1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to Ron and Nanian The Car Doctor, nationally 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: recognized auto expert trusted by Mechanics, Weekend wrenchers and vehicle 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: owners alike. Ron brings over forty years of hands on 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: experience and deep industry insight to help you understand your vehicle. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Join The Conversation Live every Saturday from two to four 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: pm Eastern by calling eight five to five five six 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. That's eight five to five 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: five six zero ninety nine hundred, your direct line to 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: honest answers and practical advice. Looking for more, visit cardoctorshow 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: dot com for past episodes, repair tips, and Ron's latest insights, 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: and be sure to subscribe to The Car Doctor YouTube 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: channel for exclusive videos, real repair footage and more. Now 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: start your engines. The Car Doctor is in the garage 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: and ready to take your call. 15 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: I thought I would start off today with a little 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: bit of a Christmas story because it's appropriate. Rights It's 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 2: that time of year, and you and I to get 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: other are going to give somebody a great gift. I 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 2: guarantee you, for whatever gift you purchased this year for 20 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: your loved ones, you're gonna really like this one. Probably 21 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: a whole lot more, because it's kind of a funny story. 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: You know, the best gifts are the surprises, right, and 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: surprises are probably one of God's gifts to us as 24 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: human beings that we're always taken from left field, you know, 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: we always look for that sign from the great beyond 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: to say, hey, are you there? And am I doing good? 27 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: Am I doing well? Am I making an impact? Well? 28 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: I've got to start off with a little bit of 29 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: a somber note, because you know, this year, I've sort 30 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 2: of wondered, am I making an impact? Am I doing well? 31 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 2: Am I doing what I'm supposed to be doing here? 32 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: You know, you start to question yourself after a while. 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: Last Sunday it snowed like the Dickens here in New Jersey, 34 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: and we had quite a bit of snow on the ground. 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: And I went out in the plow truck and I started, 36 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: you know, I plowed the house out, I plowed the 37 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: shop out. I ran past Research Kathy's house, I ran 38 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: past doctor Linda's house. Got everybody squared away, and I'm 39 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 2: out driving around and I'm pushing snow, and I start 40 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 2: thinking about some of the things, and I think about 41 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: the radio show and you know, and I think how 42 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: grand it is here I am in this nice big truck, 43 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: and I like driving the plow truck. Right, The plow 44 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 2: truck is a great vehicle to be out, and not 45 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: because it's a plow truck, but you sit up high 46 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: and you can see everything when you're in that plow truck. 47 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: You just you can see out over the roofs of 48 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: the cars, and you know, it's just it's just a 49 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: great ride. And you know, for the kid that didn't 50 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: have a car as a kid until he turned nineteen 51 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: eighteen or nineteen, for me to be out in this vehicle, 52 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 2: it's just, you know, it just makes you love cars 53 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 2: that much more. And I didn't think anything about it. 54 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: I was sitting at a traffic light in Ramsey, New Jersey, 55 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 2: right by the police station if you're local, and this 56 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 2: black Honda pulled up next to me. Now you've got 57 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: to understand, the Honda was low and short, and he 58 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 2: pulled up just a little bit of front of me, 59 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 2: to my left, so he's like ahead of me to 60 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: the left, and I could look into the car and 61 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 2: I could see it's it's it's what I guess is 62 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: the boyfriend and the girlfriend that they could have been married. 63 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: Whatever they were, they were together. And you're looking right 64 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: down in the truck into the Honda from the truck 65 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 2: and I couldn't you know, I could see the whole dashboard, 66 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: and I could see I could see the radio. I 67 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 2: could see what he was listening to. And I'm looking 68 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 2: at it and I'm going, God, that looks familiar. It's 69 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: orange and white and black. Oh my god, he's got 70 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: And I look again, he's listening to the podcast of 71 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: this radio show. So and I was actually I was 72 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: dumbfound that I didn't know what to say. What would 73 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: I have rolled down the window and set At that point, Danny, 74 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: my mechanic, had the best idea, said, too bad. You 75 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: didn't have a T shirt. You could have rolled down 76 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: the window and thrown the T shirt at the kid. 77 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: And you know, that would have been great. But you know, 78 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: it's it's when you least expect it. They're the ants 79 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: in life, right. I guess I'm having an impact. I've 80 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: got younger people. He had to be in his early 81 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: twenties sitting there listening to the radio show. You know, 82 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: what do you do? Roll down the window, Hey, what 83 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: are you doing? You know, the one and only no 84 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: boloniof and imitator never duplicated ronn Andy and the car Doctor. 