1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Previously on Happy Face. 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 2: Keith fell in high school. I believe it was twenty 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: five feet. When they interview killers, they have found that 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: a large percentage of them damaged their front bealob before 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: they were twenty two, changes their whole personality. 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 3: Keith's father, Lass was a very resourceful, ingenious man, but 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 3: he could be a monster. 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: He was horrible. I hated him less told him, this 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 2: is the way what you're going to say in court 10 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: for the mobile art or absolutely he did. 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: He dragged me to a nursing home to visit one 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: of his hunting buddies. He said, my friend's smitt. He's 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: not doing too good with his lung cancer. Keith talk 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: to him, son. Nobody likes to die alone. I never 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: feared a dead person after that. 16 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 3: One of the few people that Keith opened up to 17 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: about his childhood was psychologist al Carlisle swe Can. 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 4: By the age of eight, it was a lot of anger. 19 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 5: If you do me wrong, I was going to I 20 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 5: was bound and determined to get even. 21 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 4: Any learning problems. 22 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: No life for you intelligence. 23 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 5: I'm very intelligent, but I just didn't adapt myself to it. 24 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 2: I received a letter a week before he got arrested 25 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 2: it said, Rose, what I did is bigger than ol J. Simpson, 26 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: that I'll probably be in hell forever, and the bye Keith. 27 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 6: In love fin with the sun. 28 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 7: I don't know, shine, oh. 29 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 4: Oh nice. 30 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: The subconscious mind often knows the truth long before we do. 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: I'm Lauren Bright Pacheco, and this is happy face. 32 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: I was driving in a car down the road, and 33 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: this is after your dad and I were separated. Actually 34 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: it was not officially divorce, but we were separated. And 35 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: they had on the news that they were searching for 36 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: the Green River Killer. And I go, hmm, I wonder 37 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: if that's Keith. Why did I say that? But I 38 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: think you internally know things that you don't stake, you 39 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: don't acknowledge, so. 40 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 4: Intuitively, I just said it out loud. I go, I 41 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 4: wonder if that's Keith. 42 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: And then I guess, like, oh, why did I think that? 43 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, because I think by time we were separated, 44 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: I had so many more pieces of the puzzle, and 45 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: I was starting to connect things, because before it was 46 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: I got a piece here and a piece here. I 47 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 2: think I got enough pieces that I was beginning. 48 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 3: To connect it. Melissa also remembers having thoughts she couldn't explain. 49 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 5: There was a time where I actually had a vision 50 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 5: of my father behind bars, and there's nobody I could 51 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 5: tell to because nobody would believe me. It was when 52 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 5: I was in seventh grade. I was walking to school 53 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 5: and I had a mental image pop up in my 54 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 5: mind of my father being behind the glass and having 55 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 5: a telephone, and my stomach sunk and I felt sorrow 56 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 5: and sadness. I just remember thinking that was a very 57 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 5: intense emotion attached to the vision. 58 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 7: We've gone too far. 59 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: From I the Making of a Serial Killer by Jack Olsen. 60 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: Dawn was coming and pretty soon the traffic could be 61 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: too heavy for me to unload her on the shoulder. 62 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: I thought back to when I first met her and 63 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: loved her and to her for all time. I needed 64 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: to do one more killing and then end this murder 65 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: machine for good. I put my fist against her throat 66 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: for the last time, just before she passed out. I 67 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: told her, you're number eight, and yes, I will get 68 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,559 Speaker 1: away with it. She didn't breathe again. 69 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 3: It's especially hard for Melissa to process some of her 70 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 3: seemingly happy memories now, even something as harmless as watching 71 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: television together. 72 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 5: Growing up with my dad something that we used to 73 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 5: do together as we used to watch true crime shows, 74 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 5: even when I was like a young girl. I remember 75 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 5: him sitting on the brown velvet couch and I would 76 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 5: crawl up on his lap, and then because he was 77 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 5: so tall, I would actually crawl up on the back 78 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 5: of the couch and sit on his shoulders and we 79 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 5: would watch like Unsolved Mysteries. I remember that was seem 80 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 5: to be our favorite show, and I would always be 81 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 5: terrified at the end of the program as a young girl, thinking, 82 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 5: oh my gosh, there's there's a million ways I could 83 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 5: be abducted, and like just terrified, absolutely. 