Speaker 1: Previously on Happy Face.
Speaker 2: Keith fell in high school. I believe it was twenty
Speaker 2: five feet. When they interview killers, they have found that
Speaker 2: a large percentage of them damaged their front bealob before
Speaker 2: they were twenty two, changes their whole personality.
Speaker 3: Keith's father, Lass was a very resourceful, ingenious man, but
Speaker 3: he could be a monster.
Speaker 2: He was horrible. I hated him less told him, this
Speaker 2: is the way what you're going to say in court
Speaker 2: for the mobile art or absolutely he did.
Speaker 1: He dragged me to a nursing home to visit one
Speaker 1: of his hunting buddies. He said, my friend's smitt. He's
Speaker 1: not doing too good with his lung cancer. Keith talk
Speaker 1: to him, son. Nobody likes to die alone. I never
Speaker 1: feared a dead person after that.
Speaker 3: One of the few people that Keith opened up to
Speaker 3: about his childhood was psychologist al Carlisle swe Can.
Speaker 4: By the age of eight, it was a lot of anger.
Speaker 5: If you do me wrong, I was going to I
Speaker 5: was bound and determined to get even.
Speaker 4: Any learning problems.
Speaker 2: No life for you intelligence.
Speaker 5: I'm very intelligent, but I just didn't adapt myself to it.
Speaker 2: I received a letter a week before he got arrested
Speaker 2: it said, Rose, what I did is bigger than ol J. Simpson,
Speaker 2: that I'll probably be in hell forever, and the bye Keith.
Speaker 6: In love fin with the sun.
Speaker 7: I don't know, shine, oh.
Speaker 4: Oh nice.
Speaker 3: The subconscious mind often knows the truth long before we do.
Speaker 3: I'm Lauren Bright Pacheco, and this is happy face.
Speaker 2: I was driving in a car down the road, and
Speaker 2: this is after your dad and I were separated. Actually
Speaker 2: it was not officially divorce, but we were separated. And
Speaker 2: they had on the news that they were searching for
Speaker 2: the Green River Killer. And I go, hmm, I wonder
Speaker 2: if that's Keith. Why did I say that? But I
Speaker 2: think you internally know things that you don't stake, you
Speaker 2: don't acknowledge, so.
Speaker 4: Intuitively, I just said it out loud. I go, I
Speaker 4: wonder if that's Keith.
Speaker 2: And then I guess, like, oh, why did I think that?
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I think by time we were separated,
Speaker 2: I had so many more pieces of the puzzle, and
Speaker 2: I was starting to connect things, because before it was
Speaker 2: I got a piece here and a piece here. I
Speaker 2: think I got enough pieces that I was beginning.
Speaker 3: To connect it. Melissa also remembers having thoughts she couldn't explain.
Speaker 5: There was a time where I actually had a vision
Speaker 5: of my father behind bars, and there's nobody I could
Speaker 5: tell to because nobody would believe me. It was when
Speaker 5: I was in seventh grade. I was walking to school
Speaker 5: and I had a mental image pop up in my
Speaker 5: mind of my father being behind the glass and having
Speaker 5: a telephone, and my stomach sunk and I felt sorrow
Speaker 5: and sadness. I just remember thinking that was a very
Speaker 5: intense emotion attached to the vision.
Speaker 7: We've gone too far.
Speaker 1: From I the Making of a Serial Killer by Jack Olsen.
Speaker 1: Dawn was coming and pretty soon the traffic could be
Speaker 1: too heavy for me to unload her on the shoulder.
Speaker 1: I thought back to when I first met her and
Speaker 1: loved her and to her for all time. I needed
Speaker 1: to do one more killing and then end this murder
Speaker 1: machine for good. I put my fist against her throat
Speaker 1: for the last time, just before she passed out. I
Speaker 1: told her, you're number eight, and yes, I will get
Speaker 1: away with it. She didn't breathe again.
Speaker 3: It's especially hard for Melissa to process some of her
Speaker 3: seemingly happy memories now, even something as harmless as watching
Speaker 3: television together.
Speaker 5: Growing up with my dad something that we used to
Speaker 5: do together as we used to watch true crime shows,
Speaker 5: even when I was like a young girl. I remember
Speaker 5: him sitting on the brown velvet couch and I would
Speaker 5: crawl up on his lap, and then because he was
Speaker 5: so tall, I would actually crawl up on the back
Speaker 5: of the couch and sit on his shoulders and we
Speaker 5: would watch like Unsolved Mysteries. I remember that was seem
Speaker 5: to be our favorite show, and I would always be
Speaker 5: terrified at the end of the program as a young girl, thinking,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, there's there's a million ways I could
Speaker 5: be abducted, and like just terrified, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Terrified as you're sitting on the yeah, as.
