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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to No Dunks. I'm your host for today,

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Speaker 1: Trey Kirby joining me here in the yard. It's Tass Mellis.

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Speaker 1: Hey Cray, Hey man, you want to do a basketball podcast.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, it's been a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exciting times, exciting times that people are going nuts.

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Speaker 1: Leo can't believe it. We're on time, Yeah, we are

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Speaker 1: on time. Enjoy it while you can no skeets today.

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Speaker 1: He is up in Canada waiting on some green card stuff,

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Speaker 1: so he will be back in time for the season.

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Speaker 1: We'll hopefully be making some announcements around the same time.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's still just September, TASSA season

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Speaker 1: really starts getting kicked off. I feel like next week

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Speaker 1: we start getting media days for all these teams on

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Speaker 1: the twenty ninth, I know, like the Hawks are doing

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Speaker 1: Theirs and quite a few other teams. Otherwise, though, what

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Speaker 1: you've been up to, well.

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Speaker 2: I've been getting revved up for the season. Hearing Trey

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Speaker 2: Young and Pat Beverley go at each other ad Oh

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Speaker 2: the tray Young edit by their producer. I liked it.

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Speaker 2: You could hear the mic here listening to this. The

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Speaker 2: mic was bouncing around like that and Trey Young was

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Speaker 2: just smooth on the mic. I love that, So I'm

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Speaker 2: getting revved up especially. I don't know. I'm the optimist,

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Speaker 2: so I feel like I'm optimistic about a lot of teams.

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Speaker 2: But I think the Trey Young Atlanta Hawks optimism. I'm

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Speaker 2: just high on that. We'll get to that a little later,

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Speaker 2: but I think there's lots of things to be excited about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, disappointing season for the Atlanta Braids, disappointing last

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Speaker 1: weekend for the Atlanta Falcons. Now is the time to

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Speaker 1: be excited about the Hawks. We'll get to our over

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Speaker 1: under predictions later. But when it's September and you're just

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Speaker 1: going through the rosters and you're looking all the moves

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Speaker 1: that all the teams make, it's like I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: over on twenty five of thirty teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And since you mentioned the Atlanta Breys,

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Speaker 2: I must say that the Toronto Blue Jays are ready

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Speaker 2: to play baseball in October.

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Speaker 1: Let's go. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like the shirts after they officially qualify, just as

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Speaker 2: October baseball.

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Speaker 1: Pretty simple.

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm getting it wrong, but it's October on

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Speaker 2: their shirts. It definitely says October on the shirts because

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Speaker 2: they're ready to go. This is definitely the time to

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Speaker 2: be over optimistic about the Toronto Blue Jays.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Toronto Blue Jays. We'll get to the Toronto Raptors later.

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Speaker 1: We are going to be ranking every team's best player.

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Speaker 1: You actually don't even know the best players that I've

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Speaker 1: chosen for all thirty of these. Yeah, that'll be interesting.

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Speaker 1: But first we've got some news in the association, some

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Speaker 1: bad news. Sean's reported yesterday that the Rockets Fred and

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Speaker 1: Bleet suffered a torn ACL. Additional reporting apparently it happened

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Speaker 1: at a mini camp in the Bahamas. Fred though may

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Speaker 1: miss the entire twenty twenty five twenty sixth season because

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Speaker 1: you know, it's an ACL injury and it happened right

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Speaker 1: before the start of the season. Tasks what was your

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Speaker 2: News that the Rockets aren't a championship team without Fred

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Speaker 2: van Vliet. He is just like that. Yeah, he's so

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Speaker 2: important to that team. He is a rock and the

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Speaker 2: point guard is the least amount of depth that they

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Speaker 2: have in terms of all the positions. It's that one.

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Speaker 2: It's Reed Shepherd now as a second year player who

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Speaker 2: definitely optimistic watching him at Summer League. Throw it around

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Speaker 2: and the guy can score, there's no doubt. But now

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Speaker 2: you've got to run a team, and it's that, or

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Speaker 2: it's Aaron Holliday, who has never been quite a backup

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Speaker 2: guard in this team in this league, or it's a

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Speaker 2: Men Thompson doing something on a whole other level. Of course,

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Speaker 2: he can pass and he can play make, but just

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Speaker 2: getting everybody into their sets. So that's where Aman Thompson

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Speaker 2: was really good, being that secondary ball handler and passing it.

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Speaker 2: But now literally you got to rely on him doing

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Speaker 2: think that's the scary part for this team that has

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Speaker 2: Raphael Stone has kept on their roster for a trade

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Speaker 2: for some sort of point guard. Because they can't just

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Speaker 2: a few of them. And maybe that is a possibility here,

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Speaker 2: but part of it is trade. I just feel terrible

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Speaker 2: for Freivranvleet, who's obviously persevered through injury after injury after injury.

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Speaker 2: He's never missed more than twenty two games in a season.

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Speaker 2: He's been a rock and those miss games were last

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Speaker 2: year for the Houston Rockets when he missed twenty two,

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Speaker 2: he missed a bunth and the team was a little

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Speaker 2: under five hundred when he was out because they needed him,

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Speaker 2: and maybe it's a little different with Alburn Schangun growing

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Speaker 2: the sounds of that at all. If I'm Raphael Stone,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think December fifteenth is going to be a

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Speaker 1: huge day for the Houston Rockets and for Rockets fans

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Speaker 1: because I'm with you, this definitely strikes a blow to

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Speaker 1: their championship odds. They were one of the top five

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Speaker 1: the season and they're losing a starter. And like you're saying,

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Speaker 1: it's the position of least depth for the Rockets because

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Speaker 1: Reed Shepherd was not ready last year, only played like

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Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty minutes that's hardly anything. I don't

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Speaker 1: But we've seen with these Kevin Durant teams, you still

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Speaker 1: need a point guard, even though Kadie is such an

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Speaker 1: players on other teams, they're probably going to have to

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Speaker 1: defense is big, the ball handling is big, the playmaking

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Speaker 1: chucker and that's something that the Rockets are going to

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Speaker 1: be missing this season. Last year, they were twenty seventh

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Speaker 1: got to take them. In the NBA right now, if

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Speaker 1: they start a men Thompson, then they either move Dorian

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Speaker 1: of shooting. Still an awesome defensive team, but they need

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Speaker 1: somebody to take shots from the outside. So I think

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Speaker 1: starting in December, we'll see the Rockets get involved in

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Speaker 1: a bunch of different names people that I wrote down.

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Speaker 1: Kobe White from the Bulls seems like he would be

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Speaker 1: a good fit for this Rockets team. Drew Holliday maybe

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Speaker 1: doesn't stick around in Portland for very long, and then CJ.

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Speaker 1: very least can score from the outside. So there are

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Speaker 1: some gettable stop gaps starting point guards I think out

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Speaker 2: Yes. And the good thing is about this Rockets team,

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Speaker 2: they're at the first apron and not the second apron.

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Speaker 2: Let's get technical, baby. They can combine a few of

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Speaker 2: so it's not just a one for one type of deal. Because,

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Speaker 2: combine several salaries to get CJ McCom I don't like

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Speaker 2: this Russell Westbrook idea that everybody seems to be thrown around.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a free agent, obviously the best idea

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Speaker 2: and to me as an immediate stop gap right here,

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Speaker 2: right now, even Sean McCabe is saying it here in

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Speaker 2: the stream, team Montey Morris is available. I think that's

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Speaker 2: a decent option. Just strictly to have a guy out there,

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Speaker 2: although I thought he was signing in Europe, but just

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Speaker 2: to have a guy out there, who listen. He's a

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Speaker 2: tried out with the Wolves a little bit, so they

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Speaker 2: need somebody and I just just for right here right now,

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Speaker 2: I think that's a decent option. But the Russ, let's

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Speaker 2: space out there on the floor and Russ ain't doing that.

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Speaker 2: He could play obviously with Jokic and other playmakers, but

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Speaker 2: it's not the same anymore. It's just ain't the same

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Speaker 2: in terms of his athleticism, and the guys who would

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Speaker 2: the rim just wouldn't have the space with Russell Westbrook

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Speaker 2: ideal though, that's the hot one because he is still available.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Ed, you don't even have to do a photoshop.

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Speaker 1: He's played for the Rockets once upon a time, so

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Speaker 1: it's just easy to throw up a picture of him.

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Speaker 1: It's like WHOA did he ever play with Kevin Durant,

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Speaker 1: you know he did, so, yeah, I see why people

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Speaker 1: lean that way. I don't think he's the answer for

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Speaker 1: just with the attitude and the effort that he always brings.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Monte Morris is the guy either, but

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Speaker 1: at least he's going to be cheap. I think they're

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Speaker 1: just gonna have to see what they've got with Reed

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Speaker 2: been in the past. This is it. This team is

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00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 2: too good. There's too many good players around him to

430
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 2: not be a good team. Now, those good players each

431
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 2: have a question mark right over their head. That's all

432
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 2: I can see. Is a question mark on Kristaps porzingis

433
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 2: will he be healthy? There's a question mark on Jalen Johnson.

434
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: It's been two years in a row where he's been injured,

435
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 2: but he could have been the All Star last year.

436
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: That being said, even if those guys are injured, I

437
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: think they can even play a little bit smaller and

438
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: have to kill Alexander Walker and Dyson Daniels on the floor.

439
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: Beside Trey Young. They have backups in Anyaka kong Wu

440
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: for those big men if they are injured. And yeah,

441
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 2: I think Dyson Daniels has grown. I think Zachary Risache

442
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 2: will get even better. So I think this is the

443
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: year Trey Young says I'm leading this team. I think

444
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: he's grown as a player. I don't care what Patrick

445
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 2: Beverly has said. I think it was a little different

446
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: a few years ago. There's no doubt that he tried

447
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: to be more of the guy and only the guy,

448
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: and that's why I thinks kind of fell out with

449
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 2: Sean Collins to some degree, even Kevin Hurder. But I

450
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: think this is the year where he chose I mean,

451
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 2: he has chilled out. I shouldn't say this is the

452
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: year where he's giving everything to his teammate. He does

453
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: do more of that. He did try on defense a

454
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: little bit more so I think he will get the

455
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 2: credit for this team being good, and I think it

456
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 2: has to be good with all those guys. Yeah.

457
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Speaker 1: I think last year was probably Trey's most unselfish year

458
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 1: and like you're saying, yeah, the best effort he ever

459
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: has Defensively got off the ball early, especially when Jalen

460
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 1: Johnson was still a healthy I couldn't see an All

461
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 1: NBA season out of Trey Young. I'm expecting the Hawks

462
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: to be better this year than they have in years past,

463
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Speaker 1: and I feel like the Hawks record has been held

464
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Speaker 1: against Trey Young when it comes to All Star voting,

465
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Speaker 1: when it comes to All Star selections, and certainly when

466
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: it comes to All NBA, because the guy led the

467
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: league in assists. Like I said, less season, he put

468
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: up twenty four and twelve and barely got a sniff

469
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: for All NBA, So he would definitely be at the

470
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 1: end of the All NBA tier. But I think having

471
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Speaker 1: him very high up in All Stars is a perfect

472
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Speaker 1: spot for him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I found it very interesting going through these thirty

474
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Speaker 2: teams and thinking as I was going through the A's

475
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: and the b's ere Eastern Conference teams, I was thinking,

476
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 2: some guys have to make the All NBA Team? Where

477
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 2: are they? So as I got down through the thirty teams,

478
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Speaker 2: that's when the All NBA sort of borderline end of

479
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: the All NBA list guys entered my brain and I thought, well,

480
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: we need to fifteen players to make these All NBA teams.

481
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: There's three of them. So it's like your your guys

482
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: will get to you later, like your Pascalcey Hackems. I

483
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: mean maybe he's been there before, you know, those type

484
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: of guys, and Trey Young could be one of those guys.

485
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree. Uh. Got good question here from

486
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: Gustavo in the stream team. Would you rank Trey Young

487
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: ahead of Patrick Beverly on this list?

488
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's over for Patrick Beverly. As Trey Young said,

489
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: he said, thank you for your service. It's been great.

490
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 2: You're done. I mean he's done, You're done. It's over. Yeah.

491
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Speaker 1: I think Patrick does that, fella. That what a funny

492
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: beef to have, Trey Young versus Patrick Beverly. I do

493
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: think Patrick Beverley Beverly average like thirty seven a game

494
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: in high school. But guess what, he's an NBA player.

495
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: He was probably pretty solid when he was in high school.

496
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: Illinois Boys. So I got to represent a little bit

497
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Speaker 1: for him, But definitely he would not be the best

498
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: player on his team. He never was the best player

499
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: on his team. Trey Young Yeng.

500
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Speaker 2: Yes, let me ask Trey. Yeah. Do you think there's

501
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: there's somewhere in the NBA that says, like in February

502
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: or March, hey, we might play the Atlanta Hawks. Patrick

503
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: Beverly is available. If we see those Hawks in the playoffs,

504
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: we want that guy on a roster. And then they

505
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: signed him to a contract just to get under tray

506
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 2: skin as much as possible.

507
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Speaker 1: It's not out of the realm of possibility. Patrick Beverly

508
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: loves to switch teams late in the season. He did

509
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: it for the Bulls for sure. They went fourteen and

510
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: nine with him in I can't believe I remember that

511
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,959
Speaker 1: they did it with the Milwaukee Bucks. He's been out

512
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: of the league now for what a season, maybe a

513
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: season and a half, maybe even more than that.

514
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Speaker 2: No, one, it's only been just one But I don't

515
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 2: think he comes back even to start the season.