84 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 3: Terrified as you're sitting on the yeah, as. 85 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 5: I'm sitting on the shoulders of my father, thinking I 86 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 5: hope something like that never happens to me. I hope 87 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 5: that I know how to keep myself safe. And I 88 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 5: think that's partially why I watched these programs, as I 89 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 5: was looking for ways of like what did the victim 90 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 5: do that could have saved her life. I was analyzing this, 91 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 5: and ironically, I think my father was analyzing how to 92 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 5: get away with murder and what tools did the detectives have. 93 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 5: It is eerie to me to see the time my 94 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 5: timeline of events in my father's timeline of his murders, 95 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 5: because there's moments where we were to gather and then 96 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 5: knowing he had just committed a murder and now was 97 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 5: taking me to McDonald's like it was nothing. How was 98 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 5: he able to do that? Soon after my parents' divorce, 99 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 5: my dad would spend summer vacations with us, and during 100 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 5: his visitations he would say things. 101 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 4: That were. 102 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 5: Or alarming, were odd and bizarre and explicit. 103 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: What and was it targeted towards you? 104 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, he would target it towards me. I didn't see 105 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 5: my brother and my sister getting the same treatment. Maybe 106 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 5: because I'm the oldest I was his confidant. 107 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: It was just. 108 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 5: Peppered throughout our conversations. These things he would say that 109 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,559 Speaker 5: were startling. He would say, I know how to commit 110 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 5: the most perfect murder. 111 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 3: How old were you? 112 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 5: I was a young woman. I was in my early teens, 113 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 5: and I remember thinking this is odd, but it was 114 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 5: one of the first times I heard him say something 115 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 5: like that. He would say, I would cut the buttons 116 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 5: off of her jeans so that my fingerprints wouldn't be 117 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 5: on them. I would then wear my cycling shoes so 118 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 5: that I wouldn't leave a soule print in the dirt, 119 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:30,559 Speaker 5: and then I would make sure her belongings were other places. 120 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: From I the Creation of a Serial Killer by Jack Olsen, 121 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: I drove to a spot on the downhill side of 122 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: Highway fourteen on the Washington State side of the Columbia Gorge, 123 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: across the river from where I threw Tanya Bennett's body 124 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: in Oregon. I carried her over past a guardrail in 125 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: some garbage sacks and pitched her down a fifteen foot embankment. 126 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: I stared at her crumpled body in the weeds and thought, 127 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: how she'd only lasted five days with me. What a waste. 128 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety five, the year Keith Jesperson was arrested, was 129 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: already an incredibly traumatic one for Melissa for a variety 130 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: of reasons. To get further insight into what she was 131 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: going through, we traveled to meet with her high school 132 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: boyfriend Nick. 133 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 5: We're close to Shadele, so this is where I went 134 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 5: to high school in nineteen ninety five. When I heard 135 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 5: the news about my dad, I was going to the 136 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 5: school and I was dating a guy named Nick. He 137 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 5: was actually my first boyfriend. When I started my freshman 138 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 5: year here he was in my English class, and he 139 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 5: was just actually kind of simuch to my dad in 140 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 5: the sense that he was a jokester. He was funny, 141 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 5: everybody laughed, he was charismatic. He just seemed to an edge, 142 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 5: and like I thought that he was a misunderstood person. 143 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 5: I was out to prove that people didn't get him right. 144 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 5: And my friends and everybody said that he's bad news. 145 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 5: But he had been arrested. I had heard rumors about 146 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 5: drug deals. He had a pager. He had money all 147 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 5: the time, cash all the time. He had a money 148 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 5: club with lots of one hundred dollars bills. 149 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 6: I found that appealing. 150 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 5: He asked me to dance that fall, and before I 151 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 5: knew it, he just became a part of my life, 152 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 5: you know. And I got pregnant. I got pregnant my 153 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 5: freshman year. Something was off with my body, and I 154 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 5: could just tell something was up, and so I got 155 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 5: a pregnancy test and I went into the bathroom stall 156 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 5: here at Shadle, right here. It was after classes, and 157 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 5: the pregnancy test turned positive, and I was alone and thinking, 158 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 5: holy shit. 159 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 4: Like what do I do? 160 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: How did he react to finding out you were pregnant. 