Speaker 1: What's up, And welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sellings Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: loaw glasses Malone, So Atlanta, I'm in Atlanta doing no Ceilings.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Charlotte Man, Shout out to Black Effect,
Speaker 1: Shout out to iHeart. It's weird because I'm with EP.
Speaker 1: If you listen to my podcast, y'all know who EP is.
Speaker 1: We've talked about Irving Pope a lot of times. Really
Speaker 1: fantastic producer, produced the whole cancel these nuts from wats
Speaker 1: like Me you know, produced on the first you Know,
Speaker 1: played and produced on the first four four Kanye Records.
Speaker 1: UH produced on Doctor's Advocate. Executive produced Lax with Game,
Speaker 1: produced stuff for the latest Scarface stuff, UH Tech nine single,
Speaker 1: really Dope dude, just really all around good dude.
Speaker 2: I got EP out here. EP talked to the people, say, man,
Speaker 2: what's good y'all? It's good at Yeah. Yeah. So this
Speaker 2: kind of podcast, like right is my podcast.
Speaker 1: I don't really interview like it's I like to think
Speaker 1: of my my people.
Speaker 2: That's really smart.
Speaker 1: The people who enjoy those singlings are like really really smart,
Speaker 1: like because I'll be taking them through some shit this,
Speaker 1: you know how I think he will have some crazy conversations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's just a normal thing, Like it's just what
Speaker 1: we do, you know what I mean, it ain't really nothing.
Speaker 2: So it's odd because I got my man, what's my man? Aj?
Speaker 2: So I met AJ before?
Speaker 1: So AJ is following me around with a camera and
Speaker 1: me and EP And it's so weird because and I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's like this is probably a problem,
Speaker 1: like and for me as an entertainer, is I just
Speaker 1: don't feel like my life is that interesting.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, y'all.
Speaker 1: Know, walk in, talk to drag or walk in talk
Speaker 1: to him, talk to Atoven. But is that really that
Speaker 1: just little stuff like that. No, yeah, just the names
Speaker 1: you just named.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I I.
Speaker 1: Think I'm disconnected from like like.
Speaker 2: How people see things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you've already acquired the relationships and most people
Speaker 1: dream of even seeing these type of people.
Speaker 2: But it's nothing to you because you're not doing it.
Speaker 1: For that reason, I can see, like if I was
Speaker 1: swimming with sharks, that would be like a dopte behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. AJ take his ass in that water and
Speaker 1: them sharks swimming around Nigga, that that's something to be
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. But imagine, imagine a little a little
Speaker 1: aspiring rapper from somewhere that's a rural area who's never
Speaker 1: even seen what looked like that's true, but I guess
Speaker 1: I really don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess I just don't think the
Speaker 2: general public.
Speaker 1: Like when I, like I was telling you, when I
Speaker 1: grew up listening to hip hop, I never in my.
Speaker 2: Life care what Scarface did.
Speaker 1: Like I really thought Scarface did the same shit as me,
Speaker 1: Like he was on the block selling rocks, then he
Speaker 1: went to the studio made his songs. It just don't
Speaker 1: seem like that would be that interesting to me. But
Speaker 1: it's grown to that because of the social media presence.
Speaker 1: Now everything like you, like you always say, everything is visual.
Speaker 1: It doesn't only pertain to the to the to the product,
Speaker 1: but the lifestyle too. I'm starting to think most people
Speaker 1: just never sold rocks. So that's like fascinating. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like going to work. Yeah, you know what, we
Speaker 1: need to set up something. I got an idea, aj cub,
Speaker 1: like we need to actually have you follow somebody that
Speaker 1: work at Walmart and do it behind the scenes and
Speaker 1: that's just their job, like they wake like a regular nigga,
Speaker 1: like take the mail out of his box, get a shower,
Speaker 1: get the cereal, go to his job at Walmart and
Speaker 1: talk to people. I think that's more interesting the type
Speaker 1: of motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: That walk in Walmart. Yeah, to you, that would be
Speaker 2: like a nigga work at Walmart.
Speaker 1: Imagine the type of people customers, or like somebody that
Speaker 1: work at rallies or what they call it checkers in
Speaker 1: the South, rallies and checkers.
Speaker 2: That'd be a crazy job.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that that'll be some crazy shit, Taylor,
Speaker 1: Like you just follow the day in the life of
Speaker 1: a nigga at rallies or Checkers and he just back
Speaker 1: there flipping burgers. You watching any flip Burgers? I bet
Speaker 1: you people will watch it. Absolutely. I just think we
Speaker 1: had a really weird juncture in society, like a really
Speaker 1: weird where we just so disconnected out our own personal lives.
Speaker 2: Like all I ever thought about.
Speaker 1: When I was when I decided to be a rapper,
Speaker 1: was to like make the soundtrack to your life or
Speaker 1: give you an escape to another life that you didn't
Speaker 1: know existed. I never looked at it, cause like I
Speaker 1: never looked at it like, uh oh yeah, this is
Speaker 1: some kind of dream life. Like this shit has worked.
Speaker 1: We out and this motherfucker waking up the ship. We
Speaker 1: got the voice here. We're gonna tell you who she is.
Speaker 1: She said, she don't want to be known, but her
Speaker 1: voice is soul Tree. Come on, say something to the
Speaker 1: voice soul Tree. This is not a lant so I
Speaker 1: so no Seilans goes to everybody. You just in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: We're just in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: Low world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: No ceilings like I like I think I was. I've
Speaker 1: been thinking about like a name for my audience. The
Speaker 1: people that's with me, like to be Hive or the
Speaker 1: Kins and Barbed Black, like I don't even know how
Speaker 1: you want to be that, Like that's just weird, like
Speaker 1: the kins in Barbie, Like it's some niggas that's infatuated
Speaker 1: with kids.
Speaker 2: That's just weird. That that goes to my point earlier.
Speaker 3: What's your point.
Speaker 1: That people are infatuated of watching somebody else's life and
Speaker 1: trying to get anything from them to.
Speaker 2: Apply to their life. Do you think it really is
Speaker 2: about applying to their life though?
Speaker 1: That's why that's why I watch certain people that I
Speaker 1: that I admire that grind.
Speaker 2: I watched to see who they're talking to or what
Speaker 2: they're doing, or are.
Speaker 1: They doing something different that I can apply to my
Speaker 1: grind that to take me to the next level.
Speaker 2: So I hope that's why people was doing that. That's
Speaker 2: why I do it. I don't think, I really I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't really ever watch anybody's.
Speaker 1: Like, but you know what that's true because I do
Speaker 1: get the benefit. Like right now on our way over here,
Speaker 1: I want to ask battle Cat, like what happened to that?
Speaker 1: When I wake up song with Snooping Goldie that should
Speaker 1: have been on the last meal and I just called
Speaker 1: Cat and like I'll ask, like, hey, why that didn't
Speaker 1: make the album? Listen to him tell the story, and
Speaker 1: it's it's not to to to tell a story for
Speaker 1: him to somebody else.
Speaker 2: It's just to know.
Speaker 1: I don't know the value of it. I've been talking
Speaker 1: to shout out to the homies from the La Posse.
Speaker 2: They're all all of good muff, all the good brothers, but.
Speaker 1: Like listening to their stories, like I don't know what
Speaker 1: it means.