516
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: No, No, definitely not.

517
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Speaker 2: He finished off like you said with the Milwaukee Bucks

518
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: where he threw that ball into the crowd in the playoffs,

519
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 2: I guess right, the Indiana Pacers, and he was literally

520
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: suspended for it for the following year, which he didn't

521
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: play in the NBA for he went to Israel and

522
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: play and so he's been gone for a full season.

523
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: I think, old, yeah, you're.

524
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: Right, he'd be suspended right when he comes back, super

525
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: because I think they suspended him for throwing the ball

526
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: at the fan, but then he hasn't played an NBA

527
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: game since. That would be a hilarious late season storyline.

528
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: I hope it happens. Our next player to be ranked

529
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown, who is the Celtics' best player this season

530
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: with the injury to Jason Tatum. Last year, Jalen Brown

531
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: went for twenty two a game with six rebounds and

532
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 1: five assists, shot forty six from the field, thirty two

533
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: from three to seventy six at the line. He made

534
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: his third straight All Star team, his fourth overall, and

535
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: he has one All NBA appearance to on his resume

536
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: so far. So where are you opening the bidding on

537
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: Jlen Brown?

538
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: As feels a little bonkers, but I'm putting him as

539
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: a solid starter. Well what yeah, yeah, I'm not throwing

540
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: him in Obviously he's a borderline All Star. Like you said,

541
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Speaker 2: he made it frickin last year. But these are the

542
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: reasons why I think he will just be on this

543
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: solid starter list. No Jason Tatum to be that number

544
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 2: one option beside him, And we saw in the playoffs

545
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: against the New York Knicks win Tatum went out, John

546
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: Brown was up and down. He literally wasn't great. He

547
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: was also great, So he's definitely capable. But the other

548
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: thing that worries about me without Tatum is his injury.

549
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: He had that knee injury throughout the postseason that seemed

550
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: to bother him a little bit. Now, maybe it's something

551
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: that just goes away with a few months off, but

552
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm not so sure. In the Eastern Conference, where this

553
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: is the year, So it sounds kind of stupid that

554
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: I'm saying that he's just assault Sorry, this is the

555
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: year for them to bump up and for it to

556
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: be on his shoulders along with Peyton Pritchard and Derek White.

557
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: But I literally I think I just don't think he's

558
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: going to make the top sixteen American All Stars. As

559
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: the All Star Game breaks down, there's sixteen Americans, eight

560
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: Europeans or slash World players. I shouldn't call them all Europeans.

561
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: I think Shale'll be on there, but I don't know

562
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: if he stops sixteen, is he top sixteen?

563
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: Wow? Okay, yeah, I mean that's a great point. I

564
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: hadn't factored in the fact that he's not just getting

565
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference votes. He has to be one of the

566
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: sixteen best Americans.

567
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, I don't even know how that's gonna work.

568
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: It's stupid. They should just say, hey, you're an All Star,

569
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: You're one of the twenty four best players, and so

570
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: he is. I guess right.

571
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's got to be in the All

572
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: Star for me. He's made it three straight times and

573
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: now he gets as many shots as he wants. I

574
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that

575
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: Jalen Brown averages like twenty seven the game this year.

576
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: It's possible. Yeah, I just wonder. I just wonder about

577
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: the knee.

578
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is worrying.

579
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: That's maybe that's me speculating, but it is one of

580
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: those things that was bothering him a little bit, and

581
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: he tried to sit out to deal with it. Now again,

582
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: maybe it's fine if you're sitting in May, June, July, August, September.

583
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: So I could be wrong.

584
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. Well, I gotta put I gotta put them.

585
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: I'll put them behind Trey Young. But the fact that

586
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: he's made three straight All Stars and has even more

587
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: opportunity this year, maybe we can change it when we

588
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: get later into the to the episode here. But man,

589
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: you're down on Jalen Brown, down with Brown. I can't

590
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: believe it.

591
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: Well, I just yeah, yeah, this whole stupid Uh hey,

592
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: we're having sixteen Americans. I mean that didn't really play

593
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: into my into my decision. But this the Eastern Conference,

594
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 2: there are lots of good players, like there will be

595
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: a lot of good players. The Celtics still have to

596
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: be good, and that's my question. Will they Will they

597
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: be above five hundred? They should be hard to know.

598
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is an unknown looking team. They're gonna be

599
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: starting to Mishkita. Maybe he'll be their best player.

600
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's their front line? Yeah, that's a fair question.

601
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we shall see our next best player on the list.

602
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: It's the Brooklyn Nets and it's Michael Porter Junior. I

603
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: think Michael Porter Junior is the best player on the

604
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets this season. He averaged eighteen to game with

605
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: the Nuggets last year. Seven rebounds, two assists. I can't

606
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: believe to assists, that's higher than I would have anticipated.

607
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: But fifty from the field, forty from three to seventy

608
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: seven at the free throw line. Zero accolades though from

609
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: Michael Porter Junior. I couldn't believe he didn't even make

610
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: second team All Rookie to us. Huh, I think I

611
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: think this is a one eyed man.

612
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Land of the Blind. Yes, yes, one

613
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: eyed man is Kinges is Michael port Junior. It was

614
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: funny Skeets made the thumbnail for this show and he

615
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: first had Jeremy Grant in there, yeah, part of the thumbnail,

616
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: and I asked, is Jeremy Grant the best player on

617
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: the Portland Trailblazers discussed to our stream team. Then he

618
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: inserted Michael Porter Junior in there, and I thought, Wow,

619
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: it's not a question if he is the best player

620
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: on the Brooklyn Nets. Like, no, I guess I mean

621
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: Claxton the best player. I don't know. It's podcast season, man,

622
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: It's podcast season for Michael Porter Junior. That's what this

623
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: is all about.

624
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely enjoying being the number one guy. He's

625
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: gonna shoot the ball all the time. He's going to

626
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: appear on a lot of podcasts. But like, it's impossible

627
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: to pick a best player for the Nets, is it,

628
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: Cam Thomas? He might lead the team in scoring. Yeah,

629
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, But that's why this tier exists for

630
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: teams like the Nets that don't necessarily have a best

631
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: player for the future yet.

632
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a role change this is for Michael Porter Junior,

633
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: going from you know, the third or fourth best player

634
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: with the Nuggets to this now in a role that

635
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: Cam Johnson had last year and he was it was

636
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: a baller. Cam Johnson was awesome. Now he's on the

637
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: Denver Nuggets as taking Michael Port Junior's role. Cam Johnson,

638
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: I think he would be in a good starter role

639
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: for me if he was back on the Brooklyn Nets.

640
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: He is a good starter. But Michael Porter Junior, I

641
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, he could shut us up. I

642
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: guess he could be a good starter.

643
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, he is a good starter for sure.

644
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: Like I kind of think that Michael Porter Junior has

645
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: become underrated just because of the size and the shooting

646
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: that he brings. He can be a decent rebounder, though

647
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: he's very inconsistent that that never passes the ball, like

648
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: I was alluding to earlier. But you don't want him

649
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: to be your best player, which is why I had

650
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: to create the tier. We'll want some more in there.

651
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: We'll see some more.

652
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Well, definitely squeeze some more. How about this, though,

653
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: Charlotte Hornet's their best player. I picked LaMelo ball twenty

654
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: five a game last year, five rebounds, seven assists in

655
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: just forty seven games. He shot forty one from the

656
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: field thirty four from three to eighty four at the line.

657
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: He is a one time All Star, but that was

658
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: the last time he was healthy, basically back in twenty

659
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: one twenty two. So I don't know. I don't know

660
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: really where to put LaMelo on this list.

661
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: It's always weird when a guy doesn't play a lot

662
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: of basketball and how he should be categorized. I think

663
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: he has to be a good starter. You said that

664
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: he hasn't made an All Star Game since he was

665
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: least healthy, so that's three seasons he hasn't made it.

666
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: But last year the fans wanted him so bad he

667
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: led Eastern Conference guard voting and so he was fun

668
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: to watch. He put up fricking a lot of points

669
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: doing it. I know the new Charlotte Hornet, Colin Sexton,

670
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: has been talking to him about being more of a

671
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: leader and being responsible. That's what the Charlotte observers is

672
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 2: reporting that he's hanging out with LaMelo Ball and saying,

673
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: come on, man, you gotta be that guy. He's never

674
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 2: been that guy. He wasn't that guy when he played

675
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: in Australia, and so that's why there was hesitancy to

676
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: make him a number one player. So I just don't

677
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 2: see him. I just don't see him making the All

678
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 2: Star Game. Now. You know, there's a chance, I guess

679
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: in the Eastern Conference, if they're winning games, if they

680
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: have if they have a different locker room, like if

681
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: Charles Lee is getting through to these players. But it's yeah,

682
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: I'm I'm leaving the other way. I'm leading an old

683
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 2: LaMelo Ball where we don't see him playing a ton. Yeah.

684
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 1: I think it's fine to put him as a good

685
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: starter because he is a talented dude and he will

686
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: be fun to watch if he ever makes it back

687
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 1: to an All Star Game. But between the injury concerns

688
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: and the Hornets being one of the worst teams in

689
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: the league. I don't foresee that being the case, so

690
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: we can throw him in good starter, fine with me.

691
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 2: I was fooled twelve months ago, Trey I said, LaMelo

692
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: Ball is wearing ankle braces for the first time in

693
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: his career. Uh huh. That's something he learned from Steph

694
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: Curry apparently last year. And I thought he'd be healthy

695
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: and he played half the season, and it was a

696
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: strange season. Even for his injuries. He was in and

697
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: out of the lineup. It was a real He's playing once,

698
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: missus twice. He's coming back two steps forward and then

699
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: one step back all the time. So I don't know.

700
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: That to me was extremely strange. How he wasn't injured

701
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: for a long period of time. I just don't know

702
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: if that'll that'll ever change.

703
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's had a lot of bad luck because I

704
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of his ankle injuries have been

705
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: from stepping on fans feet, like going into the first

706
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: row and stepping on just a random dude's foot and

707
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: then suddenly you're out for fifteen games. But that has

708
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: been the case, and the dude's got skinny legs, so

709
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: maybe he just needs to strengthen up a little bit

710
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: and stick with it with the ankle braces. And I

711
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: think it was no more of.

712
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: Those no more of those one leg fades as you

713
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: made a great short last year. Yeah, shoot off two

714
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: legs and don't fall backwards.

715
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, he could also try to play winning basketball.

716
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: That would be That would definitely help the cause for

717
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: his All Star chances and for the Hornet's chances. Another guy,

718
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with this one. Test.

719
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you take the reins. Because it's the

720
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: Chicago Bulls. I picked Josh Giddy as their best play.

721
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: I see a lot of people in the stream team

722
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: are saying Kobe White fair enough. I hope that it's

723
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: Matus Bozellis, but I don't think that's the case yet.

724
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: So I went with Giddy. He signed the big contract

725
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: with the Bulls, four years for one hundred million. Last

726
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: season fourteen points per game, eight rebounds, seven assists, though

727
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: the last third of the season he was basically at

728
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: twenty point triple double for the year. Giddy shot forty

729
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: seven from the field thirty eight from three that was

730
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 1: much improved and seventy eight at the free throw line.

731
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: So what are you doing with Josh Giddy? Test? Tell

732
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: me where to put this guy.

733
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was under the same same issue when I

734
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: was looking at this team. If Booch has to be

735
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: included in the conversation, I mean he scores a lot,

736
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: but yeah, I think they're all classified as the same thing. Anyway,

737
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: it's a solid starter. I think they're allt starter.

738
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: Okay, well, thank you. I mean, like, look, everybody knows

739
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: I'm down on Giddy. I think he could actually end

740
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 1: up anywhere. I think you're right, he has a solid starter.

741
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: He's a he's a good player. He even started for

742
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: a Thunder team that won sixty games, and when he

743
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: got even more opportunity after the Levine trade last year,

744
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: he was pretty good. It's not out of the realm

745
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: of feasibility that Giddy puts up massive numbers and gets

746
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: some All Star snub conversations. But also, I really don't

747
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: think you want Josh Getty to be your best player.

748
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: But guess what he is. So I don't know, maybe

749
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: we split the difference here. If you want him in

750
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: good starter, I can live with that.

751
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he could be at the end of a good starter,

752
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: at the end of okay, the sending, you know, we

753
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: got Lamello ball beside him.

754
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's fair. Yeah, all right, good stuff. Our

755
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: next player to rank from the Cleveland Cavaliers Donovan Mitchell

756
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: twenty four points per game, five rebounds, five assists last year,

757
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: forty four from the field, thirty seven from three, eighty

758
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: two at the line. He finished fifth in MVP voting

759
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: after an awesome season from Cleveland. He was first team

760
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: All NBA, made the All Star Team. He's made two

761
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: All NBA teams in his career six All Star Games.

762
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: So Donovan Mitchell, I do believe, will be our highest

763
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: ranking guy thus far. Where do you like him to task?

764
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: Absolutely throw him at that MVP table. I think he

765
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: belongs in the conversation you said he was fifth last year.

766
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: There's no Boston Celtics around, so there's no Jason Tatum

767
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: at this MVP table this year. The Cleveland Cavlayers are

768
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: good at winning regular season basketball games. What happens in

769
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: the playoffs is a huge question mark. But I think

770
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell should and will get the credit for a year.

771
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: I think we're going to see it improved Evan Mobley,

772
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: which I think Mitchell will benefit from. This team is

773
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: just gonna win close to sixty games. How can he

774
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: not be at that table unless you're somehow miranculously giving

775
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: it to Garland or Mobley. I think he'll be the

776
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: one who gets in there.

