Speaker 1: Who baby A baby? I need you, Oh how I
Speaker 1: need you? What to expect? As a production of I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio, I'm your host Heidi Murkoff and I'm a
Speaker 1: mom on a mission, a mission to help you know
Speaker 1: what to expect every step of the way. To say
Speaker 1: the vaccines are a hot button topic is an understatement
Speaker 1: In a time when vaccine misinformation on social media spreads
Speaker 1: faster than a virus in a pandemic, it's understandably harder
Speaker 1: for parents to sort science fact from science fiction, or
Speaker 1: not to feel shamed or blamed by others in the
Speaker 1: online community as they do their information gathering. Today, we're
Speaker 1: giving you the facts about vaccines, from how they work
Speaker 1: to why they're so important and pregnancy and for your baby.
Speaker 1: No game, no blame, no judging, no spin, nothing but
Speaker 1: the facts. I'm so excited to welcome one of the
Speaker 1: best people to have this conversation with. Dr Richard Besser's
Speaker 1: the former acting director for the CDC under the Obama administration.
Speaker 1: He's been a chief medical correspondent for ABC News and
Speaker 1: is currently President of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. And
Speaker 1: he's a pediatrician who is passionate about making the world
Speaker 1: a safer, healthier place to live for all our children.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here today, Dr Besser.
Speaker 1: One of the many things you said that spoke to
Speaker 1: me was about the role of the pediatrician as translator,
Speaker 1: taking complicated medical topics and turning them into plane language
Speaker 1: that parents can relate to. Do you want to tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about why that's important. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did more than seven hundred views last year, and I've
Speaker 1: never had that question. That's that's a that's a great one,
Speaker 1: but it's it really speaks to um to kind of
Speaker 1: my approach to health and what I really enjoy. I'm
Speaker 1: a general pediatrician and normally I see kids a half
Speaker 1: day a week, and what I really love about the
Speaker 1: experience is how much I learned from the families that
Speaker 1: that I'm with. And I do see my role as
Speaker 1: a pediatrician as translating complex information helping people make more
Speaker 1: informed decisions about their lives. And what I learned in
Speaker 1: pediatrics was that you need to treat people with respect
Speaker 1: and that you, as a healthcare provider, have a specialized
Speaker 1: language of jargon that may be good for talking to
Speaker 1: other people in healthcare, but it puts up an immediate
Speaker 1: barrier to your patients. And it is recognizing as well
Speaker 1: that when people are frightened, when people are scared as
Speaker 1: they are during a pan emoic or when they're child sick,
Speaker 1: their ability to take in complex information goes down dramatically,
Speaker 1: And so you have to repeat, you have to simplify
Speaker 1: still with that that air of respect, and you have
Speaker 1: to check back in and say that makes sense. Did
Speaker 1: you understand what I was saying there? Yeah? Absolutely. Another
Speaker 1: premise that I always start with is knowledge is power.
Speaker 1: It's especially powerful when you're pregnant, you have a new baby,
Speaker 1: you're a new parent, and what you don't know can
Speaker 1: actually hurt you or hurt your child, and also can
Speaker 1: make you suspicious. So of course they're going to be
Speaker 1: worried about a vaccine. How would you come them down
Speaker 1: and explain that vaccines in fact, do not hurt an
Speaker 1: unborn baby. It's natural to worry about an unborn baby
Speaker 1: a life that's developing, And so one of the things
Speaker 1: scientists look at is there any concern about this vaccine
Speaker 1: doing any harm? And if they see any signal of that,
Speaker 1: then that's it. It's It's not something that would be
Speaker 1: given to someone who is pregnant, and so by the
Speaker 1: time of vaccine is recommended or approved, you can feel
Speaker 1: comfortable that you are not doing harm to your baby,
Speaker 1: but you're in fact helping to protect them by protecting
Speaker 1: yourself and your baby from a potentially dangerous infection. So,
Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing to say to our parent,
Speaker 1: vaccines work, But how do they work? Can you give
Speaker 1: the simple science behind that vaccines are pretty miraculous? Before vaccines,
Speaker 1: I mean, many of the most families experienced the loss
Speaker 1: of children because they're infectious diseases that are so dangerous
Speaker 1: and deadly to kids. Vaccines, you know, at out of
Speaker 1: the simplest level, they fool your body into thinking that
Speaker 1: you've been infected with a virus or back bacteria, a
Speaker 1: germ that could cause disease, and they cause your immune
Speaker 1: system to react like it's seeing that bad virus, are
Speaker 1: that that bacteria, But it's not. It's not seeing something
Speaker 1: that's harmful to you. But your body is saying, oh wow,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing whooping off. The immune system kicks into gear
Speaker 1: to fight it off. And what that does is it
Speaker 1: means that if you ever see the real thing, So
Speaker 1: the real whooping cough bacteria, or catanus or I mean rotavirus.