Speaker 5: I'm sitting on the shoulders of my father, thinking I
Speaker 5: hope something like that never happens to me. I hope
Speaker 5: that I know how to keep myself safe. And I
Speaker 5: think that's partially why I watched these programs, as I
Speaker 5: was looking for ways of like what did the victim
Speaker 5: do that could have saved her life. I was analyzing this,
Speaker 5: and ironically, I think my father was analyzing how to
Speaker 5: get away with murder and what tools did the detectives have.
Speaker 5: It is eerie to me to see the time my
Speaker 5: timeline of events in my father's timeline of his murders,
Speaker 5: because there's moments where we were to gather and then
Speaker 5: knowing he had just committed a murder and now was
Speaker 5: taking me to McDonald's like it was nothing. How was
Speaker 5: he able to do that? Soon after my parents' divorce,
Speaker 5: my dad would spend summer vacations with us, and during
Speaker 5: his visitations he would say things.
Speaker 4: That were.
Speaker 5: Or alarming, were odd and bizarre and explicit.
Speaker 3: What and was it targeted towards you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he would target it towards me. I didn't see
Speaker 5: my brother and my sister getting the same treatment. Maybe
Speaker 5: because I'm the oldest I was his confidant.
Speaker 3: It was just.
Speaker 5: Peppered throughout our conversations. These things he would say that
Speaker 5: were startling. He would say, I know how to commit
Speaker 5: the most perfect murder.
Speaker 3: How old were you?
Speaker 5: I was a young woman. I was in my early teens,
Speaker 5: and I remember thinking this is odd, but it was
Speaker 5: one of the first times I heard him say something
Speaker 5: like that. He would say, I would cut the buttons
Speaker 5: off of her jeans so that my fingerprints wouldn't be
Speaker 5: on them. I would then wear my cycling shoes so
Speaker 5: that I wouldn't leave a soule print in the dirt,
Speaker 5: and then I would make sure her belongings were other places.
Speaker 1: From I the Creation of a Serial Killer by Jack Olsen,
Speaker 1: I drove to a spot on the downhill side of
Speaker 1: Highway fourteen on the Washington State side of the Columbia Gorge,
Speaker 1: across the river from where I threw Tanya Bennett's body
Speaker 1: in Oregon. I carried her over past a guardrail in
Speaker 1: some garbage sacks and pitched her down a fifteen foot embankment.
Speaker 1: I stared at her crumpled body in the weeds and thought,
Speaker 1: how she'd only lasted five days with me. What a waste.
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety five, the year Keith Jesperson was arrested, was
Speaker 3: already an incredibly traumatic one for Melissa for a variety
Speaker 3: of reasons. To get further insight into what she was
Speaker 3: going through, we traveled to meet with her high school
Speaker 3: boyfriend Nick.
Speaker 5: We're close to Shadele, so this is where I went
Speaker 5: to high school in nineteen ninety five. When I heard
Speaker 5: the news about my dad, I was going to the
Speaker 5: school and I was dating a guy named Nick. He
Speaker 5: was actually my first boyfriend. When I started my freshman
Speaker 5: year here he was in my English class, and he
Speaker 5: was just actually kind of simuch to my dad in
Speaker 5: the sense that he was a jokester. He was funny,
Speaker 5: everybody laughed, he was charismatic. He just seemed to an edge,
Speaker 5: and like I thought that he was a misunderstood person.
Speaker 5: I was out to prove that people didn't get him right.
Speaker 5: And my friends and everybody said that he's bad news.
Speaker 5: But he had been arrested. I had heard rumors about
Speaker 5: drug deals. He had a pager. He had money all
Speaker 5: the time, cash all the time. He had a money
Speaker 5: club with lots of one hundred dollars bills.
Speaker 6: I found that appealing.
Speaker 5: He asked me to dance that fall, and before I
Speaker 5: knew it, he just became a part of my life,
Speaker 5: you know. And I got pregnant. I got pregnant my
Speaker 5: freshman year. Something was off with my body, and I
Speaker 5: could just tell something was up, and so I got
Speaker 5: a pregnancy test and I went into the bathroom stall
Speaker 5: here at Shadle, right here. It was after classes, and
Speaker 5: the pregnancy test turned positive, and I was alone and thinking,
Speaker 5: holy shit.