777
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe if Mobley takes a massive step forward he

778
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: becomes the best player on the Cavs this year, and

779
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: then it's not Mitchell. Maybe then he doesn't end up

780
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: at the MVP table. But I think even in that case,

781
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: he would settle in at all NBA because I assume

782
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: the Cabs are going to be one of the best

783
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: teams in the Eastern Conference. So the fact that he

784
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: finished top five last year, the Caves are basically bringing

785
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: everybody back outside of Tigerm. I'm happy putt him in

786
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: the MVP table. Our first guy to take a seat.

787
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: You like to be the first guy to show up

788
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: at a dinner test. I know the answers. No, I

789
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: know the answers.

790
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: No, yeah, not really No. I want to be part

791
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 2: of the camaraderie. I don't want to be Loan.

792
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true, it's true, but it's good to have

793
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: somebody show up on time. Get the reservation. Yeah, we're

794
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: all sitting here. There should be like six of us,

795
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: and that's going to be a good time. Hey the

796
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: Western Conference? Ever heard of it?

797
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

798
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: The Western Conference? The Dallas Mavericks, I chose Anthony Davis

799
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: as their best player. Twenty five points per game, twelve

800
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: rebounds for assists last year between the Lakers and the Mavericks,

801
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: fifty two from the field, twenty eight from three, seventy

802
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: eight percent at the line in only fifty one games

803
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 1: for Anthony Davis, he did make the All Star team.

804
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: He has made five All NBA teams in his career,

805
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: including four first teams. And Anthony Davis, I don't know

806
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: if I would have picked this task. He's a ten

807
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: time All Star. He's already made ten All Star games

808
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: in his career. So, Anthony Davis, where you got this guy?

809
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: When you just said ten All Stars? I have to

810
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: have him as an All Star. I mean when he

811
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: is not seriously hurt, which happens most of the time.

812
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: Because he's a ten time All Star. As he said, Trey,

813
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: I'm throwing him there. All Star assumed that, Yeah, that's

814
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 2: where I would put him. I totally agree with you.

815
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: Ten freaking All Star appearances is wild. When he was

816
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: named to the top seventy five team and they said that, well,

817
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: he was eight at the time, an a time All Star,

818
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: I thought, whoa dude? Even then, that was a lot.

819
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 2: But it just keeps growing and growing. And yes, he

820
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: is their best player because Kyrie's out, so it's not

821
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: even really a discussion where would you put him?

822
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: I think the question is is he between all NBA

823
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: and All Star Games played? Is an issue for making

824
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: All NBA teams with Anthony Davis. He also won't have

825
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: a setup man like he's had in the past with

826
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: Lebron there because it's Dangel Russell is the point guard.

827
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: Maybe Cooper flag is awesome and is a great setup

828
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: man for AD, but I think it's more likely this

829
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: season that he ends up on the All Star team

830
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: than in the All NBA discussion.

831
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, it's such a mysterious team because I feel

832
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: like they're ceiling can be fairly high. He's got that

833
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,479
Speaker 2: chemistry with D'Angel Russell. Their new starting point guard Cooper

834
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 2: Flagg obviously is gonna be freaking good. Derek Liiveley's gonna

835
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: play basketball again. I think he's a super talented player,

836
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 2: so they have so many good options. It is the West, though,

837
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: but yeah, you're right. I mean it could be he

838
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: could literally be an All NBA player. But I think

839
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: All Star is there's a solid pick that I feel

840
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: like he can't go wrong with that one.

841
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's would you have him? I put

842
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: him ahead of Trey Young and Jalen Brown just because

843
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: I feel like Ad when he plays is like a

844
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: guaranteed All Star. The other two are more question marks. Yeah,

845
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: so I think that's all right?

846
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, next one. Yeah, it's a good debate between him

847
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: and Trey, but sure, yeah, all right.

848
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: Next one should be pretty easy. The Denver Nuggets, Nikola

849
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: Jokic is their best player. Last year, he averaged thirty

850
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: points per game, thirteen rebounds, and ten assists while shooting

851
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: fifty eight from the field, forty two from three, and

852
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: eighty percent at the free throw line for all of

853
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: his exploits. He finished second in MVP voting, First Team

854
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: All NBA. He's an All Star. He's a three time MVP.

855
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: He's a seven time All NBA player, five of those

856
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: on the first team, and he is a seven time

857
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: All Star. He is sitting at the MVP.

858
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: Table asutely, and I know people are here in the

859
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 2: stream team. I gotta go back with Tom Fabric saying

860
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell, Well, I mean that there's other guys like

861
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: Jokic and Shay and ye honest, I get it. I

862
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 2: get it. But the table was you know, we always

863
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 2: debate how many seats there are. It's bigger than you.

864
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 1: Think, bigger than you think. Yeah, there's a five players

865
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: on the ballot, so we have to have at least

866
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: five people at the table. But nobody wants to be

867
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: the fifth wheel, so we have to have at least six.

868
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: I feel like at the MVP table. Jokic is an

869
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: easy ad at MVP. Maybe we'll talk a little bit

870
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: more about him later when we've added some other dudes

871
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: to the MVP table that we know are going to

872
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: be there, and we can talk about who's the best player.

873
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: Because I've seen people in the stream team say Yokic

874
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: is the world's best player. JJ, I do agree with you.

875
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: We'll talk about a little bit later, all right. Next

876
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: we're back to the Eastern Conference. It's the Detroit Pistons

877
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: and Cad Cunningham is their best player. Twenty six points

878
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: per game, six rebounds, nine assists. Last year, shot forty

879
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: seven from the field, thirty six from three, and eighty

880
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: five percent the line. He made third Team All NBA,

881
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: made his first All Star Game and that was the

882
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: first time actually for both of those honors for Kaid

883
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: cunning And he also made me look like a complete

884
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: fool because I thought this guy sucked him. Guess what,

885
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: He's actually really really good. So task where are you

886
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: putting Kid Cunningham.

887
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: What an interesting season with Detroit coming up because this

888
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: team was, like, you know, Kate was good, but this

889
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: team was pretty much a five hundred team until they

890
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 2: got Dennis Shrewder at the All Star Game. Then they

891
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 2: turned it up. They got way better. They became a

892
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: forty four win team. And I'm so curious without him,

893
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: who went to Sacramento without Molie Beasley who currently is unsigned,

894
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: but he could come back to Detroit. I guess they've

895
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: replaced him with Duncan Robinson and Kris Lvert is there

896
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: to replace Dennis Shrewder. Very interesting. I think there's no

897
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: question that he is easily an All Star. Is he

898
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 2: an All NBA player? Yeah, He's one of those borderline

899
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: guys that it could happen again, and that would make

900
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: sense to me. I know he was part of the

901
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: MVP freaking conversation last year, so yeah, he's one of

902
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: those borderline All NBA players to me, All Star of

903
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: lock for sure.

904
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me to see the Pistons take a

905
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: slight step back this year. Like you mentioned the players

906
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: they lost, the players they brought in. Maybe it's a wash,

907
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: maybe they got a little worse. Maybe it clicks and

908
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: they got a little better, but about the same. But

909
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: they won thirty more games last year than they won

910
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: in the twenty three to twenty four season, So it

911
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprising to see them shoot up, then level

912
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: out a little bit, then have another bit of an improvement.

913
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: But I still do think Kate is going to make

914
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: All NBA this season. He had an argument to make

915
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: second team like you're saying, he got MVP votes last season,

916
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: and with getting j with getting Ivy back, I don't

917
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be worse this year. So I'm happy

918
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: with Kate as an All NBA guy.

919
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I keep overlooking Jade and Ivy's turn. Who's I

920
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: think going to be really solid for them. He is

921
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: a rock. I love Jay and Ivy, so yeah, you're right,

922
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 2: I'm comfortable putting him at the All NBA spot.

923
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: All right, sounds good. Back to the Western Conference, the

924
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors their best player. It's still Stephan Curry,

925
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: still the best American player. According to a recent ESPN survey.

926
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: Last year, Steph went for twenty five points per game,

927
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: four rebounds, and six assists while shooting forty five, forty

928
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: and ninety three across the line. Second Team All NBA

929
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: for Steph Curry made the All Star Team No Dah,

930
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: two time MBA and NBA MVP eleven times on the

931
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: All NBA team, only four first teams though honestly crazy

932
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: that only four first teams, but eleven time All Star

933
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: as well for Steph Curry. I think the question here

934
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,959
Speaker 1: is do you put him at the MVP table because

935
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: it's been a while since Steph has actually finished super

936
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 1: high in MVP voting.

937
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. I did automatically. I do

938
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: think that the Warriors are being the ninety seven ninety

939
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: eight Bulls this season and saying this is the final season,

940
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 2: and I think they're coming together here in the training

941
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: camp area, training camp time of the season, when you

942
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: know Trey and Jimmy Butler are practicing together, I think

943
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: they're going to be all business from the get go.

944
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: So this team is going to be up there in

945
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: Western Conference standings. I don't see how you think so. Yeah,

946
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: I think so. I know it's a freaking odd question.

947
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: Right now, they have nine guys on their team.

948
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: They have nine guys. They can't even run a full

949
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: practice right now.

950
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but all of a sudden, whenever this cominga thing happens, Damn,

951
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 2: here comes our man Al Horford. Bam, Here comes our

952
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: man Seth Curry. Bam. They're other old ass guys now,

953
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: I think others. I think Steph was going to get

954
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: all the credit basically, even though you know they are

955
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 2: signed for two years. I think they're ready to get

956
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: this going after the way last year started. Yeah, I'm

957
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: putting them up there. Obviously he's an All NBA player,

958
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 2: but I would throw him in that MVP category.

959
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Last year ninth in MVP voting.

960
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: He hasn't finished top five since twenty twenty one. Obviously,

961
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: hasn't won it since twenty sixteen. I don't think Steph

962
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: Curry's ever going to win another MVP, and I don't

963
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: think the Warriors are going to have a great regular

964
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: season record. I think they're going to be a tough

965
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: playoff team, assuming Steph, Jimmy, and Draymond are all healthy

966
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: in April and May. But I think the regular season

967
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: is going to be a little bit more of a

968
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: struggle for Golden State. With the question marks of the

969
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: team's health and the depth that they're going to have.

970
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: I would lean towards All NBA, and I definitely know

971
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about Stephan Curry as an MVP candidate

972
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: because he always has a stretch of the season where

973
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: he looks like one of the best players in the league,

974
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: still looks like a top three guy when he's shooting

975
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: fifty percent from three rather than just a easily forty percent.

976
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: But I just don't foresee him finishing top five in

977
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: MVP anymore.

978
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 2: I hear it when you said that it's been since

979
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one that obviously you know, history tells the story.

980
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 2: I'm totally fine putting him at all NBA. That being said,

981
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: I do think just like last year when a man

982
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: d Anthony Melton was running the show to start the season,

983
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 2: and they look like a different team with him and

984
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: Buddy Heels. I think in the same light, they're going

985
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 2: to start the season way better knowing who they are.

986
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, listen, there's only so much room at the

987
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: MVP table. I think he'll be part of the conversation.

988
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: But all NBA is cool with me.

989
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: You know, we'll move chairs around. Like if stuff shows

990
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: up and he wants to sit down at the MVP table,

991
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 1: people will make room for him. He's a great guy

992
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: to have at a dinner party. He's got these stories.

993
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: He just went to the US Open. You know, the

994
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: guy loves tennis, now loves golf. He's just good at

995
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: every thing. I wonder what that guy's gonna do with

996
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: this post NBA career, like go to the Senior PGA

997
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: Tour or something like that. That'd be pretty cool.

998
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: That's a great question. Yeah, he broke the whether or

999
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: not he plays on the three all three by three,

1000
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: three x three, that's what you call it right in

1001
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: the Olympics.

1002
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't call it three on three x.

1003
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yes, speaking of sitting in different places, like

1004
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: sitting at a chair at the MVP table, I was

1005
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: sitting on the toilet doing our no dunk shows last

1006
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: year when Steph Curry was cooking and it looked like

1007
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 2: he was part of that MVP table. It was. It

1008
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: was an odd season for them. Like to me, it

1009
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 2: feels like this is it. We got to do this

1010
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: right here, right now. So I think Jimmy is taken

1011
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 2: last year's season where he wasn't himself at all with

1012
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: the Miami Heat for the first couple of years or

1013
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: a couple months, I should say, it wasn't close to himself.

1014
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: I think him and Dre are getting getting busy. This

1015
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: team's gonna win more games than people expect.

1016
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: Should be interesting to see our next team. We talk

1017
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: bottom a lot already to ask this the Houston Rockets.

1018
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: I picked Shanguon is their best player? You can tell

1019
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: me it's Kevin Durant for sure, but he hasn't yet

1020
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: played a game for the Rockets. It's all photo shops

1021
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: when it comes to Kevin Durant. So I am going

1022
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: with shan Gun had an awesome euro Basket and also

1023
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: last season he was really good for the Rockets. Nineteen

1024
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: points per game, ten rebounds, five assists, fifty percent from

1025
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: the field twenty three from three seventy percent at the line,

1026
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: made his first All Star team.

1027
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 2: Where you got Shangun, You're right, Shanguon is their most

1028
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: important player, whether or not Kevin Durant is their best player.

