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Speaker 1: First of all, appreciate your coach coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: You know this big You are second coach we had on.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, Tyler was on.

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Speaker 3: Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: But I mean now I feel like I'm in the NBA.

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Speaker 4: If you're on the Knuckleheads podcast, now you made it.

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Speaker 4: Until then, you just on the outside.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll appreciate you coming on the show. This

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Speaker 1: is a two part question. When you first got to college,

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Speaker 1: who was the first person to bust your ass? And

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Speaker 1: strategy wise, when you first start head coaching in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: who was the coach to bust your ass the first coach.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've certainly had my ass busted many times.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I was a Division three player, all right. So when

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Speaker 4: I was playing in college, I remember we had a

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Speaker 4: I was only a freshman and we had a flu

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Speaker 4: outbreak on campus and we go down and play a

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Speaker 4: Division two team, Hartwick College, and they had this division

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Speaker 4: to all American Dana Garris, you know, and I said, man, shit,

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Speaker 4: I want to guard him, you know all this, And

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Speaker 4: like dude had like forty two, like twenty eight minutes,

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Speaker 4: and I mean I was killing myself. Like he tried

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Speaker 4: to stop it. Just absolutely crushed me. I said, man,

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Speaker 4: I better start working on his coaching stuff. He could

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Speaker 4: have been whatever he wanted against me. He was posting

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Speaker 4: me up, eating me off the drivel.

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Speaker 2: But we only have.

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Speaker 4: Five guys, so it's not like you know, sub I mean,

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Speaker 4: we had one of those five million games like I

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Speaker 4: did that when you guys were sick, you going forty

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Speaker 4: minutes and.

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Speaker 2: Just getting worn out.

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Speaker 3: Break.

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Speaker 4: So but as far as like coming into the league,

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Speaker 4: like I think one of the things that helps you

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Speaker 4: stuff where you don't have an answer and now you

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Speaker 4: got to go back to the drawing board and go

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Speaker 4: to it. And I don't really remember as much the

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Speaker 4: first year, but the second year as a head coach,

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Speaker 4: when we had Shack and you Donnas was our starting

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Speaker 4: power forward and at that time u d hadn't become

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Speaker 4: like a real good mid range shooter yet, so people

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Speaker 4: used to try to front and back Shack so you

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Speaker 4: couldn't get him the ball, and the ball would come

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Speaker 4: to Eudonnas at the top, and yeah, you encourage him

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Speaker 4: to take the shot, but your whole offense just became

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Speaker 4: Eudonna's taking mid range jumpers, right, So you had to

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Speaker 4: find out other answers and we would see that all

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Speaker 4: the time and had to get into movement and stuff

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Speaker 4: where we could get shack on the backside and things

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Speaker 4: like that.

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Speaker 2: But you get it.

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Speaker 4: I mean literally every year all the time, like somebody

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Speaker 4: runs into something where you're like, I got my ass

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Speaker 4: kicked tonight. I mean as a coach, and you got

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Speaker 4: to rethink what you're doing.

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Speaker 5: Yo, yo yo. We live on location.

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Speaker 6: We live in Orlando, Florida City, beautiful.

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Speaker 5: We had to do that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we got one of my favorite coaches all time,

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Speaker 6: my main man, Mr stan Van Gandhi.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate you, coach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as being a coach, Like I know, I'll be

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Speaker 1: telling my friends and other people, like when I watch basketball,

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Speaker 1: I might not watch it the way you watch it.

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Speaker 1: Like as soon as I instantly see the screen, I

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Speaker 1: instantly start thinking about what that team doing, what they're

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Speaker 1: taking away, the strategies of everything. So when you watch

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Speaker 1: basketball now, you can't watch it like a regular fan

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Speaker 1: or person. So every time now that you watch basketball,

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Speaker 1: you instantly start strategizing and instantly goes in your head

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Like you know, Like, I'm a big baseball fan,

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Speaker 4: But basketball I always start thinking about, like what could.

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Speaker 2: You do against that?

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Speaker 4: What are your options offensively or defensively?

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Speaker 5: X and O?

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Speaker 4: They should do this, and they should do that, or

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Speaker 4: they should at least have the option.

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Speaker 5: Of doing that. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't think you ever lose that. I think it's

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Speaker 4: I grew up My dad coached for forty two years,

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Speaker 4: So you just sort of grow up with that's your mentality.

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Speaker 2: That's the way you approach the game.

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Speaker 4: From an X and O standpoint more than from a

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Speaker 2: How to teach players. You know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 4: And like the guy who helped me a lot, he

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Speaker 4: understand pick and roll basketball from a point guard's mentality,

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Speaker 4: you know, like this is what he's looking for, and

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Speaker 4: like the X and O part. I mean, I had

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Speaker 4: but that was relatively easy for me to learn. But

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Speaker 4: teach him what his looks are? I had to learn

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Speaker 4: that from players. And I don't think people think about

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Speaker 4: learning from coaches, but when you get to this level,

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Speaker 4: coaches are learning at least as much, if not more,

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Speaker 4: from players, especially veteran guys, because you, guys know you

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Speaker 4: can't get by in this league just on your talent

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Speaker 4: like people. I think the most underrated thing about professional athletes,

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Speaker 4: Because if you're going to have a long career in

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Speaker 4: And I didn't have a player's perspective, so I had

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Speaker 4: was the first one, Like he taught me a lot

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Speaker 4: about pick and roll basketball, which is obviously a big

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, because certain angles he can't see.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly think he can see, Like when he come

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Speaker 4: No, that's right, I mean, and that's why I think

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Speaker 4: you got to learn what's going on. So those guys

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Speaker 2: What do we need to do to help you?

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Speaker 1: Like that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that was all the time for me.

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Speaker 1: I love coaches that make adjustments, Like a coach that

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Speaker 1: or this adjustment might just come in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 1: and Heaton did. How hard is it for a coach

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Speaker 1: to have a strategy, stick to that strategy the whole game,

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Speaker 4: See, I think it's hard if you're not prepared to

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Speaker 4: do that ahead of time. So like we'd be in

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Speaker 4: staff meetings preparing for games, right, so we decide, like

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Speaker 4: I don't care if it was offense or defense, this

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Speaker 4: and that, like we'd be planning, all right, what's plan B,

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Speaker 4: what's playing C. And if you're playing against best players,

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Speaker 4: you got probably planned defgh I.

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Speaker 2: Jk because nothing will work.

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Speaker 4: But to me, I don't think I'm smart enough to

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Speaker 4: we were planning to adjust if that makes sense, Like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if this isn't working, this.

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Speaker 4: Is our next step. If this ain't working, this is

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Speaker 4: our next step. So you were ready to make those

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you. We had a game last night Lakers

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Speaker 4: to run their offense. Threw Draymond up top right, he's

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Speaker 4: handling the ball. Well, the Lakers literally Anthony Davis played

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Speaker 4: and then they played on top of all their shooters. Well,

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Speaker 4: normally they'll back, there's nowhere to go. AD's standing down there. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and they got crushed for like a quarter and a half.

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Speaker 4: And then Steve Kerr it's all right, that ain't working.

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Speaker 4: We're either gonna run straight pick and roll, so AD's

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Speaker 2: Post splits and stuff like.

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Speaker 4: Those are adjustments that Steve was smart enough to make,

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Speaker 4: but as part of their system, like, you have to

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Speaker 6: Know, I've seen this playout in practices and walk through

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Speaker 6: like well, he said, CD, all of this like when

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Speaker 6: I first got to the team, this is when I

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Speaker 6: I was like, I used just think he was crazy

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Speaker 6: and didn't ever want to go home. We would be

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Speaker 6: going through the team's offense and you can attest it

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Speaker 6: as we'll go through the wrinkles and then, like he said,

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Speaker 6: if he sees something, he'll be like, now the scout

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Speaker 6: is done, Charles, Bob whoever they done with they part

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Speaker 6: of the scout, Bro. They even went through the three wrinkles.

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Speaker 6: Coach like, nah, what about this? What about this? We

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Speaker 6: the players we sitting there like, oh my god, bro,

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Speaker 6: he like this ain't even part of that, and this

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Speaker 6: is something like, well, if I'm seeing that they could

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Speaker 6: do this, I mean, they could possibly do this.

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Speaker 5: This could be the last player of the game.

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Speaker 6: That's why I used to be sitting there and like

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Speaker 6: that was when Jamier and Nelson became my best real take.

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Speaker 6: Jamier used to be like, bro, are you gonna dry

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Speaker 5: Just let it go. You're like, this is gonna be

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Speaker 6: Like if you're like, you making me upset because you

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Speaker 6: complain about it, and I know it's not gonna start.

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Speaker 6: I need you to get with him at just so

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Speaker 6: you can know. Like, and I was sitting there that

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Speaker 6: when I first started to understanding, like, yo, like his basketball,

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Speaker 6: Like that's why when you ask him, how do he

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Speaker 6: watch the game?

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Speaker 5: That's why I started laughing.

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Speaker 6: I can't even imagine how he's sitting here watching the game.

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Speaker 1: I get that, and I'll be like, I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: the game totally different than everybody in the room that's

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Speaker 1: looking at the game.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think what you need, Like, I think,

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Speaker 4: you know you're never doing it on your own as

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Speaker 4: a head coach, and you know you're talking to your

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Speaker 4: players and then you got your staff and you hope

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Speaker 4: you're gonna have guys with different perspectives. You got it

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Speaker 4: Tim Hardaway on your staff while he's looking at the

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Speaker 4: game through a point guard's eyes. You know you got

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Speaker 4: say they can't retain the information is BS. Like the

439
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 4: argument that would resonate more with me is if people

440
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 4: said we don't want them on their feet that long. Okay,

441
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 4: that I understand, but don't tell me they can't retain it.

442
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 4: I don't think. I honestly don't think you can throw

443
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,479
Speaker 4: too much at NBA players, like maybe some of them,

444
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 4: Like I didn't coach you, but I coached kid. There

445
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 4: was never I don't care how much he might not

446
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 4: have wanted to be out there an hour in fifteen minutes,

447
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 4: but whatever I threw at him, we'd go into the

448
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 4: game and they'd know exactly.

449
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: What we were supposed to do on every play. They

450
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: would know.

451
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 4: So tell me they shouldn't be on their feet, but

452
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 4: don't tell me they can't retain it.

453
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm different than a lot of guys. I

454
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 2: don't buy that. I think they can retain whatever it

455
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 2: is you give them.

456
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 6: I think the best example of that is like we

457
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 6: just had Turk on Oh, Turk was the best, Like

458
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 6: this was the part that I brought up, Like, coach,

459
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 6: please explain to.

460
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 5: The world if we had a one o'clock.

461
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 6: Game, Oh, please tell the world what we were like.

462
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 5: Turk was not sewing up to maybe the fourth course.

463
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 4: We would always have them in Toronto too. For some reason,

464
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 4: we always got the Sunday. I remember Toronto would always

465
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 4: play Sunday afternoon at one and we would always have

466
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 4: those I'm telling you by the last time. So Turn

467
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 4: went to Toronto and then he came back right by

468
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 4: the time he came back, like Cliff and Patrick were like,

469
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 4: we shouldn't even bring him up here for this game,

470
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 4: like at one o'clock, because I would like, I was

471
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 4: never one of those guys.

472
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: Like every game I ever coached, Q can.

473
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 4: Vouch for this. I don't care back to back what

474
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 4: we were gonna do a walk through, it might be

475
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 4: in the hotel whatever. So we had those one o'clock games.

476
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 4: We get him up at like eight o'clock, have breakfast,

477
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 4: we'd be walking, we'd be walking through in a ballroom

478
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 4: and Turk it'd be like muttering under his broad and all.

479
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 2: This too early. It's all of this, oh my god,

480
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: all the time.

481
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 4: And he was he was like, Turk wasn't gonna get

482
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 4: going until about three, so that might be the start

483
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 4: of the fourth quarter. He might have a chance, but

484
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 4: oh my god.

485
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 3: Yo.

486
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 6: Turk was the funniest because he would complain. He was

487
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 6: the grumpy employee. He would complain the entire time. Now

488
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 6: it's the hull. Like when he started doing well place me,

489
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 6: you just always just found most of the time we

490
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 6: would be together because we both wait. So I'll be

491
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 6: sitting there like this man is going nice, then he's

492
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 6: always cold.

493
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 5: That was the other things.

494
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, cool bro cool bro.

495
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 4: Oh, but he was also like in practice what you'd

496
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 4: have to do with him, Like I remember trying to

497
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 4: talk to him my first year because you know, like

498
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 4: whatever you're doing in practice, like something's going to be

499
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 4: a warm up drill, you're doing it first. So we

500
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 4: would do a lot of like just five on zero

501
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 4: fast break, like up and back running your break, and

502
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 4: he would just be going half ass, like he just

503
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 4: would not get going.

504
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: So I try to talk to him.

505
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 4: I tried to yell at him, nothing's working, and so

506
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 4: I forget which assistant coach said, just make him keep

507
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 4: going again until he does it. So that's what we

508
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 4: started doing. And he'd be running with Jamir and Dwight

509
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 4: because you know Rashard, it would be the starters, right,

510
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 4: so we'd be running a break and then it'd just

511
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 4: be like they're supposed to be going up and back,

512
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 4: go again, go get and like six straight times and

513
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 4: They're all looking at and say, look, we're gonna go

514
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 4: till Kirk goes in full scho and then everybody's screaming

515
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 4: in here.