Speaker 4: Like what do I do?
Speaker 3: How did he react to finding out you were pregnant.
Speaker 6: Not well, not well at all.
Speaker 5: He didn't handle it well. I mean, like he's a
Speaker 5: teenage boy too, so like I'll give him that. But
Speaker 5: I didn't handle it well either. I was in panic
Speaker 5: mode at that point. Once I found I was pregnant,
Speaker 5: I was terrified. I had no idea what to do.
Speaker 5: I couldn't tell my mom. I felt like if I
Speaker 5: told my mom, she would think I was a whore.
Speaker 5: And so right after I found out that was pregnant
Speaker 5: is when the news hit about my dad.
Speaker 3: With her mother and siblings living in poverty, Melissa found
Speaker 3: herself once again, back in her grandmother's basement, young and
Speaker 3: scared and having to face a really difficult choice.
Speaker 6: You only have believe it's twelve weeks, and every week
Speaker 6: that would pass, it was just like getting closer to
Speaker 6: that deadline and the pressure is building.
Speaker 5: But also at the same time, while I was going
Speaker 5: through that, I was learning about my dad and his
Speaker 5: crimes and now we're living in the basement of my
Speaker 5: grandmother's house. That's where Nick actually became a really critical
Speaker 5: part in my.
Speaker 6: Life because he had a car.
Speaker 5: He would actually come to the north side of town
Speaker 5: and come pick me up and take me to school.
Speaker 5: He made it so much more convenient to get to school,
Speaker 5: and I was in my relationship with him. It was a
Speaker 5: very dysfunctional relationship. It was extreme highs and lows, and
Speaker 5: when things were good, they were good. When things were
Speaker 5: bad they were extremely bad. Physical and he was very
Speaker 5: possessive of me. He would hold my when we walk
Speaker 5: around high school. He would hold my belt loop and
Speaker 5: just like he always had his hands on me, was
Speaker 5: always claiming me with his space. And we were constantly
Speaker 5: together and never had a break. It was a very
Speaker 5: codepententent abusive relationship. I would say.
Speaker 1: From I the Creation of a Serial Killer by Jack Olsen,
Speaker 1: I went back to my truck and rehearsed the lies
Speaker 1: I planned to tell when I was arrested. I took
Speaker 1: myself back to when I killed Tanya and tried to
Speaker 1: figure out what made me cross the line into murder.
Speaker 1: Was it the things I read about in the detective magazines,
Speaker 1: arson animal abuse that I killed to make up for
Speaker 1: a wasted life, for my own fuck ups. Was it
Speaker 1: dad's fault, my brother's, my mother's. It was too easy
Speaker 1: to blame the rest of the family. Maybe I was
Speaker 1: just a no good son of a bitch that got
Speaker 1: off on killing women. Maybe it was my nature.
Speaker 5: I was living a nightmare and it became my only
Speaker 5: option in my mind. When I came home one day
Speaker 5: saw my sleeping bag on the cot and thought, a
Speaker 5: crib does not fit here next to a cot. I
Speaker 5: just couldn't see it, and that's when the choice was
Speaker 5: made for me. I don't see how a baby bed
Speaker 5: could be right there, and it couldn't bear the thought
Speaker 5: of being financially dependent on Nick or welfare like my
Speaker 5: mom was. So I felt like the only option for
Speaker 5: me to break out of this poverty was to not
Speaker 5: have the baby. If anybody says nineteen ninety five, some
Speaker 5: people will think, oh Jay Simpson. Some people will think
Speaker 5: you know Menanda's brothers or something like that. I think
Speaker 5: of the time I was in that dark bathroom stall,
Speaker 5: seeing I was pregnant and the news hitting of my
Speaker 5: dad and losing everything in my life. I really thought
Speaker 5: everything was against me.
Speaker 3: As Melissa began to put the pieces of her past
Speaker 3: back together after more than twenty years, she decided to
Speaker 3: visit Nick, maybe to confront him, maybe foreclosure. It was
Speaker 3: hard to tell, maybe just to remember.
Speaker 5: How far away from the house.
Speaker 3: We're just about a minute a walk.
Speaker 5: Okay, I just haven't seen him for at least twenty years.
Speaker 5: I'm so nervous. Your destination is on the left.
Speaker 6: Oh right now, right there.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a cute house. Oh there he is on
Speaker 5: the fort. Oh my god, he sees us. Okay, he's
Speaker 5: dressed nice too. Okay, Hey, Nick, how are you a
Speaker 5: long time?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: See, I'll go to say so. Thanks for agreeing it.