161 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 6: Not well, not well at all. 162 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 5: He didn't handle it well. I mean, like he's a 163 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 5: teenage boy too, so like I'll give him that. But 164 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 5: I didn't handle it well either. I was in panic 165 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 5: mode at that point. Once I found I was pregnant, 166 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 5: I was terrified. I had no idea what to do. 167 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 5: I couldn't tell my mom. I felt like if I 168 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 5: told my mom, she would think I was a whore. 169 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 5: And so right after I found out that was pregnant 170 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 5: is when the news hit about my dad. 171 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 3: With her mother and siblings living in poverty, Melissa found 172 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 3: herself once again, back in her grandmother's basement, young and 173 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 3: scared and having to face a really difficult choice. 174 00:10:54,760 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 6: You only have believe it's twelve weeks, and every week 175 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 6: that would pass, it was just like getting closer to 176 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 6: that deadline and the pressure is building. 177 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 5: But also at the same time, while I was going 178 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 5: through that, I was learning about my dad and his 179 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 5: crimes and now we're living in the basement of my 180 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 5: grandmother's house. That's where Nick actually became a really critical 181 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 5: part in my. 182 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 6: Life because he had a car. 183 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 5: He would actually come to the north side of town 184 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 5: and come pick me up and take me to school. 185 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 5: He made it so much more convenient to get to school, 186 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 5: and I was in my relationship with him. It was a 187 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 5: very dysfunctional relationship. It was extreme highs and lows, and 188 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 5: when things were good, they were good. When things were 189 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 5: bad they were extremely bad. Physical and he was very 190 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 5: possessive of me. He would hold my when we walk 191 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 5: around high school. He would hold my belt loop and 192 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 5: just like he always had his hands on me, was 193 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 5: always claiming me with his space. And we were constantly 194 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 5: together and never had a break. It was a very 195 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 5: codepententent abusive relationship. I would say. 196 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: From I the Creation of a Serial Killer by Jack Olsen, 197 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: I went back to my truck and rehearsed the lies 198 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: I planned to tell when I was arrested. I took 199 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: myself back to when I killed Tanya and tried to 200 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: figure out what made me cross the line into murder. 201 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: Was it the things I read about in the detective magazines, 202 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: arson animal abuse that I killed to make up for 203 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: a wasted life, for my own fuck ups. Was it 204 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: dad's fault, my brother's, my mother's. It was too easy 205 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: to blame the rest of the family. Maybe I was 206 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: just a no good son of a bitch that got 207 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: off on killing women. Maybe it was my nature. 208 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 5: I was living a nightmare and it became my only 209 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 5: option in my mind. When I came home one day 210 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 5: saw my sleeping bag on the cot and thought, a 211 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 5: crib does not fit here next to a cot. I 212 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 5: just couldn't see it, and that's when the choice was 213 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 5: made for me. I don't see how a baby bed 214 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 5: could be right there, and it couldn't bear the thought 215 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 5: of being financially dependent on Nick or welfare like my 216 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 5: mom was. So I felt like the only option for 217 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 5: me to break out of this poverty was to not 218 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 5: have the baby. If anybody says nineteen ninety five, some 219 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 5: people will think, oh Jay Simpson. Some people will think 220 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 5: you know Menanda's brothers or something like that. I think 221 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 5: of the time I was in that dark bathroom stall, 222 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 5: seeing I was pregnant and the news hitting of my 223 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 5: dad and losing everything in my life. I really thought 224 00:13:58,440 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 5: everything was against me. 225 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 3: As Melissa began to put the pieces of her past 226 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 3: back together after more than twenty years, she decided to 227 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: visit Nick, maybe to confront him, maybe foreclosure. It was 228 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 3: hard to tell, maybe just to remember. 229 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 5: How far away from the house. 230 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: We're just about a minute a walk. 231 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 5: Okay, I just haven't seen him for at least twenty years. 232 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 5: I'm so nervous. Your destination is on the left. 233 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,479 Speaker 6: Oh right now, right there. 234 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 5: Well, it's a cute house. Oh there he is on 235 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 5: the fort. Oh my god, he sees us. Okay, he's 236 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 5: dressed nice too. Okay, Hey, Nick, how are you a 237 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 5: long time? 238 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 3: No? 239 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 5: See, I'll go to say so. Thanks for agreeing it. 240 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 8: Thanks. 