Speaker 2: Just like when I talk.
Speaker 1: To Frigi Dre recipes from south Side and he told
Speaker 1: me the whole thing that happened with poking them. I
Speaker 1: didn't know the value of it, but I just listen
Speaker 1: to people who've had other experiences, so it seemed like
Speaker 1: better to me, Like if I would like if I
Speaker 1: would talk to the camera and just talk about experiences,
Speaker 1: Like I think I'm more of an artist that's like
Speaker 1: story timed with glasses more than like just follow me
Speaker 1: around and like me going to the interview and you
Speaker 1: listen to me talk. But I guess people are interested.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen behind the Music?
Speaker 2: No? Those those series that.
Speaker 1: I think they are MTV or something, Okay, Yeah, Essentially
Speaker 1: what they're doing is telling stories about whatever particular project or.
Speaker 2: Their journey they might have one. They might have one
Speaker 2: on the Earth, Wind and Fire or one on.
Speaker 1: Somebody my council. These nets make our own exactly. See,
Speaker 1: I just like produce content, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I guess that's but that's how you get it because
Speaker 1: you get behind the scene footage to add in the
Speaker 1: b roll and stuff that makes what you're saying it,
Speaker 1: documents it, and it makes it authentic.
Speaker 3: I think you and I have had conversations on the
Speaker 3: phone before where I wish it would have been on
Speaker 3: the podcast.
Speaker 2: It was like, damn, this was good classes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fucking voices, Tayler, this is the funny shit, right.
Speaker 1: So first off, no siilings, gl you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I got Mohammed ep we in Atlanta. Fellowshipping. Some people
Speaker 1: call it promoting. We call it fellowship because we meet
Speaker 1: other brothers and we politic and we build relationships and
Speaker 1: we just happened to have dialect over cameras. But reality is,
Speaker 1: when I came out here, I came to get closer
Speaker 1: to Atlanta to get the feel. You know, we stayed
Speaker 1: somewhere in the community, you know, I mean killer Mike
Speaker 1: dropped and shout out to Mike. Los has been great
Speaker 1: for me, Carlos Miller, Like, you know what I mean, people,
Speaker 1: I really genuinely like the guys. I feel like we
Speaker 1: are kind of like the same type of brothers. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's some some significant differences, but we are kind
Speaker 1: of the same. And I got the voice with me.
Speaker 1: She that's her name, the voice. Remember this, When you
Speaker 1: ever hear her on those ceilings, it'll be the voice
Speaker 1: and one day she may announce herself.
Speaker 3: Can I ask a question?
Speaker 2: This is for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so everybody says, if you're if you're one of
Speaker 3: the OG's, you've been around for a while, why won't
Speaker 3: you feature with a new artist right now in Atlanta?
Speaker 3: Like if I could take you door to door right now,
Speaker 3: why would you? Is it a yay or name with who?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Like? How like anybody that's popping in Atlanta?
Speaker 1: I love Rich homey Kwan. That's who I really want
Speaker 1: to mine. Like, I'm okay, so I'm talking young rich
Speaker 1: Homi Kwan is pretty.
Speaker 2: He's probably the last generation.
Speaker 3: Of guys because remember twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Ain't no rappers eighteen nineteen twenty from Atlanta right now
Speaker 1: that we know about PZ not from I thought PZ
Speaker 1: is from Detroit.
Speaker 2: Uh huh from Atlanta.
Speaker 3: He's out here now.
Speaker 1: Well originally PZ is Do you know you know PZ
Speaker 1: is on and BP. I think he's from Detroit. Tyler,
Speaker 1: you can turn it on your mic too. On No
Speaker 1: sailings the engineer talk sometimes. So if you need to,
Speaker 1: nobody gonna know, nobody gonna come find you later. But
Speaker 1: jess O, kay I asked, you said, you know what,
Speaker 1: it's not age for me right, It's like I'm Hella,
Speaker 1: I genuinely believe when people listen to Glasses Malone they
Speaker 1: want the West. Now, I don't mean that I can't
Speaker 1: feature with artists from the Midwest, the Troitch, Chicago, Cleveland,
Speaker 1: artists from the South, Houston, Atlanta, New Orleans, Florida, or
Speaker 1: the East right as any of these coast states. It's
Speaker 1: not that I don't genuinely think I can't rap with
Speaker 1: the younger. Oh, I think everybody can't rap over the
Speaker 1: shit we do.
Speaker 3: So what about new production because you just got with
Speaker 3: a Yeah.
Speaker 1: They can't rap over that because they when I came
Speaker 1: to fuck with Aay. I've been building that relationship with
Speaker 1: Zay for about a year or a year and a half.
Speaker 1: Like I've been talking to say, I mean, I knew
Speaker 1: Jay was forever, but I just never looked at it
Speaker 1: like I didn't know how to use him. So for
Speaker 1: years I would have never asked because I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: wanted to rap over trap music because I understood since
Speaker 1: probably two thousand, since twenty ten, people don't want to
Speaker 1: hear Glasses Malone be nothing else but the la crip
Speaker 1: that watched Crip that he is, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So do you believe we can break a song from
Speaker 3: the West in Atlanta. Yeah yeah, Webb Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Okay, like one of the one of the
Speaker 1: biggest songs in Atlanta in Los Angeles is Spaceships on Bankhead, Fabo.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to see spaceship some bang here kid. That's
Speaker 1: a huge song at home, right, And I hear I
Speaker 1: thought about it right today. I finally thought about it,
Speaker 1: and somebody told me who is that? Who told me
Speaker 1: Fable produced that? Somebody told me it the other day.
Speaker 1: It was like Fable produced Spaceships on Bankhead. So I like,
Speaker 1: I've been following Fabo for years, So I DM Fable a,
Speaker 1: I need me and you. I want to do a
Speaker 1: song with you. Spaceships on bank Head. Now, he's not
Speaker 1: this generation, but like I've reached out to rich Homi Kwan.
Speaker 1: I think rich Homei Kwan is kind of the last
Speaker 1: generation of successful Atlanta artists that pretty much went national
Speaker 1: Little Baby rich Homeie well Little maybe a generation before
Speaker 1: like Thug. He was out that Thug generation. So it's
Speaker 1: all twenty ten and twenty twenty. So I reached out
Speaker 1: to him. That's the person in Atlanta, I mean outside
Speaker 1: of that. You know you're talking about new like rich
Speaker 1: Homey Kuan. I think he would do well. Like I
Speaker 1: think he's a He's probably one of the most underrated
Speaker 1: geniuses from my thay. So that's the kind of person
Speaker 1: I would need. So even when I came finally the
Speaker 1: fuck was Atoven. He had something special for me. We're
Speaker 1: going to see Tump today, right, I seen Toope already,
Speaker 1: but we're going to see Tump. Tump got something special
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: You know. They're like making stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Little John right, Little John gave me fort
Speaker 1: these biggest records. Wow, right right in the middle of
Speaker 1: the Hype movie, right in the middle of the this movie.
Speaker 1: The great producers JD Like the great producers, don't They're
Speaker 1: not stuck in the regional sound. They can produce up, down,
Speaker 1: mid anything.