Speaker 8: Thanks.
Speaker 6: So is the SR place?
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll go.
Speaker 3: Melissa didn't think that Nick would sit down and meet
Speaker 3: with her, and when I called him and reached out,
Speaker 3: he immediately responded with such positivity. The first thing you
Speaker 3: thought of when you walked through the door was it
Speaker 3: was so bright and cheerful and didn't look like a
Speaker 3: bachelor pad at all. The house was spotless, almost as
Speaker 3: if it were staged for a real estate photo.
Speaker 4: I've got lots of spare room because I'm hoping to
Speaker 4: get my kids coming soon. I'm working on it, working
Speaker 4: on getting here.
Speaker 3: There was something very tidy and cheerful about the house,
Speaker 3: and something very sad too, because you could feel the
Speaker 3: absence of his kids. It's like he had built this
Speaker 3: house for his children to enjoy, and they weren't there, so.
Speaker 4: State, No, they're with their mom right now. And it's
Speaker 4: a long story. I was married for seven years, have
Speaker 4: four kids, and all I want is my weekends, and
Speaker 4: I just want the kids to know that I've been
Speaker 4: trying and then I never stopped and I've never given up.
Speaker 4: And whatever their mom says to them, they're going to
Speaker 4: know something else someday too. And that's about all I
Speaker 4: want to say about it right now, because it's it's
Speaker 4: a mess. Sorry about that. Oh, it's okay, and life
Speaker 4: and life happens. So yeah, And then I got one
Speaker 4: more spot.
Speaker 3: At the end of the tour. We settled down at
Speaker 3: this impeccably clean dining room table to talk about his
Speaker 3: pastor with Morssa.
Speaker 4: Do you remember my members a little glory me too
Speaker 4: on some of that.
Speaker 5: What do you remember from maybe just maybe you could
Speaker 5: just tell me what you remember of that time frame?
Speaker 4: And then well, I remember one day you just coming
Speaker 4: out and telling me that there was something about your
Speaker 4: dad you wanted to tell me, and you weren't sure
Speaker 4: if if the information was true or what to believe,
Speaker 4: and you told me what you knew. It was shocking
Speaker 4: to me, but I didn't know what to say or
Speaker 4: what to do to help you.
Speaker 5: Time one murder, it was Julie Winningham, I didn't even
Speaker 5: know her name yet, and we went to the library.
Speaker 4: We did several times and we would look up the
Speaker 4: articles and I remember you had said you weren't sure
Speaker 4: what to believe in it was shocking, and you also
Speaker 4: had heard it after he was arrested. He had wrote
Speaker 4: a letter to his family that had stuff in it
Speaker 4: that you didn't get to know what was in it,
Speaker 4: but you heard that he had made a lot of
Speaker 4: statements that would have would be admissions. And I didn't
Speaker 4: know what to think either. Yeah, we were just young.
Speaker 5: I was fifteen. How old were you seen fifteen as well?
Speaker 4: Both age. I remember just being stunned. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: what to believe.
Speaker 5: Well, I just I trust to do and I didn't
Speaker 5: feel judgment from you about it at all. Well. I
Speaker 5: remember one paper in particular, there was a statement from
Speaker 5: the son of Julie Winningham, the victim, that was towards
Speaker 5: the end, towards the trial, and that was pretty devastating
Speaker 5: where he talked about obviously he's torn up and devastated,
Speaker 5: rightfully so, and wanted my dad to be killed, like
Speaker 5: he wanted him dead. And I remember thinking, like, this
Speaker 5: is really hard. At the time, you know, it was
Speaker 5: a transition, like I still loved my dad and was
Speaker 5: trying to figure out how to reconcile my mind these
Speaker 5: crimes and then also wanted to not believe it, and
Speaker 5: then reading that was hard.
Speaker 4: So that's what I remember, just as you said it.
Speaker 4: And it was hard to help you in any way
Speaker 4: other than just kind of being your friend to listen
Speaker 4: and be there if I could. You didn't want to
Speaker 4: believe it. I remember that out of all of the
Speaker 4: talking that we did, most of it you didn't want
Speaker 4: it to be true.
Speaker 3: Do you remember meeting him?
Speaker 4: Yes, once. He was a real nice guy, just calming
Speaker 4: and there was nothing, nothing to abnormal at all about him.
Speaker 4: And I didn't realize.
Speaker 5: Because you were my boyfriend at the time, no or
Speaker 5: was he just like nobody.