1029
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: I think Shangun is so key. We already talked about

1030
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: if he can replace a little bit of what Fred

1031
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: gave them playmaking and just in terms of bringing that

1032
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 2: thing together. I think he's a lock for an All

1033
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: Star forever. I think this is it. I mean he's

1034
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 2: not He's He's not going back to just a starter

1035
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: and maybe good. He's gonna be an All Star for

1036
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 2: a long time. I think, Yeah, the All End question

1037
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: is a fair question. I think you could easily put

1038
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 2: him there too, because this team should be good enough

1039
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 2: to have one guy make the All NBA team from

1040
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: their roster. And yeah, whether or not it's him or Durant,

1041
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: that's what it comes down to, really, But I'm comfortable

1042
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: putting him in All NBA.

1043
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: Oh all right, I well, I'll listen to an All

1044
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: NBA case for Alpa and Shengun because I do think

1045
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: the Rockets are still going to be good despite the

1046
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: loss of Fred van Vliet. This maybe even makes Sheng

1047
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: Gun's baby Jokic sort of style of play more important

1048
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: for the Rockets, and ima Udoka should really lean into that,

1049
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: using him as a playmaking hub and Jokic like with

1050
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: the way players can fly around him. They need his

1051
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: ball handling and creation that we saw for the Turkish

1052
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: national team. That's what they need in Houston now that

1053
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: Fred van Vliet is going to be missing at least

1054
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: a humongous chunk of the season. So to hear you say,

1055
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: Shangun is the best dude for the Rockets, and I

1056
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: think it's worthy to put him up there for the

1057
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: All NBA team. He could have made it last year, definitely,

1058
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: with the Rockets taken such a massive step forward. But

1059
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 1: he did get that All Star nod, so you know,

1060
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: he got some sort of honor last year. Maybe it's

1061
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: a bigger one this year.

1062
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he was the biggest snub from those All

1063
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: NBA teams. He was sixteenth of the best fifteen teams.

1064
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: Roberto Aguilar reminding me of that, and I just checked

1065
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: just to confirm that is totally correct. He was close.

1066
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 2: He was the sixteenth best NBA player last year, but

1067
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: I guess he was top six non American. I don't know.

1068
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: I just already hate this idea with this USA versus

1069
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: the World voting thing.

1070
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: That's going to be confusing when we get to All

1071
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: Star time, because you know we're going to default into

1072
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: Eastern and Western Conference. But I guess we're going to

1073
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: just have to wait for the NBA to say what

1074
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: the rules and regulations are weird in the Eastern Conference.

1075
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: A world player here tasks I picked Pascal Siakam as

1076
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: the best player for the Pacers considering Tyres Halliburton's achilles

1077
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: injury in Game seven in the finals. So Siakam is

1078
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: the guy. Twenty points per game, seven rebounds, three assists

1079
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: last year, shot fifty two, thirty nine and seventy three

1080
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: from the field, three point and free throw line, respectively.

1081
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: Siakam did make the All Star team last year, made

1082
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: All NBA twice playing with Toronto, and is a three

1083
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: time All Star for his NBA career. I think he's

1084
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: probably All Star tier here. But if you want to

1085
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: pitch me on all NBA, i'd listen. We're shitting good.

1086
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,320
Speaker 1: We're we're Siakam lovers here on no dunks.

1087
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: Ye I wish I could, I wish I could pitch

1088
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: hard for All NBA. I was, I was doing the math.

1089
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I was. Is he a top fifteen player in

1090
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 2: this league? He could be, but he hasn't made one

1091
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 2: since twenty one twenty two. I think he needs somebody

1092
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: beside him who is awesome to actually make it to

1093
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: All NBA. So that's why I would just put him

1094
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: as an All Star because I'm a little worried about

1095
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 2: even though the Pacers are gonna be freaking good, They're

1096
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: gonna be They're gonna be solid, and I don't know

1097
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: if they have enough capability to bring him a way

1098
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 2: above five hundred, and I think that will factor in

1099
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: a little bit in All start or excuse me, All

1100
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 2: NBA voting.

1101
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he thrives with the playmaker. He's really good without

1102
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: a playmaker. So we'll see what the loss of Haliburton

1103
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: does for Siakam. I still picked the Pacers as the

1104
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: most overachieving team in the league this year on one

1105
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: of our earlier podcasts, So I still think the Pacers

1106
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: will survive, but it's gonna be on them hard to

1107
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 1: get Siakam. The easy baskets that Siakam feasts on, especially

1108
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: in the open court but I still think at the

1109
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: very least an All starlight player. We've only gone through

1110
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: twelve teams.

1111
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 2: Test.

1112
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a nine thousand minute podcast, but

1113
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: let's keep moving. The LA Clippers, look, Kawhi Leonard is

1114
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: their best player. Kawhi Leonard is the best player on

1115
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: the LA Clippers, but A he rarely plays, and B

1116
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: his contract might end up being voided because of some

1117
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: pre planting shenanigans. I think that probably James Harden is

1118
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: the guy you pick as the best player. You could

1119
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: tell me zubots if you wanted, but I got hardened.

1120
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: So I think Kawhi and Harden probably end up on

1121
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: the same level here. But last year, in just thirty

1122
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: seven games, Kawhi went for twenty two, six and three

1123
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: fifty forty one and eighty one was his slash lines.

1124
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: He's a six time All NBA player, three times on

1125
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: the first team, six times as an All Star. Where

1126
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 1: you got Kawhi Leonard.

1127
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 2: He doesn't fit. He doesn't fit into this tier, especially

1128
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 2: because I don't even know if he starts the season.

1129
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: I mean, he's healthy enough, he's fine, but he didn't

1130
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: last year and that was probably the best way to

1131
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: go about making sure he was healthy for the playoffs.

1132
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: He didn't play until January and it worked out. But

1133
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 2: he hasn't been an All Star much. He's been an

1134
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 2: All Star much recently. I should say, he's only got

1135
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 2: one appearance in his last four years. And yeah, maybe

1136
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: I'm down on it because of what's going on with

1137
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: the Clippers. They're gonna get hit hard. But I do

1138
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: agree like Kawhi and James Hardener are sort of in

1139
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: that same category. They're fading from the All Star status

1140
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: even though you watch them in the postseason and he

1141
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: can literally beat the Denver Nuggets like he did. Game

1142
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: two was freaking awesome in that series. They went to

1143
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 2: seven games, But it doesn't fit in an eighty two

1144
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: regular season game rank in here to me.

1145
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are three players on this list that deserve

1146
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: their own tier. Everybody can name them off the top

1147
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: of their heads, and you just don't know where to

1148
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: put him. It's Kawhi, It's Embeid, and it's Zion Williamson.

1149
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: When they played. They're three of the top ten players

1150
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: in the NBA. But they play thirty to forty games

1151
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,919
Speaker 1: a season, So where do you rank them? I'm fine

1152
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: putting Kawhi at the very end of the All Star

1153
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: tier here, because like we're saying, if it's not Kawhi,

1154
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: I think you could sub in James Harden as a

1155
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: guy who is in the All Star conversation for a

1156
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: Clippers team that at the very least is going to

1157
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: be good and competitive, same way Harden made the All

1158
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: Star team last year. It's like, your team is good,

1159
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: you deserve an All Star. It'll be one of those

1160
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: two guys. If Kawhi plays enough, it'll be him, if Harden.

1161
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: If Kawhi doesn't, or if he somehow ends up on

1162
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: another team or has to take some classes at a

1163
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: nature center, it would be James Harden. So this is

1164
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: where you're living, Kawhi Leonard.

1165
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I'm fine. I mean he's getting old,

1166
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 2: you know, for a guy who's always injured. He is

1167
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: thirty four, and so I wonder, yeah, if they get

1168
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: him going from the get go, that obviously gives him

1169
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 2: a better case along with James Harden. As you said,

1170
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: there's got to be a one player from this team.

1171
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 2: Norman Powell ain't making it like he almost did last year.

1172
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: Is super duper close. I guess it could be Zubats

1173
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: actually because he's so awesome. Yeah, so there's that, there's

1174
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 2: that chance, But yeah, there's I think there's just the

1175
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: goodest chance of one of them making it as not

1176
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: making it. And it could be could be the Zoob.

1177
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: Could be the zoob as they say, hey, must be

1178
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: the Zoob the Los Angeles one guy.

1179
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: Don't worry. I know we're super long. We all go

1180
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: super long, and that's okay. I just I want to

1181
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 2: throw a LaMelo ball into that guy. Who who the hell?

1182
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: Where the hell is a category for this guy along

1183
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 2: with your injury guys. I mean yeah, I just want to.

1184
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: Know if they play dot dot dot, maybe it would

1185
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: be the category name for that one.

1186
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: Okay, just like definitely LaMelo.

1187
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: Uh, he's on the mount rushmore of that for right

1188
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 1: now along with those three guys. Los Angeles Lakers is

1189
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: our next team to discuss him. For the first time ever,

1190
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: Lebron James is not the best player on his team.

1191
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,439
Speaker 1: It's Luka Doncic. Last year twenty eight, eight and eight

1192
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: and only fifty games between the Mavericks and the Lakers.

1193
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: Remember when Luka Doncics was on the Mavericks. Uh for

1194
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: the first time since his rookie Luca was not an

1195
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: All NBA First Teamer or an All Star. That's because

1196
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: he only played fifty games. But when he has played,

1197
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: Luca is one of the best players in the league.

1198
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: Five time All NBA, five First Teams, five All Star

1199
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: appearances as well. He also was on the cover of

1200
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: Men's Health magazine. He skips breakfast now tasks. So Luka

1201
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: Doncic is going in the MVP tire. It's just a

1202
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: matter of where do you put him ahead of Jokich,

1203
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: behind Jokicic, ahead of Mitchell, behind Mitchell. What you got.

1204
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 2: That is a great, great call. Number one. I think

1205
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 2: this Dony breakfast thing is over. That was an off

1206
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: season thing. You need the breakfast, dude. And not to

1207
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 2: be a Lee Ellis about things, but I think when

1208
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: you're playing, like during the during the offseason and you're

1209
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 2: just getting your work at it and you want to

1210
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 2: get cut as much as possible. Yeah, fine, but not

1211
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 2: during the regular season. He's definitely behind Jokic. Okay, no question,

1212
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 2: no question. Put we put him above Mitchell. I'm a

1213
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: little feisty when it comes to Luca as the MVP.

1214
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: I do it well. Not every year. Last year I

1215
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: think was the first year I picked him as MVP.

1216
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: It didn't freaking happen, obviously, So even though I want

1217
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 2: to stick him at the end of the table, just

1218
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 2: just just make sure that chair fits. We got room

1219
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: for one more. No, I think I think he belongs

1220
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 2: ahead of Donovan Mitchell in this conversation right now.

1221
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna have way better numbers than Mitchell. Well,

1222
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, a big part of the reason the Cats

1223
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: had success last season was Mitchell taking a little bit

1224
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: of a step back. That Mint is scoring and his

1225
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: assists went down, but that was better for the team.

1226
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: Luca is gonna, you know, challenge for the league lead

1227
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: in scoring with Shay Gilgess Alexander. I did think it

1228
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: was hilarious though, that there was reports that the Lakers

1229
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: saw how well Luca played at euro Basket and they're like, Okay,

1230
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: now we're comfortable building around this guy.

1231
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: Huh.

1232
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: He was pretty good, even he wasn't in the best

1233
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: shape of his life and was playing through an injury.

1234
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, Luka, Doncic, you're at the MVP table and

1235
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: you will be for I don't know as many seasons

1236
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: as you are healthy enough to play sixty five plus games.

1237
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: The Memphis Grizzlies are our next team. I chose Jamaran

1238
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: as their best player. You can tell me it's Jaron

1239
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: Jackson Junior. But I think the Grizzlies will be at

1240
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: their best when Ja Morant is at his best. Kind

1241
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: of a weird year from Morant last year twenty three

1242
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: a game, four rebound, seven assists, though he was much

1243
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: better after Taylor Jenkins was dismissed and Thomas Islo was

1244
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: the head coach for the Grizzlies. Ja's a one time

1245
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: All NBA player, two time All Star. Where would you

1246
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: put Jah Morant tests It's.

1247
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 2: A great question. I definitely think Jaron Jackson is their

1248
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: best player, but like you're saying, as Jago's the Memphis

1249
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 2: Grizzlies go, he is extremely important to this team, so

1250
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: after last year, I think I would just throw him

1251
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: at solid starter, which sounds this weird for John Morant.

1252
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 2: But is he going to play enough? Is all a

1253
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 2: part of that question, So I'm comfortable throwing him at

1254
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: the end of the All Stars. But I think with

1255
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: the Memphis Grizzlies, Jared Jackson Junior is going to be

1256
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 2: the guy who gets the label or gets thrown into

1257
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 2: the All Star Game before John Morant, So that's why

1258
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 2: I have him at this solid starter spot.

1259
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: Look, you might be right. The last time John Rant

1260
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: made an All Star Game was twenty twenty three. Part

1261
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: of that is due to injuries and suspension, but it's

1262
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: still been three years. Like, when I think of John Morant,

1263
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: I definitely don't think of him as just a good starter.

1264
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think that's kind of fair

1265
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: for right now. We could look like fools at the

1266
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: end of the season or maybe halfway through. But you know,

1267
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: John was part of the problem last year for Memphis

1268
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,760
Speaker 1: and I think his beefing with Taylor Jenkins is the

1269
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: reason that he is let go. So yeah, good starter.

1270
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: But I'm hoping for bounce back season for John Morant

1271
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: because I like watching that guy play and when he's

1272
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: at his best, he's awesome.