Speaker 3: So no, let me let me I want to touch
Speaker 3: on that. Sure, So I had producers try to produce. Okay,
Speaker 3: producers from Cali try to produce for artists out here
Speaker 3: in Atlanta. As soon as they heard it, they was like, no,
Speaker 3: it sounds like like a West Coast beat or something.
Speaker 3: They couldn't find the essence of the roots. Do you
Speaker 3: find that with well? Working with producers from Atlanta, if
Speaker 3: you're trying to get a West Coast sound, that's.
Speaker 1: A great point, right. So a programmer or a programmer
Speaker 1: and a producer is different. So like you got you
Speaker 1: might have people who program ideas. But if you go
Speaker 1: to battle Cap, battle Cap can make something that fits here,
Speaker 1: the same way Doctor Dre could make something that fits here.
Speaker 2: The sound way if you listen to DJ Quick class if.
Speaker 1: That would have been an Atlanta Persons record, that would
Speaker 1: have been the number one record in the country. Like
Speaker 1: if you put twenty one savage freestyling, like making us
Speaker 1: song overclassed by DJ Quick, it's the number one song
Speaker 1: in the country, you know what I mean. So I
Speaker 1: think it's a level of skill that you know in
Speaker 1: experience as well that needs to be applied for producers
Speaker 1: to do it. Rick Rock right for jay Z gave
Speaker 1: jay Z he produced rock Life familiar Rick Rock from
Speaker 1: Northern California, Drake J Mary J. Blige you know from
Speaker 1: New York R and B Siger Her greatest record, right,
Speaker 1: which is that song would all have made up words
Speaker 1: hileration and dancer rees.
Speaker 3: What about your biggest hit? What do you think it was?
Speaker 3: It a crossover with an artist out side of Cali
Speaker 3: or do you think it was Cali?
Speaker 2: So it depends on who you ask, like, right, my.
Speaker 1: Greatest So okay, so this is tricky, right, So as
Speaker 1: far as hit certified probably would be considered my highest
Speaker 1: charting song, and DJ Tump produced that with a con
Speaker 1: But I also understood why it worked.
Speaker 2: At that time.
Speaker 1: Tunt was like the number one guy in the game,
Speaker 1: right giving uh Tun't gives t I what you know
Speaker 1: about that? He gives Kanye West, can't tell me nothing,
Speaker 1: gez like he got all the shit. So I just
Speaker 1: happen to have one of.
Speaker 3: Those Timing is everything too.
Speaker 2: Timing is in for era, like where we're.
Speaker 3: At right now? So where are we at right now?
Speaker 3: Who's taking over?
Speaker 1: Well that's the point, right, We're in a fucking weird space.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's Atlanta.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, but it's not really any specific place, right,
Speaker 1: And so there's a couple of reasons, right well, like
Speaker 1: producer waves create the moment, right, So, which is why
Speaker 1: Atlanta's still probably holding up towards They may don't have
Speaker 1: the newest artists, but they have the producers. The role
Speaker 1: of producers.
Speaker 3: Producer, you know what I think, and let me know
Speaker 3: what y'all think. Atlanta producers like with ato A Mafia
Speaker 3: and all them, they told me they actually started branding
Speaker 3: themselves as artists. As artists do what other what other
Speaker 3: producers do you know really had that famous lifestyle with
Speaker 3: social media on the West Coast.
Speaker 2: But I don't even know if if if if.
Speaker 1: That's why, you know, I understand why the marketing a
Speaker 1: pill of it could be dope or the branding a
Speaker 1: pill of it could be dope.
Speaker 2: Right, But.
Speaker 1: Also like Future is still one of the biggest artists
Speaker 1: in the game currently Thug right before he goes to prison,
Speaker 1: you know, fighting his charges. Rather, he's one of the
Speaker 1: biggest artists in the country Gunna minus his you know,
Speaker 1: his horrible, horrible decisions to be to to to volunteer
Speaker 1: information to the police. Is one of the hardest, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest artists in game. Little baby that
Speaker 1: the music the rappers are being produced by the same guys,
Speaker 1: like Jay is still producing stuff for people that's in
Speaker 1: this movement versus battle Cat is not producing on YG's album, right,
Speaker 1: Doctor Dre is not producing on Kendrick's album.
Speaker 3: So there's no more real producers, you know, and in
Speaker 3: our time when you had someone you were working with
Speaker 3: that was your producer. So now we kind of bounce around,
Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2: Not in Atlanta? No, they came with Gucci, took came
Speaker 2: with Tip.
Speaker 3: As far as we lost our loyalty.
Speaker 1: No, okay, So something's okay. No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: so no, this is what I think for you, even
Speaker 1: go he has a producer, it's important to get his opinion.
Speaker 1: But somewhere after the two thousands, the greatest producers from
Speaker 1: the West stopped taking on new clients. Doctor Dre is
Speaker 1: the only person who took on a new client as
Speaker 1: far as established producers right in the game in two
Speaker 1: thousand and five. He didn't produce another whole album on
Speaker 1: a brand new artist after that, right, which is fair
Speaker 1: because god damn, this nigga been working forty years, Like
Speaker 1: Surgery came out and with like eighty three or early eighties,
Speaker 1: eight eighty three, eighty four, Surgery, R and B well,
Speaker 1: and then two thousand and five he does the games alum, right,
Speaker 1: So it's that the third twenty years of some twenty
Speaker 1: plus years of him producing artists Battle Catch last brand
Speaker 1: new artist that he produced consistently, not to take credit
Speaker 1: from his brother, but outside of that, he didn't really
Speaker 1: produce after the East Siders. DJ Quick didn't really produce
Speaker 1: after Sugar Free like that. So there was this great
Speaker 1: span from probably two thousand.
Speaker 2: And Quick tried with Massa Burg but I.
Speaker 1: Mean mored in the nineties, but like when Myra, because
Speaker 1: my era came and that became a problem. Like Glasses, Malone, Nipsey, Hustle,
Speaker 1: j Rod, Kendrick Lamar, Battle Cat, all of those guys
Speaker 1: we came out around them, excuse me, Glasses Malone, bish
Speaker 1: and Lemont, Mike stro Nipsey, Hustle, Jay Rod, Problem, Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 1: None of us received that production from those guys. We
Speaker 1: never they never produced our whole albums, and that kind
Speaker 1: of became when we started to struggle. It didn't work
Speaker 1: until it skipped. And then Mustard right who kind of
Speaker 1: started getting his feel from you know, everything that was
Speaker 1: going on with Hayphi and Thiz and they made their
Speaker 1: own movement.
Speaker 2: And then you get yg.
Speaker 1: And Mustard and ty Dolla Sign who also is an
Speaker 1: underrated producer. So I think before the last ten years,
Speaker 1: I already realized that. And I've been trying to develop
Speaker 1: an artist because I don't feel like you're a super
Speaker 1: producer unless you break an artist and introduce something new
Speaker 1: into the game.
Speaker 2: And well, you know the history, bro.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to do complete projects or producer and
Speaker 1: artists for the past ten years, but they just haven't
Speaker 1: worked out or come out or even pursued at the
Speaker 1: highest It's a tough it's a tough out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but that's why I said, I do give you
Speaker 1: credit and different producers from around the way credit that's trying.