85 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: So I just now I know he's going to listen 86 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: to the next podcast. I just didn't know where he 87 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: was in the podcast. I couldn't see the details. So 88 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: he may listen to this tomorrow, he may listen to 89 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: this in two weeks. But just rest assured that you 90 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: and I have just given somebody a gift, whether it 91 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 2: be before Christmas or after Christmas. I just hope he's 92 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: not driving when he hears this, because he might run 93 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 2: off the road. That might be really bad. But for 94 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: the young man at the traffic light in Ramsey, New 95 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 2: Jersey with his girlfriend last week after the snowstorm, I 96 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 2: just want to let you know I was the guy 97 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 2: in the white pickup truck that was staring at you, 98 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: dumbfound and not knowing what to say. And trust me, brother, 99 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: for me to be speechless, that takes a lot, that 100 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: really does. That's not me at any situation. I just 101 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: what do you say? The human interaction is the best 102 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: part of this radio show, in the conversations I get 103 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: to have with each and every one of you. By 104 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: the way, The phone number here is always eight five 105 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: five five six zero nine nine zero zero. If you're 106 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: looking to get in, the phones are open right now 107 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 108 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: You know, it's the interaction I have with each and 109 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: every one of you, And I guess it's you know, 110 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: the holidays make life in the shop crazy, busy, crazier 111 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: than other times somewhat. I had a situation yesterday that 112 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: really made me think. Donald came up. I haven't seen 113 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: Donald since twenty eleven. I almost kind of don't remember 114 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: him coming to the shop. I haven't seen him, what 115 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 2: is it almost fifteen years? And he came in. He's 116 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: driving a twenty twelve miles to three and he started 117 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: to you know, we're looking at this and he's got well, 118 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: he doesn't have fault codes. He's got a fault COVID. 119 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: He doesn't know what it is because well, long story short, 120 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: I'm backing into this. He spent eighteen hundred dollars to 121 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: fix this car, and I'm appalled. No diagnostic reports, no 122 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: fault code printouts, no explanations of what was done. Customer 123 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: stage vehicle runs poorly replaced mass airflow sensor map sensor 124 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: air and take boot and sparkplugs. Eighteen hundred dollars dealership. 125 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: And I'm not picking on dealers. I just bought. The 126 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 2: way they did this was kind of you know skiviee. 127 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: I didn't didn't. It didn't make a whole lot of 128 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: sense to me, So he said, And I said, you're 129 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: here now because he said, well, I spent all this 130 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: money and it didn't fix the car. And what you 131 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: mean it didn't fix the car? Well, I spent eighteen 132 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: hundred dollars. The car still does the exact same thing. 133 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: And now they're telling me I need a computer, which 134 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: they're telling me is obsolete. Wow, there's a lot wrong 135 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: with that statement. Right, We're gonna spend eighteen hundred dollars 136 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: on a twelve thirteen year old vehicle and it's it's 137 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: it's obsolete. Like no, come on now, you know in 138 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,239 Speaker 2: a repair shop you're you're trying not to diagnose cars 139 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: at the counter. I always say that, right, you can't 140 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: diagnose at the counter because you'll you'll come up short. 141 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: You can't, I couldn't, possibly you can't. You would. I 142 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: could spend I could literally spend all day just talking 143 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: to people at the counter, without turning a wrench, without 144 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: hooking up a scan tool, without just about their cars 145 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: and their problems. It's it's just it's just that kind 146 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: of a life for me. Come on, let's go outside. 147 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: Look at this car. So I go outside, look at 148 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: this car. It's got a P zero one oh one 149 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: mass airflow sensor port performance circuit issue. And I look 150 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 2: at it and iyeh okay, it's it's definitely got a 151 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: fault in it. And he said, well, they're telling me 152 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: it's a computer. Now, as tempted as I am to 153 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: start looking at things, because the first thing that comes 154 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: to my mind on that car is does it have 155 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: a broken or bad or high resistance ground wire? Because 156 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: they did that that was not an uncommon fault. But 157 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: I want to verify what he's talking about because I'm 158 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 2: also it's about quarter to three, maybe it was three o'clock. 159 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: I've got I got a car. I've got a car. 160 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: I'm trying to get out at four o'clock because it's 161 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: the end of the week. So I go back in 162 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: and I do some checking, and I actually talk to 163 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: my guys at Mazda. I have a very good relationship 164 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: with my mas de parts guys and they look it 165 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: up and they say, yeah, you know what, Ron that computer, 166 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: that engine controller is obsolete. There isn't one in the country. Wow, 167 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: that's kind of staggering. I mean, we didn't have the 168 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: conversation about finding something used. I guess we can always 169 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: go the used route or the remaner route, which you know, 170 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: I don't think any aftermarket remanufacturer actually remands a computer. 