516
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: Bullshit like breath of the whole thing.

517
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 5: I said, we turn.

518
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 4: You know what you could do? You could go full

519
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 4: speed the first time and then we would be done

520
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 4: and it wouldn't be bullshit. But the dude could play though.

521
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: He could play a game growing up, the one on

522
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: one between you and your brother who was getting the

523
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: ass but.

524
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 4: Who I'm two and a half years older, so you

525
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 4: know that makes a difference when you're young. But by

526
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 4: the time I got to college, so I was a

527
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 4: freshman in college, he was a sophomore in high school.

528
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: By then, it turned.

529
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 4: I could still win one on one, but he was

530
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 4: a lot better player, but one on one because like

531
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 4: I wanted to school a different mentalities Like when I played,

532
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 4: I wanted to score, you know, especially when I was

533
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 4: I probably even took a lot of bad shots like

534
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 4: I was getting them up, like I wanted to score,

535
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 4: where he was a true like point guard, pass first guy.

536
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 4: So one on one, I'm gonna win, right, you know,

537
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 4: now he is a better player, but one on one

538
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 4: I was gonna win.

539
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: But we did a lot of that. You know, It's

540
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: funny you would.

541
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 4: Bring up one on one now because I remember, like

542
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 4: Bob McAdoo when I work with him in Miami, Bob

543
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 4: would always say he goes stand man. I think after

544
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 4: every practice I ever had in the NBA, I played

545
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 4: one on one against somebody, right, And when we were

546
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 4: in Orlando and we had Earl Clark and Von Wafer,

547
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 4: I don't care. You could practice for three hours. Those

548
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 4: dudes were gonna go for an hour after practice one

549
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 4: on one and some guys would jump in, right, but

550
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 4: they would That's the last time I've seen guys play

551
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 4: one on one on their own.

552
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: That's the last time.

553
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 1: You think about them trying to add a one on

554
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: one time in the All Star Game.

555
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 4: I think it would be better than that All Star

556
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 4: game we saw, Like at least then if you're not

557
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 4: gonna try one on one, well, you're just gonna get

558
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 4: your ass busted then and go home.

559
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: Like we gotta do something about that All Star Listen.

560
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 6: I feel like if guys, you know, we got enough guys,

561
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 6: we got guys in the league to take it serious.

562
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 6: I think if they get in there and they you

563
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 6: know how it is in the locker room, man, before

564
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 6: the game or whenever they got to really get the

565
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 6: right guys to buy in and start talking like yo,

566
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 6: were gonna hoop tonight. And I think if you get

567
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 6: three four of the right guys on each team and

568
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 6: they started getting it going, like man, they gonna play.

569
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 6: But it's I don't think it's been that atmosphere for

570
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 6: whatever reason, guys just you know, whether it's guys coming

571
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 6: in chilling and they tired trying to take a break

572
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 6: over there.

573
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 5: But like you like when Cole was around, when he

574
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 5: be on that will you.

575
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 4: Remember when he first matched up with MJ and yeah,

576
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 4: I mean it was like up there guard like yeah,

577
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 4: like he wanted that challenge. I remember two thousand and

578
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 4: five was the first one I coached. I coach you

579
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 4: all started geting two thousand and five in Denver And

580
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 4: at halftime Ai is like yelling at guys because that's

581
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 4: when the West start to really take over the East,

582
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 4: and AI's coming in at halftime, he goes, man, y'all

583
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 4: aren't like tired of this bullshit about how the West

584
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 4: is better than us and we all a bunch of shit.

585
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 4: He goes, I'm tired of the West. We got to

586
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 4: go out. I mean, he's like giving the halftime talk.

587
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, and what I remember about the game?

588
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,239
Speaker 4: So like the coaches, the assistant coaches make more on

589
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 4: the winning team than on the losing team. So I

590
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 4: got Spoe and Ron Rothstein and that could do right.

591
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 4: And then you could only have three guys on the bench.

592
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 4: So I'd already told Keith Askins, like, because they wouldn't

593
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 4: pay for a fourth, I'll give you my money, right,

594
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 4: so you know you got your whole rotation out for

595
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 4: the Ought's all you do in the All Star Game.

596
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 4: You want to make sure everybody gets their minutes. So

597
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 4: every time in the second half I tried to take

598
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 4: Ai out, the assistants were like, no, no, because they

599
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 4: knew he wanted to win. And sure enough we won

600
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 4: the All Star Game. They got more money and Ai

601
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 4: got the MVP. Once heard that talk, like no, no,

602
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 4: we ain't take that.

603
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 5: He must have.

604
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 4: Played twenty minutes out of the twenty four in the

605
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 4: second half of that game.

606
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 6: Tell me about when you got the Castleton State is

607
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 6: the first head coach and Joe, how was that?

608
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: So I was really young. I'd only coached for two years.

609
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: I was an assistant at the University of Vermont, and

610
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 4: then it's nineteen eighty three, and I ended up with

611
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 4: two job opportunities at the same time. I could have

612
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: gone as an assistant at Dartmouth with Reggie Minton, who

613
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 4: I'd known because he tried to recruit me to the

614
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 4: Air Force Academy when I was coming out of high school.

615
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 4: Great man, really good person, and that job was paying

616
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 4: like thirty seven thousand, okay at that time. Or I

617
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 4: could go as the head coach to Castleton State, which

618
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 4: was a Division three NAIA program, for seventy five hundred

619
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 4: bucks a year, right, so like a five times difference.

620
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: And I remember calling my dad and I said, what

621
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 4: do you think? He said, Look, he said, if you

622
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 4: want to coach, take the responsibility over the money.

623
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: Like you're twenty four. You don't need.

624
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 4: The money, he said, and once you have more money,

625
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 4: you'll never go backwards. So then you'd never take a

626
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: job like that again.

627
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: He said. The bottom line is seventy five hundred dollars is.

628
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 4: Good for you, because if they were paying more, you

629
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 4: couldn't get it. He said, they're stuck with you at

630
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 4: seventy five hundred and two years of experience. And so

631
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 4: that's what I did, and the opportunity to be a

632
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 4: head coach and inherit a really good team at that level,

633
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 4: like was great and with great people who virtually every

634
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 4: single one of them. I mean that's forty years ago

635
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 4: now and I'm in touch with virtually every single one

636
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 4: of those guys now and again learned a lot from

637
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: them just in terms of how to coach, you know.

638
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: I came in like with all the answers. Man, you

639
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 4: know how it is like, I'm sure you guys as

640
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 4: play when you were twenty four had all the answers, right,

641
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 4: And I remember my dad saying to me, son, if

642
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 4: you got all the answers, it's only because you don't

643
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 4: know all the questions. And I have kept that in

644
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 4: my mind. I think it's so true of everybody in

645
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 4: any job. Once you think you got all the answers, yeah,

646
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: you just don't know all the questions, you know. And

647
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 4: it was but it was a great experience to be

648
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 4: able to coach your own team. I mean I was

649
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 4: two years older than than a lot of the players,

650
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: and it was my first time and the whole thing.

651
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: It was.

652
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 4: It's still the most fun I've ever had, you know.

653
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 4: And I've had fun with a lot of NBA teams too,

654
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 4: but that was the most fun I've ever had, you know.

655
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: So the decision to be assistant coach at Wisconsin with

656
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: Stu Jackson, what made you make that decision?

657
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 4: I was at Umassle all Division two. Now they're Division one,

658
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 4: but at the time we were a Division two, you know,

659
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 4: and you're looking for opportunities to move up and to

660
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 4: go to the Big ten. And my brother had worked

661
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 4: for Stu with the Knicks, So like I knew about

662
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 4: Stu and and I've always thought this jobs are about

663
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 4: who you get a chance to work for and who

664
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 4: you get a chance to work with. I knew from

665
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: my brother's experience that not only was Stu a good

666
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 4: basketball man, but he was just a good man to

667
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 4: go and work for. And I've never been at that level,

668
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 4: and to be honest, never thought I'd have an opportunity

669
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 4: to be at that level. I think looking at my

670
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 4: dad's career and the way my brother and I came up,

671
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 4: I always thought, like, man, I hope someday I can

672
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 4: get one of the really good small college coaching jobs.

673
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 4: You know, that's where I saw myself. And so this

674
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 4: opportunity to be in the big ten.

675
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: Like, oh yeah, I mean that that was a big dog,

676
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: you know.

677
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like you know.

678
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 4: Right, well, he recruited Rashard Griffith, but Finley was already there,

679
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 4: Tracy Webster, you know. I mean it was like, hey,

680
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 4: this is a chance to go to the big ten.

681
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 4: I mean, it was just a great opportunity. At that

682
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: stretch in my life. I was like sort of in

683
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: awe and I sort of got the opportunity because of

684
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 4: my brother, which is also how I eventually got opportunity

685
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: with pat Riley. And yeah, I mean it's like I

686
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 4: have so much appreciation for my brother because he sort

687
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: of was, you know, ahead of me in his career

688
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: even though he was younger. And not only did I

689
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 4: learn a lot from him, but the fact that he

690
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 4: did such a great job for these guys made them say, well, shit,

691
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 4: if he's anything like Jeff and at least you'll take

692
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 4: a chance. Now you've got to be able to do

693
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: the job once you get it. But yeah, that's how

694
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 4: I got in with with Stu. I think I was

695
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 4: sort of i'd be interesting to see what Stu said,

696
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 4: but I think I was sort of Stu knew who

697
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 4: he wanted to hire, but like, well, let me at

698
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 4: least talk to him.

699
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: You know, he's.

700
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 4: Jeff's brother and the whole thing. And so I got

701
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 4: an opportunity. I remember the Final Four was in Minneapolis

702
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 4: that year, and so I didn't go to the fire

703
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 4: but I flew up and we met offsite, so nobody

704
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 4: saw anything but at a hotel up there, and I

705
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 4: met with him for a few hours and then got

706
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: the job offer. It was, It was tremendous. And then

707
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: you know, Ray McCallum was on that staff. It was

708
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 4: a holdover, but then we ended up hiring Sean Miller,

709
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 4: who's obviously done a great job as a college coach.

710
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 4: So not only did I get a chance to work

711
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 4: for Stu and learned, but to be around those guys

712
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 4: and then with you know, your Chicago guy, but to

713
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 4: be around like guys like Mike Finley and Tracy Webster

714
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 4: and then recruit Shark Griffith and I'm still in touch

715
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 4: with all of those guys, you know, so tremendous experience.

716
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 6: How was it going from there to your first time

717
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 6: being in the NBA going to go work with Pat Riley.

718
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 4: The weather was a lot better. But let me tell

719
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 4: you my first experience. So you know, I get the job.

720
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 4: I'm working for Pat, and this was like, well, maybe

721
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 4: only a month before to start a training camp because

722
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 4: Pat was just coming on board. We had this big

723
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 4: rookie camp. Thirty guys and like all some guys who

724
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 4: had been in the you know, CBA before it was

725
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 4: a G League, and some guys who were undrafted rookies

726
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 4: and all of this and obviously been in the Big ten.

727
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 4: I'd seen talent, but never that much talent all in

728
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 4: one gym at the same time. Right, So I'm like

729
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 4: sort of in awe. It's day one and we're running

730
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 4: this camp and you're not doing a lot of coaching.

731
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 4: It's more getting them organized so they could play and evaluate.

732
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 4: And I'm like, damn, there's a lot of dudes that

733
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 4: can play. And then so we go to lunch between

734
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 4: the morning session and the afternoon session. So I'm there.

735
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 4: We had this older assistant who sent passed away Scotty Robertson.

736
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: I go there with him, and then Pat comes in.

737
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 4: As soon as Pat sits down, I'm like sort of

738
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 4: in all this talent in the gym. As soon as

739
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 4: he sits down, Scotty Robertson said, well, there's nobody here

740
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 4: that can play for us. And I just went, oh shit,

741
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 4: that's the best talent I've ever seen in one gym

742
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 4: in my life. And Scotty blew all thirty of them

743
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 4: out of the water at once, and Pat said, yeah,

744
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 4: it's a little disappointing, and I was like, oh my god.

745
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 4: So then you go to training camp and we hadn't

746
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 4: traded for Alonso yet, but it was like Glenn Rice

747
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 4: and you know, I'm just like, oh my god, Like,

748
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 4: the NBA is a whole different level. And I remember

749
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 4: I think back to it now because you know, like

750
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 4: I had had Michael Finley and we played against Big

751
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 4: Dog and the whole thing.

752
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 2: And I remember when we were here Q and maybe in.

753
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 4: His like third or fourth year, they asked JJ Reddick like, well,

754
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: you played against a lot of pros when you were

755
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,959
Speaker 4: at Duke, Like, what's the difference And he said, well,

756
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 4: the difference is the best college teams maybe have two

757
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 4: or three NBA players. He said, how many NBA players

758
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 4: do you think the average NBA teams.

759
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: All of them.

760
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 5: That's the difference.

761
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: Like all of them.