Speaker 1: It's not a lot, but I'm saying right now, like
Speaker 1: right getting him with Doctor Dre, like he's different because
Speaker 1: he kind of is really good. But I'm sure there's
Speaker 1: a benefit to if Doctor Dre, Hey, man, let me
Speaker 1: help you with this. I mean, he been in the
Speaker 1: game long, but I'm sure you're not gonna let me
Speaker 1: Nigga Drake that he helping me, Like, I don't think
Speaker 1: that's his response. Battle Cap when I came to him
Speaker 1: with fed up and I'm like, man, I got an
Speaker 1: idea for battle Cap to do something here, and he
Speaker 1: was like, all right, let's do it. So it's like
Speaker 1: getting him together, watching him work on mixing an idea
Speaker 1: or producing an idea, finishing the mixing. Is it's imperative
Speaker 1: that we get the information that these dudes who've been
Speaker 1: doing it at the highest levels and having success at
Speaker 1: the highest levels pass on to everybody, even working with
Speaker 1: somebody like EP, who they all know because they know
Speaker 1: he could play and he could produce. You know, it's
Speaker 1: it's crazy that you know. There's not it's not more
Speaker 1: tracks Battlecademy pick that you know. And the reality is
Speaker 1: sometimes it is up to like an executive mind to
Speaker 1: push people into the room with each other, so like, because.
Speaker 3: That's where we're always thinking of collaborations.
Speaker 1: Well, black music is all about the power of us too.
Speaker 1: Like hip hop is about representing us. Black music is
Speaker 1: about the power of us. All black groups re memory
Speaker 1: people be sleeping Teddy Pintigrads came from a group, Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson came from a group. A lot of times that's
Speaker 1: not built on it's not built out of them knowing
Speaker 1: the potential. It has to be reality and for them
Speaker 1: to actually get in a room with douce life, So
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta create something successful before they'll be
Speaker 1: like because I reach out to everybody, so I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm everybody, but getting them in a room and actually
Speaker 1: doing something it Unfortunately, it takes a lot of the
Speaker 1: time you creating something successful as we're doing now before
Speaker 1: they will actually put them behind the thought yeah and
Speaker 1: get in a room to actually produce something.
Speaker 3: How would you feel at this point the album is
Speaker 3: doing right now, considering all considering the media run stuff we've.
Speaker 1: Done, I think it's doing great. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: better than I thought it was gonna be. I thought
Speaker 1: it was gonna be harder. I mean, really, it's harder
Speaker 1: for me because I don't.
Speaker 2: Really trust people taste. People just got bad taste.
Speaker 1: I had this whole conversation yesterday right, and I posted
Speaker 1: on Facebook and Instagram where I said, look, black music
Speaker 1: is judged differently. We don't judge black music by complete success,
Speaker 1: like I can see if it's an album that nobody likes.
Speaker 1: But I was having this conversation in nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 1: what's the better album? Right and make it last for everybody?
Speaker 1: Keith Sweat or Bad by Michael Jackson. I expect nobody
Speaker 1: black to say Bad by Michael Jackson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1: And it was entirely too many people saying bad by
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson.
Speaker 3: It's two different genres, though.
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck what genre.
Speaker 1: Is unless you believe that Keith Sweat is just better
Speaker 1: that make it last for ever. It's just better. It's
Speaker 1: just better. That's fine, brand new, it's just better.
Speaker 2: I do agree, and Michael.
Speaker 1: That's not to say Keith Sweat obviously is anywhere in
Speaker 1: the same arena as Michael Jackson, as Michael Jackson as
Speaker 1: an artist, because Michael Jackson is not really bad as
Speaker 1: much as he streller off the wall in Jackson five
Speaker 1: in all kind of success. But again, when you when
Speaker 1: you ask black people this and they don't have enough
Speaker 1: blackness to know the difference, they can't go listen to
Speaker 1: make it last for ever and think to themselves like
Speaker 1: this is different, and they're like, well, this is Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: Like people was talking about, you know, Dirty Diana. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 1: don't nobody fucking play Dirty Diana. That's not to say
Speaker 1: Dirty Diana is not a fantastic song, like it's a
Speaker 1: it's a great.
Speaker 2: Which one of the projects can you live without?
Speaker 1: And that's crazy bad as corny Yeah, the single is corny.
Speaker 2: Do you ever go to Bad to listen to it?
Speaker 1: No, doude, doude, dude, dude, yo, bud, it's mine. I
Speaker 1: remember they was asking Prince about this, Princeville, like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck I was supposed to do? Be a duet
Speaker 1: with both there? But and and that becomes my concern
Speaker 1: right where It's like, so back to my record. It's
Speaker 1: like I didn't know what to think because I knew
Speaker 1: when we finished it and put it together, when Counsel
Speaker 1: These Nuts was finished, I knew it was special. I
Speaker 1: knew I plugged it all the way in. I know
Speaker 1: EP pretty much gave everything that we needed. I knew
Speaker 1: I plugged every SoC at the end to make the
Speaker 1: whole house light up. Every song was plugged in. So
Speaker 1: it's a well lit project. But do I do I
Speaker 1: trust people who think Bad is a better album than
Speaker 1: Make It Last Forever to think that it's good.
Speaker 2: Fuck. No, we're in a different er era too, though.
Speaker 1: We don't have that much variety now, so we don't
Speaker 1: we're waiting on something great?
Speaker 3: Are we waiting though? Or or is the media curving?
Speaker 3: What do you cause?
Speaker 1: I think it's a lack of good content. That's how
Speaker 1: I agree. So that's what I mean waiting. So when
Speaker 1: something comes out that's refreshing, it's like man refreshing though,
Speaker 1: I think so I think, say, for instance, you remember Tiki.
Speaker 2: Punch, right the old she's not from she don't know about? Okay,
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a drink that was Yes, it's a
Speaker 1: soda that we love. It's like a version version of
Speaker 1: Hawaiian Punch Hawaii, that novelty item, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't mean we won't buy it. We just
Speaker 1: can't find it because they stopped making it. So if
Speaker 1: the supply, if the demand is supplied, then we'll appreciate it.
Speaker 3: So what do you think You think that we're coming
Speaker 3: back with good music because I feel like person is
Speaker 3: sounding better.
Speaker 1: You see us going back to veteran artists right now.
Speaker 1: That is weird, you know what I mean, because that's
Speaker 1: where the quality is.
Speaker 3: But is that the West?
Speaker 1: No scarface is being talked about right now because of that?
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, when you see the real it's just unbeatable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you see something great, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's the reality show. I did have questions that like
Speaker 1: when you see, like if you saw something, would you
Speaker 1: know is great? But watching people talk about scarface like
Speaker 1: they didn't know this, Nigga was like like I keep
Speaker 1: having this conversation like if you just notice this now,
Speaker 1: like what I guess you know, I can't say nothing,
Speaker 1: like whatever you finally catch on, It's fine with me, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So that goes back to the followers concepts.
Speaker 1: And but look with the media in his prime, Look
Speaker 1: how many options we had to enjoy music. It's a
Speaker 1: plethora of different We had EPMD, we had everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now we just every the radio is one long song.
Speaker 3: But that's why some songs get broken eight years later.
Speaker 3: It just depends on how we got broken, the time,
Speaker 3: the time, what area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think the artists are bad now,
Speaker 1: I think the producers.