171 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: I think they shock tested, vibrate test it, make sure 172 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: it's you know, there's no cracks in the solder joints, 173 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 2: and as best they can, and then ship it out 174 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 2: the door. Because I don't think anybody has the technology 175 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: or the ability to really reman a computer at aftermarket level. 176 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: I think the cost would be too high. And I 177 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: said to Donald, I said, here's the issue. You've got 178 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: a twelve going on thirteen year old car that let's 179 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: assume it needs a computers because you're down to they've 180 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: changed every part related to the circuit. The only thing 181 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: left is we've either got a wiring issue, a ground issue, 182 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: or a bad PCM. You know, if it's a PCM, 183 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: you'd have to find something used and hope that that 184 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: doesn't have the same fault and failure. Because that's the 185 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: other problem with electronics, right they all seem to age 186 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 2: appropriately and do they all seem to fail around that 187 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: same pattern, that same time period. And that's not just cars. 188 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: Here at the radio show. Here in the studio, Tom, 189 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: I've seen Tom change boards and devices and modules. You know, 190 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 2: they're five, six years old, seven years old, Tom, what 191 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 2: are you doing? 192 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 3: Well? 193 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: These typically fail at year seven and we're on year six. 194 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: So he says, let's change it now before we're in 195 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 2: the middle of a broadcast and while you guys get 196 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: to here is so let's you know, let's not do 197 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: that right. And it makes you wonder, you know. I 198 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: sit to my wife at dinner the other night. She said, 199 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: you know, how's it going in the shop. She says, 200 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: I know, you're really busy. I said, yeah, we're really 201 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 2: really busy. I said, I you know, I'm making the 202 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: majority of the people happy, but some people you just 203 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 2: can't make happy. And she said, what are you going 204 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: to do about it? I said, there's not much I 205 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: can do. I think it kind of comes down to, 206 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: you know, I have confidence in what we're doing and 207 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: how we're doing it, and I'm looking at how other 208 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 2: shops are treating their customers. And I proceeded to tell 209 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: the story about you know, the eighteen hundred dollars miles 210 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: of that. Now you can't get parts for it, and 211 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: now you just spent eighteen hundred dollars to not fix 212 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: a vehicle, and you're going to go car shopping, and 213 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: what was the point in all of it? You know, 214 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: no mechanic has a crystal ball. Nobody can see the future. 215 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 2: But I think when you're dealing with an older vehicle 216 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: with higher mileage, and you've got to look at potential 217 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 2: and probability, and I think you're obligated to do a 218 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: little research before you take a customer down a path. 219 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 2: I think that's part of the process because otherwise you 220 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: can end up with eighteen hundred dollars worth of nothing. 221 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 2: And then you start to ask the next question of 222 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: what if you know, what if this goes bad? Or 223 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: what's next? As in what's the next car? Eight five, five, 224 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 2: five six nine nine zero zero. I'm running the inde 225 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: in the car doctor. I'll be back right after this. Now, 226 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 2: far be it from me to be the guy that's 227 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 2: I'm gonna told you so, Okay, I am kind of 228 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: the guy that would be I told you so. Did 229 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: you see the story in the news this week about Ford. 230 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: Ford is dropping They're no longer going to make the 231 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: electric f one fifty the lightning right because they're losing 232 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars a vehicle. Absorb 233 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: that for a minute. They're losing one hundred and twenty 234 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 2: five thousand dollars on every f one to fifty lightning 235 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: that they sell. I'm not saying it's a bad vehicle. 236 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: I'm just saying the whole concept is impractical and unrealistic. 237 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: And then they took a twenty billion dollar hit in 238 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 2: there in overall for the manufacturing. They've got to switch 239 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: the battery plants around, They've got to make all these changes. Now, 240 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 2: wasn't there a radio show now that'll sound too pompous 241 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: and self righteous that if I sat here and said, 242 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: wasn't there a radio show that interviewed a guy about 243 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: two years ago that predicted that this was going to happen? 244 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: Let me think about who that was. In the meantime, 245 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: let me go to Kevin in Massachusetts. 246 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: Kevin, Hey, Ron, how you do it today? 