762
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 4: Every guy out there, potentially, especially if you're not ready,

763
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 4: could bust your ass on any given day to twelfth

764
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 4: dude could come on and bust your ass and you're

765
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 4: there through training camp. I'll be honest, Like I'm going

766
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: to my first training camp. I coached in college for

767
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 4: fourteen years. I thought I knew the game well and

768
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 4: the whole thing, and I was scared, like going to

769
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 4: the first training camp practice, Like you know, these dudes

770
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 4: are at a whole new level. Some of them are

771
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 4: veteran guys like what you And I just remember Pat

772
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 4: saying to me, listen, just coach, and when they figure

773
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 4: out you know what you're talking about, you'll be fine.

774
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 4: Like you know, that's all they want to know is

775
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 4: that you can help them and you know what.

776
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: You're talking about.

777
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 4: They don't care where you came from or anything else.

778
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 4: And I've always remembered that, and he said, just relax

779
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 4: and do your thing, don't try to impress anybody, Just coach.

780
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 6: So that means that you was there for the very

781
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 6: beginning and the inception of this the Heat Knicks rivalry.

782
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 6: Oh tell me, how was that The first game y'all

783
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 6: played the next day because this is the first year

784
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 6: he's leaving New York and coming to Miami. How was

785
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 6: that first time y'all played the next day? Year.

786
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: I remember going in there, man, and we weren't very

787
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 4: good in Miami that year. Now, we made some trades

788
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 4: and ended up making the playoffs, but early in the

789
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 4: year we weren't good, but guys knew how important it

790
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 4: was to him. I think we took like five charges

791
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 4: in the first quarter of that game. But I remember

792
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: when we came when Pat came on to the court,

793
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: so you know, you're an assistant, you're out there early.

794
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 4: But then Pack comes walking out to the court.

795
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

796
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 4: The crowd was unbelievable, Like they're mf and him. Like,

797
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 4: I remember turning around once this one dude was like redface.

798
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 4: Wick is like maybe eight or nine year old daughter

799
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 4: next to him throwing out f bounds.

800
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 5: I'm like, that's your daughter.

801
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 4: Like I remember Bob mcadoing, I going, these people are crazy, absolutely,

802
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 4: and they booed him the entire game. We got off

803
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 4: to a good start, but then we weren't good enough.

804
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 4: We couldn't make enough shots, and we ended up losing,

805
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 4: but god, I've never seen anything like pure hatred.

806
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 2: The guy took him to the finals.

807
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 4: All he did was take another job, and it was

808
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 4: like absolutely nuts.

809
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 5: When was the first time he got physical on the court?

810
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: Though, with the teams well as always you know how

811
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: the nineties were anyway, I mean, it was, come on,

812
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 4: it was physical all the time. And it wasn't just

813
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 4: the rivalry. You just had a lot of physical dudes.

814
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 4: I mean, you know you're gonna put Charles Oakley and

815
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 4: then eventually Larry Johnson and Anthony Mason and guys that

816
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 4: played in that rivalry, and you know Dan Marley and

817
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: then Alonzo and I mean, come on, it was gonna

818
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: be physical all the time. And the thing I remember,

819
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 4: like you notice now NBA games, guys will be out

820
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: there like talking to each.

821
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: Other on the court.

822
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,959
Speaker 4: I'm not talking trash, like they're like friends at every

823
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: dead ball. On the other it wasn't light you guys,

824
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 4: remember even when you first came in, it was not

825
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 4: like that. And I remember, like maybe eight or nine

826
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 4: years after Dan Marley was done playing, somebody in Miami

827
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: did an interview talking about the rivalry, and you know,

828
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 4: Dan was always matched up with Alan Houston and they

829
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 4: ask him, like, what's the most memorable thing you remember

830
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 4: you guys saying to each other, you and Alan Houston

831
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 4: and Dan said, I don't think we ever spoke one

832
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: word to each other in that whole rivalry, Like it

833
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 4: was just competing the whole time, like going out and

834
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 4: but you know how it is too, like I see

835
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 4: it now when I see X players out there, like

836
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 4: from that era, like you legitimately hated guys at the

837
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 4: time playing against them.

838
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 2: Like when Keith Askins when.

839
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 4: He got waived in his final year in Miami, my

840
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 4: brother was a coach in New York, had great respect

841
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 4: for it. They tried to claim him off waivers. They

842
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 4: wanted him to go. He said, I can't do that.

843
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 5: I can't do that. I can't do it.

844
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: I can't go, Like his career ended as a player.

845
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 5: He couldn't do it.

846
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 4: And it worked out good because he's still working in Miami.

847
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 4: But it was that kind of thing. But the respect

848
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 4: they have on both sides, Like you listen to him talk.

849
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: They may not like those guys, but the respect man

850
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 4: because of the competition level every single night. I mean,

851
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 4: I wish we had a little more of that. I

852
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 4: don't know if you want to call it hatred, but

853
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 4: that animosity I wish we had. Yeah, absolutely, No, I

854
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 4: ain't trying to be your best friend.

855
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: You know, he's got a little bit of that.

856
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 4: He's Giannis like Jannis, won't You know how these guys

857
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 4: all get together to work out in.

858
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: The offseason, not Yannis.

859
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 4: Only guys who work out for are other Bucks guys

860
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 4: like now he ain't working. He don't want to be

861
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 4: friends with those guys. You know, it's just different.

862
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

863
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: I made the moves to get Tim.

864
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: Y'all made the moves to get Alonzo for you to

865
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: get there when they didn't have all this to turn

866
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: it into a team that can compete with the Knicks.

867
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 3: How was that process?

868
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: So?

869
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, how pat Rowley pulled all that together.

870
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 4: But we got Alonzo the literally the night before the

871
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: opening game of the season. So we'd gone through training

872
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 4: camp with one whole roster and we got Alonzo the

873
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: night before it started. For Glenn Rice, Matt Geiger, I

874
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 4: forget what else Khalid Reeves I think, and then we

875
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 4: got like Pete Myers and lron Ellis back in the deal.

876
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 4: So obviously Lonzo just changed the whole mood of everything

877
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 4: where you thought you had a chance to compete, And

878
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 4: I mean Lonzo is one of the greatest competitors there

879
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 4: was in the league. Like I mean he would give

880
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 4: it to you every single night and skill. Yeah, and

881
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: everything changed. But then we went through the hardaway trade.

882
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: It was I remember this. We played in Philly either

883
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 4: the night or two nights before the trading deadline, and

884
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 4: you can still look back. We beat Philly, but I

885
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 4: think it was the first or second lowest scoring game

886
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 4: since the shot clock era in the NBA, Like we

887
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 4: won like fifty nine to like fifty six, and the

888
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 4: NBA game Scottie Robertson, his old assistant coach, sat by

889
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 4: me the whole night and he just kept going. He'd like,

890
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 4: elbow me, look at the scoreboard, like the whole din.

891
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: It was the worst game.

892
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 4: And at the time we would get on the plane

893
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 4: to watch film, but it wasn't like now where you

894
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 4: had it on your computer, like you remember those old

895
00:43:59,040 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 4: like one.

896
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: Piece TV and VCR and the whole thing.

897
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 4: So we'd have to get him down and that's what

898
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 4: you're doing, and you throw your VHS on. So I

899
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: got my VHS going in pat gets on the plane.

900
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 4: He goes, do not watch that film. We will have

901
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 4: a whole new team the next time we take the court,

902
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 4: and I was like, okay, damn.

903
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: So we get back.

904
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 4: And then the next day we traded five guys for

905
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 4: five guys. We got Hardaway, Chris Gatling, Ty Korman, Walt Williams,

906
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 4: and Tony Smith from Phoenix, so three different trades. Our

907
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 4: first game after the trade, we play the Jordan Bulls

908
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 4: the year they won seventy. We don't even have these

909
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: guys here. We got Tony Smith in he had never

910
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 4: practiced with us. He ended up play started, played like

911
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 4: thirty some minutes. We brought Jeff Malone off the injured

912
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 4: list the last year he played. It was one of

913
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 4: those things. It was like everybody had no pressure on him.

914
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 4: Rex Chapman had like I don't.

915
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 5: He went crazy.

916
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 4: It was crazy, like every shot he threw up went

917
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 4: in the crowds bowing to it, and we beat Jordan's

918
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 4: Bulls like.

919
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: The whole thing got over.

920
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 4: And the second thing I remember about this trade, we

921
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 4: were talking about how smart guys are. So you know

922
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: at that time you had big playbooks. You guys, remember

923
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 4: at that time, my coaches had that. Now, I don't know,

924
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 4: like team might have three pages. I mean, but back then,

925
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 4: we had this whole playbook.

926
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: So my job was we had these five new guys.

927
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: Pat's like take.

928
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 4: Them before practice, after practice, like put in as much

929
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: as you can. So I got gatling, and I mean,

930
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 4: I got all these guys and we're down there after practice,

931
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 4: we're going through stuff, and I come back up to

932
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 4: the office and Pat says, what can we run with

933
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 4: Tim tomorrow night? And I said, Pat, you can run

934
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 4: whatever you want. He said, come on, Stan, I said,

935
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: Pat can run whatever you want. I've never seen anybody

936
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 4: pick shit up like that, like literally the I mean

937
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 4: if Pat had maybe the biggest playbook in the league.

938
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 2: At the time.

939
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 4: I said, literally, Pat, you can run whatever you want. Now,

940
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 4: a couple of those other dudes. I don't want to

941
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: throw out any names on a podcast, right, you gotta

942
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 4: keep it to like two plays, but thumb up, thumb downright,

943
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 4: com up, pop thumb down.

944
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: I roll, like, let's keep it to that. But with

945
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: Tim run anything. Pat said. Come on, he didn't believe me.

946
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: I said, Pat, I'm telling.

947
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 4: You, whatever you want to run, Tim's got it, you

948
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 4: know how like if people learn a foreign language, they

949
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 4: learn the word for microphone in that language.

950
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 2: That's all it was.

951
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 5: With Tim.

952
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 2: He'd seen every play in the league. It's just what's

953
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: the language, what is the heat called?

954
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 4: I know the I know the play, and he could

955
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 4: put it all together. I was like, yo, man, it's

956
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 4: a different dude right here.

957
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: When you first heard that's you was gonna be the

958
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: head coach, You're gonna put all the years in in Miami,

959
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: And now you you're hearing you're going to be the

960
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: head Cause what was the first impression of that?

961
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 2: You know, well, it was weird.

962
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 4: It was weird timing because we went through the whole preseason,

963
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 4: like we played all of our exhibition games. Pat was

964
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 4: the head coach, so it wasn't like a normal off

965
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 4: season thing. And then I just remember Pat. He came

966
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 4: in the next day and he would have to walk

967
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 4: by my office. You know how those offices are in Miami.

968
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 2: So I was the last one.

969
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 4: He comes by my office and he pokes his head

970
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 4: in and he said are you ready? And I'm like,

971
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 4: am I ready for what?

972
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: Like?

973
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: Practice?

974
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 4: I said, yeah, I left my notes on your desk.

975
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 4: He said, no, are you ready? And I'm like, like,

976
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 4: I don't know about he said, come on in. So

977
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 4: we go in the office. I got my I would

978
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 4: leaveing notes every day. I'm like, what, I think we

979
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 4: should work on all that stuff? That's how you like.

980
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 4: We didn't have meetings then with him a lot. It

981
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 4: was just you know, you're leaving notes. He looks at

982
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 4: the suggestion, he does his saying. So he brings me

983
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 4: in and he says it again.

984
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: Are you ready? I said, pat ready for what?

985
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 4: And he said, I'm gonna step down and you're going

986
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 4: to be the head coach.

987
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: Are you ready?

988
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't know if you can

989
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 4: be ready for that, but yeah, I'm ready.

990
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go.

991
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 4: And so that's all I can remember the other other

992
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 4: thing I remember about that day. So I become the

993
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 4: head coach that day. My kids are still young. We

994
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 4: had bought tickets. My wife had bought tickets the little kids.

995
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 4: You remember the Wiggles. We had bought tickets for the Wiggles.

996
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 4: So I get the job, and what're like downstairs, like

997
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 4: watching the Wiggles.

998
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 2: In this concert on to day. I got the job.

999
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 4: But then you know, we get going and like we

1000
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 4: lose our first seven games, like, I'm zero to seven,

1001
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 4: and the seventh one was against my brother in Houston.

1002
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, man, you would think the dude.

1003
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 4: Like, you got a good team, you got now and Tracy,

1004
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 4: you can give us one. Damn my brother needs one, right,

1005
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 4: So they busted us and then we ended up beating

1006
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 4: Cleveland finally, actually on the second night of a back

1007
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 4: to back, we got our first one.

1008
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: But man, it was a tough start. It's different.

1009
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 4: I don't care, you know, Like we were before we

1010
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 4: started today, Q and I we were talking about Jamal

1011
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 4: Mosley like and we were talking about it's just hard, man.

1012
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 4: I mean, like, I don't care how you've prepared yourself.

1013
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 4: And I've been a head coach in college for eight years.

1014
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: Is just different.

1015
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 4: I mean it's different, like all the decisions in an

1016
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 4: NBA game is a lot different than college because you

1017
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 4: get down to the end of the game, there's timeouts,

1018
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 4: advance the ball, I mean a minute, you might get

1019
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 4: four possessions like you can do a lot, and there's

1020
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 4: just more coaching involved. I mean, I remember Chuck Daily

1021
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 4: back in the day and he had come from Penn.

1022
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 4: He said, there's more coaching decisions in the last two

1023
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 4: minutes of an NBA game than there is in a

1024
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 4: college season, you know. And I don't know if that's true,

1025
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 4: but it is different. I've heard Spotok about it, like

1026
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 4: it took him a couple of years to get past

1027
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 4: the imposter syndrome. Like you're like, man, I don't know

1028
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 4: if I belong.