Speaker 1: Are so many vaccines now that prevent against serious infections.
Speaker 1: Then when your body sees that, the immune system is
Speaker 1: ready and it fights it off like it's seen it
Speaker 1: before and it knows what to do, and that is
Speaker 1: I think absolutely incredible. You know, they're all different ways
Speaker 1: that it's done. You know, there are different approaches, and
Speaker 1: even now with COVID. Right now we have vaccines that
Speaker 1: are either in trial or on the market that use
Speaker 1: three different mechanisms, three different approaches to fooling your immune system.
Speaker 1: So what kind of research goes into making a vaccine
Speaker 1: these days? So the process for making vaccines usually takes
Speaker 1: any many years early research first to say how can
Speaker 1: you fool the immune system into thinking it's being attacked
Speaker 1: by a particular agent. And then okay, if that's the
Speaker 1: way you're gonna fold the immune system, is that safe?
Speaker 1: Is that a safe way to do it? And so
Speaker 1: when there is what's called a candidate vaccine, something that
Speaker 1: scientists think, yeah, we think this will fold the immune
Speaker 1: system and we think, well, we know what will be saved.
Speaker 1: Then it's tested in a small number of people to
Speaker 1: look to see early on, well how much of it
Speaker 1: we have to give. That's called a dosing study. And
Speaker 1: then the next level of studies looks to see, okay,
Speaker 1: in maybe several hundred people, is it safe or we're
Speaker 1: seeing reactions or side effects, you know, sore arms or
Speaker 1: fevers or anything that we need to be concerned about
Speaker 1: um and then it moves on to bigger trials. And
Speaker 1: these the trials all tend to start in adults, and
Speaker 1: then it's looks to say, okay, does it protect from
Speaker 1: the illness that we wanted to protect from? Then how
Speaker 1: long does the protection last? Those studies can take years
Speaker 1: to do, often because the infection that you're trying to
Speaker 1: protect against while out there isn't common enough that you
Speaker 1: can do those kind of studies quickly in order to
Speaker 1: see if it protects from a certain infection, that infection
Speaker 1: has to be out about that can take time to do.
Speaker 1: And then once a vaccine is found to be safe
Speaker 1: and effective in adults, then they'll look in younger and
Speaker 1: younger populations. This is what's going on with COVID safe
Speaker 1: and adults. Now their studies being done, is it safe
Speaker 1: in teens? And then as a queens? And then younger
Speaker 1: than that younger down. You know, occasionally for diseases that
Speaker 1: only occur in children, where the risk of those diseases
Speaker 1: it's really really severe, you'll do some initial safety studies indults,
Speaker 1: but then you'll go to your trials right away. When
Speaker 1: I was in training to be a pediatrician, UM there
Speaker 1: was something called h flu or havoflos influenza and UM
Speaker 1: it would cause a very very serious form of meningitis.
Speaker 1: And I remember in my train seeing kids who died
Speaker 1: from that, children who had brain damage or lost their hearing,
Speaker 1: had various of your illness. And then I remember, I
Speaker 1: think it was in the last year my training that
Speaker 1: a vaccine came out and it was miraculous because all
Speaker 1: of a sudden we weren't seeing this horrible, horrible disease.