247 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: Good sir, what's going on? 248 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 3: Good, ay Ron, I got a two thousand and five 249 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 3: Chrysler three hundred C right, it's got one hundred and 250 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: twenty two thousand miles on it, and I've talked to 251 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 3: you before about the tone rings in it. Sure, I 252 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 3: was down to Florida, and I'm down to Florida now actually, 253 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 3: but just before I left, it through ay P zero 254 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 3: five twenty, which is the oil. 255 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: Center right, oil pressure circuit fall yep, yep. 256 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: Now the oil in it, it was a little dirty, 257 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 3: maybe down a court. I changed it, hoping that that 258 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 3: would solve the problem. But my oil light started flashing 259 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: at an idol. Okay, So I don't know if it's 260 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 3: the sensor or have you heard common problems with the censer? 261 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 3: And if I do replace it, should I go with 262 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: a stock one or should I go in an aftermarket. 263 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: Sensors are very common. It's a two thousand and five, 264 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: so you may not have the luxury of a decision 265 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: of what you're going to use it. Maybe after market 266 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: only don't think that much of the vehicle that. Don't 267 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: be so impressed with your vehicle, Kevin, that it may 268 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: not happen that way. Do you own a scan tool 269 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: by chance, No, but I have access to one, all right, 270 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 2: I mean you can go. You know the ground wire 271 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 2: at that sensor. It's three wires at the sensor. The 272 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 2: dark blue dark green wire is ground okay, okay. One 273 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 2: of the other wires, and I believe it's the pink 274 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: or the pink yellow, is going to have five vaults. 275 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 2: So what you could do is put your meat on 276 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: the pink yellow and the and the dark blue dark green, 277 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: and you should see five vaults key on. That means 278 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 2: you've got a good ground on the dark blue dark green, 279 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: and you've got five vaults on the on the other 280 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: one right, and then and then move your move your 281 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: positive lead, your red lead to the other wire, which 282 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 2: I believe is purple, right, but it's the only one left, 283 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 2: and you should see five vaults there as well. 284 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: Okay, all right. 285 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 2: If it does that, then your circuit check is good. 286 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: If you want to hook a scan tool up, leave 287 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: the leave the lead for the sensor unplugged, okay, and 288 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 2: and jump from the violet right to the ground to 289 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: the dark blue dark green okay. And you should read 290 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: zero vaults on a scan tool, okay, all right. And 291 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: if that's the case, then you've you've circuit tested it, 292 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: and then at that point I would you know, put 293 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: a sensor in it. 294 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: Okay, sounds good, you. 295 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: Know, very common, very common back in the day. All right, sir, And. 296 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: This is this is also Kevin went the seventy two 297 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 3: dart that I talked to you about. 298 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: Oh sure, did you ever finished that car? 299 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she's she's running good. She's in the garage 300 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 3: up on the box right now. 301 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: So why is it is it? Is it coldon Massachusetts? 302 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: Why is Kevin in Florida? Right? 303 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I bring momb down for the winter. 304 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a good egg. Did you did you get 305 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: the car out at all before the cold weather came? Yeah? 306 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? 307 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: Cool and running really good. 308 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: Actually, let's see if you get home from Florida though 309 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: this time? So are you are you driving all the 310 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: way home? 311 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 4: Yeah? 312 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: I've been my twenty three ram though, Okay, got it. 313 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: That's as stupid running. 314 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: So where's the five Chrysler at home? 315 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: That's back in Massachusetts yet? Right just before, just before 316 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 3: I left it through the code, So looking into it. 317 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: So so you're a mopar guy, yes, right, okay, I 318 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: just you know it's funny, right you can tell well. 319 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: Growing up, growing up, my dad said, you can only 320 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: park mo bars in the driveway if you drive anything 321 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: else that goes out on. 322 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: The street, isn't you know? And you know that's something 323 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: let's look at that for a quick second, right, that's 324 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: something the American car companies I think have forgotten all right. 325 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: When dad drove a Chevrolet, the kids drove a Chevrolet. 326 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: When dad drove a Plymouth, the kids drove a Plymouth, 327 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: and then they became customers for life, so it sort 328 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: of passed over this generation. I'm seeing a lot of 329 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: this current generation of young drivers. They're all driving Toyotas 330 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: and Hondas. 