 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: may not happen a couple of years, but these owners 709 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: are gonna start losing certain players are going to be like, 710 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: you know what, I would love to play there, but 711 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: now I can't react with that owner. I mean, it 712 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet, I don't think, but if eventually it will, 713 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: there's you know, players, player empowerment is is coming around 714 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: the corner. It's coming slowest in the NFL, but um, 715 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: but yeah, I think it's it's going to be a 716 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: situation where there's not that many players, not that many 717 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: people in the in the world that can play football well. 718 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: And you know, if you can get somebody like a 719 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: you know that you know that can that can change 720 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,919 Speaker 1: a game or change the fortunes of your organization, are 721 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: you going to say I don't want them, because yeah, 722 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not gonna listen to anything he has to say. 723 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: He just needs to shut up and play where he 724 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 1: has opportunity to go other places. I think it's I 725 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,240 Speaker 1: think it's a situation that it's it's a fluid situation 726 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: that's changing all the time. And um, at the end 727 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: of the day, nobody's gonna go into a stadium and 728 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: watch a whole bunch of owners, you know, count money. 729 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: They're only go there and watch people play football, and 730 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,240 Speaker 1: they want their teams to win. And if the owners 731 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: don't um live up there in the bargain and make 732 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 1: their team as competitive as as possible, why why would 733 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,840 Speaker 1: you be a fan of that team? I mean, I like, 734 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: I love that while watching the New York Giants, not 735 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: only because I played for him, but I know at 736 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: the end of the day, they want to win and 737 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: they do everything they can to win. And if you 738 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: have that, if you have that understanding, then it's an 739 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,919 Speaker 1: easy team to root for. But if there's a team 740 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: that's traditionally been bad and they make stupid decisions based 741 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: on random uh, it's not it's thought out, why would 742 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: you be a fan of that team. They have to 743 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: earn their fans, just like we have to earn our 744 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: you know, we just like players have to earn their 745 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: way on the teams. They have to earn their fans, 746 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: and that's what their end of the bargain, that they 747 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: have to live up too. All right, Well, we've really 748 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: enjoyed this. Thank you so much. A Monti tumor of 749 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 1: course New York Giants, great businessman, broadcaster. Um, very thoughtful guy. 750 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: We really appreciate you spending some time with us today. 751 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: Be well, thank you, I appreciate your time. Alright, So 752 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: really interesting conversation guys. You know, a former player. I 753 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: love talking to them in part because it's a bit 754 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: more unvarnished, right, I mean, he has had some time 755 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,800 Speaker 1: to think, he's had some time to talk to players, 756 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: and especially the things he said about social media really 757 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 1: resonated with me. It's a different era for athletes right now. 758 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: I was thinking, yes, I'm a big University of Michigan fan, 759 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: and yes I saw him play, and then I heard 760 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: uh Amani talk about some of his experiences and what 761 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: he really thought about playing in college, and then I 762 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: realized I'm just the typical fan back in the day 763 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: of watching him uh and really not putting together what 764 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: those college athletes were going through. Yeah, when he mentioned 765 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: that Gary Moehler was getting a half million dollars from 766 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 1: Nike to where that so he wear a jacket and 767 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: the players get to wear Nike shoes and they couldn't 768 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: even put tape over them because they wanted to display 769 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: the swish. And who benefited from that? Gary Mueller, the coach, 770 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,760 Speaker 1: Did the players benefit from that at all? Zero? Yeah, 771 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: it's I feel like we are going to look back. 772 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna look back on as a year 773 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: like none other for many, many reasons. But from the 774 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: perspective of sports, I do think this is an inflection point, 775 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,839 Speaker 1: and I think the the louder and more frequently we 776 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: hear from former players, and as a money pointed out 777 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: current players who just they're they're not going to deal 778 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: with this anymore. And I love the idea of, you know, 779 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: getting back to being a meritocracy, putting the best team 780 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: on the field. Politics notwithstanding, Uh, I don't know. It 781 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: was ultimately a hopeful conversation. Gives me a little bit 782 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,320 Speaker 1: of optimism going forward. It feels better to be a 783 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,439 Speaker 1: number one than number five. I'll wear a number because 784 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: of mine. We have a chance to go for three 785 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: in a row, because numbers in a good time. When 786 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: I first started wearing the number, I would just have 787 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: the floomberg business of sports. The number of the week. 788 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: Oh boy, now this is This is an easy one. 789 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: This I'm telling you this. I hate it when you 790 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: say that, but then it just makes me feel like 791 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,840 Speaker 1: even more of an idiot. I promise you. This is 792 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,760 Speaker 1: an easy one number of the week. If you're playing 793 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,760 Speaker 1: along in home, cover up the password on the screen 794 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 1: so then you can get all the clues. Here we go. 795 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: The net worth of this man is worth two point 796 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: one billion dollars and he is very much in the 797 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: news in the business of sports. Is it the Rock? No, 798 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: but no, it's not a terrible guess. You're on the 799 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: right track, though, on the right track. So we could 800 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 1: either be a wrestler or an actor. So who was 801 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: involved in wrestling or acting or I was all ready 802 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 1: to go with the Kentucky Derby number here and then 803 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: you threw my way off that. Um, I'm gonna pass. 804 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, well, you you went down the wrong 805 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,799 Speaker 1: path when you started thinking about acting or wrestler. Think 806 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: about you know who it is? Is it somebody Lynch? 807 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,440 Speaker 1: You would know from a Boston perspective, Yes, you would. 808 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 1: I've given a big clue. Very much in the news. 809 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 1: It is very much in the news. It is Boston connected. 810 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, John Henry, the owner of the Red 811 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 1: Sox and the Liverpool Football Club. No, sir, okay, you 812 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,879 Speaker 1: want me, you want me to flip all the currents. Yeah, 813 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 1: that's the worth of Michael Jordan's who uh, I was 814 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: gonna say this is related to Draft Kicks exactly. With DraftKings. 815 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 1: He is now an advisory to the company. So uh 816 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: and Draft Kings shares went up when that news came out. 817 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,160 Speaker 1: And as we know, he is a gambler. He is 818 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: a gambler. He is. That's pai. That's a big it's 819 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,800 Speaker 1: a big deal. And not to go off in a tangent, 820 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: but like Last Dance comes out and all of a sudden, 821 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,799 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's like, you know what, I'm going to get 822 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: back into public life now, right. I mean like he's 823 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: become more active from a social justice perspective, He's become 824 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,319 Speaker 1: more active philanthropically. He was right in the middle of 825 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: the discussions between the league and the players in terms 826 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: of the restart after the strike, and now he's making 827 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: a deal for Draftkickings. It's like, m j welcome back 828 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: in a while. All right, that's a good number. You've 829 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: been listening to Bloomberg Businesses, Sports, We're here each and 830 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 1: every week at the same time, plus online wherever you 831 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: get your podcast. Catch those Mondays, Wednesdays and Thursdays. I'm 832 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: Jason Kelly. Find me on Twitter at Jason Kelly News. 833 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: And I'm Michae Lynch still figuring out how Amani Toomer's dad, 834 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 1: who played at Ohio State allowed him to go to Michigan. 835 00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: And you can find me at Lynch WC DV. And 836 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 1: I'm Michael Barr on Twitter at Big Bar Sports. You're 837 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio around 838 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 1: the world. Yeah,