1273
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally up to him as far as how

1274
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: committed he is to the tu almost slo era of

1275
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 2: this team and just being in that locker room and

1276
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: getting things going, because I think Jared Jackson Junior is

1277
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 2: not going anywhere. He's just going to be super good

1278
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,959
Speaker 2: for a long time. This Grizzlies so interesting in terms

1279
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: of getting rid of Desmond Van and starting this new

1280
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: era without really breaking it up. So yeah, there's a

1281
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 2: responsibility on John Moran's shoulders here. It's a little it's

1282
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: a little lamello ish, you know, like, are you going

1283
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 2: to bring this locker room together? You are obviously super

1284
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:53,479
Speaker 2: duper talented. So yeah, he is borderline. It could could

1285
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: be an All Star, but I threw him there just

1286
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 2: because Jaron Jackson junior season was so fricking good last

1287
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 2: year and he looks like to me as a guy

1288
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 2: who ain't going nowhere as far as this NBA goes

1289
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 2: and All Star appearances go, You're.

1290
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: Right, maybe I should have chose Jared Jackson junior. He

1291
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 1: got a lot better last season going and getting buckets

1292
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: on his own, and he's obviously a great defensive player.

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01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: I also like what Connor said here in the stream

1294
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: team job behind Kawhi is the right choice, same risk,

1295
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: worst reward. That's absolutely right. So he talked me into it.

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01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 1: Tests John Moran. He's a good starter man. That guy

1297
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: had a chance to be the best American player of

1298
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: his generation. So did Zion Williamson has not yet happened.

1299
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: Here's a substitution I had to make yesterday after the

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01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: Tyler Hero news. It would be Tyler Hero as the

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01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: best player for the Miami Heat. I think, I don't know.

1302
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: It's a toss up between him and the guy I

1303
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: ended up choosing Bam out of Bio last year eighteen

1304
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: a game, ten rebounds, four assists for Bam. He is

1305
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: a three time All Star, but didn't make it last year.

1306
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: Where you got Bam?

1307
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this one was so tough. It feels odd

1308
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 2: excluding him from the All Stars. But I have him

1309
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: as a solid starter, especially because Tyler Hero is out

1310
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 2: for a decent amount of time here and I think

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01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 2: the Heat will be We'll be fine considering they're in

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01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference, so there's a chance he makes the

1313
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 2: All Star Game. He is more just of a play

1314
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,439
Speaker 2: with incredible players and they'll make you better type of guy.

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01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 2: He is very, very important to teams defensively, but it's

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01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 2: hard to pick him as an All Star unless the

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01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 2: number one year team is really good around you, and

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01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 2: just because of his offensive liabilities a little bit, he

1319
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 2: just can't be relied on as a score. So I

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01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 2: have him as a solid starter. What do you got

1321
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 2: him at I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: The borderline All Star is probably true as well, but

1323
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm down on the Heat in general. I think BAM

1324
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: had a disappointing season, at least through the first half

1325
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: last year. I know he improved as the year went on,

1326
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: but he's not a super reliable offensive player. He is

1327
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: a great defensive player. Brings a lot of switchability to

1328
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: the Heat, which is what their identity is built on.

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Speaker 1: But I think that makes it tough to be an

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01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: All Star. You know, there's not going to be a

1331
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: ton of just defense first players, especially if we're giving

1332
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 1: eight slots to the world, which maybe cuts into BAMS

1333
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: as well. So I think having him as a solid

1334
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: starter is pretty good. Another guy, though, we're going to

1335
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: be adding, I'm sure to the MVP table. It's the

1336
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks. Giannis ant Toakupo is their best player. Thirty

1337
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: a game, twelve rebounds, seven assists. Last year he finished

1338
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: third in MVP voting. He was First team All NBA,

1339
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: made the All Star Team. He's won two MVPs. He's

1340
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: nine times on the All NBA team, including seven straight

1341
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: first teams. He's also made nine All Star teams, so

1342
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: Janni's MVP table tassy.

1343
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 2: No question Jannis Dakupo is joining the MVP table. The

1344
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 2: question is who does he bump out of their seat?

1345
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 2: Obviously ahead of Donovan Mitchell. Does he bump Luca is

1346
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: a question.

1347
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,839
Speaker 1: He gives you the defense. You got more defense from jannas.

1348
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not going to be super far off

1349
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: on assist totals either, because he's going to have to

1350
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: play some sort of point guard role for Milwaukee this season.

1351
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: But janis as long as he plays sixty five games,

1352
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,599
Speaker 1: the guy finishes top four in MVP every single year.

1353
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: The guy puts up crazy numbers sixty percent from the

1354
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: field last year, thirty points per game.

1355
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 2: That's shack Like, yes, I would throw Jannis over Luca

1356
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: at the table myself. This guy makes friends with everybody.

1357
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 2: He knows what international relations is all about, whether it's

1358
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: an American and Donovan or a Turkish player in Alpera

1359
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 2: and Shengon, who he called after he had a little

1360
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 2: controversy after euro Basket and they had a conversation like,

1361
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 2: you'll be buddies with yokich'll be buddies with Luca. Yeah,

1362
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 2: I'm kind of tired of overlooking Ginny. I think that's

1363
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 2: happened a little bit. But where the Bucks end up

1364
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: is a part of that. People literally have have them

1365
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 2: as far as down as like five hundred, like as

1366
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 2: a five to six even playing team. So that's that's

1367
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,640
Speaker 2: going to be a factor in his MVP voting. But

1368
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 2: I think he'll get there no matter what the situation,

1369
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 2: no matter who's freaking playing guard, because that's a huge

1370
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 2: question for that team, big time question.

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01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: Last year, the Bucks won forty eight games. That was

1372
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 1: with Damian Lillard still in town, even though he was

1373
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: banged up quite a bit. Yannis was banged up quite

1374
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 1: a bit. But if they approach forty eight wins this season,

1375
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 1: if they even get to forty five, I think Jannis's

1376
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: MVP case is going to be stronger that has been

1377
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: in years past because you look at that roster and

1378
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: it is kind of a disaster. It's gonna have to

1379
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: be even more of a Jani's carry job than we've

1380
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: seen from Milwaukee. It's gonna have to be like Janis

1381
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: on Greece for the Bucks to be a challenging team

1382
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference. But he's that good. Jannis is

1383
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: awesome man.

1384
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 2: Yes, He's there all right.

1385
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: This is one of Jannis's favorite players. He chose Anthony Davis,

1386
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards, and Kawhi Leonard as his favorite players in

1387
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: the league. He loves two way guys. So from the

1388
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: Minnesota Timberwolves, Anthony Edwards, he's their best player. Twenty eight

1389
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: six and five last year, forty five from the field,

1390
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:40,839
Speaker 1: forty percent from three, one of the best three point shooters,

1391
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: maybe the best in the league. Statistically last year eighty

1392
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: four at the line. Made All MBA Second Team, made

1393
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:48,640
Speaker 1: the All Star Team. He is a two time All

1394
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: NBA and a three time All Star. So, Anthony Edwards,

1395
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: how high up are you going to be putting the

1396
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: ant man?

1397
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 2: How big is this table? Decided? Because it is fun

1398
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 2: at the end of the at the end of the

1399
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 2: season to talk about five guys. But is that too

1400
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: tight of a table? Here? Because Anthony Edwards has been

1401
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: voted seventh highest in MVP voting two years in a row. Okay,

1402
01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 2: he ain't getting worse. There's no way he's getting worse.

1403
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 2: I think this team is going to be just as solid.

1404
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 2: I think he'll come grow up a little bit more.

1405
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 2: Despite nikkiel Aleasonder Roker Leiaving. I think he'll he'll make

1406
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 2: sure that team is incredible and he's going to be

1407
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 2: that good. But you know, top five is like, that's

1408
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 2: a that's getting a little tight in terms of voting.

1409
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: For me, I can see Anthony Edwards getting MVP votes

1410
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: this year. The timber Wolves have made back to back

1411
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: conference finals. I know that's postseason, but it tells me

1412
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: that the Timberwolves are still a good team. They've got

1413
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: good continuity. And the thing I love with Aunt is

1414
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: that he adds something to his game every Yearlast year

1415
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: it was the three point shot. Became confident shooting it

1416
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: off the dribble, took a ton of them, shot forty percent.

1417
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 1: The next step for him is blending his playmaking with

1418
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: his scoring. He can be a good playmaker, but he's

1419
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 1: obviously wired to get a bucket. So I think the

1420
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: Timberwolves need him to be a better playmaker this year.

1421
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: With Mike Conley continuing to decline, with Nikhil Alexander Walking

1422
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: Walker going to Atlanta, and with Rob Dillingham still a

1423
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: question mark as kind of the backup guard there, it

1424
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 1: I would have Anthony Edwards at the MVP table. I

1425
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 1: know we're going to be adding a couple of more

1426
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: guys going forward, but he's got the stats to get

1427
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: close to get some votes, and I think he'll take

1428
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 1: even another half step forward this year. So I don't

1429
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 1: know how high up I would like Edwards, but I

1430
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: do think he's got a chance to get a surprise

1431
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 1: top five finish in MVP voting.

1432
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 2: Yes, he belongs at that table. He may be the

1433
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 2: best American player very soon, you know, when when the

1434
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 2: old guys retire, it could be his. I think there's

1435
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 2: a chance of that. So he belongs. He belongs, even

1436
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 2: though he doesn't want all that start him, As he said,

1437
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 2: he does want to be the face of the NBA.

1438
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 2: You're going to be the face that the server comes

1439
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,599
Speaker 2: and talks to when he comes to the table and

1440
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 2: has a question, what are you guys ordering?

1441
01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: That's a great question. That's a question we'll have to

1442
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 1: answer once we've put everybody at the table. Who would

1443
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: do the ordering? Like who would take charge of the table.

1444
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: Because you might say Jokic or Shay are the best

1445
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: players in the league, I don't think either of them

1446
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: is taking the lead when it comes to ordering the

1447
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: food for the table. So table that until now we'll see,

1448
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 1: we'll have to hear who people think is actually the

1449
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 1: restaurant dictators we used to call Mattio when we would

1450
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: have our group dinners back in the day to New Orleans.

1451
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 2: I know, I know who's doing it, but we'll save

1452
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: it for when he joins the table.

1453
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: Excellent, the New Orleans Pelicans. I got Zion Williamson as

1454
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: their best player. I don't know who else you could choose,

1455
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: maybe Jose Alvarado. But last year thirty games for Zion,

1456
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: of course, twenty five seven and five assists. He's a

1457
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: two time All Star. Last time he made it was

1458
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: in the twenty two twenty three season. So Zion's in

1459
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: a if they play dot dot dot category, but that

1460
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: doesn't exist. So you want him as a starter, you

1461
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: want him as an All Star? I don't know.

1462
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got him as a starter. He like you said,

1463
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 2: he hasn't played in an All Star game the last

1464
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 2: two seasons, and in twenty three twenty four when he

1465
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 2: didn't play in one, he actually played his most games,

1466
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 2: which is strange to think about it. He played seventy

1467
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 2: games in that season and he still didn't make it.

1468
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,679
Speaker 2: This was a team that was eleven games over five

1469
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 2: hundred at the All Star break. Now, I know All

1470
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 2: Star picks don't get picked right at the All Star Game,

1471
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 2: and they were a little bit more like three or

1472
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 2: four games of five hundred when they made the selection. Still,

1473
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 2: that's freaking Zion who played seventy games and he was really,

1474
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 2: really good, But he was kind of like a lot

1475
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 2: of those guys at the MVP table when it came

1476
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,839
Speaker 2: to making their selection for dinner. He kind of allowed

1477
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 2: Brandon Ingram to lead and other guys to do that

1478
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 2: kind of thing. He didn't He didn't assert himself like

1479
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 2: he could have. And so I think that's I assume

1480
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 2: that's kind of like what Zion is going to do

1481
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 2: this year. He's not going to have he's not going

1482
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 2: to try and take every shot, he's not going to

1483
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 2: try and score every single possession, and I think that's

1484
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 2: what helped get him to seventy games that year. And

1485
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 2: so I see a world where Zion does not make

1486
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,719
Speaker 2: the All Star Game, even though he's a freaking weird

1487
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 2: thing to say, he could be one of the top

1488
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 2: ten players in the freaking world. But I don't know

1489
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 2: if I put him on the All Star Game. It's

1490
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 2: just can't bet on it, that's for.

1491
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: Sure, exactly right. You can't expect him to play enough

1492
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: games and be healthy enough to make the All Star team.

1493
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: So good starter is where he ends up. Unfortunately. Really

1494
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 1: bummed out though that Joe Dumars is so involved with

1495
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Pelicans because Will Gillery over at the

1496
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: Athletic was reporting that responsibility and accountability are the two

1497
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,719
Speaker 1: big words with Zion Williams and I think everybody agrees

1498
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: that those are two things that need to improve for

1499
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: Zion to reach his peak, if he ever can. But

1500
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 1: coming from Joe Dumars's mouth, when I've heard him say

1501
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: the same thing about the All Star Game for the

1502
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 1: past five seasons, I'm like, well, that's never gonna happen then,

1503
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: because the guy's always telling me it's all about accountability,

1504
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,320
Speaker 1: it's all about playing hard at the All Star Game.

1505
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 1: This is going to change things, and that it never does.

1506
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 1: So is it going to happen for Zion? Prove it

1507
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: to me first?