331 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: Because dad didn't drive Antari right video game. 332 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 2: Right, right, and and you know, and listen, the the 333 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: Japanese car companies are kind of losing their way. To 334 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: article out yesterday and I said this to my wife, 335 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: I said, I can't believe I just discovered that you 336 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: cannot buy a four cylinder gas engine Toyota Camra. It 337 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: doesn't exists. It's a four cylinder hybrid. And they just 338 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: came out yesterday with notice that there's problems with the 339 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: four cylinder Toyota hybrid camera engines and now they're gonna 340 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 2: find out they can't make those right. I don't know 341 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: what's the world coming to. Oh for the days of 342 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: a two eighty three and a two barrel and an impalla. Uh, 343 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: just bone stock reliability. I'm running any in the car, Doctor, 344 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: I'll be back. Don't go anywhere, hel run, We'll keep 345 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 2: you right by the way. I guess this is our 346 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: should point this out. This is our last show of 347 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: the year, because next week is the Christmas Show, which 348 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: will be a best of only because Tom and I 349 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: are counting on we won't get back from the North 350 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: Pole in time. Tom doesn't know it yet, but I'm 351 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: taking him with me because I've got so much electronics 352 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: in Santa's sleigh this year that I need. I need 353 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 2: a second electrical eye to look at it. Tom, by 354 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 2: the way, don't don't making me an inventory the fuses 355 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: I need, and I'll make sure I don't know Tom, 356 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: no fuses everything is. I'll explain it to you how 357 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 2: the sligh works. The slave doesn't run on fuses. Tom, 358 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 2: that's so old school. So oh boy, but oh boy, 359 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: just don't make any plans for Wednesday night this week coming. 360 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 2: But we are going to get lots of hot cocoa 361 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: and car doctor cups available at cardoctorshow dot com. But anyway, 362 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 2: let's go go over to Gary and make sure get 363 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 2: this get these in so next week. But next week 364 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: is going to be a best of So don't be disappointed. 365 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 2: We're picking out some great shows for you from this 366 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 2: past year and beyond Gary. Trying to get some housekeeping 367 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 2: out of the way. Yes, sir, how can I help 368 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: you up there in New Hampshire? 369 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 4: Yes, sir, thank you for taking my call. 370 00:18:58,960 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 2: You're welcome. What's going on? 371 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 4: I have a twenty nineteen fifty three thousand miles and 372 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out what is the what intervals 373 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 4: to change the CVT fluid. 374 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: At You're right in the sweet spot, kiddo. 375 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 376 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 4: And I took it to a transmission shop and they 377 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 4: said no sort of thing. They said it takes two 378 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 4: filters plus the fluid four to five hundred dollars. He said, 379 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 4: one of the filters is so expensive because they have 380 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 4: to go to Honda for it. They can't get it 381 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 4: anywhere else. Then I took it to the dealer who 382 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 4: said they don't change any filters, and took it to 383 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 4: an independent shop Toben the same thing. So I don't 384 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 4: know what to believe. 385 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: I don't change the filters I have yet. Let me 386 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: say it like this, I have yet to change filters 387 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 2: on the CVTs. Okay, I have not seen them readily accessible, 388 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: easy to get to need for replacement. And my rationale 389 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 2: is everything I've read about cvets is when they start 390 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: to disintegrate internally. When when when the internal rubber pieces 391 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: come apart, They come apart once once they start the 392 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: flake brother, it's it's like driving down a It's like 393 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: driving downhill on a road paved with ice. It's a 394 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 2: quick descent, it's just right to the bottom. So it's 395 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 2: it's changed the fluid and the hope that you don't 396 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: have that experience and you know, hope for the best. 397 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 2: Now that's a fifty to sixty thousand mile fluid interval, 398 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 2: I will I will say this. There are some Hondas 399 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: that and that fluid is generally green. I believe that's 400 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 2: three hundred this three or nine four ineos which we 401 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 2: have at the shop. It's traditional CVT fluid. And then 402 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: there is a then there's a and I don't understand 403 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: why Honda does this but Toyota does it too. There 404 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 2: is a CVET version of that transmission that takes red fluid. 405 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: Now it's so it gets kind of confusing. I you know, 406 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever worked on cars, but 407 00:20:55,359 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 2: you know traditional automatic transmissions take what red fluid? Oh, 408 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 2: you take red fluid out of the CVT. If you 409 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 2: haven't researched it and verified part number, you're gonna you're 410 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: gonna feel awful foolish because you're gonna put the You're 411 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: gonna put the wrong fluid. And it's always verified fluid 412 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: always right. 413 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 4: Funny stick is the bonus manual, and bull Face says, 414 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 4: if you use anything other than the Honda fluid, you 415 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 4: will ruin the transmission. 416 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: Right, because they're they're concerned now, uh company by the 417 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 2: name of Ineos, which I believe is the same thing 418 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 2: as I Demetsu. All right, they they probably are the 419 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: manufacturers of Honda Transfluid and Toyota Transfluid and so on. 420 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: So as long as it is a specifically rated for 421 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 2: that application for that vehicle, I don't think there's a problem. 422 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: I don't see a problem. I haven't had a problem, 423 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: all right, it's just verifying which fluid you have that 424 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 2: seems to be the issue. And there was actually a Toyota. 