1029
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: Doing this thing. You know.

1030
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 4: So leadership, no, that's exactly right, you know, And so

1031
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 4: you've got to project that you've got all his confidence.

1032
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 4: But you know, you're questioning yourself a lot, you know,

1033
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 4: you really are, Like you're questioning yourself, like am I

1034
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 4: doing enough.

1035
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: To help these teams?

1036
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 4: Well, what I ended up learning over the course of

1037
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 4: my career is it never stops. Like I'm going to say,

1038
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 4: the best coaches are still doing that, questioning themselves because

1039
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 4: you feel a responsibility to a group of guys, to

1040
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 4: a team to help them as much as you can.

1041
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 4: And it never stopped for me. I took every loss

1042
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 4: my entire career as my fault. Not that I totally

1043
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 4: blame myself obviously to players, you know, the whole thing.

1044
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 4: But if I would have done this, if I would

1045
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 4: have done this, we could have had a chance to

1046
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 4: win and so it doesn't stop.

1047
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: So it really never changed for me.

1048
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 5: What was your first impressions of d Wade?

1049
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 6: Like, at what point did like, because obviously you saw

1050
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 6: him some point before y'all got him there, Like when

1051
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 6: did you hear that? That's what y'all were like honing

1052
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 6: in on. And then like what was it like when

1053
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 6: he got there and you got to see him.

1054
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: I'll tell you where you knew. So I was still

1055
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 4: an assistant then because I didn't get the job till

1056
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 4: after training camp. So I coached the summer league team.

1057
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, you were there.

1058
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: You were playing with Cleveland with Lebron and if you

1059
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: guys were loaded boozer Lebron the whole thing, right.

1060
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 4: So the first night because of Lebron, they played at

1061
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 4: the old Arena here. Remember that because all you guys

1062
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 4: and I remember because we had there was a games

1063
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 4: where at three, five and seven we had the three

1064
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 4: o'clock game, I think against Milwaukee, and so was like

1065
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 4: when the game started, it was like a quarter full

1066
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 4: and then a few more people came in, went in

1067
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 4: the locker room, did your postgame talk to the team,

1068
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 4: and we come out and it's the five o'clock game

1069
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 4: going on. Not even your guys get you couldn't find

1070
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 4: a place to set because they didn't charge. The fucking

1071
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 4: place was full, all about Lebron. So but then after

1072
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 4: the first night they moved it back, you know, yeah

1073
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 4: to the RDV. And then we played you, and so

1074
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 4: it's we're going down last possession.

1075
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 2: And we give the ball to d Wade.

1076
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 4: He runs a clock down all the way and hits

1077
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 4: the game winner against them.

1078
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 7: I was like, Okay, this dude, this dude, you had

1079
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 7: a great deal.

1080
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 2: No, I mean, and he was playing.

1081
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 4: I've always thought this is a coach, particularly in the NBA,

1082
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 4: like one of the things you're trying to do, like

1083
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 4: as you're trying to figure out how to get your

1084
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 4: best players on the floor. And so we had Eddie

1085
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 4: Jones at the two at the time, right, and we

1086
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 4: had Koran at the three. So which one of those

1087
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 4: guys are you putting on the bench for Dwayne?

1088
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 5: Right?

1089
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 4: So we said, noah, fuck it, We're gonna play Dwayne

1090
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 4: is our point guard. So we went into summer league

1091
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 4: and we played him totally his point He wasn't the

1092
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 4: point guard in high school.

1093
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: He wasn't the point guard at Marquette, we're playing him.

1094
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 4: At the point, I'm like, and this this is a

1095
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 4: different dude, like you know, and the other thing I

1096
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 4: got you picked up from him right away. It was

1097
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 4: interesting because I remember Pat probably wouldn't admit that, but

1098
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 4: Pat had I mean, he knew we wanted Dwayne in

1099
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 4: the draft. I'm not saying that, but he had one

1100
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 4: misgiving and that was Dwayne in his workouts. You know,

1101
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 4: you guys went through those draft workouts. I heard you.

1102
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 4: I've heard you guys talk about him on here, and

1103
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 4: you know, the heat like everything. I mean, they pushed

1104
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 4: the shit out of you in the workout, right, And

1105
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 4: Dwayne sort of when he practices, when he's doing workouts

1106
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 4: like that, like he's maybe three quarter speed. Like he's

1107
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 4: not a like one hundred mile an hour guy. He's

1108
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 4: just not right. And so that bugged Pat a little.

1109
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 4: You know, Pat wanted guys going one hundred miles an hour.

1110
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 4: But the thing you picked up from Dwayne, and it

1111
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 4: continued through. I mean I was only there for his

1112
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 4: first two years, but like Spoe was a guy who

1113
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 4: worked with him at the time, and Spoe would work

1114
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 4: with him on something after practice and they'd be going

1115
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 4: like half speed and Pat would come.

1116
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: Over to me and go, man, you got to get

1117
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: him working harder.

1118
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, but Pat, watch whatever they worked on, it

1119
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 4: would be something new.

1120
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: This dude would be doing it the next night in

1121
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 2: a game like usually that takes forever, Like next night

1122
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 2: in a game, he was doing it. Like the word

1123
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: maybe used too much.

1124
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 4: But he had this like genius, like he could see something,

1125
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,959
Speaker 4: do it a little bit and put it in his game,

1126
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 4: like he didn't need a thousand repetitions or something like

1127
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 4: a lot of guys. And so that's something we notice

1128
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 4: right away too. Then you go through the whole season

1129
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 4: and by the end of the year he's clearly our

1130
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 4: best player and his first playoff game, ever winner, ever

1131
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 4: game winner on Baron Davis.

1132
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: Oh, and the thing with him was.

1133
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 4: Great, I always said, and I would argue this with anybody.

1134
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: I know people will have other guys. He's the best

1135
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 2: into the game.

1136
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 4: Last shot guy I've ever seen. I know I'm biased,

1137
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,959
Speaker 4: but here's the thing with d Wade too. Not only

1138
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 4: did he shoot a high percentage in those situations like

1139
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 4: if it's tie game, he's getting the last shot, you

1140
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 4: ain't getting one back he's not shooting it too early.

1141
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 4: And he was a rookie in his first playoff game.

1142
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 4: I think he left him three tenths of a second

1143
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 4: the other way and dropped it in and it's like

1144
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 4: and after the game, he was like, damn man, he

1145
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 4: said to me something about putting the ball in a

1146
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 4: rookie's hand in that situation. I said, I never thought

1147
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 4: about putting the ball in the hands of a rookie.

1148
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 4: I said, put the ball in the hands of your

1149
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 4: best player, right, That's all it was. But right off

1150
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 4: the bat he was just and you play with Lebron,

1151
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 4: so you know, like right from the beginning, Like I

1152
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 4: coached those guys, both of them in their first All

1153
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 4: Star Game, and I've coached a couple other guys like

1154
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 4: E've been in twenty ten in their first All Star Game,

1155
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 4: and they're sort of like in awe, right, those two guys,

1156
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 4: they looked like, Yeah, this is where we belong and

1157
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 4: this is where we're going to be.

1158
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 2: Like it was it was nothing to them, man.

1159
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 4: And Dwayne had that era about him, and he wasn't arrogant,

1160
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 4: he wasn't cocky.

1161
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: He knew he had a lot to learn, but he

1162
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 2: knew who he was and what he could do from.

1163
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 4: The very beginning, and he could handle mistakes.

1164
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 2: You know.

1165
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 4: To me, that's a big challenge of young players because

1166
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 4: you guys ask guys this all the time on your

1167
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 4: podcast with the players about who was a guy who

1168
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 4: like busted her ass when they came in you're going

1169
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 4: to hit that adversity as a young guy. To me,

1170
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 4: when you're gonna know about a guy is how we

1171
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 4: can handle those moments, because if it's rolling, the shit,

1172
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 4: anybody's great when it's rolling. But Dwayne could handle those

1173
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 4: moments and go okay, Like I remember we played the Pistons.

1174
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 4: We should have won, but we played him game one

1175
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 4: of that playoff series Eastern Conference Finals his second year,

1176
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 4: and they were switching everything and we were having trouble

1177
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 4: in the pick and roll, and they thought like, oh oh,

1178
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 4: we got Tayshaun Prince on him and the size and

1179
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 4: all this, and we got the answer. First of all,

1180
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 4: anytime you think you've got an answer to the great players,

1181
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 4: you're fooling yourself, you know. And sure enough, like the

1182
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 4: next night, like put whoever you want on him, he

1183
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 4: was just game two, Like all right, you got me

1184
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 4: Game one, he learned from it, saw what was going on,

1185
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 4: busted out two.

1186
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the pedigree that pat Riley

1187
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: put into the Miami Heat, Like if you're saying, for instance,

1188
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 1: like he's not a Miami Heat got like it's heard

1189
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: around the league that you know, you got to be

1190
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: a certain player to play for Miami and being that

1191
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: type of environment culture. Can you tell us more about

1192
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: like the standard that he set for you to come

1193
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: to Miami and play in Miami, because you know, you

1194
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: always say here in Miami, you hear the beaches and

1195
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: stuff like, oh often they go and have a good time,

1196
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,439
Speaker 1: but when it comes to that professional team, you got

1197
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: to have body fat every.

1198
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 5: Day, you know what.

1199
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 4: Everybody knew it right, It got that word got out

1200
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 4: around the league quick, like if you go to Miami,

1201
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 4: you're gonna be expected to have this level of conditioning.

1202
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: You're going to practice longer and harder than most has.

1203
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 4: You know, Like it was out there, and I think

1204
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 4: that benefited him a lot because people who didn't want that,

1205
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 4: well they didn't they didn't.

1206
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 2: Want to be there.

1207
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 4: I remember when guys used to come in even if

1208
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 4: they were just coming in to work out, but we

1209
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 4: or even if we traded for guys or whatever, like

1210
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 4: guys would come in and Keith askins all the time,

1211
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 4: Like new guy would come in, Keith would be like, yo, man.

1212
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 2: Welcome to the rock. How long in for? Because it was?

1213
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 4: But but if you were that type of guy, you

1214
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 4: might not like it. But you knew you were going

1215
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 4: to be treated with respect and stuff too, like they

1216
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 4: were going to respect you as a worker and you

1217
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 4: were gonna have a chance to make it. And and

1218
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 4: Spoe says all the time, you know, I hear him

1219
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 4: say it, read his quotes all the time. He says,

1220
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 4: we're not for everybody. Yes, And I think that's great.

1221
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 4: I remember Bobby Knight long time ago, right before he

1222
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 4: went nuts. I remember him saying he was griping about

1223
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 4: a guy who had quit his team, right, and so

1224
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 4: he was griping to one of his captains like this dude,

1225
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 4: like the whole thing, and the guy just looked at him.

1226
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 4: He said, coach, you're not for everybody. And I think

1227
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 4: that's a good lesson for coaches too, Like every coach

1228
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 4: isn't for every player, and every player isn't for every coach.

1229
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 4: And that doesn't make that doesn't mean the player is

1230
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 4: wrong or the coach is wrong. Like you're not going

1231
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 4: to be for everybody. And I think that's one of

1232
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 4: the first things you have to learn, because if you're

1233
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 4: trying to be for everybody as a coach, I think

1234
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 4: you won't you won't be any good for anybody, to

1235
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 4: be quite honest, like you got to be who you are.

1236
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 4: And in Miami, we everybody knew what the standard was

1237
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 4: going to be, you know, like the conditioning test every year,

1238
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 4: like you know you're going to run when we first

1239
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 4: started it. Now used to have to run seventeen's five

1240
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 4: of them, and I think like the point guards had

1241
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 4: to average fifty eight seconds and the whole thing. I

1242
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 4: remember Bibbo coles Our first went Scottie robertson this older

1243
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 4: guy and he lost count so average fifty eight and

1244
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 4: Bimbo had to go nineteen.

1245
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 2: So his first time was like a minute and two

1246
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: or a minute.

1247
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 4: Three, so now he gonna have to average fifty six

1248
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 4: on the other.

1249
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 2: Bimbo's like this bullshit. I ran nineteen, like Scotty, what

1250
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: the hell.

1251
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 5: You do it?

1252
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: And Bimbo was like, I want somebody else over here, counvin.

1253
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 4: It was a big deal because Bimbo was in the

1254
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 4: best shape at anybody, and you got no margin forever

1255
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 4: fifty eight.

1256
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: Like a minute three.

1257
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 6: Oh.

1258
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: He was so pissed, but it was a big deal

1259
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 2: in Miami.

1260
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 4: And then the crazy thing was if you didn't make

1261
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 4: the conditioning test, you had to do it before practice

1262
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 4: the next day. Well, wait, you're going twice a day.

1263
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 4: If you couldn't make it the first day before, there

1264
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 4: was no chance you were gonna be running now every

1265
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 4: morning until training camp was over. And the next chance

1266
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 4: you had was when you got down like you had

1267
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 4: it finally had a day off and then only one

1268
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 4: practice that was your next chiefants to do it.

1269
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 2: I mean, it was great, but then you know Sean.

1270
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,479
Speaker 4: Lampley, Sean passed out.

1271
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 5: We were doing it.