Speaker 2: Are bad now.
Speaker 3: I agree, And I.
Speaker 2: Think great producers produce artists.
Speaker 1: So to ask artists to be great without being produced
Speaker 1: is as asking an actor to be great without being directed.
Speaker 1: And the artists got to be trusting to go somewhere
Speaker 1: that they that's not even in their data bank. Well,
Speaker 1: trusting a producer to give them something that's left of
Speaker 1: what they're accustomed to. Well, the best part was before today, right,
Speaker 1: you didn't have a choice because you for sure wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna have your own settu because you ain't not to
Speaker 1: work nothing, So you needed the producer. And as it
Speaker 1: became more accessible to everybody, you know, hence the dilemma
Speaker 1: of where it's like now, artists felt like they know
Speaker 1: something because they felt like I threw my hat in
Speaker 1: because I downloaded this beat off YouTube and.
Speaker 2: I recorded it myself.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the artists are turning into producers
Speaker 1: because they don't have enough money to true you know,
Speaker 1: because engineering is a part of production too. Like me
Speaker 1: know that, but we got the kind of relationship where
Speaker 1: we know what time it is like and like I said,
Speaker 1: I've said this a million times, but it's really important.
Speaker 1: Like I'm grateful that he trusts me and be like,
Speaker 1: do your thing because there's certain things like I fucked up.
Speaker 1: We can go back. He's like, yeah, we gotta go back,
Speaker 1: but there's certain things he kept me.
Speaker 2: Like I like that that works.
Speaker 3: So I feel like you got to go back to
Speaker 3: quality as well, because even when there was producers producing artists,
Speaker 3: there were still mixing and mastering engineers that were a
Speaker 3: part of the project that made sure that it got
Speaker 3: it was finessed to the point where okay, quality is
Speaker 3: now here a right. And there was teams, there was
Speaker 3: teams of writers, there was teams of It still happens
Speaker 3: today with those with budgets. I think people need to
Speaker 3: realize that that that element is so important in making
Speaker 3: a full project, because that's what you did with yours.
Speaker 3: You didn't just have you had EP. He did produce
Speaker 3: the whole album, but you had other producers or mixing that.
Speaker 1: Is part of the production. That's all part of the production.
Speaker 1: But again it's a team effort. Like it's not a
Speaker 1: team effort on all for us, but it's a team
Speaker 1: effort making the record. Jason Joshua was somebody we didn't
Speaker 1: talk about, but Jason josh was like, a that's like
Speaker 1: having Kevin Durant of mixing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a nigga tough and.
Speaker 1: He mixed probably four or five cuts and gave us
Speaker 1: a lot of direction and e a Ski somebody who's
Speaker 1: been around the business for a while and didn't have
Speaker 1: less lets, didn't have to even figure it out himself,
Speaker 1: like less it's stuck shout out to lesser mentos and
Speaker 1: he mixed majority of the album, probably like six or
Speaker 1: seven songs. But in a nice hour, yeah, in the
Speaker 1: knife hour. That's another thing at the at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the knife and but he had a good guideline,
Speaker 1: he knew what to compare it to and you can
Speaker 1: see people shine. But in some of those songs, Man,
Speaker 1: like something somebody said to me the other day too,
Speaker 1: because it's like it's one guy making a song. Now
Speaker 1: he's in a room, he downloaded the beat off YouTube.
Speaker 1: He's in a room, he record itself. And that's the
Speaker 1: whole thing, right, James Brown, it's thirteen niggas on the song. Man,
Speaker 1: it's thirteen niggas. Is everybody playing instruments. It's the engineer,
Speaker 1: it's the nigga helping produce the idea. It's his homeboy.
Speaker 1: That's his nigga that he listened to. It's James. It's
Speaker 1: thirteen people. Go look at them death Row Records. It's
Speaker 1: about twenty people in the crack.
Speaker 3: It was a real team working.
Speaker 2: So that is another thing too.
Speaker 1: A lot of the artists today are left too because
Speaker 1: it ain't just they want to know. Again, you're talking
Speaker 1: about a poor sport, so you ain't gotta you can't
Speaker 1: pay everybody, but I mean, listen. I don't like using
Speaker 1: the term quality right because I think it is a
Speaker 1: real term. But I don't think most people know what
Speaker 1: we talking about when we start talking about frequencies, and
Speaker 1: feels like it's different, like it's much more to it.
Speaker 1: But you do need some help, So like if a
Speaker 1: rapper listens to no ceilings, you do need some help.
Speaker 1: And you may have to find other poor people like
Speaker 1: you to help you. I mean other poor people who
Speaker 1: may play the piano, other poor people who may play
Speaker 1: build your team production. Just find other poor people that
Speaker 1: want to come up like you. Like me and ep
Speaker 1: happened to be near in the same place in the
Speaker 1: business where we've had some success. We know what it's like.
Speaker 1: So then you combine power. La Gihns have had some
Speaker 1: stuff and Jason is yo, he's epe in one, actually
Speaker 1: epte in fucking one. I got one plaque, he pee
Speaker 1: got a few and some grammy shit. So you just
Speaker 1: gotta work with the You gotta keep trying. That's another thing.
Speaker 1: You can't stop, bro. You have to keep trying, Like
Speaker 1: this shit is tiresome. This shit is tiresome, like being
Speaker 1: out here, especially now, Like when I was twenty four,
Speaker 1: this shit was a walking apart. Yeah, being forty four,
Speaker 1: Like people talking about ageism and hip hopping. It ain't
Speaker 1: about am I not as good or somebody seventeen? You
Speaker 1: play my shit for somebody sixteen seventeen in that nigga hard.
Speaker 1: But the problem with getting forty four also is your
Speaker 1: ass be tired. Yeah, I don't be fucking fucking with
Speaker 1: these crazy ass niggas all the time. I got better
Speaker 1: things that I'd rather be fishing.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go because I'm gonna go because really, the
Speaker 1: last fucking twelve years, like I've been preparing.
Speaker 3: So you expected it already or you have a high
Speaker 3: level of expectations knowing that you have to move. This
Speaker 3: is this is it, because everybody else is moving, they're
Speaker 3: hitting all these platforms. If you're going to compete in
Speaker 3: any type of level, on any type of level, this
Speaker 3: is what it takes. This is what it takes.
Speaker 1: So you can get lucky, Like you know, you don't
Speaker 1: have to work hard to make money, You don't have
Speaker 1: to put in work to make money.
Speaker 2: You can actually hit lot.
Speaker 1: Of true, your chances, Rick, You're like your chances, But
Speaker 1: this is the this is the way. So what I realized,
Speaker 1: right is like like when you first come in to
Speaker 1: hip hop, it's a dark room.
Speaker 2: You can't see nothing.
Speaker 1: You just throwing shit at the wall hoping it stick.
Speaker 1: You have no idea, and usually you meet other people
Speaker 1: you know who know something.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like if you Snoop Dogg, you come in the room,
Speaker 1: you don't know shit, You just making songs in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty nine and eighty eight, you on those shit, you
Speaker 1: just rapping, and then.
Speaker 2: Doctor Dre scoops you up. Right, Warren hooks you.