425 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of what cart was. I think 426 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: it was a Corolla with a CVT where we took 427 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 2: green fluid out and there was a bulletin update to 428 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: put red fluid in. So, yeah, we read that one 429 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: three times. Are we sure this is right? And we 430 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: went round and round with our Toyota dealer and they 431 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 2: were a little confused too, and I actually got the parts. 432 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: Got to admit to me, I don't think I've ever 433 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: seen this. 434 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 4: Well, think about the Hondas. I don't like is they've 435 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 4: got that maintenance minder and they don't tell you when 436 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 4: you know you have to change fluid. It just it 437 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 4: pops up a code in the dash and you have 438 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 4: to waite back to happen. 439 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: Well, that's because that's because Hondas never break. There's there's 440 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 2: a little bit of Christmas magic there that just comes 441 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 2: along and takes it away. It's it's it's it's just 442 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 2: the unreality of what they expect. I think everything takes 443 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 2: maintenance and they don't understand that. But yeah, you're right, 444 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 2: I love it. Customer comes in, I need an A 445 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 2: thirteen or a B one service or a you know, 446 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: they don't want to speak I don't think manufacturers want 447 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: to speak clear cut English because the more complicated they 448 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 2: may get, look, the less likely people are to go anywhere. 449 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: But the dealer. I'm not saying anything against dealers. I 450 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 2: think there's some very good repair shop dealers out there, 451 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: and I think there's some very bad independent shops. I 452 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: think repair shops are only as good as the people 453 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 2: in them. But I think a lot of what you, 454 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 2: as the consumers see for taking care of your vehicle 455 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: is a lot of marketing, and I think that's that's 456 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: their perspective, you know, and how they approach it. So 457 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 2: but yeah, by all means, now's the time, all right? 458 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 2: And keep in mind at sixty thousand miles, if this 459 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: is an all wheel drive fit, is this an all 460 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: wheel drive fit? I think now the front wheel drive fit? Yeah, 461 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: they did they make an all wheel drive fit. I 462 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: thought they did. 463 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 4: I don't believe so not t I'm. 464 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 2: Aware of all right. Well, what I was going to 465 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: say was, don't forget the other fluids in the drive 466 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 2: train either or whatever's there. And you know the vehicle's 467 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: coming up on well, four or five years old if 468 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 2: you haven't break fluid flush right, Yeah, I've done it, okay, 469 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 2: and you know, I know Honda. I think Honda's going 470 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 2: to say five years on coolant or maybe a little longer. 471 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've done that. Yeah, I'm sorry. It gets to 472 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 4: use a BG system that they do in exchange on it. 473 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 3: Yep. 474 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, good, good, good good good. So yeah, just just 475 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: I just don't want to highlight only trans fluids as 476 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: the only fluid to do at this particular point. We 477 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 2: kind of focus on that. But and I'm sure you 478 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 2: put a battery in it right by now, Gary, Yes, 479 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 2: I yeah, okay, yeah, Group fifty one batteries the most 480 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 2: common failures. So all right, hey kiddo, you're good. I 481 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 2: appreciate the call. You're very welcome. You take good care. 482 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 2: I'm running ding in the car doctor eight five five 483 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: five six out nine nine zero zero. We'll be back 484 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: right after this. Oh boy, wait on, I get Tom 485 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 2: in that sleigh. I'll show them what barrel rolls are 486 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 2: all about. Remember, wear your seatbelt when you're in a 487 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 2: Santa Sleigh. Trust me, I know. Let's go to Tom 488 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: and Arizona three view with the saber Tom, what's going on? 489 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 5: Hi, thanks for taking my call. 490 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 3: Starting issues. 491 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 5: Had a couple of questions regarding that. So one the 492 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 5: owner's manuel says, Hey, just turn the key to start 493 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 5: and it should start. Sometimes I have to step on 494 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 5: the accelerator at pedal, so besides letting the air and 495 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 5: does that actually increase fuel delivery? 496 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 2: No, doesn't do a thing. As a matter of fact, 497 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 2: if you if you push that pedal all the way 498 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: to the floor, you will put that vehicle in what 499 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: we traditionally called clear flood mode. You will shut off 500 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: the injectors. So if you ever think you've flooded the vehicle, 501 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: you would push your foot to the floor traditionally the 502 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: way you would do it if it was a carbureted 503 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 2: vehicle to clear it out. 504 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 5: But I'm actually I'm actually turning off the field when 505 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 5: I step on the well. 506 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 2: Depending depending on how far down you're you're you're pushing it. Yeah, 507 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 2: if you go all the way to the floor, you're 508 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 2: actually shutting the injectors off. Are you going? Are you 509 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 2: going all the way to the floor? 510 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 5: No, I say halfway. All right, I'm putting more. It's 511 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 5: pretty more error. 