1272
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 4: We had changed it because it was, you know, seventeen

1273
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 4: there's too many turns. So Bill Farran, the strength coach,

1274
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 4: convinced Pat, like, we can do the same thing, but

1275
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 4: we got to do ten links.

1276
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: At the court because there's fewer turns. And Lamp had gone, you.

1277
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 4: Know, because he was sort of a fringe guy right

1278
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 4: trying to make it. So he had worked out with

1279
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 4: this all summer, but at the end of the summer,

1280
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,959
Speaker 4: he got a contract to go play in the Philippines

1281
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 4: with the team for the playoffs, and you know, you

1282
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 4: need the cash.

1283
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 2: So Lamp went.

1284
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 4: Over there and he got like a little sick and stuff.

1285
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 4: He lost some weight. He came back. Now we're going

1286
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 4: to training camp, and I mean he'd worked his ass off.

1287
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 4: He was definitely in good enough shape, but he was

1288
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 4: sick and he's trying to make it and he went

1289
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 4: down and they had to take him to the hospital.

1290
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 4: That stuff all changed after that, right, that had all changed.

1291
01:02:58,920 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: We didn't do it.

1292
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 4: I don't know if they've gone back to it, but

1293
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 4: we didn't do it anymore. It's like, man, no, because

1294
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 4: I mean it was I think it was Kuran's rookie year,

1295
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 4: and I mean those guys were freaked out.

1296
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 2: They were like, oh shit, like.

1297
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 4: You know, that sort of kills the mood on first date.

1298
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 4: Can't somebody's getting hospitalized.

1299
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 3: That's it.

1300
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: You had Eudona's's rookie year. How proud are you to

1301
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: see the career that Eudona's has them?

1302
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, listen, I mean those are the great

1303
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 4: stories in the NBA.

1304
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 2: Right He and Wade came in his rookies.

1305
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 4: But you know, eu Donna's here's the thing, so Eudonna's

1306
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 4: had a great success in college and then comes out

1307
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 4: and nobody takes him.

1308
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 2: And he had to go to Europe.

1309
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 4: He had to lose fifty pounds, had the changes, and

1310
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 4: then he's got to make it as like coming in with.

1311
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 3: No the hardest team to make it on.

1312
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, perfect team for him, though, yes, you know

1313
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 4: that's the thing. So Miami's tough and everything. But like

1314
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 4: I said, I'm not sure you donnis. With where his

1315
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 4: skill level was, and he was only six' eight when

1316
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 4: he first came in the, League i'm not sure that

1317
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 4: he would have made it. Everywhere you, Know like his

1318
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 4: work ethic was great and that was highly respected where we.

1319
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 4: Are but right off the bat had everybody's. RESPECT i

1320
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 4: mean the way he did things all the, time never

1321
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 4: made an.

1322
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 2: Excuse worked his ass. Off it was.

1323
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 4: Incredible and What i've liked watching, is you, KNOW i

1324
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 4: loved watching his development as a. Player AND i, think

1325
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 4: unfortunately because it's been so long since he actually, played

1326
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 4: people forget.

1327
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 2: Like this dude was. Good like he was a big

1328
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 2: part of those championship.

1329
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 4: Teams he was good as a basketball, player but his

1330
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 4: leadership and his wisdom and stuff with young, players and

1331
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 4: then just what he's done in the community and business

1332
01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 4: wise for. Himself like that's somebody that EVERY nba players

1333
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 4: should be looking at and, saying you, know what do

1334
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 4: you want to be as a, person as a, player

1335
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 4: and then what do you want to do in the,

1336
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 4: Future like follow that, guy you, KNOW i, Mean and

1337
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 4: what an incredible thing to go to high school In,

1338
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 4: miami play at The university Of florida one year he

1339
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 4: had to be away from the. State one year he

1340
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 4: used to be he had to go over To france

1341
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 4: and then come back in his whole career right, there

1342
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 4: all in the same, state and almost all of it

1343
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 4: right in the same.

1344
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 2: CITY i, Mean, oh, no he's.

1345
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: Unbelievable, no he'd lead the rebounds In. Miami he, one

1346
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: that's a.

1347
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 4: Record that's exactly right. Now he's he's the. Best you,

1348
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 4: know there's nobody better than, him you. Know AND i,

1349
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 4: remember like we used to play shooting games for, money,

1350
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 4: right you, Know i've always done that. Stuff we would

1351
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 4: let the rookies pick, first, right who do you want

1352
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 4: to partner? With and those two guys would pick each

1353
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 4: other all the, time him And, wade and of course they.

1354
01:05:59,400 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 2: Weren't going to.

1355
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 4: Win neither one of them were very good shooters as a.

1356
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 4: Rookie they would never win right like the whole. Year

1357
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 4: and so finally we're like right at the end of the,

1358
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 4: season SO i said something, LIKE i, like we're going

1359
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 4: like five times the money.

1360
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 2: Today they, won and they were.

1361
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 4: Trying to convince people like they'd set it up all

1362
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 4: year to win on the last, day you, Know but

1363
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 4: it was those guys were. Great but that was the other, Thing,

1364
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 4: like that's how those guys, were like the, Loyalty like

1365
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 4: you guys probably would have done that with The, clippers

1366
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 4: like instead.

1367
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 7: Of, kicking instead of like picking Like Eddie, jones who's

1368
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 7: gonna help you?

1369
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: Win that picking each other every.

1370
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 4: Day but those guys had that allegiance to each other

1371
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 4: from like day, ONE i, mean and it was and still.

1372
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 4: DO i, MEAN i think they hold each other in

1373
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 4: extremely high regard because they literally went through all of it.

1374
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 3: Together, yes.

1375
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: Closing this chapter To miami and having the autumn years

1376
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: In miami and getting opportunity to come To orlando right

1377
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 1: down the road and start with a young team and

1378
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: to revamp that Team how was that transition for you

1379
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: Because Orlando New, stadium they was doing a lot of

1380
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: new stuff in the city to change it around to

1381
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: get it back. Popping so how was it for you

1382
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 1: to come In orlando and bring some new to.

1383
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 4: Them, yeah it was a great. Opportunity you, KNOW i

1384
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 4: was their second. Choice so they had Hired Billy. Donovan you,

1385
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 4: KNOW i didn't know it at the, time, right BUT

1386
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 4: i came in and interviewed with, them and you, know

1387
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 4: you're doing the, interview And otis And Bob, vanderwide who

1388
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 4: was the son in law of the devices who was

1389
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 4: running the team at the, time And dave towards, it,

1390
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 4: Right so they're all sitting in the interview and the

1391
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 4: interview was good and, everything but you're getting into the

1392
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 4: near the end of it and they just keep looking

1393
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 4: at their.

1394
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 2: Watch i'm, Like, god damn, MAN i, mean what's going?

1395
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,959
Speaker 4: On WELL i find out, afterwards like they literally left

1396
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 4: my interview and went To gainesville to Offer billy the.

1397
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 2: Job Billy, Donovan so.

1398
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 4: LIKE i was like the backup because you want to

1399
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 4: have like some of what If billy said no and

1400
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 4: the whole. Thing So billy takes the. Job he has

1401
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 4: a press, conference the whole. Thing he has a press.

1402
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 4: Conference so Now i'm out In vegas interviewing for The

1403
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 4: sacramento job With Jeff petree And Wayne. Cooper and we're

1404
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 4: In vegas because The maloofs owned the team at the

1405
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 4: time and that's where they were, based. Right So i'm

1406
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 4: out to dinner In vegas and you, know like one

1407
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 4: of those times you're having dinner and you, know like

1408
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 4: your phone's just, vibrating you, know somebody's trying to call,

1409
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 4: you but it's like one after the. Other that was

1410
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 4: at the, time LIKE i had a flip. Phone my, god,

1411
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 4: damn why is he? Sink SO i, look, NO i get,

1412
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 4: up AND i, say because you don't want to be,

1413
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 4: RUDE i got to go to the. BATHROOM i go,

1414
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 4: DOWN i see the. Phone it's my. Brother he's made

1415
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 4: like six calls in six. Minutes So i'm, like oh,

1416
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 4: SHIT i hope something didn't kind of my parents or.

1417
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 4: Something that's what you're, thinking, Right and SO i go

1418
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 4: SO i call.

1419
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 2: Him he's, like, look whatever you, do.

1420
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 4: Don't take that job right. Now if they offer it to.

1421
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 4: YOU i Think billy's going back To. Florida And i'm

1422
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 4: like what and he, goes, NO i think he's going

1423
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 4: back To florida and the whole, thing and sure, Enough

1424
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 4: billy decided to go. Back, Well i'm the only other

1425
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 4: guy they'd. Interviewed and if you you, know if you

1426
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 4: have something like, that it's a little bit embarrassing the

1427
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 4: guy going. Back so you don't want to be waiting

1428
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 4: like three weeks to make your next.

1429
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 2: Hire oh you're gonna.

1430
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 4: Hire you only interviewed one other, guy, Right so you hired,

1431
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 4: me AND i wouldis had the best line ever at

1432
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 4: the press, conference because you, know they got turned down

1433
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 4: and now they're hiring. Me and they asked him about

1434
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 4: like the, thing and he, said, hey look we identified

1435
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 4: two outstanding coaches and we hired both of. Them it was,

1436
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 4: great but it was a great opportunity for, me you,

1437
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 4: know Because i'd had the opportunity In, miami but.

1438
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 2: For good and for, bad at least at that.

1439
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 4: TIME i don't think it's tr true now Because SPO's

1440
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 4: been there a long, time but at that time that

1441
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 4: was Still pat's, team, right and you came here you

1442
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 4: had a chance to sort of put your own mark

1443
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 4: up and that was a tremendous. Opportunity for. Me plus

1444
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 4: on a personal, level my wife's mom and stepfather had

1445
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 4: already lived up here for twenty some.

1446
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 2: Years so, yeah so.

1447
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 4: We were coming right. Home we ended up moving like

1448
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 4: four or five miles from. THEM i, mean it was

1449
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 4: just a it was a great opportunity and, obviously you,

1450
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 4: know a really really good, Team SO i was, very

1451
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 4: very lucky to get that.

1452
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 6: OPPORTUNITY i want to get from your, standpoint because we

1453
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 6: talked about it previously on, here we feel That dwight

1454
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 6: obviously was should have been on that top seventy five,

1455
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 6: list and you coached him for most of His domini.

1456
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 5: Rank can you just.

1457
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 6: Talk about how he literally dominated like, Defensively like obviously

1458
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 6: his offensive game came on a little bit, less but

1459
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 6: like from a very, jump just talk about how good

1460
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 6: and like all time good he was as a.

1461
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 5: Defender.

1462
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, look the TIME i was, here to, me the

1463
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 4: only two guys you could even talk about in his

1464
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 4: league at that time Were lebron And kobe was still, playing,

1465
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 4: right that was? It like there was no one else

1466
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 4: to talk about in my, opinion because you're talking both

1467
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 4: ends of the. FLOOR i, mean he was three straight

1468
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 4: years of Defensive player of The year and you, know

1469
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 4: we were always, one two three something like that in,

1470
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 4: defense and if you look out, there LIKE i, love

1471
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 4: we had really good, players but we didn't necessarily have

1472
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 4: really good. Defenders you, know we were most because of.

1473
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 2: Him, ever other guy's put in great.

1474
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 4: EFFORT i don't want, to but what made us a

1475
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 4: really good defense was, him, Right and then on, offense

1476
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 4: he's still getting you a twenty. Plus and we didn't

1477
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 4: even like go to him a whole, lot you, know

1478
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 4: like we weren't like throwing him the ball all the

1479
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:10,799
Speaker 4: time to let him get. Numbers but everything revolved around,

1480
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 4: him you. KNOW i mean he would roll and at that,

1481
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 4: time you, know sucking the entire. Defense and then we

1482
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 4: had shooters around. HIM i, mean look for him to

1483
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 4: not be in the top seventy. Five that was just

1484
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 4: a personality. Thing there's no, way you. KNOW i, MEAN

1485
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 4: i Think Anthony davis is, great but at the time

1486
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 4: they selected, it you're selecting on the careers they had

1487
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 4: had up to that. Point come, ON i, mean it's not.

1488
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 4: Close there's not like you can think a guy is.

1489
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 4: Better that's, Fine like that's a subjective, thing. Right it's

1490
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 4: LIKE i was arguing with people the other, Day, like

1491
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 4: it's fine if you want to tell me That Michael

1492
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 4: jordan was a better basketball player Than Lebron. James that's.

1493
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 4: Fine you can make a case for. That what you

1494
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 4: can't make a case for is that My Michael jordan

1495
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 4: had a better career Than Lebron. James you can't make

1496
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 4: a case for. That and when you're going top seventy,

1497
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 4: five you cannot make a. Case And i'm only bringing

1498
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 4: out one. Guy there's a lot, more but you cannot

1499
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 4: make a case That Anthony davis when they picked that

1500
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 4: team or even, now had a better career Than Dwight.

1501
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 4: Howard that's absolutely, ridiculous you. Know but people didn't didn't like,

1502
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,639
Speaker 4: You and the funny thing is they did love.

1503
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 2: Him for the time he was.

1504
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 6: Here he was out voting whoever like for the all

1505
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 6: started leading like he was wiping it out like. Clean

1506
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 6: WHEN i came, HERE i tell PEOPLE i had to

1507
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 6: learn how to play defense. DIFFERENT i had to stop

1508
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 6: filing LIKE i had never played with somebody that was

1509
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 6: literally like he was going to erase whatever mistake you.