Speaker 1: Up with doctor Dre, and then you now Dre who
Speaker 1: knows the room. It's like, Okay, this is what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. DC, who knows the space, Like, this is
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do. So it goes from this empty
Speaker 1: dark room where you just wandering around, to this when
Speaker 1: you know what's going on, to this illuminated walkway.
Speaker 3: You never know what's gonna come, so you.
Speaker 1: Only can see the right path. You could no longer
Speaker 1: see the wrong way. Only one path is lit.
Speaker 2: No, the path is okay.
Speaker 1: So like that's what it is for me, It's like
Speaker 1: the only thing that stops is you tired of walking.
Speaker 2: But you know this is the right way. This is
Speaker 2: the only way to go.
Speaker 1: So like even now what I'm doing right, We started
Speaker 1: off on the East coast, went to the Bay. Now
Speaker 1: we're in Atlanta, We're in England and France next month,
Speaker 1: Japan in February, Texas in March. This is the right
Speaker 1: way to walk. You don't even know where the end
Speaker 1: is at. You just know if you keep walking this
Speaker 1: way because because along the way, more opportunities are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, this is where all the opportunity is is.
Speaker 1: But you don't know what the end looks like. Because
Speaker 1: the end may not be a million dollars. The end
Speaker 1: may not be a planning record, the end may not
Speaker 1: be nothing. You just keep walking and everything else just
Speaker 1: starts to happen until you along the way.
Speaker 3: It might be the beginning of something as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but none of none of this happens, and this
Speaker 1: part is not spoken on enough. None of this this
Speaker 1: happens unless you are willing to invest in yourself. Most
Speaker 1: people are just sitting on the side, waiting on somebody.
Speaker 3: Behind some social media, on somebody. Because I'm talented.
Speaker 2: Because I'm dope.
Speaker 1: Nowadays everybody's dope, because the threshold for dope has been
Speaker 1: lowered so so much that now everybody's dope. Now, are
Speaker 1: you even bold enough to go off the beaded path
Speaker 1: and be yourself and create something and bring some authenticity
Speaker 1: into the to the game, to the fall, to even
Speaker 1: to even stand out, to give yourself have a chance.
Speaker 1: Most people just follow what's already out and they die
Speaker 1: with that sound because they didn't create nothing of their own.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like glasses? This is a this is
Speaker 3: a question specifically for you. Do you feel like this
Speaker 3: project is the best not that you've done, but the
Speaker 3: best presentation of today for you? That's the message.
Speaker 1: But so it's the most glasses record I've ever made house.
Speaker 1: So it's really the polarizing version of who I am
Speaker 1: create like as a human being creatively, And most of
Speaker 1: my music doesn't always pretty much none of my music
Speaker 1: until probably twenty nineteen, maybe a couple songs before, represented that.
Speaker 1: But what makes me a special human is for some
Speaker 1: reason I just carry this weird polarity, this weird kind
Speaker 1: of space of conversation to where it's like my thoughts
Speaker 1: literally trigger people.
Speaker 3: So this is your most authentic version of you in
Speaker 3: this time, because it might not have been how you
Speaker 3: felt ten years ago.
Speaker 2: No, this was me the whole time.
Speaker 1: So it's always been but I never watered it down.
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't know how to deliver it through music either.
Speaker 3: So you had to have evolved into this and then
Speaker 3: delivered the project.
Speaker 1: Informed into this, because I don't even know if it's
Speaker 1: an evolution to stay alive as much as as you
Speaker 1: take in knowledge of how to accomplish things and records
Speaker 1: how to Like my innate thing was able to I
Speaker 1: could put together a project before, Like I was already
Speaker 1: decent that kind of telling a story. I just didn't
Speaker 1: know how to do it with the tools sonically, but
Speaker 1: I could tell a story from beginning to end, you know,
Speaker 1: So it was different. But this, to me is the
Speaker 1: most glasses project because it really carries every bit.
Speaker 2: Of the polarity that I am as well.
Speaker 1: So I'll leave it to other people, more people than
Speaker 1: not saying this my best project.
Speaker 3: And you think that it has everything to do with
Speaker 3: the fact that you had one producer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that's.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, I don't know that's that that's like a
Speaker 1: that's like using the backboard with basketball. Your chances increase
Speaker 1: significantly to make the shot if you have one person producing,
Speaker 1: one person overseeing the sound.
Speaker 2: Because producing is not.
Speaker 1: Like moving like this. The EP actually made all of
Speaker 1: these beats. EP most likely is gonna be producing most
Speaker 1: of my stuff moving forward, even if he doesn't make
Speaker 1: every beat. Now that's not to say he's gonna make
Speaker 1: every beat, right, he's gonna he's gonna to doctor dre
Speaker 1: a lot of shit. Somebody might give him idea he
Speaker 1: gotta play this, missing, this, this, this, this, at this,
Speaker 1: at this right. So he'll probably be my producer moving forward.
Speaker 1: But that don't mean he's stuck making every beat, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's just like and when I'm
Speaker 1: saying that, that don't mean he's not gonna have to
Speaker 1: work on it. I'm just saying he might not have
Speaker 1: to sit there like this different he had to go
Speaker 1: drums to motherfucking hiats, you know, lowest frequency to top frequency.
Speaker 1: He might get to for here. Man just work on
Speaker 1: his atoven, play on his age and what's missing, and
Speaker 1: he'll playing this EP produced with Atven. To me, that's
Speaker 1: the most important thing to getting EP with a lot
Speaker 1: more people, so people could really see how good he is,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? That's important, like getting him
Speaker 1: with Tom and I want him to.
Speaker 2: Work with it. I want people to work with EP
Speaker 2: like people work with Scott Storch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you do have that about you where you want.
Speaker 2: People because if I think.
Speaker 3: With each other get together.
Speaker 2: I want other people to see how great he is.
Speaker 2: That's that. Don't have nothing to do with me.
Speaker 3: This nigga great, but you feel he makes you great
Speaker 3: as well though.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but it's all a rids to accomplishments. Just
Speaker 1: like as we get into another space and let's say
Speaker 1: we go do something with Dre, it's gonna make us
Speaker 1: rids to a different look. We do something with Cat
Speaker 1: that's gonna make us rise to a difference. What I
Speaker 1: hope is eventually Cat or Quick call him like man,
Speaker 1: it's do something with glasses and they want to do
Speaker 1: it together. Like my goal is to put EP into
Speaker 1: the proper perspective. That's my I want to assist him
Speaker 1: doing that. I want to assist him doing that. I
Speaker 1: want to make sure that he actually goes exactly where
Speaker 1: he needs to go.
Speaker 3: Much I think that's where we're missing that too, as
Speaker 3: far as artists artists that they're so focused on themselves.
Speaker 3: I want to be the king, I want to be
Speaker 3: the queen, so focus on me. But this this situation
Speaker 3: that you have, you have the power of collaboration in
Speaker 3: your mind, so you're naturally gonna bring You've done that
Speaker 3: to me too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But that's the point, Like, what difference if I
Speaker 1: make all these connections, right, these people, some of these
Speaker 1: people you don't know, right, you got you have a
Speaker 1: huge rolodex, right, the voice has a huge roller dex
Speaker 1: of motherfuckers. But if some motherfuckers you don't got. But
Speaker 1: if I give you these motherfuckers the next motherfucker, you
Speaker 1: better run this shit up.