1508
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's this, This whole New Orleans situation so weird,

1509
01:17:53,680 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 2: so strange. Gayale Benson gave Joe Dumars, along with Troy

1510
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 2: Weaver the Keys, and they've they've got everything in all

1511
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 2: of these guys. I mean, there's just so many guys

1512
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 2: that they've sort of bet on. It's not two timeline

1513
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 2: type of thing, but it kind of it could be

1514
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 2: like if Zion doesn't end up well, end up doing well,

1515
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 2: Trey Murphy is the guy that they may deal and

1516
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 2: then the whole thing breaks down from there. But there's

1517
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 2: just so many part moving parts here, with Jordan Poole

1518
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 2: moving and Derek Queen moving in. There's so many solid players,

1519
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 2: but so many question marks that this Pelicans team. I

1520
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 2: know a lot of people will will jump on them

1521
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 2: and think that they can do well, but how many

1522
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 2: more years can you really buy into it? Unfortunately, this

1523
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:46,440
Speaker 2: is feels like this one is the one because otherwise

1524
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 2: Cail Benson's got to say, Joe, we need to go

1525
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 2: out direction.

1526
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, unfortunately they traded their first round pick

1527
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 1: for next year, so whoops. Yeah, weirdier for New Orleans,

1528
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: and you know, it's kind of been the case since

1529
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: Zion has been in town. Our next candidate for the

1530
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 1: New York Knicks Jalen Brunson twenty six a game last year,

1531
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 1: three rebounds, seven assists. He was the clutch player of

1532
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 1: the year. He finished second team All NBA, made the

1533
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: All Star Game. He's done that each of the last

1534
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: two seasons, second Team All NBA and All Stars. So,

1535
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson, where you got this guy?

1536
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 2: I got Jalen Brunson at the MVP table. I think, Oh,

1537
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 2: the New York Knicks are going to be really good.

1538
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 2: It helps that there's an injury to Jason Tatum and

1539
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 2: Tyrese Halliburton, but I think the Mike Brown insertion is

1540
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 2: going to get other guys involved. It's going to have

1541
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 2: a center from the beginning of the year in Gershon

1542
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,799
Speaker 2: Yabuseli that they didn't have last year when Mitchell Robinson

1543
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 2: came back injured. And I think their defense is going

1544
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:52,599
Speaker 2: to be a lot better. And this team was only

1545
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 2: a fifty one and thirty one win team last year,

1546
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 2: and I think they can be a good amount better

1547
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 2: if they get everybody involved, get every but he playing

1548
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 2: off the bench now. Jalen Brunson went from fifth and

1549
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 2: MVP voting two seasons ago to tenth last season in

1550
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 2: part because he wanted to get everybody involved. He shot

1551
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,600
Speaker 2: three fewer times per game and that hurt him a

1552
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 2: little bit. But I think this year he'll get back

1553
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 2: into that MVP status when the Knicks are better than

1554
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 2: that fifty one to thirty one team. I think there

1555
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 2: is a good amount of chance he gets the credit

1556
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 2: for it, and so I think he'll be bumped up.

1557
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 2: It'll be a little like Donovan Mitchell last year, who

1558
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 2: was at fifth and MVP voting in the Eastern Conference.

1559
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 2: There's wins to be at and I think they will

1560
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 2: do it. And I think he's the guy who does

1561
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 2: the ordering at the table. If he's at it, he

1562
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 2: likes to he likes to pick things out.

1563
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: I think, okay, okay, man, if you're telling me that

1564
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: Jalen Brunson is the guy who's going to be doing

1565
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 1: the order, he's got to be sitting at the table.

1566
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: I picked him as MVP preseason last year. It didn't

1567
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: come to fruition, but I'm a Brunson fan for sure.

1568
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would have him as an

1569
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: MVP candidate, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Knicks

1570
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: end up with the best record in the Eastern Conference

1571
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: during the regular season, and if that's the case, they're

1572
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:09,879
Speaker 1: going to look to one of either Brunson or Towns

1573
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: as an MVP candidate. I see people in the stream

1574
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: team saying that Towns is the best player on the Knicks.

1575
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 1: Probably a toss up between the two of them. I

1576
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: went with Brunson since he does seem to be the

1577
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: guy who does everything down the stretch. So yeah, I

1578
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: mean it is getting crowded. We already got six people

1579
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 1: at dinner. I know there's another at least one that's

1580
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 1: going to be added. It's our next candidate from the

1581
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder, Shay Gilgess Alexander. He is the reigning MVP.

1582
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 1: He led the league in scoring at thirty three a game,

1583
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 1: also added five rebound six assists. Made All NBA First Team,

1584
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 1: made the All Star Team. He has made the last

1585
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 1: three first teams in the All NBA and also has

1586
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 1: been an All Star for each of the last three seasons.

1587
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: So this guy, for sure, he's at the table. Where

1588
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:54,719
Speaker 1: do you like him?

1589
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? Does he bump Yokitch out of that one hole?

1590
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: Considering what he does defensively? You know, that's that's when

1591
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 2: you're splitting hairs. That's how you get above Jokic. Yeah,

1592
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 2: I think you can put him above your honest, that's

1593
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:15,879
Speaker 2: that's reasonable. Uh but no, no, I think I'm comfortable

1594
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 2: leaving Jokic sitting there and plopping Sga in between him

1595
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 2: and yea anesthetico myself.

1596
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 1: But you tell me, yeah, yeah, I mean, look, I

1597
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 1: would love to tell you that Sha is the best

1598
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: player in the league. He definitely is the most accomplished

1599
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: player from last season, leading the league in scoring, winning MVP,

1600
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: winning the finals, and winning finals MVP like, that's a

1601
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 1: perfect case for being the best player in the world.

1602
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: That is a Michael Jordan case for being the best

1603
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 1: player in the world. But when I was going through this,

1604
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: I did remember that Jokic averaged thirty a game and

1605
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,160
Speaker 1: a triple double and shot forty percent from three. So

1606
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: it's hard to say he's not the best player in

1607
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: the league still, but Shay definitely has a case for

1608
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 1: if you want to make it. But he's I mean,

1609
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 1: there's no way he's lower than two on the list

1610
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 1: of best players, which is where we got him. Now.

1611
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you're factoring in last season looking forward

1612
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 2: to this year, I can't help but be excited to

1613
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 2: see another edition of Denver Okay see in the playoffs

1614
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 2: with Denver having much improved supporting cast for Nikola Jokic.

1615
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 2: They went to seven games last year with you know,

1616
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray and a banged up Michael Porter Junior and

1617
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 2: a banged up Aaron Gordon in the end that game seven.

1618
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 2: Now with Cam Johnson and a freaking bench, that's going

1619
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 2: to be a super super fun series. Those those now

1620
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 2: with a Fred vanvleeve for the Houston Rockets. It seems

1621
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 2: like those are the Western Conference Finals favorites in Okay,

1622
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,600
Speaker 2: see Denver, but TBD.

1623
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: I think we still got one more player who might

1624
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: get to sit at the MVP table. But we shall

1625
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 1: see our next team that we're going to be took.

1626
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: Discussing the Orlando Magic, I picked Palo Banco as their

1627
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:06,679
Speaker 1: best player. Some people would say it's Franz Wagner as

1628
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: their best player. Franz definitely had an awesome euro Basket.

1629
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: I think Palo was maybe a little bit better in

1630
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: the playoffs for Orlando last year, but they both probably

1631
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: slot in at the same spot depending on where they

1632
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 1: end up. But last year for Palo twenty six, eight

1633
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: and five, he made the All Star Game. In twenty

1634
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: three twenty four, only forty six games last year due

1635
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 1: to an oblique injury, which Franz also had an oblique injury.

1636
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 1: So a who's the best player on the Magic b

1637
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 1: where you put in bon Cao.

1638
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 2: It's Palo Banco as far as the best player on

1639
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:49,759
Speaker 2: the Orlando Magic goes. And he's leading the All All Stars,

1640
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 2: I should say. And whether or not he makes the

1641
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 2: end of the All NBA guys, I mean, that's that's

1642
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 2: possible too. I don't know. He's one of those born

1643
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 2: line guys. For me, definitely a lock as an All Star.

1644
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 2: He was injured. That was a big problem last year.

1645
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 2: Like you said, he would have been an All Star

1646
01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 2: last year if he wasn't banged up immediately. It was

1647
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 2: after five games, right.

1648
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got hurt really early.

1649
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was cooking those first five games. So

1650
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:19,440
Speaker 2: you got him at the All NBA spot.

1651
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: I'm putting an All NBA. I think the Magic are

1652
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: going to be really good this season. I see that

1653
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: Jalen Suggs is still recovering from his knee injury, so

1654
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 1: I think the playmaking from Franz and from Polo is

1655
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 1: going to be very important from the Magic early in

1656
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: the season as Suggs gets his wheels underneath him. They

1657
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 1: got Desmond Baine, a good ad, so I think the

1658
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 1: Magic are going to be a lot better. I actually

1659
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: think Paulo will make All NBA and I think Franz

1660
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 1: will make his first All Star team this year. So

1661
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,719
Speaker 1: I'm kind of double dipping here. But you know, Franz

1662
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 1: is going to get the eurobump. That's pretty cool for him.

1663
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 1: I think it gives him a good chance to make

1664
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 1: the All Star Game. So I'm bullish on the Magic

1665
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: And I've been a long time bon Caro guy. The

1666
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 1: combination of skills and size he has pretty rare on

1667
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: the NBA. There's only like ten dudes who kind of

1668
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,679
Speaker 1: do the same sort of stuff that Paulo does.

1669
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is unfortunate they don't have Jalen Sugs,

1670
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 2: but Bain is a playmaker that he doesn't get a

1671
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 2: lot of credit for in his Memphis days. He can

1672
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 2: do that at playing with Franz and Boncerra. I think

1673
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,719
Speaker 2: he can do enough of that. And yeah, when Suggs

1674
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 2: comes back, this team is this team is should be

1675
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 2: really really really good. They got to finish top four

1676
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 2: in the Eastern Conference and they should so bon Caro

1677
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 2: is an All NBA player, would not be surprising all.

1678
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 1: Right for the seventy six Ers. I picked Joel Embiid.

1679
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 1: Should I have picked Tyrese Maxi? I don't know. I

1680
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 1: like Maxi, but Embiid has won an MVP, He's scored

1681
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 1: a point a minute, but last year nineteen games, twenty four,

1682
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: eight and five. He's recovering from an injury as well.

1683
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: But I know Sixers fans are excited because there have

1684
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: been pictures of Embiid at training camp and A he

1685
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: look skinny and B he's not wearing a knee brace,

1686
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 1: both encouraging things for the Philly fans. Yet another if

1687
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 1: he plays dot dot dot guy.

1688
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally was overlooking Tyrese Maxie, who Yes, if

1689
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 2: it was Maxie, you'd probably put him as an All

1690
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 2: Star player. Solid starter, I mean, PG had Paul George

1691
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 2: had knee surgery this offseason two, so it's yeah, uh,

1692
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 2: we don't know how he's going to come back in camp.

1693
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 2: So too many questions for this team, and the best

1694
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 2: thing we could put him at is is good starter,

1695
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,599
Speaker 2: a former frickin MVP player who's not super old.

1696
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean they tried to do it last year,

1697
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 1: like keeping him beat as healthy as possible so that

1698
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: he would be ready for the playoffs, and then they

1699
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: weren't even able to do that. Just a disaster season

1700
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 1: from Philadelphia. I've seen a lot of tweets going around.

1701
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 1: Could this be the year for Philadelphia? Could they put

1702
01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: it all together? What if everybody stays healthy? We shall see.

1703
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the crappy part is yeah, maybe Paul George says,

1704
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 2: all right, I've had one year under my belt here

1705
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna turn into a better player. I mean,

1706
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 2: that's that's pretty important here. And even that doesn't I'm

1707
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 2: not confident in that, considering yes, he just had surgery,

1708
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 2: considering at some point he's getting older. He's fought through

1709
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 2: so many injuries. It's that's tough to see. I don't know.

1710
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 2: I don't know how you betend this team. They lost

1711
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 2: Gershwan Yabuseli high Man.

1712
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 1: They lost Yabu. They still don't have Quentin Grimes yet.

1713
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll sign Yea eventually. And Jared mccainn is back

1714
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 1: for as well as well. So the Sixers got a

1715
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: weird team. Their best players are all young small guards,

1716
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:49,719
Speaker 1: and their highest paid players are old, slow, former awesome players.

1717
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: What a weird team they got. Going on another weird team,

1718
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns. Devin Booker is surely their best player.

1719
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 1: Twenty six a game last year, four rebounds, seven assists.

1720
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 1: He's a two time All NBA player and including one

1721
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 1: first team though it was quite a bit ago. He's

1722
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 1: also a four time All Star. What you got for Booker?

1723
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:10,639
Speaker 2: Devin Booker to me, I'm putting him at the All

1724
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 2: Star category. I'm throw him there. He was asked this

1725
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 2: past offseason, what do you have to get better at?

1726
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 2: And he said, I I don't know. There's so many.

1727
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 2: Did you see our team last year? He couldn't pick.

1728
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering if he is ultra focused on being

1729
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 2: a leader type player this year, because, as you said,

1730
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 2: a lot of All Star appearances. You know, the last

1731
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 2: one had he had Kevin Durant beside him. The one

1732
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 2: before that he had Chris Paul beside him. But I

1733
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 2: think here, entering his prime years, he can be enough

1734
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 2: of a leader to lead a guy like Jalen Green

1735
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 2: that he has to, like Fred Van Vliet was able

1736
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 2: to do in Houston. You know, Dylan Brooks is going

1737
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 2: to help out their defense. I do think he can

1738
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:00,560
Speaker 2: get there again. He can score ton of points and

1739
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 2: he can be good enough I throw him in there

1740
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 2: as an All Star.