241 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 6: So is the SR place? 242 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll go. 243 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 3: Melissa didn't think that Nick would sit down and meet 244 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 3: with her, and when I called him and reached out, 245 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 3: he immediately responded with such positivity. The first thing you 246 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: thought of when you walked through the door was it 247 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 3: was so bright and cheerful and didn't look like a 248 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 3: bachelor pad at all. The house was spotless, almost as 249 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: if it were staged for a real estate photo. 250 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 4: I've got lots of spare room because I'm hoping to 251 00:15:54,920 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 4: get my kids coming soon. I'm working on it, working 252 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 4: on getting here. 253 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 3: There was something very tidy and cheerful about the house, 254 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 3: and something very sad too, because you could feel the 255 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 3: absence of his kids. It's like he had built this 256 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: house for his children to enjoy, and they weren't there, so. 257 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 4: State, No, they're with their mom right now. And it's 258 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 4: a long story. I was married for seven years, have 259 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 4: four kids, and all I want is my weekends, and 260 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 4: I just want the kids to know that I've been 261 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 4: trying and then I never stopped and I've never given up. 262 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 4: And whatever their mom says to them, they're going to 263 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 4: know something else someday too. And that's about all I 264 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 4: want to say about it right now, because it's it's 265 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 4: a mess. Sorry about that. Oh, it's okay, and life 266 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 4: and life happens. So yeah, And then I got one 267 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 4: more spot. 268 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 3: At the end of the tour. We settled down at 269 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 3: this impeccably clean dining room table to talk about his 270 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: pastor with Morssa. 271 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 4: Do you remember my members a little glory me too 272 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 4: on some of that. 273 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 5: What do you remember from maybe just maybe you could 274 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 5: just tell me what you remember of that time frame? 275 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 4: And then well, I remember one day you just coming 276 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 4: out and telling me that there was something about your 277 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 4: dad you wanted to tell me, and you weren't sure 278 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 4: if if the information was true or what to believe, 279 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 4: and you told me what you knew. It was shocking 280 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 4: to me, but I didn't know what to say or 281 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 4: what to do to help you. 282 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 5: Time one murder, it was Julie Winningham, I didn't even 283 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 5: know her name yet, and we went to the library. 284 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 4: We did several times and we would look up the 285 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 4: articles and I remember you had said you weren't sure 286 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 4: what to believe in it was shocking, and you also 287 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 4: had heard it after he was arrested. He had wrote 288 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 4: a letter to his family that had stuff in it 289 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 4: that you didn't get to know what was in it, 290 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 4: but you heard that he had made a lot of 291 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 4: statements that would have would be admissions. And I didn't 292 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 4: know what to think either. Yeah, we were just young. 293 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 5: I was fifteen. How old were you seen fifteen as well? 294 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 4: Both age. I remember just being stunned. I'm not sure 295 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 4: what to believe. 296 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 5: Well, I just I trust to do and I didn't 297 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 5: feel judgment from you about it at all. Well. I 298 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 5: remember one paper in particular, there was a statement from 299 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 5: the son of Julie Winningham, the victim, that was towards 300 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 5: the end, towards the trial, and that was pretty devastating 301 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 5: where he talked about obviously he's torn up and devastated, 302 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 5: rightfully so, and wanted my dad to be killed, like 303 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 5: he wanted him dead. And I remember thinking, like, this 304 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 5: is really hard. At the time, you know, it was 305 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 5: a transition, like I still loved my dad and was 306 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 5: trying to figure out how to reconcile my mind these 307 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 5: crimes and then also wanted to not believe it, and 308 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 5: then reading that was hard. 309 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 4: So that's what I remember, just as you said it. 310 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 4: And it was hard to help you in any way 311 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 4: other than just kind of being your friend to listen 312 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 4: and be there if I could. You didn't want to 313 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 4: believe it. I remember that out of all of the 314 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 4: talking that we did, most of it you didn't want 315 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 4: it to be true. 316 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 3: Do you remember meeting him? 317 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 4: Yes, once. He was a real nice guy, just calming 318 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 4: and there was nothing, nothing to abnormal at all about him. 319 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 4: And I didn't realize. 