1510
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 6: Made you can play people way like you remember how

1511
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 6: you played. CAR i could get all into people because

1512
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 6: if somebody get by. Me they fell. Away play with

1513
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 6: me if you want. To i'm gonna be all And

1514
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 6: i'm gonna talk and do. EVERYTHING i felt a whole

1515
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 6: different level of. CONFIDENCE i could come out here talk

1516
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 6: shit like go, ahead like you know What i'm, saying go,

1517
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 6: ahead run past. Me WHEN i first got here'll be time,

1518
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 6: people somebody get. Fat no one, foul big fella be

1519
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 6: coming like the solar eclips.

1520
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 5: Like, no don't foil he oh he holding on to the,

1521
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 5: back don't Like god damn.

1522
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 6: Like and then AFTER i started, learning it was like

1523
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 6: he putting it in the third. Row, boo big fella

1524
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 6: shut that thing. Down that's WHY i when that cal

1525
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 6: na like y'all can't do, This i'm, like, nah this

1526
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 6: is this ain't, cool this is, like this is a no.

1527
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 6: Brainer it. Is it was for, real like he was

1528
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 6: that dominant that it. Was it shouldn't even been the.

1529
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 4: Question well here's the thing, too that he never got

1530
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 4: enough credit. FOR i didn't, think but you, know until

1531
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 4: he finally had the back injury the last year we were, here,

1532
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 4: right he had the back, injury which people thought he

1533
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 4: was faking because he AND i had had our. Thing

1534
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 4: but he ended up having surgery in the whole, thing

1535
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 4: and then it really of he was his, career, right

1536
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 4: so he played every. Night but that was back in

1537
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 4: an age where we actually practiced like we. Practiced he

1538
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 4: never took practices. Off AND i remember saying to, him

1539
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 4: LIKE i would always at that time put the third

1540
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 4: center on his team or the backup center so he

1541
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 4: could get take reps. Off and he wouldn't let him play.

1542
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 4: It he, come he'd played thirty eight, minutes do all.

1543
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 4: That come into practice the next, day take every. Rep

1544
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 4: so people would. LOOK i used to hate, it like

1545
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 4: because he'd laugh and smile on the. Court so they

1546
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 4: tried to paint him like he wasn't a serious. Competitor

1547
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 4: AND i was, like, man don't be looking at what's

1548
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 4: on a guy's.

1549
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: Face look at his body at work out.

1550
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 6: There it was like like he, said, though for him

1551
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 6: to be pricing like that for, him because like, superstars you,

1552
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 6: know they gonna take one or.

1553
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 5: Two Like Big fella used to just be out there

1554
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 5: all the.

1555
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 7: Time they might goof. Around h, yeah but like he

1556
01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 7: would go hard too all the. Time it was just you,

1557
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 7: know he didn't get enough credit for. THAT i just you,

1558
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 7: know that INCIDENT i had with, HIM i, Regret and

1559
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 7: the only REGRET i have about it IS i think

1560
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,879
Speaker 7: it had a lot to do with sort of ruining

1561
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 7: his reputation of who he was if people had actually

1562
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 7: talked to, me Like i've NEVER i said the truth

1563
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 7: about WHAT i said, There but Anything i've.

1564
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 4: Ever said about the guy is just WHAT i said.

1565
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 4: Here great, player hard. Worker should he have been in

1566
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 4: the top seventy, Five, yeah put him in the top.

1567
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,640
Speaker 4: FIFTY i, mean this dude one of the most dominant

1568
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 4: players of his. Generation and again going back to, It

1569
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 4: we've said it like three.

1570
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 2: Times the dude was so.

1571
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 4: Smart we used to do so when we did scouting,

1572
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 4: reports and we used to do him different. Ways but In,

1573
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 4: orlando we would go do our walk, through you'd do

1574
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 4: the walk through the film we were here, forever D

1575
01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 4: but and then we would divide up by groups like

1576
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 4: the wing, guys the big, guys the point, guards, right, yeah,

1577
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 4: Right and we would talk about. Personnel So Brennan malone

1578
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 4: had the big, guys, Right brennan And pat and so

1579
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 4: they would ask guys, like you, know tell me about

1580
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 4: so and, so And dwight would not only know about,

1581
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 4: everybody hip me up like standing. Up you'd see him

1582
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 4: in the locker room like demonstrating guys moves and, stuff

1583
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 4: and we had to make a rule we wouldn't let

1584
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 4: him talk.

1585
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 2: Anymore he was.

1586
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 4: Like, WHY i, said because these other GUYS i need

1587
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 4: to know if they know what's going on with the.

1588
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 4: Players and they never have to answer a question because

1589
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 4: you answer every one of. Them and when he was

1590
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 4: With TEAM, usa they Had Mike furtello was, LIKE i

1591
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,600
Speaker 4: don't know what he was doing With TEAM, usa but

1592
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,759
Speaker 4: they had him call me one day and they, Said,

1593
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 4: stan like they wanted me to.

1594
01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 2: Call, You, like we've Got. Dwight what can we do

1595
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: with him on pick and? Rolls like on?

1596
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:57,759
Speaker 4: DEFENSE i, Said, Mike and whatever you, WANT i, Said

1597
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 4: and if you want to adjust five times in the,

1598
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 4: game go, Ahead he's gonna pick it. Up like this

1599
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 4: guy is smart as. Hell he was a different level the.

1600
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 4: SMARTEST i coach good big, guys but he was the

1601
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 4: smartest big GUY i ever. Coached, Now shaq was really

1602
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 4: really smart, Too but in terms of stuff like, that

1603
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,320
Speaker 4: there was nobody Like. DWIGHT i, Mean dwight studied the,

1604
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 4: league he knew.

1605
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 6: AND i tell you like he was a name From

1606
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 6: Chris paul To Dan williams to. Who he got out

1607
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 6: and he got a poke on. Them, guys you can't

1608
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 6: poke the ball. Away i'm talking on the picking. ROAD

1609
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 6: i ain't never seen big boys get out there like he.

1610
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 6: Would he'd get out there And i'm talking about name

1611
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 6: whoever the best point guard. Was he'd get out there

1612
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 6: and he had jumped there and he had poked the

1613
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 6: ball away real quick copy like god. Damn nobody can't do.

1614
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 6: That but big fella get out there and Here i'm

1615
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 6: talking about from the best of the. Best he'd get

1616
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:54,560
Speaker 6: one on him and he always you, know he was.

1617
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 6: Goofy he get. Excited SEE i got out the hen

1618
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 6: come let you, know LIKE i got the pop like.

1619
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 5: Yo this big dude sick like for.

1620
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: Real going into The Eastern conference finals Against lebron, them

1621
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 1: you see all the commercials ON tv with him And,

1622
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 1: kobe and you see the world wanting him And kobe to.

1623
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 3: Meet in the.

1624
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 1: Finals going into that, series sometimes that can be discouraging from,

1625
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:20,759
Speaker 1: players and you, know you got to keep their motivation.

1626
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 1: Up what was your strategy and what did you know

1627
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: that your team could do to really Beat lebron Them

1628
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: that they everybody was trying to give them the.

1629
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 4: Finals, yeah you know, what we had great confidence against them.

1630
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 4: Anyway you, know like sometimes it's just how you match

1631
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 4: up with certain. Teams so my first two years, here

1632
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 4: like we had beaten them, consistently and we had even

1633
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 4: gone over To china and played them like two games

1634
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,759
Speaker 4: in the preseason and the whole, thing and we had

1635
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 4: which people like they sort of got on me, once

1636
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 4: but like we came. Back they had been beaten that

1637
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 4: crap out of us in one of those. GAMES i

1638
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 4: left my dudes in in a preseason game to beat,

1639
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 4: them you, know and people were always, like come, on,

1640
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 4: man what is?

1641
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,680
Speaker 2: It And i'm, like, hey we're here to, win.

1642
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 4: Right BUT i think just the whole thing was we

1643
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 4: had always beaten, them not, always BUT i don't, know

1644
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 4: they hadn't beaten us very, much and so we had

1645
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 4: confidence against them coming in AND i think that was

1646
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 4: the big. Thing and we went into that, series Like

1647
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 4: lebron had an unbelievable. SERIES i, think scoring, wise still

1648
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 4: the best series he ever. Had so it's not like

1649
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,879
Speaker 4: we shut him. Down but you, know they won sixty

1650
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 4: six games that, year and no knock on anybody, again

1651
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 4: but their second best player Was Mo, Williams like who's

1652
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 4: not gonna make The hall Of. Fame they had good,

1653
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 4: players but they didn't have like great. Players and so

1654
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 4: we made the decision going in that we just couldn't

1655
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 4: give him, Everything like if he's going to go out

1656
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 4: and get thirty and twelve assists and set those other guys, up,

1657
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 4: well then we're going to have a hard. Time so

1658
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 4: we were going to try to play him one on

1659
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 4: one as best we. Could you, know we played him

1660
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 4: With keto And piatrice, yet you, know and we're gonna

1661
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 4: try to play those. Guys and he had big, nights

1662
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 4: but the other guys didn't have big. Nights and the

1663
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 4: only other guy that we just are bench struggled, with

1664
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 4: of all, people we could not Stop Wally's, Rbiak Like.

1665
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,839
Speaker 2: Wally zerbiak was busting.

1666
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 4: Us but we did a good job in that series

1667
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 4: against them Because lebron wasn't really and you Know, lebron

1668
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 4: like you play with, him he wants to create for other.

1669
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 2: People and we were.

1670
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 4: Just, like we're going to stay home and we're going

1671
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 4: to try not to foul him in the whole. Thing

1672
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 4: we should have swept. Him we should have swept him

1673
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 4: because we won game. Won we had a huge. Comeback

1674
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 4: we were down twenty in the first. Act rashard hit

1675
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:50,720
Speaker 4: the shot in the.

1676
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 2: Corner we beat.

1677
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 4: Him we were down twenty again in game two and

1678
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 4: we had him and that play that they still play ON.

1679
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 4: TV i want to throw something at MY tv every

1680
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 4: year every, year like he's gonna hit that. Shot i'm

1681
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 4: gonna have to watch it twenty. Times my producer AT,

1682
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,560
Speaker 4: tnt Like i'll just be sitting out there before a.

1683
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 2: Game he, goes, HEY.

1684
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 4: I got a clip to show, you and he'll show

1685
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 4: that just to throw it at me and in my,

1686
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 4: reaction you, know but he hit that. Shot otherwise we

1687
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 4: would have swept him because we came home and the

1688
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 4: two games here were were pretty. Good but we got

1689
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 4: it to game six and Then dwight just game six

1690
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:28,479
Speaker 4: was like that's.

1691
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 2: It i'm taking this shit.

1692
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 4: Over and they had nobody that could, play and they

1693
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 4: were afraid to double him because we had so much,

1694
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 4: shooting and so they were leaving him one on one down,

1695
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 4: there and it was, like, okay forget.

1696
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 1: It you, know when you played in the finals against The,

1697
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: lakers if it was anything that you can change strategy,

1698
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 1: wise or you know something that you might have want to,

1699
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,439
Speaker 1: say what would have been that you feel would have

1700
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 1: helped you'all win that.

1701
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 4: Finals So game, four, right we should have, won which

1702
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 4: would have even the. Series And Derek fisher hit three

1703
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 4: to send the game to. Overtime and they were a

1704
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 4: little different than what we thought coming out of the time.

1705
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 4: Out And Phil jackson had done that several, times but

1706
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 4: he took the ball in the backcourt instead of you,

1707
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 4: know most people advanced it after the time. Out he

1708
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 4: took it in the. Backcourt and we weren't clear with

1709
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 4: our team that when the clock got under six or

1710
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 4: eight whatever we were going to, do that we wanted.

1711
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 2: To take a.

1712
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:26,479
Speaker 4: Foul we didn't take a foul and that was on.

1713
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 4: Me it wasn't on. Players that was on. Me and

1714
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 4: so that game got overtime and we. LOST i, mean

1715
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 4: that's the one probably of any move in my ENTIRE

1716
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 4: nba coaching. Career that's well and The lebronc game winner

1717
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 4: in that round, two you, know because on that one

1718
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 4: we had to. Play i'd seen him run that play

1719
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 4: and what they wanted to. Do Mike brown used to

1720
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 4: run the pin down For lebron late in the game

1721
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 4: and he would fake up and they'd backdoor him and

1722
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:55,560
Speaker 4: throw the ball to the.

1723
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 2: Rim so we talked about.

1724
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 4: That turk played it, perfect took away the bacut had

1725
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 4: his body right. There So lebron came. UP i should

1726
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 4: have had the guy on the ball Tracking. LEBRON i

1727
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 4: should have AND i. Didn't so that one right, There i'm, like,

1728
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 4: damn we could have been up.

1729
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 3: Two.

1730
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 2: Oh SO i was killing myself for that.

1731
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 4: One but THEN i still to this day kicking myself

1732
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 4: For Derek fisher's. THREE i, mean had we found, me who,

1733
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 4: Knows but you win that, game it's two. Two it's

1734
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 4: a whole different. SERIES i, mean they still would have

1735
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 4: home court and the whole. Thing but that was the.

1736
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 4: Thing to this, Day i'm kicking myself on your.