Speaker 3: Because ultimately it helps the team grow because then I
Speaker 3: add some new opportunities outside of what we're doing.
Speaker 1: And some of the people are still ascending, right we
Speaker 1: are all No, No, what I'm saying that some of
Speaker 1: the people you might meet somebody here that's opening the door,
Speaker 1: and he remembered the voice in the next three years exactly.
Speaker 1: So No, it's that also goes to the person also
Speaker 1: that immediately I connected with as a child, my favorite player,
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson. Right, the past is as important as the score.
Speaker 1: The flair is in the past. See, if you grew
Speaker 1: up in the nineties, you're a selfish dick because you
Speaker 1: think Michael Jordan's and shit, you just want to score
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, toot your own fucking horn. But
Speaker 1: if you grew up in the eighties watching Magic Johnson,
Speaker 1: the past is the flair and the victory is in
Speaker 1: the past. I don't care if James Worthy dunkey, the
Speaker 1: past is the flair. I feel as accomplished as EP
Speaker 1: when he gets the next ship. Niggas like I need
Speaker 1: the ep YEP.
Speaker 3: So is it the past or is it the end goal?
Speaker 1: It's the game, Like if I looked at the I
Speaker 1: don't even know what the finish looks.
Speaker 3: Like that end goal that win. Though winning keep passing
Speaker 3: and we keep.
Speaker 1: Missing, we're not missing. And the thing is it's about
Speaker 1: building the team. And I understand that. So I'm not
Speaker 1: taking it as Okay, I deserve this, or let me
Speaker 1: take this and run with it somewhere else. It's like
Speaker 1: he knows, I pour it right back into the same
Speaker 1: place where.
Speaker 2: I got it from.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just playing Devil's Advocate, of.
Speaker 1: Course, So it's really take the voice for instance, it's
Speaker 1: really you do a lot of things that that you
Speaker 1: don't have to do or that you're not commissioned to
Speaker 1: do for the greater cause of the team winning.
Speaker 2: Because you understand that we all win if we all
Speaker 2: have the same mind state.
Speaker 1: And what do this winning look like? Okay, we should
Speaker 1: set winning right now?
Speaker 2: What's winning? What's a win for this project?
Speaker 1: A win for this project for me would be too
Speaker 1: for it to be notable, for it to be an
Speaker 1: avenue to open other doors and and take some of
Speaker 1: the burden that we put into this off of us
Speaker 1: and allow some more people opportunity because we we sacrifice
Speaker 1: in the beginning, so find partners and fine, so so
Speaker 1: to attract the partners that we need to take off
Speaker 1: the burden to keep doing the work.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, fair, Yeah, what's a win? What's the win
Speaker 2: for cancer? These nets, for the voices participation, what's a win?
Speaker 1: You're like, that's a win. That's a winlasses started. Sustainability,
Speaker 1: so the ability to do it again so much more
Speaker 1: than that it needs to be a classic.
Speaker 3: At point. Okay, sustainability meaning in ten years, I want
Speaker 3: to be able to say yeah, I do pull out
Speaker 3: the album and stream it. You know, Yeah, I do
Speaker 3: talk about that in conversation with people, whatever song I choose,
Speaker 3: because you have so many and I'm basing that particular
Speaker 3: topic on a panel, you know, and opening up perspectives.
Speaker 3: So now your legacy lives on because you were bold
Speaker 3: enough to be authentic. A lot of rappers won't come out,
Speaker 3: not even just rappers, a lot of men and black
Speaker 3: men because y'all have it hard as it is, will
Speaker 3: not come out and speak about these topics for fear
Speaker 3: of being canceled. So we won't name some names because
Speaker 3: that's going on today.
Speaker 2: You can all the names, but certain people.
Speaker 3: Just aren't talking to the point where they're in tears.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's true. That don't even look crazy no more.
Speaker 3: But it's it's true though, And I just I want
Speaker 3: this album to be a spark because you already have
Speaker 3: success in whatever perspective you want to look at it at.
Speaker 3: But sustainability, how long can we continue talking about you?
Speaker 3: Can you be a scarface at this point in ten years?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Starting with this album?
Speaker 2: This could be a win.
Speaker 1: So when it takes time for you to figure out
Speaker 1: a win too, I could dig it. It's much more
Speaker 1: than just it's great that you even pause to even
Speaker 1: define what a win looks like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I have not too many people do that.
Speaker 2: We just go and go and go.
Speaker 3: I think that's the key to success. I don't even
Speaker 3: like saying the word success because I think progress is
Speaker 3: more potent than the word success because when you think success,
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, so we reach, well what is success?
Speaker 3: We reached what goal? Because isn't that progress? Because if
Speaker 3: you say we're successful now, that means that there's no
Speaker 3: longer any future goals. So I think progress leads to sustainability.
Speaker 3: Just like you said the other day, we're not worried
Speaker 3: about what we're just gonna go. We're just gonna do it.
Speaker 3: Just focus on being better, that's what it is. And
Speaker 3: then all of us if we have that same mentality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when the majority of people that are on this
Speaker 1: quest of releasing music, that's the goal for them, just
Speaker 1: to release it.
Speaker 2: They have no idea what to do next.
Speaker 1: That's why I was telling g just walking up here,
Speaker 1: people don't have a connection outside of their neighborhood. So
Speaker 1: what we're doing even being here is huge. Being in
Speaker 1: New York is huge, and having relationships imagine if somebody
Speaker 1: just said, Okay, I'm finna go and do I'm gonna promote,
Speaker 1: I see what y'are doing. I'm gonna land in New York.
Speaker 1: What do you do next? You don't know nobody. That's true,
Speaker 1: and so this is a role that probably only we
Speaker 1: could take independently at this point. For me, successes every day,
Speaker 1: every day. That's really I have to kind of micro
Speaker 1: manage what's going on. So like success was getting right
Speaker 1: here right now by twelve right, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm twelve o three, I'll take that. That's okay, that's
Speaker 1: not the game I wanted. I wanted eleven fifty seven,
Speaker 1: but I'll take twelve oh three, right, Okay. Making it
Speaker 1: to the next thing at two, exceeding at once we
Speaker 1: get to the progress report, exceeding having a conversation that
Speaker 1: makes the interviewer say, dam I never thought.
Speaker 3: About it like that first impression, right.
Speaker 1: And not even just first, but then really presenting a
Speaker 1: conversation that.
Speaker 2: Gives people perspective.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, after that, Okay, let's go get them lamb
Speaker 1: chops amazing, lamb chops.
Speaker 3: Goodness. But that's true because if you don't get up
Speaker 3: and get out and go to a pot cast or
Speaker 3: an interview or a radio station, doesn't matter where, and
Speaker 3: speak your mind. Then you're only leaving the audience with
Speaker 3: just those words on your songs. That's it. But once
Speaker 3: they tune into your interviews, they can go, this guy
Speaker 3: is intelligent. He's a hip hop you know, scholar. You know.