1741
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's right. I think he's I

1742
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 1: don't know, I guess. I guess I'll put him ahead

1743
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: of Kwhi Leonard since he plays, and he's probably ahead

1744
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,679
Speaker 1: of Siakam as well. He can tell me he's ahead

1745
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:19,600
Speaker 1: of Jalen Brown and Trey Young if you want to.

1746
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,600
Speaker 1: But I just don't think that the Sons are going

1747
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: to be all that good. They've got a really unusual

1748
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 1: squad going right now. A lot of former Hornets and

1749
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: young dudes are there, big guys right now. But Booker, Yeah,

1750
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,839
Speaker 1: he's gonna be twenty nine at the start of the season,

1751
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 1: firmly in his prime. Had the great run to the

1752
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: finals and then a sixty plus win team with Chris

1753
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: Paul that next year, and then it's been basically bad

1754
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 1: management ever since. Though they seem to be trying to

1755
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: do something new, so we'll see if that actually turns

1756
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 1: out for him. Our next team, the Portland Trailblazers, Skeets

1757
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 1: did put Jeremy Grant on as the best player for

1758
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 1: the Trailblazers. I chose Denny Avdia. I think he was

1759
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 1: better last year. Yeah, I think he is their best player.

1760
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,400
Speaker 1: But that tells you where the Trailblazers are at. And

1761
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 1: they got a they got a decent team, they've got

1762
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: an identity, But their best player is Denny Avdia.

1763
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:19,240
Speaker 2: Denny is part of a bunch of Portland trail Blazers

1764
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 2: that there's can be a ton of optimism around. I mean,

1765
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 2: Denny is a really good player. He's easily a solid starter.

1766
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 2: He could help out a really, really good team, a

1767
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 2: team that could go far in the playoffs. At the

1768
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 2: same time, there are a bunch of other guys in

1769
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:39,760
Speaker 2: Schoo Henderson and Shaden Sharp, even Donovan Klingen, I mean

1770
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,719
Speaker 2: Jong Hanson. Now there, you can look at them and say, WHOA,

1771
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 2: these guys have high ceilings, but we don't know if

1772
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 2: they're going to come anywhere close to that. But Denny

1773
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 2: is the most solid of all those guys. So he's

1774
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 2: easily a solid starter.

1775
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: All right, I'll take I'll take solid starter for Denny Abdia.

1776
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: He was he was good drawn fouls, playing in transition,

1777
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 1: pretty decent passer for wing as well. But the Blazers

1778
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: are basically just like, have a lot of good guys.

1779
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 1: You know, they don't have that superstar. They don't even

1780
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 1: have an All Star like we're saying here. They just

1781
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 1: got a solid defensive team and pretty good depth of

1782
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 1: guys who are decent. It would be good for the

1783
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 1: Blazers if Shaden Sharp or Scoot Henderson become their best

1784
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 1: player because they need a little bit more upside. Another

1785
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 1: confusing team to pick their best player, the Sacramento Kings chows.

1786
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 1: Demonta Sabonis could have been a Rosen, could have been Levine.

1787
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 1: But Sabonis led the league in rebounding last year. He's

1788
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,679
Speaker 1: actually led the league in rebounding the last three seasons

1789
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 1: fourteen per game last year plus nineteen points six assists.

1790
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 1: He's a two time All NBA player, three time All Star.

1791
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,280
Speaker 2: What a machine that guy just produces every time he

1792
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 2: comes out there. So yeah, he could be an All

1793
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 2: Star depending on what that team is around him. It's

1794
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 2: super interesting to see what a combination of new Dennis

1795
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 2: Shruder and Malik Monk are able to do it running

1796
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 2: that show. Because I agree that Saboni's is the guy,

1797
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:13,760
Speaker 2: but then besides them, Like you said, uh, a zach

1798
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 2: Lavine and a DeMar Rosen are there to help out.

1799
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 2: It's so interesting. This team seems like it could be better.

1800
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 2: So will Demanta Sabonis benefit having good players around him?

1801
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:27,719
Speaker 1: Ah?

1802
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 2: Man, I don't know. I don't know if this is

1803
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 2: the year it's been. It's been a little bit now

1804
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 2: since Demanta Sabonis was one. It was the Beam team

1805
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 2: right where he was an All Star. Wow. Yeah, he's

1806
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 2: borderline to me, all star or solid starter? Yeah, you start,

1807
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 2: you start mentioning those Kings names. It's is Doug Christy

1808
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,680
Speaker 2: gonna get through to these guys to make them good

1809
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 2: enough for to be capable enough player? Is it zach

1810
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 2: Lavine turning a new leaf here and looking at a

1811
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 2: new contract possibility? Like there's a lot of questions with

1812
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 2: this team.

1813
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he slots in like where Bam out

1814
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 1: of Bio is. You could see them both making an

1815
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 1: All Star team if Sacramento overachieves, if Miami overachieves, they're

1816
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:21,559
Speaker 1: probably the guy who's getting the nod. But I don't

1817
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 1: think he's a lock as an All Star, So I'm

1818
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:25,600
Speaker 1: happy with him as a as a solid starter, and

1819
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 1: I have him behind the injury guys just because higher

1820
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 1: peaks for those dudes. But we'll see Shengu or uh sorry,

1821
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 1: Sibonis always produces and puts up big numbers that'll be

1822
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 1: All Star breaking. You're like, man, it's tough a team

1823
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 1: to keep the guy out that's leading the league and rebounding.

1824
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 1: He has got twelve triple doubles or something like that,

1825
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 1: so he is a productive player, doesn't always turn into wins.

1826
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 1: We'll see what Sacramento looks like. Odd squad there. San

1827
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 1: Antonio Spurs. Victor Wembinama is their best player. Twenty four

1828
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:59,400
Speaker 1: a game last year, eleven rebounds, four assists, shot thirty

1829
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 1: five from three, forty eight from the field, eighty four

1830
01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 1: at the line. He led the league in blocks for

1831
01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 1: the past two seasons. Wemby made his first All Star

1832
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 1: team last year and then absolutely desecrated the skills challenge.

1833
01:35:10,640 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 1: Are you willing to put Victor webbin Yama at the

1834
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:14,240
Speaker 1: MVP table?

1835
01:35:14,920 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 2: Oh? Nah, I can't. There will be a day where

1836
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:24,680
Speaker 2: he's at the MVP table. Is this the year? Was

1837
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 2: sitting him after the thrombos is beneficial for him. He's

1838
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 2: gonna be fresh, He's gonna have a guy in Darren

1839
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 2: Fox who's gonna be the best player that Wemby's ever

1840
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 2: played with. There's a possibility he gets there, but there's

1841
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 2: so many players that we have at that MVP table.

1842
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 2: I mean, he'd have to bump somebody. I think there's

1843
01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:51,960
Speaker 2: a better chance of those guys and their experience and

1844
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:56,120
Speaker 2: their team around them being top of the standings type

1845
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 2: of teams or leading top of standings type of teams

1846
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 2: than Wemby is. But in All NBA is where I'm

1847
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 2: gonna put him. I know, I could be convinced there's

1848
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 2: a chance that he enters that MVP category. But you're

1849
01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 2: who are you bumping? It's one of you know, your

1850
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 2: your aunt or Mitchell or bruntson and I know people

1851
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 2: in the stream team are saying, come on, come on,

1852
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 2: get Brunton off of there. Maybe he is that guy

1853
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 2: that replaces Wemby. There's a chance, do you. I don't, though,

1854
01:36:23,479 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 2: do you?

1855
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 1: He was the last guy I wanted to add. I

1856
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 1: would not have put Brunton up there, but you talked

1857
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 1: me into it. So if you want to tell me

1858
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 1: Victor Womanyama is at the top of the All NBA tier.

1859
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:39,320
Speaker 1: That's I think great third season is when Derek Rose

1860
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 1: won his MVP players make a huge stride. The team

1861
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 1: should be better. But the Spurs are still in the

1862
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 1: Western Conference. You know they're not going to be at

1863
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 1: the top of the conference. But if they are, Victor

1864
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,679
Speaker 1: wmnhaw is getting MVP votes, maybe we should be brave.

1865
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I love Darren Fox. That helps. Then there

1866
01:36:58,080 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 2: are some questions beyond that.

1867
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:02,679
Speaker 1: Yes, there are many questions.

1868
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's the thing. I mean, great

1869
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 2: traff pick looking great to help out defensively, but you're

1870
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 2: going to rely a lot on Luke Cornett. You're going

1871
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 2: to rely on Devin Vesel. So there's like you said

1872
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 2: during the West, how many games are we going to win?

1873
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 2: You know, I there if he's going to be an

1874
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 2: MVP candidate, we're talking a fifty ish win team he had.

1875
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 2: They have to be and that's going to be tough

1876
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 2: to do.

1877
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 1: That'd be a crazy improvement. But if they do it,

1878
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 1: it's because Victor is an MVP candidate. We shall see,

1879
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 1: But for now, we got him at the top of

1880
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:42,759
Speaker 1: the All NBA tier. If he stays healthy, he should

1881
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 1: make it for the Toronto Raptors tests. I chose Scotty Barnes.

1882
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 1: Could have been Brandon Ingram, but we haven't seen him

1883
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 1: suit up yet nineteen eight and six for Scotti last

1884
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 1: year he is a one time All Star, made it

1885
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:56,679
Speaker 1: for the Indiana All Star name twenty twenty four.

1886
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:01,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were there at the edge of the court

1887
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 2: and he was there soaking it all in being there

1888
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 2: for the first time as a Toronto Raptors backer. I thought,

1889
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 2: this is the one of many. My friend, Hey, it

1890
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,679
Speaker 2: might be, it might be. Oh yeah, it's not done.

1891
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 2: So here are we a couple of years later. Last

1892
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,599
Speaker 2: year not as good a year where he was expected

1893
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 2: to be a number one guy. And that's why I

1894
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 2: think having Brandon Ingram beside him as that number one

1895
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 2: guy is the most important part of the Toronto Raptors

1896
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,519
Speaker 2: and Scottie Barnes being as good as he is, is

1897
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 2: Brandon Ingram the best player. No, I think Scotty Barnes

1898
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 2: is the best player. I agree, but Brandon is the

1899
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,439
Speaker 2: most He is the most important. Can he help Scotty

1900
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 2: Barnes be a little less of a hold I put

1901
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 2: it on my shoulders type of thing. He had to

1902
01:38:48,600 --> 01:38:50,720
Speaker 2: do so much last year didn't seem like he could

1903
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:55,320
Speaker 2: do that, So Barnes is going to be He's going

1904
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 2: to I think I think he could definitely make it.

1905
01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 2: I think he could be an All Star this season,

1906
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 2: but it really does depend a little bit on Ingram

1907
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 2: and then whether or not Emmanuel Quickly actually plays Rjie Barrett,

1908
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 2: et cetera. So I've got him. I mean, he's a

1909
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 2: borderline guy to me, but I throw him at the

1910
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 2: end of the All Star list. Yeah, I think I

1911
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 2: think he could. He could do it. He could definitely

1912
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:24,120
Speaker 2: do it. Again, it's on Brandon ingram shoulder to me,

1913
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:26,719
Speaker 2: but I think Scotty Barnes would get their credit.

1914
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:31,080
Speaker 1: Interesting. I would have probably had him in Good Starter.

1915
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:33,919
Speaker 1: I just feel like the Raptors are such an unknown

1916
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:38,320
Speaker 1: team this year, with Quickly being out a big chunk

1917
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 1: of last season, Ingram never suiting up for the team.

1918
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 1: Scotty Barnes, I agree, he is going to function a

1919
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 1: lot as the number one guy for Toronto, but I

1920
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 1: think that's just how the team is built. They're a

1921
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 1: team first team. Ingram should probably lead the team in scoring,

1922
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 1: Scotty Barnes should lead the team, and basically everything else

1923
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 1: you would think he's a good defense player. And look, man,

1924
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 1: it's it's September. It's an optimism time. He can be

1925
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:09,520
Speaker 1: at the end of the all starts here if you want. Yeah,

1926
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 1: he ain't gonna make the All Star team, but I'm

1927
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:12,640
Speaker 1: feeling happy for you.

1928
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:15,679
Speaker 2: Oh Dar, you look, look where we have him here.

1929
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:19,599
Speaker 2: He is, you know, doing the looking at the numbers. Here.

1930
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 2: He is part of the top nineteen players right now

1931
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:28,679
Speaker 2: in the NBA. So he's making it. He's he's literally

1932
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 2: one of the best nineteen players. I mean, I mean

1933
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 2: if you if you would throw him in a good starter,

1934
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 2: would you throw him above in front of Embiid and

1935
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 2: Rant and Zion and sim Bonus, I mean all those

1936
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 2: guys could.

1937
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:44,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have him. It's similar to a Bam

1938
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 1: and Sibonis, where it's like, if things click and the

1939
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 1: team is good and they overachieve, it's probably getting a

1940
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:54,559
Speaker 1: nod for a guy like Barns or Bam or Sabonis.

1941
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:56,360
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of similar there, and like a

1942
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:57,759
Speaker 1: do everything sort of player.

1943
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I do. I do think somehow the Toronto

1944
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 2: Raptors find a way Emmanuel quickly is super important. I

1945
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:08,960
Speaker 2: think in game one this year, Darius Garland isn't going

1946
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 2: to undercut him, and so he falls and gets hurt immediately.