512 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're you're you're doing nothing, but it works. 513 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 2: So let's talk about this a second. When it does start, 514 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: is there a little bit of a rough vidle and 515 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 2: a chuggle? And do you see any smoke out the tailpipe? 516 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 5: No? Smoke, rough idle? 517 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but but it runs rougher No. 518 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 5: No, it starts sometimes I don't need Sometimes I don't 519 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 5: need to do that, like first in the morning, I 520 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 5: don't think I need to do that. Maybe that's because 521 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 5: the gas has got drained back. 522 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: Or it's well, maybe because we're at a different temperature. Right, Yeah, 523 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: it's not a hot start, so you know, is this 524 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: a hot restart issue on a consistent basis? 525 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 3: Intermittent? 526 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 2: Okay, so it's right. 527 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 5: So my other question is this seems to help if 528 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 5: I turn the key on but not start for leave 529 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 5: it there for five seconds and then it'll start up. 530 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 5: Doesn't that that actually that creates more fuel volume? 531 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: Right, Well, it could prime the rail, but it won't 532 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: do it on a repetitive basis. So many turns of 533 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 2: the key, the car is going to be smart enough 534 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 2: to go, hey, he's you know, what if he's overloading 535 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 2: the what if he's overloading the system? We don't want 536 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: to do that. So it will not cycle, and that's 537 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: computer programming. It will not cycle with pump. Let's let's 538 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: let's do this. Okay. So you go to start and 539 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 2: it doesn't start. You do whatever you're doing with the 540 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 2: gas pedal, your futs around with it. Isn't Is this 541 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 2: the car we talked about a couple of years ago, Tom, 542 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 2: because I know we've talked about this. Is this the 543 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: car you put the fuel pressure regulator in? 544 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 5: Yes, I went, I finally put an AC delco right 545 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 5: and count, I mean, I mean finally got to the 546 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 5: problem where it went started all right. It turned out 547 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 5: to be a fuel pump. And I've been going through 548 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 5: a lot of fuel pumps, so I'm wondering if I 549 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 5: have a voltage issue at the fuel pump, a fuel 550 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 5: filter or leaky fuel injectors. 551 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that A and I. I've seen cars 552 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: with ninety eight percent clogged fuel filters. I can't. I 553 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: can barely blow through them and the car starts. The 554 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 2: car starts and runs fine. 555 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I think because I've changed it before, 556 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 5: so I don't. 557 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: I don't think you're there. You know, weird things with 558 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: fuel filters that that's the metal canister filter mounted on 559 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: the frame rail. Yeah, you know, the if it's if 560 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 2: it's a cheapy filter, I've seen the glue breakdown and 561 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 2: the filter rolls around and it clogs. It turns itself 562 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: and clogs the hole and it takes a moment of 563 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: jarring for it to come back. You know, weird things 564 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 2: like that. But other than that, filters either a go 565 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 2: no go, and it's got to be so clogged so 566 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 2: and in fact, the worst thing a clog filter does 567 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: is it puts so much pressure on the pump you 568 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 2: cause early pump failure. So, you know, do we have 569 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: a fuel pressure issue here? We could Nwe doesn't mean good. 570 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 2: You know, a new replacement pump on a twenty thirty 571 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: team twenty four year old vehicle. How how long was 572 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: that pump sitting on the shelf. I would want to 573 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: I would run or run. I would want to run 574 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: a pump test. And then does it hold residual pressure 575 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: for twenty minutes? It should, you know, fifteen to twenty minutes. 576 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: It should hold some kind of residual. 577 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 5: When I put it in. I did that and work, 578 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 5: and then I didn't have any issues. Right, they're Delphi 579 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 5: pump so I go to ac Delco. 580 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're probably at this point that vehicle is old enough. 581 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: They're probably all being made in the same plant. Whatever's left, right, 582 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: because they're not tooled up. They're not tooling up to 583 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 2: work on that vehicle anymore. Why don't we go back 584 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 2: to remember did we talk about when we were zeroing 585 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 2: in on the fuel pressure regulator about putting the clear 586 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: piece of plastic hods in the vacuum line. Wow, okay, 587 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 2: this has a vacuum line going to the pressure regulator, 588 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 2: doesn't it. Yeah, okay, put a clear piece. Now you're 589 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: gonna have to get something rated for gasoline, all right, right, 590 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 2: but go find a clear plastic hose, put that on 591 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 2: the fuel pressure regulator, and then t the other end 592 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 2: into the vacuum line. All right, Now, when it goes 593 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 2: into this hard start, no start, long crank, whatever it's doing, 594 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: just just for giggles, make sure there's no fuel in 595 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 2: the vacuum line. 596 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 5: So basically, with the vacuum line going to the regulator, 597 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 5: you want me to make it clear, right, I want. 598 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 2: You to make it clear so I can see if 599 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 2: there's any fuel present. 