Speaker 4: Pulled me into the kitchen and asked me, you know
Speaker 4: how I felt about you.
Speaker 9: And I really, yeah, I remember that, and I told
Speaker 9: him that I cared about you a lot and you
Speaker 9: were really cool, and uh, I just told him that
Speaker 9: it was nice to meet him, and I thanked him
Speaker 9: and I tried to keep it.
Speaker 4: Cool, yeah, because you know I was nervous. You know,
Speaker 4: I've never met him before. But he didn't didn't immediate
Speaker 4: me at all. He didn't scare me in any way.
Speaker 4: I didn't feel any Why would I have.
Speaker 1: From The Oregonian March twenty ninth, nineteen ninety five by
Speaker 1: John Painter Junior, a long haul trucker told a Clark
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office detective by phone that he strangled Julianne Winningham,
Speaker 1: forty one, while raping her in the sleeper cap with
Speaker 1: his rig after gagging her with duct tape. During the autopsy,
Speaker 1: smokelike stains were found on parts of her body, suggesting
Speaker 1: the corpse had been hauled around before being dumped. Keith H. Jesperson,
Speaker 1: forty made his admission Friday to Detective Rick Buckner in
Speaker 1: a telephone conversation. In an earlier phone message to Buckner
Speaker 1: on Thursday, Jessperson, who is six feet six inches tall
Speaker 1: and weighs two hundred and fifty pounds, that he'd tried
Speaker 1: to kill himself a couple of times and it hasn't worked.
Speaker 1: Not enough pills in the damn country.
Speaker 3: While Melissa has very strong recollections about what transpired between
Speaker 3: her and Nick, Nick's memories are much more fond and kinder.
Speaker 3: What becomes clear is that they went through a very
Speaker 3: difficult situation as two young teenagers and it's still hard
Speaker 3: as adults.
Speaker 5: Something that I haven't really talked about a lot, though,
Speaker 5: is that we got pregnant.
Speaker 4: Do you remember that? Yes, And I haven't talked to
Speaker 4: anybody about that. I tried not to think about it then,
Speaker 4: and it came back years later. I mean, I had
Speaker 4: a lot of emotions that came from it, and it
Speaker 4: was when I had children later that's when things came back,
Speaker 4: and that's when I started thinking about it again because
Speaker 4: I would get too much emotions to think about it.
Speaker 4: So I didn't and I probably should have. Now looking
Speaker 4: back on it, I wish I would have go with
Speaker 4: it better and maybe talk to you more about our options.
Speaker 4: And I don't know, I have.
Speaker 5: No blame, Like we're young kids.
Speaker 4: Is there a physical side to your relationship?
Speaker 8: There was a couple of incidents, do you remember, what
Speaker 8: do you mean? Like we were we had kind of
Speaker 8: a violent relationship a little bit. There are some aspects
Speaker 8: that were were not healthy.
Speaker 4: Probably arguing more than we should about certain things, not
Speaker 4: knowing how to talk about it. Yeah, yeah, I remember
Speaker 4: we had some some heated discussions about what we know,
Speaker 4: what we wanted to do, and how we were going
Speaker 4: to move forward. I do remember that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you think this was out of fear? Yeah? Probably.
Speaker 3: You could tell that there was a pain, a hesitation
Speaker 3: when Nick spoke about his own emotions regarding Melissa's pregnancy,
Speaker 3: and it seemed like it was something that deeply bothered
Speaker 3: him even now. Did you follow her father's case at
Speaker 3: all over the years, do you remember?
Speaker 4: No? I didn't, only only because I was dealing with
Speaker 4: my own emotions about stuff with her and I then
Speaker 4: at that time I hadn't processed all the way yet. Anyways,
Speaker 4: The last time I really thought about you, though, mostly
Speaker 4: was when I was first married and had my first kid.
Speaker 4: I was talking to my wife about you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got it, I got it.
Speaker 4: I won't forget those those times. It's going to be
Speaker 4: with me forever. Of course, it was a It was
Speaker 4: an impact on my life too. Yeah, And like I
Speaker 4: told you, I cared about you. So you were one
Speaker 4: that one that got away for.
Speaker 1: Me from I The Making of a Serial Killer by
Speaker 1: Jack Olsen. My fourteen year old son Jason and my
Speaker 1: fifteen year old daughter Melissa visited me through glass, and
Speaker 1: it only made things worse. The phone connection was bad
Speaker 1: and the guards rushed me away before we really started talking.