1737
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 3: Brother how proud are you of?

1738
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 1: Him of all his success for being a head, coach

1739
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: the success he's have ON, tnt just been a fan,

1740
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: favorite and what he's created for itself y'all as a,

1741
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 1: whole for your family name The Van. Gundhies let everybody

1742
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: know The Van, gundyes.

1743
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,719
Speaker 4: Yeah and, listen he's you, know AS i said, earlier

1744
01:24:55,800 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 4: like he sort of blazed the trail for, me and

1745
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 4: he was a G i, mean Obviously i'm, biased but

1746
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:06,600
Speaker 4: he was a great head, coach really really, good AND

1747
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 4: i think the guys who played for him would back that.

1748
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 4: Up had a great toughness about him in a good,

1749
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 4: way you, know and then to like change careers and

1750
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 4: now be the best in the business doing something. ELSE

1751
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:24,719
Speaker 4: i think that it's really it's really an amazing. Thing

1752
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 4: BUT i think the Thing i'm most proud of with

1753
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 4: him is just the kind of person he is and

1754
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 4: the way he represents himself in a, Game like he

1755
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 4: has unbelievable respect for the people in the. League like

1756
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 4: he has great respect for, Players AND i think that

1757
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 4: comes across like you, know he's far from being a,

1758
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 4: Hater like he has great respect for, Players he has

1759
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 4: great respect for.

1760
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 2: Coaches we both get.

1761
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 4: Criticized if we get criticized for one, thing it's the

1762
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:59,080
Speaker 4: most they'll, say we never like get on coaches and.

1763
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 4: Stuff BUT i think that comes from we both know

1764
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 4: how hard it, is and so just like you, guys as,

1765
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 4: players like you, know the playan ain't real, easy so

1766
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 4: you're Not you may be, critical but you ain't gonna

1767
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 4: totally jump on somebody because it's not because you're trying

1768
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 4: to protect, him it's because you know how hard that shit, is,

1769
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 4: like you, know the whole.

1770
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 2: Thing and SO i think he has great respect and.

1771
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 4: Even with the, officials he'll get on, him but he

1772
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 4: has great respect for what they, do and he has

1773
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 4: great respect for the. Game AND i think WHAT i

1774
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 4: like the most WHEN i hear him broadcast is he

1775
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 4: tries to convey that respect for everybody in the, game

1776
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 4: but he doesn't take himself too, Seriously like you, know

1777
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 4: you can joke with, him you can make fun of,

1778
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 4: him you, know and he loves it as much as.

1779
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 4: Anybody So i'm just really proud of the, uh the

1780
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 4: type of person he.

1781
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:50,800
Speaker 2: IS i feel very very.

1782
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 4: Proud like people will say stuff to me sometimes On,

1783
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 4: twitter but sometimes like they'll yell, Stuff jeff's the Better

1784
01:26:57,080 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 4: Van gundy And i'm, like, yeah totally. AGREE i don't

1785
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 4: know how they think they're going to upset me with,

1786
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 4: That like don't you want you want that for everybody

1787
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 4: in your, family you want them to be better than,

1788
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 4: You like that's a great thing you're saying to me right, Now, like,

1789
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 4: yeah that's my, brother.

1790
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 2: MAN i Mean I'm i'm proud as hell of.

1791
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 6: Him get him going INTO tv have something to do

1792
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 6: with you going over there after it and getting.

1793
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 5: It now you WITH tnt doing your.

1794
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 4: Thing, WELL i think two things, again, RIGHT i, mean

1795
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:27,879
Speaker 4: just like with the, Coaching i'm sure somebody AT tnt

1796
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 4: or all of them said, like cause he had worked AT,

1797
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 4: tnt not for, long but before he went back To.

1798
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 4: Houston Between New york And, houston he worked FOR. Tnt

1799
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 4: so not only did they think he was good doing the,

1800
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 4: broadcast but, again like he's just a good person to work,

1801
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 4: With like he was a team player AT tnt and

1802
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 4: treated everybody with respect and the whole. Thing and SO

1803
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 4: i think THAT i benefited from people, saying you, know.

1804
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 2: Maybe he'll be like his.

1805
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 4: Brother his brother was, great let's give him a a.

1806
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 4: SHOT i, mean there's no doubt in my mind THAT

1807
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 4: i would have never gotten the opportunity in THE nba

1808
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 4: as a, coach even as an. Assistant Pat riley would

1809
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 4: have never hired me except he had experience with my.

1810
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 4: BROTHER i don't Think pat looked at my resume and, Said,

1811
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:18,440
Speaker 4: yo this dude won a lot of games At Castleton

1812
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 4: state In.

1813
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 2: VERMONT i don't think he said. That you, KNOW i

1814
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 2: think it was because.

1815
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 4: Of my, Brother and Then i'm sure with the broadcasting

1816
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 4: it was the same. Thing so, YEAH i have no

1817
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 4: hesitation in saying that without, HIM i would have never

1818
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 4: had this opportunity That i've had in THE.

1819
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 6: Nba so clearly you was paying some attention to some

1820
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 6: of the locker, room the airplane and the, bus the

1821
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 6: slang that we was. Using because now all over the,

1822
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 6: internet in the social media where we got stand busting

1823
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 6: out the hip, hop the colts are were they got,

1824
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 6: stand they got to stand spitting little segment on, espright,

1825
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 6: like tell me.

1826
01:28:58,360 --> 01:28:59,719
Speaker 5: Who that all came? From Kevin.

1827
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 2: DURY i don't know if you.

1828
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 4: Follow SO i tweeted out a thing about WHICH i

1829
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:07,960
Speaker 4: still stand, By LIKE i tweeted out this thing That,

1830
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 4: hey in the nineties WHEN i came in the, league

1831
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 4: guys practice more, more back to, backs travel was, harder

1832
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 4: and they played more, often and we practiced all you guys,

1833
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 4: know like practice was. Practice so ALL i said is

1834
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 4: something's not working. Here and So Kevin durant tweeted out

1835
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 4: a reply stand. SPITTING i had no idea what he

1836
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 4: was talking. About, none. Zero SO i didn't think he, was,

1837
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 4: like you, know busting on, me BUT i thought he

1838
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 4: was disagreeing with.

1839
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 2: Me SO i came back and, said, LOOK i, said like.

1840
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,560
Speaker 4: Injuries like, yours a guy rolls on your, leg we

1841
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 4: can't do anything, aback Like i'm explaining. Myself and then

1842
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 4: he just came back, with, LOL i was agreeing with.

1843
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 4: You so now everybody jumped on that, stuff, right and

1844
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,759
Speaker 4: then everybody's, like, Yo, stan come on, man you coach

1845
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 4: in THE, nba you got to get The Urban dictionary and.

1846
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 4: Shit but, like, no LIKE i would hear a lot

1847
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 4: of stuff WHEN i was, GONE i never knew any of, that,

1848
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 4: honestly you, KNOW i knew more about the slanging stuff

1849
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 4: when my kids were still at, home you, know because they're,

1850
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 4: young they're around. It but now my kids have all

1851
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,759
Speaker 4: been out of the, house so And i'm not, Coaching

1852
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,639
Speaker 4: i'm not around, it So i'm not up On i'm

1853
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 4: not up on anything right. Nothing so they got me

1854
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 4: and it was, funny but like that's JUST i, mean

1855
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 4: you know, ME, q you were around me Like i'm

1856
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 4: just WHO i. Am Like i'm not trying to act

1857
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 4: like hip hop or THAT i came from where you

1858
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 4: came from or anything.

1859
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 2: Else that's just not WHO i. Am, like that's not

1860
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 2: the lingo That i'm gonna.

1861
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,720
Speaker 4: Use but we've had a lot of fun with it

1862
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 4: with it on the, air And durant got me on that,

1863
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 4: one you, know he. DID i had no. Idea so

1864
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 4: NOW tnt thinks it's. Funny and they're using.

1865
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:03,240
Speaker 2: That on me.

1866
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 1: Eras who has the best era the, nineties two, thousands

1867
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 1: early two thousands or this, era.

1868
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 4: All of, them they're all, different and they're all of,

1869
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,719
Speaker 4: them AND i think that's the, thing. RIGHT i grew

1870
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 4: up On Oscar robertson And Kareem, Kareem LIKE i grew

1871
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 4: up In, california and so this is BEFORE. Espn you

1872
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 4: didn't get games ON. Tv growing up out there was

1873
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 4: The pack eight at the, Time saturday Afternoon pack Eight

1874
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 4: game of The. Week it was ALWAYS ucla whoever they were,

1875
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 4: playing and a lot of times it was ten am

1876
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 4: in the morning for us In california because it be

1877
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 4: a one o'clock game on The East COAST Nba game

1878
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 4: of the. Week those are the two games you got every.

1879
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,799
Speaker 4: Week so those are.

1880
01:31:45,640 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 2: The GUYS i grew up.

1881
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 4: On and you know, what a lot of it was

1882
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 4: more reading about it because you didn't see that many. Games,

1883
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 4: yeah you, know so that era was, great AND i always,

1884
01:31:56,320 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 4: think just respect the great ones for what they did

1885
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 4: in their.

1886
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 2: Era and it's hard to compare era to of, course

1887
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:06,640
Speaker 2: just the NATURAL i.

1888
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 4: Don't even care if we're talking about, basketball natural human.

1889
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 4: Evolution guys get, bigger, stronger, faster.

1890
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 2: And they keep. Improving so the best players are the guys.

1891
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 4: Playing, Now LIKE i don't even want to argue that

1892
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 4: with the guys of the eighties and. Nineties players have gotten,

1893
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 4: Better LIKE i don't know if you guys look out, there,

1894
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 4: RIGHT i, mean players are better now.

1895
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:31,640
Speaker 2: Than than you guys, Were like that's just but here's the.

1896
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 4: THING i think the players now have to, Realize, yes

1897
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 4: you're better. Now you know why because everybody builds on

1898
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 4: the generation ahead of. Them and without these guys that

1899
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,040
Speaker 4: played before, you you wouldn't be. Here you didn't invent

1900
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 4: the damn. Game you just improved on. It and the

1901
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 4: GUYS i, like AND i will say, THIS i Think

1902
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 4: shack has been one of the best of. This, like

1903
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 4: if you, remember, right who paid For George mikeen's, Funeral?

1904
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 4: Shack did you Know shack, Did, like that's respecting a

1905
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 4: Guy shack never saw him, Play but that's respect for.

1906
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 4: People lebron's done a good job of at you, know

1907
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 4: but you gotta respect. Everybody like to, me, man my

1908
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 4: hero growing. UP i still throw him in the conversation

1909
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 4: for the best Ever Oscar, Robertson, like, look, man we

1910
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,600
Speaker 4: talk about triple. Doubles the dude had been in the

1911
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 4: league five. Years five years in the. League at the

1912
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:29,720
Speaker 4: end of five, years he was averaging thirty ten and.

1913
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:32,639
Speaker 4: Ten he was averaging a thirty point triple.

1914
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:34,840
Speaker 2: Double, like we ain't gonna give my man no.

1915
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 4: Respect, like come, on Like Oscar, Robertson and here's the,

1916
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 4: Thing like you think of the big, guards now you

1917
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 4: think Of luca or before, him like, magic that shit

1918
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 4: started With. Oscar, man that started With. Oscar he was

1919
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 4: a six' five power forward playing. Point guard like give, him,

1920
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:58,600
Speaker 4: respect like and it just builds on. Every generation so, to,

1921
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 4: ME yeah, i like if you're going to look at

1922
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 4: a Guy Like bill russell or in, today's game, if

1923
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:07,680
Speaker 4: yeah if he came with the, same, GAME yeah i,

1924
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 4: don't know he'd be a third string center, Somewhere maybe

1925
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 4: but that's not. The point the point is he changed.

1926
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 4: The game he changed, the game AND so i like.

1927
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 4: THE conversations i think. They're interesting best player of, All

1928
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 4: time but let's just make sure that we're giving guys

1929
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 4: of every era the respect they deserve because also a

1930
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 4: lot of things. WERE harder i mean they're, traveling commercial

1931
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 4: playing three days in, a row, you.

1932
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 2: Know yes and not making the kind of money that they. Were.

1933
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 4: Making now those guys all had off season jobs, and stuff.

1934
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 3: You.

1935
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 2: Know yeah so that's my only THING is i don't.

1936
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 4: Like it it's fine to make have, THE conversation i

1937
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:53,879
Speaker 4: don't like it when it comes, to yeah those guys

1938
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 4: couldn't PLAY like I.

1939
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 2: Love jj he's one of my.

1940
01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 4: Favorite everybody when he called those guys, all plumbers they

1941
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 4: used to play, like, no. No no if you're the

1942
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 4: best in, your generation you were the best based on those,

1943
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 4: training techniques the way people coach then all, Of, that like, come,

1944
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 4: on man those guys. Were great and let's also remember

1945
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:20,879
Speaker 4: there were fewer teams in there were, you know, sixteen

1946
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 4: teams twelve teams if you go back, far enough. Eight

1947
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 4: teams well imagine if there were twelve, teams now not

1948
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 4: even half the guys that are in the league now

1949
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 4: would be in.

1950
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:32,960
Speaker 2: The league imagine what the level of play. Would be,

1951
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 2: You know that's the thing people.