1947
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 2: I mean he barely played last year in his only

1948
01:41:15,800 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 2: full year with the Toronto Raptors. Pretty important, And yeah,

1949
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:22,360
Speaker 2: you're just having faith that Brandon Ingram's legs are great.

1950
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,320
Speaker 2: So I'm buying it. I'm buying. I think there's enough.

1951
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 2: Like you said, there's good players. There's a bunch of hey,

1952
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:35,880
Speaker 2: super solid players, but they know a few of them

1953
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 2: have to click. That's for sure.

1954
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 1: All right out west the Utah Jazz, Lowry Markinen is

1955
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 1: their best player by a wide margin, down year from

1956
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 1: marketing In last year nineteen six and two, he was

1957
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 1: playing through some back problems. Looked awesome at EuroBasket for

1958
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 1: Finland there. Market In is a one time All Star.

1959
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 1: So where you're gonna put Lowry? I know you're a

1960
01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:58,599
Speaker 1: big fantastic.

1961
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm throwing him into the All Stars. I throw

1962
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 2: him at the end of All Stars. I know he

1963
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 2: was there two years ago and last year I think

1964
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:12,240
Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz and front office and Will Hardy sat

1965
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:16,040
Speaker 2: him a bunch. I know he's banged up, but I

1966
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:20,479
Speaker 2: think part of it was let's be bad, and I

1967
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 2: mean that's that's been the last couple of years. I

1968
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:24,760
Speaker 2: should say he made it three years ago. And I

1969
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:29,160
Speaker 2: just he's too good to be a one time All

1970
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:30,760
Speaker 2: Star in this league.

1971
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 1: No, No, he's the exact right amount of good to

1972
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:34,759
Speaker 1: be a one time All Star in this league.

1973
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he could he could be better than I agree.

1974
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 1: He is talented enough to make more All Star Games,

1975
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 1: but it's not going to happen in Utah the REA.

1976
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:47,240
Speaker 1: The only reason he made that All Star Game was

1977
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 1: because they still had vets around and the All Star

1978
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:52,640
Speaker 1: Game was in Salt Lake City. He should not be

1979
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:54,360
Speaker 1: he should not be on the Jazz at the All

1980
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 1: Star break. He should be traded.

1981
01:42:56,560 --> 01:42:58,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be ideal for him. It is tough

1982
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:02,519
Speaker 2: to see a team with all these young players around

1983
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 2: him to see him thrive on that. That's no doubt.

1984
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 2: I just think they're not giving up this year like

1985
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:12,280
Speaker 2: they have in the last couple of years. It never

1986
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 2: gets them the number one draft pick. So I think

1987
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 2: he will play to his ability. But are those old

1988
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:21,680
Speaker 2: guys around him enough? I mean, it's really it's use

1989
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:25,719
Speaker 2: of Nurkic, who we're talking about, Kyle Anderson, George Nyang

1990
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:30,719
Speaker 2: and then all their young guys, and they're.

1991
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:33,519
Speaker 1: Gonna be the worst team. It's gonna it's between them

1992
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 1: and the Pelicans for the worst team in the West.

1993
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:39,519
Speaker 1: That's It's not a Nurkic is not enough.

1994
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 2: I mean I am being I mean, yeah, maybe I'm

1995
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 2: a little thinking a little bit too not thinking, you know,

1996
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:52,479
Speaker 2: long term enough with lowry marketing there. I feel like

1997
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 2: he should make one and maybe this year is not

1998
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:57,639
Speaker 2: the one in Utah, even though I think they will

1999
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:00,680
Speaker 2: try harder. He is twenty eight, so he has a

2000
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:02,679
Speaker 2: few more years to still make it. There's no doubt

2001
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:08,880
Speaker 2: about that. The Jazz are just a very very weird team.

2002
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:11,120
Speaker 2: Can they act? Can they win enough games? That's a

2003
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:11,799
Speaker 2: fair question.

2004
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 1: They can't. They can't. But he's a talented dude and

2005
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 1: he was really fun to watch for Finland. So we're

2006
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 1: putting him ahead of Joel Embiid. We're putting him ahead

2007
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 1: of Bam Auto Bio and Demonte Sabotis, even though those

2008
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 1: guys produce and their teams win games. Not a lot

2009
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:32,559
Speaker 1: of games, but they win some games. Our final guy,

2010
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:36,040
Speaker 1: he plays for the Wizards, literally didn't know who to pick.

2011
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 1: Tasts did not know who the best player on the

2012
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:42,360
Speaker 1: Wizards is asked on Instagram, asked on x, asked on YouTube.

2013
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:48,080
Speaker 1: People voted for Bub Carrington, CJ McCollum, Cam wentmore. Some

2014
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:51,640
Speaker 1: people voted for no. One. I chose Alex Sar Like

2015
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't know he was drafted second. You know he

2016
01:44:55,640 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 1: played in EuroBasket, So yeah, I think the Zards might

2017
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 1: have the worst best player in the league.

2018
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 2: Damn, that's a fair point. Watching him at euro Basket

2019
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:13,559
Speaker 2: you start to think, Okay, this could be the Washington

2020
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 2: Wizard's best player eventually. He has lots of talent, can

2021
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:21,800
Speaker 2: he do it enough? I would have probably chose CJ

2022
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:26,680
Speaker 2: McCollum just because he scored forty points last year, So

2023
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:28,840
Speaker 2: you think it was he had a forty point game.

2024
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 2: I think you make it. But it's to me a

2025
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 2: watching the video of the gold Throwback City editions that

2026
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:41,160
Speaker 2: they released, even though I'm a geek, I had to

2027
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:44,000
Speaker 2: put it all together and think, WHOA, who's that guy?

2028
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 2: Who is that guy? Who is that guy? They really

2029
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:50,479
Speaker 2: it's a it's a tough season. It's going to be

2030
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:51,599
Speaker 2: a tough in Washington.

2031
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I was like Keishawn George CJ. Mccollumy scored

2032
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:59,360
Speaker 1: twenty points per game for like ten straight seasons. But yeah,

2033
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:02,800
Speaker 1: this is a Alex Sar. You're a one eyed man, yeah,

2034
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,680
Speaker 1: or or whoever it is someone who whatever Wizard you

2035
01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:07,759
Speaker 1: want that to me. I mean, the three worst teams

2036
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 1: in the league are going to be the Nets, the Wizards,

2037
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:14,000
Speaker 1: and probably the Jazz as well, So you know, somebody's

2038
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:16,360
Speaker 1: got to inherit the bottom. They're early on the rebuild.

2039
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:19,679
Speaker 1: Blaal Kolbali he got some votes as well, but yeah,

2040
01:46:19,680 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 1: I think he probably would have gotten more votes as

2041
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:25,280
Speaker 1: the best player on the Wizards if EuroBasket had gone

2042
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 1: a little bit better for him. But yeah, that was

2043
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 1: I thought Wizards was the hardest to choose who is

2044
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:34,799
Speaker 1: actually their best player. But that's the thing with the Wizards.

2045
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 1: They need to be the worst team in the league.

2046
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:38,559
Speaker 1: They need to actually get the number one pick in

2047
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:41,640
Speaker 1: a year where there are some number one picks. So

2048
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:43,400
Speaker 1: this would be a good year to finish top three

2049
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:46,800
Speaker 1: because I think there's three really big graft prospects and

2050
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:49,639
Speaker 1: the Wizards could use any of them because the building

2051
01:46:49,680 --> 01:46:53,679
Speaker 1: blocks they're small blocks right now. They got some good

2052
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:56,759
Speaker 1: supporting pieces, but they need that number one. So here's

2053
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 1: one last look at our tier rankor we've got a

2054
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 1: very busy MVP table. Jokich, Shay, Jannis, Luca, Ant Brunson

2055
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:08,519
Speaker 1: or sorry Aunt, Mitchell and Brunson are at the top.

2056
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 1: And look at that and ad for Chad Powers. You're

2057
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:15,320
Speaker 1: gonna watch Chad Powers task That looks ridiculous to me.

2058
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just saw it pop up. I gotta I

2059
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:19,320
Speaker 2: gotta check this out.

2060
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:19,519
Speaker 1: What.

2061
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:23,919
Speaker 2: Oh it's Glenn Powell as Chad Powers.

2062
01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:26,200
Speaker 1: Glenn Powell is Chad Powers.

2063
01:47:29,320 --> 01:47:31,960
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, man, I just watched Friendship Andy.

2064
01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 1: I watched that too.

2065
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:34,880
Speaker 2: Well, I was good.

2066
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:37,840
Speaker 1: I left. I laughed quite a bit. Yeah, I thought

2067
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:40,639
Speaker 1: it was. I mean it was very dumb, very funny. Look,

2068
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:43,760
Speaker 1: look better than Chad Powers is gonna be. But uh,

2069
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:48,879
Speaker 1: this is more player rankings of the thirty best best players,

2070
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 1: one best player from each of the teams. We'll put

2071
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:54,400
Speaker 1: this up on our socials and places. People can tell

2072
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:57,719
Speaker 1: us how ridiculous we are for having Lowry markinin ahead

2073
01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:02,200
Speaker 1: of guys like Joel Emp and John Burritt. Uh, they're

2074
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:05,439
Speaker 1: gonna say, how could you possibly have Bam out of

2075
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:09,280
Speaker 1: Bayo on the same tier as LaMelo Ball. Uh, they're

2076
01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:11,960
Speaker 1: gonna say you need to have like the stream team

2077
01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:13,600
Speaker 1: is saying, you need to have a kids table for

2078
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:17,040
Speaker 1: the MVP table because the real MVPs are the top

2079
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:21,479
Speaker 1: four in Yoki, sh Jannis, and Luca. But you gotta

2080
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:24,400
Speaker 1: have five. People will complain about this, but that's the

2081
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:27,920
Speaker 1: whole point. That's why we give you one hundred plus

2082
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 1: minutes of what about this guy with the best players

2083
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 1: in the league.

2084
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:34,120
Speaker 2: That's how you do it. That's how you do it.

2085
01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 2: Now I'm starting to think if I'm gonna criticize us,

2086
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 2: I would say there's got to be fifteen players at

2087
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:41,960
Speaker 2: the table.

2088
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:50,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're totally right. We have what twelve? So okay,

2089
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 1: of the three players that are in the All Star tier,

2090
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:56,880
Speaker 1: who's most likely to make All NBA?

2091
01:48:58,160 --> 01:49:04,880
Speaker 2: Ooh he oh, I guess it's Anthony Davis Man. This

2092
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:09,600
Speaker 2: is a hard one, A D Trey and Pascal.

2093
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:13,559
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, that's probably who I would vote as well.

2094
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:15,479
Speaker 1: But you do have to factor in, like there are

2095
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 1: other good players on teams, like Jalen Williams. He is

2096
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:21,000
Speaker 1: not the best player on the Thunder, but he'll probably

2097
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:23,439
Speaker 1: make All BA. You know, the same could happen for

2098
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:25,840
Speaker 1: like an Evan Mobley, Like the second guy on a

2099
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:28,040
Speaker 1: really good team can still make All NBA even if

2100
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:30,960
Speaker 1: they're not the best player. So that's why it doesn't

2101
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:33,559
Speaker 1: necessarily have to add up. That's true.

2102
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:37,360
Speaker 2: That's true. I don't got to be a numbers geek

2103
01:49:37,439 --> 01:49:42,160
Speaker 2: all the time. Doesn't have to add up to fifteen. Yeah,

2104
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:44,479
Speaker 2: there's always those guys that don't make the All Star

2105
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 2: Game then they sneak in an All NBA appearance.

2106
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that happens. It's weird. Yeah, Gore and Dragos I

2107
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:53,040
Speaker 1: think did that once upon a time. Maybe Haliburton has

2108
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 1: done it.

2109
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:55,479
Speaker 2: And Andre Jordan.

2110
01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:57,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, weird one.

2111
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:00,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been some weird ones. Yeah.

2112
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Speaker 1: I like this. mL great idea. Let's do a second

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Speaker 1: best player list. That'll be fun, choosing the second best

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Speaker 1: player on a team. Who's the second best? Yeah, ask

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Speaker 1: yourself that question. Who's the second best player on the nets?

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Speaker 1: Is it Cam Thomas or Terrence Man? Tune in next

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Speaker 1: week to find out. Give me Nick, Nick Big, Nick Claxton.

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Speaker 1: That's it for our basketball talk, literally one hundred and

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Speaker 1: ten minutes. We started by talking about Fred van Vliet,

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Speaker 1: and we ended by talking with Nick Claxton. Survivor forty

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Speaker 1: nine premieres tomorrow night. That is Wednesday, which means No

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Speaker 1: Buffs is back. We will be doing our first show

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Speaker 1: recapping episode one, two hour premiere that'll be Thursday from

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Speaker 1: the Classic Factory. I think we're going at ten am

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Speaker 1: to talk about that. You got you got my bros ready, Tess,

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Speaker 1: I got him ready, Clipper bros. You heard it here first.

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Speaker 1: Have a great time, turn up. Love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. And remember Luka Doncic didn't need

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Speaker 2: his breakfasts in the summer because he got skinny and

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Speaker 2: it was fasting. But I guarantee he eats them during

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Speaker 2: the regular season. I can't wait to ask Rob Polenka

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Speaker 2: about it. When I see him once in a hallway

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Speaker 2: somewhere like the All Star Game, I'm gonna ask him,

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Speaker 2: does Luca eat his breakfast? He's not gonna answer, He's

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Speaker 2: gonna say, what is this weird I was talking about?

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Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say he does. That's all I gotta say.

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Speaker 1: Embrace the breakfast people,