Speaker 1: I cried as they led me off. I felt sorry
Speaker 1: that my kids had to see me this way. I
Speaker 1: couldn't even tell them I loved them. I had a
Speaker 1: feeling I wouldn't see them again.
Speaker 3: After we left, we spoke a bit about what it
Speaker 3: was like for Melissa to see Nick again and what
Speaker 3: she took away from meeting with him.
Speaker 5: I could tell you didn't want to talk about that.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 5: You always tell me hurt people hurt, and I'm starting
Speaker 5: to see maybe where his hurt came from. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: I want I want the best for everybody. I want
Speaker 5: people to be I want to think that people could
Speaker 5: be reformed. I want to think that good things gonna
Speaker 5: happen to people, and that there is redemption, there are changes,
Speaker 5: there are like you know, I want to believe in that,
Speaker 5: and if it's possible, then I hope he gets that.
Speaker 1: This ah, this moment from the Salt Lake City Tribune,
Speaker 1: August twenty first, nineteen ninety five. When Julie smiled, it
Speaker 1: was like sunshine came out of her mouth. She just
Speaker 1: loved everybody and everything. Her sister Joni says in an
Speaker 1: interview trucking was her way of life, and she wanted
Speaker 1: to die on the road, but not like this, not
Speaker 1: to be killed by some monster. With all the evidence
Speaker 1: against me, it looks like I'm truly a black sheep.
Speaker 1: His March twenty fourth letter reads, I'm sure they will
Speaker 1: kill me for this. I'm sorry that I turned out
Speaker 1: this way, he scrawled, I've been a killer for five
Speaker 1: years and have killed eight people, assaulted more. I guess
Speaker 1: I haven't learned anything.
Speaker 7: I can see A spoke by afraid to be.
Speaker 5: When I found out I was pregnant and all that
Speaker 5: was happening, and I decided I was going to have
Speaker 5: an abortion. I told myself, this is going to be
Speaker 5: a second chance in life. I'm gonna turn my life
Speaker 5: around and everything's gonna be very intentional. I'm gonna come
Speaker 5: up with a plan. And I promised myself I was
Speaker 5: going to graduate high school, which I was the first
Speaker 5: in my family to graduate, and I was going to
Speaker 5: go to college, and I was going to get an
Speaker 5: education so that I never have to live like this
Speaker 5: ever again, and never be dependent upon a man ever again.
Speaker 5: And I told myself I was going to start over
Speaker 5: with my life.
Speaker 3: Your dad's in prison at the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Because I didn't have anybody to talk to, and
Speaker 5: I didn't want to tell my mom, I wrote him
Speaker 5: a letter and I said, I vented out like all
Speaker 5: of my anger about what he did to our family
Speaker 5: and to the victims families, and how much he's hurt everybody,
Speaker 5: and that like I'm about my sorrow. I explained how
Speaker 5: alone I felt to my sorrow. I remember the letter
Speaker 5: being tear soaked. I sobbed and released everything that happened
Speaker 5: to me. I told him I was an abusive relationship,
Speaker 5: that I got pregnant, that I made the difficult choice
Speaker 5: during the time of his incarceration to have an abortion.
Speaker 5: My biggest fear is that I can be like my father.
Speaker 5: I look like my father. Every night in the woods,
Speaker 5: I wonder about DNA.
Speaker 4: Sits alone, someome fight.
Speaker 5: I know I'm not capable of murder. I know that
Speaker 5: I could never cross that line.
Speaker 7: And he screams money.
Speaker 6: And so I was surprised.
Speaker 5: A couple months later, I got a letter from my
Speaker 5: dad back in response.
Speaker 4: And the sound feels oh.
Speaker 5: And when I open up a letter, first he he
Speaker 5: mocks me for feeling sorry for myself. That's the first
Speaker 5: part of the letter. It's just like I'm having a
Speaker 5: pity party. And then the second part of the letter,
Speaker 5: he said, I deserve to be in prison with me.
Speaker 6: You're a killer just like me.
Speaker 1: Happy Face is a production of How Stuff Works. Executive
Speaker 1: producers are Melissa Moore, Lauren Bright, Pacheco, Mangesha Ticketer, and
Speaker 1: Will Pearson. Supervising producer is Noel Brown. Music by Claire Campbell,
Speaker 1: Paige Campbell and Hope for a Golden Summer. Story editor
Speaker 1: is Matt Riddle. Audio editing by Chandler Mays and Noel Brown.
Speaker 1: Assistant editor is Taylor Chiquoyne.