Speaker 1: It was so devastating to children and their families. It
Speaker 1: was gone. And when you've seen that progression from something
Speaker 1: that just causes so much devastation to all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it's gone, it's amazing. And when you work in
Speaker 1: countries that don't have as a robust of vaccine program
Speaker 1: and you see diseases that have been pretty much wiped
Speaker 1: out in the United states, it's just an eye opener
Speaker 1: to the power of vaccination to to really change the
Speaker 1: prospects of cod We're in a pandemic like any other
Speaker 1: public health emergency. This led to a drop in vaccination
Speaker 1: rates and by the way, in maternal healthcare. By November
Speaker 1: of routine childhood vaccines have fallen by as much as
Speaker 1: twenty and parents are also afraid to bring their kids
Speaker 1: in for routine appointments. And another reason beyond that, of course,
Speaker 1: is the vaccine skepticism, which I think has been fueled
Speaker 1: not only by the Internet. I mean, vaccine skepticism has
Speaker 1: always been around since they were vaccines, but it's kind
Speaker 1: of reached a fever pitch, and the Internet has accelerated
Speaker 1: the anti science fiction. And also, you know, maybe the
Speaker 1: speedy development of the COVID nineteen vaccine. People are like, well,
Speaker 1: it should take time and this isn't possible. What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts about this and what concerns you most about
Speaker 1: these dropping vaccination rates. Well, when it comes to COVID vaccine,
Speaker 1: I think it's important to recognize that most people want
Speaker 1: to get vaccinated. There are some people who have concerns
Speaker 1: who don't want to get vaccinated. And I wouldn't lump
Speaker 1: all those people together. And the reason for that is that,
Speaker 1: you know, even when it comes to childhood humanizations, where
Speaker 1: you know plus percent of children get get fully vaccinated,
Speaker 1: there's a hardcore group of people there who are anti vaccine,
Speaker 1: anti science, who will never, no matter what you say,
Speaker 1: willingly let their children get vaccinated and won't get vaccines themselves.
Speaker 1: But there are also some people who say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I understand that these vaccines are really effective, and I
Speaker 1: understand that they were reviewed and approved by the Food
Speaker 1: Drug Administration, and I understand COVID's bad, but I also
Speaker 1: understand that they were approved based on two months of
Speaker 1: safety data, and I kind of like to wait until
Speaker 1: they've been in some more people, and people perception of
Speaker 1: risk will vary, and it's important to respect that and
Speaker 1: and not say to someone who's a little hesitant today
Speaker 1: that it's here's your one chance, and it's done. I
Speaker 1: think it's people know more and more of their friends
Speaker 1: and family members who have been vaccinated, they're gonna want
Speaker 1: to get vaccinated. And we're seeing that. We're seeing the
Speaker 1: numbers go up in terms of people wanting wanting vaccine,
Speaker 1: and part of that is also you know, now that
Speaker 1: it's been given to more than twenty million people, that's
Speaker 1: different than the trials where it's tens of thousands of people,
Speaker 1: and the CDC and FDA are doing follow up look
Speaker 1: and see are there any side effects that we're not
Speaker 1: picked up In the smaller studies, they've been able to
Speaker 1: share data on severe allergic reactions to show how really
Speaker 1: rare they are and how easily managed they are to
Speaker 1: get vaccinated in the clinic setting. When it comes to
Speaker 1: COVID vaccine, I think the numbers are going to continue
Speaker 1: to go up and up, and I think some of
Speaker 1: that has to do with how the vaccines last year.
Speaker 1: We're talked about the phrase work speed. Well, it's good
Speaker 1: for rockets, it's good for for really high speed trains,
Speaker 1: but in terms of making people feel comfortable that all
Speaker 1: of the safety steps were taken the terms of little
Speaker 1: challenging it's absolutely miraculous that we have safe and effective
Speaker 1: vaccines this quickly, you know, within a year of a
Speaker 1: new virus being discovered, that is that's never happened before,
Speaker 1: and that's absolutely incredible, But you need to recognize that
Speaker 1: with that kind of speed comes some some sense of
Speaker 1: woe was just too fast, and there wasn't I think,
Speaker 1: enough attention to the full story that scientists have been
Speaker 1: working on what are called m RNA vaccines for more
Speaker 1: than a decade and so it's all of that science
Speaker 1: that was done over decades that allowed them to create
Speaker 1: within a year this this vaccine. So it wasn't as
Speaker 1: speedy as it seemed. It was really speedy from from
Speaker 1: day of discovery to the development, but the science that
Speaker 1: led them to be able to do that, it took
Speaker 1: place over a long period of time. What what gives
Speaker 1: me comfort in this whole process is, you know, I
Speaker 1: watched the review committee for FDA UH and I listened
Speaker 1: to their deliberations, and I read the materials that FDA posted,
Speaker 1: and I believe that the vaccines that are have been
Speaker 1: approved for emergencies are safe and effective. I can't wait
Speaker 1: until I get called and I can get vaccinated. My parents,
Speaker 1: who are you know, both over ninety, have both been vaccinated.