320 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 5: Because you were my boyfriend at the time, no or 321 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 5: was he just like nobody. 322 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 4: Pulled me into the kitchen and asked me, you know 323 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 4: how I felt about you. 324 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 9: And I really, yeah, I remember that, and I told 325 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 9: him that I cared about you a lot and you 326 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 9: were really cool, and uh, I just told him that 327 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 9: it was nice to meet him, and I thanked him 328 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 9: and I tried to keep it. 329 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 4: Cool, yeah, because you know I was nervous. You know, 330 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 4: I've never met him before. But he didn't didn't immediate 331 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 4: me at all. He didn't scare me in any way. 332 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 4: I didn't feel any Why would I have. 333 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: From The Oregonian March twenty ninth, nineteen ninety five by 334 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: John Painter Junior, a long haul trucker told a Clark 335 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office detective by phone that he strangled Julianne Winningham, 336 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: forty one, while raping her in the sleeper cap with 337 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: his rig after gagging her with duct tape. During the autopsy, 338 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: smokelike stains were found on parts of her body, suggesting 339 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: the corpse had been hauled around before being dumped. Keith H. Jesperson, 340 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: forty made his admission Friday to Detective Rick Buckner in 341 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: a telephone conversation. In an earlier phone message to Buckner 342 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: on Thursday, Jessperson, who is six feet six inches tall 343 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: and weighs two hundred and fifty pounds, that he'd tried 344 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: to kill himself a couple of times and it hasn't worked. 345 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: Not enough pills in the damn country. 346 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 3: While Melissa has very strong recollections about what transpired between 347 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 3: her and Nick, Nick's memories are much more fond and kinder. 348 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 3: What becomes clear is that they went through a very 349 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 3: difficult situation as two young teenagers and it's still hard 350 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: as adults. 351 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 5: Something that I haven't really talked about a lot, though, 352 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 5: is that we got pregnant. 353 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 4: Do you remember that? Yes, And I haven't talked to 354 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 4: anybody about that. I tried not to think about it then, 355 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 4: and it came back years later. I mean, I had 356 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 4: a lot of emotions that came from it, and it 357 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 4: was when I had children later that's when things came back, 358 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 4: and that's when I started thinking about it again because 359 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 4: I would get too much emotions to think about it. 360 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 4: So I didn't and I probably should have. Now looking 361 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 4: back on it, I wish I would have go with 362 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 4: it better and maybe talk to you more about our options. 363 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 4: And I don't know, I have. 364 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 5: No blame, Like we're young kids. 365 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 4: Is there a physical side to your relationship? 366 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 8: There was a couple of incidents, do you remember, what 367 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 8: do you mean? Like we were we had kind of 368 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 8: a violent relationship a little bit. There are some aspects 369 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 8: that were were not healthy. 370 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 4: Probably arguing more than we should about certain things, not 371 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 4: knowing how to talk about it. Yeah, yeah, I remember 372 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 4: we had some some heated discussions about what we know, 373 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 4: what we wanted to do, and how we were going 374 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 4: to move forward. I do remember that. 375 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 5: Yeah. 376 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 4: Do you think this was out of fear? Yeah? Probably. 377 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 3: You could tell that there was a pain, a hesitation 378 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: when Nick spoke about his own emotions regarding Melissa's pregnancy, 379 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: and it seemed like it was something that deeply bothered 380 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,719 Speaker 3: him even now. Did you follow her father's case at 381 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 3: all over the years, do you remember? 382 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 4: No? I didn't, only only because I was dealing with 383 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 4: my own emotions about stuff with her and I then 384 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 4: at that time I hadn't processed all the way yet. Anyways, 385 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 4: The last time I really thought about you, though, mostly 386 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 4: was when I was first married and had my first kid. 387 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 4: I was talking to my wife about you. 388 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I got it, I got it. 389 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 4: I won't forget those those times. It's going to be 390 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 4: with me forever. Of course, it was a It was 391 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 4: an impact on my life too. Yeah, And like I 392 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 4: told you, I cared about you. So you were one 393 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 4: that one that got away for. 394 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: Me from I The Making of a Serial Killer by 395 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: Jack Olsen. My fourteen year old son Jason and my 396 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: fifteen year old daughter Melissa visited me through glass, and 397 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: it only made things worse. The phone connection was bad 398 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: and the guards rushed me away before we really started talking. 