600 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 5: Because if you mean te off clearer and a dead 601 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 5: end on the in the clear tube. 602 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 2: Well, in other words, I just want you to extend 603 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 2: the vacuum line with a piece of clear clear line 604 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 2: in it, so the vacuum is still going to apply 605 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: to the regulator. But if, but if, if the diaphragm, 606 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: if the fuel pressure regulator is seeping fuel, it's gonna 607 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: it's gonna fill that clear hose And where's that where's 608 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 2: that extra fuel gonna go? Tom, it's gonna get pulled 609 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: into the vehicle and do what? Flood it out? And 610 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: what do you what are you gonna do to clear 611 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 2: out of flood? You're gonna open up the throttle plate 612 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 2: and put more air in it? 613 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'll do that. 614 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 4: Right. 615 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 5: You know, I disconnect to the vacuum line and I 616 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 5: don't see any fuel. 617 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: There, and you may not. And it could be intermittent 618 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 2: and it may not listen. It may not be the problem. 619 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: But what are we doing? Tell me what's good. I'll 620 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 2: tell you what's bad. Right, We're eliminating something. 621 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 5: So if there's suel in that line, does that mean 622 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 5: it's a pressure regulator? 623 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 4: Yep. 624 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: If there's fuel in that vacuum line, that fuel pressure 625 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 2: regulator's bad. 626 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 5: So it's leaking fuel, right. 627 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 2: It's it's seeping fuel through a porous diaphragm. Yeah, I 628 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: doubt that I do too. But you know what, if 629 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 2: I keep looking, If I only keep looking for what's bad, 630 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: it's gonna take longer. I gotta run, kiddo, I'm up 631 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: against the clock. Do that call me back. You know 632 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 2: where to find me A five five five six o 633 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: nine nine zero zero running aiding of the car doctor 634 00:31:46,080 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: coming back right after this. By the way, Tom, I 635 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 2: didn't want to tell you, but when we get to 636 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: the north pole, you're going to get the seat on 637 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 2: the outside right, your closest to the exit door. So 638 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 2: make sure you bring plenty of warm clothing too, because 639 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: you're going to be cold besides wearing a seatbelt lovely. 640 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: You know how much I love cold weather. 641 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's great. So and don't sit directly behind 642 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 2: the rein deer. Let's do this letter from Steven twenty sixteen, 643 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: Ford Edge just putting new tires on it A new 644 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 2: tire pressure valve stems with the correct procedure for sinking 645 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 2: the tire pressures sensors with the on board computer. I 646 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 2: found three different ones on the web and frankly, don't 647 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: want to waste my time in the cold. Try and 648 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: each one until I hit the right one. Great show 649 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: listen every Saturday. Thanks Steven Delaware. Well Steve is out 650 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 2: there listening now. The best way to do it is 651 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 2: with a tire pressure scan tool, which makes life so easy, right, 652 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: but I'm assuming you don't have that, So there is 653 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 2: a way to do training mode on that particular car 654 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 2: without a scan tool. You're going to know it if 655 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: you're in correct procedure because the horn is going to 656 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 2: sound once and the tire pressure light's going to flash 657 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 2: to show you that training mode is been entered. You 658 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: would go ignition off. You're going to press and release 659 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: the brake pedal using the start stop switch. You're going 660 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: to turn it off to run, off, to run, off 661 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 2: to run three times, ending in the run position. It'll 662 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 2: say train left front. Then you're going to do it again, 663 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 2: train right front and so on and work your way 664 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 2: around the car and then you're gonna, you know, get 665 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: out of programming at the last one. Off off on, off, on, off, on, 666 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 2: ending in the run position and that should close out training. 667 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 2: So just it's it's, it's, it's it's a pain in 668 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 2: the butt. I've had to do it. I actually had 669 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 2: to do it once on a Ford product because the 670 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 2: tire pressure tool didn't have correct software in it and 671 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: they hadn't updated it. It was and every once in 672 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 2: a while that's another problem being an audit repair, that 673 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 2: you just don't have the most advanced software technology that 674 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 2: you might need. And I think we've got four different 675 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 2: tire pressure tools in the shop at last count, so 676 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 2: we're we're talking about it the other day that they're 677 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 2: fast becoming a commodity and something you throw away after 678 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 2: a couple of years. But anyway, do that, Steven, that 679 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 2: should work for you. If not, give me a call, 680 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 2: I'm running eny in the car doctor, reminding you til 681 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 2: the next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 682 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 4: See y hey the car doctor. 683 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 2: Carr advice to Ray