Speaker 1: But I also recognized that some people want to see
Speaker 1: a little bit more data. And in particular, although the
Speaker 1: majority of Black Americans want to get vaccinated, the rates
Speaker 1: of hesitancy and concern are higher, and I think a
Speaker 1: lot of that reflects you disrespect from the healthcare system,
Speaker 1: historical experimentation on people of color by our health care
Speaker 1: system and the public health system. I think it also
Speaker 1: can be addressed by ensuring that people are hearing from
Speaker 1: people they trust and in different communities, trusted voices will vary.
Speaker 1: So at our foundation, Robert Johnson Foundation, we're supporting a
Speaker 1: lot of outreach work so that people can hear from
Speaker 1: trusted voices in their communities. I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be the kind of the same kind of efforts that
Speaker 1: are used for get out the vote will will be
Speaker 1: effective here hearing from people they know and they trust.
Speaker 1: You know that effective grassroots connection is going to I think,
Speaker 1: build the desire for more people to effect them. So
Speaker 1: I do want to ask so many moms on what
Speaker 1: to expect. Of course, the questions are coming in so
Speaker 1: that I get the COVID nineteen vaccine when it's offered,
Speaker 1: If it's offered, and I know that a lot of
Speaker 1: health care professionals who are pregnant have already received it,
Speaker 1: and in some states it's being offered in a higher
Speaker 1: order of priority. But there are of as a lot
Speaker 1: of concerns from pregnant women. Is it safe now? Of course,
Speaker 1: the infection itself has been shown not to be particularly
Speaker 1: safe for pregnant women, especially those with comorbidities. If you
Speaker 1: have just saial diabetes or if you have hypertension, that
Speaker 1: puts you a greater risk if you're a mom of color.
Speaker 1: So I know that the medical community has had you
Speaker 1: know who came out with certain recommendation, CDC came out
Speaker 1: with others, And basically the bottom line is always talked
Speaker 1: to your doctor, which is what I would say, But
Speaker 1: what would you say? I think you've hit the critical
Speaker 1: points is that you're balancing risks here, and that's really
Speaker 1: important because it's human nature to put more value on
Speaker 1: the risk from something that you intentionally do. So, you know,
Speaker 1: we see that with children's vaccinations as well. So I
Speaker 1: know somebody who had this incredible allergic action to a
Speaker 1: vaccine that was so severe. Wow, yeah, you know, that's
Speaker 1: that kind happen. But it's so incredibly rare. The disease
Speaker 1: that it's preventing killed thousands of children each year, you know,
Speaker 1: So it's it's balancing those risks here. With COVID, we
Speaker 1: are learning that there is some increased risk for pregnant
Speaker 1: women when you need to balance I think, and in
Speaker 1: talking with your doctor, because this is one of those
Speaker 1: personal decisions that you have to make, is what is
Speaker 1: your risk of exposure? So you know, if you're someone
Speaker 1: who is working in a setting where you're more likely
Speaker 1: to be exposed, whether it's in healthcare or you know,
Speaker 1: food production or transportation or anything where you're out and
Speaker 1: about and you're pregnant, you have a real risk of
Speaker 1: being exposed and getting COVID, you know, in that setting.
Speaker 1: I think that personally, if it were my family member,
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I would recommend getting vaccinated. Their
Speaker 1: studies being done, but there's theoretically there's nothing that we
Speaker 1: would see with this vaccine that would make us think
Speaker 1: ahead of time that it could pose an increase risk
Speaker 1: to someone who is pregnant. If, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: you are at home, you are not out at all,
Speaker 1: and your risk is really really low, You're you're not
Speaker 1: exposed to very many people, and you may say, well,
Speaker 1: now you know what, I'm not going to get vaccinated.
Speaker 1: Of course, I have to ask will trials be done
Speaker 1: on pregnant women or is this just always like an
Speaker 1: extrapolation My understanding is that companies are doing trials in
Speaker 1: in pregnancy. And the reason for that is that you know,
Speaker 1: this pandemic is widespread, it's rampant, uh, and we know
Speaker 1: that there is increased risk during pregnancy. And so you know,
Speaker 1: given you've got a vaccine that has a terrific safety profile,
Speaker 1: very safe, then you're gonna want to do that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not hear to me how they're gonna do those
Speaker 1: studies because you don't want to withhold vaccine. It may
Speaker 1: be historical data so that they'll vaccinate and they'll be
Speaker 1: able to compare people who got vaccinated now to those
Speaker 1: who didn't before. There are some pregnant women who were
Speaker 1: in the initials trials right became pregnant. Yeah, And it
Speaker 1: may be that across the numbers of trials there are
Speaker 1: enough women who got pregnant during the trial that they'll
Speaker 1: be able to answer to answer that question that way too.