1952
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:37,679
Speaker 4: Don't Realize like Russell, and chamberlain it seemed like every

1953
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 4: other night they were playing.

1954
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 2: Each other because.

1955
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,679
Speaker 4: There weren't, thirty teams they didn't get to go against

1956
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 4: the thirtieth best starting center in. The league those guys weren't.

1957
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 4: Out there so it sort of goes.

1958
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 1: Both ways if you had to pick five players to

1959
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 1: make you a, starting five of all the players that

1960
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: you ever coached IN, the nba who would be your?

1961
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 5: Five? PLAYERS oh I mean i.

1962
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 2: WAS lucky i got to coach a lot of. GOOD.

1963
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 4: Dudes o that's a. Tough well wade, For, Sure okay wades.

1964
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 2: For sure. We'll see let me see MY other I

1965
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 2: say wade. For Sure and I'd.

1966
01:36:13,200 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 4: Take dwight now that's a hard One. Over SHACK and

1967
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:18,240
Speaker 4: i Don't think dwight was Better. Than SHAQ but I

1968
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 4: coached shaq in the last year that he averaged twenty. And,

1969
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 4: TEN okay I coached dwhite right in. His PRIME so

1970
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 4: i want to be clear.

1971
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 2: On that I'M not i Don't want shaq jumping all

1972
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 2: over me. Saying that oh, come on you.

1973
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 4: Think, Now, listen shack to me is one of the

1974
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:40,519
Speaker 4: best players this league has. Ever had and, no One,

1975
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:45,720
Speaker 4: not Jordan, not kobe no one made you change your

1976
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 4: entire defense More. Than, shack like you know you'd go to.

1977
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 4: Play that whatever your basic, defense is shit's out. The

1978
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 4: window you ain't doing That. Against, Shack okay like it's

1979
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:00,839
Speaker 4: not going. To work so in a very under passer

1980
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 4: and all. Of THAT so i just want to be

1981
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 4: clear On the, KNUCKLEHEADS podcast i am not trying To

1982
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 4: put dwight up Ahead, of chef BUT when I had

1983
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 4: dwight for longer and when he was younger and in.

1984
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 4: His Prime so I'll take Dwight and wade and then, From,

1985
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 4: there wow it gets. Pretty, TOUGH look i Only coached

1986
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 4: zion for, a year but that, dude's. Unbelievable, UNBELIEVABLE yeah

1987
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 4: i Gotta put zion. In there the tough one for

1988
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 4: me would Be between Shard. And heato that would be

1989
01:37:37,200 --> 01:37:40,160
Speaker 4: a really tough one, for, me right you know. It,

1990
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 4: Would yeah i'd have, Trouble THERE so i might have

1991
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 4: to have a six. Man team and then at, the,

1992
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 4: point OKAY so i could go one of two, ways

1993
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 4: HERE so i Could put jamrr's my Point because jamiir

1994
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 4: was all. STAR level i mean the year he got

1995
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 4: hurt and We brought, skip in he went to.

1996
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 2: The finals.

1997
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 4: JAMIIR was, i mean we Beat the lakers twice that

1998
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:01,640
Speaker 4: year in the, regular season and it was because they

1999
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 4: couldn't keep your mirror out of.

2000
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,800
Speaker 2: The paint they. Could not he was. Crushing THEM so

2001
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:06,599
Speaker 2: i can either put.

2002
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 4: Your mirror at the Point with dwayne at the two

2003
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:13,640
Speaker 4: And either hito or at, the, three RIGHT or i

2004
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 4: play hto at the two at the three and wait

2005
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 4: at the at.

2006
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 2: The POINT so i don't know Which way, i'd go but.

2007
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 1: You can put you can put the white at the

2008
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:25,480
Speaker 1: foe and push seconds.

2009
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 4: WE could, i mean now we have a hard time

2010
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,840
Speaker 4: spacing the floor with that Lineup in zion.

2011
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 6: All as Far, as zion have you ever seen a

2012
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:42,799
Speaker 6: player of package come, like that like if he could somehow,

2013
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 6: Stay healthy like how good can? He?

2014
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 4: BE listen, i mean here's the Thing, with, Zion right

2015
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:52,680
Speaker 4: like you know he's going to the hole, every time you,

2016
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 4: Know it like he's not going to shoot. A jumper

2017
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:58,479
Speaker 4: he doesn't have, a floater he ain't going to eight

2018
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:02,040
Speaker 4: he's going to the rim every time he gets. The

2019
01:39:02,040 --> 01:39:05,719
Speaker 4: ball everybody on both teams knows he's going to the rim.

2020
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 4: Every time he's getting, there anyway like he's getting. There

2021
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 4: anyway and, He's underrated like, people say well his. SKILL level,

2022
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 4: i said oh wait, A, minute yeah he doesn't shoot

2023
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,400
Speaker 4: a lot of jump shots. Or anything but let's not

2024
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:23,799
Speaker 4: forget the. Other skills, great handle really, good passer sees.

2025
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 4: The FLOOR so, i think don't put the skills down to.

2026
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 4: One THING and i think he's really. Really unselfish he

2027
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:37,759
Speaker 4: still struggles at the. DEFENSIVE end I Think willie green's

2028
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 4: done a tremendous job with not, only him their, whole

2029
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 4: team and he's gotten. Better there but he's still a

2030
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:47,760
Speaker 4: little bit of a. Defensive liability but like you, said

2031
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 4: EARLIER if i got a big fellow, back there we'll

2032
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 4: get by.

2033
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 2: With that we'll, Be okay we'll. Be okay, so yeah No.

2034
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:58,439
Speaker 4: ZION is i just hope he can, stay healthy, for

2035
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:01,919
Speaker 4: him For new or and for the, fans man because

2036
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:04,920
Speaker 4: that guy is a, you know you're getting a highlight

2037
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 4: show every single night, with him and he works. At it,

2038
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 4: you know he works. At it it's almost like when

2039
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 4: you look, at him and this IS what i worry

2040
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 4: about with him, Going forward like it's almost like remember

2041
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 4: When d rose came into, The league LIKE sometimes i

2042
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 4: wonder with guys like that if they're almost not too

2043
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:28,920
Speaker 4: explosive for their own, Bodies good like, you know like

2044
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:33,599
Speaker 4: you're exploding like that that many times and coming down

2045
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:38,559
Speaker 4: like it's almost too Much for THAT'S what i, Worry,

2046
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:44,720
Speaker 4: about like can you be that explosive and? Stay HEALTHY

2047
01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:47,559
Speaker 4: like i Remember de rose got hurt against us twice Here,

2048
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,760
Speaker 4: in orlando, you know going up and trying to basically

2049
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:54,120
Speaker 4: Dunk On dwight hell and he getting knocked to, The,

2050
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 4: floor like, well shit if he wasn't, that explosive he

2051
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 4: would have shot, a floater, you know and probably. Been

2052
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:04,080
Speaker 4: healthy so it's almost what makes those guys so exciting

2053
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 4: also makes them really really vulnerable.

2054
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:10,559
Speaker 1: To injury you got to make this coach a, head coach.

2055
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 1: One assistant you got to get rid of one.

2056
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:15,840
Speaker 4: Of, them yes your start sub that's your version, of

2057
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:18,520
Speaker 4: it start. Suber, bench Okay.

2058
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:24,600
Speaker 3: So Greg larry Brown And, don nelson.

2059
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 4: All right well that wouldn't have even been. My Group

2060
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 4: but I'll take i'll, Start pop I'll Bring larry brown

2061
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:34,759
Speaker 4: off the bench and Bench.

2062
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 2: Don nelson they're. All great it's hard. FOR me i

2063
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 2: would just.

2064
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:40,599
Speaker 4: SAY this, I mean pop did it at a high

2065
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:44,280
Speaker 4: level IN the nba for longer and that that means

2066
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:48,760
Speaker 4: a lot. To ME and i Think don nelson was

2067
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,639
Speaker 4: one of the most creative. Coaches ever like my brother

2068
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:54,000
Speaker 4: worked for Him In new york and he said that

2069
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 4: guy's mind, was incredible like, you know just thinking off

2070
01:41:57,320 --> 01:41:59,639
Speaker 4: the top of, his head and, you know we remember,

2071
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:02,600
Speaker 4: to me his greatest coaching job was that Team In

2072
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:04,519
Speaker 4: golden state when they Beat.

2073
01:42:04,600 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 2: The mavericks that was.

2074
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:08,759
Speaker 4: JUST incredible, i mean he's just, a really, really smart.

2075
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:12,760
Speaker 4: Innovative GUY but I Think larry brown was like he

2076
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 4: did it at so many places and at so many

2077
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 4: levels and was, a great great teacher of the GAME

2078
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,240
Speaker 4: that i would put him. In there i'd actually And again,

2079
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:26,680
Speaker 4: i'm BIASED but i think I'd put spoe at the

2080
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 4: top of.

2081
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:27,760
Speaker 5: The list he.

2082
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 4: Know why here's my Thing WITH and I know, i'm biased,

2083
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,720
Speaker 4: all right AND so i also know him better and

2084
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,920
Speaker 4: have seen him. Up close but here's. The THING what

2085
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 4: i think people Forget about spoe Is, pre lebron that

2086
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:47,200
Speaker 4: team was making the playoffs and winning playoff series out

2087
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:51,720
Speaker 4: and You know germaine O'Neill and in that group they

2088
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 4: were winning and Then post lebron they. Stay COMPETITIVE and

2089
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:57,640
Speaker 4: i haven't always been in, the Playoffs but spoe is.

2090
01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:02,679
Speaker 4: LIKE steady i have not seen One of eric's teams

2091
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:06,800
Speaker 4: where you've thought even a little, bit, like wow that

2092
01:43:06,840 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 4: team's got more in them. THAN that i remember to

2093
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:11,640
Speaker 4: one year they, were, Struggling right they were eleven and

2094
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 4: thirty at the halfway point and then went thirty and

2095
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 4: eleven the second half of the.

2096
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:20,840
Speaker 2: Year With, dion waiters and, YOU know, i mean you're,

2097
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:22,320
Speaker 2: just like what's? GOING on, i.

2098
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 4: Mean because he just keeps looking no matter if they're

2099
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 4: really good or not. Good whatever supose able to keep

2100
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:37,120
Speaker 4: his focus on just how are we gonna get better every.

2101
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:40,679
Speaker 4: Single DAY and i had two guys into my, coaching

2102
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:43,360
Speaker 4: career not to put anyone, else down there were two,

2103
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:48,160
Speaker 4: guys who within a month of working with THEM where i, just,

2104
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:52,120
Speaker 4: said oh this dude. Got it One Was sean miller

2105
01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:55,439
Speaker 4: in college and One. Was spoe spoe was our video

2106
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:58,719
Speaker 4: Guy in miami and he would go up and work.

2107
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 4: Guys Out eric spolstra like he's not AN ex, Nba

2108
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:07,679
Speaker 4: player he's just a. Video guy after, one workout guys

2109
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 4: would listen to anything. He said and was the Same

2110
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 4: With sean miller. In college total respect because just What

2111
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 4: pat riley, had said when they know you can, help

2112
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,640
Speaker 4: them you'll have. Their respect and he would go up

2113
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 4: there and be able, to teach and plus he had

2114
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 4: brought great energy, to it and you, just knew and

2115
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:29,960
Speaker 4: he was, so intelligent and it wouldn't have been hard

2116
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 4: for me to predict this kind.

2117
01:44:31,320 --> 01:44:32,320
Speaker 2: Of, career now you never.

2118
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:35,799
Speaker 4: Know if the guy's gonna get the players that allow

2119
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 4: him to win. A championship, you know you, never know

2120
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:42,720
Speaker 4: because there's been some great coaches who've never legitimately had

2121
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 4: that opportunity to win. A championship and SO there i

2122
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 4: think really underrated. As coaches but that part you, couldn't

2123
01:44:51,439 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 4: tell but you knew right off he was going to.

2124
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:56,760
Speaker 4: BE great I Think, keith askins you know who was

2125
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 4: on that staff. WITH us i think those guys would

2126
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,600
Speaker 4: all say the, same, Thing like i'll put him up

2127
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:06,040
Speaker 4: against anybody who's ever been in.

2128
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 5: This, league yeah we usually. Do it biggest.

2129
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:14,120
Speaker 6: Purchase question but coach ain't got nothing for that.

2130
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:13,680
Speaker 2: That would be my.

2131
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:16,120
Speaker 5: House man that's why that's at a?

2132
01:45:16,160 --> 01:45:21,840
Speaker 2: Boat though about a boat in, the pandemic you couldn't do.

2133
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:25,280
Speaker 5: Nothing, ELSE okay i thought.

2134
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 2: A boat i mean. NOTHING fancy i bought a. Pontoon

2135
01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:30,559
Speaker 2: BOAT but i bought it and it. WAS new i still.

2136
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 2: Got it we still go, out there.

2137
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 5: All right that's, a.

2138
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:36,120
Speaker 6: Wrap man we just got a chance to chop it

2139
01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:38,439
Speaker 6: up one of my favorite coaches all. The, Time man

2140
01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:39,639
Speaker 6: we appreciate you putting.

2141
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 2: Up coach absolutely an honor to.

2142
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 6: Be. HERE all i want to thank y'all for your

2143
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:51,000
Speaker 6: continued support Of The. Knuckleheads podcast be sure to give

2144
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:53,400
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2145
01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:55,960
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