399 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: I cried as they led me off. I felt sorry 400 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: that my kids had to see me this way. I 401 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: couldn't even tell them I loved them. I had a 402 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: feeling I wouldn't see them again. 403 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 3: After we left, we spoke a bit about what it 404 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: was like for Melissa to see Nick again and what 405 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 3: she took away from meeting with him. 406 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 5: I could tell you didn't want to talk about that. 407 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 7: You know. 408 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 5: You always tell me hurt people hurt, and I'm starting 409 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 5: to see maybe where his hurt came from. Yeah, you know, 410 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 5: I want I want the best for everybody. I want 411 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 5: people to be I want to think that people could 412 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 5: be reformed. I want to think that good things gonna 413 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 5: happen to people, and that there is redemption, there are changes, 414 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 5: there are like you know, I want to believe in that, 415 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 5: and if it's possible, then I hope he gets that. 416 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: This ah, this moment from the Salt Lake City Tribune, 417 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: August twenty first, nineteen ninety five. When Julie smiled, it 418 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: was like sunshine came out of her mouth. She just 419 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: loved everybody and everything. Her sister Joni says in an 420 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: interview trucking was her way of life, and she wanted 421 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: to die on the road, but not like this, not 422 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: to be killed by some monster. With all the evidence 423 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: against me, it looks like I'm truly a black sheep. 424 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: His March twenty fourth letter reads, I'm sure they will 425 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: kill me for this. I'm sorry that I turned out 426 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: this way, he scrawled, I've been a killer for five 427 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: years and have killed eight people, assaulted more. I guess 428 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: I haven't learned anything. 429 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 7: I can see A spoke by afraid to be. 430 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 5: When I found out I was pregnant and all that 431 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 5: was happening, and I decided I was going to have 432 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 5: an abortion. I told myself, this is going to be 433 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 5: a second chance in life. I'm gonna turn my life 434 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 5: around and everything's gonna be very intentional. I'm gonna come 435 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 5: up with a plan. And I promised myself I was 436 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 5: going to graduate high school, which I was the first 437 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 5: in my family to graduate, and I was going to 438 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 5: go to college, and I was going to get an 439 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 5: education so that I never have to live like this 440 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 5: ever again, and never be dependent upon a man ever again. 441 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 5: And I told myself I was going to start over 442 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,959 Speaker 5: with my life. 443 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 3: Your dad's in prison at the time. 444 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. Because I didn't have anybody to talk to, and 445 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 5: I didn't want to tell my mom, I wrote him 446 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 5: a letter and I said, I vented out like all 447 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 5: of my anger about what he did to our family 448 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 5: and to the victims families, and how much he's hurt everybody, 449 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 5: and that like I'm about my sorrow. I explained how 450 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 5: alone I felt to my sorrow. I remember the letter 451 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 5: being tear soaked. I sobbed and released everything that happened 452 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 5: to me. I told him I was an abusive relationship, 453 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 5: that I got pregnant, that I made the difficult choice 454 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 5: during the time of his incarceration to have an abortion. 455 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 5: My biggest fear is that I can be like my father. 456 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 5: I look like my father. Every night in the woods, 457 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 5: I wonder about DNA. 458 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 4: Sits alone, someome fight. 459 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 5: I know I'm not capable of murder. I know that 460 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 5: I could never cross that line. 461 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 7: And he screams money. 462 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 6: And so I was surprised. 463 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 5: A couple months later, I got a letter from my 464 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,239 Speaker 5: dad back in response. 465 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 4: And the sound feels oh. 466 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 5: And when I open up a letter, first he he 467 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 5: mocks me for feeling sorry for myself. That's the first 468 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 5: part of the letter. It's just like I'm having a 469 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 5: pity party. And then the second part of the letter, 470 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 5: he said, I deserve to be in prison with me. 471 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 6: You're a killer just like me. 472 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: Happy Face is a production of How Stuff Works. Executive 473 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: producers are Melissa Moore, Lauren Bright, Pacheco, Mangesha Ticketer, and 474 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: Will Pearson. Supervising producer is Noel Brown. Music by Claire Campbell, 475 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: Paige Campbell and Hope for a Golden Summer. Story editor 476 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: is Matt Riddle. Audio editing by Chandler Mays and Noel Brown. 477 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: Assistant editor is Taylor Chiquoyne.