Speaker 1: It again, it's the balance for women who have who
Speaker 1: have a particular medical condition that can be life threatening,
Speaker 1: the balance between stopping your medication or your treatment and
Speaker 1: potential risks. Both you know, have the benefits and potential risks.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that we're learning though, which
Speaker 1: I think is really interesting, is that just like with
Speaker 1: other vaccines, the flu shot, moms pass on protective factors
Speaker 1: to their babies, which is so amazing. I think that's
Speaker 1: such an incredibly important point, and you are protecting that
Speaker 1: very vulnerable newborn baby. I wanted to ask you about
Speaker 1: the t DApp because I get questions about that all
Speaker 1: the time, and of course I give the recommendation that
Speaker 1: you should get it with every pregnancy, so even if
Speaker 1: you've had it before, even if you had a booster before,
Speaker 1: and dad's got to get in and grandma's gotta get it,
Speaker 1: everybody's got to get it. The flu vaccine is another
Speaker 1: vaccine that every pregnant woman should get, and that again
Speaker 1: is not only to protect her baby, but because even
Speaker 1: more so, as far as we know then with COVID
Speaker 1: influences really dangerous potentially for pregnant women and they're more
Speaker 1: risk for hospitalization. Yeah, now, those are those are all
Speaker 1: key points. I remember when I was at ABC News
Speaker 1: doing a story on a mom on a family that
Speaker 1: lost their newborn to whooping cough and she hadn't been
Speaker 1: offered yeah during pregnancy, and you know, she had other kids.
Speaker 1: They're not sure you know how whooping toff got into
Speaker 1: the into the home, But to lose a child to
Speaker 1: something that's preventable, it was devastating. And she's gone on
Speaker 1: now to become a real advocate around this issue. That's
Speaker 1: the ap THET. Yeah, that can be a really severe
Speaker 1: infection in really young kids. And we start vaccinating about
Speaker 1: two months, so in a really early period's the only
Speaker 1: protection that the baby has is from their mom. Absolutely. Now,
Speaker 1: of course we can't talk to you your pediatrician, without
Speaker 1: talking about childhood vaccines. I think we've already established why
Speaker 1: they're so safe, because they've gone through so many years
Speaker 1: of testing and there's so much data, and yet these
Speaker 1: miss persist, and these concerns persist again understandably because you
Speaker 1: want to keep your baby safe, and there are so
Speaker 1: many vaccines headed your baby's way in that first year
Speaker 1: and beyond, and it seems, oh, isn't it going to
Speaker 1: overwhelm their immune system? All of this it can be
Speaker 1: really hard to tell the difference out there between what's
Speaker 1: good science and what someone's opinion and what is just
Speaker 1: false is a hoax, And so you see all this information.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember as a new parent. It was
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Our oldest is twenty six. I
Speaker 1: remember with the first shot that he got feeling really nervous,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh my, you know, feeling good because
Speaker 1: we're doing it, but also it's like, well, we're giving
Speaker 1: a shot. We're doing something, and whenever you're doing something,
Speaker 1: you always have in this mind, well, wow, you know,
Speaker 1: I know that this is the right thing to do.
Speaker 1: I just hope it's that everything goes really well, and
Speaker 1: that's a natural feeling to to have. I think it's
Speaker 1: so important for parents to have trusted sources of information.
Speaker 1: I think that having a healthcare provider who you trust,
Speaker 1: who you can ask anything to, can be really really valuable.
Speaker 1: And knowing what sources of information online are trusted, are
Speaker 1: good science can be really really valuable, and it can
Speaker 1: help you avoid some of the noise it's out there.
Speaker 1: Because there's so much noise, it can be overwhelming. And
Speaker 1: when there's that much information coming out at you, a
Speaker 1: lot of people's reactions we are I'm just gonna wait.
Speaker 1: Can't take it all in, so I'm just gonna wait.