Speaker 3: I feel like scholar, you know.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing that I'm learning on these
Speaker 1: on these on these runs which I didn't know before,
Speaker 1: like and he like, I'm learning so much so I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm in school right, so learning when we
Speaker 1: go do these interviews in these podcasts that it's not
Speaker 1: about setting the product. It's about the selling you and
Speaker 1: having a conversation and then some some yeah, but some
Speaker 1: conversations never leave really back to the project. We will
Speaker 1: mention it, but it's more about Man, I didn't even
Speaker 1: know you was that deep. You offer a different respective,
Speaker 1: but the clip that comes out later on allows you
Speaker 1: to be like, man, I like this dude. Now let
Speaker 1: me listen to his pros or.
Speaker 2: I don't like him, or I don't Yeah.
Speaker 1: We did like one with horrible decisions, and the brand
Speaker 1: of that show is more or less girls who kind
Speaker 1: of want to be free and don't be judged for
Speaker 1: being free. And then somebody steps on and say, you
Speaker 1: need to put some boundaries on yourself. You need to
Speaker 1: do something if your goal is to obtain this finish.
Speaker 3: That's the control of the media. See, I have to
Speaker 3: do that as a publicist. So don't say that, don't
Speaker 3: do this. The media will control it, the labels will
Speaker 3: control it. But you have full control. So with this
Speaker 3: full control, you can speak and say what you want.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you don't get the backlash, sure, but that's it
Speaker 3: does open up conversation. And that's what's key is people
Speaker 3: continuing to talk about you.
Speaker 1: As a gangster rapper. Your job is to be the
Speaker 1: greatest villain.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 2: But as a man, you gotta do it in truth.
Speaker 2: I like that. And you got to document the time
Speaker 2: that you're in like you you like. They were mad.
Speaker 1: They was like glass, I can't believe he said hold
Speaker 1: it till we're married. In twenty twenty three, Nigga, that
Speaker 1: made me hitler.
Speaker 2: They like, I'm I'm Hitler, walked out the show.
Speaker 1: I'm Hitler of the pussy. I'm like, hold that thing
Speaker 1: until you get married. How dare you say, how dare
Speaker 1: you tell us to save ourselves from somebody? How dare
Speaker 1: you speak such a wet glasses. We have needs, we need,
Speaker 1: we need to actually fulfill our needs, but we still
Speaker 1: want everybody to accept us and respect us. And I'll
Speaker 1: just be right there looking like the villain himself. I'll
Speaker 1: be just looking like Hitler up there at the podium,
Speaker 1: and they just be like.
Speaker 3: Shout out to West Coast cam he we had he
Speaker 3: y'all go through that to where people are like, did
Speaker 3: he just say that? But you're you're bold enough to
Speaker 3: know what your purpose on this.
Speaker 1: Earth is, and it's not always favorable. It's usually not
Speaker 1: it's not always favorable, you know. I mean it's it's
Speaker 1: like it's like Jesus chasing the money changers out the temple,
Speaker 1: not the Jesus that everybody liked. They got to that
Speaker 1: that will never get the.
Speaker 2: Fuck out of here. That's where is he?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's me all the time. That's the version
Speaker 1: of Jesus.
Speaker 3: That I didn't want to see that version more.
Speaker 1: The Martin Luther King I am is is I've.
Speaker 2: Been to the mountaintop. I'm not. I had a dream.
Speaker 2: Martin I've been to the mountaintop Martin.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm not who rebelled though, because he rebelled too.
Speaker 2: That's why I've been to the mountaintop.
Speaker 1: If you listen to that speech, ironically in Atlanta, right
Speaker 1: his hometown, and this speech was in Memphis.
Speaker 2: Before he got shot. This what got him shot?
Speaker 3: M hmm.
Speaker 1: Can't just be telling people ship so you know, I
Speaker 1: expect the women to come together and try to pack
Speaker 1: me out.
Speaker 3: So what's the limit? Is there a limit? Because can
Speaker 3: you can you be that villain without saying kill kill kill?
Speaker 3: And taboo topics? I like the idea of taboo topics
Speaker 3: because it makes you think.
Speaker 1: This is the thing, this is the thing. And this
Speaker 1: was just two days ago. I got back in the
Speaker 1: car with a glass. I said, bro, who are you
Speaker 1: because it was it wasn't your taboo topics, it was sports.
Speaker 1: Oh and it and the analogies that he had and
Speaker 1: he's well versed. And I'm not just saying that because
Speaker 1: he's my partner, but like, I was really taken back
Speaker 1: just sitting there, like he really controlled this room and
Speaker 1: gave them some perspectives that.
Speaker 2: They had no idea that was coming. And again polarizing, So.
Speaker 3: You got you gotta talk, but answer the question and
Speaker 3: your perspective.
Speaker 1: The weird part is people think that I'm doing this
Speaker 1: would intend to be polarizing. It's really what I think,
Speaker 1: and that's the problem. Like ask somebody like EP was
Speaker 1: just chilling with me. That's just in the car, We'll
Speaker 1: be talking about some shit and that's just how it
Speaker 1: come out. But I think it's different because I'm talking
Speaker 1: to him consistently, so it's well explained, like he not
Speaker 1: were having a greater conversation most of the time. People
Speaker 1: introduce me the ideas all the time, and I listened
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 3: Okay, But back to the villain. How is there a limit?
Speaker 2: No no limit? Hitler levels as oh Jesus levels.
Speaker 3: The state that.
Speaker 2: Jesus levels and villain Jesus levels of villainy. Hang you,
Speaker 2: hang you in front of the whole town.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Hitler is too lay easy because he did something that
Speaker 1: people can desire and feel is worthy of whatever happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, he did some gradu shit Jesus levels of villainy,
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King levels of villainy where you like, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Muhammad Ali levels of villainy. I
Speaker 1: mean where you just like out of control with this
Speaker 1: villain ship.
Speaker 2: They like, how dare him think he gonna come to
Speaker 2: this slut walk and.
Speaker 1: Talk to us that way? I should be at the
Speaker 1: slept walk with my movement rapping. Kanye should have never
Speaker 1: married that bitch.
Speaker 3: At what point does it get okay? Where does it
Speaker 3: get to the point where you question if what you're
Speaker 3: doing is exactly what you're supposed to be doing. And
Speaker 3: if it is okay, so be it. But at what
Speaker 3: point do you say, because if you want to talk
Speaker 3: about the Jesus story, then even Jesus said you sure,
Speaker 3: this is the way that this is the way it
Speaker 3: has to end. Because if it is okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go out there and write about me.
Speaker 2: I'm not as great as Jesus.
Speaker 3: But just the story of the concept, well yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna always come up short of Jesus. That just you know,
Speaker 1: you just gotta walk your purpose. If I wasn't tasked
Speaker 1: for it, they'd be different. This is I'm not trying
Speaker 1: as he I'm not trying. I'm not prepared. I'm not trying.
Speaker 1: I read all the time at home, I watch sports.
Speaker 1: It's just what I think, and I've done it enough
Speaker 1: to understand that this is what I should be saying.
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying, like I swear to God on
Speaker 1: the live, I'm not looking for things that people to
Speaker 1: be outread. I just kind of noticed things and I'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh damn, that's crazy, Like like Key Sweart,
Speaker 1: mak it last forever.
Speaker 2: It's better than bad.
Speaker 1: Good looking out For tuning into The note Seller's podcast,
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Speaker 1: This episode was recorded right here on the West coast
Speaker 1: of the USA and produced by my homeboy A King
Speaker 1: for the Black Effect Podcast Network and now Heard Radio
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