Speaker 1: And a waiting itself can be a dangerous thing for
Speaker 1: a little baby. Exactly, and so a lot of parents
Speaker 1: are like, oh, well, maybe I'll just you know, have
Speaker 1: a few here, a few there, but not lump them
Speaker 1: all together, like delay the schedule a little bit. What
Speaker 1: do you say to parents who are concerned about so
Speaker 1: many thoughts at one appointment or in one year. You know,
Speaker 1: our mutism are amazing, They're incredible. We are barraged all
Speaker 1: day long, all night long by germs that are around us.
Speaker 1: They're on our skin, they're on our nose, they're they're
Speaker 1: on our dogs and our cats, and they're everywhere, they're
Speaker 1: on surfaces, and our immune systems react to those constantly.
Speaker 1: So getting a dozen more exposures to different things over
Speaker 1: those those first months is not in any way, shape
Speaker 1: or form going to overwhelm your immune system. Part of
Speaker 1: the testing that's done with vaccines, they're looking to see
Speaker 1: which vaccines can you give together? Are there any that
Speaker 1: you can't give together at the same time? There are,
Speaker 1: and so doctors don't administer those at the same time.
Speaker 1: But the goal and pediatrics is to protect children as
Speaker 1: quickly as possible for things that they may face early
Speaker 1: in life, and so that's why you do them. And
Speaker 1: I'm always really nervous about measles. And it's not because
Speaker 1: we give it so young. It's because we can't give
Speaker 1: it younger. You know, around hew measles is the big
Speaker 1: killer of children, But we don't give it to children
Speaker 1: until they're one year old because your immune system is
Speaker 1: developing constantly, and won't we act enough to give you
Speaker 1: the right level of protection until about a year. But
Speaker 1: if we had a measles vaccine that could work, you know,
Speaker 1: right at birth, I'd be all for me too. And
Speaker 1: I just want to share a personal story. My grandson, Lennox,
Speaker 1: who's about to turn eight, was three weeks old when
Speaker 1: he was hospitalized with SEPs us. It was a staff
Speaker 1: infection that it had started at his umbilical site. Super
Speaker 1: super rare, new parents out there, but it happened and
Speaker 1: he was hospitalized. During that time. He was exposed to
Speaker 1: measles three weeks, way too young to be vaccinated. They
Speaker 1: gave him some immunoquobulin as precaution, but it was terrifying.
Speaker 1: And that's that's my cautionary tale. If it could happen
Speaker 1: to my grandson, it could happen to your child, It
Speaker 1: could happen to someone else's child. Do you love right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: My recommendation is vaccinate your child fully and on time.
Speaker 1: It doesn't overwhelm the immune system. It means that your
Speaker 1: child is protected as soon as they possibly can be,
Speaker 1: and haven't forbid your child where to get something where
Speaker 1: you belate. So that's the approach I I take. It's
Speaker 1: the way to go. There's no science to show that
Speaker 1: there's benefit to a child of spacing vaccines out beyond
Speaker 1: what the current recommended schedule is, and all I see
Speaker 1: with that is a longer period before a child is
Speaker 1: it's fully protected. And you know, we vaccinated to protect
Speaker 1: our own children, but also to protect those who can't
Speaker 1: be vaccinated or those who don't get a good immuniverse US.
Speaker 1: So we talk about vaccines being really terrific. They are,
Speaker 1: but not everybody who gets the vaccine will be fully protected.
Speaker 1: Right now, when we're talking about COVID, the two vaccines,
Speaker 1: the fisor MODERNA, that are available in the United States
Speaker 1: are about protective. So that basically says that five out
Speaker 1: of a hundred people who are who get vaccinated will
Speaker 1: still be at risk. But if everyone around them is
Speaker 1: fully vaccinated, the chances that they're gonna get COVID go
Speaker 1: way way, way, way down. We have a new hashtag
Speaker 1: be heard as an h g r D right, part
Speaker 1: of the herd that protects your community, all the little
Speaker 1: ones in your community, all the elderly in your community
Speaker 1: who are most vulnerable. Yeah, that's right. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us today and for helping alleviate the
Speaker 1: fears and make us feel really really good about rolling
Speaker 1: up our sleeves and rolling up well our babies pant legs. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know it's it's a quick cry and then you're
Speaker 1: done exactly for them. Oh yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. It's a pleasure, really nice to
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